Aishwarya Rai is of the Bunt / Shetty caste of Karnataka and she belongs to the caste of V.T. Rajashekar the editor of Dalit Voice who is the greatest intellectual of India after Babasaheb. Dalit Voice is a magazine that inspired us to start Dalit Nation. The editor has worked with the great V.T. Rajashekar earlier and we have been inspired by him. Apart from Babasaheb and Kancha Ilaiah, VTR is our greatest inspiration. We have had several talks with VTR when he visited Oxford University in England. We have also had lengthy and stimulating discussions with VTR at his residence at palace lower orchards in Bangalore.
Bunts are a backward caste and VTR has written about it. Bunts are shudras. The oppressed people who have come from the feet of God. Aishwaraya proved to the world that she is the smartest and beautiful when she won the Miss World title. Brahmins the most cruel race in the world could never digest it. When Aishwarya Rai joined movies the brahmin and Bania toilet papers like Times of India, Hindu and Indian Express were seething with jealousy. They made claims that she does not know any acting. They always sided with their jatwallah actress like the maharistrian brahmins Madhuri Dixit and Sonali Bendre.
The wily upper caste people in Bollywood tried to set up Aishwarya Rai with the upper caste wallahs. But our Shudra sister Aishwarya never relented. It was during this time when she was harassed by these papans that Salman Khan rescued her. Salman Khan being a muslim wanted to get married to Aishwarya Rai and save her from the oppressive Hindu caste system. A system which has crushed and oppressed our men and especially women. But the upper caste wallahs started spreading all kinds of rumors about Salman Khan. They called him a cocaine addict. These brahmins can go to any length. They will tell what suits their need. Finally they implicated Salman Khan in a fake accident case. They split these two people so that Aishwarya can stay in the evil Hindu caste system. This is what all these upper caste people have been doing to Dalits so that they can never escape from their tyranny.
After this incident they did not leave Aishwarya alone. They hatched a conspiracy in UP and got the manuwadi Amar Singh to get Aishwarya married to Abhishek Bachan, a half upper caste sikh and brahmin. They even made Aishwarya marry a banana plant before this marriage. How these evil people oppress us there is no end. Aishwarya now no longer identifies with her Dalit brethren. She has been swallowed up by this upper caste conspiracy.
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ruhi said
Never read a more ridiculous post in my life.
HIB said
This article – What kinda crap is this?
By such articles you are doing no good to dalitnation. You already lost my credibility.
Ranjan Shetty said
First of all, I want to clear this thing that Bunts are not shudras or dalits. The word bunt means soldier in Tulu language( local language used in dakshina kannada district( mangalore, udupi etc.). Bunt community is considered in open category & according to the above written crap, if bunts are shudras, then we would have got every facilities that government offers like reservation quotas in jobs,education etc. If you have no idea or information about what you are writing then dont write anything according to your imagination. try to get full information, then write.Bunts are basically farmers & considered as important community after brahmins. Many rulers from bunt community ruled coastal part of karnataka in the past. So stop writing anything bullshit
prasad said
Mr Ranjan shetty,
I agree to your points partially. But as per hinduism , brahamin, kshatriya and vaisya have upanayana( thread ceremony ) But sudras doesn’t have that. Bunts doesn’t have thread ceremony.
So u decide.
Most of the Bunt surname is got from Jains. Please have a note of it.
Sharath Naik said
Stupid article, noting a comment given by a one caste to classify another. Historically Bunts were professional soldiers who were given land in return for the service and eventually settled down into farming, post the era of wars. In modern age they were just known as land owners, until the land reassignment laws. Which triggered the mass migration after losing significant land.
As for the Brahmin’s classification, you need to understand south west coast stayed culturally traditional.The north brand of Hinduism never gained much ground until recent times. This was due to many communities (Bunts being one of them) holding the power/influence in the region. Brahmin community never gained the prominence they craved in the region. So they tried the classification line to gain influence by giving them selves more prominence. No one gives a rats ass to this classification, and the region continues its traditions. One of the places you see this power struggle is in that most big temples in the region are chaired/headed by Bunts, where Brahmins are provided a place to conduct the rituals.
We can say Bunts are not Hindus, if you believe in the Brahmin version of Hinduism. Bunt customs has not had much influence from northern version of Hinduism. Until some time back you could see it in their marriages, where the rituals are performed by the elders/community priests not Brahmins. Its only recently priests from brahmin community are being used due to loss of people knowing those traditions.
In short, Bunts were once warriors/rulers, then became land lords, then spread into the urban area. Bunts were always considered as forward caste. Any attempt to classify other wise is purely for political gain.
Note* how I am not using upper caste as this classification makes no sense.
Also Bunt names does not resemble Jain names. A portion of Bunts became Jains (They are called Jain bunts, but still bunts).
P S Subramanian said
I agree. The attack on Brahmins is unwarranted. It reflects moronic thinking and can only help towards dividing the nation. The Dalit Voice will only split India. We need to work towards uniting the nation instead of splitting it. Work towards a society in which there will be no lower castes and no upper castes. We need to respect the way people live instead of looking at where they were born.
This longish write-up desperately firing from the shoulders of Aishwariya Rai smacks of a juvenile delinquent and a maverick.
Brahminism rocks said
Ah! What an injustice to Aishwarya Rai? Maybe I can offer to date her and marry her to end this injustice. I can take this supreme sacrifice fr for the welfare of my people :P. And in the future if you have such beautiful chicks always, always let me know. Don’t let those half-Brahmins get the best meat.
Prateek Joshi said
This is an excellent article and it moved me to tears. As a Brahmin and on behalf of the Brahmin community I want to apologize to Aishwarya Rai for all the horrible abuse she has gone through. All I can say is I can make up for it by giving her a full body relaxing massage. This is all I can offer and once again my apologies to the Dalits.
Prateek Joshi
Brahmin Ayurvedic Doctor and Massage Therapist.
Raghav said
This is BULL SHIT.. Dont try to break indian peace with this crap..
B. Viswanatah Murthy, M Com., LL.B. said
Attn: Mr Prasad & Mr Ranjan Shetty. It is not one’s right to wear the holy thread. In Andhra the handloom community (Padmashali) is blessed with the right to celebrate the function to wear Jandhyam (holy thread). Today Devangas, viswakarmas are also eligible to wear it on the ocxcasion of Upanayanam.
Muthu Palaniappan said
Articles of this nature will divide India
Rohit kumar said
Shameful and as a dalit myself I oppose such articles
Sharan Kunar said
This article is rubbish! To more about bunts just click on this link—http://buntssanghauk.org/web/buntsaportrait
bunt_brahmin said
hey fuck off,,,u writing all shits. bunts are very very improved and high class people in the hierarchy. i will sue you if you don’t remove this article
kavya said
Brahmins don’t know what are other communities as they think they are only upper caste in india. Todays’ brahmin is eating nonveg and gettting married wherever money is der and he is very calculating. They have knowledge but no body and are always stingy….. look at the bunts an dother communities in mangalore how rich they look by eating nonveg and culturally……………….
Mahar but Brahmin idiots made us Dalit said
Wow what a language? Truth is always bitter mate. What you want just do it? Truth wins you dickhead. And what hierachy you are talking about…if I post videos of some Brahmin families…will you pull them down in hierarchy list? Obviously not. so then just shut the fuck up. What Mr. Shetty is takling about then Rea about Mahars, Shiv dharma, Maratha Seva Sangh and then post your comments..
dips said
such backward caste peoples only spoiling India. They even shy to keep their original name and adopting the names of open caste people to show up. But, by keeping false name they cannot change origin because they are habitual of getting facillities and spoiling India.
sidharth said
dont be blind to the facts.Bunts enjoy scheduled caste status in Maharastra but OBC in Karnataka but never upper caste.Be bold enough to accept this fact.
virtualfir said
I think this comment has been posted by some cunning brahmin or under his influence. These brahmins are really cunning
v said
i accept u
AishwaryaRaiLover said
Once again, i am a brahmin. We are PEOPLE you know!! We have brains!! Would you discriminate a whole race/country for something ONE person did?! Would you say all germans are horrible cos of Hitler? You wouldnt, So dont give Brahmins a bad name! If whoever write this was a Brahmin, then THAT SPECIFIC Person is an Idiot! Are you guys just stupid?!
Sharma k said
what ever do we are no 1
Karthik said
Excellent comment by AishwaryaRaiLover.
shelley said
But a great revolutionary mind? Where were you when Guru Ravidas (Chamar community), Bhagat kabir (weaver), Bhagat Sain (barber) all dalits were baptized (guru dharan) by Great Brahmin saint Ramananda. So Ramanand was cruel brahmin in your eyes who turned these normal dalits to a evershining stars in the Great Indian Philosophical Sky by becoming their Greeeeeeeeeeat Guru.
Similarly The the Great Bhagat Namdev (tailor, a dalit) Was turned Great after becoming the disciple of a cruel Brahmin Visoba Khechara.
And the list goes on and the cruelty of brahmins go on………………..
not-bound-by-caste said
Stop spreading such negativity around.
Save your dignity, and that of your so-called caste’s, by not writing again! (Unless you have better things to write about!)
Rao swan said
Hey Mr, what the bullshit you are saying, All the saint and guru Ravidass, Kabir sahib, denounced Hinduism and Brahmanism. Read first then write.
Ajay Chandra said
Amitabh bachchan is a kayastha and not a brahman..
Swapnil Sharma said
(Facts regarding ‘Bunts’)….Two Shettys, Pimpri-Chinchwad Municipal Corporation chairman Jagdish and brother Ulhas, are in trouble for allegedly submitting false caste certificate for contesting the February civic elections from wards reserved for Scheduled Caste candidates. Ulhas is also facing charges of providing fake caste certificates.
The issue came to fore through an RTI application moved by Shiv Sena leader Sarang Kamtekar before the Caste Verification Committee. Kamtekar procured a copy of the Vigilance Squad report submitted to the Committee.
“The squad had gone to Shettys’ native place to verify caste certificates and school leaving certificates submitted by the brothers. The squad report says the Shettys belong to the upper caste and not Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
The Shettys claimed in their caste certificates that they belong to “Hindu Bunt” community. “The Shettys sought to project a wrong caste status. They belong to Hindu Bunts community, which is an upper caste in Karnataka.
The Bunt community in Maharashtra is primarily found in Solapur and belongs to Scheduled Caste. The Shettys misused it to project themselves as Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
When contacted, Ulhas claimed they belong to the Scheduled Caste community. “In Karnataka Bunt community comes under OBC, but in Maharashtra they have been given Scheduled Caste status by the Maharashtra Government,” said Ulhas, adding they have been living in Maharashtra for 50 years and have little connection with Karnataka.
“The Shiv Sena is trying to avenge the defeat of their candidates by us. The Sena double standards are clearly visible. In PMC areas, one of its candidates was a Shetty and contested from a ward reserved for Scheduled Caste. He lost, or else the Sena would have found it difficult to take it out against us,” he said.
… contd.
(News in ‘Indian Express’, dated 7th June 2012)
Your post is CRAP . said
THIS POST IS FULL OF SHIT SHIT SHIT,,, AUTHOR IS NOT ONLY SPREADING SHIT SHIT SHIT BUT PLAYING AND ENJOYING IN THIS CRAP LIKE A PIG …
p sravan kumar said
i am sure the author was born in a lump of dung and hence is writing article of shit. he has demonstrated that he belongs in shit.
soumodeep bose said
no not all upper caste have thread ceremony. It depends from region to region. In Bengal only Brahmins have thread ceremony, Vaisyas and Khastriyas don’t. Don’t confuse yourself. In Nepal Brahmin in 2nd highest caste. so it depends. Shows how ignorant writers over here are.
Saikiran Shetty said
I think whoever posted this is a good conspiracy theorist. He did his job…Look at how the smart and intellectuals are calling his bluff by taking pot shots at each others community in the thread. ones with misplaced priorities in life. if you really want to find where you belong to? This is not the forum for sure!
Nishant said
absolutely
neemkapaudha said
THIS IS MADNESS DEAR …….. rofl
dj krish said
Really u r 1000000% ri8
dalitnation said
Ruhi Said – “Never read a more ridiculous post in my life.”
– Another brahminical upper caste mind who tries to ridcule us the Dalits.
mgb said
u people know only hating . like any indian idiot politician.
geyamala said
this article is a clear manifestation of people who are trying to divide people on the basis of caste and history falsified to suit their needs.
instead of posting this type of nonsense and propagating hatred against brahmins who are no more ruling class.
most of the land, power, industries are owned not by brahmins.
it is not brahmins who are pursuing two glass system in villages.
it is not brahmins who demolished babri maszid and perpetrated killing of innocent muslims in gujarat.
are multi billionaires like aishwarya rai who takes rs 6 crores to act in a movie belong to oppressed class?
it is not caste but the class that is to be taken into consideration.
check the data of people who commit atrocities and physical attacks on daliths and what is their caste.
neemkapaudha said
geyamala said
bunts are not back ward caste people. they are rich and forward caste people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunt_(community)
kavya said
Bunts are not backward nor are the other communities in mangalore. If shilps shetty aishwarya and others int he their cast ehave been in the film industry why do they use their names and make it big show telling thta they are forward dat doens’t mean dressing up can make u forward. well hats tot hem thye hae lot of unity but they can’t dominate the other religions
soumodeep bose said
dalitnation is so full of shit. Me myself being a Dalit am telling you, you are full of Horseshit. This nigger forgot that we were all oppressed by same muslims whose cock this dalit pimp wanted our dalit hindu aishwarya to suck on. Fucking mentally retarded dalit. Be a real Dalit like me you retard. a patriotic one, not a paki cock sucker.
Vijay poojary said
One of the worst and ridiculous article ever seen in my life
Radhey Shyam said
I am in complete agreement with the scholar who wrote this. I did not know that Aishwarya was also one among us. Yes I am a dalit and we belong to the Dhobi caste from UP. My blood is boiling now that Aishwarya is married to the Half Khatri / Kayastha – Half brahmin Abhishek. We should atleast make sure that your other sisters do not end up with the same fate and remain within our biradari.
Also please note I am a bachelor and if you have any phone number or email IDs of your other sisters who are similar to Aishwarya rai please let me know. I can marry her and prevent the evil upper caste people from enjoying our women. Jai Bhim
Ranjan Shetty said
First of all, I want to clear this thing that Bunts are not shudras or dalits. The word bunt means soldier in Tulu language( local language used in dakshina kannada district( mangalore, udupi etc.). Bunt community is considered in open category & according to the above written crap, if bunts are shudras, then we would have got every facilities that government offers like reservation quotas in jobs,education etc. If you have no idea or information about what you are writing then dont write anything according to your imagination. try to get full information, then write.Bunts are basically farmers & considered as important community after brahmins. Many rulers from bunt community ruled coastal part of karnataka in the past. So stop writing anything bullshit
bhavya said
Hi
Bunts/nairs both are same they are considered shudras by Brahmins.
I am not a bunt.i am balija but we too use shetty surname ourside.
so I started researching on bunts.i read this Brahmin article which speak about bunt/nair practices .read it about your community written by Brahmins.it is a big shock to me after reading it.
google :nairs and bunts are shudras
kerala mental asylum by swami Vivekananda.
real human said
peace people…dont fight for these rubbish things……only the blood group differs not race or caste or religion….dont waste time… we are humans we are born to keep the world safe and protect the living things…
for example.. just think u were undergoing a byepass surgery.. about 10 to 20 bottles of blood will be given to u… can u identify the blood from each bottle belong to which caste??….. This will happen in your life atleast once….leave this nonsense..happy humanity…
Shraavan Hegde said
1st of all..i think you are a complete moron!
And 2nd bunts were the ruling land-owning community of tulunaad(coastal karnataka). I am a bunt and we dont wear the holy thread. Maybe because our customs are different. but that dosnt change the fact that we were ruling higher class
Pandey the Panda said
What a big and mighty heart you have Radhey. I am moved by your compassion for the cute Dalit girls. Although I am not a Dalit, I am giving you some references of other Bunt Girls in Bollywood like Shilpa Shetty and Shamitha Shetty. You can try your luck Radhey in saving them from upper caste hindus. Shilpa is a very rich girl after she won the reality show in UK. Look how they abused her racially. Poor rich girl. Radhey go for her man.
AishwaryaRaiLover said
You know what i just realized?? This is not a website for Balits!! Its an Anti-brahmin website!! What do you guys have against us?! When you walk on the streets does anyone ask you “What caste are you?” No?? Then IT DOESNT MATTER DOES IT?! Read all the featured articles on the right. ALL of them are against brahmins and are not supporting Balits in any way. Its not us who want to divide up the nation! Its people like whoever made this website who says all brahmins are evil!! They are the people who want to divide the nation into castes. It was Aishwarya Rai’s choice that she married Abhishek Bachan. As ive said before, dont judge a whole caste just by one person!!
Onecleanbloke said
I was searching for Bunt and found this site. The author of the article is an idiot. Bunts are one of the richest people. This fellow is just making up theories from thin air. Bunts own all the major jewellery stores and hotels in Mumbai. Check out before writing this garbage.
dalitnation said
Onecleanoceanbloke –
I dont know whether you are a Bunt or not. Next time when you post please specify your caste. Don’t be a coward. Caste is not about being rich or poor. Just because Bunts own hotels and jewelery shops they don’t become upper caste. A brahmin who cannot afford one square meal a day can treat Bunt’s like filth. Don’t try to act caste blind and teach us. We have Babasaheb to guide us. He has liberated us. We can’t tolerate your nonsense anymore. Regarding Bunts our mentor the great dalit intellectual VT rajashekar is a Bunt and he is the most respected living scholar on Dalits today. By claiming that Bunts are upper caste don’t try to split the Dalits. We know all your gameplans.
Ranjan Shetty said
what do you know about bunt community? I’m sure that you are not from bunt community & dont knw anything about it, about its history or people from this community. Ask any person from bunt community, get the information& then write. Iam also a bunt & Iam shocked to hear from you, half knwoledge people, that we bunts are dalits. Is this why we are in open category? I know that the person from our community with a goodwill served the lower community. It doesnt mean that he is a dalit. Go to mangalore or Udupi & see what bunts are & see whether they are upper or lower class people.
Sam George said
The author is mistaken when he says that bunts are Dalits but you are also mistaken in thinking that bunts are born superior to Dalits or anyone else. brahmins and bunts are self proclaimed upper class. Todays Dalits don’t give a damn about anyone who claims to be superior to them.
sidharth said
do you or your forefathers do the thread ceremony?check it.
shetty25 said
You are the most stupid man I have ever encountered on the internet. Get your facts straight!! You have to first research on what you’ve written about. No atrocity is being inflicted on Dalits, every crime committed is being given a communal colour. Bunts are not Dalits!! You have to get your facts straight. It’s people like you who divide the nation and not us. Bunts are the warrior class from Tulunadu with a small percentage being Jains. People from our caste have ruled the region previously but majorly are landlords. We donot have the thread ceremony because the thread ceremony has never existed. I am not defending my caste neither am I putting you’ll down but if you write an article, write the truth. Don’t target Bhramins because not all of them are wrong and whatever atrocities have been inflicted upon you’ll was before independence. None of the bhramins behave like that now and even if there are a few of them who still exist its because people like you still exist; you want to divide the nation instead of uniting it. Feel ashamed. You’re not doing any great job by posting such shitty articles infact you’re just further promoting your ingnorance.
Honestly, in the beginning Aishwariya didn’t know how to act but yes she is a good actress now.
ruhi said
Dalitnation,
I’m not an upper caste brahmin FYI. I don’t believe in this caste nonsense like you. The only thing that you seem to be focusing in this blog is the caste system, which should actually be the last thing you should be focusing upon! Shows how educated you are or how much you really understand.
I don’t know from where you got all this crap information. It would be great if you could provide a link. Looks like it is a figment of your imagination.
I would advice you not to draw conclusions over the caste of the people who comment on your blog without knowing anything.
robert said
what maks you tell u don believe god differentiated but never discriminated ppl . There are so many goods in brahmanical culture what makes u defy that .These fellows just for the sake of making a point that they too exist talk some non sense
dalitnation said
To Ruhi
We dont have much to say to people who have been brainwashed by the Brahminical forces. How can you be so heartless to the Sudras the people who have been oppressed for 5000 years. Shame on you.
devparna said
To Everyone,
THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST ENTERTAINING POST….
Thats all… and i am also impressed by the no of replies it has got… quite obvious for the kind of post it is…. Now can I please Laugh… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
bhaskar said
you are biased. let me ask you . dravidians are also outsiders. and there is no proof that the civillization existed for 5000 years. often rich dalits abuse poor dalits also.muslims also committed atrocities on dalits(bangladesh). you are mum. your senses comes to live,only when you can have the mind to speak .
Saint said
The author’s claim is not just about a caste or sect, it transpires beyond the social classification.
It is about the mutlilation of humanity and human dignity in the name of caste system, which is created by the Brahminical mafia. I am not in anyway saying all Brahmins are mafia, my closest friends and even family members are Brahmins, I am not. I am neither a Brahmin nor an Hindu, I lived, live and will die as a Buddhist, by following the most contemplative thoughts of Dr.Ambedkar and Lord Buddha.
I had several of my friends and colleagues from all the procrastinating caste terminology, never once anyone dare to argue, insult or name call me or the dalit caste when I am present, as they know I never believed in it nor I will let anyone walk away with abusive expressions as some commentors wrote here.
Along those lines, what this author says is “whoever he or she is”, a reality about “how woman are treated in India, irrestpective of whether she is a brahmin or any… that woman are treated just like dalits or even worst than dalits.
He has to narrate the background of Rai or other womans as bunts or whatever, yes this group of Indians are probably the richest or even wealthiest in various aspects, but when it come to the Brahminical Indians, these richie riches too will be treated like a third rated humans.
So he argues that do not let the woman beeing sabotaged by brahmins and do not let their rights and dignity is taken away by those casteistic people.
What is wrong in writing and telling the world as the author expressed, he/she is bit angered by the modern day slavery and casteism, he/she has the right to be say. How come half of the commentors here do not seems to use their thoughts without the chaturvarna inclination. You are diminishing you are ability to gain knowledge of the reality, besides beeing obnoxiosly rude to the author, if you open up your mind generously, you might learn something from this author here, if you do not take it, just leave him/her alone, do not abuse. Which only qualifies you to be part of the savage Brahminical clowns.
Vasudev akundi said
according to your website all the atrocities across the world are commited only by brahmins, right from the 1st world war, to the breaking of the bamiyan buddha statues by the taliban. yet brahmins were not banned by any international body; does it mean that the brahmins are super intelligent and have the brains to get away with anything they do…or does it mean that dalits have their brains in their arses ? even after 60 years of extreme marginalization and social outcasting of the brahmin community you inferior dalits still dread the intelligence of our community. I will die a proud brahmin….inspite of our very small numbers…we still command the power to fool you dalits.
Ekalavyan said
What Dalitnation has said is a truth. Upper caste criminals cannot understand this. Brahmins converted India into an intellectual desert. They believe only what they wanted toBelieve!!!!!
Mr. Shetty said
I am a Bunt and we are in no way related to the activities of Mr. V.T.Rajashekar. V.T. Rajashekar is also from our Shetty/Bunt community and is a big Hypocrite who has made bashing brahmins and jews as his profession. This man gets funds from all the anti national forces from the Gulf, Europe and america to support all the seccessionist movements in India like Khalisthan, Terrorism in North east, Tamil terrorism, Naxals, Kashmir terrorists. In the name of Dalits he is supporting terrorism in India. He is no intellectual. All he knows is a few cliches which he has been repeating over and over again since many decades. His main influence is the ‘Nation of Islam’ and like the nation of islam he has created a dalit centric history. His main aim is the dis integration and weakening of India. His main target is Hinduism in general and he does this by targetting upper caste people.
It is a well known fact that Bunts are very religious hindus. Bunts are also caretakers of many temples and they have looked after and cared for many poor brahmins. so what this person is talking is all nonsense.
The Author of this ridiculous article should understand that – Aishwarya Rai is neither oppressed nor a victim. She belongs to the elite strata of possibly the whole world. Salman Khan was an abusive person who has been booked under the wildlife act for killing engendered blackbucks as well as he has been involved in a accident which is a culpable homicide not accounting to murder. He is currently looking like he is being a reformed person. Even aishwaraya rai and salman khan will not agree with your article which is rubbish.
I am pretty sure you or your mentor Rajashekar have not helped Dalits in any way except in helping some self serving dalit politicians to come to power. I am very sorry for the Dalits if this is the kind of intellectual leadership they have. Instead of dividing people into communities we should all work together to uplift the underpreviliged of our soceity irrespective of whatever caste they belong to. The dalits have so many economic and social issues and living in appaling conditions.
bhaskar said
I respect people like you sir.This is not the question of castes,but class. I do not hate dalits and as a brahmin do not like biased attitude. I am sorry,if somebody has written anything bad about your community. All castes(as they do exists must be treated with dignities and respect).These people are totally ignorant of other caste cultures but even orthodox upper caste do respect other castes. I believe in caste equality. I do not hate beggars, Ph. Because they are genuinely deprived. They may be a brahmin, muslim, obc, anything. Have sympathy for the poorest of the poor and god would be kind. remember neighbours helps neighbours(any caste/religions). I am currently under financial distress. I ama brahmin but some Sc ‘s also helped me.God bless yoy ,sir. Have a good day.
Binay Kumar singh said
i m from bihar and i m sure that u spoke right , people like vtr is only helping enemy of our country, and he lacks knowledge, amitabh bachchan is not brahmin but kayastha , srivastava a baniya caste
Akash said
Binay Kumar Singh, if you’re indeed from Bihar, you should know better about Srivastavas and Kayathas. Are you deliberately spreading misinformation? Punjabis often mistake Kayasthas for Baniyas, because they are not aware about them.
Kayasthas are Kshatriyas today, ( although, their origin is from Brahmins, evidence of which is strewn across ancient history. )
Saka said
Your father is baniya madarchod. Kayastha is Kayastha. We don’t fit under your narrow minded categories. We are not slaves of behenchod brahmins.
Thunderdownunder said
I am completely in agreement with the author. I also think Marlyn Monroe was a dalit and John F Kennedy a Brahmin. We all know how marlyn was exploited. she finally commited suicide. Shame on the brahmins and jews for killing marlyn monroe.
HumanRightsWatch said
Hey guys. I have gone through this entire site and also Dalit voice. I have now understood all the rules on how the world works:
Anything Bad Anywhere in the World is created by Brahmins.
Dalits are the lowest caste being exploited by Brahmins.
Islam, Christianity and Buddhism are against Brahmins
Hinduism is the worst religion
All the ills of the world are caused by Hinduism all the other religions are great.
Carry on with the hate speech. You might get some charity from your slave masters.
AishwaryaRaiLover said
HAHAHA!! Thank you!! I love people like you who can see through the bullshit. I am a brahmin and i believ in caste equality, yet i dont want to get rid of the caste system because its an ancient hindu act. People never see my point of view. They either think im an ‘uppercaste bitch’ who takes pity of everyone, or im an ‘uppercaste bitch’ who is arrogant and wants the caste system to continue because i am off an uppercaste. Your post is the first one which i fully agree with!! Haha. I also like the way you listed ‘facts’! 😛
King Kong said
hiya. I am not much of a fan of Aishwarya Rai. I feel she is beautiful with little acting talent. She is a barbie doll with few predictable expressions. Does these views qualify as brahminical barbarianism.
tally musa said
I am not Indian but I have always known that there was a conspiracy against Aishwarya. They didn’t want her to succeed that was why they said she couldn’t act but the Almighty God is solidly behind her and see where she is today. She is way above the actresses they tirelessly promote. The one true God definitely exists.
Bonzo said
I could not help myself laughing after reading this post. I was ROFL and LMAO. This is the best joke I heard today. Carry on with this work Dalitnation. I hope you will write more funny things like this in the future.
Brigadier said
The author is so knowledgeble I want to tell the author he has missed out on the conspiracy in the Miss India itself. Ash was second in miss india to Sushmitha sen. Now this was a great conspiracy. Not sure whether sushmitha sen is a brahmin. But ash should have gon to miss universe. Well brahmins will never allow the dalit aishwarya to be called miss universe… They want dalits only to go to miss world.
. said
bunts are Kshatriyas not shudras. don’t write nonsense if you don’t know anything.
happyhindu said
hahaha!!!! Never read a funnier conversation than this entire post…..
dalitnation said
The Brahminical forces as usual are responding to this article and abusing us Dalits. They have thrived in abusing us from centuries and of course they have mastered it. How long will you all continue doing this. Just wait and you will see all your upper caste wallahs will be biting dust soon.
Many of you have abused the great V.T.Rajashekar. But you don’t realize that our mentor and inspiration VTR knows all your gameplans. He has been fighting with you singlehandedly for the last 25 years but now he is no longer alone. He has millions of Dalits supporting him and we at Dalitnation know this fact. This fact the Brahmins don’t see because they see only what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. They are like the three chinese monkeys.
We at dalitnation again pledge our support to the Dalit cause. The fake bunts who have responded to this post are all brahmins. Again I will reiterate Bunts are Sudras and exploited by Brahmins. This the upper castewallahs dont want to see. They are blind and want to make the whole world blind. But this deception is going to end soon. Wait till the Dalits come to power in Delhi. You can abuse as as much as you like we dont care.
amit said
are u mentaly ill or something..
Anonymous said
We will see to that no one enters our cultural domain. Let there be millions behind us. But no one can stop us. People are jealous of this quality of us and hence post such articles which are motivated by their paymasters who have long term goals in destroying our nation.
chinesemonkeys said
Nope, we love you — for making us laugh so much 🙂
Alkhali said
Our dalit women need strong dalit bodies to produce strong dalit children. Dalit men wake up. Dont allow the pot bellied brahmins and banias to capture the dalit women.
Venugopal said
These people who have written this has no brians. what a stupid thing to call aishwarya as dalit. Just because some idotic dalit scholar VT rajshekar is bunt caste. bunt caste is a rich caste and not at all dalit. dont try to divert from the real issues of dalits which is discrimination and poverty. for all the people whoi comment here just writing these stupid articles and laughing at the cost of dalits is bad.
kavya said
The community of Bunts (anglicized from Buntas), also referred to as Nadavas, form an important and integral part of the socio economic culture of Tulu nadu, in coastal Karnataka. They share Tulu nadu with other prominent ethnic groups like the Mogaveeras,Billavas, Brahmins, Konkanis, Catholics and Jains. As a community, Bunts are next in number only to the Billavas of Tulu nadu.
Ajatashatru said
This is an excellent article. This showcases many things:
1. Not all castes who call themselves dalit are poor and discriminated
2. Not all people who claim to represent dalits are dalits
3. Caste and Class are different.
4. A so called backward caste can be a rich class.
5. A forward caste person can be from the poor class.
6. Thousands of years of oppression is a joke because soceity is fluid
7. If caste is occupation then all film stars are one caste – the artist caste.
Let the people think on these things and you will get all the answers for social problems. This article is superb and gives a lot of food for thought. Carry on with the good work Dalit Nation.
nancy said
u r an idiot
Avinash said
Hi ppl….first of all I am a brahmin….so dalit nation can shred my views to pieces….
But dalitnation…wasnt this the reason why u hate brahmins? because they dont allow you to express your views…because we(anyone who does not subscribe to this blog’s views) are only trying to belittle dalits everywhere…well let me just prove my credentials…I work for an NGO called Bharat Uday Mission…I dont know(nor care) about what castes my fellow workers are from…neither do I worry about who I am helping…what are your credentials to belittle me?…who have you helped…have you done anything without worrying about which caste the person is from? I thought we were all Indians…who were trying to forgive and forget the past…dont forget that ppl in Tamil Nadu in the name of rationalism have garlanded lord Ganesh’s idol with slippers claiming they were destroying brahminism…but is an eye for an eye your philosophy? I never heard buddhism express that as their ideal….I am not justifying what my or your forefathers have done….I nor you can change that…but we can change whats happening around us cant we? This post has issues with caste system…will any sunni marry a shite? will any Roman Catholic marry a protestant? This ‘evil’ exists everywhere…but in different forms…but it is an evil nonetheless…if you want to remove castism then remove it first from your own head that you are a dalit…and then remove it from your friends that they belong to any caste at all….but I fear the biggest stumbling block would be who starts first…I have…with myself…I am a brahmin…I do what my religion tells me….but I dont discriminate…if everyone can do that we can live in peace…I hope dalitnation will forgive me if I said anything wrong…but if I did…try adding some rational explanation like Saint…
happyhindu said
Very well said Ajatashatru.
We are castes, not a nation. We become a nation only if we remove castes.
If indeed there was any oppression how come so many yadavs from the jat-land and shudras down south became rulers / feudal lords / kings.
The whole idea about caste is a political ploy by politicians to continue the ‘divide and rule’ legacy left by their erstwhile white masters. Its a complete sham.
Ramesh said
It was not a political ploy. It was a functional system once. It worked because people beleived in each other and each group kept their commitment, promise. A kshatriya was true to his name. He protected the country and his subjects, maintained law, order, social justice, happiness of the people and never cheated the country by stealing its assets( sand, iron ore, coal mining mafia). He went to the streets in person, masking himself, to check what is happening in the streets. Are his people really happy.
A brahmin helped the society in religious works, aiding the king and administration and was living purely on the salary and donations of the king.
A vysya did business and was true to his trade.
A sudra had an important job in the society. and did his assigned role.
People were then,content with what they had and they trusted that their king will take care of them and HE DID.
So if everyone do their job with integrity and selflessness, happiness will reach everyone’s life.
Remember happiness is the actual measure of life and not material richness or wealth. So people need to revisit their life perspectives and move on with life.
If the king can ensure his grass root person gets adequate shelter, food, civic and education amenities, people are happy. People have to work for success. Success cannot be spoonfed like in reservation. People should be given tools and access to tools for them to work with. People should be encouraged to work and avenues for growth. Rewards cannot be given to them in a platter, like in reservation.
So blame the king and administration for all the evils of the day.
Akaula Kaula said
One can never get rid of VaNa, period. Take USOfA; (perhaps the place where from this Dalit Nation is orchestrated by white Cristian Missionary, Using Dalits as Trojan Horse), here there is intellectual class called Academics in Universities and think tanks, Then there are Military and Police and other forces, Then there are MNC’s, Industrialists generators of economy & then there are the rest who provide services like postal service, cleaning services, etc etc. Take any society ther ewill be these people. In general I have not seen Trek between teh Service Joe and teh Rockfellers, Rothschilds, Carnegis etc. The only thing that is different i sthat in India these professions may have gotten fossilized to some extent because of what ever reason. The texts like Bhagvad Geeta clearly states that VarNa is a natural order, you can ignore it but you can not get rid of it. You will have names for each of these professions, may be not Indian names. I have not seen Rothschilds or Rockafellers marrying a Janitor or a Street cleaner even if white.
So fall prey for teh white mans wile, and we will get colonized.
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Ankur Aggarwal said
come on film industry is filled with people without morals, or religion…
some sleep with anything that moves creeps or crawls.. some change the religion so that they can marry multiple number of times
how can such people claim to be of the high caste
dalitnation said
All the brahminical forces are afraid of the awakening of dalits. Hence you find all these posts ridiculing the dalits. There are some of the Brahmin Hindu Nazis who claim that they work in these or that NGOs and ask us what we do to alleviate the suffering of Dalits. We at Dalit Nation are furthering the cause of empowerment of Dalits. A cause which hits at the very root of the Brahminical social order. Just working in some silly so called social welfare organisation wouldn’t wash the blood on your hands. We have seen many such organisations and welfare organisations. We know of many lions clubs, donkey’s and monkeys clubs. At dalit nation we are working towards a revolution to topple the BSO and we will stop at nothing less. Let the oppresors have their time now. The future belongs to us – the shudra and ati shudras of india.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Dear Dalitnation,
Lions Club is a Recreational spot for people who have cash in their pockets and do not know what to do with free time. Having said that the Lions Blood bank is the largest of its kind in the country and helps many thousands of innocent dying civilians at free cost by gathering blood donors and donating blood to the needy when required.
Its a shame you cannot distinguish the difference between Lions Club and a Genuine NGO like Bharath Uday Mission. If you know what Bharath Uday Mission is then it is for starters an educational institution that gives free education to orphans and special schools in and across the city of chennai. I used to work myself for this NGO sometime ago.
Do you know as per the constitution of India it is Unconstitutional or to put it blatantly its criminal offense to address someone by the derogatory term “shudra” or “parayan” or “backward caste”.
You would be in Jail if someone here files a complaint in a police station. You could be in prison for weeks or months together for racial discrimination. Please stop calling anyone including yourself by that derogatory term “shud***”. Its offensive and its a crime.
non-chinesemonkeys said
Dalitnation,
Stop calling yourself the representative of all shudras. There are many shudras ashamed of you, including myself.
What blood does a brahmin have on his hands???
In future, you will be remembered for having the dirt of casteism on your hands.
Please answer me, if indeed there was any oppression, how did shudras become feudal lords / rulers – yadavs / jats in the north, nayaks in the south, even the mauryas (chandragupta, ashoka, etc) were not kshatriyas. If you dalits / shudras were put into a so-called brahminical social order, how did this happen?
dalitnation said
Most of the upper caste folks don’t know any history. They believe what they want to believe. Of course there were many shudra kings and rulers. Some like Chandragupta were used as puppets by the Brahmin machievelli chanakya. It was these wily brahmins who finally destroyed all the heritage of shudras and ati shudras. Read Ambedkar on how many of the Shudras rebelled against the BSO and how the brahmins reacted to it and finally destroyed shudra culture.
Now we are being educated on the constitution of India and also threatned that we will be jailed for using the term ‘Shudra’, a term used by brahminical oppressors against us. It is very strange the brahmins used to call us shudras and now when we even mention the name given by our oppressors it becomes a crime. It was we who told you the word Shudra is taboo and we always call ourselves as Dalits. It is your brahminical scriptures which call us Shudras, Chandalas and Mlecchas. Think about it, just to erase all history you want us to use the nomenclature that you give to us. The criminal Gandhi used to call us the’Harijans’, children of god. As if all the others are children of devils. Gandhi was an intellectual pygmy and it is a shame we call him the father of nation. Read the real father of our nation Babsaheb and you will undestand how shudras were created by brahmins. We never call ourselves Shudras as it is derogatory. It is your silly cock and bull rig vedic purusha suktha which called us and condemned as Shudras. First ban this Rig veda and then talk about constitution and rights. This horrible peice of crap called Purusha Suktha claims that Shudras come from the feet of their god. This is repeated every day in your temples by the preists. First go and ban all these and then talk to us. Don’t give us lectures on filing complaints in police stations. First go and examine your scriptures and temples and what these idiotic brahmin preists recite and parrot day in and day out. Then you will know who can be imprisoned.
It is because of this constitution drafted by the greatest intellectual and the real father of nation Ambedkar that all these upper caste people are crying hoarse. Now the constituion grants equal rights to everyone something which the Brahmins could never comphrehend. Hence the problem for the Brahmins. Now they talk of equality, humanism and all those things which are very foreign to them. They don’t have any option as their days are numbered. They create NGOs and claim that they work for some of the dispossed so that they can maintain the status quo and enjoy their rights. We know very well all these NGOs and how the urban elite brahminical upper classes working for these NGOs. Just another ploy like Gandhi’s ‘Harijan’ strategy to exploit dalits. Sorry no takers among the Dalits for your new games. Try something else.
sidharth said
very true.carry on .proud of you
Dilip Muralidaran said
You really are a racist aren’t you? Just based upon your pure logic that every brahmin is a oppressing upper class racist in itself shows how much disregard you have for logic and common sense. The very fact that you consider no brahmin can genuinely work for any Charitable organization or an NGO states how cruel minded a prick you are.
Gandhi was a criminal in many ways but Gandhi was also the reason why today you are here writing this in a public forum such as the internet. If not for Gandhi there would have been no awareness amongst the oppressors that calling someone a “Shudhra” and treating them inferiorly based on their social profiling is a wrong doing. Much of Ambedkar’s ideology clearly supports and has strong foundations in Gandhism.
Its quite a pity you have no clue about the history yet talk about Ambedkar as if he was your uncle and he told you everything you know about him now when in reality you are as confused and ill minded as your dalit political counterparts who take advantage of poor dalits for a mere vote bank cause.
praf t said
This guy dalit nation is a muslim mullah trying to divide hindus.
happyhindu said
There are 2 sides to life:
1) The evil side: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119870649955551321.html?mod=googlenews_wsj and this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/01/08/basant108.xml
2) The good side:
http://www.sulabhtoiletmuseum.org/profile.htm
Which side you want to be on depends on whether you genuinely want to remove ‘caste’ from our ‘system’ irrespective of whatever ‘caste’ or ‘system’ you are born into.
Please remember:
1) All ‘upper caste’ people do not hate ‘lower caste’ people.
2) All ‘lower caste’ people do not hate ‘upper caste’ people.
dalitnation said
So we are trying to divide hindus. These brahmins are so pathetic. It is they who created Jati and Varna and now they say we are dividing Hindus. Go look at your Manusmrithi, the filthy shit you Brahmins created and then you will know who divided Hindus. The dalits were never Hindus infact you never even wanted us as Hindus. Now you are crying that we are mullahs and missionaries. Look We are dalits and non hindus and we are buddhists follower of Babasaheb. So don’t try your brahminical tricks with us.
happyhindu said
I might just agree with you dalitnation on one thing — like buddhism, sometimes I think Jainism is the best form of faith — no varna, no jati, nothing — its a liberating and empowering feeling.
happyhindu said
But again please remember: All so-called ‘upper caste’ people do not hate so-called ‘lower caste’ people. All so-called ‘lower caste’ people do not hate so-called ‘upper caste’ people.
happyhindu said
It would also be nice to rememebr that not all hindu scriptures are so polarized. Some are, not all (example: Krishna said: Karmeva gururishvara (Karma alone is man’s guru, nothing but karma alone is his Ishwara)).
Like I accept my loved ones and myself with all the good and bad in us / me, I accept my religion too with its good and bad. Like no human being is perfect, no religion is perfect too. We all just aim for perfection in every lifetime.
fallen monk said
Happyhindu said : “All so-called ‘upper caste’ people do not hate so-called ‘lower caste’ people. All so-called ‘lower caste’ people do not hate so-called ‘upper caste’ people.”
It doesn’t matter if 0.001 % “upper” castes do not hate the “lower” castes , because a clear majority is as good as all.Dalitnation’s views are quite interesting , but they are quite exaggerated too.Ash’s marriage to a tree is a completely ridiculous , brahminical and funny event.I am sure all the world must have had a good laugh seeing this.
Hinduism is complete bullshit.It is alone the most prominent factor for the pathetic, underdeveloped and corrupt condition of India , as it is now.For Indian to develop , hinduism must be rooted out from here.
Some idiots are claiming that the author of this blog is a mullah whose trying to divide the hindus.These hindus are complete ignorants , as they have no knowledge of their own religion (if it can be called so) , but they do not hesitate to claim their religion as the greatest and the truest in the world.
The very basis and foundation of Hinduism is division.We , the oppressed and discriminated , have no choice but to talk in terms of the oppressors.Hence , we use terms like sudras , brahmins etc , and not because we want to divide people.We stand for true equality.
Religion said
Fallenmonk: “Hinduism is complete bullshit.”
My reply: It does seem you people are a gang of ISI supported Pakis, trying to spread hatred in India, and to divide us by seeking to incite people, with such exaggerated statements, typical of Paki Hindu/ India bashers.
Thankfully, Hinduism is not a religion at all. It is one of the best spiritual systems, and the oldest one, with its roots deeply set into Paganism, with its deep connection with nature, that is one of the few spiritual systems that still seek to maintain the bond between humans and nature, through nature worship, as ‘religion’ was originally meant to be.
One of the strongest features of Hinduism is its fluidity and adaptability with changing times — which also unfortunately caused the oppressive rigid caste system to set in. This system was certainly not conceptualized as such.
The caste system in its rigid form came into play because of a variety of complex factors, which although also included Brahmin politics, but was essentially caused by the mixing of numerous groups and races of people from all across the globe and the rising tensions, which were absorbed and reflected by the fluid Hindu so-called ‘religion,’ and then exploited by the group in power — the Brahmins.
A very important catalyst of this unfortunate set of events was the long Islamic rule of India (which ended the golden era of ancient India), and later the British rule, during which time Hinduism (sic) was crushed, and so it failed to grow. Instead, it started to stagnate.
Furthermore, the rulers tried to exploit this weakness by seeking to empower one caste against the other, and thus aiding in (rather, initiating) the formation of this oppressive rigid caste system.
Again, to shatter your accusation of Hinduism being the originator of the oppressive caste system, we all know that every other religion in south Asia, be it Islam or Christianity or Buddhism, discriminates or divides themselves on the caste lines, if not formally, then informally, but just as strongly.
I have seen Muslims practise as much casteism, if not more, than some of the most oppressive upper castes. I have seen them putting down Dalits (including Dalit Muslims) in the worst possible manner. I have also seen some of them take pride in their ancestors being upper caste Hindus. And this pride is not religious pride. But one of race or creed (whether or not its valid). Like I said, the roots of caste system is in the clash caused by various ethnic communities merging in one land (although, this cannot be simplified as, all Brahmins or upper-caste communities being Aryans or superior and all lower caste communities being non-Aryans or aboriginals or natives).
Even if you ‘root out Hinduism,’ casteism will remain strong, because people will practise it no matter what religion they follow. Of course, they’re now demanding reservations for Christian and Muslim Dalits. If the caste system was integral to Hinduism, there could never have been a ‘Christian Dalit,’ since one would cease to be a Dalit, the moment one converts to Christianity. Instead, even generations after being converted, the Dalit remains a Dalit. And as persecuted as before.
And within Hinduism, casteism is not only a matter of Dalits vs the upper-caste. There is immense casteism within the Brahmin caste/ Kshatriya caste, etc … including within the lower caste. One Dalit community sees itself as superior than the other. They will not intermarry with each other. They will oppress the ones lower to them, just as the ones higher to them oppress them. This phenomenon can easily be seen in the way the Other backward castes see the SCs or the SCs see the STs and the so-called ‘untouchables,’ and so on, even if all of them can be said to be part of the non-upper caste slot.
Fortunately, it is the very fluidity and flexibility of the so-called Hindu religion, which allowed it to be corrupted by the tensions of racism and creedism, which has the potential today, to set it free from the evils of the rigid caste system. The strong feelings of kinship based on caste may not go, at least not in the near future, but, the religion itself can be purged of caste politics (to a large extent, its already done). AND most importantly, all castes can become equal in the eyes of the law and in practical, social terms. This is also something which is happening very fast, of course, because, we as Indians, helped by the fluidity of the Hindu religion, are choosing to make it happen by taking affirmative action to end the caste system.
I can tell you — had this happened in a society dominated by any other religion, any change would have been filled with immense blood shed, if at all possible.
E.g., if Islam at the time of its formation, would have been faced with the issue of different ethnicities suddenly sharing one land and trying to save their individuality, they would have incorporated it in their religious doctrines, and then you could never have gotten rid of it.
The ground is just ripe in India for abolishing the caste system. For one thing, today, Indians are so intermixed ethnically, that there is hardly any pure ethnicity of anything now. So, the original motivation for maintaining distance from each other is increasingly abating. Even otherwise, a lot of social and political movement is changing things at a fast pace.
Of course, this is not something that the ISI and anti-India elements (which I strongly suspect the author of this article and his supporters to be), do not want to happen. They are interested in exploiting the sense of oppression that the Dalits have felt, and the weaknesses of the old system, to create another area of conflict and extremism, when these weaknesses can be and are being solved through positive action.
This is very similar to what such anti-India elements did in Punjab by inciting the Sikhs — by inventing false tales about how the Sikhs are persecuted by the Hindus … and similarly, they have created trouble in Kashmir by inciting the Muslims there by telling false tales of persecution by so-called “Hindu” India. If the authors seek to overly implicate or rally against Hinduism, while inciting a particular group of people, you can be sure of the ISI involvement.
We as a nation, whether we are Dalits, or Brahmins or Muslims or whatever, should be extremely careful about such anti-India elements and not let them divide us.
Akaula Kaula said
To the extent you said Hinduism is not a religion, you are right. But it is not a spiritual system (what is the word for spiritual in Indian languages?) but a Dharma tradition. What is Dharma is a separate topic.
In traditional society of the past there were three legs of Power.
(1) Political Power, (2) Military Power, and (3) Economic Power.
In traditional India (1) Political Power was with the King and his entourage of Ministers. If you study Indian History most of the Ministers were non-Brahmans, except Rajya Guru.
(2) Military Power was with Xshatriyas and not Brahmans
(3) Economic power was with Vashyas and not Brahmanas.
In fact Manu Simriti dictates Brahmanas to be poor. Most of this community lived on Alms collected by their pupil from the adjoining Villages.
Thsi should tell any thinking person that (1) Brahmanas did not have power to force exploitation (2) Even if some had the very dictates of live in poverty would remove the motivation for exploitation. For if they exploited they should have been rich. But every where you see, the Brahmana is refered as “Daaridra Brahmana”. So they statement that Brahmanas exploited systematically falls flat. But then we can’t help people who choose to rely on history written by colonialists and Marxists.
So enjoy your colonial narration.
fallen monk said
I don’t know why so many brahmins (in fact , hindus) took the effort of checking this link out even though the URL of this blog contains the word “dalit”.These hindus are taking lots of interest in dalits , adivasis and other minorities nowadays.I am sure they are associated with some right wing fascist hindu organizations like RSS , and , being brainwashed by the religion as well as the organization , have the motive of weakening the dalit ideology.
Retaliation by the dalits (the oppressed) is inevitable when the hindus have been oppressing us since ages.There is a limit to the patience of any human being.Why are these hindus surprised now?
I request my brethren – all who stand for equality , including the dalits – that we must not let our determination be weakened by these cowardice tactics of the hindus.
Akaula Kaula said
That is because we have given up on you yet. We know you are victim of colonial historical narration. As I said earlier, you will continue to be used, currently by Missionary or Mullah, and in the past by your own admission by Brahman. Who knows when you will come out of images of Victim hood.
fallen monk said
I came across a post by a gentleman claiming to be a shudra and yet supporting the Hindu structure.This is not surprising as he is a Hindu at the end of the day.He is happy being in the bottom of the hindu social ladder and , perhaps , is unaware that the reverred manusmriti is harshest on him and his brethren.Such sudras are even more dangerous than the brahmins themselves.They are bootlickers of the “upper” caste hindus and are happy being in the position they are.
It is better to ignore such boot-lickers.
Naveen Rudriah said
I am a dalit and I belong to a Scheduled Caste community of Karnataka. I am in the state administrative service. I am involved in some dalit organizations and we work for the upliftment for dalits and their rights. Our families are staunch Hindus since many many generations. Our family deity is Marikamba of Banvasi and have ties with the temple trust since generations. There are many in our families who are in government service and we are being forced from so called dalit leaders to fight against Hinduism and become Christians, Muslims or Budhists. I have been personally asked by some so called dalit christians to come and join christianity and abuse hinduism and I have been promised many financial benefits. I know of many of my friends and relatives who are dalits who have also been asked these things. I was educated in the Ramakrishna mission and I hold Swami Vivekanada and Mahatma Gandhi as some of my Idols.It was Mahatma Gandhi who stopped the animal sacrifice in Marikamba temple in Banavasi. I have great regards for Babasaheb Ambedkar and agree with him in all counts except on the fact of ridiculing hinduism. Hinduism like other religions had / has many evils. But it is a great religion and gives utmost importance to spirituality and humanism. All the abuse heaped by these so called dalits cannot change this relaity of Hinduism. What is important is to understand that we are all one human race and not create more divisions.
I have interacted with many many brahmins and other so called upper caste and have never been discriminated or anything. Most of them don’t even know what manusmrithi is. Infact it is the others who know more about manusmrithi than brahmins. I have always been on an equal footing with everyone. I don’t believe in caste and all that non sense. I have also not been subjected to any discrimination. But I know that dalits have been discriminated for generations but just abusing Hinduism due to some vested intrest is very dangerous for our country. ALso dalits have been discriminated not just by Hindus but by christians and muslims also. One more thing most Dalits know is that it is these so called savoirs of Dalits who belong to OBC and BC castes who have exploited dalits more than Brahmins. I know many Brahmins among my teachers and they have been the most ideal people with highest human values that I have ever seen in my life. There are many anti-national forces who are now mascarading as saviors of dalits. Their only agenda is to denigrate Hinduism, disintegrate india and convert people to islam and christianity. I have been approached by many organizations to work for them as we have a strong support in North and central karnataka. Some of these organizations are dangerous and they have anti national agenda. In Karnataka we have the Dalit Sangarshana Samithi, Joseph D Souza of Indian Christian council who hide themselves as Dalit freedom network and dalit voice of V.T.Rajashekar. It should also be understood that most of these people like V.T. Rajashekar, Joseph D SOuza and Kancha Iliaih are not dalits. V.T.Rajashekar is a shetty, Joseph D Souza is a goan christian and D souza’s are all converted to christianity from brahmins during portugese rule. Kancha Iliaih is from the Kuruma community and not a dalit. So all these people talking about are not from any oppressed caste. I know from some close associates that they have ties with terrorist organizations and dalit empowerment id just a mask they use. Some of the people in my family converted to buddhism as shown by babasaheb but the irony is they are only buddhists politically and they are hindus by all standards. and another funny thing is every year in october and december they again reconvert to buddhism in political functions. We need to be wary of all these forces who are trying to garner our support and use us to further some anti national agendas.
Indopilia said
@Fallen Monk –
“” don’t know why so many brahmins (in fact , hindus) took the effort of checking this link out even though the URL of this blog contains the word “dalit”.””
I don’t think you know how to read. The caption of the article says “Aishwarya Rai victim of brahmin conspiracy”. So brahmins like me are just curious what this great conspiracy is. As it turns out we realize that people who have wrriten this and people like you who support it are absolute morons who talk about all high sounding words. Can there be anything more ridiculous than this article. All that stuff like Aishwarya Rai being prevented from marrying salman khan and all that. I initially encountered this article while searching for Bollywood conspiriacies. When i read it the first time I thought this is some kind of satire and then I realised that this fellow who wrote this is quite serious. Can there be anything more ridiculous than this article. Also this blog has nothing much to do with Dalits and just bashes Brahmins without any rhyme or reason. It should be appropriately titled ‘Brahmin Bashing Nation’.
Also you make unfounded claims like “Social Hierarch and conrol in hinduism. Can you tell me one single organization or a group of organizations like your muslim or christian establishments that Hindus have and who belive in the caste system and controlling and maintaining it. Basically the caste hierarchies do not have any central control and it is more like to each his own.
Kavyyaa said
Are we in 21st century? Why more and more people go after religions and Gods?
Dilip Muralidaran said
“Hinduism is complete bullshit.It is alone the most prominent factor for the pathetic, underdeveloped and corrupt condition of India , as it is now.For Indian to develop , hinduism must be rooted out from here.”
– fallen monk, your claims are baseless. If rooting out religion is the answer to everything (although im glad to root out all religion since im an atheist myself) then Christianity and Islam should go first. Both these religions claim the no believers to be infidels and claim everyone should be converted by any means possible, either by persuasion or by force (read as kill if not converted).
While i agree hinduism is complete bullshit its certainly better shit compared to the former two i mentioned. Christianity and Islam both of them do not consider a female perspective of god. God is all male to them, rules are made by men and for men, women have nothing and are more or less cattle.
At least in this perspective hinduism has millions of female dieties and claims every being is equally man and woman and represent both. For this reason alone Hinduism is a better evil than male chauvinistic Christianity and Islam.
Shariat laws can kill women if even they suspect adultery, no need to prove. Similarly the Book of Genesis claims the Woman is under the man and is his will.
Although Hinduism also has the devadasi system this is a 1000 year old practice that does not exist anymore. Manu scripts are things people even dont know exist today. Any religion (despite the evil) that does not force itself on others by any means is good enough. We live in a egalitarian society. Nobody has the right to force anything on us. Not even Christ or Mohammed.
fallen monk said
Why are the hindus dragging other religions into the discussion?Some are even giving long explanations of how and why other religions are so inferior to hinduism?I am not surprised however.Since , hindus do not have any knowledge of their scriptures and religion , it is inevitable that they will be interested to comment about other religions.It is not uncommon for a hindu to bash Islam and christianity and praise his/her own religion as the greatest and truest?Neither me nor any other dalit in this blog has even mentioned the name of Islam and christianity.Who cares what other religions preach?It isn’t worth replying them.
However , there is one post by a supposed dalit , as he claims himself to be , which intrigues me the most.He is proud of belonging to a religion , the scriptures of which clearly state his position with that of the animals.In fact , some animals like cow are given much better position than him and his brethren.The hindus have only given him derogatory terms like “achhut” , “mleccha” , “chandala” etc etc.Such people are far more dangerous than the oppressors themselves.He claims that since , after serving their “upper” caste masters , he has never been discriminated , that means that no dalit is being oppressed.I request my brethren to be wary of such venoms in their endeavor to live with pride and dignity.
Shankara said
I am a brahmin and a practising brahmin and since this whole site is avowedly anti brahimin It is incumbent on me to reply on these idiotic subjects written by this acidhead who claims to be representing Dalits and a so called dalit nation and also respond to ‘Fallen Monk’. First this is an extremely idiotic article and quite comical also (aishwarya rai, abhishek bachan and salman khan and all that stuff). That this post is getting so much importance and even respect from this guy called ‘Fallen Monk’ shows the extent to which anti-Hindu propoganda and Hindu bashing has stooped into. Can it get more absurd than this.
Fallen monk says “Why are the hindus dragging other religions into the discussion?Some are even giving long explanations of how and why other religions are so inferior to hinduism?”
Why other religions are dragged into discussion is because under the guise of Dalits these proselytizing religions are encouraging a malicious campaign against Hindus and Hinuduism. Just look at the dalit nation site and they have explicitly stated their love of these other religions and also their aim is to convert all Hindus into these religions. They have also pitted Hindusims Vis a Vis other proselytizing religions as if all these religions are paragons of virtue. Ever heard of slave trade, crusades and burning witches.
Fallen Monk says “Since , hindus do not have any knowledge of their scriptures and religion”
This is an old evangelical and mulla claim on Hinduism. Practising Hindus are highly knowledgeable about their religion and scriptures. Hindus also place a very high regard on scriptural scholarship. But unfortunately for people like ‘Fallen Monk’ these scriptures he talk about are the scriptures that evangelists and mullahs appropriate on Hinduism. Hinduism unlike the semetic religions have many different scriptures and not one single body of work like Quran or bible. The idea that Hindus don’t have knowledge of their religion is a old propoganda created first by the Muslim invaders and strengthened by the british. The knowledge of Hindu scriptures according to these people should only be confined to Manusmrithi ( a smrithi of several hundred verses out of which 6 of these verses describe caste system and oppression on women) and a few other texts they themselves use to define Hinduism. This is the same propoganda which the so called dalit movement also plays with and uses it as their philosophical foundation. Manusmrithi’s high importance in the hindu scriptural tradition was created by the British and they excluded all the other Hindu scriptures like the vedas, vedanta, agama, yoga, sankya and tantras. The fact that your phislosophical masters confine Hinduism to only one single smrithi (remember smrithi as against shruthi is inferior and can be overridden) shows your profound ignorance of Hinduism. Also for your information the most popular Hindu scriptures were authored and revealed by Dalits. Ever heard of Veda Vyasa and Valmiki. Also Hindu scriptures are not confined to sanskrit scriptures but also have the teachings of innumerable number of gurus and traditions in vernacular languages. As a practising brahmin I can tell you the scriptures we refer in our traditions and (unfortunately for you and the other hindu bashers) Manu Smrithi does not figure prominently in this. If you want to know more about Brahmin practices you can contact me and I will give you a first hand account on our practices and beliefs. This is an unchanged tradition since several centuries going across to millenia. Every day as a brahmin I pray and practice ‘Lokaha samsthaha sukino bavanthu’ that is the well being of all sentient beings.
You say “It is not uncommon for a hindu to bash Islam and christianity and praise his/her own religion as the greatest and truest?”
As a matter of fact it is quite uncommon for Hindus to bash Islam and christianity as against how the latter religions do to Hinduism. Just observe and see all the popular mass movements of Hinduism and you will find they are inclusive of all religions and speak and practice ‘sarva dharma samadhbhava’. Also you won’t find any mass movement of Hinduism which supports caste system. Just name one of them. If you find such a one you won’t have any trouble to get all the hindus including the so called upper, lower and middle caste who will fight against it. That you find that Caste system is an inseparable part of Hinduism shows your ignorance of Hinduism and also shows the extent and the roots of how you identify with a propoganda created by the British in the 1800’s. Hindus bashing christinity and Islam is a reaction against the vicious and high sounding campaign these religions have made against Hinduism. The fact that you only find Hindus bashing islam and christianity is that your experience of Hinduism is confined only to those spaces of inter religious conflict (like the current website). It is a big world out there. Just go and see.
Also it is implicit in your post that Hindus should remain silent when abused. How has this belief come about – the image of the tolerant and submissive hindu so submissive even to the extent of even denying himself or herself the right to assert his beliefs and identity. This is because of the centuries of political oppression on Hindus. Why does Muslims and Christians find it a problem if a Hindu just claims that he is a Hindu and asserts his identity. Ever wonder why?
Also your call for dalits to dissociate from Hinduism shows your highest ignorance.There are many hindu temples owned controlled and run by dalits. I know and visit many of them. The majority of dalits you talk about are staunch hindus. My one simple question and a question asked by some people on this article is – who is controlling the caste system. Please tell us that central organization(s) who are doing this. Is it the Brahmins? India has a constitution and also civil codes for Hindus, Muslims and chrstians. Your argument is just a ‘strawman argument’ against the Brahmins. Since when did Brahmins ever get political power in India. India was ruled by Kshatriyas, Jains, Buddhists, Muslims, Rajputs, Marathas, Portugese, Dutch, French and British in its long history. There were many rulers from Backward castes and dalits. It is only as a result of democracy some brahmins could be elected to power in independent india since 1947. This was through a legitimate and democratic process. All these brahmins fought against the caste system and other practices. Have you ever heard of Jawaharlal Nehru and Krishna Menon. Give me an instance when these people supported caste system. Even some teachers of Ambedkar, Joythi Phule and Narayan Guru who encouraged them to fight against the caste system and social ills were Brahmins. Ambedkar himself has acknowleged this. Brahmins have been the most progressive people in this country as compared to many other communities and they have been unfairly maligned. There has always been class struggles in every feudal soceity and India is no exception. Europe, China and the arab world are no exceptions for this, they have had higher degrees of genocide, racial abuse and slavery as compared to India. Abusing Hinduism for these fuedal practices is absolute nonsense.
Hindusim and India has had several reform movements to correct the social evils like untouchability and violence. We had great reformers from Bassavanna, Ramanuja to vivekanada and Gandhi who were opposed to all the social evils and stood for a Humanitarian and a just world. Also their reforms were firmly rooted in Hindu values and they had a timelessness about them. They even cut across religious barriers as they spoke of eternal values of sanatana dharma. Your unwillingness to see this and just abuse Hinduism shows your extraordinary stupidity. Tell me one popular modern Hindu religious mass leader who has called Dalits as Achut and untouchables and called for oppression of dalits. There are none. There are many modern Hindu leaders from dalit backgrounds who have large followings across all Hindus and spiritual people of other religions. Ever heard of Mata Amritananda Mayi. Just repeating a lie again and again does not become truth.
fallen monk said
First of all , let me tell you that I am not associated with dalit nation.I have also acknowledged in one of my earlier posts that this article is , indeed , quite exaggerated.Nevertheless , it does have some truth in it.
It is not necessary to “love” one religion to bash another.I (don’t know about dalit nation) condemn hinduism for reasons , without actually being biased towards others.Almost all religions have inflicted tyranny on people.
It is true , however , that most hindus have no knowledge of their scriptures.Your case is quite exceptional , as you happen to be a brahmin , the keeper of the scriptures.And even among brahmins there are only few left who are having even little knowledge about the scriptures.
You are quite paradoxical , as you write a long passage showing the little significance of caste system in hinduism , but at the same time state that you are a practicing “brahimin” (i.e belonging to a caste).I stand for complete eradication of castes and caste system.I am sure you , being a hypocrite , wouldn’t want castes to be dissolved.The fact that some epics are authored by dalits doesn’t make them immune to discrimination and oppression.The reality is that dalits are considered “untouchables” , “low” , “impure” etc in the minds of caste hindus , no matter if the constitution forbids it.The way you mention evils of other religions like slavery , witchcraft etc makes it sound like a justification of caste system.Who cares what other religions are infliciting on its “followers”?You say that class system and oppression has existed in almost all parts of the globe.But there is one more fact that you should keep deep in your mind so that you never forget : because of this oppression there has always been a rebellion too to overthrow the older system.
You ask who is controlling the caste system?But your efforts in depicting yourself as an innocent are too weak.You know very well , being a brahmin , that castes exist in the mind of every hindu and although no one directly reads the scriptures that profess such practices , but every hindu learns it from his elders about caste and how it should be practiced.Every hindu father passes these “values” to his son.
Even your brahmin brethren have different opinions about caste nowadays.Some justify it using genes , impurity etc , some are little apologetic , some are hypocrites like you who deny any importance of caste system but are staunch followers, some proudly practice it.But there is one thing common among you all.That you all do follow caste system and this is deeply engraved in your minds.
Throw away your ignorance that dalits require other religions to thwart hinduism.Many , like me , being atheists , religionless , do not require any religion to fight caste system (read hinduism) and its followers.And also remember , this fight is not only for oppression it is also for misinformation about religion , gods , tradition etc that you spread and have spread since ages.
Kavyyaa said
stop all this nonsense about caste and dat too in the 21st century…….. aishwarya is not the only beautiful lady as there are more beautiful girls from different religions in manglaore from all religions…..bunts stop boasting using aishwarya shilpa and sunil………….. brahmins stop discriminating and billavas stop being conservative and backward and bunts are rich only by boating and doin all the underworld work as all the dons come form bunts
ga kunder said
hi
i am from udupi, i like reading , as per my knowlege bunts,billavas and mogaveera from udupi are lowercaste people, right now bunts are financialy strong they and bramans making them feel they fallen from sky,because bramans other places are resrved for other caste(like,mouth,nabi,feet), now billavas and mogaveeras also becoming strong, what catagoery bramanas put them let’s see, and poor koragas routhlessley beaten by bramanas for centurys still messing with life. Is contacting V.T. Rajashekar is legel, i heard he was arrested on 1986 for antinationalist activites. i am nationalist. but i like to email him beacause he is from native place.can you provide me his email id.
Kavyyaa said
well i do agree with you but this dominating community of bunts should stop boasting and do publicity and each bunt says i’m proud to be a bunt…. Thnak god we were never born int he bunt religion where u have take a loan and get your daughters married according to the qualifcation of the guys.All bunt men are big fucking bastards , they flirt around and when they have to get married will go back to their religions and get married to their gals I’m not against them as i do have lots of bunts friends but then they have to change their attitude and if they see any goodlooking beautiful gal they say she is a bunt. Brahmins are smart calculating and the cunning peopleas they dunno what a religion is discriminating people till today and no doubt dats’ why hinduism is becoming smaller as all are getting converted to other religions
Samiksha.shetty said
Lol……madam ur comment is fair enough…. But i have correction to make,its not that u donn wanna b a bunt its just that u r aware of the fact that u can nvr b one…..bcz as all bunts say ‘vr lucky to b bunts’….sooo btr luck nxt tym miss kavya.
bhaskar shetty said
mr kunder,as per your knowledge,your knowledge is very weak,before writing anything nonsense kindly confirm the correctness of your knowledge
Shankara said
“You are quite paradoxical , as you write a long passage showing the little significance of caste system in hinduism , but at the same time state that you are a practicing “brahimin” (i.e belonging to a caste).I stand for complete eradication of castes and caste system”.
Fallen Monk read my post properly before commenting.Where have I condoned the caste system. In fact I also stand for the complete eradication of caste and caste system.
My being a brahmin has nothing to do with caste system. I have strong scriptural foundations in the Hindu vedic traditions which support it. Do you know that the definition of a brahmin as per the vedas – ‘Brahmin means one who strives to know Brahman – or truth’. Even the Bhagavad Gita the most widely respected book of Hindus uphold that the Brahmin is based on Guna (Psychological inclinations and qualities) and Karma (the kind of work a person does) and not on birth. What is wrong with being a brahmin. My being a brahmin has no reference to anyone or is not disparaging of any community. It is a spiritual path I follow. Also the spiritual path teaches me discipline, love of all people and overcoming my conditionings and shortcomings.
You say “Even your brahmin brethren have different opinions about caste nowadays.Some justify it using genes , impurity etc , some are little apologetic , some are hypocrites like you who deny any importance of caste system but are staunch followers, some proudly practice it. You ask who is controlling the caste system?But your efforts in depicting yourself as an innocent are too weak.You know very well , being a brahmin , that castes exist in the mind of every hindu and although no one directly reads the scriptures that profess such practices , but every hindu learns it from his elders about caste and how it should be practiced.Every hindu father passes these “values” to his son.”
You talk as if you represent and know the opinion of all Brahmins. Can you atleast give references of organisations of brahmins who have claimed any of these things. I have read the literature and speeches of the brahmana sabhas both in India and the US and nowhere have they spoken about the things you talk about. You are just good at throwing baseless arguements. I wonder who is a hypocrite. You just parrot and repeat the same accusations on the Brahmins as said by Islamists, evangelists, marxists and vicious subalterns like this dalit nation. Calling me a hypocrite is an ad hominem argument and has no logical basis. That you repeat that caste system is synonymous with Hinduism shows your ignorance of Hinduism and the extent to which you believe in the propoganda created by you know who. You haven’t been able to answer a simple question of how brahmins could oppress people without any political power. Your words are filled with lies and malicious propoganda. How do you know that every Hindu father passes all these so called values to his son. It is similar to the arguments of Kancha Ilaiah has made in his book that every Hindu father and Mother are vicious people.
Your argument as I have repeated earlier is based on creating a strawman out of Brahmins. It is quite similar to accusing all Christians of all times and places of burning witches and murdering people in crusades. It is also quite similar to accusing all muslims of spreading their brand of religion through conquests and pillaging of civilizations and also accusing all Muslims as Suicide bombers. Can I also accusse you who are an atheist for creating the pograms killing millions and millions of people in the atheistic communist goverments of Stalin and Pol pot. Obviously that would be a ridicoulous accusation. So is your tirade against Hindus and brahmins.
It is my fundamental right to follow my spiritual practice as long as it falls within and complies with the democratic and humanitarian values enshrined in our constitution. And your call to fight and destroy Hinduism is fascist and vicious and against the fundamental right of religion enshrined in the constitution of India.
Infact Hinduism as a religion has a strong atheistic and agnostic tradition within itself. There have been atheists and materialists like Charvaka and the lokayathas and atheistic philosophies like Sankya. Your avowed aim of destroying religion and converting everyone to your brand of atheism can be best acheived if you concentrate your energies towards the two strong monotheistic proselytizing religions of Christianity and Islam. Hindusim infact is a politically weak and non proselytizing religion and is no threat to your atheistic beliefs as compared to christianity and islam. Obviously you wouldn’t have the guts to do that as you are content in attacking the strawman Hindus and Hinduism without knowing even the bare minimum of its teachings. Wonder who is a hypocrite.
fallen monk said
Let me begin my reply to you with your definition of the brahmin : “Brahmin means someone who strives to know Brahman”.This definition is given in the upanishads and not the vedas.The oldest reference to varna system is in the Rig veda wherein the four classes are said to have emerged from purusha-suktha.Being a brahmin , you must be aware of it too.Along with it there are various smritis (like manusmriti) , brahmanas etc , which although were written well after Buddhism had already been established as a major religion , which gave detailed exposition of castes and duties , with exclusice rights being given to the brahmins and down upto the sudras in decreasing “ranks” (notice that there was no “oucaste”).Bhagwat Gita’s verse that you have shown is merely a restatement of this division only with an additional reason attached to this division.Bhagwat Gita was also written in the time when Jainism and Buddhism were far more widespread than the vedic religion.
The concept of “karma” , “re-incarnation and incarnation” , “vegetarianism” etc is not even mentioned in the vedas.I challenge you if you could show me any verse , among the millions , in the first three vedas which even mention terms like “karma” or “re-incarnation”.I can’t comment on the fourth one , as it was written in the post-Buddha period and also I am not well acquainted with it.Coming back to the definition of Brahmin , which emerges from the upanishads and most likely written in the post-Buddha period , would you yourself , being a brahmin (by birth) , consider more authentic than that of the vedas themselves?
So much so for the scriptures , even if the scriptures didn’t contain such horrific verses agains humanity, this wouldn’t change the current (and past) reality – that which dalits had to suffer for so long and continue to suffer.
You gave example of athiest stalin and nazi christian and claim that all brahmins are not oppressive.I don’t know what kind of brahmin you are.Even if you never discriminated against any of “lower” castes in your life , your case would still be that of an atheist stalin who is not representative of all atheists.There may be few brahmins who are modern in thinking , but most still remain oppressive and suffer from extraordinary superiority complex.To be frank , I have nothing against brahmins , as already I don’t believe in caste system.In fact , I would rather support the preservation of Brahminic culture which is dying in this modern age (modernization and rationality is against brahminicism)
, as most brahmins are moving west.As it is they are so few in numbers , so it hardly matters what Brahmins alone practice.
But I cannot tolerate the casteism and oppression coming from the hindus towards my brothers and sisters.This hinduism is a result of Brahminism and so , to eradicate caste system (Hinduism) we have no choice but to strike at its heart – brahminism.
Don’t remind me again and again of Christianity and Islam.I know they too are shit , just like Hinduism.
happyhindu said
Thanks Shankara. Your writing is much admired.
All I have realized everywhere is that religion is a tool of social and political manipulation.
Theoretically speaking, religion is fixed within certain boundry lines of faith; and adhering to a religion itself means non-acceptance of other forms of faith / other schools of thot (naturally ‘growth’ becomes limited / ceases to exist in these cases).
Sanatana is not exactly a religion — it is an amalgamation of various philosophies — it allows us to ponder and grow spiritually — it has always been about the “growth of the mind” (brahman: brah – grow, man – mind) and attaining the nirvikalpa samadhi as the ultimate; and contributing to civilization / science, etc along the way.
However, outfits like dalitnation and people like Kancha Iliah are so supportive of theoretical religion (with Kancha openly supporting evangelism), that their credibility comes under cloud.
A brahman has always been a man of austerity not of birth. After buddhism, it just became a tradition to pass on the baton from father to son — as a means to keep the vedic schools of thot (encompassing theism, agnosticsm and even atheism) alive.
A hindu needs a brahmin as much as a brahmin needs a hindu. Its not about reinforcing ‘casteism’ but about keeping sanatana going.
Shankara said
@Fallen Monk – A long response to you
Let me begin my reply to you with your definition of the brahmin : “Brahmin means someone who strives to know Brahman”.This definition is given in the upanishads and not the vedas.
The Upanishads are called vedanta meaning the culmination of vedas. They are not opposed to Vedas and are very much a part of them but unlike the Karma Kanda’ of the vedas which is based on rituals the upanishads termed as Jnana Kanda bring about a reformed form of metaphysical knowledge. This again shows the reformatory elements even in the very beginning of the Brahmin tradition. The oldest reference to the four varnas are in Purusha Suktha. Again the description of purusha suktha is highly symbolic of the purusha with sub divisions of social occupations as related to the bodily parts of the metaphorical Purusha. Can you give me one instance in Rig Veda where varna is mentioned as inherited through heredity. The sociological classification of four varnas mentioned in the Rig Veda is true to any society in the world past, present and future. Don’t we have White collared, Blue collared and all kinds of classifications of workers in the modern day world say in New york or California state. Also for your information there are references in the Upanishads mocking the hereditary classification of varnas wherein the Upanishadic gurus have accepted disciples cutting across caste, class and gender divides. Also remember all this was 3000 years ago. The upanishads have been dated by most historians (even of the left, centre and imperial) to be around 500 – 800 BC. The brahminical cannon has undergone several reformations and redefinitions since then ; primarily due to the efforts of the three latter day acharyas Shankara, madhva and Ramanuja. Brahmins of all denominations consider Vedanta, Brahma Sutras and Bhagwad Gita as the three important canons of their knowledge and practice. All these are derivates of the Vedas and are called as Prasthana Traya.
Also the caste system in present day India has nothing to do with Vedas much less Vedanta and chaturvarna classification is not evidenced in India other than the conjectures and hypothesis of sociologists with vested interests on this communal and social phenomenon. We now have hundreds and thousands of castes based on historical community and heriditary inheritance. We have every other caste (read community) claiming to be superior than the other. For example the Bunts are a trading community (or caste) have european and mediterranian genetic links which came about through the naval trade in coastal south India. The genetic studies on Bunts have confirmed this. Bunts are a highly exclusive group and they do not encourage inter mingling with other communties w.r.t marriage. It is the same in case of the Parsi community in india. That is one reason why you find caste even in Christian and Muslim communities in India. In India caste is not endemic to Hinduism alone. Caste and social stratification have solidified because of occupational identity and a response to political instability due to invasions. Caste had proved to be a survival mechanism in medeival India.
Bhagwat Gita was also written in the time when Jainism and Buddhism were far more widespread than the vedic religion.
The Bhagavad Gita could have been written at a later date than Buddha and Mahavira but in theology there are no elements of Buddhism and Jainism in Bhagwad Gita and the Gita is a text which is an amalgamation and synthesis of Sankya, Vedanta of Upanishads and the yoga of patanjali. There is no reference to say the non-self doctrine of buddhists or the anekantavada of Jainism in the Gita. Anyway what are you trying to prove by providing the dating of Bhagavad Gita. There is no conclusive proof from any of the historians on the dates of this scripture. Why should this date matter to you. Does it cause any trouble to your statements that the Bhagavad Gita talks about timeless spiritual truths and you want to ascribe these beliefs to the influence of Jainism and Buddhism.
The concept of “karma” , “re-incarnation and incarnation” , “vegetarianism” etc is not even mentioned in the vedas.I challenge you if you could show me any verse , among the millions , in the first three vedas which even mention terms like “karma” or “re-incarnation”.I can’t comment on the fourth one , as it was written in the post-Buddha period and also I am not well acquainted with it.
Karma, reincarnation and vegetarianism is not mentioned in the karma kanda of the Vedas true. What about it. But in the Jnana Khanda of the Vedas (Upanishads- Vedanta) we have several verses talking about these (not vegetarianism though). Also historians agree that Upanishads were before much before Buddhism. The Buddha mentions the belief of Atma (the Self – Brahman, Atman expounded in Upanishads) and he gives a rebuttal on this atman. So there was certainly this knowledge and system very much in place. Regarding Vegetarianism in the modern world, the Jains and Brahmins have the highest number of Vegetarians as compared to any community. As a Brahmin I practice and treasure this practice of Vegetarianism as highly ethical, humanitarian and compassionate towards the whole of existence. Do you find this as a problem? Is there something wrong in Vegetarianism?
Coming back to the definition of Brahmin , which emerges from the upanishads and most likely written in the post-Buddha period
Certainly not. Buddha as a matter of fact has referenced the definition of Brahmin and this is existent in many of the Buddhist sutras. Buddha criticized the bad practices of Brahmins during his times and also highlighted the real and better aspects of Brahmins. If you need to know more about this check out Buddhist sutras like Annatara Brahmana Sutta, Cankii Sutta, Janussoni Brahmana Sutta and even the Dhammapada in the canto of the brahmin. Don’t tell that these were doctored by the Brahmins as these form part of the tripitaka pali canon – the essential teachings of Buddha. There are many other references Sutras in the tipitaka pali cannon talking about Brahman and Brahmins. So it is absolute nonsense that the definition of Brahmin came from the post Buddhistic period. You are probably reading too much of subaltern writings which is considered trash by legitimate historians. That Buddhism is opposed to so called Brahminism is again a myth perpetrated by these psuedo subaltern historians and scholars. Their argument can be blown to bits even using recorded Buddhist History by Buddists themselves. Majority of the disciples of Buddha were brahmins – subuthi, mahakashyapa and many others. Even the latter day Buddhist scholars like Nagarjuna, Nagasena, Bodhidharama, Padmasambhava, Ashvagosha and many many others were Brahmins. Essentially Buddhism was a monastic order which had its members from many communities and Brahmins were also part of it and also it is evident from Buddhist writings that Buddhism and brahmins always peacefully co-existed.
That Brahmins borrowed vegetarianism from Jains and Buddhists is again a myth. Before the advent of Mahavira and the Buddha there were Shramanas who comprised of ascetics and who were mainly Brahmins. They were vegetarians and lived on raw fruits, vegetables and nuts. Buddha himself practiced austerities under these people from the age of 29 – 35. Says who – Buddhists themselves. The origin of Vegetarianism can be probably traced to the Sankhya classification of Sattwa, Rajas and Tamas. However this is not conclusive. Buddhism also was influenced by Sankhya. Even Dr. Ambedkar acknowledges the prominance of Sankhya and its influence on Buddhism in his baseless and fictional book of ‘Buddha and his Dharma’.
So much so for the scriptures , even if the scriptures didn’t contain such horrific verses agains humanity, this wouldn’t change the current (and past) reality – that which dalits had to suffer for so long and continue to suffer.
In what way are Brahmins responsible for the horrific conditions of Dalits. Brahmins were never in power since many many centuries. I am not mentioning that there were no atrocities commited by the so called upper castes on lower castes and Brahmins were flawless. But Brahmins being landless people never had much clout. Also in the current situation that you are talking about where do the Brahmins have power in India. In fact they are discriminated for perceived wrongs. They have been denied entry to educational and goverment institutions in this process of reverse discrimination. A dalit in india has all the privileges. Of course in villages where they are in dire poverty they cannot even exercise them. But who is responsible for this poverty? People who have looted India since ages.
And who owns land and resources in India – it is the so called OBCs. Even the oppurtunistic BSP who supposedly represent dalits acknowledged this fact. So get your facts straight before talking about oppression and atrocities. Even in the atrocities on Dalits in the recent Khailranji, Jajjhar etc it was the OBCs who were involved. Brahmins were never in the picture but still the colonial hangoverof blame it on the brahmin continues. The only reason Brahmins came to the forefront and could advance themselves was due to the fact that they easily adapted to the english education in 1800’s. The british used them as clerks. Hence you found Brahmins being more educated. Later from the mid of the 18th century it was the Brahmins who led the struggle for the freedom from the imperial rule. These people who fought for freedom could not stand the exploitation of the British and the looting of the resources and the oppression of the British rule. Dr. Ambedkar for example always connived with the British and never fought for the freedom of the country.
I am not a spokesperson of all the brahmins and like every other castes they have had bad practices and been exclusivists and practiced untouchability and restricted dalits from temple entry. These wrongs have been rectified through several reform movements by raja ram mohan roy, Vidyasagar and many others. Our modern constitution framed by constituent assembly chaired by Dr Ambedkar had many members from the Brahmin community. Dr Ambedkar himself has acknowledged this in his speech in parliament. And this constitution gives the freedom of right to religion. A person like you with fascist inclinations might not believe in these values but they are enshrined in the constitution nevertheless.
There may be few Brahmins who are modern in thinking, but most still remain oppressive and suffer from extraordinary superiority complex.
Again what is your proof on this. How few? Have you done any study? Brahmins can be seen in most progressive endeavors in India and abroad. They have been in the forefront of social reform, scientific thought and arts in India. Want proof? Every community feels proud of its achievements so does brahmins. Even different families have this feeling. What’s your problem with this. And the only reaction you can muster against the Brahmins is hurl baseless abuses on them.
I would rather support the preservation of Brahminic culture which is dying in this modern age (modernization and rationality is against brahminicism), as most brahmins are moving west.As it is they are so few in numbers , so it hardly matters what Brahmins alone practice.
If it hardly matters why are you so bothered about Brahmins and abusing them. In fact Brahmins have adapted to Modernity and Rationalization much more than any other community. Again you make unsubstantial and baseless arguments. The greatest of western philosophers from Immanuel Kant, Neitsche and Schopanhuer have been influenced by the reason in the Brahminical scriptures. What makes you think Westernization is spoiling Hindu culture. Maybe you are not aware of the cultural influence of Hindus in the west through Yoga and Vedanta.
This hinduism is a result of Brahminism and so , to eradicate caste system (Hinduism) we have no choice but to strike at its heart – brahminism.
You know nothing of Hinduism or Brahminism other than writings of some subaltern writers and you are in no firm position to strike at Hinduism least of all at its heart. Only thing you can indulge is in false propoganda. Hinduism is not just Brahminism it is a synthesis and conglomoerate of many different belief systems. Ever heard of Bhakti Movement in Hinduism. This in fact is the prevalent Hindu belief system in India and this had mostly non-brahmins contributing and continuing the tradition. Looks like you are poorly read on the Hindu society, culture and beliefs. And Hindus are 82 % of India’s population and Brahmins among them are 4%. So how confident are you when you are singing the death song of Hinduism. It looks like you have no first hand experience of India or its society. Do you know how prevalent Hinduism is in India? And this Hinduism is not the caste system you are talking about but the essential belief system of Hindus. Obviously as you yourself admitted you don’t have much knowledge in these areas and just content in referring to information from blogs such as these and subaltern writings of fringe elements. As someone mentioned in his critic to hindu bashers like Kancha Ilaiah – Anger is no substitute for substance. This applies to you as well.
happyhindu said
Fallenmonk, I believe this was meant for me:
|| I came across a post by a gentleman claiming to be a shudra and yet supporting the Hindu structure.This is not surprising as he is a Hindu at the end of the day.He is happy being in the bottom of the hindu social ladder and , perhaps , is unaware that the reverred manusmriti is harshest on him and his brethren.Such sudras are even more dangerous than the brahmins themselves.They are bootlickers of the “upper” caste hindus and are happy being in the position they are. It is better to ignore such boot-lickers. ||
1) What is wrong in being a shudra?
Please read the Rudra laghunyasam. Who is God and who are you? Padayor Vishnu stishtathu (Vishnu lies in the feet) — meaning complete surrender at Mahavishnu’s feet is the way to the light (hari) and it is only after this surrender that one can realize Prajnane Brahma stishtathu (growth of the mind comes from cognitive acuity). It is metaphorical and wud mean that a seeker of mental growth / asamprajnata samadhi wud first need to surrender himself / herself at the source of all light and then go about the way to seek it; for God does not bestow this acuity to a man who still holds on to his ego. Yes, I am happy in my mental surrender to Mahavishnu. Am happier in the sense of Chidananda roopa Shivoham Shivoham (of identifying with the bliss of the self / chitta / consciousness for it is only after this identification that I get to travel to Hari). The intelligent ego is the one that helps one give up the unintelligent ego.
Walking the talk is more important than the mouth that talks. In the past, please note that the doers who defended their faith and gave up their lives (nayaks) were self-declared shudras (or were happy being that since ancient times). They did not consider themselves inferior in anyway to the brahmans, in fact those that were mired with their unintelligent ego considered themselves superior to the preachers / shramans.
2) Are people such as me ‘bootlickers’?
I might just want to throw this back at you and accuse you of being a bootlicker of evangelist organizations that pay you for doing what you do.
Can I bring myself to respect a man just because he is a ‘brahman’ even if he were not to behave like one and wear his vanity on his sleeve — someone who is still hung on his unintelligent ego despite being a so-called brahman? Does that make him a ‘brahman’ at all in the first place and would I be willing to sit with somone like that to seek divinity? Wud all those rituals have any meaning then? Certainly not. It wud be like asking me to respect a man just because he is rich or just because he discovered the atom bomb and therefore decided to be vain. Sorry mate, I would rather respect any man for what he is as a person rather than his birth or abilities.
3) Are hindu scriptures harsh on me?
I agree some are. Perhaps some texts were interpolated with harsh injectors because those that got ‘classified’ as shudras were indeed initially non-vedic people, those that indulged in philosophies rather than rituals, with many given to seeking material wealth and therefore making discoveries along that path rather than traveling along the ascetic / shraman path (resulting in the absence of brahmans amongst them). There are only 2 forms of Lakshmi after all – artha or moksha. The non-vedic people walked the former path, the vedic people took to the later path. Later day integration of idealogies / philosophies and amalgamation of the peoples were and are inevitable. But wud scriptures being harsh or not matter in this day and age? Can such things be followed now? So, how does bad literature matter now? I would rather use viveka (sense of discrimination) to read and decide for myself what I want to follow.
fallen monk said
Firstly , where did my post, that I wrote as a reply to this shankara , go?
Now coming back to this happy hindu , this scripture that you quoted is a , comparatively , very recent development , and would you yourself consider it as more authentic than the vedas , or at least the upanishads?
From your posts , it is apparent that you are a vaishnavite, unlike a shaivite or a tantric.Anyway , I would ignore all your justification of being a “sudra” , because I am talking in accordance with rationality and it would be certainly foolish on my side to convince someone who believes that humans evolved from this “mahavishnu” , rationally.Keep aside all your metaphors that you and your hindu brothers – brahmins – keep inventing to fool the masses , and answer my simple question , why your brahmin brother was showing his hypocrisy by saying that caste by birth is not mentioned in your so-called holy scriptures , whereas you , here , are justifying being a sudra by birth?This hinduism is actually not a religion , in fact.As I already said all non-brahmin hindus are unware of their own scriptures and brahmins like shankara fool people with various metaphors and non-sense written in his scriptures.
Leave aside what is written in the scriptures about caste system , consider what is a reality today , the discrimination and oppression.You yourself claim to be a sudra very proudly , so you know that these divisions are by birth only , regardless of the scriptures.So long as such practices are enjoyed by the hindus , the struggle by dalits and tribals will go on and is inevitable.
Regarding your justification of being a sudra , as you proved that is indeed very honorable to be a sudra , i.e emerging from mahavishnu’s feet , tell me why do the brahmins not consider themselves to have evolved from the feet?Isn’t it really a nice thing to be a product of this vishnu’s dirty feet?You all are hypocrites , especially you shudras.Even now , I am quite sure that you are not a sudra but a brahmin in disguise of sudra.It is not difficult to identify who’s brahmin.You talk like a brahmin.
Even if you are indeed a sudra , it is better you remain so and surrender all your mentality , rationality , ethics , intelligence (if any) to this mahavishnu , and continue being a slave of the brahmins.
dalitnation said
Fallen Monk – Firstly , where did my post, that I wrote as a reply to this shankara , go?
In this website most of the post are approved if it falls within decent limits and language. And I am sure all your posts have fallen in those limits and are approved. Maybe you have lost those posts in some break out sessions during postings.
happyindianhindu said
You got me totally wrong fallenmonk.
|| Now coming back to this happy hindu , this scripture that you quoted is a , comparatively , very recent development , and would you yourself consider it as more authentic than the vedas , or at least the upanishads? ||
Ans: Rudra laghunyasam is not a recent text. It is from the Krishna Yajurved. Please read it.
|| From your posts , it is apparent that you are a vaishnavite, unlike a shaivite or a tantric.Anyway , I would ignore all your justification of being a “sudra” , because I am talking in accordance with rationality and it would be certainly foolish on my side to convince someone who believes that humans evolved from this “mahavishnu||
There is nothing called Vaishnavite or Shaivite. Hari cannot exist without Hara and Hara without Hari. Shiva is the mind, Vishnu the soul. To travel to the soul, one needs to know his / her mind as a medium that serves in the understanding of the chitta / consciousness.
|| ..why your brahmin brother was showing his hypocrisy by saying that caste by birth is not mentioned in your so-called holy scriptures , whereas you , here , are justifying being a sudra by birth? ||
Ans: I never justified anything by birth neither do the sanatana scriptures. Please let me know what did I say that led you to think that way.
||…all non-brahmin hindus are unware of their own scriptures and brahmins like shankara fool people with various metaphors and non-sense written in his scriptures.||
Ans: As a social classification, I am a non-brahmin hindu and I decided to explore the scriptures to decide whether I wanted to be a hindu or not. And before I did this, I tried being a christian, then a muslim, then a buddhist. And before all of that, I was raised by an atheist father and a hindu mother; and therefore the atmosphere I was raised in was predominantly atheist. Do not say non-brahmin hindus are unaware of their scriptures. And Shankara does not need to “fool” people, neither do I. We do not gain in anyway from it.
|| You yourself claim to be a sudra very proudly , so you know that these divisions are by birth only , regardless of the scriptures||
Ans: I did not claim to be proud. To me the definition of a shudra wud be the descendents of skudra – Turvasu – as Yavanas / non-vedic people. They were designated non-vedic due to idealogical differences and got integrated into the vedic system later (mahabharat times supposedly). The scriptural definition of a shudra is “one in pain” — I am not in pain of any sort. True, the divisions were made fixed by birth due to interpolated texts or to ensure continuity of professions.
To judge the past based on present day modern sensibilities would be foolish. In the past it might have not been a bad thing to be a Shudra afterall; or they might have most certianly not wanted to be that. All the inter-caste problems that we have on our hands today is thanks to the pre-colonial missionaries.
Yet, I do not say oppression did not exist. Yes it may have existed. But today technology has taken over. It is foolish to talk about caste in this present day and age.
||…justification of being a sudra , as you proved that is indeed very honorable to be a sudra , i.e emerging from mahavishnu’s feet , tell me why do the brahmins not consider themselves to have evolved from the feet?Isn’t it really a nice thing to be a product of this vishnu’s dirty feet?||
I did not say emerging from the feet of mahavishnu, I said surrendering.
Yes, brahmanas too had to surrender themselves at the feet of divinity or they cud not hope to unwind the kundalini or expand their consciousness thru the sushumna nadi. It just shows that those that did in the past were accorded the spiritual status or social position of a brahman.
Idols of Narayana have Him with a finger pointing at his feet. He does not discriminate between a brahmin or a shudra surrendering at His feet.
|| Even now , I am quite sure that you are not a sudra but a brahmin in disguise of sudra.It is not difficult to identify who’s brahmin.You talk like a brahmin.
Even if you are indeed a sudra , it is better you remain so and surrender all your mentality , rationality , ethics , intelligence (if any) to this mahavishnu , and continue being a slave of the brahmins.||
Ans: Why shd I pretend to be a brahmin in the guise of a shudra or vice-versa. This is laughable. But since you force me to come out with my so-called social classification — am a naidu.
Shankara said
@ Fallen Monk – all non-brahmin hindus are unware of their own scriptures and brahmins like shankara fool people with various metaphors and non-sense written in his scriptures.
Again you are making generalized and baseless statements to cover your ignorance on Hinduism. Hinduism has multitudes of scriptures and reform movements within it. Unlike the Abrahamic religions it does not have a single cannon. Your claim that everything should trace back to the Vedas and that every Hindu holds Vedas as supereme is also not accurate. There are several Hindu denominations like the veera shaivas (followers of the great reformer Basavanna) do not hold vedas as sacred and they are all Hindus. So before you impose your own rules on Hinduism try to understand the religion. That is the reason it is quite obvious that you have no understanding of Hindu religion other than what is written by subaltern writers. Hindus respect different view points and accept that there are many paths to one divine.
Your claim that Hinduism is not a religion is idiotic? What is your definition of religion? Can you please tell us what makes up a religion and then we can talk. Open any encylopedia of religion (written by the left, right, center, marxists, islamists, christian, imperial, secular ..) and you will find a big section on the Hindu religion. Just because you don’t consider Hinduism as a religion does not make it so. You are free to live in your delusions but don’t expect everyone to buy your nonsense. For example if I don’t consider Einstien as a scientist much less a great scientist the fact will not change that he is one. All you show is a hatred for Hindus and also your abysmal ignorance of Hindu customs and way of life. You are free to hate anyone but don’t expect everyone to believe and comply with your idiocy.
You simply shout aloud that all other castes consider themselves as slaves of Brahmins. In every post you show how idiotic you are and how little knowledge you have of Hindus and Hinduism. You haven’t been able to provide one proper response to any of my posts. And you are simply repeating the same thing again and again – Hindu and Brahmin bashing without any rhyme or reason.
For your information we have the greatest of Hindu leaders who were not Brahmins and they have been revered by all the castes. Not just many older sages but most of the Modern and popular hindu leaders like Swami Vivekananda, Aurobindo Ghosh, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Narayan Guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Amritanandamayi, Baba Ramdev and many many others are from non brahmin communities. But they are highly revered by most Hindus. All these people are considered by Hindus and even other religious and secular people as the leaders of the Hindu community. Infact Hindus do not think about caste when they talk about their leaders and saints and they look for the essence of their teaching. I am just posting their caste because you are so fixated about it and to prove to you that Hindu leaders and teachings are not just about Brahmins. Brahmins of course have played a great role in Hindu rennaisance but they are not the only Hindu community. You can just go on and on about your tirade on Brahmins and Hindus and your baseless conspiracy theories but they hold no weight.
Even the main political leaders of the right wing Hindu party like BJP are dominated by non-Brahmins. Advani, Narendra Modi, Rajnath Singh, Uma Bharathi and many many others are not from the brahmin community. And they are considered as Hindu leaders. As I mentioned earlier Castes are basically communities which maintained an occupational identity. The Hindu religion is much bigger than any caste or community and is universal. They are also less parochial than the abrahamic religions.
Kapu said
Hatred will never be killed by hatred. Learn to respect everyone and every religion. Each has its own truth. I am just amazed how much of discussion has happened because of this post on Aishwarya Rai.
fallen monk said
@Happyhindu
So ,you are again inventing new metaphors to justify your point?There is indeed a big difference between vaishnava and the shaivite cults.In fact , there have been many conflicts between the two in the Indian history.Although vaishnavas were usually tolerant towards others , they would turn hostile towards the shaivites , such was the kind of differences between the two.Whereas vishnu has many incarnations like krishna , ram , indra etc , shiva is usually symbolized as a “lingam” (for a very funny reason).In the ling purana , vishnu is beheaded by virabhadra and his head is then blown by wind into fire.In the vaishnava , hari vamsa , vishnu compels shiva to fly after taking him by throat and nearly strangulating.There are many references like these.You can yourself imagine the differences in opinion between the vaishnavas and shaivites.The metaphors that you gave of shiva as mind (whose?) and vishnu as soul (whose?) may be some later interpolations due to influences from some non-vedic or tribal traditions.
You only prove that hindus are hypocrites.You wrote a long explanation of how being a sudra is not bad , but instead honorable.At least , you should’ve specified what kind of sudra you were talking about.Still , it was clear that you are referring to sudra by birth , as yourself in mind , while writing that long post.
I am amazed that you rejected atheism , monoism etc for these comical beliefs like the creation of humans from purusha etc.
A typical hindu , attributing the sins of his ancestors and himself to the britishers and moghuls .
Then why were you justifying the caste system , by “procing” that being a sudra is not wrong.
Earlier you said that vishnu is soul.Now who is this mahavishnu?Why (and how) do you surrender yourself to him?Don’t these things
seems like funny to you?
No one cares if some narayan doesn’t discriminate between sudra and brahmin.The thing that is important is that hindus are casteists and they do discriminate.
It doesn’t really matter to me whatever you are , whether “naidu” , “bunt” , “tribal” , “pakistani” or whatever.The truth is that you are a sudra due to your mentality.
Clement said
Hey Dalitnation your views on Brahmins are so revealing. Can you please do some study if you have not already done that on ‘Brahmins being the Cause of Global Warming’. I am darn sure these brahmins would have played a great part in Global warming.
Is there any evidence of Brahmins being responsible for extinction of the dinosauros. Again I am darn sure there would be some link. Brahmins would have found the Dinasourous a big threat as Dalit-Bahujans drank dinosouras milk. Evil Brahmins killed the dinosaourus thereby depriving Dalits of their main source of food. I am sure there will be evidence available to prove this. Dalit Nation must please check this and let us know. If you consult V.T. Rajashekar or Kancha Ilaiah they surely would have some scholarly treatise written on this. Please note Jurrasic Park movie was directed by the zionist jew Steven Speilberg. The way Speilberg demonized Dinosaurous is very fishy indeed. The peaceful Dinosaurous which used to give milk to Dalit Bahujans was killed and Brahmins made the cow into a god.
Am i sounding like Dalit Nation and Dalit Voice. Maybe I should try finding a job with them. Or Should I start work as an intern under Professor Kancha Ilaiah. I have just finished college and studied journalism. I humbly request your scholarly opinion.
fallen monk said
@ Shankara
|| Hinduism has multitudes of scriptures and reform movements within it. ||
If Hinduism had been faulty , for which reforms were needed , and still has reform movements , then it only proves that hinduism could still be erroneous and faulty and need reforms.What is the use of following it when you are aware that “Hinduism” has required lots of reformations to survive?What is the certainity that all the faults of ‘hinduism’ have been improved?
||So before you impose your own rules on Hinduism try to understand the religion.||
I have read quite a lot of hindu scriptures and I think I have have more idea about Hinduism than you have.
|| Your claim that Hinduism is not a religion is idiotic? What is your definition of religion? Can you please tell us what makes up a religion and then we can talk. ||
A religion is a set of homogeneous beliefs based on some basic idea or principle , to understand the mysterious nature and the reason for creation of life etc. Please notice the word homogeneous.A religion is different from another when their “basis” (or foundational beliefs) are different.A religion may have different sects and subsects , but the basis remains the same.How does hinduism fit to this definition?I am sure you yourself know the origin of the terms “hindu” and “hinduism”.”Hindu” is more like a geographical term , and the term hinduism is used as a term to denote the combined set of beliefs existing in India , beside the well founded religions like christianity , islam , Buddhism , Jainism and sikhism.I already mentioned the various contradictory and conflicting beliefs under the term “Hinduism”.The basis of advaita vedanta (non-dualism), which doesn’t even acknowledge a creator , is completely different from the “trimurti” concept of the vedas.Shaivites consider shiva as their highest god whereas vaishnavites consider vishnu the same.Bhakti path has its own gods based on epics and mythology , like ram ,hanuman etc.Moreover , the differences not only exist in beliefs but also in origin and race(caste-system).”Hinduism” is only forcibly chosen as a term to denote one single religion , even though it violates the meaning of the term “religion”.
|| All you show is a hatred for Hindus and also your abysmal ignorance of Hindu customs and way of life. ||
I have many other things to do in life instead of hating one community just for fun or as a hobby.It is just that I hate people who practice discrimination on the basis of hypocritical caste system.It is not my mistake that all these people happen to belong to “hinduism”.Hindus have ill-treated innocent people for ages and still continue to do so , they are the ones who initiated this hatred , and now you ask why we hate hindus?We are only retaliating in self defence , to live with equality and dignity.If the vedics had been peaceful , rational and moral people , no one would have hated them now , even if they fooled people on the basis of religion.
|| You haven’t been able to provide one proper response to any of my posts. ||
I had given reply to each statement of yours in a very long post but , somehow , my post has vanished , even though I saw it yesterday.I am in no position to reply to your false knowledge once again.
|| Amritanandamayi, Baba Ramdev and many many others are from non brahmin communities. ||
Baba ramdev is teaching yoga regardless of any religion , including hinduism.I don’t know about the other.Perhaps , she is only fooling people in the name of religion.
|| Even the main political leaders of the right wing Hindu party like BJP are dominated by non-Brahmins. Advani, Narendra Modi, Rajnath Singh, Uma Bharathi and many many others are not from the brahmin community. ||
All hindus are ignorant and hypocrites , whether brahmin or otherwise.The brahmins , however , are the initiators of this hypocrisy called Hinduism.
If I get time , I will reply to your earlier post once again.
fallen monk said
My reply to Happy hindu has also vanished (or deleted).
What is the reason , Mr. Dalitnation?
fallen monk said
I am sure the reason why my posts are being deleted by the blogger is due to my aggression against the shudras also.Most shudras are hindus , after all.They also practice casteism.
fallen monk said
@ Clement and others like him.
Please don’t mock yourself by acting immaturely.There is a serious discussion going on here.
happyindianhindu said
fallenmonk,
||There is indeed a big difference between vaishnava and the shaivite cults.In fact , there have been many conflicts between the two in the Indian history.Although vaishnavas were usually tolerant towards others , they would turn hostile towards the shaivites , such was the kind of differences between the two.Whereas vishnu has many incarnations like krishna , ram , indra etc , shiva is usually symbolized as a “lingam” (for a very funny reason).In the ling purana , vishnu is beheaded by virabhadra and his head is then blown by wind into fire.In the vaishnava , hari vamsa , vishnu compels shiva to fly after taking him by throat and nearly strangulating.There are many references like these.You can yourself imagine the differences in opinion between the vaishnavas and shaivites.||
Ans: Time and again it has been the work of westerners with vested interests to point out that Shaivism and Vaishnavism are diffrent and opposing schools. That Shaivism is native to Indians / Dravidians and Vaishnavism came from outside. Sorry mate, hindus do not buy that. We have to think in terms of very early tribals of which some gave importance to the lingam (the kundala in the mooladhara is has its perceived shape as that of the lingam, earliest references to the lingam are not of the male organ but of this); while others gave importance to the yoni (as mother earth, mother fertility, etc – the man was only considered an intervening medium in causing birth, the woman was everything). So you have a patrilineal culture and a matrilinial culture. Some wrote and classified each other as each deemed right from his / her own point of view. Some talked about pouring lead into the ears of the enemy. Some praised them. In short, they fought and they made love; and they did this over and over again; like all couples do. Centuries later, they had integrated into a family. And even produced children branching off as buddhism, sikhism, etc.
Then some westereners with vested interests came along and found them living in peace. And decided to highlight only those points from their early texts that had earlier been the causes of rift between them; while ignoring the the other side / the spiritual literature generated by them. To the hindus they were plays of creation and destruction. To the westerners they could be twisted and turned to sow seeds of discord. Now you too are doing the same.
|| You only prove that hindus are hypocrites.You wrote a long explanation of how being a sudra is not bad , but instead honorable.At least , you should’ve specified what kind of sudra you were talking about.Still , it was clear that you are referring to sudra by birth , as yourself in mind , while writing that long post.||
Ans: Please tell me in what way do you think I was referring to shudra by birth. I never said anything is honorable. Anyone who has purvajanma karma rinam (debts from the past) is reborn. How can anyone’s birth be honourable? We are born from desire, live in desire and die in desire. The idea is to find ways to get rid of the sanchita karma and never be born again.
|| I am amazed that you rejected atheism , monoism etc for these comical beliefs like the creation of humans from purusha etc.||
Ans: Did i ever say I believe in the creation of humans from purusha? Do you understand Puru-Isha at all? Did I say I rejected atheism and monoism? Please do not put words of your own into my mouth.
|| A typical hindu , attributing the sins of his ancestors and himself to the britishers and moghuls||.
Ans: What do you mean by Sin? The bible has a very half-baked explanation of it. What is Karma? Who are ‘ancestors’ ? Why are you re-born? Request you to keep the bible aside and turn the pages of the Brahma sutra instead.
|| Then why were you justifying the caste system , by “procing” that being a sudra is not wrong.||
Did I justify the caste system. None of them — being a brahman, kshatriya, vaishya, shudra — as classes that have existed and will exist are not wrong. Only the people that constituted those classes have always been fluid.
|| Earlier you said that vishnu is soul.Now who is this mahavishnu?Why (and how) do you surrender yourself to him?Don’t these things
seems like funny to you? ||
Ans: Please read a bit on the vishishtadvaita school. To surrender to Him means to commit oneself to the pursuit of knowing the self without ego. No it does not seem funny to me.
|| No one cares if some narayan doesn’t discriminate between sudra and brahmin.The thing that is important is that hindus are casteists and they do discriminate.||
If so, then why are you discriminating?
|| It doesn’t really matter to me whatever you are , whether “naidu” , “bunt” , “tribal” , “pakistani” or whatever.The truth is that you are a sudra due to your mentality.||
Is that all you have to hurl back? Between atmakhyati and anyatakhyati who are you afterall?
happyindianhindu said
Fallenmonk,
|| The basis of advaita vedanta (non-dualism), which doesn’t even acknowledge a creator , is completely different from the “trimurti” concept of the vedas.Shaivites consider shiva as their highest god whereas vaishnavites consider vishnu the same.Bhakti path has its own gods based on epics and mythology , like ram ,hanuman etc.Moreover , the differences not only exist in beliefs but also in origin and race(caste-system).”Hinduism” is only forcibly chosen as a term to denote one single religion , even though it violates the meaning of the term “religion”.||
You wrote this to Shankara. But am tempted to ask you to explain your concept of a creator. Surely you cannot expect to find that ‘connect’ with something outside of you if you do not connect with the spirit within you first.
If you are a Xtian, perhaps i shd remind you: ‘In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God’ (Genesis 5:1). So, who is God according to you?
If you are a Buddhist, perhaps i shd also remind you that Buddha during His lifetime never said there is God or there is no God. He spoke in parabels and expected that each human must discover that on their own.
For those who feel the antaryami, there is indeed no religion. But if one had to define religion in your terms, then yes hindusim is a religion. Please do not attempt to divide Shaivism, Vaishnavism, bhakti path, etc without understanding them first.
Shankara said
@ Fallen Monk
Again you are at it again. Hurling baseless accusations on Hinduism.
If Hinduism had been faulty , for which reforms were needed , and still has reform movements , then it only proves that hinduism could still be erroneous and faulty
TO give you a brief on the Hindu religion. There are two types of scriptures in Hinduism Shruthi and Smrithi. Shruthis talk of the universal truths and absolutes. Smrithi is more related to the social rules of conduct and other rituals. To make it more clear, Shrutis are similar to the categorical imperetive as defined by Kant and smrithis are like the hypothtical imperetive.Even within Vedas there are elements of Shruthi and Smrithi within the context of a single mandala. Any learned Hindu can tell you that.
Why does Religion needs reform? Because times change and social values change. You cannot hold on to the value system held thousands of years ago. Hinduism hence provides a context based interpretation of religion and hence Hinduism is also called ‘sanathana dharma’. The rig veda clearly provides the foundation for this from these statements ‘Ekam Sat Vipraha Bahuda Vadanti’ – Truth is one but wise men talk about or approach it through many ways and also in another statement it mentions about absorbing noble thoughts from all sides.
Your definition of religion is exactly matching the semetic religious doctrines and hence I will bring them here.Semitic religions have their rules cannonized forever. The quran has rules of 7th century arabia cannonized forever and according to islam it should apply to all times and places past, present and future. Same with the Bible. However the hindu traditions beleives in a perrineal individual access to truth and believes in a number of incarnations. Hence Hindu religion is highly inclusive and has even embraced highly restrictive religions like christianity and islam.
The Bhakti and Sufi movements are a case to ponder on. Just look at the movement of Shiridi Sai Baba and his millions of Hindu adherents. Hindus become no less Hindus by revering a muslim saint and also the Hindu ethos remain intact.
Now if you don’t think that these are not what Hindus beleive then I am sorry to say you have no knowledge of Hinduism and there is nothing much anyone can tell you more. You can wallow in your own views and opinions. When you critique a religion or a society it is incumbent on you to understand its paradigms, philosophical canon and the sociology. It is clear that you know nothing of these when it comes to Hinduism except parrot some rigid beliefs you hold yourself on this great reiligion. It is also evident that your reading of Hindu religions is confined to only subaltern interpretations of this religion.
A religion is a set of homogeneous beliefs based on some basic idea or principle , to understand the mysterious nature and the reason for creation of life etc. Please notice the word homogeneous.
Homogeneous beliefs are a semitic and monotheistic idea perpetuated by Abrahamic religions. Even these religions are not homogenous -Sunnis, Shias, Ahmediyas, Bahais etc in Islam and Catholic and Protestent and mormon and many many others in christianity. And now all of these denominations consider themselves christians and muslims. In Buddhism we have Mahayana, Theravada, Zen (In Zen or Dhyana they even say if you meet the buddha on the road kill him i.e. reverence to Buddha or his cannon is not required) and many others. Basically religion is a body of knowledge and a canon which even contains diverse beliefs which fit into a certain paradigm. Those scholars (and they are the majority) who believe in this definition of religion consider Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Jainism, Buddhism and sikhism as the principal religions ofthe world and among these Islam, Christianity and Judaism fall under the semitic abrahamic paradigm evolved from the core jewish belief system and Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism evolved from the Hindu belief system. That Hindu is a geographical term is incidental and Hindus themselves call their religion by many names Sanatana Dharama or eternal religion is one of them. There are religions like Buddhism and christianity named after their founders. So what about it. That other races cannot come within the ambit of Hinduism is a myth perpetrated in the 18th century by the British. As you can see there are many converts in the west to the Hindu way of living and thought.
Hindus have ill-treated innocent people for ages and still continue to do so , they are the ones who initiated this hatred , and now you ask why we hate hindus?
These are baseless generalizations and this has been discussed in detail in other posts. The records of religions like Christianity and Islam on Human Rights abuse as compared to Hinduism is much more because of the inherent rigid Us versus them in these religions. Hinduism with no central organization is ill equipped to do such a sustained ill treatment. Even today India as compared to say Pakistan (not to mention afghanisthan) or say the christian eastern europe is much less in Human rights abuse. Hinduism has no part to play in this. The caste system in India exists as a social stratification cutting across all religions. The tribal and fuedal wars in say the pashtun region or the african tribal wars have no hindu influence. Non violence is a term which stirred the majority of the Hindus to fight the oppression of colonial rule. What matters is your adherence to Humane value systems. All the Hindu movements adhere to these humane value systems. If some of them don’t you won’t have trouble in getting the majority of Hindus to denounce them. Hindus in general have never had such a problem. But again genralizations are wrong and Human beings all over the world have baser instincts. So whether you are Hindu, Christian, Buddhist or an atheist every of these groups had their share of blood in their hands. There is also a solutuon in the Hindu, Jain and Buddhist spiritual tradition for these social evils in the Individual attainmnt of salvation and peace as opposed to the collective salvation deal of abrahamic religions which never work.
Baba ramdev is teaching yoga regardless of any religion , including hinduism.I don’t know about the other.Perhaps , she is only fooling people in the name of religion.
You don’t know much about Baba Ramdev or the other Hindu movements but you just want to hazard a guess and again show the extent of your hatred on Hindus and on Amritanadamayi. Even in the legal world a victim is innocent until proven guilty but not in your world of preconceived and ill conceived ideas. Sorry again you show your abysmal ignorance. Just for your education there are six systems of Hindu Philosophies called the Shat Darshanas – Sankhya,, Yoga, Vedanta, Mimamsa, Nyaya and Vaisheshika. Open any good book on Hindu philosophy and you will find this. Yoga is a key part in this. So just don’t show more and more of your ignorance by claiming that yoga is not part of Hinduism. Like most universal truths of the Hindu religion -yoga is now being followed, adopted and propogated by many people in the world who want to lead a healthy, wholesome and peaceful life.
All hindus are ignorant and hypocrites , whether brahmin or otherwise.The brahmins , however , are the initiators of this hypocrisy called Hinduism
I don’t think I need to reply to this other than what I have already told – Just shows the extent of your knowledge and generalized hatred on a huge community of 0.8 billion.
Let me just hazard a guess – where are you from – Pakisthan(?)
happyindianhindu said
Kancha,
Where are you? 🙂 This website is your mouthpiece afterall.
Just because you are paid to do what you do, I hope you do not refrain from reading this.
Dalination, make sure your Kancha reads this.
Bye.
fallen monk said
Happyhindu,
|| But am tempted to ask you to explain your concept of a creator. ||
Since I am an atheist , you must be already knowing my answer to this.Personally , I believe in Buddhism (especially the zen sect) and Taoism.These two deserve to be called as ‘eastern religions” , as opposed to western ones (including vedicism).A “Creator” , in the english language , is the initiator of life, of everything that “exists”.And I certainly don’t believe in it.The “Brahman” proposed in Advaita vedanta is not a creator , but a substratum of everything.Unlike , the emptiness in Buddhism , “Brahman” has independent existence with no prior cause for it , instead it is a cause for everything else.I find this concept ridiculous.You can read Nagarjuna’s ( a Buddhist Logician of ancient India) Mulamadhyamakarika for the justification of it.
To read some more funnier accounts of the creation of this world , like creation from Brahma’s semen , you can refer to some puranas of ‘Hinduism’.
|| For those who feel the antaryami, there is indeed no religion. ||
These are ornamental words with no meaning.No one has felt any God.All are liars and hypocrites , who claim this.
fallen monk said
Shankara ,
Shruthis talk of the universal truths and absolutes. Smrithi is more related to the social rules of conduct and other rituals.
Smrithi may be concerned with nothing more than social rules and conducts (like Koran , Bible ) , but it certainly has religious origins and I will not hesitate to claim that majority of the Hindus are only concerned about it , rather than shruti , and follow it with complete dedication.
Your explanation about shruti and smriti is still not anything closer to any “justification” of all the discrimination and oppression that the dalits have faced and are facing.And besides , any non-hindu can imagine how that religion would be from which such horrific social rules and conducts have emerged.
However the hindu traditions beleives in a perrineal individual access to truth and believes in a number of incarnations.
Whom does these hindu scriptures entrust the responsibility of modifying with time?Can anybody create rules in Hinduism.If this is so , then ‘Hinduism’ is certainly not a religion , because not only hindus but everyone in the world has the right to select and follow whatever he/she likes.This fundamental right is not exclusive for hindus alone.
Hence Hindu religion is highly inclusive and has even embraced highly restrictive religions like christianity and islam.
These concepts of embracing , disposing , modifying etc are only peculiar to hindus.What do you mean by embracing another religion?Every religion , by virtue of being a “religion” , is different from another.How can one embrace the other?You must admit the fact that “Hindu” is a geographical term and “Hinduism” is not one religion but mixture of different religions.The reason why “Hinduism” can embrace every new happening thing in the world so easily is because it has no strong basis or foundation of its own.If it were based on some principle postulates , hypothesis , laws etc , then it would have never embraced something contradictory to its foundations.
Just look at the movement of Shiridi Sai Baba and his millions of Hindu adherents. Hindus become no less Hindus by revering a muslim saint and also the Hindu ethos remain intact.
Hindus follow whatever they want to – any god , saint , or even religion.Unfortunately , most hindus just love caste system , because of their greed , and will not easily leave it.
Even these religions are not homogenous -Sunnis, Shias, Ahmediyas, Bahais etc in Islam and Catholic and Protestent and mormon and many many others in christianity.
Again you are drifting other religions to justify your own religion.Anyway , even these division or differences between sects of such religion are only surface differences.Their foundation remains the same.Shia and sunni both believe in only one Allah as the Creator and the same prophet.Roman catholics , protestants etc all acknowledge Jesus as their messenger and the son of one and only one God.The differences are only on the surface and not the basis.
In Buddhism we have Mahayana, Theravada, Zen (In Zen or Dhyana they even say if you meet the buddha on the road kill him i.e. reverence to Buddha or his cannon is not required) and many others.
Every sect of Buddhism is based on four noble truths and the eightfold path.The philosophy is the same , even if the methods to achieve may be different.In the “Hinduism” , whereas someone believes that everything is a consequence of “Brahman” , the other may be more comfortable pleasing Ram , Sita , Ravan etc , yet someone else likes doing useless rituals , havans etc.No correlations at all.Only with the contact of Islam and Christianity with Hinduism did hindus really begin describing hinduism as a monotheistic religon by inventing some new metaphors or selecting one particular religion of “Hinduism” , of course being inspired by these abrahamic religions.
Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism evolved from the Hindu belief system.
Jainism is far older than “Hinduism”.And Buddhism is not based on any vedas , as Buddha Gautama never read them.Only a fool would say that a philosophy like Buddhism is based on the rituals of Hinduism (vedas of those times).While Buddha was on his way to find the end of suffering he had trained with two Jain monks – Alara Kalama
and Udakka ramaputta.Later , he separated from them also and began on his own path.In fact , I would say that most of the present-day Hinduism is a product of Buddhism and Jainism.The concept of Karma , reincarnation , Advaita Vedanta , vegetarianism etc were all a result of competetion of Brahmanism with Buddhism and Jainism.Your own shankara has also criticized and debunked Buddha intensively in his various texts.How can these religions be called as the consequence of “Hindu” (Brahminic) doctrine.
In fact , I would say that “Hinduism” began with the Indian Independence , with the first ever definitions of “Hinduism” and “Hindu” documented in the constitution.
The records of religions like Christianity and Islam on Human Rights abuse as compared to Hinduism is much more because of the inherent rigid Us versus them in these religions.
At least these religions have unity among its own followers , or at least unity and brotherhood among its followers is gauranteed by the scriptures , which is an attribute of all religions , unlike hinduism (if it can be called one) , where the scriptures (whether smriti or shruti) themselves appreciate the division and oppression of people.
The caste system in India exists as a social stratification cutting across all religions.
Would all the hindus agree to call me a “Brahmin” if I agree to read the vedas (although I would select death if it was my only other option rather than this)?Here lies the true hypocrisy of the hindus.
Just for your education there are six systems of Hindu Philosophies called the Shat Darshanas – Sankhya,, Yoga, Vedanta, Mimamsa, Nyaya and Vaisheshika.
Just for your education these schools do not come under the term “Hindu philosophies” so much as it comes under “Indian philosophies”.
Anything that is not in accordance with the vedas or goes against them is not “Hindu” , as is Brahmins themselves consider vedas as the most authoritative.
Shankara said
Your explanation about shruti and smriti is still not anything closer to any “justification” of all the discrimination and oppression that the dalits have faced and are facing.
As I have already mentioned the caste system and oppression from the upper caste to the lower caste had nothing to do with Vedas or latter hindu scriptures and was an unfortunate social development in a feudal soceity. Just to provide a perspective for an objective socilogical perspective this kind of exploitation existed and is still existing in most feudal soceities and we find that in India as well in many other countries especially in the
developing and the under developed world. I am by no means condoning the caste system or the oppression and violence against anyone. I have lived in a village in India for the first few years of my life and observed the
operation of the oppression of a poor community by a powerful landed and rich community. From a child’s unbiased and non political view I could clearly see this as a class divide and there were no religious or caste elements involved in any of these things. I have studied in traditional Hindu schools and also in the best of secular universties. In none of these including the traditional Hindu gurukul there was any element of hatred
taught against any community or religion. So when you appropriate a characterstic or behaviour against someone and a large group of people whom I have interacted closely you should have sufficient proof and evidence. It
is quite clear to me that your fixated and constant hatred towards a community is probably a result of identifying yourself to a subaltern cause whose prime motive and aim is to demonize hinduism without much reason. For
a professed rationalist, Buddhist / taoist I find your angered demenour and victim conciousness amusing.
Whom does these hindu scriptures entrust the responsibility of modifying with time?Can anybody create rules in Hinduism.If this is so , then ‘Hinduism’ is certainly not a religion , because not only hindus but
everyone in the world has the right to select and follow whatever he/she likes.This fundamental right is not exclusive for hindus alone”
Those rules which basically align with the categorical statements of the shruthis are valid rules according to some of the Brahmana tradition but this has been debunked and disqualified over the ages using the shrutis themselves. And most other traditions both within and outside the brahmin tradition have formed their rules based upon the teachings of the rishis and liberated people. The hindu tradition has evidenced a tradition of saints, avatars and teachers who provide the rules / practices based on their experience of cosmic spiritual conciousness. Now you can disbeleive these experiences but again you would need to understand that the same tradition is present in all the Hindu sects in different guises. That is one reason all these traditions fall under one single category. We (Hindus) call it Sanatana Dharma or Hinduism. Since the word Hindu is so allergic to you, you can claim this as whatever you like. The path of Yoga (this is essentially Hindu – I will come to that later in another post) has provided a technology and description of acheiving this state of cosmic conciousness, Moksha, Nirvana etc.
Again who sets the basic rules in other religions. It is set by a set of prophets (Rishis)like Buddha in the case of Buddhism, Muhammad in Islam and Jesus (or rather paul, mathew, mark, luke and john) in case of christianity.
But in case of Hinduism the rigidity to accept and identify solely one set of saints or pophets is absent. This is evident even in the most earlier times when there was a plethora of rishis who contributed to the ever
growing Hindu cannon of thought. Hence it is highly inclusive and less restrictive.
Again you are drifting other religions to justify your own religion.Anyway , even these division or differences between sects of such religion are only surface differences.Their foundation remains the same.Shia
and sunni both believe in only one Allah as the Creator and the same prophet
Again these are your own subjective opinions. Ask a sunni whether a Bhai is a muslim or not. He will surely say he / she isn’t. It is not just a surface difference according to them.
Every sect of Buddhism is based on four noble truths and the eightfold path.
Again you are wrong. The zen sect of rinzai and the instant enlightenment schools have rejected the noble eightfold path as meaningless. Some schools of Zen provides for a present moment, context based non canonical path towards enlightenment. But they are buddhism nevertheless. Even some modern versions of Buddhism have broken away from the original (meaning the teachings in the tripitaka) meanings of karma, sunyata etc. Bhikku Buddadasa (Also called the communist Bhikku) of thailand interpreted buddhism through the lens of Marxism, Ambedkar interpreted Buddhism through the lens of the pragmatic philosophy of his mentor the philosopher John Dewey and ‘his Buddha and his Dharma’ finds no acceptance among majority of the buddhist circles other than a sympatheic acceptance for a Humanitarian cause and also the new converts add to their numbers. Several western buddhists have equated Budhhism to a reductionistic materialistic philosophy completely ignoring the metaphysical and teach buddhism as a sort of religious emiricipsm.But all these are now considered as paths of Buddhism. The same accusations you make on Hinduism I can level on Buddhism as well. Anand Coomarswamy the famus sri lankan and irish scholar on buddhism even remarked in early 1900s that ‘Buddhism is most famous today for everything it originally never taught’.
But I can well understand the similarities between the hindu and buddhist traditions which you fail to see due to your political alignment. Also Buddhism has its share of superstitions and myths. I don’t want to go into
all that. Even taoism has so many ridioulous superstitions and myths. It is a different fact if you confine it to a set of texts you yourself choose. In fact all the things you accuse to Hinduism can be accused to the Taoist
and Buddhist tradition as well. The taoist tradition has a whole lot of creation myths equally absurd (the myth of pagu and many many others). Even the stories of Buddhas birth have many absurd ‘non-rational’ elements. You can selectively choose whatever you want to blieve from these traditions. And again who makes the rules?
I will reply to the rest of your post after the weekend.
cool said
|| Since I am an atheist , you must be already knowing my answer to this.Personally , I believe in Buddhism (especially the zen sect) and Taoism.These two deserve to be called as ‘eastern religions” , as opposed to western ones (including vedicism).A “Creator” , in the english language , is the initiator of life, of everything that “exists”.And I certainly don’t believe in it.The “Brahman” proposed in Advaita vedanta is not a creator , but a substratum of everything.Unlike , the emptiness in Buddhism , “Brahman” has independent existence with no prior cause for it , instead it is a cause for everything else.I find this concept ridiculous.You can read Nagarjuna’s ( a Buddhist Logician of ancient India) Mulamadhyamakarika for the justification of it.||
Sure mate, I shall get a copy of the Mulamadhyamakarika translation and read it. Lets not talk abt what deserves to be called what. The mind is fluid eevrywhere, categorization serves no objective purpose.
You talk of atheism as the lack of a creator when in reality it overlaps with agnosticism. This ‘divide’ of accepting a creator or the lack of one is ancient — not from or restricted to buddhism — is very much a Sanaatan philosophy. Yes, the advaitha brahman is not a creator – the concept can be rather agnostic – and wud depend on how you wud see a ‘creator’.
The ‘substratum of everything’ as you speak is ‘energy’ – rather kundalini enerygy – or the enerygy that keeps us ‘alive’. The physical conscious world is the product of karmic energy or emotional energy, of every thought that we think. You wud wonder what is this karmic / emotional enerygy that lights up our thoughts and ‘decides’ germ thoughts in the para of the prana? Often when you sit to collect those parinamas (transformations / results) that cause vrittis (thoughts), you wud start ‘travelling’ (read understanding) to where it came from. Sometimes you travel very far back and very long (a few hours everyday over months). Many times you do not reach the source, yet you feel peace (though its the journey that caused it not the destination, its a feeling of having ‘spent’ away energy and a strange peace that comes with it). Many other times, you do reach the source (not sure if can actually call it a ‘source’). In a lightening flash you seem to understand why you think, the way you think. You wud end up separating your I from the self simply to view / understand / comprehend that. Once the ‘awareness’ of the thought happens, it slowly seems to fade away, the ‘thought’ simply ceases to exist. Why? I do not know. The vrittis just does not exist anymore. The mind becomes blank and there is a sense of peace. Am not able to define this peace – its hard to come ‘back’ or out of it. There is this ‘awareness’ of ‘wanting’ to ‘go’ somewhere. Call me a liar / hypocrite / schizophrenic my friend, you are free to laugh at me. Am not sure if i shd feel ashamed abt anything. Am still handling my unintelligent ego in the external physical conscious world (again, i may want to remind you that ego is not restricted to ppl of a certain community only, its everywhere, so y target 1 group?).
Since you talk of the ‘creator’ not ‘existing’ and of professing the zen philosophy, let me propose a simple situation to you (the rationalist):
Say you took a decision after a lot of planning and strategizing. You used logic to eliminate all the situations that might cause impediments to your plan. But you do not know kala (time) or tomorrow (you might even be dead), yet you eliminated those situations in good faith; hoping the end result would be as per your expectations. So, it is in good faith that you exercised your logic. MEaning, it is logical to use faith. Can you rationalize logic? What makes you so sure you won’t be dead tomorrow? Faith is logical my friend.
The buddhist nyaya’s core concept is the (justification of the) lack of a creator – the ideology is that the creation is the created and vice-versa; since both exist and support one another, there is no room for a seperate ‘creator’. This has been spoken of extensively in adi shankara’s brahmasutra bhasya (am told ramanuja’s work is more intriguing). The questions i loved most in it were those based on ‘evolution’: of how can the inert pradhana / prakriti have the sense or the will to design / create. If there is no perpetual evolution / dissolution, then there is an ‘intelligent purpose’ / a particular “management system” controlling it. The Vaisheshika school traces the entire world to primary atoms, posits and clearly expounds the adrishta or the unseen power responsible for bringing them together or seperating them. This is a topic I love knowing, and its beyond the present pages to talk abt here.
All I can say that if you say there is no creator, please prove it to me there is no creator. Similarly i cannot prove to you that a creator exists. If anything cannot be proven or disproven, it is at best sought to be learnt; not to reject. For there is no object to such a subject; neither can we presume there will ever be.
True brahman is the cause for everything, sarvam kalvidham brahma. If there is no ‘perception” of the effective cause of the brain – the mind, then there is nothing left to perceive. In such a case, we wudn’t be talking here.
Its funny we ended up talking abt this, when in reality we are talking abt my “Shudra mentality” 🙂 fyi, the one that penned the brahmasutra was a shudra — Badrayana or Vedvyas (believed to be an avatara of Vishnu’s cognitive energy). Honestly I do not know why there is so much derogatory-ness associated with being a shudra. If that is my caste / social classification, so be it. I have absolutely no prob with it and wonder why it should trouble you / any1 in anyway. Am not capable of the difficult and suffocating lifestyle of a priest, nor do i have the inclination to fight like a warrior and am a complete zero as a trader or with money. So, what does that make me?
fallen monk said
Mr. Cool ,
But you do not know kala (time) or tomorrow (you might even be dead), yet you eliminated those situations in good faith; hoping the end result would be as per your expectations. So, it is in good faith that you exercised your logic. MEaning, it is logical to use faith.
The reason that I eliminated these situations is not because I have a faith or “expectation” of some atmosphere wherein I might reach my objective.I will tell you the true logic behind my eliminating of those situations : I see that there are two possibilities if I work towards an objective – either it will happen or not.It can’t be both at the same time.There are two further possibilities now ; either I work towards the goal or I drop it because it might happen to be a failure.Now I reason that If I choose the latter , and suppose my “obstructions” would have even arisen ,then I would lose my objective for nothing.If I chose the former , and eliminate the situations that may interfere in my goal , and If I am still unable reach it I will still lose nothing , whereas If its successful I would achieve the goal.
In other words , it is not the faith of being in a good position that leads me to work towards my objective , but the possibility of achieving it rather than completely avoiding it and losing what I could’ve gained.
Faith is a different thing and logic is another.Yet both cannot be separated.I base my logic on “facts” (I can’t operate logic on nothing) and the belief in these facts arises from faith.However , it would be completely wrong to say that Faith is logical.
Perhaps you , as a hindu , have that kind of logical approach – faith.But this is quite minimum as a Buddhist or a Taoist or a Sufi.
again, i may want to remind you that ego is not restricted to ppl of a certain community only, its everywhere, so y target 1 group?
The scriptures create conditions for caste hindus to fall in this pitfall of ego , unlike the case of dalits and tribals.Human greed , hatred etc arises from this ego only and is very difficult to control.Brahmins are more likely to have these qualities because the religion approves them of being “purer” , “twice-born” etc.And therefore , the dalits and tribals will always fight such hindus to end the tyranny.
I won’t comment on your second para as I agree with most of it , and also because it is not related to the theme of discussion.
All I can say that if you say there is no creator, please prove it to me there is no creator.
This I will attempt to reply.
“Creation” is a deceiving word , as it is merely the process of transforming from one form to another.Nothing gets created out of nothing.There are two questions that arise if we assume that world is created by a created:-
1. From what is the “creation” created.
2. Creator surely exists .Who created the creator?
It is not the absurdness of the concept of a Creator that leads me to not believe in it , but rather , the unnecessity , more so , to believe in it.When there is no use acknowledging a creator then why bother about it?
True brahman is the cause for everything, sarvam kalvidham brahma.
It is a completely rubbish concept created by Shankara by twisting Buddhism and the Upanishads.
Honestly I do not know why there is so much derogatory-ness associated with being a shudra.
Honestly I do not even know why there is a need to attach new nomenclature (like shudra) to people , worse so , based on the accident of birth.Most of the shudras are happy being shudras , be it.No one can oppose them if they like these terms , even being aware that it has a social rank attached to it by religion.
Those who want to live a life of freedom and dignity will surely lose such useless terms stamped on them by some idiots.
cool said
so posting under happyhindu is blocked??
dalitnation, i am as much you as you are me. y block me?
targetting hindusim or brahmins wont solve your probs.
instead you may want to target ppl like me – for as long ppl like me continues to profess hindusim in any form including a definitve mix of atheism and theism; or like my dad atheism alone as according to him (& probably like u), he has ‘not seen god’, then brahmins and brahminism will exist.
the real prob lies with the rouges you call politicians. and the biggest prob lies with the ones that pay them to continue the divide and rule legacy.
Saju Carlos said
Buddhism a false religion as Hinduism. They are cult of satan. Buddha is also false prophet and has no answers for sufferings of peoples. The teaching is all meditation and other satanic activity. Buddha teaches emptying of mind which is easy entry for satan control. emptying mind is a satan mind. Buddha is not save the dalits. Buddha also abandoned wife and children. He teach individual salvation like the hindus and naked sadus and jains. only saviour of sin is Jesus christ. Can Buddha save you from the sins. Because salvation is only happens through Jesus. = only way dalits can be saved is through Jesus. It is through the Bible the darkness of india can be removed. don’t go back to the india of past of buddha and brahmins. Dalits should convert to Christianity and gain salvation both social and spiritual – because jesus is spirt and lord. Kingdom of god is teached by jesus only. Buddha only teached rebirth and you will come as a pig in your next life and also cockroach. which is nonsense and a work of satan. it is the kingdom of god dalits should reach. Jesus loves all. All hindu and buddhist in dark ages in india.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Sajor Carlos: Fantastic. I have been waiting for a rabid Christian fanatic like you to blabber your rubbish so that i can ask you some sensible questions for which you can provide straightforward, direct, honest and sensible answers.
If the bible is the word of so called god and if god is a ocean of mercy then why is god so immoral and cruel with his creations as per your bible? I’m not trying to justify hinduism or islam, they are more or less equally evil too as like any religion but from a humanitarian point of view being an atheist and a free thinker i ask why is your bible god so blood thirsty a bitch?
I know you have no clue because you know nothing about the bible. Let me explain what i mean…
“Genesis 6:5-8 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.”
So what does this imply here. God is not perfect. He created an imperfect human as per his own words. Why? Because if he was perfect he would have created a perfect man who would be so perfect that man would not have disobeyed god in the first place!
Second Kings 2:23-24 And he [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Wow, he kills 40 odd children, INNOCENT children because they called him a bald head ??/ What the hell!
Numbers 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
Numbers 31:14-18 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
The Bible claims they killed all the men, all the boys and all the non-virgin females in the name of their god. The remaining women were kept “for themselves”. It’s left to the imagination as to what that means but most likely they were raped as sex-slaves after witnessing their loved ones and family put to the sword.
Also kindly explain all of these “Holy Words of the Book of God” “THE BIBLE”…
The genocide of the Amalekites (Ex 17:13)
The genocide of the Canaanites (Num 21:3)
The genocide of the Bashanites (Num 21:35)
Yahweh personally slaughters the Zamzummims and the Horims (Deut 2:21-22)
The genocide of the Heshbonites (Deut 2:34)
The genocide of the Bashanites (Deut 3:6) (Again? How many times can a kingdom be utterly destroyed?)
Yahweh orders the genocide of the Amalekites (Deut 25:19) (again?)
The merciless bloodbath upon taking the city of Jericho (Josh 6:21)
The slaughter of the entire city of Ai (Josh 8:22-26)
Clever thinking by the Gibeonites allows them to be spared but they will live as slaves (Josh 9:23)
The slaughter of the Amorites (Josh 10:10-13)
The genocide of seven different kingdoms (Josh 10:28-40)
The genocide of the Hazorites (Josh 11:11)
The genocide of the Anakims (Josh 11:21)
Genocide of the Caananites (again?) and Perizzites (Judges 1:5)
Massacre at Jerusalem (Judges 1:8)
More massacres at Zephath (Judges 1:17)
Massacre at Bathel (Judges 1:25)
The men of the city of Succoth are put to the sword (Judges 8:17)
Yahweh personally smote the people of Sihon (Judges 11:21)
Genocide against the Ammonites (Judges 11:33)
Samson kills himself to destroy a Philistine city (Judges 16:30)
The “quiet and unsuspecting” people of Laish are massacred (Judges 18)
The capture, rape and sex slavery of the young female virgins of Jabesh-Gilead (all other citizens are slaughtered). When there aren’t enough young virgins to go around, more women are captured from Shiloh (Judges 21).
Saul slaughters more Ammonites (1st Sam 11:11)
Saul mercilessly slaughters Philistines (1st Sam 14:36)
Genocide against the Amalekites except the king and the sheep (1st Sam 15:7-8)
Yahweh is angry that Saul showed mercy on the king and the sheep (1st Sam 15:18-19)
David beats Saul in a killing contest (1st Sam 18:6-7)
David slaughters more Amalekites (1st Sam 30:17). This is the third time in the Bible they’ve been massacred. Apparently, there are more of them every summer.
David kills two thirds of the Moabites and enslaves the survivors. (2nd Sam 8:2)
David gruesomely hacks to death the inhabitants of the cities of the children of Ammon. (2nd Sam 12:31)
Amaziah slaughters 10,000 Edomites (2nd Kings 14:7)
Slaughter in Tirzah, including pregnant women being graphically “ripped up” (2nd Kings 15:16)
The Ethiopian cities around Gerar are massacred after Yahweh destroys their armies. (2nd Chron 14:14)
When Yahweh gets angry at his own people, he sends the Chaldeans to mercilessly slaughter even the young and those stooped with age. (2nd Chron 36:17).
Also the Bible god likes to kill disobedient children…
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; …And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
This is only starters… I will post 10 times this amount when you answer my questions. You may now spend you dollars answering my questions instead of converting innocent poor dalits.
Peppi Mint said
Guys Guys Guys Hold your horses. This blog is discussing aishwarya rai and how she has been exploited – thats what this joker who wrote it claims. Now you people just jump in and talk of all kinds of things like hinduism, buddhism and vedas and all that. Guys get a life. AIshwarya rai is nice cute girl who every guy wanted to lay hands on. And now this fellow dalit nation has been fantasizing about her for many years. Now she gets married and he goes ballistic and talks of conspiracy theory. Look aishwarya is finished now. She is not hot anymore. No bollywood herione is hot after marriage. get it straight guys. Talk about deepika padukone instead. She is getting laid by yuvraj singh.
Girish said
Hey Peppe Puttar,
You are the only sensible guy here. Its amazing how you get to the bottom of the matter. I have read your other comments also. Cool. Keep up your good work. You bring fresh perspective.
happyindianhindu said
Fallenmonk,
|| The reason that I eliminated these situations is not because I have a faith or “expectation” of some atmosphere wherein I might reach my objective.I will tell you the true logic behind my eliminating of those situations : I see that there are two possibilities if I work towards an objective – either it will happen or not.It can’t be both at the same time.There are two further possibilities now ; either I work towards the goal or I drop it because it might happen to be a failure.Now I reason that If I choose the latter , and suppose my “obstructions” would have even arisen ,then I would lose my objective for nothing.If I chose the former , and eliminate the situations that may interfere in my goal , and If I am still unable reach it I will still lose nothing , whereas If its successful I would achieve the goal.
In other words , it is not the faith of being in a good position that leads me to work towards my objective , but the possibility of achieving it rather than completely avoiding it and losing what I could’ve gained.||
In other words, you are exercizing free-will and working hard to make a success out of your decision irrespective of what the fruits of your (hard) work may be. Meaning, you are following the path of nishphal karma (doing your karma without expectations) (this is what Krishna says in the bhagvad gita). But anyways, what do you think brought you to that point of free-will? What do you think caused the “event” that resulted in your being able to exercize free-will to work on it?
|| Faith is a different thing and logic is another.Yet both cannot be separated.I base my logic on “facts” (I can’t operate logic on nothing) and the belief in these facts arises from faith.However , it would be completely wrong to say that Faith is logical. Perhaps you , as a hindu , have that kind of logical approach – faith.But this is quite minimum as a Buddhist or a Taoist or a Sufi.||
So you accept that faith and logic, though different, cannot be seperated. Yet you say it is “wrong” to say faith is logical. On what basis? Have you explored your sense of perception to various events in your life to see where there have been perceptual errors? Do you think you can or have ‘learnt’ from it? What would be ‘minimum’ as faith in your dictionary / mind?
|| The scriptures create conditions for caste hindus to fall in this pitfall of ego , unlike the case of dalits and tribals.Human greed , hatred etc arises from this ego only and is very difficult to control.Brahmins are more likely to have these qualities because the religion approves them of being “purer” , “twice-born” etc.And therefore , the dalits and tribals will always fight such hindus to end the tyranny.||
The scriptures do not create conditions, they “point out” conditions that make / had made / can make any human fall into the pitfall of ego. Are you saying “human qualities” such as greed and hatered is restricted to the brahmins alone? I too have the ability for hatered and greed in me. And I am not a brahmin. Have you examined yourself carefully??
Lets say you remove all so-called upper caste ppl. And made a world of dalits alone. Do you think greed will be removed?
|| “Creation” is a deceiving word , as it is merely the process of transforming from one form to another.Nothing gets created out of nothing.There are two questions that arise if we assume that world is created by a created:-
1. From what is the “creation” created.
2. Creator surely exists .Who created the creator?||
What caused this transformation? The words you use “nothing gets created out of nothing” are ancient indeed. Try any upanishad, you will find purnamidham purnamadham purnarthpoornamudachyathe, poornasyapoorna madaya poornameva ashishyate. This is infinity, that is infinity, from infinity is born infinity, if you remove infinity from infinity, infinity still remains. So tell me, what is the nature of infnity? If you say creation is merely transformation, you must be able to explain the nature this transformation.
Ofcourse energy is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed. The creator too is neither created not destroyed, only transformed. The creator (to me) is a higher energy, a higher force, an “intelligent” designer, the causative effective and the effective cause for everyting. I may see Him or It as Narayana, as Shiva, Brahma, Parvati, Lakshmi, Ganesha, as all attributes of the same divine. Just as I wud feel content in the presence of Baba (Sai), Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, monks from the Ramakrishna Mission, Shivananda Ashram and so on…for all of them to me represent the same divine force in absolutes or relatives.
|| It is not the absurdness of the concept of a Creator that leads me to not believe in it , but rather , the unnecessity , more so , to believe in it.When there is no use acknowledging a creator then why bother about it?||
So the concept of a creator is un-necessary? Have you tried to understand, how and why did your mind cause it to feel un-necessary? Acknowledging a creator seems to happen naturally to some; and yes they too do not bother about it, for it is an extremely private thing. On what basis do you think such a personal affair should become part of politics, part of a public domain?
|| It is a completely rubbish concept created by Shankara by twisting Buddhism and the Upanishads.||
Before Shankara, millions of souls that sought felt it. No concept belongs to one person alone. Vaani (sound energy) at the madhyama level (emotional level) is the same for all; only at the Vaikhari (spoken) level it gets expressed in the differentiated form. If you air is air, you are right. If you air (or ayer) is water, you are right too. There are no rights and wrongs in bhava (that what is felt). Some express it, some don’t. It doesn’t mean it is not felt.
|| Honestly I do not even know why there is a need to attach new nomenclature (like shudra) to people , worse so , based on the accident of birth.Most of the shudras are happy being shudras , be it.No one can oppose them if they like these terms , even being aware that it has a social rank attached to it by religion.
Those who want to live a life of freedom and dignity will surely lose such useless terms stamped on them by some idiots.||
If it is difference of ideology and religion you want to talk about, its fine with me. If you want to attack any community as means to further your ideology, its not fine with me. Lets leave the communities alone, and talk about the idealogies. Brahmins are not the cause for casteism, they are as much a product of casteism as you and me are.
Its the system, that needs reform and change. Like ‘neo-Judaism’ came to represent all points of that cannot be carried into the next century (many jews were converting), hindusim too needs reform and change. But is there a ‘body’ like an ecumenical council that decides these things? Someday it might become a necessity and it will happen. However, I hope you understand as a bottomline — it is pointless attacking the religion.
Perhaps Shudra should then be re-defined as not a social class but a spiritual class — anyone who feels like a dasa / dasi in search of the providence of divinity, qualifies to be a shudra (i wud qualify i think 🙂 ).
happyindianhindu said
Fallenmonk,
Kancha often says brahmins must share temple wealth with us dalits, must let us become priests and so on.
I want you to examine the following questions carefully. Since hopefully many dalits will also be reading this, hence these questions:
1) Are you capable of a strict disciplined life? Get up early in the morning every single day? Commit to a life centred around several rituals and practices?
2) Can you live without good food (read: meat), some booze, and avoid those nightly soujourns as and when needed? As a teenager, can you avoid a few flings (get wht i mean)?
3) Are you willing to commit to learning large volumes of data? Of having unwavering focus in it? Living a life with ‘limited’ entertainment?
If I cannot be like that, how wud you think I can raise my kids like that? The family atmosphere how a kid is raised certainly counts i suppose (sure lotus flowers in dirty water, but as regular temple priets?).
Honestly mate, its easier being a monk than a brahman.
Kripal said
I think you guys are just wasting time discussing about Hinduism here.Hinduism is the greatest and oldest religion in the world. It has survived the onsloughts of so many invaders and barbarians. Do you think these dalit nations and dalit voice and these jokers can do any harm to hinduism. Everyone knows where their funding comes from and what they actually stand for. Like barking dogs these people bark at hinduism.
Saucer said
I think the only intellegent guy here is Clement. He has asked the right questions. Dalit nation and its mentors Kancha Ilaiah and V.T.Rajashekar should answer those questions and write articles on how Brahmins killed dinasourous and made the cow the national animal. We dalits need to know the truth about this.
Again, coming to the latest Bird flu epidemic, is there any link with Brahmins and the the Bird Flu. Please dalit nation let us know.
happyhindu said
Saucer,
You kill an enemy by making a friend out of him.
For dalits, their needs are real. They live in the real world (of dirt and pain). But their attention and abilities have been harnessed elsewhere by exploiters.
These are ppl who genuinely believe the cause for their suffering is the hindu caste system. Its pointless to criticize them. If they write useless articles to seek attention, it doesn’t mean you write useless stuff as well.
An eye for an eye turns the whole world blind.
fallen monk said
HappyHindu ,
First I will answer the second post of yours.
Are you capable of a strict disciplined life? Get up early in the morning every single day? Commit to a life centred around several rituals and practices?
Leave aside the rituals and scriptures (and any other non-sense related to it) , observe a dalit mazdoor one day.His/her sleep is far less than a brahmin and he/she is far more hardworking and disciplined.Of course , poverty , discrimination and oppression develops in them some very bad habits of drinking , smoking etc.Rituals and such practices are useless , and the main reason for the mentality of a brahmin.
Can you live without good food (read: meat), some booze, and avoid those nightly soujourns as and when needed? As a teenager, can you avoid a few flings (get wht i mean)?
Anyone with good determination can.
Do you really think that brahmins never eat good food , booze , or have sex?I know several brahmins who drink , smoke and are also drug addicts (in some cases).Many eat meat , through the excuse of sacrifice in many northern and eastern regions.Read newspapers daily and you will find many brahmins being convicted for murder , rape etc.A few weeks back I read a newspaper article of how a brahmin mother and daughter duo (mother was a lawyer and daughter was a student of medicine) first kidnapped a daughter and then murdered him in a very horrific manner.I have seen many brahmins (i recognize because of their pony tail) scolding the labourers with so much hatred and anger , and it shows how much they care about religion and spirituality.Just performing some useless scriptures everyday doesn’t mean discipline.
Come out of ignorance that brahmins are really very disciplined , humble , honest and wise human beings.As far as I have seen most brahmins are just normal human beings , with nothing extraordinary except superiority complex.
Are you willing to commit to learning large volumes of data? Of having unwavering focus in it? Living a life with ‘limited’ entertainment?
Learning large volumes of data?Are trying to point to the scriptures?Well , in that case I should remind you that most brahmins have left their scriptures and rituals , as they are useless to live a comfortable life with.Limited entertainment?Most brahmins , like this Amitabh Bacchan , Madhuri Dixit etc , are , in fact , a source of entertainment , and themselves live with complete comfort and luxury.
Honestly mate, its easier being a monk than a brahman.
You cunningly changed the word “brahmin” which you began your post with , with “brahman” , and I know what will your next reply be of mine.You will counter by saying that you were referring to brahmin by deeds (rather than birth).I would advice you , in that case , you don’t reply at all.It would save your time as well as effort.Hearing utopian concepts of “brahmin-by-birth” again and again is quite irritating , when everyone knows that you are honestly defending brahmins-by-birth only.You yourself know this , ask your conscience how desperately you are trying to defend the brahmins by trying to invent logic , along with your ornamental words.
I am sure you are a brahmin.Only a brahmin uses such cowardice tactics.
fallen monk said
Happyhindu,
Are you saying “human qualities” such as greed and hatered is restricted to the brahmins alone?
No , I never said that.Read my post again.All I said was that the scriptures , which gives the brahmins the titles like “twice-born’ , “purer” etc , make them more vulnerable to become greedy and oppressive.And this is also the reason why I am attacking the source , i.e the scriptures , rather than the brahmins themselves.Just because greed is everywhere doesn’t mean that we should ignore it.We must find a remedy against it , and this is what I am doing.
Brahmins are not the cause for casteism, they are as much a product of casteism as you and me are.
Please explain how they are not the cause for casteism.And also , who is the cause of casteism?
First of all , your statement is itself paradoxical.You make reference to a caste (brahmins) who are supposed to be above everyone else in hierarchy , and then claim that they didn’t create the caste-system.Who started calling them brahmins then?If they are a product of casteism then someone might have surely invented this system.And who else could it be except the ones who claimed to be the highest (if the scriptural evidence is to be ignored)?
Perhaps Shudra should then be re-defined as not a social class but a spiritual class
At least you admit that it is social class and not a spiritual class , as you were trying to justify in one of your earlier posts , even though you won’t admit its origins as the scriptures themselves.
happyhindu said
|| Leave aside the rituals and scriptures (and any other non-sense related to it) , observe a dalit mazdoor one day.His/her sleep is far less than a brahmin and he/she is far more hardworking and disciplined.Of course , poverty , discrimination and oppression develops in them some very bad habits of drinking , smoking etc.Rituals and such practices are useless , and the main reason for the mentality of a brahmin.
Anyone with good determination can. Do you really think that brahmins never eat good food , booze , or have sex?I know several brahmins who drink , smoke and are also drug addicts (in some cases).Many eat meat , through the excuse of sacrifice in many northern and eastern regions.Read newspapers daily and you will find many brahmins being convicted for murder , rape etc.A few weeks back I read a newspaper article of how a brahmin mother and daughter duo (mother was a lawyer and daughter was a student of medicine) first kidnapped a daughter and then murdered him in a very horrific manner.I have seen many brahmins (i recognize because of their pony tail) scolding the labourers with so much hatred and anger , and it shows how much they care about religion and spirituality.Just performing some useless scriptures everyday doesn’t mean discipline.
Come out of ignorance that brahmins are really very disciplined , humble , honest and wise human beings.As far as I have seen most brahmins are just normal human beings , with nothing extraordinary except superiority complex.
Learning large volumes of data?Are trying to point to the scriptures?Well , in that case I should remind you that most brahmins have left their scriptures and rituals , as they are useless to live a comfortable life with.Limited entertainment?Most brahmins , like this Amitabh Bacchan , Madhuri Dixit etc , are , in fact , a source of entertainment , and themselves live with complete comfort and luxury.||
I was referreing to the lifestyle of brahmin priests in the temples. Not to everyday brahmins; who are probably as good or as bad as me. But think of it, its this Indian culture to hold onto past background. In this age of technology, do we go around asking ppl — r u a brahmin or r u dalit? Does caste matter at all. Very true a mazdoor’s life is far-far tougher than a brahmin’s. And in rural places, casteism still exists. But will targetting the religion genuinely help? Instead can your focus be changed to acquiring education, skills, etc that will truly help your upliftment? Bashing religion will only exhaust your energies as such non-productive pursuits get you nowhere.
|| You cunningly changed the word “brahmin” which you began your post with , with “brahman” , and I know what will your next reply be of mine.You will counter by saying that you were referring to brahmin by deeds (rather than birth).I would advice you , in that case , you don’t reply at all.It would save your time as well as effort.Hearing utopian concepts of “brahmin-by-birth” again and again is quite irritating , when everyone knows that you are honestly defending brahmins-by-birth only.You yourself know this , ask your conscience how desperately you are trying to defend the brahmins by trying to invent logic , along with your ornamental words.
I am sure you are a brahmin.Only a brahmin uses such cowardice tactics.||
I am not defending brahmin by birth. I promise on God, I am not a brahmin, neither do I need to pretend to be anything. Its a situation I posed to you. I am not capable of such a disciplined life (its suffocating for me). I have been raised in a rather comfortable way, thence that attitude. Its easier for me being a monk of sorts inside my head, not restricted to specific ritual behavior or anything that i cannot relate to, to give up desire as and when that detachment comes and not given to a prescribed way of life. If you are capable of leading a life like that then its good for you. We will not have shortage of priests 10 years from now on.
|| No , I never said that.Read my post again.All I said was that the scriptures , which gives the brahmins the titles like “twice-born’ , “purer” etc , make them more vulnerable to become greedy and oppressive.And this is also the reason why I am attacking the source , i.e the scriptures , rather than the brahmins themselves.Just because greed is everywhere doesn’t mean that we should ignore it.We must find a remedy against it , and this is what I am doing.||
Being ‘twice-born’ was designed to get rid of all base emotions like greed and make a man given to acquiring knowledge and serving God with devotion and without ego. How do you think anyone bcame ‘purer’ when there are so many saints amongst non-brahmins?
The scriptures are not the source, they are the prescriptions and old patient records. How you want to take the medicine, whether you want to take that or a different medicine, etc…all depends on you, how you want to view things. Since you know your body best, you should seek counsel but also exercise some of your own discretion and do what suits you or you will end up with an allergic reaction.
|| Please explain how they are not the cause for casteism.And also , who is the cause of casteism?
First of all , your statement is itself paradoxical.You make reference to a caste (brahmins) who are supposed to be above everyone else in hierarchy , and then claim that they didn’t create the caste-system.Who started calling them brahmins then?If they are a product of casteism then someone might have surely invented this system.And who else could it be except the ones who claimed to be the highest (if the scriptural evidence is to be ignored)?||
Shankara already explained how the system came about due to a feudal society. We have atleast 10,000 years of ancient Indian history. Brahmans were not the highest hirearchy in many hindu cultures in the past.
Let me give you an example: Lets say, a king won a war (they always went for fertile land, good water, etc remember we are an agrarian society – most are, world-wide (earliest domesticated men were farmers ofcourse), many kings were not really kshatriyas but traders / farmers owning large tracts of land, applies to the maurya times too and perhaps even in the very ancient times, the whole kshtriya thing is a undone-done thing — please read the bhavishya purana, it says a bit about how kshatriyas came about).
After a war (always for land, sometimes for women, rarely for culture) was won, then to make a ‘constitution’ with a governing body for law, order, revenue collection, etc (the ‘government’), the kings would commission a brahman to become a law-maker. The brahman with his disciples (like say apasthamba) wrote laws for that country together with/ as instructed by the ruler. To ensure his generations always remained kings, the kings often asked for laws to be made such that caste is an occupation and is by birth. It depended on how good the king was. Am told sometimes they did not ask for such a clause it seems (am not sure abt this though). The law was mainly to ensure continuity of professions to prevent too much crowding into some lucarative occupations (eg: traders managing huge revenue guilds were either controlled by the king or were always usually related to the king). True brahman families were well taken care of. But above all, all that a brahman really earned was the highest form of respect — “reverence”.
The families of the brahmans and kings also married it seems (i hear a few such inter-caste marriages happened even in recent feudal societies, meaning past 16th century, though the sources cannot be authenticated). The rulers were rather clever — marriage was used as an effective social tool — either to make peace or to forge alliances with families of traders and brahman royal advisors. They had many wives (but a larger number of concubines than wives, wives were rather ‘selected’ ones). Families (both trader and brahman ones) related to the kings wielded much power. So you have a whole class of people as so-called ‘upper castes’ — brahmans, kings and traders. But the kings themselves were in fact shudras and farmers (or a mix of food producers and food gatherers) since the advent of the maurya times (minus the muslim ones). So, its confusing as to who opppressed who. In fact, nobody did. All that they wanted was to ensure continutity of professions. The societies during those times seemed prosperous. So nobody seemed to bother. If you have money, will you be bothered about what ‘caste’ you belong to? So, where is the “caste system” you are talking about?
Many many ages ago before the feudal times, caste was by birth in some cultures and not by birth in some other hindu cultures (probably decided either by kings or by brahmins themselves). This was like before atleast 2500 years (resolved most times with inter-mingling) and practically in disuse; since feudal societies had already taken root since a v.long time. The brahmans simply wrote and preserved that stuff recording it as very ancient history (unfortunately perhaps). The colonials wanted to find ways to justify british intervention in indian society (like america justifying a pre-emptive strike in iraq). It did not help that we were like crabs doing a lot of in-fighting. Practically every pre-colonial literature sent to the queen’s counsel referred to the manu smrithi. And thus was born the “divide and rule” legacy — the caste system was “used” to justify british intervention in India — to ‘liberate’ them from it. To be civilized meant to be christianized. And this is what is being continued after these many years of ‘freedom’ — this divide and rule legacy.
Now what we have on our hands is diffrence of class, not caste or culture; diffrence of the status of money. What you need is money not caste. Why confuse both as the same? You can be a brahman and poor and a shudra and rich. It does seem to me the better off shudras are not bothered about caste. So, its all about money. If you going to harp on caste and culture, then how do you hope to uplift your class? Is it not better for you to focus on education and skills instead?
|| At least you admit that it is social class and not a spiritual class , as you were trying to justify in one of your earlier posts , even though you won’t admit its origins as the scriptures themselves.||
Brahmans recorded “events” like history. Such literature is not really religious and can be debunked. Ask Shankara more about this please.
End note: I have attempted to expain the best I could and my sources may not all be right. Shankara, please explain from the religion point of view in more detail. Thanks.
happyhindu said
Shankara,
Also please can you explain if what i have written about this otehr stuff is correct please? Thanks much (as my history knowledge is very limited, based mainly on hear say with some internet and few books and this is a nice practical model). Thanks very-very much.
HealTheLand said
It is time the dalits removed this Satan called Hinduism that is tormenting them. Hinduism is an evil spirit that needs to be cast away. Paul did so regarding a demon dwelling in a human, but it can also be done with demons dwelling in places and afflicting situations, and there is nothing preventing you or any other born – again Christian from doing the same at any time and place: to spot or acknowledge the presence of an evil spirit, determine that the evil spirit’s presence is undesired (which will almost always be the case), and to tell the evil spirit to leave in the Name of Jesus Christ. The Dalits can be saved in the Name of Jesus.
Dalit Man said
I am dalit and I am not in caste system. My question to Dalit Nation and all Dalit people is which religion convert to: Buddhism, Chrisitianity or Islam. I am at Tamil nadu and here Buddhism is not much..there is no support for Buddhists also here. Tamil Nadu there is christians and mulsims. I want to convert to christianity along with my family and three relatives families related to us. Because christianity is okay in TN and more than Islam. Also in christianity no need to change name and all. so i want to know any places in madurai where we can convert. Where is the church and place to convert and what to do with convert and later.
Rashid said
The only solution to the plight of the Dalits is through conversion to Islam. I was a buddhist once and worked for the delhi development authority. Also built lot of Buddhist Viharas in Delhi slums. One day I found that they had all the illegal construction removed by bull dozers but these people in the delhi development authority spared a temple. at that time there was conversion in meenkashipuram of dalits to islam. I saw how dalits got a new life and after islam no one dared to disturb them. Because islam gives solidarity and unity.
Dalits were the original inhabitants of this land, and some three thousand years ago, the fair-skinned Aryans invaded India from the north-west, subduing the original inhabitants, the Dravidians, and turning them into slaves. Now to keep them subjugated, physical force had to be supplemented with ideological and cultural force, and so you had the development of Brahminism and all its scriptures and superstitions.The real basis of Brahminism, which is really what Hinduism is all about, is the caste system, based as it is on the supremacy of the Brahmins and the degradation of the Dalits, treating them worse than animals. Cows, snakes and monkeys are worshipped in Hinduism, while the Dalits are treated worse than vermin. Thus, in order to be liberated from the caste system, the Dalits first need to liberate themselves from Hinduism.Ambedkar was aware that the most effective means for Dalit liberation was through converting to Islam. He said that the Dalits could choose from between Sikhism, Christianity or Islam, but added that Islam seemed to offer the Dalits the best deal. He commented on how Muslims are so closely united, and how the bond of Islamic brotherhood has no parallels in any other religious community or tradition. It is revealing to note that at this time he made no mention at all of Buddhism. The Nizam of Hyderabad granted him a huge sum of money for his educational projects and Muslims in East Bengal helped him get elected to the Constituent Assembly in the face of stiff Hindu opposition.
There is this massive Muslim population in India. If the Dalits were to convert to Islam, they could easily be absorbed into the Muslim community, shedding off their Dalit-ness, in the process empowered by joining the fold of a large community.
Fallen monk said
Hinduism , Christianity , Islam etc are all bad.The only use of religions is to control the masses.It would be better for dalits to choose a religion which has better social values and has better support for a dalit in the world.
So I would appreciate the dalits if they convert to Christianity or Islam or Sikhism or even Buddhism.Just shed off this stamp of dalit that has been given to them by the Hindus.Some dalits can just stay as atheists , like me , but will have to struggle to fight for equality.
Also , this RSS should be taught a lesson.They always have a problem when dalits and tribals convert to ‘other’ religions.Hindus should mind their own business , as tribals and dalits are not ‘Hindus’.
Bhikku Richard said
@Fallen Monk
After vanquishing and finishing off the Hindus, how do you think you can acheive unity and fraternity between Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Atheism. All these religions are at each others throats. I have stayed in India, Thailand, Malaysia and China and see the Missionaries are sparing no efforts to convert the Buddhists into Christianity. Same with the Muslims. The Hindus (of dravidian Tamilian origin and they are quite staunch Hindus) in Malaysia have been discriminated by the ethnic Malaysian Muslims. The Muslim malays have even rules in their constitution which discriminate people of other religions and ethnicity. The Hindus in the south east asian countries have a common cause with the Buddhists against the Muslims and Christians, quite rightly so as they have been denied their rights and want a decent living. They are under lot of pressure as their basic right to practice their religion and other fundamental rights (in case of Malay Hindus) are threatened.
How do you think all these will be reconciled. Is the destruction of Hinduism the panacea for all the ills of India and the world.
fallen monk said
Bhikku,
They are under lot of pressure as their basic right to practice their religion and other fundamental rights (in case of Malay Hindus) are threatened.
This blog is for only one problem.Not all the problems can be solved at once , my friend , as they have different origin.This blog is to discuss one primary cause for most of the pathetic human condition in India – caste system.
Is the destruction of Hinduism the panacea for all the ills of India and the world.
Yes , at least of India.
And you used quite strong words like “vanquishing” , “finishing off hindus” etc.Let me state it clear once again that my aggression is towards the blasphemous source of this caste evil , i.e Hinduism , rather than hindus.Hence , I am targeting Hinduism and not any hindu.
Bhikku Richard said
Fallen Monk,
“Let me state it clear once again that my aggression is towards the blasphemous source of this caste evil , i.e Hinduism , rather than hindus.”
I agree Caste is one of the biggest evils of Hindu soceity. Your aim of finishing the ideology of caste is commendable. Instead of attacking just the Caste System why do you want to attack the whole of the Hindu religion. This will start an endless cycle of retribution and violence. I also tend to agree with some people that Hinduism is not just the caste system. Based on my interactions with Hindus and Buddhists and living for many years in India and Thailand I find a lot of similarity betwen Hinduism and Buddhism. Hinduism apart from its evils of caste system also includes many eminent cultural practices and has a common thread with the Buddhist, Jain and other indic religions. You can realize the coexistence of Hinduism and Buddhism in Thailand where these two religions are interwined with each other. To be blind and not see these historical facts is intellectually fallacious.
Also I am not sure if Hindus would so easily succumb and become Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists. India is a populous country with huge numbers of people in different denominations. You will have millions of pople across different caste combinations and groups fighting against each other. As a Buddhist I can see that this confrontational idea would lead to more violence and polarization. The Buddhist leaders has always insisted on Dialogue and reconciliation between the different communities and religions. I am not sure how you can consider Navyana Buddhism as a form of the original teachings of the Buddha especially after it has rationalized violence and hate. I am not again discounting the oppression of the dalits but was it not the Buddha who said ‘the end does not justify the means’.
Rajputana said
Salam maleikum Rashid
“Dalits were the original inhabitants of this land, and some three thousand years ago”
This is lot of poppycock history created by British imperialists. No one believes in the Aryan Invasion theory anymore in any mainstream university as it is found wanting for any valid proof. The DNA studies of different castes have shown that caste is not race. Don’t repeat the same nonsense and no buyers of your poppycock history. Ambedkar has written in his ‘Annhilation of Caste’ that castes are not races (not that whatever Ambedkar writes is true. He was as much part of the imperialist conspiracy of distorting history. He always was a Bristish ass licker)
” the fair-skinned Aryans invaded India from the north-west, subduing the original inhabitants, the Dravidians, and turning them into slaves.”
Fair skinned aryans who are they? In india the caste and colour are in no way related. Ambedkar was much fairer than say Gandhi. Man what an idiot you are. You don’t even know History and write as if you are an authority.
“Now to keep them subjugated, physical force had to be supplemented with ideological and cultural force, and so you had the development of Brahminism and all its scriptures and superstitions.”
Poppy cock history again. Hindus having no central organizing authority and how can they subdue anyone. It was your muslim invaders who subdued people and had a host of slaves. Go get some brain cells moron.
” Cows, snakes and monkeys are worshipped in Hinduism, while the Dalits are treated worse than vermin”
You show again what an extrordinary moron you are. Most of the Dalit gods and dieties are Zoomorphic deities. Hinduism recognises god in all forms and is an amalgamation of all these. The dalit dieties are disrespected in your Islam and even it is quite clear that the worship of your dalit deity is punishable by death in Islam. Go read your Quran before talking about Hinduism. Also read the chrstian bible – they call Dalits who traditionally worship Zoomorphic deities as pagans the fit candidates to be roasted for eternity in their christian hell.
“Ambedkar was aware that the most effective means for Dalit liberation was through converting to Islam. He said that the Dalits could choose from between Sikhism, Christianity or Islam, but added that Islam seemed to offer the Dalits the best deal. ”
Ambedkar actually would have prostituted his followers to any one of these religions. But his personal ambitions came in between. If Ambedkar had converted to Islam he would have become a nobody. He would have changed his name to some Abu Baker or some shit like that and would have been a nobody. If he had converted to christianity he would have again been swallowed up by the bishops and pastors. He was quite a cunning guy and he converted to Buddhism which he didn’t realize is Hinduism itself.
Bethal said
Dalitnation what an article man. You have the great talent of becoming a great writer. You can even get that Hooker (or was it booker) prize. Hey one more thing.
I was always a fan of Sonali Bendre the tall model who couldn’t act. Thanks for reminding me of her. Haven’t heard of her in the media for long so you are wrong that the media “always sided with their jatwallah actress like the maharistrian brahmins Madhuri Dixit and Sonali Bendre.” Thanks for all you guys for wasting your time and writing all that rubbish on this article.
fallen monk said
Rajputana ,
Your own history is completely flawed.I am sure you studied history in the RSS shakas where they teach Ramayana , Mahabharata as a part of History.
I am amazed how you claimed that AIT is false , without any hesitation , and that it is a creation of British imperialists.Do you know how many history books will have to be re-written if you directly throw away AIT as an invalid theory?The history of many Asian countries will have to be completely revised if AIT is proved wrong.
Dalits should ignore such hindus who , although themselves can’t consider dalits as humans or ‘equals’ , but are also against any dalit converting to another religion.
Shiva Kanna said
This post is the most funny I have read since a long time. The discussion has been quite stimulating with the Brahmin Bashing and the counter arguements against it. The hate propoganda against Brahmins is carefully orchestrated by most of these people in the same lines of the anti semetic propoganda in Nazi Germany. People like Kancha Ilaiah, Gail Omvedt and V.T.Rajashekar have clearly taken up this poisonous agenda from their Christian and Islamic pay masters who are past masters in this anti semetic agenda and which they now want to employ this strategy and experiment in India.
This is not a new or innovative tactic and has already been employed by the British and also their slaves like EV Ramasamy Periyar in Tamil Nadu. Periyar was from a rich land owning caste whose main grouse was the patriotism of people like Rajaji. He created unfounded propoganda against the Brahmins in the name of Rationalism. Periyar was the least rational of the people attacking a educated and progressive community by labelling them as irrational and expolitative. The same brahmin community in Tamil Nadu whom he attacked produced some of the greatest thinkers, scientists and rationalists like C.V.Raman, Subramanium Chandrashekar, Srinivas Ramanujan, Vilyanur Ramachandran and many others. Till date asia has not had a scientist of the calibre of C.V.Raman. Now that Brahmins are politically and socially marginalised in Tamil Nadu these criminals operating the Dravidian politics don’t know what else to do. The dalits are also now fighting against these criminals and these dalits were sold that idea that brahmins are exploiters and now without the brahmins they are again exploited. The landowning so called dravidians are the richest people in tamil nadu. The dalits again are not one single caste. The whole thing called dalit is an artificial creation and they are a group of thousands and thousands of castes from all over india. The best way the dalits can be exploited is to teach them hatred against brahmins. In india there is no commonality between dalit communities like for example the mahars in maharashtra or madigas in karnataka or gurars in UP. The mahars fought in the british army and many were fighters, the madigas were oppressed scavengers, the gurjars were highly clannish violent dacoits. This is a small snapshot but if we analys the dalit community there is a story behind every caste. This identity is hidden by the boardroom dalit scholars like VTR, gail omvedt and kancha ilaiah.
It was Gandhi who actually went to the ground and worked with the oppressed people. He identified with the most oppressed people and worked the way they worked. But now the dalits are made to belive that Gandhi is demon incarnate.Ambedkar was had little in common with a oppressed dalit. He was an anglophile who in his day to day life mingled mainly with the upper caste and europeans and loved his daily dose of scotch. The really dispossed dalit in India is used as a pawn in this political game. Most of the so called dalit leaders and their followers are rich people claiming to be dalits and oppressed as they belong to a specific caste grouped under dalits. They use the really oppressed people to gain power. They say caste and class are same because the moment we accept the class divide is there across all castes their game is finished. These boardroom dalits need constant news of atrocities on dalits which they use as fodder in their political games. Any atrocity anywhere is loudly broadcasted as the handiwork of brahmins. In none of these Brahmins would be involved and it is very clear from all the recent atrocities on poor people there were no Brahmins and poor brahmins themselves are discriminated. Instead of working on the issues of poverty, unemployment and social welfare these so called dalits are involved in a hate campaign against the powerless brahmins and in reality the oppression continues as brahmins are not the cause. The sooner the weaker and dispossed sections of the population realizes this the better for them. The christian and islamist organizations whose mouth waters at the mention of dalit would never want them to progress but just add them to their community so that they get the numbers to gain power. They are also answerable to their popes and religious leaders in the agenda for conversion. They act as if the christian and islam is a panacea of dalits. As a matter of fact these people have discriminated dalits more than any one else when they had their muslim and christian rules in India.
happyindianhindu said
Wud like to add here that it is unfortunate that because of 1 periyar and 1 vaiko, many nayakas are viewed with the ‘anti-brahmin’ glasses; when in reality it is the opposite – they remain staunch hindus with most as staunch vaishnavites. The bunch that seeks to make a living out of non-brahminism is shunned by every single naidu that i know.
If dalits want progress, they should stop fighting over religion. And concentrate on making money.
Khawatein Voice said
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RK said
LOL. What an article! Salman Khan wanted to save Aishwarya Rai from the caste system by marrying her. This is the most hilarious thing I have ever read.
Moreover, the author(?!) does not understand that the classification said in Bhagawad Gita is based on the profession and not by birth. Thus, Drona, being a Brahmin became the martial and warfare teacher to the Kurus.
People, everyone is same. Differentiating them by birth is the greatest sin and curse of mankind.
ROTFL.
shweta said
This is one silly article by one silly person who has nothing better to do. Life is short brother. Enjoy each breath as it comes. You never know how much is left for you. Sheer stupidity to engage oneself in such hatred.
Law of Attraction will let you understand that the more you focus on all these negativities the more you are going into negativity. Please focus your energy in something positive and you will definitely start feeling the goodness, the abundance and the wealth you have been given.
Please try. Don’t give up !
Puli said
Great. Its great to read the minds of people here. The people who have aired their view here know how to use a computer/internet, allowing me to assume that they are educated.
If the thoughts of the educated people are going in this way, i pity for my religion which has so much of complications and discriminations.
If the educated section of the society is thinking like this………i just can’t imagine how the un-educated people or the people in villages think (by villages, i mean backward areas/locations).
There is no end to the discrimination until this caste system continues. Castesim is never going to stop and so as the discrimination.
The day when people stop to add prefixes to their children’s name (example, Anil SHETTY, Manoj GUPTA, Sanjay SHARMA, Rajasekhar REDDY, Vinay AGARWAL……………………….and the list goes on) will be the beginning of the end of castesim. Until then…….protection/reservation of some kind should be extended to the oppressed or the subject of discrimination.
They day when we decide to name your children without a prefix/suffix which symbolises the caste and the day when the application forms in schools and colleges will be printed without the Caste field, we all can proudly demand an end to the Reservaton Policy.
Closing Note: Baba Saheb is an intellectual and one of the all time Greats in the history of India. Please donot compare any other person with him.
Digrantha said
@Puli
If caste has to go then reservations based on caste lines have to go. The reservations only strengthen the castes and in no way will they help in bringing a casteless soceity. Every caste in india including muslims and christians want to be bracked under oppressed caste to claim reservation. So how will casteism go?
bhaskar shetty said
good comment
My Name is X said
@ Puli
Never seen a more idiotic and stupid person than you. You talk of removing caste and then ask for caste based reservation. Just another means of bringing casteism to soceity and perpetuate to the new generations. The only reason people use caste in application forms in colleges and schools and government jobs is for claiming reservations. Other than that it has no other value. Caste will remain as long as the politicians use it as vote bank. Same with religions and other linguistic divides. The politiians thrive on these divides especially those politicians like who thrive on Caste, religion and linguistic divides. Parties like BSP, BJP, Shiv sena, republican party, dalit sangharshan samithi and many others. These people are the cause of casteism. If not for these people casteism would have disappeared long before.
You say people should stop using prefixes like shetty, gupta, sharma, reddy. Thats actually good in a way. Also pelase ask other religious people to stop using the prefixes on their names like pathan, Khan, Syed, de souza, fernandes, Green, Brown, jain, batliwala and many many many others. Maybe we should ban second names and like malcolm x adopt some alphabet as second name. Lets also start calling ambedkar as Bhim and lets remove ‘rao ambedkar’.
fallen monk said
@Mr X
Caste-based reservations are not an example of casteism , but are a remedy to strengthen the people who are victims of this horrendous system , if not to eradicate the system itself completely.You are demanding that first the caste-based reservations should go and then casteism will also automatically disappear.Don’t you think it is highly absurd , Mr X?If the reservations disappear than this country will become even more backward as some part of it (23% to be precise) would be highly subjugated , harassed and oppressed for no sensible reason , whatsoever , than accident of birth.And when the internal structure of a building itself is so weak , where remains the scope for development?Perhaps , you should ponder on why India is still under-developed despite the fact that this land has all the riches and resources required for a developed nation.In fact , it is not resources and riches alone that decide the status of nation , as Japan is developed even though the land is poor in natural resources.I am sure you might have guess the main factor – social equality and unity.
Without it India will remain a poor country robbed by a few “upper” castes and classes.
Puli said
Hi Mr X,
Thank you for your sensible response.
Infact i appreciate you for the fact that you have actually spent good enough time to read and respond.
Unfortunately, i assume that you have missed these lines written by me.
“They day when we decide to name your children without a prefix/suffix which symbolises the caste and the day when the application forms in schools and colleges will be printed without the Caste field, we all can proudly demand an end to the Reservaton Policy.”
Im trying to say that WE CAN PROUDLY DEMAND FOR AN END TO THE RESERVATION POLICY at the end of the sentence.
You are saying that, “Also pelase ask other religious people to stop using the prefixes on their names like pathan, Khan, Syed, de souza, fernandes, Green, Brown, jain, batliwala………” We, the readers are one amongst this long list and we should initiate things instead of asking other to do or follow. Its not my game or your game. If we feel that its going to help the solution then lets do it together.
And, moreover we are talking about Castesim, lets flush out that feeling from our minds and hearts, then the end-of-reservation policy will fall in place. Infact people will volunteer to come into open competetion when the hearts and minds feel that “Im no more discriminated”.
It takes hours to write your mind and it takes seconds to write your emotions.
I dont mind if people call me an idiot or a stupid as long as people are willing to THINK and contribute thoughts in addressing the issue.
People will feel the intensity of this situation when they actually face it. Metros will not reflect the actual situation……..there are few villages where they still follow 2 glass system in hotels. People are asked about their caste before they are served food and water. When we experience such a kind of discrimination, then we feel the intensity of the problem. Its so easy to say REMOVE RESERVATIONS, we have seen so many people getting killed in Anti-Reservation rallies. If the focus was on Anti-Castesim, we would have seen a different social structure around.
Yeah, u said it right, no political party will survive if they talk about Anti-Reservation. Then, lets do our part, let them survive. Lets not vote for the people who talk about it or who encourage it. All this ……only after the removal of Caste field in the application forms and also from our minds.
Regards,
Puli
Shagun said
Yep I agree. I am pro Reservations for people like Aishwarya and her community. Right way to lift the oppressed people is caste based reservations.
fallen monk said
VTR an Kancha Illaiah are not dalit leaders.They are just vomiting their hatred for Brahmins.They are no different from Brahmins as they play with dalit emotions to achieve their motive.
A true dalit leader is yet to come.
Bharat said
Namaste,
“A person does not become a Brahman by birth, nor does he fail to become a Brahman by birth. A person becomes a Brahman by actions, and he fails to become a Brahman also by actions.” ~Buddha [Sutta-nipata, pg. 650]
In the final section of the Vasettha Sutta (649-652), the Buddha moves from the examination of particular practices to formulate a general theory about the character of human action in the world. The so called fixed biological order, on examination, turns out be a mental abstraction from the relatively stable social practices of individuals sharing the same species nature:
For those who do not know this fact [the naming process]
Wrong views have long underlain their hearts
Not knowing, they declare to us:
“One is a brahmin by birth.”
[But] One is not a brahmin by birth,
Nor by birth is one a non-brahmin
By action (kamma) is one a brahmin.
By action is one a non-brahmin.
For men are farmers by their acts
And by their acts are craftsmen too.
And men are merchants by their acts
And by their acts are servants too.
And men are priests by their acts
And by their acts are rulers too. (650f.)
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Please don’t fall in the mind games. Choose your role-model(s) and emulate him/her and become a good human being. You can be a Buddha, by arousing and realising Buddha in you.
Bharat
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Ranna said
Some folks here have suggested Shramanas were jains. In the ancient times Brahmins, Jains and Buddhists were a highly integrated community. There was lot of intermingling between these communities. The modern day descendents of Shramanas are Brahmins. ‘Sharma’ is a common surname among Brahmins. Vegetarianism evolved from the Shramans who were all ascetics. Not all Brahmins, Jains and Buddhists were Shramanas. However practices like vegetarianism was adopted by the jains and all the other brahmins much later as the economy became more agrarian. Buddhists, including the Buddha were not vegetarian.
Another note, South India was ruled by Jains and Buddhists. There used to be a easy walk in and walk out from the Brahmin, Buddhist and Jain traditions in South India. The adi Kavi (the first poet) of Kannada, Pampa was born a Brahmin but was a Jain in his belief system. He also wrote the Ramayana in Kannada in 2 century CE. In Karnataka there is a history of Jains and Brahmins living together in places like Moodabidri, Karkala and Sravanabelogola. There has been no historical animosity other than theological debates and fights. The same with the Buddhists. We can evidence this in the Badami and Ihole caves where the Saivaites, Vaishnavaites, Buddhists and Jains lived together in separate caves and compartments following their respective faiths. Bodhidharam, was a pallava brahmin prince from tamil nadu and he was instumental in trasmitting the meditation vareity of Buddhism to China and which later morphed as zen in japan.
The Mimasaka and Buddhist Schools were predominanted by people from Brahmin Community. Mandana Mishra was one such famous Mimasaka scholar and leader. He was ‘defeated’ and ‘won over’ in a debate with Shankaracharya and he converted to the advaitha school of vedanta. He changed his name to Sureshwaracharya and headed the Puri Peetha in Orrissa. Mishra is a very common surname among Brahmins in Orissa and North India. There were Buddists whose surname was Mishra in Orissa.
If you just go by the surnames it is quite clear that Brahmins are the descendents of the famous Buddhist clans. Ambedkar’s and Dravidians claim that Dalits were Buddhists and Jain is a historically wrong claim. The dalits have always been pantheistic animists worshipping zoomorphic deities. Infact there is absolutely no proof of any of the thouands of Dalit caste having any links with Buddhism. However it is clear that some modern day Brahmins are the descendents of the Buddhists. It is ridculous for the dalits to bemoan the demise of Buddhism in India as they were no way involved in the Buddhist movement. It was the Brahmin and Kshatriyas who formed the majority of the Buddhist clergy (around 98%). The dalit writers have gone off tangent by pitching Brahmins against Jains/Buddhists and claiming that Dalits are the Descendents of the Buddhists and Jains. If at all any community can claim closeness to the Buddhist tradition in India it is the Brahmins through historical ancestry. Even if they had their theological fights. It is only people who are close who can debate and fight with ideas especially in the ancient indian landscape where there was no communication facilities and the exchange of ideas happened only in close knit societies which even had family and genetic ties between them.
Shambhala said
In this modern age what matters is what practice system and values you adhere to not what your grandfather or great grandfather or some remote ancestor followed.
Poorna said
Ranna thats an important analysis. Based on the surnames of the ancient Buddhists we can make out that all of them converted or got assimilated into the Brahmin fold as many Brahmins have these surnames in the modern age. Not just surnames even popular names from Buddhist lore are preserved through Brahmin names – padma, prajna, paramitha etc. These names were exclusively kept by Brahmins till very recently. Now all hindus have these names.
Ramchandra Shastri said
The first mention of Shramana comes from Taitariya Arnyaka (7th century BC) of the Krishna Yajurveda. śramati tapasyatīti śramana (“a śramana is he who exerts himself and performs religious austerities”). However sramanas came from all castes. There were jain, buddhists and vedics in the shramana tradition. Chanakya the political philosopher was also from the shramana lineage and he was austere in his lifestyle. Buddha studied in the shramana lineage but went out of this as he adopted a middle path as opposed to the extreme austerity of the shramanas. The Jains brought the shramana teachings to the common folks in the ancient cities.
sharmanic said
Hi All,
I am a New Entrant who read all the discussions…To My beloved friends (Dalitnation not included)..When dogs bark there is no necessity of replying them couz we are humans,else there will be a situation for us to reply by barking back..So please close your ears untill these dalit nation ppl bark until they exhaust…If they exceed the threshold limit..any way we will prove them that we wont bark back..but hit with a stone
Seshadri Nagraj said
Hi
I wish to draw the attention of the readers of this wesite to various brahmin websites too especially that of the Tamil Brahmins.
Those are at the other extreme. Does the reality lie somewhere in between or is it skewed towards one of these two sides. Judge for your self.
Who is provoking and who is reacting? Chicken and egg story?
Well what is all this problem about. Caste is the prime cause. Abolish caste which means abolish intra-caste marriage first followed by abolition of caste titles and trace caste identity through both mother and father for banning intra-caste marriages. Finally when all are equal and no caste exists – reservations will stand abolished too. Well then websites on caste may cease to exisit too.
Nobody is going to write anything about anybody because there would be nobody with a single caste identity. Sounds strange? Well caste system sounds as strange to outsiders.
Those at the receiving end might be justified in their anger and venom. Why then equally potent venom from Brahmin websites. Are they opressed too. Have they sufferred over centuries?? Makes me wonder. Who is the victim and who is the oppressor? I am still wondering!!!
Seshadri Nagraj said
Good Dalitnation!!! Contribute your mite to abolition of Caste and rope in the brahmins, who feel aggrieved too. The solution is to abolish caste unitedly with the brahmins who pour thier angst in their websites and are unhappy with the other end of the caste spectrum!!
Just invite them to your efforts at abolishing caste. Find out if they would join you? Try this out with all your innocence!!!!
John said
Actually I think by supporting Salman Khan you are agreeing that beating women is right? I say so because that is what Salman Khan did, he beat up Rai. Shows how stupid you morons are.
avikal said
well well
i am amused to see in what nonsense we as a country have fallen.
truth is how many of us as indians dare to take on brithishers who beat us all with the same stick!!!
they started apartheid and look what they did to native africans…
you say dalits were opperessed…yes that’s true
every human if gets a chance will oppress the lesser being…
i ask how as humans have we fared?
no we have not…
there is no use weeping what the past was?
if dalits wanted they should have revolted in those times.
what is the point of making such a rucus now?
i am born in a brahmin family…
but so what?
one must be a brahmin by work and thinking!!!
birth is just accidental not our will…
i know the person who feels the anger seething within cannot control his feelings but dalitnation think again?!!
IS IT WHAT BUDDHA SAID?
i say if u meditate a little and go deep within yourself then you will know that we all are born shudras and shudra means “trivial”.
isn’t it true that we all waste our life in trivialities and playing in the hands of others?
think and you will know…
your article just speaks of your state of mind….
i will say JUMP IN YOUR OWN BEING AND SEE WHO YOU ARE
if you dont like what i say
then i beg your pardon
and you can brand me another fucking brahmin
but this wont help you…
goodbye
leander said
what a outragsously funny funny and stupid article. I seriously didnt know, people can be so paranoid and hallucinate to such an extreme degree..
May dalit-nation win the Indi-Blogger of the year 2008. AMEN…
maha said
hello……..
friends why are u discussing about aishwarya’s marriage.we really don’t about that whether she mrried a banana tree or not why u r blaming brahmins.
maha said
hai…….
also i’m saying if amitabh dislike his community .then definitely he didn’t do the marriage. this stupid conversation started by ilayya.he dislike unification of dalits – brahmins all over india
maha said
i wrote a mistake in my last post.
please read like this
“also i’m saying if amitabh dislike her community .then definitely he didn’t do the marriage. this stupid conversation started by ilayya.he dislike unification of dalits – brahmins all over india”
Dilip C Mandal said
pl go through Karnataka OBC list. Shetty/chetty/chettiar are OBC and the entry number in central OBC list is 82.
check this URL
http://ncbc.nic.in/backward-classes/karnataka.html
Cool said
Great! Shows how horribly the government functions. Only the rich dalits seem to have benefitted from begging for reservations.
katy said
i, i cume from brahmin femily.. if anyone is trouble ime sorry….
C. L . CHUMBER said
ALL GOVT.JOBS.MUST NOT BE FOR CREAMY LAYER !!!!!
Dear Cool ,
We are very much thankful for your sympathy for poor reserve categories.But you have not sympathy for poor of general category . You and general category people do not demand to apply creamy layer clause to unreserved posts .also .Why double standard ? This is brahminism which is deadly anti reserve category people since the fall of the Indus Valley Civilization .We have recognized the real socio-religious enemy due to like you people.Thanks..
Dilip C Mandal said
“You and general category people do not demand to apply creamy layer clause to unreserved posts .”
well said. food for thought. tks mr chumber.
Manjusha said
To Chumber,
First thing is General Category is not a casteist segment. General category means anyone can compete and there are no sops given and no lesser cut off percentage as in the case of reserved category.
“You and general category people do not demand to apply creamy layer clause to unreserved posts .”
Now let us see what do you mean by this. If you are say applying for a seat in a reserved category for SC/ST or BCs in an engineering or medical college then you have a set of seats that needs to be filled for the total 50% posts irrespective of how many marks they get. Even the cut off percentage for these categories is less. In a general category this is just meaningless as you are competing based on your marks. Just shows how idiotic you are.
To Dilip Mandal,
“well said. food for thought. tks mr chumber.”
Certainly a food for thought for your depraved brain.
h said
Exactly.
Reservations must be for the poor — irrespective of caste.
Rajesh T.R. said
After reading Dalitnation I have come to realize that V.T. Rajashekar is the tallest intellectual in the whole world. He exceeds Ambedkar by miles. I wonder why there is no other sites other than Dalit Voice and Dalit Nation who talk about this great intellectual. Must be a Brahmin and Jewish conspiracy. I heard that one of the Google founder was a Jew and also his professor in Harward was a Tamil Brahmin. Maybe they are controlling the searches in Google.com.
Great you are doing a wonderful job.
Dilip C Mandal said
There is de facto 50% reservation for 15% upper caste people in govt jobs. UPSC is practicing this. pl go through rule 16(2) of UPSC.
Due to this rule, toppers like J Ganeshan’s (rank-4 in gen list of 2006) name finds place only in OBC list. Madras HC had quashed this rule. But supreme court has again ruled in favor of anti reservation forces.
There must be creamy layer criteria for general/upper caste category seats. Why are you people against poor Brahmins?
Dilip C Mandal said
General Category is a casteist segment. Ask UPSC.
Mahesh said
Rajesh,
The Google founders were from Stanford. The Tam-Bram you refer to is Ram Shriram, who was the angel investor and also came up with the name Google instead of the original name Googol.
Therefore according to these guys, Google must be a Brahmin/Jew conspiracy .
Incidentally, the community I was born into is called VishwaBrahmin. Does that make me half racist or what ! ROTFL.
Tamble said
Dalip Mandal,
The best thing is to scrap reservation and allow only the meritorious irrespective of whatever caste, creed, class or religion to gain admission to educational institutions.
The whole policy of reservation is ill conceived, illogical and goes against the basic democratic right of equal oppurtunity.
Dilip C Mandal said
caste is in the DNA of We, The Indians and we all know this. why do not you see the matrimonial columns of the newspapers? lower caste candidates always get less marks in interviews in all the exams. SC/ST/OBC Candidates of AIIMS are demanding that the marks of internal assessment shd be reduced but this is not happening. who is afraid of merit?????
only upper caste people can say that there is no caste discrimination in the society, because they never face this.
Dilip C Mandal said
tamble,
you do not know the meaning of democracy. if it is not inclusive then, it is scrap. you cannot deprive 85% of the population of all opportunities and call this system democracy. all democracies practice some form of affermative action.
the opposition of elites to reservation does not necessarily stem from caste chauvinism but is result of much deeper anti-poor sentiments. It can be simply understood in terms of reluctance of “haves” to share there pie with “have nots”.
no upper caste elit supports mayawati when she said that there shd be 10% reservation for the poors of upper caste.
they conjure up thousand different excuses to explain their anti-reservation stand, the most common being the bogey of merit. is merit not outcome of opportunity plus ability, or only ability defines merit.
would an Einstein born in poor marginalized family of rural India be able to attain his merit?
Tamble said
Dilip Mandal,
“lower caste candidates always get less marks in interviews in all the exams.
SC/ST/OBC Candidates of AIIMS are demanding that the marks of internal assessment shd be reduced but this is not happening. who is afraid of merit????? ”
If this is true the problem here is discrimination. That can end not by lowering the cut off marks and percentage for the SC/ST/OBC but ending discrimination. By lowering the cut off percentage of admission for some castes/groups of people you are starting discrimination all over again.
The problem is to bringing stricter and objective laws not reservation. Why should say the children of Laloo yadav or Jagajivan ram have resrvation. Your reasoning is completely flawed.
“would an Einstein born in poor marginalized family of rural India be able to attain his merit?”
An baby with a potential of einstien will certainly have merit and get through in the general category. The problem here is poverty – provide economic sops to the poor.
Unfortunately reservation does not reach the poor as they drop of school at a very young age. The votaries of reservation are the rich SC/BC/OBCs and these people just have it too easy and trample upon the rights of others. The petty bourguieus dalit politicians of course would support reservation as it is just a free ride for the rich among dalits.
Sundaram said
As a tamilian and unfortunately belonging to a Brahmin caste in TN i had got 94 percent in my pre univesity undergraduate studies. It became impossible for me to get into medicine, my first love. In Tamil nadu the general category is hardly 10 to 15 percent. If a so called upper caste (I am a Tamil Iyengar) has to get into medicine he has to score nothing less than 98% and also a much higher ranking in the entrance test. I had to finally settle for an engineering seat in an REC in far off Punjab. My class mates and some of best friends got into medicine and engineering so easily in Chennai just by the virtue of the fact that they were bracketed under the lower caste. A close friend of mine from the Vanniyar caste(some are oBC/ some SC) got 62% and also a seat in the madras medical college under some reserved category. The friend was son of a textile tycoon whose father’s company had a turnover of 150 crores (at that time in 1991). Many other gounder, chettair, sc and OBC friends of mine also came from rich backgrounds and owned vast tracts of land. As a matter of fact I realised the castes of these people only during the time of college admissions. Wheras I came from an impoverished family, my father had died when I was 4 years old leaving my mother to take care of my sister and me. She did struggle to get us educated by doing odd jobs like cooking and selling agarbhatthis. All our lives we were at the mercy of moneylenders who were from an OBC caste (their caste I came to know much later after my indoctrination into the modern Indian caste pyramid of Periyyar, ambedkar and mandal). I could finish my education through these loans. No national bank would give me loans as we had no property or deposits.
Thankfully I was able to complete my engineering with 88% overall score and thankfully because of the economic liberalization and privatization I could get a job in a private firm. I have now worked for 12 years in the industry on an average of 12 – 18 hours a day. Made a mark in this place where there is no caste system and contributed immnsely to the companies i worked with. I have visited more than 20 countries. Stayed in 4 countries. Have done my higher studies from an american university while working. Thankfully i was saved from the poisonous clutches of reservation and the unjust government policies through private sector through extraordinary hardword and industry. Everyday I hope and pray that more and more Government functions get privatised in India. I am sure not many so called upper caste in Tamil Nadu will be as lucky as me or they have the strength to bear and overcome the injustice.
For my children and the new generation, everyday I pray and hope for the following:
1.Day by Day government becomes inefficinet and corrupt. We see the signs of it already by the corrupt BCs/SCs/OBCs. They have got theeir jobs without any struggle. Havent ever seen a government official work for more than 8 – 10 hours. That is the quantity of time , the less talked about the quality the better. But I wish it crumbles due to this inefficiency.
2. More and more government functions become privatized. The private sector reservation can never take into affect because of the very nature of private capital and ownership. It is just not possible except in some chamcha-lala companies.
3. Education beciomes more and more privatized due to influx of private sector / foreign universities.
4. Our Indian colleges like IITs / IIMs / RECs, Government owned medical colleges and other colleges gets discredited due to inefficiency and lack of talent and in its place, the universities owned and funded by private sector sponsors become recognized.
5. eLearning becomes more and more pervalent and this should allow easy access to knowledge and education.
6. Bank loans become easily available to the meritorious irrespective of caste as Merit and knowledge can act as sureity.
7. The private sector lobbies become stronger and influence the receidual government functions (Administration, police, revenue and other which cannot be privatized). We can see this happening already so there is lot of hope.
8. The castes become more seggregated and each caste asserts its identity as Mr V.T. Rajashekar has propounded. They the so called Dalit and OBC factions disappear as they are artificial constructs. The dalits consists of some thousands of caste with no commonality between them. There is nothing in common between a chamar and mahar or a gurjar. Chamars were cobblers, mahars were sychophants of the british and worked in the british army and gurjars were violent dacoits. All those pipe dreams of BSP and mayavathis will soon turn out to be illusory. Thats why VTRs theories are good. I sometimes feel he is a disguised upper caste guy out to beat the petty bourguios dalit politicians in their own game. In fact no dalit other than the dalit activistis I have met like to call themselves Dalit. Even Navayana Buddhists invest a lot of time in pujas. They like to call themselves by their caste name.
I am not saying that the private sector capitalistsw are angels. They are as corrupt as anyone else. But they are all driven by the profit motive unlike the lotus eating corrupt government institutes and politicians. This profit centerdness and their love for more revenue and profits will make them overlook caste, creed and color and look for efficency and merit. Therein lies the emancipation of poor students.
I was drawn to communism many times and always thought that they were the people who would uplift the working class proletariat. But the capitalist bourgouies have now roped in the petty bourgious dalit politicains like Mayavathis, Karunanidhi and mulayams and many others. I am sure none of these petty bourguious politicains like Mayavathi are concerned about the poor and suffering masses (the proletariat). They are just standing on caste identity to get the bougious among their castes to come to power. So I have now pegged my hope on the capitalists as it works. Communism mixed with caste can be horrible for poor families. Their social engineering would be a death knell for the upper caste poor. Thats why I have started liking the tirade of V.T.Rajashekar and the dalit intellectuals including ambedkar who have completely divorced marxism from their lives and thrive on caste. This will be a big rope and they would finally hang themselves with it.
C. L . CHUMBER said
DEPRAVED BRAINS WORSHIP RAPIST, RACIST & FASCIST SO CALLED GODS !!!!!
Dear viewers ,
I wrote a writing ( May 18,2008 @ 7.18 pm ) under the title ” All govt. jobs must not be for creamy layer .” Mr.Dalip C.Mandal ( May 20,2008 @8.25 am )appreciated my views ” you and general category people do not demand to apply creamy layer clause to unreserved posts also.” Mr. Mandal reproduced this line and wrote in appreciation, “well said food for thought tks mr. chumber .” What was wrong in my writing and in appreciation by Mr.Dalip. C. Mandal ?
Mr./Mrs./Miss Manjusha on May 20,2008 @ 9.53 am said ,” certainly a food for thought for YOUR DEPRAVED BRAINS .” Whose brain is depraved ?
The depraved brains created caste/varna system ! The depraved brains worship the rapist , racist and fascist so called Gods !! The depraved brains are anti-poor of general category !!! The depraved brains demands only creamy layer clause for reserve categories.!!! We Having excellent brains demand that the creamy layer must be imposed on all govt,/semi-govt. jobs so that the poor Indians may get jobs to develop their families.!!!!! The creamy clause may go to pvt. jobs for handsome perks !!!!!! ONE DAY THIS WILL BE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE WHICH THE GOVTS. MUST HAVE TO IMPLEMENT BY IGNORING THE DEPRAVED BRAINS !!!!!!! Thanks.
Manjusha said
Mr Chumber,
As a person so involved in deep Identity politics you have no clue what you are talking about.
When I am addressing a person I am not addresing his caste or beleifs like you. I am addressing their views that they have told and these illogical views are coming from a depraved brain.
You are simply using adhominem arguments to divert the attention out of your illogical arguments.
“The depraved brains created caste/varna system ! The depraved brains worship the rapist , racist and fascist so called Gods ”
Now how do you prove that I created Caste/Varna. Please give me proof.
Please prove to me that I worship dome racist or facist god. I am an atheist for your kind information.
Again I would repeat to you (not your caste or whatever) but just you based on your idiotic rantings in this site – GET SOME BRAIN CELLS – YOU MORON.
Comorade Kranthi said
Sundaram,
Your story is very inspiring and congragulate for whatever you have acheived in your life despite all the hardships you have been meted out by an unjust system. But I think you have got mixed up on the communist stuff.
Communism is about class struggle between the Proletariat and Bourgeous. The proletariat are the working class the economically dispossed irrespective of whatever caste, religion or creed. The dalit thinkers right from Ambedkar and periyar to VT Rajashekar opposed communism not because they love the dispossed people but just because their caste theory will fall apart. Also we should understand that Caste is not Class. A person like Periyar came from an extremely rich family and lived like a playboy till he was sixty. Obviously he couldnt have talked about communism as his supporters were all capitalists/landowning bourgeous. Ambedkar could not accept communism because his support was again from the british colonial capitalists. He got his support base from them and used the Dalits of all classes (not just the poor) as his political weapon. In modern India it is this rich and fuedal so called Dalits and OBCs who are land owners who play this game of caste and vote bank politics. Even they have joined hands with the oppressive Brahmins and other upper caste capitalist bourgeous. Remember how Mulayam singh yadav was the darling of all these dalits and OBCs a few years ago. Now he is seen with ambanis and subroto roys. The same will be with Mayavathi. There is no difference between a Mayavathi and a Jayalalitha. Both are equally corrupt. Only thing is mayavathi claims that she comes from an oppressed caste. It is just a matter of time when these people like BSP disintegrates as they are play the Bougeous identity politics. They will make their money and pack up for a new pack of wolves to come in and loot. THe biggest losers are the poor people who are the dalits, the real dalits.
So it is not about economics at all. Just identity politics. The essense of Communism/ Marxism is completely lost. Marx had said ‘Religion is the opium of the masses.’ but has he seen india he would have said ‘caste is the opium of the masses’. The modern day dalit movement if nothing else will only result in more casteism.
Proudtobebrahmin said
Ha,ha,ha. A perfect example, in my opinion, of what an incendiary post looks like!! Aishwarya married Abhishek because both of them happen to be successful and famous actors in their own right and not because of some conspiracy theory. Dear author, at least inject some objectivity into it to make it believable next time!
C.L.CHUMBER said
MANJUSHA REFRAIN FROM DOME RAPIST,RACIST & FASCIST GODS !!!!!
Respected Manjusha ,
First of all, I congratulate on your refraining from the dome rapist , racist and fascist Gods ! You are the first person who denounced these so called Gods by calling them as DOME ( 23 May, 2008 @ 6.00 am ).in the Dalit-nation blog ! Thanks. Wish you all good luck . Thanks .
Karthikeyan said
Read the pattern in any of the posts made by ‘dalitnation’. Every single post contains lines as “brahmins are rediculing dalits”, “brahmins are jelous of dalits”, and even “brahmins are afraid of enlightened dalits”. Also “brahmins believe only what they want to believe”. He’s repeating this like mantra and deeply writing it in his veins and is pushing in the brains of the masses.
Also he shows no respect to people just because they are brahmins. Maha Vishnu is called in thousand names. But the names dalitnation and C.L.Chumber with which they refer Maha Vishnu is totally uncultured. I don’t think this is a true anger of an oppressed class. This is a propoganda with vested interests in mind. Om Namo Narayanah.
Dilip C Mandal said
In IIM-A, one has to spend Rs 0.55 million every year as tuition fee and income limit for OBC student’ family is Rs 0.25 million. What an irony? What a farce? What a judgment from Supreme Court? No wonder that people are demanding reservation/RTI in judiciary.
Lets ask govt to care for poor of all caste. Creamy layer criteria shd be for every one, including general seats.
you upper caste people do not care for upper caste poor. Do you?
C,L.CHUMBER said
GOVT. MUST BAN ON UNCULTURED BRAHMINS` STILL WORSHIPING AND
GLORIFYING DOME RAPIST,RACIST & FASCIST SO CALLED GODS !!!!!
Dear Karthikeyan ,
You are welcome to this open discussion.First of all,we disscus about your good self`s name.Shiv ji and Gauri`s elder son wasKarthikeyan .In north India,he is known as Kartik.Please you tell us what is the significance of his brother Ganasha that he is worshipped as God and why is discarded Kartik by the vaidik aryans ? Why Shiva beheaded Ganesha ? What are the diameters of a man and of a elephant necks.Ganesh is unnatural born person having unnatural head and a mouse as unnatural mode of transportation.Why Gauri disfavoured Kartik and favoured Ganesh in the race of installation for the seat of spiritual authority ? I think that an inefficient,recommendatory and unnatural person is worshiped as Ganesha God .Can a brahimin meritorious doctor plant a head of elephant on man`s neck in the operation theatre ? The brahmin intellectuals invented the proverb ” shri Ganesh.” which means to start a work.There is wrong start of brahmins.We demand the intellectuals to open the case of spirtual authority of Ganesha and kartik so that our bent of mind may be accordingly.
You wrote,” I do not think that is not a true anger of an opperresd class.This a propoganda with vested interesrs in mind.” Only the bearer knows where the shoe pinches.” RSS projects CHHATARPATI SHIVA JI as HINDU HERO.The brahmins of Maharashtra refused to place TILAK on his forehead at the time of his coronation.A Ghag Bhatt brahmin of Varanasi took Rs. one crore as bribe to place just a tilak on Shiva ji`s forehead.The brahmin community boycotted Pt. Ghag Bhatt.He had to write a book to gave clarification that he had not placed tilak on Shiva ji`s forehead by his hand`s thumb.He wrote that he placed tilak by his foot`s thumb.This means that the entire brahmin community was anti a shudra Shiva ji`s coronation as a king.This means also that they were pro Aurangzeb Muslim king.How did the brahmin peshwas of Shiva ji dethroned his descendat and crushed his head by the elephant`s foot.. Had ever past and modern brahmins condemned these fascist acts ? Why not ? What do you mean by a true anger ? Do you mean bloodsheds ?
Once RSS worker told me that revolution would not come in India. I replied that your scriptures advised you to rape chamar and kumhar women to get the benefit of Allahabad ( Paryag ) and Varanasi pilgrimage.Now a Chamar caste Ms Mayawati CM of your cow belt tied a wrist band on her brahmin BJP ministers.Now these brahmins had to consider a Chama caste lady as their sister ! IS THIS NOT A SOCIO- RELIGIOUS NON-VIOLENT REVOLUTION ? That RSS worker is no more .ONE DAY GOVT. WILL BAN ON UNCULTURED BRAHMIN`S WORSHIPING AND GLORIFYING DOME RAPIST.RACIST AND FASCIST SO CALLED GODS AS THE GOVT.BANNED UNTOUCHABILITY CREATED BY THE UNCULTURED BRAHMINS.THESE WRITINGS WILL BE FOUNDATION STONE ! Thanks.
Dilip C Mandal said
hi mr h/respected manjushaji (May 20, 2008 @ 10:00 am/May 23, 2008 @ 6:00 am )
oft-repeated counteractions of anti-reservationist, is that only the well off sections of reserved category corners all the benefits. it is a glaring truth that even after 60 yrs of reservation policy being in place only 5 % of target population has benefited. if one were to remove so called “better off” individuals also then who would be left to benefit from it?
does an uneducated laborer’s barely literate son would make it to institute like IIMs, IIT, AIIMS specially given the minimum qualifying percentage?
reservation was never meant as a tool for individual’s emancipation but rather of whole marginalized population.
Ishveshwariah said
To Mandal,
The really meretorious should get the seat. If only 5% are filled then there is a strong reason why the reservation policy has failed and needs to be scrapped. If the same 5% rich people avail of reservation what is the point.
To Sundarm,
I think some of the points you made will come into effect in the coming years. Why should education be controlled by the government. Why should they ration it to people based on caste. Lets hope the modern elearning and private sector universtites and colleges get their acts together and discredit the government bodies sooner. I can also see this happening already and just wish it godspeed.
Dilip C Mandal said
Ishveshwariah,
what is merit without opportunities? imagine yourself as a dalit living in a poor remote village and you will understand the importance of affirmative action. almost all democratic countries in the world practice affirmative action for the deprived section of the society.
can you imagine that in haryana villages, dalit girls are asked to clean the floor of the classroom. They have to come early to school. and this is 21st century INDIA! can your sister excel in such scenario? if yes, then there is no need for reservation in India.
Saripu said
Why are people talking against Brahmins in thsi site. It seems to me it comes from a deep seated inferiority complex.
Ishweshwariah said
To Dilip Mandal
You are trying to justify the rich people of Dalit caste to get the sops from the government by quoting some very unjust acts on poor people. If dalit girls are asked to clean floors in the classroom that is extremely inhuman and that issue should be dealt as per the legal guidelines. How is this related to the reservation in AIMS or engineering orand medical colleges. You are mixing things up just to justify why some people (quite rich and socially mobile by many standards ) who are bracketed as dalits should avail of unncessary reservations. The real problem is elsewhere which you fail to see.
Dilip C Mandal said
Ishweshwariah,
The select elite of this country has appropriated the resources of India since time immemorial and they are reluctant to let go of their privilege. Indian state has been a failure as far as upliftment of poor and disadvantaged section of society is concerned. The disparity has only widened since independence.
Reservation was only one of the mechanism of integration and upliftment of historically disadvantaged section. As caste was the basic mechanisms of subjugation in India, it was adopted as the criterion for identifying sections requiring special safeguards. Moreover in absence of other easily identifiable markers it became the sole identifying criterion
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, you have good grasp of Hindu scriptures. Then why is it difficult for you to understand that Lord Ganesha’s murthy is to be taken phylosophically rather than ridiculing it? And Ganesha, not Karthik, is the eldest son of Shiva and Parvathi Devi. Shiva beheading Ganesha, then Ganesha getting elephant head, all have phylosophical significance and a message to the world. This is called ‘Thiruvilaiyaadal’ in Tamil. And the significance of Ganesha is, he’s the remover of obstacles. Ganesha was born to free the worlds from the evil deeds of Mooshikasura, whom Ganesha doesn’t kill but conquers. Then Mooshikasura gets the honour of being Lord Ganesha’s vehicle.
It is ridiculous to say that a Brahmin accepted RUPEES one crore to put tilak on Chatrapathi Shivaji. Which RBI governor had signed the rupee notes he had recieved? Shivaji’s period was the age of kingdoms, and the currency was not standard. They were in the form of copper coins, silver coins or gold coins or other metal coins. One crore rupees!! Chanceless story!!
It is clear from your comment that YOU said to the RSS worker that Hindu scriptures advised Hindus to rape some people. All scriptures, Manu-smruthi, the four Vedas etc were heard by sages by their spiritual ears and where passed down to us in the form of Shruthi and Smrithi. Nobody composed it, and so there is no room for existence of any evil in those scriptures, which can arise only in the minds of uneducated mortals.
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, I haven’t read the book you have mentioned in the comment. But I know a bit of Kabir Das’s life. Kabir Das had a tough time in Varanasi because his behavior was not in sync with the day-to-day life style of that place. He had to reply to the people around him who questioned him and ridiculed him for his unacceptable behaviour. He used books for that. Thats all. Kabir Das was disciple of Ramanandh, a Brahmin. So it is not possible that he condemns all Brahmins. He had developed his own phylosophies, inspired by many Guru’s, including Brahmin Guru’s. He finds that the world around him is not in sync with his philosophies. Because of this differences, the surroundings questioned him, and he questioned the surroundings. It was brahmins around him, so Brahmins were the victim. If it were others, they would be. He used his poems to just counter argue Brahmins and to spread his new philosophies and to revive the people around him from their ignorance. So it is not appropriate to treat his books and teachings as against entire Brahmin community.
Untouchability was banned on the same ground as Zamindari system was banned. Both were evil, so they were banned. So are child marriage, sati system etc. We have constitutional right to follow any religion and hence the right to worship the God’s of that religion. Infact our country is respected in the international forums only because of our diverse culture, and yet unity, acceptance, tolerance and fraternity among different people. We, as fellow citizens, have the unwritten duty to respect each others ideology’s without contempt. And this Brahmins had always been doing. You should also treat Brahmins with the same courtesy.
Karthikeyan said
Also you are telling,
1. If you worship Vishnu, you are uncultured.
2. If you worship Vishnu, Government will punish you.
3. Government will punish you if you worship Vishnu.
What are you trying to do? Are you trying to terrorise Brahmins by means of threat and spoil their great culture? This might work for other unlearned mobs, not on learned Brahmins.
Also you are trying to build hatred between Chamars and Brahmins by telling that Brahmins are here to insult the others’ women? Do you think anybody will stop and patiently ask the Brahmins ‘is it true?’ and try to understand the truth? Won’t they instantly get enraged with the statement and engage in violence? Is this what you want? Else why would you put such a baseless statement.
C,L.CHUMBER said
SLAVES CAN NOT LOVE THEIR MASTERS !!!!!
Respected Karthikeyan,
I respect you from the core of my heart but I also hate you equally when you defends the dome rapist,racist and fascist so called Gods.Dr.Ambawdekar wrote to create immense sharpness between love and hate in your views and actions to mark sharp impressions ! Why do the brahmins hate the STs,SCs,OBCs and religious minorities ? Which Hindu scripture preach to love these people.? Do you lit the fire the scriptures which advocate the raping women ? We will tell the names.of the scriptures If you will not dare to burn ,we will dare to burn these so called scriptures.This is up to you to be a Voltaire or a” PONGA PANDIT ” !
You wrote,” We have the right to follow any religion and hence the right to worship”.( May28,2008 @ 8.55pm ).Do you have the constitutional and ethical right to worship a rapist,racist and fascist.? The untouchability was also a Hindu religious practice which the constitution banned. I do not terrorise the brahmins by demanding the ban on TERRORIST GODS .I am a clear hearted ,true-God fearing and law abiding citizen of the universe.I have already cleared that I neither hate brahmins nor Hinduism.I deadly hate their missdeeds .I have also cleared that I equally hate those who do not retaliate to get their rights as human beings.
The book under reference is ” Kabir-selected couplets from the sakhi in transversion” by Dr.Mohan Singh Karki ( M/S Motilal BanarsidassPublishers Pvt.Ltd.,41,U.A. Bungalow Road,Jawahar Nagar,New Delhi-110007,2001AD.).Swami Ramanand was not guru of Adi-Guru Kabir.If you claim then why not you follow Kabir..In the Guru Granth Sahib ( Kartarpuri Birh -copy compiled by Guru Arjun Dev) ,Guru Kabir said ,” Rama is my father-in-law and I am His son-in-law.The person who worship Rama ,is a dog and will go to the hell.” Are you a follower of Rama or Kabir ? I am a follower of Adi-Guru Kabir who hates the brahmins and Hinduism .My statements are not baseless, baseless are your logics which may be challenged in the court. SLAVES CAN NOT LOVE THEIR MASTERS.THANKS
Philip John said
i am an African American.All I wanna say is this that Brahman and other Hindu cast faggots,racist,punk bastards and Aryan son of bitches can try their best to brainwash and attack us Africans(blacks),they will never be able to succeed in their infidel beliefs and racist ideology.
C,L.CHUMBER said
JUDICIOUS MINDS CAN SOLVE THE INDIAN PROBLEMS !!!!!
Dear Karthikeyan ,
Your good self wrote ( May 28,2008 @ 8.23 pm ) as under :-
” it is ridiculous to say that a Brahmin accepted RUPEES one crore to put tilak on Chatrapathi Shivaji. Which RBI governor had signed the rupee notes he had recieved? Shivaji’s period was the age of kingdoms, and the currency was not standard. They were in the form of copper coins, silver coins or gold coins or other metal coins. One crore rupees!! Chanceless story!! ”
Dear Karthikeyan ! this is historical fact .Pt. Gagh Bhatt received one crore currency of that times.You may read historical books on Shiva ji to confirm it.This is true that the brahmins were against the shudra king Shiva ji because he was an ardent follower of a shudra Sant Tuka Ram who was agaist brahminism..They finished his dynasity and established the Peshwa ( Brahmins ) kingdom by crushing the head of his last predecessor with the foot of an elephant ! In Pune ,the capital of the Peshwas , the untouchables wrer banned to enter.Is it not true ? A brahmin of Pune killed the third class ( Varna ) Hindu rashtarpita of India. Why did they( brahmins ) kill a non-violent prominent person ?
Mr. Karthikeyan , please have judicious mind to solve the Indian problems .Please do not defend the misdeeds of any person or community.
happyhindu said
Thankyou Karthikeyan. Your writing is bang on target and much admired.
Chumber,
Kabirdas was a kriya yogi, and part of hinduism, not opposed to it. Stop spreading baseless lies.
I worship Vishnu. Even worse for you, i am a Hari dasi and a servant of Shriman Narayana. Please complain to the government. I want to see in what way they punish me.
hh said
Your abandam lies will not work online. Neither will they work offline soon.
C,L.CHUMBER said
GOVT.WILL PUNISH IF MR.HAPPY HINDU @ LAVNYA WILL RAPE A LADY LIKE RAPIST VISHNU WHO RAPED PIOUS ADI-MATA VARINDA @ TULSI !!!!!
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ji ,
Your goodself continue to glorify a rapist , racist and fascist as God.You wrote (June 1, 2008 @ 1:58 pm ) as under :-
” I worship Vishnu. Even worse for you, i am a Hari dasi and a servant of Shriman Narayana. Please complain to the government. I want to see in what way they punish me.” I think you have lost patience and is challenging the constitution.The constitution allows you religious freedom but not to glorify and worship the rapist ,racist and fascist person living or dead .You may consult your advocate .The govt. will punish you according to the law of the land if you rape a lady as your God Vishnu raped pioos Mata Varinda !
Dear Happy Hindu ! you threatened me in writing in your email :-
” Your abandam lies will not work online. Neither will they work offline soon.”
You have no logic .Please refrain from dialogue and worship your GODS .Thanks .
hh said
People everywhere are becoming more and more communicative and well-informed. Dunno why you see this as threatening.
Anyways, i agree with you Chumber. Its time to move on.
Kavish Tamble said
Mr V.T. Rajashekar has denounced Dalit Nation in the latest issue of Dalit Voice. He has claimed that Dalit Voice and Dalit Nation has no relationship. Editor please clarify.
Read for yourself:
http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/june2008/reports.htm
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Dr. Kavish Tamble, 1192-E Calavares Blvd, Milpitas, CA-955035, USA: I am a Dalit from Pune, working in California since ten years and an avid reader of Dalit voice. I admire your dedication to raise the consciousness of Dalits and awareness of Dalit issues to the world diaspora. Recently I saw a website claiming to be inspired by you and they have been writing articles imitating Dalit Voice. It seems to me that these sites are run by upper caste people as most of the people abuse Dalits in their comments. There are many Dalit folks in CA who actually want to know if this site has any relationship to Dalit Voice. The URL of this blog is:
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/
In one the articles the editor of this blog has claimed that he has met you in Oxford University in UK. Is this true?
I will appreciate if you can respond to this as I feel that there is something wrong and Dalits might get misguided by this ‘Dalit Nation’. The kind momentum you have built up in raising the consciousness is proving to be a big hurdle for the manuwadis hence all these snoopers like Dalitnation. I have read many books published by your Dalit Sahitya Akademy. I stay in the West Coast of US and working as anesthesiologist.
V.T. Rajashekar
“Dalitnation” is not ours and we have no connection. Our enemies as rulers of India are powerful snoopers. Being a micro-minority they naturally feel threatened. That is why they are awake all the 24 hours to watch any danger coming from any direction to their very existence. Manuwadis are deeply worried about the danger. So they are always an alert community. I was arrested four times, once jailed in Chandigarh. Passport impounded for 20 years, two attempts on life. All because of fighting them. They killed even their own “Father of the Nation”. But our people are sleeping. Even well placed are not supporting us. Dr. Ambedkar himself died a sad man —
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, I respect you too very much, and am concerned that you hate me for being a socially responsible follower. What have Brahmins done against all those categories you mentioned above? (BCs, OBCs, STs, Minorities etc.)? Is competing publicly for various jobs and posts against them? If our Vedas and Smriti’s are doing wrong by categorising people as Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras, then what is the constitution doing by categorising people as BCs, OBCs etc? Who will dare to burn the constitution? You might dare to burn our scriptures because we will treat that as a childish act and forgive you. But government would not do the same if you burn the constitution! I give as much respect to our scriptures as I would to the constitution. And with same respect I will treat Chumber-Smriti too! Neither the constitution nor the scriptures were written to crush anybody. They are written for good governance of society and people. I expect the same quality from Chumber-Smriti too. I think, I’m not making a mistake if I take the texts from all of your posts as a gist of Chumber-Smriti. Do you, as an elder and responsible citizen, think that it will qualify as a book which will inspire and guide a harmonious life? I think it is a big NO! These qualities are there in Vedas. I totally do not understand why its meaning is being misrepresented at various forums. You say you are not angry with Brahmins or Hindus. Then on whom are you with? With Maha Vishnu? There are lots of Purana’s where purushottam Maha Vishnu had exterminated numerous rapists, pascists and tyrants. And you call him with those abusive names! Or are you angry with Maryadha Purushotham, Eka pathni vratha Shree Ram? Because he gave up maatha Sita? He did it to value the words of one of shudras! And isn’t that what you exactly want! As much right the constitution gives us to worship any God, it gives us right not to worship any God too. And government is not competent authority to recognise anybody as God. It is people who choose in which for they wish to see God. Some see him as Maha Vishnu, and some as Buddha, some as Zeus, and some even in the form of father and mother! And God doesn’t need government’s approval or licence to show his mercy! Blessed are those who can recognise God in every form. It is folly to consider one form of God to be superior or inferior, or for that matter, even different from another form. We should learn and practice to respect each others’ view points.
Karthikeyan said
Happy Hindu, we shall not argue or fight here. Just explain every question and complain thrown on us. It is unwise to challenge anybody here because what the opponent wants is the destruction of our peace of mind. And it doesn’t matter to them whether they win or not! We win only as long as we stay calm. You challenged Chumber Ji thus “complain against me, let me see how government punishes me”. Even if the whole parliament votes in your favour and the supreme court declares you as innocent, Chumber Ji still wins because he has destroyed your peace of mind! To some, to win a battle is victory. To some, just pulling some quite person into battle is victory! Haven’t you seen some people unnecessarily ring the calling bell and hide? Haven’t you seen some people blowing horns repeatedly, when it is absolutely unnecessary and pointless? Haven’t you seen some people scratching the paints of a parked car? Do you think they are our enemies? No, they are just disturbances. Only such things is happening on Brahmins and our scriptures. We should not fight them, we should teach them to grow up from this kiddish behaviour. And thanks for your comments on my points 🙂
Sorry for this personal question, do not mind or respond to it if you don’t want to. Is your name Lavanya? Are you Tamil?
hh said
Kartikeyan,
Thanks. True we are not supposed to get disturbed. And wish i didn’t. Cannot help feeling disturbed with how things are. They say when a man needs food and water, you cannot talk to him about god, religion, meditation and stuff that is nonsense to him. Am not sure i shd have been doing all this at all — i don’t feel right.
on the astral plane we are neither names, languages, genders, nationalities, boundries, faces, relationships, etc…hope you don’t mind, names and identities don’t matter..
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY WILL I BURN THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ? ? ? ? ?
Dear karthikeyen ,
You claimed to be ” a socialy responsible follower.” You are neither social nor resposible .You are manuwadi-socialist and your resposobility is to defend as well as worship the rapist,racist and fascist as Gods .We will burn your un-constitutional scriptures and will publish the humanistic literature in varnacular languages . Will you dare to distribute the manu-smirity in the masses as the Christians distribute tbe Bible free of cost ? Every one likes the fragrance and no one likes the maldour !
You wrote ( June 5, 2008 @ 7:26 pm) as below : –
” I give as much respect to our scriptures as I would to the constitution. And with same respect I will treat Chumber-Smriti too! Neither the constitution nor the scriptures were written to crush anybody. They are written for good governance of society and people. I expect the same quality from Chumber-Smriti too. I think, I’m not making a mistake if I take the texts from all of your posts as a gist of Chumber-Smriti. Do you, as an elder and responsible citizen, think that it will qualify as a book which will inspire and guide a harmonious life? I think it is a big NO ”
You can not mantain double standard in a democratic society .The Indian constitution and your scriptures are north pole and south pole.The Indian constitution was drafted and implemented to defuse your scriptures`varna/caste system spirit. I regard the Indian costitution drafted by Dr.Ambawdekar.Why will I burn the constitution ? As far concerned with the CHUMBER-SMRITY,there will not be added even a single word except my editorial.I will only change the gradation and degradation of Manu-Smirity from Brahmin,Kshattry,Vaish,Shudar to Shudra,Vaish,Kshattry and Brahmin in my CHUMBER-SMIRTY to realize the Brahmins,” SOCHO KABHI AISA HO TO KYA HO ? ” !!!!!
You continued to wrrote,”He (Rama banished Sita-chumber)did it to value the words of one of shudras! And isn’t that what you exactly want! As much right the constitution gives us to worship any God, it gives us right not .” Rama killed Shudra saint Shambuk and banished his wife Sita .Rama did not gave chances to both to gave clarifications .There was no appeal , advocate and reasoning in Ram-rajya .The Ram-rajya was a Manu-rajya in practice ! Ram and Sita both suicided .( pl read the uttra-kand of Valmiki ramayna).
Mr. Karthykeyen ! you are not authorised to worship a rapist/racist/fascist as God.You may consult your advocate.You wrote,” We should learn and practice to respect each others’ view points.” The views must be rational based on equality,liberty and fraternity ! THANKS.
Karthikeyan said
I’m not any this-ist or that-ist Chumber Ji. Who am I to defend God. My prayers to God will defend me and keep me away from bad habits, bad company and inspire me lead a disciplined life. The point is as simple as this. Don’t give me any such title, I might not deserve one. Even my parents never asked me to “read Bhagvat Gita”, “read Valmiki Ramayana” or “read Veda”. You are asking me to do. I’m really happy. If at all my parents had said, I might have refused to do so, labelling them as “boring”, “long” or with “i’m busy”. Had you not told us, I wouldn’t know what Manusmriti is.
I wouldn’t distribute Manusmriti or any scriptures to the masses because I’m afraid I might not be the right person to do it. I haven’t practiced disciplinedly many of the rites that I am supposed to. The beauty of our scriptures is its passage through inheritence through family or Guru-Shishya parampara. The hymns and words of the scriptures are very powerful, I must be pure first myself to preach that to others. However I wouldn’t deny the education in the scriptures to anybody, irrespective of their caste creed or religion. But I expect them to give due respect to their learning and to me as a teacher. I wouldn’t teach, atleast scriptures, to anybody who wouldn’t respect me or my ideals.
Karthikeyan said
Ok hh, thanks for valuing my comments again. I’ll treat you as an astral being. Hope you’ll keep reading the comments. I’m happy that I have one regular subscriber to my publishings. Your views and constant encouragement will inspire me to write more.
C,L.CHUMBER said
KARTHYKEAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHUMBER-SMIRITY IDEA !!!!!
Dear Karthykean ,
Your good self wrote ( June 9, 2008 @ 5:37 pm ) as below :-
” Your views and constant encouragement will inspire me to write more..”
I appreciate you and Mr.Lavnya for firm stand for rapists,racists and fascists for which you can not convince the coming generation .You are committed to your dead past as the monkey carries his/her dead child until it torn out into pieces.Actually you manuwadis know the merits/demerits of your religion and Gods but you make the masses fool.You being a teacher must be rational but you and your team is not.. Your behaviour compelled me to the idea of the CHUMBER-SMIRITY for which I am thankful to you and your team.I will dedicate it your team.Thanks.
Human said
CHUMBERji,
I really dont think you are part a low caste,you seem to be an paid Ambassader of Christianity,so for you have told much about Hindu religion.
To other people,
Do you really think caste system will be eradicated when change to christianity
Never ..now there are christian nadars,this wont help…
I agree there was some misinterpretation of Work system as caste system and untouchability was introduced in society after 17 th century.
This is very bad thing happened in the country…and we know lot of people such as Saint .Ramanuja,Vivekanadha,Gandhiji,Ambedgarji and a very lot of saints and persons were working against Caste system.
what exactly happened,
the Varna system was of only four division that too was interchangeable..this is only for the convience of good management of the country.
here you should make note that the caste system was Interchangeable….
Later due to invasion of foreign land hoppers such as christian english,muslim Arabs invaded india and we lost our control..
here also you have to make note of what Lord macalay told about indian wealth and education of every indian in parliament…
during last few centuries Slowly this misinterpretations happened and people started ill treating people…Have you ever heard of ‘Guhan’/Sabari character in Ramayana..and it will be unending problem till we eradicate caste system by bringing the culture back…Hindus have to unite together to eradicate caste system and bring india superpower in all ways..we should not encourage this kind of foreign paid Ambasseders such as christian missionaries and Arabs who are trying to capture country in cunning ways…we should realise and unite together…please know more about Ambedgarji ,Vivekanadaji and Ramayana…
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, I and my religion is not for either standing firm or rejecting outright any idea. I’m for considering all ideas equally and putting it into practice wisely. You have something to say? You’re welcome. Didn’t I welcome the idea of Chumber-Smrithi? When a person gave Gandhi Ji a bunch of paper containing mockery poems about Gandhi Ji, he took and kept the attached pins and clips for his use and threw away the trash papers! Similarly, I pledge you that I will surely follow anything in Chumber-Smrithi that is in alignment with my life-style and ideals. The rest will automatically to to trash. I and my religion can endure any attack. Because I understand the truth. I’m telling this really politely and meekly. There is no challenge, no bet. No defence, no threat. I’m not a religious leader. I’m just a follower. So I don’t have to mix and gulp down all of the texts in the scriptures. Just because I don’t know much about the scriptures, I don’t have to believe whatever you say about them. I can distinguish right from wrong and good from bad. Still be assured that I’ll take all the good advice you might give.
C,L.CHUMBER said
MR.HUMAN DON`T TALK LIKE A INHUMAN !!!!!
Dear Human ,
This is not your legal name.Please produce documents in support of your name.Your good self wrote (June 11, 2008 @ 8:04 am) ,” CHUMBERji,
I really dont think you are part a low caste,you seem to be an paid Ambassader of Christianity,so for you have told much about Hindu religion.”
I was the Tehsil Welfare Officer at 18 and I resigned that post at 21 because I could not compromise with the corrupt system .I went to my director and said ,” I am going on leave.I will not come to you again .” Once I produced a T.A. bill , the brahmin accountant demanded bribe.I torn out the bill and never claimed TA.I left that job and did the marketing for a largest non banking saving company of India having H.Q. at Kolkatta.I was sanctioned advance to purchase a car within two years.At the age of 24,I was one of the rich persons of my distt. level city.At 27,I entered in journalism to highlight the problems of the masses and enlighten them.
My one canal plot in urban estate was canceled as I wrote in my magazine that a Punjab`s minister`s father had alliance with Muslim League to extend the boundary of India up to Delhi.I speeched against that minister and he lost next election.I contested the assembly election .I was threatened by the D.S.P. on behalf another minister against whom I contested.Next election ,we planned to dislodge that party.Now the both ministers are ex MLAs and no govt.of their party.
Mr.Human you blamed me baseless,TRUE GOD will teach you a lesson soon.Thanks..
hh said
Karthikeyan,
Yes you are being read and appreciated. Thanks for continuing.
Reg rishis, made mistakes in communication, not communicating properly ..didn’t relaize implications until it was pointed out..and now feeling guilty as hell.
Need to sort myself inside out first and therefore refraining from posting religion.
mesquiteice said
Friends,
Answer this honestly “ Do you think people calling you some name makes you a physically/mentally challenged person?” Do you think some body thinking of you as a downtrodden person makes you downtrodden”
Imagine a guy calling you blind. Do you immediately lose your eyesight. It is only if “you” believe you are blind then you cannot see. Nothing outside can prevemt you see this beautiful world.
Friends, Backwardness is not in the body. It is in the mind. The power is within.
I find it amazing that the physically/mentally challenged do not feel themselves as backward as some of the people who have strong body and a sound mind.
Get out of reach of people who say that you are a deprived group. In what way are they different from you. All that people can do is make some money out of your emotion or get some political mileage.
Please understand that nobody will help you. The moment they know you are weak they will try to use your weakness. All the so called people who claim to be working for your upliftment are actually not. You have to decide.
The decision to be Backward or Forward is entirely with you. You are on the verge of changing your world and your future generations. Think about it.
If you have decided to be backward, no religion can get you forward. Once you decide to go forward, then the religion doesn’t really matter.
It is really pathetic to see people fighting to be called backward. What a pity. These guys have no belief in themselves. In fact even if they want to believe in themselves, the leader of the group will not allow them.
Liberate yourself. Don’t cry like a baby. GROW UP MAN!
Be Strong and Be Happy.
James said
Upper cast Hindus are using Dalits to increase their numbers. They have no sympathy towards them. Due to BR Ambedkar and many other Dalit reformist dalits are enjoying the reservation. These upper casts oppress all the minorities and blasfaming the minorities. By doing these things they have captured all the resources.
Take pledge not to become fools by these miscreants.
sushmita said
hehehehhe…. this is one of the most hilarious posts ever… why don’t you losers try asking aishwarya whether she belongs to a backward much less suppressed class. i am sure she’ll kick you out as you deserve to be. i am an uppercaste person who is very proud of that. for all the talk talk and talk that you people do, expecting handouts like beggars from the government, private businesses and foreign aid, you don’t deserve anything more than scavenging as your forefathers used to do. and for all the holier tahn thou attitude, if you ahve the guts try and read arun shourie’s ‘worshipping false gods’ where he does nothing except quote people and thereby points out poor ambedkar’s real intentions. even with all the reservations and bits and pieces that are thrown at you people, there will never be any real power or economic strength to people who expect things for free. look anywhere its only and only and only the forward castes that rule. and it will be so till all eternity.
so long lousy people, you really are a shame to the real dalits who work hard to prosper in life.
C,L.CHUMBER said
THERE ARE NEITHER UPPER CASTES NOR LOWER CASTES !!!!!
Dear James,
Your good self said (June 28, 2008 @ 5:23 am ),” These upper castes oppress all the minorities and blasfaming the minorities. By doing these things they have captured all the resources.Take pledge not to become fools by these miscreants.” There is no upper caste and no lower caste .The Brahmins,Kshatriya , vaish and shudra are graded and degraded varnas .The caste/tribes are only in shudra varna.The shudras are not Hindus.The untouchables`movements e.g.Adi-dharam Mandal,Adi-hindu,Adi-dravida,Adi-andhra ,Adi-karnatka,Namo-shudra and many more in modern period and the Bhakti movement of medieval period denounced Hinduism and its Gods.Dr.Ambawdekar also denounced the Hinduism and embraced the Buddhism.You had rightly said,”Upper caste Hindus are using Dalits to increase their numbers.” WE took pledge to fight brahminism with teeth and nails.PLEASE ASK THE CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS/COLLEGES/INSTITUTIONS TO RESERVE 50% SEATS FOR CHRISTIANS AS THE PB.AND HRY. HIGH COURT VERDICT WHEN THE SIKHS IMPLEMENTED.
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji, Well Said
James Ji, Dalit Nation Ji and all others,
WHO IS OPRESSING YOU? Is somebody stopping you from doing business. Is somebody stopping you from inventing new technology. Is somebody stopping you from coming up. The anwer is NO. But you want to cry for nothing.
There are only 2 castes Male (and) Female. Girls will not marry people because of caste. They will marry you only if you are a MAN. ( MEN dont cry. Men are strong) Girls are not matters of politics. I am pained that you can take so lowly about girls as though they are your private property. You think girls are like your tail is it? arent you ashamed to ask for girls on the basis of cast. We should try to be Role Models not beggars to get a girl.
Actually I feel, such possessive people are not worthy of any girl, atleast not aishwarya. What kind of People are you.
I am sorry to tell this to you in public, but i have to. You are a crier. you want to be oppressed. Even thought you have a chance to come out of oppresstion you are choosing to be oppressed.
Dont listen to political people. Do your best and see the results instead of crying. Are you a baby?
I agree that this is a tough time. But unless we fight out tough times, we cannot come up. If you keep on calling yourself as “OPPRESSED” you are oppressing not only yourself by your entire family. You are spoiling the future of india because of your politics.
Let us fight the EVIL of caste system and dont ever call youself oppressed. Do you know a guy without both his legs is planning to win olympics medal. We should be ashamed about ourselves.
Be strong Be Happy
Amarnath said
I am a bunt. I am living a bunt life
The readers are requested to look at the social status of bunts in the coastal karnataka area. There is plenty for you all to google. No doubt there exists casteism in India. But bunts form one of the powerful groups who dominate agriculture in that region. I will not agree for bunts being called oppressed. If you call bunts oppressors, I will agree to it…………. to some extents.
Calling bunts oppressed is ridiculous.
The author of this article, or the source of the author’s information either has mal intentions or is extremely mis informed.
Amarnath said
By the way.
Unlike what is claimed in the above article, V T Rajashekar is from a the bunts community, but that community is in no way opressed.
Read about V T Rajashekar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._T._Rajshekar
it says “He is himself not a Dalit, he is the son of late P.S. Thimmappa Shetty, who retired as the Collector of South Kanara District. He belongs to the well-known Vontibettu Beedu family belonging to the higher caste Bunt community”
ridiculous………. absolutely ridiculous article.
Gagan said
I am a bunt. And anyone who thinks bunts are dalits can kiss my a**. God! I have missed so much on reservations!! If I knew that I was a dalit, may be I could have had all the freebies that come with it.
Bunts are descendants of Greeks and came to India couple of millennium ago.
C,L.CHUMBER said
MANUWADIS STRUGGLE TO MAKE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ” WEAK AND UNHAPPY”
Dear Mesquiteice ,
Your good self said (July 7, 2008 @ 12:17 pm ) ,”Let us fight the EVIL of caste system and dont ever call you self oppressed. Do you know a guy without both his legs is planning to win olympics medal. We should be ashamed about ourselves.Be strong Be Happy.”
First of all , we must get rid of superiority or inferiority complex .The manuwadis are anti-India that is why they as rulers failed to fetch Gold medals.They send Arjuna players and Pandit Daronacharya / Krishna as coaches .The do not allow Eklavvyas in the Olympics due to their manuwadi bent of mind .The other countries send Eklavvyas of their countries .WE fail to win medals due to Pandit Daronacharya coach who do not prefer merit .Krishna in his Gita abuses women of all varnas,Vaish and Shudras men and women by declaring them inauspiciou . WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF WHO DO NOT CONDEMN THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIRS FOLLOWERS .UNLESS WE FINISH THIS SYSTEM WE CAN NOT BE STRONG AND HAPPY .
Amarnath said
I congratulate V T Rajshekar again and wish him all the best in his endeavors in bringing equality amongst us.
India needs more sons like him.
Owner of this blog/site, pl. do not delete my wishes to Rajshekar, like you did last time. Please do not delete my posts expressing my wish to do away with any kind of discrimination in my country. It does not bode well of your intentions.
Karigowda said
I think VTR is far greater than ambedkar in his thoughts. Ambedkar is no match to him. He was just a british ass licker.
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
Normally I do not comment about stories. However, since you are so passionate about stories and believe in stories more than reality itself, please note that one of the allegation that have been raised is that Ekalavya learned all the archery skills by secretly observing the training sessions of Dronacharya. When Dronacharaya found out, he visited Ekalavya to verify his suspicions. Ekalavya itself knew that he should not have done like this and therefore requested Drona to pardon him. Although Drona could have demanded an even greater punishment under the laws in effect at that time, he asked only for Ekalavya’s right thumb, thus making useless the archery skills which he had learned secretly.
Do you know which is true and which is false? Whether you believe it of not all these are stories?
I do not see any reason in blaming someone else for your failure today? Were you stopped from running in the olympics. You want to simply sit and expect that olympics medal should be given ..
More over you have not answered my question about why girls should marry only their own caste which i suppose this discussion is about. Why not others?. Who is dalit nation to tell a girl whom to marry and whom not.
If you don’t want to eat food today just because you were hungry yesterday. So be it.
You also have the option to continue to go without food for the next one year, since you had to go hungry on many occasions in the last one year.
If you are not able to be strong and happy, I can’t help it. Be Weak Be Sad
atleast let others Be Strong and Be Happy
C,L.CHUMBER said
KARIGOWDA HAVE NO COMMON SENSE !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs. Karigowda said (July 10, 2008 @ 9:06 am) ,” I think VTR is far greater than ambedkar in his thoughts. Ambedkar is no match to him. He was just a british ass licker.”
Karigowda have no common sense that Dr.Ambedkar and Mr.V.T.Rajsekhar are neither contemporaries nor opponents .Mr.Rajshekar is admirer of Dr. Ambedkar .Dr.Ambawdekar was neither an ass nor British licker.
He was bestowed by the Indian Govt.with the title BHARAT RATTAN posthumously ! He was the first law minister of Indian Republic .He drafted the Indian Constitution .The Brahmins found him fit for son-in-law ! Adi-guru Kabir said : –
AN ASS`S BETTER THAN A BRAHMIN , A DOG`S BETTER THAN ALIEN GOD !
Siddhartha said
Oh, come on! Do you seriously think Brahmins have enough co-ordination to carry out a conspiracy? They’re all too busy trying to be clean anyway.
There’s no bloody conspiracy. Please occupy yourself with ways to improve the Dalit community. Not identifying an imaginary enemy. Agreed, the Brahmins have it better. That doesn’t mean they’re only occupation is holding us back.
This is shameful.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WORSHIPING RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IS REALLY SHAMEFUL !!!!!
BUT SHARAM TUM KO KEON AATI NAHIN !!!!!
Krishna said
My Gods are neither rapists, racists nor fascists.
They portray life as it can be. They live life in every situation, every emotion as it can be.
They show how i can live – both as evil and as good.
And then they guide from ignorance to light.
The choice is left to me how i decide to take it.
All strories have an ending.
You are picking only the middle portions of the story to suit your anger.
mesquiteice said
CHUMBER JI and all others,
Do you understand at least now (based on what krishna has said)that you are in fairy land thinking that stories are real.
Come out and face truth. Dont be shy. After all everybody is a human(whether fascists, rapists or racists) and we are all part of the same ecosystem.
HATE SIN, NOT THE SINNER. One we get this into our heads, this world will become a better place to live for all of us.
Karthikeyan said
I have one question. This blog is titled “Dalit Nation”. How will be the reaction if there were a blog called “Brahmin Nation” or more generally “Hindu Nation” ? Is it fair to link a community or group name with nation? I think it is unfair in a secular multi cultural country. Your comments are welcome.
Karthikeyan said
Someone said “worshipping is more shameful, but seeking reservation isn’t”. I wish to ask the public how enjoying freebies in the name of reservation is more respectable than worshipping God in accordance to one’s own religion.
c.l.chumber said
SWAMI ACHHUTANAND AND SHAHID CHANDER SHEKHAR AZAD SOCIAL REVOLUTIONARY !!!!! Dear readers,
I am on tour to attend th SHAHID CHANDER SHEKHAR AZAD e Swami Achhutanand founder of the Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha`s 75th death anniversarry function as CHIEF GUEST and functions of Shahid Chander Shekhar`s 102nd birth day celebrations at KANPUR ( U.P.).I am one week tour and will reply after 24th instant.Thanks.
kk said
nobody needs divisive groupism in the name of caste, class or whatever humbug.
we are all indians first, let us celebrate that.
C,L.CHUMBER said
BRAHMINS MUST BURN THEIRS SCRIPTURES ADVOCATING DIVISIVE
GROUPING IN THE NAME OF CASTE , CLASS OR WHATEVER HUMBUG
TO CELEBRATE THE INDIAN NATIONALISM !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
HATE SINS AS WELL AS THE SINNERS ! ! ! ! !
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said ( July 21, 2008 @ 5:49 am ) ,” CHUMBER JI and all others,- – – HATE SIN, NOT THE SINNER. One we get this into our heads, this world will become a better place to live for all of us.” Why did not Brahmins since ancient Vedic period get this into theirs heads to make world a better place to live for non-brahmins ? Practice what you preach .If you hate the malaria disease and love the mosquitoes then how the malaria disease will be cured for ever .Will you do that or the health department.`s suggestions to finish the malaria disease as well as the mosquitoes ?
Then the every country must disband the army / police to love the internal and external threats to the country .We say ,” HATE SINS AS WELL AS THE SINNERS ! ! ! ! ! “
C,L.CHUMBER said
ANALYSTS ANALISE EVEN FICTIONS AND NON-FICTIONS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said (July 11, 2008 @ 10:31 am ) ,” Do you know which is true and which is false? Whether you believe it of not all these are stories? ” An analyst even analise the fictions and non-fictions . If you treat the Eklavya`s sorrows in the Mahabharta a story then why you worship the heroes of fictions .Why did you preach fiction ? Please have a judicious mind .
hh said
Chumber-ji,
Itihaasas (ramayan, mahabharat) are not fiction.
Puranas are not fiction either, but they are exagerrated accounts with some metaphorical stuff in it; and therefore may not be free from some interpolation as well.
mequiteice said
Dear ChumberJI,
Please be clarified that no body who has any sense will worship a hero or preach fiction.
A sensible person will try to become a hero. You are only talking about ekalvya and kabirdas which is not enough. We have to become like them and be a guiding light.
Please note that we cannot be come great by blaming others and fighting. We can become great by forgiving.
It may be worth for an analyst who is paid, to analyse fiction and non fiction. For our country and our people who are suffering from hunger, no amount of analysing will help.
However, since you seem to have a very judicious mind and a deep understanding of the subject, I suggest you analyse the life and works of Subramanya Bharathi.
If you want to really hit the base, I suggest you analyse Gauthama Buddha and Jesus Christ
This analysis will help us, not in understanding bharathi and buddha and christ but in understanding ourself.
As far as your comment that you want to hate sinners, all i can tell you is that we should correct ourselves before finding fault with others. everybody who does make mistakes. The question is wheter you are able to understand it and correct it when you come to know it. Any person who says that he has never done a mistake or sin is either an idiot or hypocrite.
Please let me know your opinion on DALITNATION’S view that “Girls should marry only those whom the are told to marry? should girls not marry whom they like
Karthikeyan said
“you hate the malaria disease and love the mosquitoes then how the malaria disease will be cured for ever.”
Also, you hate the malaria disease and also hate the vaccine that prevents malaria, then how can you escape the risk of malaria. Brahmins are not mosquitoes, they are vaccines.
“Why did not Brahmins since ancient Vedic period get this into theirs heads to make world a better place to live for non-brahmins ?”
Vedic Brahmins had everything in their heads and preached what is welfare for entire humanity. The concept of “dalit”, and other words were invented by power hungry politicians and imperialistic foreigners.
Everyone should respect every others religious feelings unbiasedly to celebrate the Indian Nationalism.
C,L.CHUMBER said
I WILL NEVER REPLY TO MR. KARTHIKEYAN IRRATIONAL , WORSHIPER AND DEFENDER OF RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS . EVERYONE SHOULD HATE EVERY OTHER`S RELIGIOUS FEELINGS BASED ON RAPEISM, RACISM AND FASCISM TO CELEBRATE THE TRUEST INDIAN NATIONALISM AND HUMANISM !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY NOT RAMA FORGAVE RAVNA ,SITA AND SHAMBUKA ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mequiteice said (July 28, 2008 @ 12:54 pm ) ,” Please note that we cannot become great by blaming others and fighting. We can become great by forgiving”
Then why are the Brahmins worship Rama who did not forgave
Ravna , Sita and Shambuk ? Why did Rama banish innocent and pious Sita ? Why did Rama kill innocent and pious Saint Shambuk ?
Why do brahmins worship Parshuram who did not forgave kashattriyas ? Why did brahmins not forgive Muslims for the Babri Masque ? Why did they demolish the Babri Mosque ? Practice what you preach !
Yes , the Brahmins forgave the rapists , racists and fascists .They not only forgave them but also declared them theirs GODS !!!!! They should be ashamed !!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHO TELLS THE LIE FOR WHOM ? ? ? ? ?
DEAR VIEWERS ,
I wrote ( C,L.CHUMBER said,July 25, 2008 @ 1:59 pm ) : – ” If you hate the malaria disease and love the mosquitoes then how the malaria disease will be cured for ever .Will you do that or the health department.`s suggestions to finish the malaria disease as well as the mosquitoes ? ”
An irrational , worshiper and defender of rapist,racist and fascist Gods( July 28, 2008 @ 5:52 pm ) distorted my above views as below : –
” you hate the malaria disease and love the mosquitoes then how the malaria disease will be cured for ever.”
” Also, you hate the malaria disease and also hate the vaccine that prevents malaria, then how can you escape the risk of malaria . ”
WE SHOULD BE JUDICIOUS MINDS NOT DICTATORS TO DISTORT ANOTHER`S VIEWS . THEN THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE DIES AUTOMATICALLY AND THE WAR BEGINS WHICH ENDS IN DEATHS OF BOTH SIDES .THE IRRATIONAL PEOPLE QUERLE WHEN THEY LOST LOGIC TO PROVE RIGHT THEM SELVES .WE ARE RIGHT AND OUR FORE FATHERS WERE ALSO RIGHT BECAUSE THEY PREACH EQUALITY , LIBERETY AND FRATERNITY .
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
Firstly, I want to reiterate that you are giving so much importance to stories but not to your brothers and sisters ( all Indians)
PLEASE BE CLARIFIED THAT ANY BODY WHO DOES NOT FORGIVE IS NOT A BRAHMIN! RAMA WAS A KSHATRIYA AND THOUGH PARASURAMA WAS BORN A BRAHMIN HE WAS A kSHATRIYA BY KARMA.
WHY RAMA DID NOT FORGIVE SITA?
Rama adhered strictly to his duty both as a king and a husband. These conflicted when society thought that Sita was unfit to become queen. But Rama had to send away Sita since his duty of king came first. He was ready to sacrifice his happiness for the sake of his duty. A legend by Rishi Agastya in the epic states that Vishnu in a previous age had been cursed by a rishi, whose wife had been killed by Vishnu for sheltering his enemies escaping from battle. The Rishi condemns Vishnu to be denied for a long age, the companionship of his soul mate, just as Vishnu, by an inadvertent display of anger, had deprived the rishi of his loving wife. Thus Rama, Vishnu’s incarnation, must live the rest of his life without Sita.
WHY IS RAMA CONSIDERED GREAT?
As a person, Rama personifies the characteristics of an ideal person (purushottama) who is to be emulated. He had within him all the desirable virtues that any individual would seek to aspire, and he fulfils all his moral obligations (maryada). Rama’s purity and piety in his intentions and actions inspires affection and devotion for him from a variety of characters from different backgrounds. For example, he gave up his rightful claim to the throne, and agreed to go into exile for fourteen years, to fulfill the vow that his father had given to Kaikeyi, one of King Dashratha’s wives. This is in spite of the fact that Kaikeyi’s son, Bharat, begged him to return back to Ayodhya and said that he did not want to rule in place of Rama. But Rama considered his dharma as a son above that of his own birthright and his life’s ambition. For such supreme sacrifices, and many other qualities, Shri Rama is considered a maryada purushottam. Some of his ideals are as follows:
1. At the time when it was normal for kings to have more than one wife, Rama gave ideal of having a single wife. After Sita was banished, he was doing penance with a gold statue of Sita. In Balakanda of Valmiki Ramayana it is written that Rama and Sita resided in each others heart.
2. Rama always followed his promise at any cost. In fact, he went to forest to make his father’s promise to Kaikeyi true. There are many examples of Rama’s promises which he kept. Most important are the promise to sages to save their lives from Rakshasas, getting back Sugreeva’s kingdom, making Vibhishana the king of Lanka.
3. Excellent friend: Rama had very touching relations with his friends irrespective of their status. Some of his friends are Nishad-raj Guh, King of Nishaads (a caste whose profession was hunting the birds), Sugreeva (the Vanar king) and Vibhishana a Rakshasa
Source of information: WIKIPEDIA
Karthikeyan said
“Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.”
How can I, a mere mortal succeed. Bye friends, I’m stopping commenting here (don’t know if temporarily or permanently) until I get some life out.
C,L.CHUMBER said
BEWARE OF FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS WELL AS CREATOR,PERSORVER AND FOLLOWER OF VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY WORLD POWER !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
NEITHER BRAHMA NOR RAM WERE GREAT HUMANITARIANS !!!!!
THEY BOTH DISCARDED THEIRS WIVES .BRAHMA TRIED HIS BEST TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER ,THEN GREATEST FEMINIST TRUE BHAGWAN SHIV JI BEHEADED BRAHMA TO SAVE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr,Mesquiteice said (August 5, 2008 @ 12:48 pm ) ,” Chumber Ji,Firstly, I want to reiterate that you are giving so much importance to stories but not to your brothers and sisters ( all Indians) .”
MY ANSWER IS : – I HAD ALREADY REPLIED THAT I AM QUOTING FROM YOUR SCRIPTURES .IF THESE ARE STORIES,THEN YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS AND YOUR GODS ARE MYTHOLEGICAL .I PURCHASED A VALMIKI RAMAYNA IN 1976 AD FROM M/S HASANAND & SONS,NEW DELHI IN WHICH THE LAST CHAPTER ” UTTRA KAND ” WAS NOT PUBLISHED.THE PUBLISHER SAID THAT THIS CHAPTER WAS FICTITIOUS .I ASKED HIM THEN HOW YOU CAME TO KNOW ABOUT THE RAM RAJYA WHICH IS RECORDED IN THE”UTTAR KAND ” .HE HAD NO ANSWER .DR. AMBEDKAR WROTE THAT THE BRAHMINS REVISED VALMIKI RAMAYNA 5 TIMES .PLEASE DECIDE YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS OR NOT ? SECOND , WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ? I AM DOING THIS JOB DAY AN NIGHT FOR MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ( COUNTRY ) AND YOU ARE WORSHIPING , DEFENDING AND GLORIFYING YOUR RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
( 2 ) PLEASE BE CLARIFIED THAT ANY BODY WHO DOES NOT FORGIVE IS NOT A BRAHMIN ! RAMA WAS A KSHATRIYA AND THOUGH PARASURAMA WAS BORN A BRAHMIN HE WAS A kSHATRIYA BY KARMA.
MY ANSWER IS : – Your question is irrelevant .Both your Rama Kshattry and Brahmin Parshuram had been discussed many a times in this blog.Please read carefully how they were cruel even towards theirs innocent and pious family members !!!!!
( 3 )WHY RAMA DID NOT FORGIVE SITA ? Rama adhered strictly to his duty both as a king and a husband. These conflicted when society thought that Sita was unfit to become queen. But Rama had to send away Sita since his duty of king came first. He was ready to sacrifice his happiness for the sake of his duty. A legend by Rishi Agastya in the epic states that Vishnu in a previous age had been cursed by a rishi, whose wife had been killed by Vishnu for sheltering his enemies escaping from battle. The Rishi condemns Vishnu to be denied for a long age, the companionship of his soul mate, just as Vishnu, by an inadvertent display of anger, had deprived the rishi of his loving wife. Thus Rama, Vishnu’s incarnation, must live the rest of his life without Sita.
MY ANSWER IS : – RAMA TESTIFIED SITA`S PURITY BY AGANI IN LANKA .THEN HE MUST CAME TO PROTECT SITA AS AN HUSBAND AND A KING. HE NEVER CHARGE SHEETED SITA .HE SAID TO SITA TO ACCOMPANY LAXMAN TO VISIT HOLY PLACES .WHEN IN THE FOREST LAXMAN SAID THAT RAM HAD DESERTED YOU . SHE WEPT VERY BITTERLY AND SHOWED HIS BELLY THAT SHE IS PREGNANT .BUT THE CRUEL DOUBLE BROTHER-IN-LAW ( LAXMAN WAS BOTH JIJA AND DEVAR OF SITA AS SITA`S SISTER WAS MARRIED TO LAXMAN ) OF SITA LEFT HER ALONE .THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF HALF VISHNU ( RAMA ) AND QUARTER VISHANU ( LAXMAN ) .RAMA WAS NEITHER AN IDEAL HUSBAND NOR AN IDEAL KING .HE WAS ONLY THE DARLING OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMINS WHO BESTOWED HIM A TITLE OF INCARNATION OF A RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GOD-VISHANU !!!!!
FROM WHICH EPIC YOU HAVE THIS VISHANU STORY ? VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA W/O JALANDHAR ( PL.READ DISTT. JALANDHAR GAZETEER ,PADAM PURAN,MOVIE TULSI-VIVAH ).THEN RAMA SHOULD QUIT THE KINGSHIP TO SAVE HIS INNOCENT,PIOUS WIFE SITA AND LAXMAN SHOULD RULE THE AYODYA .WHAT IS THE SPIRITUALITY AND HUMANITY IN RAMA`S DECISION TO BANISH SITA AND MURDERING SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK ? ? ? ? ? YOU SHOULD FEEL SHAME IN PROTECTING BANISHMENT OF SITA ? HE MAY SENT HER TO HER PARENTAL KINGDOM .I READ A BOOK OF HINDI WRITERS WHO VISITED SITA`S PARENTAL KINGDOM AREA , THEY RECORDED THAT THERE IS STILL RESENTMENT IN THAT AREA THAT RAMA BANISHED THEIRS PIOUS AND INNOCENT DAUGHTER SITA. SITA`S AREA BIHAR`S MR. LALU PARSHAD YADAV STOPPEDTHE MR.ADVANI1S RAM-RATH.MR.L.P.YADAV IS STILL ACTIVE TO STOP MR.ADVANI.
” WHY IS RAMA GREAT ” MR.MESQUITEICE IS ADVOCATING STILL . HE IS DOING MARKETING OF EXPIRY DATE MEDICINE .BEWARE OF EXPIRY DATE MEDICINES AND RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS / CASTE SYSTEM / VARNA SYSTEM TO KEEP FIT YOUR SELF AND YOUR SWEET COUNTRY !!!!!
mesquiteice said
Karthikeyan Ji,
Success or Failure is not in our hands. But your fight against stupidity should never stop. As much as you remove stupidity around you, India will become a better place for all of us.
What will ultimately count is not whether you won or lost, but how much you tried.
Bhagat Singh/Mahatma Gandhi/Subramanya Bharathi/Rani Laxmibai/Tipu Sultan/Tantia Tope/Chatrapathi Shivaji/Ashoka to name a few lost their lives but their efforts never lost life,it inspired millions of our brothers and sisters to understand that we are one(INDIAN)(There are so many brothers and sisters who are still losing their lives just because of some politically motivated stupidity).
Ultimately whether stupid of intelligent, arent we all brothers and sisters?
At this point when our brothers and sisters fail to understand that we are one, it definitely pains us from the heart. Let us hope that they lose their childishness and become sensible.
Do not mistake me requesting you to comment on this blog if you dont like, All I want to say is “DONT GIVE UP HOPE” because when you give up hope, you are making millions of people give up.
May the TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPH
Jai Hind
h3 said
u guys are lost …. all of us are jus plain human…. fuck yo all
mesquiteice said
Mr. CHUMBER.
I SPOKE ABOUT RAMA SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE HARPING ABOUT SUCH STORIES AND THAT TOO IT IS NOT MY OPINION, IT IS FROM A PUBLIC SOURCE AND BASED ON FACTS.
WHEN I TOLD YOU NOT TO WASTE TIME ON STORIES, YOU TOLD THAT STORIES ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT YOU ARE AN ANALYST IN THESE MATTERS.
YOU ARE THE ONE FINDING FAULT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING YOUR OWN FOLLY. YOU ARE THINKING THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY GOOD PERSON AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS BAD.
WHILE YOU ARE ABLE TO TALK SO MUCH BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY, YOU ARE UNABLE TO ACCEPT ANY THING WHICH MAY BE GOOD ABOUT IT. THAT IS YOUR ATTITUDE?
Karthikeyan said
Thanks Mesquitiece Ji,
Nice finding people whom even I don’t know offering support/advice to me. It was tough to stay at the place where I’m being bashed and thrashed. You can count and see how many times I was attacked personally in this blog. This was kind of tooo much on me and I couldn’t stand. And worst of all, nobody seemed to express any condemnation to such personal attacks in public forum.
Atleast you are encouraging me to hold on. This makes me feel better.
Jai Hind!
C,L.CHUMBER said
I WILL DARE TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT WORSHIP YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! I WILL CONTINUE TO EXPOSE YOUR EVIL GODS IN EVERY HOOK AND CORNER OF THE WORLD !!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
MR Mesquiteice said ( August 7, 2008 @ 9:34 am ) said ;-
Mr. CHUMBER.
( 1 ) I SPOKE ABOUT RAMA SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE HARPING ABOUT SUCH STORIES AND THAT TOO IT IS NOT MY OPINION, IT IS FROM A PUBLIC SOURCE AND BASED ON FACTS.
*****MY ANSWER IS : – I HAD ALREADY REPLIED THAT I AM QUOTING FROM YOUR SCRIPTURES .IF THESE ARE STORIES,THEN YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS AND YOUR GODS ARE MYTHOLOGICAL( C,L.CHUMBER said,August 6, 2008 @ 4:35 pm ).
( 2 ) WHEN I TOLD YOU NOT TO WASTE TIME ON STORIES, YOU TOLD THAT STORIES ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT YOU ARE AN ANALYST IN THESE MATTERS.
*****MY ANSWER IS : – I NEVER CLAIMED THAT I AM THE PERFECT ANALYST OF ANYTHING .
(3) YOU ARE THE ONE FINDING FAULT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING YOUR OWN FOLLY. YOU ARE THINKING THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY GOOD PERSON AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS BAD.
***** MY ANSWE IS : – I JOINED THIS BLOG ON 14-4-2008 A.D. I NEVER FIND A SINGLE BRAHMIN WHO DENOUNCED THE RAPIST,RACIST AND FAST GODS .I AM CRITICISING THESE EVILS.THAT IS WHY YOU ARE BADS AND I AM NOT ONLY GOOD , I AM THE BEST AMONG YOU.YOU WROTE IN FICTITIOUS NAME.WHAT IS THE PROBLEM IN REAL NAME ?
( 4 ) WHILE YOU ARE ABLE TO TALK SO MUCH BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY, YOU ARE UNABLE TO ACCEPT ANY THING WHICH MAY BE GOOD ABOUT IT. THAT IS YOUR ATTITUDE?
***** MY ANSWER IS : – IS THERE MORE BAD TO DEFEND EVILS LIKE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM.WHAT CAN EXPECT NAZIS FROM AN HUMANIST .LIKE ME ? I NEVER WROTE ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR RESPECT UNLESS YOU
WROTE WRONG . I JUST REPLIED LOGICALLY.YOU ARE SO CALLED UPPER CASTE PERSON , YOU EXPECT FROM ME A SO CALLED LOW CASTE PERSON TO WORSHIP YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS.I WILL DARE TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT NOT TO JOIN YOUR BAD COMPANY !!!!!
h said
Karthikeyan,
Knowingly or unknowingly those that are oppressed become the oppressors themselves. Its an unfortunate fact.
These are people who like to attack the person instead of the viewpoint.
Forget them. Don’t take them seriously.
It is the height of foolishness to link the denouncing of Gods with the betterment of SCs and STs. As though their position gets improved not by acquiring skills or education but by ‘denouncing Gods’.
How to talk to such people. Don’t waste your time over this. Move on to a forum where you may find answers to your questions and find nice people to talk to.
C ya.
mesquiteice said
karthikeyan ji,
you are most welcome.
mesquiteice said
Mr. chumber
you said” BEWARE OF EXPIRY DATE MEDICINES AND RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS / CASTE SYSTEM / VARNA SYSTEM TO KEEP FIT YOUR SELF AND YOUR SWEET COUNTRY !!!!!
Dont take this as a comment. I know it was just a slip of your finger. Please refer to INDIA as OUR SWEET COUNTRY hereafter, I will be glad. Thanks
Jai Hind
icely said
what bramin dalit stupid talking all are same people
C,L.CHUMBER said
UNTOUCHABLES( SCs )ARE NOT HINDUS.THEY HAVE A SEPARATE IDENTITY !!!!!
-DR.AMBEDKAR IN ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
*****ACCORDING TO THIS TERMINOLOGY ,HINDUS ARE CALLED SAVARNAS AND OF THE UNTOUCHABLES AS PANCHAMAS .SUCH A TERMINOLOGY COULD NOT HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE IF SEPARATION HAD NOT BECOME SO PROMINENT AND ITS OBSERVANCE SI NECESSARY AS TO REQUIRE COINING OF SPECIAL TERMS TO GIVE EXPRESSION TO THE FACT .
*****
Sharath Rao said
All individuals are responsible for their own deeds and collective guilt is a
deadly scam. The idea that when a person who is part of some group does
something bad in history and remote past, all people in that group are responsible is a logical fallacy caused by group thinking – a fallacy that contributes greatly to the evil done in the world.
C,L.CHUMBER said
STUPIDS DO NOT DIALOGUE , THEY QUARREL WITH EACH OTHERS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Icely said ( August 8, 2008 @ 3:07 pm ) , ” what bramin dalit stupid talking all are same people .”
PLEASE READ THIS QUOTATION : –
IRON SHARPENS IRON ; SCHOLAR , THE SCHOLAR !!!!! -THE TALMUD
mesquiteice said
DRINKING HEMLOCK POISON WILL NOT ANY PERSON SOCRATES.
TRY TO BE LIKE YOURSELF. YOU MAY ACTUALLY BE GREATER THAN SOCRATES
Dear Brother CHUMBER ,
Firstly, If you are so particular about names, change the name of this blog which talks bad about our sister “Aishwarya Rai” which is the right of every human. Why are they talking bad about our sister. DONT INSULT OUR SISTERS, THEY WILL MARRY WHOEVER THEY LIKE, WHO ARE YOU TO COMMENT ABOUT IT???
please dont make fun of my name, I know you have a very good name, but that that does not mean you can abuse me as “FICTITIOUS”. I never told that your name is fictitious (have i ever asked you about your name). PLEASE RESPECT OTHERS EMOTIONS. HAS INDIAN CONTITUTION BANNED ANY PERSON FROM HAVING ANY NAME. In fact I dont want to have any name so what. If i tell my name I know you will make comments on my name and make fun? ACTUALLY I want to have the name CHUMBER. I will try. If there are any rules regarding name/identity for this blog, please let me know. I will respect it. Otherwise, please dont try to divert from the main matter.
You wrote “( 4 ) WHILE YOU ARE ABLE TO TALK SO MUCH BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY, YOU ARE UNABLE TO ACCEPT ANY THING WHICH MAY BE GOOD ABOUT IT. THAT IS YOUR ATTITUDE?”
***** MY ANSWER IS : – IS THERE MORE BAD TO DEFEND EVILS LIKE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM.WHAT CAN EXPECT NAZIS FROM AN HUMANIST .LIKE ME ? I NEVER WROTE ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR RESPECT UNLESS YOU WROTE WRONG . I JUST REPLIED LOGICALLY.YOU ARE SO CALLED UPPER CASTE PERSON , YOU EXPECT FROM ME A SO CALLED LOW CASTE PERSON TO WORSHIP YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS.I WILL DARE TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT NOT TO JOIN YOUR BAD COMPANY !!!!!
PLEASE DONT WORSHIP ANY GOD. is any one asking you to worship any god? but why are you creating enimity between brothers and sisters becase you have problems with god. If you have problems with god, then go and fight it with him. Dont create enimity within brothers and sisters.
I understand that you are not against any caste, but you do not like the way some of the people are behaving and ill treating you. If this is correct, I would like to join you in your fight for your rights. but if you trying to do politics and create problems for OUR COUNTRY, by dividing brothers and sisters based on some stories/caste then please reconsider your position. THIS HAS BEEN BANNED BY INDIAN CONSTITUTION. NO body has the right to talk bad about any body on the basis of caste/creed or religion.
I want to request you not to divide OUR INDIA, by creating walls based on stories and comics. Please note that creating hatred and enimity among our brothers and sisters is banned by indian laws.
SARE JAHAN SE ACHCHA, BHARAT DESH HAMARA.
Karthikeyan said
“Guilt is a deadly scam”. Wow! Great! An eye opening statement Sharath Ji!!
hh said
mesquiteice, very nicely put. thanks very much.
if chumber-ji does not like hindusim, he is free to chose any faith he wants. That is his personal choice. Let him not make the mistake of representing the wishes of other millions.
C,L.CHUMBER said
HOW ” SARE JAHAN SE ACHCHA , BHARAT DESH TUMHARA ? ”
AAH SHUDAR KE LIYE HINUSTAAN GHAMKHANA HAI !!!!!
SHARAM AATI HAI ISE APNA WATAN KAHITEY HUEY !!!!
DEAR VIEVERS ,
I FIRST OF ALL I THANK MR MESQUITEICE FOR HIS REMARKS( August 12, 2008 @ 7:38 am) ,” I.understand that you are not against any caste, but you do not like the way some of the people are behaving and ill treating you.” IT IS TRUE THAT I AM VERY MUCH FED UP FROM THE BEHAVIOUR OF A GANG OF SOME PERSONS WHO WROTE BAD REMARKS AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATORS , DR. AMBAWDEKAR , V.T.RAJSEKHAR , KANCHA ILLAIAH , DALITS INCLUDING MYSELF .A FEW YEARS AGO , I BEAT MY PET DOG BITTERLY .HE LEFT OUR HOME .WE TRIED OUR BEST TO PACIFY HIM BUT IN VAIN .I DID LEARN A LESSON FROM THAT SELF RESPECTFUL GOD .IN OUR CULTURE DOG IS WORSHIPED AS GOD FOR HIS SINCERITY TOWARDS MAN.! CHANKYA WAS MISBEHAVED BY THE KING MAHA PADMANAND AND CHANKYA UPROOTED HIM WITH THE HELP OF CHANDER GUPAT MAURYA .DO WE HAVE LESS SELF RESPECT THAN CHANKYA ? IF HE COULD UPROOT A KING , WHY NOT WE CAN UPROOT BRAHMINISM WHICH MADE BILLION TRILLION PEOPLE`S LIVES A HELL ? WILL THE BRAHMINS BEAR THE HUMIAILATION WHICH OUR PEOPLE FACE DUE TO THEM ? THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION IS WITH US AND WE SUFFERERS NEED TO STAND WITH THE CONSTITUTION !!!!!
YOU GOOD SELF REPEATED THE POETRY OF DR.MOHAMAD.IQUBAL .HE ALSO WROTE ,” AAH SHUDAR KE LIYE HINDUSTAAN GHAMKHANA HAI !!!!! SHARAM AATI HAI ISE APNA WATAN KAHITEY HUEY !!!! YOUR COUNTRY AND OUR COUNTRY ARE TWO SIDES OF A COIN JUST LIKE A POSH AREA AND SLUMS OF A METRO CITY .YOU CAN NOT LIVE A NIGHT WITH YOUR FAMILY IN THESE SLUMS . A TRUE GOD WILL NOT SPARE THOSE WHO MAKE THE LIVES A HELL OF INNOCENT , HELPLESS AND POOR CITIZENS OF INDIA . ONE DAY THERE WILL BE A FRENCH REVOLUTION TYPE REVOLUTION TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY AN IDEAL FOR THE WORLD. MY INNER HEART SAY THAT THE DAY IS NEAREST TO US !!!!! PLEASE LET US MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE FROM RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM , THESE ARE NOT COMICS STORIES .IF THESE ARE STORIES THEN THE HINDU SCRIPTURES FROM WHICH THESE REFERRED ARE FICTIONS AUTOMATICALLY !!!!!
mesquiteice said
PLEASE NOTE THAT ANYBODY CAN MARRY ANYBODY. NO BODY HAS ANY RIGHT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT OTHERS WIFE OR MARRIAGE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT ANYBODY CAN FOLLOW ANY RELIGION. NO BODY HAS ANY RIGHT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT OTHERS RELIGION.
Dear Chumber Ji,
You are most welcome. However, you have answered only a part of my discussion.
For the sake of viewers i want to say that Chumberji has quoted Dr. Iqbal who is ashamed to call this country as a part of his body?(please correct me if i am wrong)
This country is our motherland. We feel proud about it irrespective of anyone who is ashamed. The Father of our nation said that villages are the heart of our country. we are all proud of our villages as much as we are proud of our software parks and special economic zones. PLEASE DONT CREATE IMPRESSION THAT SLUMS ARE INFERIOR TO OTHER PLACES.
IT IS JUST LIKE SOME PEOPLE GO BY AEROPLANE, SOME PEOPLE GO BY TRAIN, SOME PEOPLE GO BY MOTORCYCLE AND SOME BY CAR. WHAT IS THERE TO BE ASHAMED ABOUT GOING IN MOTORCYCLE OR WALKING. IF YOU FEEL THAT GOING BY TRAIN IS INFERIOR, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. DONT BLAME OTHERS.
Please note that i am also fed up with people talking bad about others. Why is dalit nation insulting a person like Dr. Ambedkar? What right does dalit nation have to talk about private life of a person and his marriage and wife etc. He has done so much for our country and yet these people treat him like this. WHY?
I request everybody not to talk bad things about other peoples wifes. Savitaji was the principal source of inspiration to a legendary personality like Babasaheb, who played a pivotal role in framing the Constitution of our country and a good person. Why are you taking mileage from her caste and religion. WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT INSPITE OF BEING A BRAHMIN SAVITAJI FOUGHT FOR IMPROVEMENT OF OUR COUNTRY.
ARE THEY TRYING TO TELL THAT SAVITAJI WAS A BAD BECAUSE SHE WAS A BRAHMIN? WE SHOULD LEARN TO TALK GOOD ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT MARRIAGES ARE A RESULT OF LOVE. NOBODY HAS RIGHTS TO COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLES LOVE. I FEEL IT IS NOT CORRECT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FEEL THIS IS CORRECT.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I WILL NOT NEVER TAKE NOTICE OF MR.MESQITEICE WHO IS IRRATIONAL ,WORSHIPER,DEFENDER AND GLORIFIER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .
HE IS NOW COME TO THE LEVEL OF DEFAMING ME BY MAKING FALSE STORIES .THIS CONFIRMS THAT I AM ON THE RIGHT PATH AND THE MANUWADIS ARE SEVERLY DAMAGED BY MY WRITINGS .I WILL CONTINUE TO EXPOSE THE EVIL GODS AND THEIRS FOLLOWERS WHO ARE ANTI-WOMEN AND ANTI-SHUDRA / ANTI-BAHUJANS !!!!!
to-mi said
mesquiteice,
you have an enormous amount of patience.
hats off to you.
hh
mesquiteice said
I HAVE NEVER GLORIFIED ANY GOD. I DO NOT MAKE / ENDORSE STORIES.
Chumber Ji,
FIRSTLY PLEASE DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF GLORIFYING GODS/ MAKING STORIES. I HAVE NEVER GLORIFIED ANY GOD. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TELLING THAT THESE ARE ONLY STORIES.
WHERE DID I DAMAGE YOUR WRITINGS. I AM SORRY IF I HAVE, IT WOULD ONLY BE A MISTAKE.
Taking notice or not is your decision. I have noted several of your posts where you have told that we should debate and that is why i engaged in discussion with you. You only told me to analyse fiction and non fiction to get solution.
NORMALLY YOU ANSWER TO EACH BIT OF THE DISCUSSION POINT BY POINT. THIS TIME I THINK YOU HAVE NOT EVEN READ MY POST.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO EXPOSE ANTI-INDIAN, ANTI-WOMAN PROPAGANDA. MY 100% SUPPORT IS WITH YOU.
JAI HIND.
C,L.CHUMBER said
*****HINDUISM IS BRAHMINISM TO DOMINATE BRAHMINS AS NO. ONE !!!!!
*****BUDDHISM IS KSHATTARISM TO DOMINATE KSHATTRIAS AS NO.ONE !!!!!
*****SIKHISM IS A VAISHISM TO DOMINATE VAISH VARNA AS NO. ONE !!!!!
*****SANT MAT/ADI-DHARAM TO LIBERATE THE SHUDRAS FROM THESE THREE ARYAN RELIGIONS AND RE-ESTABLISH THE SOCIETY BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATENITY AND JUSTICE FOR EVER !!!!!
uknowwho said
*****HINDUISM IS BRAHMINISM TO DOMINATE BRAHMINS AS NO. ONE !!!!!
*****BUDDHISM IS KSHATTARISM TO DOMINATE KSHATTRIAS AS NO.ONE !!!!!
*****SIKHISM IS A VAISHISM TO DOMINATE VAISH VARNA AS NO. ONE !!!!!
*****SANT MAT/ADI-DHARAM TO LIBERATE THE SHUDRAS FROM THESE THREE ARYAN RELIGIONS AND RE-ESTABLISH THE SOCIETY BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATENITY AND JUSTICE FOR EVER !!!!!
So, finally you have expressed your true ideas.
Ad-dharm, no doubt is a wonderful faith – if truly you had followed it, you wud not have abused Ram.
But you cannot force other people to think the same way as you – that would be called imposition.
You are free to pursue Ad-Dharm, no one is stopping you. But who are you to stop others from following the Hindu dharm?
C,L.CHUMBER said
I NEVER FORCED ANYONE TO FOLLOW OR DENOUNCE ANY RELIGION !!!!!
Respected Viewers ,
As you all know,I never forced anyone to follow or denounce any religion.In the modern days , we cannot even force even our family members . I had written that the Hinduism is based on caste / varna system which establishes the Brahmins as no. one in Hindu society .That is why , All non-brahmins will oppose this religion`s caste/varna system which is now declared as anti-constitution ! No body can force slavery to any one . These people must realize that theirs Hindu daynasty in the Nepal had been replaced by the democracy.
I had not abused Rama or any one . I had just exposed a king husband who banished his pious and innocent wife Mata Sita . I will continue to serve my country to liberate the women and aboriginal Indians .This is not a crime .This is a biggest ever task in the universe .We need your co-operation,co-ordination to continue it till the goal is achieved !!!!! Thanks to all.
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
I support your views that brahmins are not no.1.
Since you have taken up the noble cause of liberation of women an aboriginal indians, i have a message (of course subject to comments and better advice):
Liberation has to happen from within. in order to liberate, women and aboriginal indians have to first throw away from their mind that sombody else is superior to them. They should start feeling that they are equal (we must be careful so that they dont think they are superior to others)
In other words liberation shoud happen inside the individuals not outside.
Keep up the good work.
Rahul said
I don’t beleive in any God or rituals. I am an Indian buddhist citizen. We should highlight the best of our culture so that it becomes more accepted and the evils of our culture will fall away. Ultimately we should all strive to acheive rational humanism. Just targetting old arcane beliefs and attacking people based on assumed beliefs is not going to solve any problem. It will only intensify hatred in soceity. Did not the Buddha teach compassion to all. Where in the Buddhist texts is hatred preached. Babasaheb accepted Buddhism to bring in equality and get out of a monstrous caste system. It was the Humanism and compassion of Buddha which attracted Babasaheb to buddhism. He could easily have accepted any other religion like Islam or christianity. But he never did that because Babasaheb was driven by two main things – rationalism and humanism.
My family accepted Buddhism in 1974 two years before I was born. I have accepted the path of Buddha as the rational path and work towards the betterment of downtrodden people.
But I also see a trend in Dalit organizations where more time is spent on abusing Hindus, their gods than discussing concrete measures for development and growth. I have stopped going to these so called dalit meetings nowadays because all their talk is steeped in hatred. This is not the Buddhism I can relate to. We did not become Buddhists to hate people. Why should we shout and scream about how someone worships his god or whatever.
Some dalit activists once came to my house and they saw a Calendar in my room which had the photo of Hindu god Rama in it. I dont care much about Rama or other gods and was using the calendar as a calaendar and hadn’t even noticed the picture in it. My activist friends were so aghast at seeing this calendar that they started on a string of abuse and angry outbursts against the hindu gods. I was wonderstruck at the kind of hatred and resentment these people carried. And these people are Buddhists and cannot even handle a small thing like a image in a calendar. I am just wondering what kind of Buddhism are these people into.
My advice to the Dalit activists is:
– Focus on development of suffering masses don’t focus on the negatives of other people. Fight for your rights but beleive in Humanism. Don’t shout and scream like this website does on how brahmins are doing this and Brahmins are doing that. Instead tell us what your are doing for the suffering and exploited masses.
– Have a positive self image and create a positive self image in your brethren. Stop calling yourself as downtroden all the time. I never call myself a Dalit as it is a negative stereotype. I am a strong man and a Buddhist. Not exploited by anyone and will not be exploited by any.
– When K.R. Narayanana became the first president of India the Dalit writers pounced on him and started making statements like how he is the best and so on. Mayavathi claims that she wants to be the first ‘Chamar’ Prime Minister. She should instead become ‘the Indian Prime Minister’. You cannot scream that Vinod Kambli is a dalit and therefore a great cricketer. Then what are the other cricketers are they bad just because they are not dalit. Please focus on attainments and acheivements rather than what caste these came from. And post facto one day you will realize that the people of the community are doing well. Thats the way to grow.
– Don’t go on and on about what caste you are. Ambedkar converted to Buddhism more than 50 years ago. If babasaheb came back to life and saw our people still calling themselves chamar, mahar and madiga he will be shocked and sad.
– Stop labelling people as evil just because they were born in some caste or religion. This is the realm of sectarian politics based on Identity. There are all kinds of people in all the groups, communities and societies. IF you start a hatred towards communities you are just reinforcing the division and building walls of mistrust and hatred. Instead reach out to like minded people in all communities who are rational and believe and practice Humanism.
This is the way to move forward and be progressive. This I beleive from the bottom of my heart is the Buddha’s way.
Sukhpal said
DEAR RAHUL
WE STOP HATE DISCUSSION IF THEY WILL STOP BURNING RAVANA AND HIS FAMILY EVERY YEAR.
Subbu said
Sukhpalji,
Whats your fucking problem if someone burns ravana. Valmiki ramayana clearly mentions ravana as a brahmin who worshipped shiva and was killed by a kshatriya Rama. valmiki himself calls ravana as maha brahmana.Why are you fucking so sympathetic to brahmin ravana. are you brain dead. It looks like you have drunk the dravidian kool aid of periyar and such loonies lock stock and barrel.
C,L.CHUMBER said
NIETHER YOU ARE BRAHMINS, NOR WE ARE SHUDARS !!!!!
NEITHER YOU ARE BLOOD , NOR WE ARE MILK !!!!!
DEAR Viewers ,
Mr.Mesquiteice said ( August 21, 2008 @ 8:18 am ) ,” They ( women and shudars) should start feeling that they are equal (we must be careful so that they dont think they are superior to others) .”
Our true Gods / True Gurus preached it from the primitive period.They not even preached but they did practicle. Adi-bhagwan Valmik gave shelter to pious and innocent Mata Sita banished by a king husband .He defeated King Ram and his army by his pupils and Sita`s sons Lav and Kush .He made Rama to realize the atrocities which he did with Sita for the sake of kingdom.
Adi-guru Ravidas being a low caste baptised a princess saint Miran Bai. Guru Ravdas challenged the Brahmins that neither you were Brahmins nor we were shudars .He again said neither you were blood nor we were milk ! Adi-guru Kabir challenged the Brahmins if they claim to be Brahmin born by a Brahmin lady then you should born another way !
Dr.Ambedkar and other untouchables leaders struggled hard to out law the manuwad and established the equality,liberity.fratrenity and justice for all legally . The Brahmins should not create nuisance ” old ” culture ! Dr.Ambedkar tried his best to got pass the Hindu code bill but in vain .He resigned as law minister on this issue. Live and let live.
h said
Rahul,
This is so nice to read. Thanks for the post.
mesquiteice said
Rahul & Soham,
I agree.Fundamentalists can never realise because they are in a state where they are trying to protect an identity(called religion/caste/creed) that in fact does not exist. They are caught in a situation where they have to project a falsity to be true. They can never be true because they are choosing to be false. This is their folly
As far as activism in concered, they are fundmentalism coated with reason.
Also, it is my belief that fundamentalists (of all religions/castes/tribes etc) are the ones who are more involved in the procedure than the truth itself. I believe whatever faith one believes, he should believe in them rather than blindly following what others are telling or doing.
Simply put, i believe we should not follow others. I also do not feel that we should follow gods. I believe that by extreme faith, we should attain them(or become them).
For example, if we believe in christ, we become (or should become) a christ ourselves, if we belive in krishna, we become (or should become) krishna ourselves. if we believe in ekalavya’s ideals, we become (or should become) ekalvya ourselves.
This is when we attain what is known as “Moment of Truth”. This is when we realise.
That is why i said :- Fundamentalists can never realise becaue they are in a state where they are trying to protect an identity(called religion/caste/creed) that in fact does not exist. They are caught in a situation where they have to project a falsity to be true. They can never be true because they are choosing to be false. This is their folly
Mukilan@krishna said
Hi to all,
Dalit nation seems to be a fraud one. Aiswarya Rai is a bengali brahmin by birth. Salman Khan is a cheater who cheated her . Dont close your eyes and propagate anti-brahmin feelings blindly.
In real life, brahmins and upper caste people are helping dalits to improve. what is the relationship between muslims and dalits. Dalits are hindus. If u support muslims, then why cant all dalits convert to islam instead of blaming hinduism and being hindus. Dont put stones on your own house.
What muslims did for you? Your leaders got plenty of money from muslims to damage hinduism.
By what way , a common brahmin is against dalits?
It was brahmins who supported and formulated special reservations for dalits.
Even Shankaracharyas are giving assistance to Dalits.
Why are you, Dalit nation propagating foolish and senseless things about brahmins? use your brain and act please.
r u ready to become muslims? r u ready to throw hinduism? r the dalits ready to keep their women in veil and r your men ready to marry four wives and follow muslim culture? by what way muslims will help u dalits, for your progress. It was brahmin and other leaders made u to come out and talk.
Think and act……… Dont publish fraud articles (like one as Aiswarya Rai) in future.
Subbu said
You moron. Aishwarya is not a bengali by any stretch. her only relationship to bengal is that she had rasogulla sized tits till she got it bigger through a boob job.
C . L . CHUMBER said
NEITHER BRAHMINS NOR SHANKRACHARYA EVER HELPED SHUDRAS !!!!!
Dear Vievers ,
Mr.Mukilan@krishna said ( August 24, 2008 @ 8:59 pm ) ,” In real life, brahmins and upper caste people are helping dalits to improve .”
The Brahmins and Dalits are south pole and north pole .The Brahmins have made the non – brahmins lives hell .The non-brahmins have no due regards due to the Brahmins`castiest varna system .The Brahmins worship the Brahma who created this filthy system.How did Shankracharya helped the non-brahmins ? In India , Chhatarpati Shahu ji Maharaj – a shudra king first ever invented the reservation for dalits in his Kohlapur state . The Peshwas Kings – brahmins of Pune banned the dalits to move in Pune with respect !
We need not to convert to any religion.We are not Hindus . We are the aboriginal Indians and the Brahmins – Aryans are forighners .We have much achieved in the constitution which have to be implemented . Why Brahmins oppose reservation of us ? No body can help us .God helps those who help themselves .We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins !
mesquiteice said
WE ARE ALL INDIANS
Chumberji,
We condemn peshwa kings who banned dalits. brahmins can not oppose reservation. It is constitutional. The problem is that every body is calling themselves backward and taking benefit wrongly whereas The actual persons for whom the reservation is required is not getting it.
For eg. a person has a 2 crore Rs. worth Plot. His son is employed in software company and should be earning at least 25000 – 30000 per month. Therefore his gandchildren should not get any reservation. but most of the people want reservation even after having all facilities. the reservation is actually for people who are from tribal area who to score 40% marks have to take as much trouble as other children would take to score 95% marks
Why should a doctor’s/lawyer’s/engineers/software professional children be entitiled to reservation. Why should a minister call himself backward and take benefit of reservation.
You said “We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins”.
Please don’t try to justify/glorify british rule. If you like british rule , I cant help it (but request you to please remember Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekar Azad, Subhash Chandra Bose etc.). Dont ask us to accept that britishers did good things to our country(don’t sell expiry dated medicine). We don’t want any britisher to do good to us. We know what to do and what not
We are not small children to go behind anyone who gives us a sweet, without knowing that it is actually poison.
Why should we go and beg britishers for things. We cannot accept any british rule.
The britishers divided our country on the basis of religion / caste because they knew that they cannot rule us if we are united. We cannot fight among ourselves and open the door for another british rule.
Don’t forget that our country and its independence is our greatest strength. Our country is giving you and ready to give you more.
Please understand the britishers looted so much from this country and took it back to their country. They did not want to live with us. Your so called Aryans on the other hand, left their native places and settled in India and lived and are living with us as an Indian.
Please understand the difference.
Even otherwise any foreigner can become an indian citizen under our constitution. Once a person becomes an indian citizen no body can talk about their earlier citizenship. They have all rights .
Let us do good things in life and build a strong India.
Jai Hind
Krishna said
We need not to convert to any religion.We are not Hindus . We are the aboriginal Indians and the Brahmins – Aryans are forighners .We have much achieved in the constitution which have to be implemented . Why Brahmins oppose reservation of us ? No body can help us .God helps those who help themselves .We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins !
ANSWER:
You are an Aryan. You are the men who got positioned yourselves as “aryans”.
We south Indians are proud of our brahmins.
You need reservations because you are weak. Without crutches, you will limp.
To keep you in crutches, the whole country needs to limp.
Do not talk nonsense without seeing what the Shankaracharyas in south India are doing.
Krishna said
Mukilan,
Ash Rai is bunt, not bengali.
C . L. CHUMBER said
ABORIGINAL INDIANS ARE FLOURISHING IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION WHERE THERE IS NO CASTE / VARNA MENTALITY !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Krishna said ( August 26, 2008 @ 10:25 am ) ,”You are an Aryan. You are the men who got positioned yourselves as “aryans”.
( 2 ) We south Indians are proud of our brahmins.
( 3 )You need reservations because you are weak. Without crutches, you will limp. To keep you in crutches, the whole country needs to limp.
( 4 ) Do not talk nonsense without seeing what the Shankaracharyas in south India are doing.”
My answer is : – Mr.Manu in his Manu-Simrity wrote ,” The sacred thread of a Brahman ( must be ) of cotton , put on ( over the left shoulder ) : of a Kshatriya ( it must be ) of hemp-thread : of a Vaishya , a woolen thread .( Chapter 2nd `s 44th commandment ) .Therefore , the Shudras are not Aryans !!!!! Which positions Shudras got as Aryans may be produced with documents .
( 2 ) The Brahmans of India are of same stock . What did the Brahmans of south India different from north ?
( 3 ) Who made Shudras weak ? The Shudras are not weak , your manuwadi system is weak to establish a society based on equality , liberty , fraternity and justice ! That is why the constitution made provision of reservation for the suffierers of the manuwadi system . Your south Indian Brahmans once praded on Delhi roads demnding reservation for themselves . In future you Brahmans will be so weak that you will be given the crutchis of reservation !!!!!
The aboriginal Indians migrated in modern times in millions to many foreign countries do not avail any kind of reservation .They found there an environment based on equality,liberty , fraternity and justice .They competet even with Englishmen .
( 4 ) What did the Shankracharyas is to save the caste / varna system !They do not arrange mass intercaste marriages . What are they doing ? One of the Shankracharyas murdered his Brahman manager and is facing the trial in the court !!!!!
Mr.Manu wrote in his Manu-Simrity constitution ,” One who is not a Brahman deserves capital punishment for committing adultery .” ( Chapter 8 /359 ) .He again wrote ,” Certainly ( the king ) should not slay a Brahman even if he be occupied in crime of of every sort –” ( Chapter 8/380 ) .Had any Shankracharya burnt the Manu-Simrity like Dr.Ambedkar ?
C . L. CHUMBER said
BRAHMA AND BRAHMANS DIVIDED ADI- INDIA INTO THOUSANDS CASTES !!!!!
MY CHILDREN NEITHER JOINED NOR WILL JOIN GOVT. JOBS !!!!!
Sanjam said
so mr chumber lal chootiya is back!
hahahahahahhahahahaaa
you did not have balls to keep my comments published coz they strip you and your retorts!
LOSERS!!!
h said
~The Brahmans of India are of same stock . What did the Brahmans of south India different from north ?~
No, they are not. You can find southie andhra brahmins of central asian origin and northie chaturvedis with ethiopian genes.
We are proud of our brahmins in the south because they have stuck out well despite all adversity. Go check the literacy rates of brahmins in various parts of India. You will find those of the south, the highest.
If you talk nonsense abt the Shankaracharyas of the south without seeing the activities the mutt is involved in for the benefit of the poor (irrespective of caste), it just means you are a sick individual. And just like someone wrote here, i might want to call you a hitler as well.
Abt the rest of your post:
You choose to remain stuck only one one book – Manusmrithi. Since that is ALL you know, will leave it at that. Am not inclined to be dragged to your level anymore.
h said
~~BRAHMA AND BRAHMANS DIVIDED ADI- INDIA INTO THOUSANDS CASTES !!!!! MY CHILDREN NEITHER JOINED NOR WILL JOIN GOVT. JOBS !!!!!~~
Dear Mr.Foreign-money-stooge,
The British, not brahmins divided Adi-India into 1000s of castes. The British recorded various tribes here alright but got confused with Varna in between. What you call as 1000s of castes among Adi-vasis are actually 1000s of different tribes. God made them. Go blame fate instead of blaming one community.
~~MY CHILDREN NEITHER JOINED NOR WILL JOIN GOVT. JOBS !!!!!~~
Ofcourse, your children are the children of a politician. They will be rich and work in wealth-making sectors. You will keep the government inefficient by begging for reservations. How can your children work for peanuts there?
C . L. CHUMBER said
BRITISHERS GAVE US CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY, GOVT.( LEGISLATURE, EXECUTIVE , JUDICIARY ),RAILWAYS , COMMUNICATION,POSTAL ,ENGLISH , GOVT. SCHOOLS , AIRLINES !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Mesquiteice said ( August 26, 2008 @ 9:15 am ) ,” You said “We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins”.
Please don’t try to justify/glorify british rule. If you like british rule , I cant help it (but request you to please remember Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekar Azad, Subhash Chandra Bose etc.). Dont ask us to accept that britishers did good things to our country(don’t sell expiry dated medicine). We don’t want any britisher to do good to us. We know what to do and what not
My answer is : – I had written only one line which is constitutional historical fact that the Britishers sanctioned reservation in Govt. jobs to untouchables ( now SCs ) . Is it wrong .You bloody fool beasts Brahman forefathers made us worst than the animals .A dog could swim in your religious pond but our innocent forefathers could not even drink water from that so called religious pond .Dr.Ambawdekar @ Dr. Ambedkar `s Mahad Pond Movement is the classic example .When he drank water from that pond , your Brahman manuwadi forefathers poured urine and latrine of the cows to purify that pond .You are still advocating the same filthy philosophy this way or that way which our country`s constitution banned !!!!!
M/S Bhagat Singh , Chander Shekhar and Subash Chander Bose were communal .They fought for their own liberation .They did not fought for SCs , STs and OBCs .Chander Shekhar Azad used to wear the sacred thread out of his shirt which Shudra can not wear .Mr . S.C.Bose opposed the legal rights of SCs . Bhagat Singh was an Arya Samaji which is against the SCs,STs , OBCs , Sikhs,Muslims,Buddhists and Jains .( Please read the daya Nand `s Satyarth Parksh.
( 2 )We are not small children to go behind anyone who gives us a sweet, without knowing that it is actually poison.
Why should we go and beg britishers for things. We cannot accept any british rule.
Sanjam said
Chootiya Lal Chumber is a polygmaous nincampoop asshole, whose mission is to spread hatred, reinforce casteism, fragment our country and ensure that only those who have reservations get the jobs,,, not those who study hard, or work hard, or have brains… but only quotas should decide jobs, promotions, admissions.
MR CHUMBER ,, I WANT TO KNOW THAT BLACKS WERE/ARE MISTREATED IN USA, BUT THERE IS NO “QUOTA” FOR THEM? JEWS WERE KILLED IN ENTIRE EUROPE, IN SO MANY COUNTRIES, THERE IS NO “RESERVATION” FOR THEM?
IF ALL THE COUNTRIES AND COMMUNITIES START CRYING FOR QUOTAS, THEN, THE ENTRANCE EXAMS AND EVALUATION SYSTEMS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED,,,
ALL THE COUNTRIES TRY TO SIEVE OR SIFT TO SHORTLIST HARDWORKING, SMART, INTELLIGENT CANDIDATES,,,
BUT,
GOING BY MR CHUMBER’S ARGUEMENT,,, OUR COUNTRY SHOULD SPECIFICALLY, FOLLOW SOMETHING COMPLETELEY OPPOSITE,,, BY FILTERING INCOMPETENT JERKS LIKE HIM, AND GIVING THEM JOBS, ADMISSIONS, PROMOTIONS AND QUOTAS ETC…
WE ARE ON PATH OF RUINING OUR SOCIETY…
I KNOW BASTARDS FROM CHUMBER’S COMMUNITY WHO ARE ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF QUOTAS AND RESERVATIONS FOR LAST 2 GENERATIONS,,, THEY DONT HAVE ANY SHAME,,,ANY WILL TO DO ANYTHING,,, WHY SHOULD THEY,,, THEY HAVE A QUOTA THAT PROVIDES THEM EVERYTHING!
IF CHUMBER HAS BALLS,,, THEN DONT DELETE MY POST…REASON OUT WITH ME! I’LL PROVE IT TO YOU,, THAT RESERVATION SYSTEM IS A SCOURGE THAT WILL RUIN ANY SOCIETY,,, JUST LIKE OURS!
C . L. CHUMBER said
MR . SANJAM ( SELF-CONTROL ) CALL ME MR.CHUMBER LAL CHOOTIYA !!!!!
Sanjam said,
September 1, 2008 @ 6:27 am
so mr chumber lal chootiya is back!
hahahahahahhahahahaaa
you did not have balls to keep my comments published coz they strip you and your retorts!
LOSERS!!!
C . L. CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU SAY HIS GOD MADE CASTES IN THOUSANDS ONLY IN INDIA !
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr . H @ Happy Hindu said ( September 1, 2008 @ 4:43 pm ) ,” Dear Mr.Foreign-money-stooge,- – God made them. Go blame fate instead of blaming one community.”
My answer is : Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram wrote a book in which he warned not to indulge with the stooges / chamchas . Then he said that hit on the hands in which the chamcha is held and the chamcha will be on the earth ! The chamcha do not have power to move .
I am neither stooge of internal nor external force . Once your fore fathers branded our for fathers the stooge of the Britishers for wanting human rights.Dr.Ambawdekar @ Dr. Ambedkar had to write a chapter ,” False Charge- Are Untouchables tools of the British ? ” in his book ” What Congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables ? Now Dr. Ambawdekar@ Dr. Ambedkar is bestowed posthumously announced by the Indian govt as BHARAT RATAN !!!!! His constitution nullified the Brahma and Brahmans` varna / caste system ?
Now you say me ” Mr.Foreign-money-stooge ” . Last year an Akali leader approached me and said that S. Parkash Singh Badal wish to visit my home during the Punjab Assembly election.I refused to acommodate him . I have no lust for money and chair . I am a saint in plain clothes . For the True God sake , don`t blame like this . You are accountable ethically and legally .Once you wrote that you live in a foreign country .There is also the INTER POL ( INTERNATIONAL POLICE ) .
C . L. CHUMBER said
MY CHILDREN WILL DEFEND ME LIKE LAV AND KUSH WHO DEFENDED THEIR INNOCENT AND PIOUS MOTHER SITA !!!!!
Mr.Happy Hindu said ,”Of course, your children are the children of a politician. They will be rich and work in wealth-making sectors. You will keep the government inefficient by begging for reservations. How can your children work for peanuts there? ” He commented on my writing ,” ~MY CHILDREN NEITHER JOINED NOR WILL JOIN GOVT. JOBS !!!!!~~”
Sometime they say the creamy layer reserve catagory must not avail reservation . Now I made my children to stand without reservation then this My.Happy Hindu enjoy by blaming like this .I am not even a member of a political party . I believe that doing corruption is like the doing intercourse with ours sisters and daughters ! And Mr. Happy Hindu do this by blaming me ! I hate the corruption and corrupt persons . That is why I do not hesitate to expose the sexually and socially corrupt persons which Mr. Happy Hindu worship in the guise of Gods !
He already admitted in one of his writing that he is mad now . Therefore I do not mind his mindless blames .
h said
~~M/S Bhagat Singh , Chander Shekhar and Subash Chander Bose were communal .They fought for their own liberation .They did not fought for SCs , STs and OBCs .Chander Shekhar Azad used to wear the sacred thread out of his shirt which Shudra can not wear .Mr . S.C.Bose opposed the legal rights of SCs . Bhagat Singh was an Arya Samaji which is against the SCs,STs , OBCs , Sikhs,Muslims,Buddhists and Jains .( Please read the daya Nand `s Satyarth Parksh.~~
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Chumber-idiot,
YOU CALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS AS COMMUNAL PEOPLE?
YOU GUYS ARE CLEARLY ANTI-INDIANS. SHAME ON YOU BAST****S.
h said
Beggers are fit only to beg for reservations.
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
Yes it is wrong. Britishers did not GIVE us anything. They only taught us how to fight within ourselves by grabbing other peoples rights. They created enimity between our own brothers. Remember Mangal Panday, I know you will abuse him also . So I will not tell you about him before your response to my discussion below.
How is a person like you who is feeling so much for our SC/ ST brothers and sisters able to talk bad about our brothers who died for us. Didn’t Bhagat Singh sacrifice his life for us to be able to have a discussion like this.
What is the meaning of your word “COMMUNAL” .
It this what you give in return to somebody who gave his life for everybody else(including you and your family) to live independantly.
Is this what you will comment about people who selflessly sacrificed not just their property but their lives.
Are you ready to sacrifice your life for upliftment of SC ST. All you want is to divide people on the basis fo a non existant/expiry dated food called caste/religion and making SC/ST feel lower. You are not giving them an opportunity to fight for survival and making them weak. So that other countries may take away our independance.
We can never accept such things that just because british gave some lolypop to you he is good. Will you abandon your poor mother who is not able to give you rich food for any lady who gives you food. Anybody can give food, but only mother gives life. You do not know how much our mothers suffer to give birth and give you her blood in the form of milk. Just because some lady gives you a choclate, immedialy you talk bad about the mother. This is not correct.
What your talking is an insult to “Bharatmata”. You are talking bad about her son who fought for her freedom. (if you are an indian) Why dont you understand that talking bad about you brothers is like talking bad about yourself. Why do you want to fall in the feet of british. Be brave and tell the british that we do not want you to tell us how we should run our country.
Why are your trying to clothe people with a non existant mask called caste religion and make them unhappy.
If our forefathers had done mistakes, should not we correct it. what is the use of crying like a baby about things of the past.
I want to tell you that “you will never be able to help downtrodden by behaving in this manner”. Be a baba amte. Be a Mother Therasa, Be a subramanya Bharathi.
We have limited life span of 50-60 years. Do good to people in this time. They will remember you. Dont play politics
OPEN UP AND THE WORLD IS OURS.
h said
MY CHILDREN WILL DEFEND ME LIKE LAV AND KUSH WHO DEFENDED THEIR INNOCENT AND PIOUS MOTHER SITA !!!!!
So according to you – Sita is good, Luv and Kush are good but Ram is bad – is that what Valmiki wrote? You are a third grade cheap politician – accept it.
if you call me a stooge, i too will call you a stooge. Strangely, i have no regrets or anger within me for behaving so badly with you.
Idiots like you are not in the process of helping to remove any poverty – they are only in the process of “removing hindu religion”.
I can give you a list of people, including my parents, who served as doctors for free in rural places and continue to serve in charity hospitals. Do you know how it is to teach even basic hygiene to slum dwellers – even sensitizing them to basic awareness of toilet usage is a problem – yes i am proud to say that that is what many elderly people are doing now by becoming part of social organizations.
My grandmother’s sister, a surgeon, did not even marry (she is staunch Vishnu devotee and He, the God is her motivation to serve the downtrodden) – she used up all her ancestral wealth and lifetime earnings to build a free hospital in madras for the type of people that you only pretend to help- to serve your political purposes.
Do not try to threaten me with Interpol and nonsense. You have no idea how far i can go. Yes i have no qualms to admit with regret that i am not even an indian citizen – only recently i have applied for overseas indian citizen status. When i get it, i will infom you – so that you can file whatever case on me.
Also i wish to let you know that there are people who are willing to come out in the open and deal with horrible politicians like you directly – elderly people mostly.
And i am in the process of collecting signatures of those who seek to petition against the “inappropriate representation of hindu religion and misuse of it by politicians”. Comments on this blog by you and Dalitnation will be an example to explain “what is misuse of religion”.
Dalitnation, KEEP THIS POST PUBLISHED. Don’t you ever delete this. Or i will post it again and again.
h said
MY CHILDREN WILL DEFEND ME LIKE LAV AND KUSH WHO DEFENDED THEIR INNOCENT AND PIOUS MOTHER SITA !!!!!
Mr.Happy Hindu said ,”Of course, your children are the children of a politician. They will be rich and work in wealth-making sectors. You will keep the government inefficient by begging for reservations. How can your children work for peanuts there? ” He commented on my writing ,” ~MY CHILDREN NEITHER JOINED NOR WILL JOIN GOVT. JOBS !!!!!~~”
Sometime they say the creamy layer reserve catagory must not avail reservation . Now I made my children to stand without reservation then this My.Happy Hindu enjoy by blaming like this .I am not even a member of a political party . I believe that doing corruption is like the doing intercourse with ours sisters and daughters ! And Mr. Happy Hindu do this by blaming me ! I hate the corruption and corrupt persons . That is why I do not hesitate to expose the sexually and socially corrupt persons which Mr. Happy Hindu worship in the guise of Gods !
He already admitted in one of his writing that he is mad now . Therefore I do not mind his mindless blames .
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Mr.Idiot,
I wrote that you are madder than me. What does that make you, you scumbag?
I am not blaming you un-necessarily.
You yourself know what all nonsense you have written. Now you want to be treated with respect?
Abdul Kalam was not raised in a rich family. Did he not reach the highest positions of the country? Did he avail reservations?
It is good you did not avail reservations for your kids. If you can make them capable of competition, why do you want reservations for others?
You call yourself a saint? No you are not. You are a manipulator, you manipulate people and their words for political gain – you are a 3rd grade politician – not even worth a spittle. [Yes, the most harsh curse statements i have ever made in my life – and again i feel no regret, no remorse – mayb you really are an evil guy].
posting again said
MY CHILDREN WILL DEFEND ME LIKE LAV AND KUSH WHO DEFENDED THEIR INNOCENT AND PIOUS MOTHER SITA !!!!!
So according to you – Sita is good, Luv and Kush are good but Ram is bad – is that what Valmiki wrote? You are a third grade cheap politician – accept it.
if you call me a stooge, i too will call you a stooge. Strangely, i have no regrets or anger within me for behaving so badly with you.
Idiots like you are not in the process of helping to remove any poverty – they are only in the process of “removing hindu religion”. For political gain, nothing else.
I can give you a list of people, including my parents, who served as doctors for free in rural places and continue to serve in charity hospitals. Do you know how it is to teach even basic hygiene to slum dwellers – even sensitizing them to basic awareness of toilet usage is a problem – yes i am proud to say that that is what many elderly people are doing now by becoming part of social organizations.
My grandmother’s sister, a surgeon, did not even marry (she is staunch Vishnu devotee and He, the God is her motivation to serve the downtrodden) – she used up all her ancestral wealth and lifetime earnings to build a free hospital in madras for the type of people that you only pretend to help- to serve your political purposes.
Do not try to threaten me with Interpol and nonsense. You have no idea how far i can go. Yes i have no qualms to admit with regret that i am not even an indian citizen – only recently i have applied for overseas indian citizen status. When i get it, i will infom you – so that you can file whatever case on me.
Also i wish to let you know that there are people who are willing to come out in the open and deal with horrible politicians like you directly – elderly people mostly.
And i am in the process of collecting signatures of those who seek to petition against the “inappropriate representation of hindu religion and misuse of it by politicians”. Comments on this blog by you and Dalitnation will be an example to explain “what is misuse of religion”.
Dalitnation, KEEP THIS POST PUBLISHED. Don’t you ever delete this. Or i will post it again and again.
C .L . CHUMBER said
RESERVATION FOR THE SUFFERERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIRS FOLLOWERS WILL BE UNTIL THEY REGAIN EQUAL SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONA STATUS TO NON-RESERVED CATEGORIES !!!!! THIS NOT A BEGGING , THESE RIGHTS ARE GAINED BY HARD AND LONG NON-VIOLENT STRUGLLE AGAINST THE MANUWADIS !!!!! ONE DAY THE MANUWADIS WILL ALSO ” BEG ” FOR RESERVATION BUT WE WILL NOT OPPOSE BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY MUST HAVE THEIR SHARE PROPORTIONATE TO THEIRS POPULATION OF INDIA !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU IN DIALOGUE THERE IS NEITHER IDIOT NOR BASTERED !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
YES,I AM PROUD TO GET A MERITORIOUS NAME ” Chootiya Lal Chumber ” FROM THE MANUWADI FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Sanjam said ( September 2, 2008 @ 1:13 pm ) ,” Chootiya Lal Chumber is a polygmaous nincampoop asshole, whose mission is to spread hatred, reinforce casteism, fragment our country and ensure that only those who have reservations get the jobs,,, not those who study hard, or work hard, or have brains… but only quotas should decide jobs, promotions, admissions.”
THEIRS FOREFATHERS BRANDED OUR FOREFATHERS AS DACOITS ( ADI-MAHA-BHAGWAN VALMIKI AND ADI-MAHA-GURU NAMDEV ), HRAMZADA ( ADI-MAHA-GURU KABIR ),BRAHMAN IN PREVOUS BIRTH ( ADI-MAHA-GURU RAVIDAS ),SWAMI JUTA NAND ( SWAMI ACHHUTANAND OF ADI-HINDU MAHASABHA ) AND MANY MORE .
THEY BRANDED BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA , SWAMI ACHUTANAND , DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR.AMBEDKAR , EVR NAICKER PERIYAR,JOGINDER NATH MANDAL ,AYYAN KALI AND FOUNDERS OF ADI-ANDHRA , ADI-KARNATKA ,ADI-DRAVIDA AND MANY MORE ABORIGINAL INDIANS MODERN MOVEMENTS AS THE STOOGES OF THE BRITISHERS .
MRS.INDIRA GANDHI,PM OF INDIA HONOURED BABA MUGGOWALIA AS THE FREEDOM FIGHTER AND MR.V.P.SINGH , PM OF INDIA HONOURED DR.AMBEDKAR POSTHUMOUSLY AS ” BHARAT RATTAN”.!!!!!
WE ARE PROUD OF OUR THESE SAVIOURS !!!!! I WILL WRITE THE FOUR SHANKRACHARYAS OF HINDUS TO ANNOUNCE THESE TITLES FOR BRAHMANS ALSO !!!!!
h said
MR.HAPPY HINDU IN DIALOGUE THERE IS NEITHER IDIOT NOR BASTERED !!!!!
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Thanks for the advice Mr.dumbhead.
Yes i know that. Problem is you do not.
And you can be handled only in your way, not anyone else’s way.
I HAVE DECIDED TO CALL YOU RAPIST, RACIST and FASCIST.
See, how much you are teaching me to go much below your own level?
h said
THEIRS FOREFATHERS BRANDED OUR FOREFATHERS AS DACOITS ( ADI-MAHA-BHAGWAN VALMIKI AND ADI-MAHA-GURU NAMDEV ), HRAMZADA ( ADI-MAHA-GURU KABIR ),BRAHMAN IN PREVOUS BIRTH ( ADI-MAHA-GURU RAVIDAS ),SWAMI JUTA NAND ( SWAMI ACHHUTANAND OF ADI-HINDU MAHASABHA ) AND MANY MORE .
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Sorry for talking in between here. But am trying to make you see reason:
Chumber, i too am from a Valmiki tribe admiture.
I already told you that – explained all, but still you will say “their forefathers branded our forefathers as dacoits”……Chumber, why you do not understand WE ARE ALL THE SAME.
Am sure there are many ‘brahmins’ in the present time who will also find matches with people from the Valmiki tribe.
Why cannot you see that Valmiki WROTE the Ramayan which everybody in the whole world is following, even in Southeast Asia.
NOBODY REMEBERS VALMIKI AS ANYTHING ELSE BUT A SAGE. Nobody is branding nobody. Yes, he is a Sage. He is divine.
Valmiki shows you that you too can know the divinity within you and be a sage by becoming him.
Why you do not want to become the Valmiki sage, the one you worship, Chumber. And teach others also the same?
Valmiki taught Bharadwaja – do you know how many people are from the Bharadwaja lineage as descendents or students. They are automatically Valmiki’s students also. They are not different from you and me. They are the same, sharing similar tribal admixture as us.
Why do you call them as outsiders or as labellers? Nobody has labelled anyone.
Please Chumber – as long as you do not twist my words, I will behave well with you.
I am being very honest with you, opening up like this on public domain like this, so that all who read can understand what anti-brahminism is about:
Some years back, i too was brainwashed because of listening to a lot of nonsense. Despite whatever i felt inside, i just shook my head, the atmosphere was so bad. At that time, i could not vent myself or say anything at all.
The way you abuse Rama and Krishna is all very familiar. The words you use is still decent because it is in written form.
All i ask you is this Chumber:
How do you feel when you are humiliated, when you are called names? You even asked me not to call you names, you could not take it right?
Similarly i too felt humiliated and very hurt for being called names for being a shudra, and for being made to feel that somehow or the other i must feel anger for the ‘brahmins’ who caused it me to be a shudra.
When i was growing up, it was a matter of pride to be called a shudra by birth, kshatriya by karma, brahmin in thought and a vaishya by profession.
I still do not find anything wrong in being called a shudra.
Maybe because of my previous grounding or blessing of gurus, i managed to get out that atmosphere, with both spiritual debt and financial debt.
So what you talking is about a been-there atmosphere.
Now, as a friend am sharing a few thought with you:
Brahminism is not casteism or suppression. Brahmins are not different from us. They are the culture which we ourselves have created.
Chumber, when you feel so bad being called such horrible names, will not our brothers and sisters feel the same too ? Why do you repeteadly keep calling them dalits, and strip them of dignity.
i do not deny that you became the perfect punchbag to remove the anger (no wonder there is relief). But Chumber, you are incurring a big sin by misguiding people, by telling them that they can never be hindus, they cannot pray as they like and by causing torture in their hearts by labelling their gods and creating mental chaos.
Every single humanbeing is as sensitive as you and me. I am only asking this as a request (if you make the mistake of mistaking any of this as weakness, you had it – do not tell me i did not warn you) : Please forget poltics. Forget religion. Forget everything. Go and join a social organization with our brothers and sisters, give them education, give them skills, give them opportunites.
See you. Bye.
Issac the Jew said
CHUMBER U ARE A DAMN ARSEHOLE. YOU ARE A RACIST, FASCIST AND A RAPIST!
C.L.CHUMBER said
YOU MAY KILL ME BUT YOU CAN NOT KILL MY REASONIG AND WRITINGS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Happy Hindu ( Dukhi ram ) @
posting again said,
September 4, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
” Also i wish to let you know that there are people who are willing to come out in the open and deal with horrible politicians like you directly – elderly people mostly.”
My Answer is :- I had exposed you Brahmanism , your rapist,racist and fascist Gods , you varna / caste system and more over you modern Brahmans and their illogical ctooges !!!!! What is the use of aimless life ? Now my aim of life is to expose you modern Brahmans that you are neither religious nor non-violent !
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU`S FAMILY LADIES WILL ALSO GIVE SURETY THAT I HAD NEVER RAPED ANY LADY IN THE UNVERSE !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr. Happy Hindu ( Dukhi Ram ) @ H said ( September 5, 2008 @ 11:21 am),” Yes i know that. Problem is you do not.And you can be handled only in your way, not anyone else’s way.I HAVE DECIDED TO CALL YOU RAPIST, RACIST and FASCIST.See, how much you are teaching me to go much below your own level? ”
My answer is : – I had never used abusive language .I had not handeled any one by this filthy way . I am neither racist nor fascist . I had not invented caste / varna like filthy system . I respect the all women like my mother , sisters and daughters . I never visited Mr.Happy Hindu`s sweet home , then how he blamed me as rapist .I am fighting against the rapists , racists and fascists and Mr. Happy Hindu is Dukhi Ram due to my stand .Actually he is the standless as well as senseless !!!!!
shravan said
Ridiculous!
h said
RESERVATION FOR THE SUFFERERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIRS FOLLOWERS WILL BE UNTIL THEY REGAIN EQUAL SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONA STATUS TO NON-RESERVED CATEGORIES !!!!! THIS NOT A BEGGING , THESE RIGHTS ARE GAINED BY HARD AND LONG NON-VIOLENT STRUGLLE AGAINST THE MANUWADIS !!!!! ONE DAY THE MANUWADIS WILL ALSO ” BEG ” FOR RESERVATION BUT WE WILL NOT OPPOSE BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY MUST HAVE THEIR SHARE PROPORTIONATE TO THEIRS POPULATION OF INDIA !!!!!
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Chumber, i forgot to add SADIST to your list of qualities.
So you want people to beg for reservations becasue you already understand that you are begger, right?
Reservations were designed to uplift the poor people — but how much you politicians have abused that system – how many slum dweller have benefitted from it — instead rich people claim ‘low caste’ status and snatch away the share of the poor…..and you justify this system? Tum jaise ko sharm kyon nahi aati.
I am asking you again: Who are manuwadi hindus? According to you anyone who is a hindu, is a manuwadi, is it?
h said
Chumber,
Just answer these questions:
Manusmrithi:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi there is any right to rape?
d) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the manusmrithi?
e) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’? Why did you not use it to target kshatriya women?
Valmiki Ramayan:
a) Where in the Ramayan has Valmiki spoken badly abour Ram?
b) Where in Ramayan or anywhere did Valmiki speak about “dynamatizing the system’ and removing varna?
Indian Constitution:
a) Where in the constitution has the Indian government banned Vishnu, Brahma and Hindu Gods?
b) Where in the constitution does it say that Hindus cannot worship in their own way or follow their faith.
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith? [I ask you this also on the behalf of Buddhists to whom you prescribe they must not meditate, on the behalf of Adi-Dharmis, whose faith you represent so badly; and on the behalf of Sikhs, whose faith you call Jattism].
You better prepare your answers. You will have to answer them in court anyway.
Do not lie, Do not misquote, Do not hide behind your own stupidity. Do not make misuse of your SC certificate – any of that again is liable to give you a few more months behind the bars (its your language and your way, dude).
h said
Posting again. Do Not Delete.
h said,
September 7, 2008 @ 10:12 am
RESERVATION FOR THE SUFFERERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIRS FOLLOWERS WILL BE UNTIL THEY REGAIN EQUAL SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONA STATUS TO NON-RESERVED CATEGORIES !!!!! THIS NOT A BEGGING , THESE RIGHTS ARE GAINED BY HARD AND LONG NON-VIOLENT STRUGLLE AGAINST THE MANUWADIS !!!!! ONE DAY THE MANUWADIS WILL ALSO ” BEG ” FOR RESERVATION BUT WE WILL NOT OPPOSE BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY MUST HAVE THEIR SHARE PROPORTIONATE TO THEIRS POPULATION OF INDIA !!!!!
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Chumber, i forgot to add SADIST to your list of qualities.
So you want people to beg for reservations becasue you already understand that you are begger, right?
Reservations were designed to uplift the poor people — but how much you politicians have abused that system – how many slum dweller have benefitted from it — instead rich people claim ‘low caste’ status and snatch away the share of the poor…..and you justify this system? Tum jaise ko sharm kyon nahi aati.
I am asking you again: Who are manuwadi hindus? According to you anyone who is a hindu, is a manuwadi, is it?
shem said
Posting under another name. Posts under h or hh are either deleted or discarded.
h said,
September 8, 2008 @ 3:01 am
Chumber,
Why you are always living your life for these ‘dear viewers’ of yours……
When you are in trouble, beleive me, nobody will come to your rescue..
YOU MISQUOTED EVERYTHING.
YOU QUOTED YOUR OWN LIES….and then passed it off as “Kabir said this”, “Manusmrithi said this”, etc.
But I will not leave you without answers to these questions:
Manusmrithi:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi there is any right to rape?
d) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the manusmrithi?
e) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’? Why did you not use it to target kshatriya women?
Valmiki Ramayan:
a) Where in the Ramayan has Valmiki spoken badly abour Ram?
b) Where in Ramayan or anywhere did Valmiki speak about “dynamatizing the system’ and removing varna?
Indian Constitution:
a) Where in the constitution has the Indian government banned Vishnu and Hindu Gods?
b) Where in the constitution does it say that Hindus cannot worship in their own way or follow their faith.
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith? [I ask you this also on the behalf of Buddhists to whom you prescribe they must not meditate, on the behalf of Adi-Dharmis, whose faith you represent so badly; and on the behalf of Sikhs, whose faith you call Jattism].
You better prepare your answers. You will have to answer them in court anyway.
Do not lie. Do not misquote / misuse statements. Do not hide behind your own stupidity or make misuse of your SC certificate – that again is liable to give you a few more months behind the bars (its your language and your way, dude).
C.L.CHUMBER said
Mr.HAPPY HINDU ! HAVE YOUR FEMALE FAMILY MEMBERS TOLD THAT I AM RAPIST ? PLEASE CLEAR THIS , THEN I WILL DIALOGUE WITH YOU !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR.ISSAC JEW `S FEMALE FAMILY MEMBERS HAD NOT BLAMED ME FOR ANY RAPE !!!!! THEN HOW HE CAME TO KNOW ? TO WHOM ? WHEN ? WHERE ? MR.HAPPY HINDU AND SO-CALLED ISSAC JEW BLAMED THE SAME .THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING !!!!! WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM THE WORSHIPPERS OF RAPIST BRAHMA ,VISHANU , INDIR AND MANY MORE EVIL GODS !!!!!
SanJam said
WHEN MR CHUMBER CANT ANSWER OR REPLY, HE SIMPLY RECLINES IN HIS CHAIR AND START ABUSING HINDUISM AND BRAHMINS, AND MANUWADIS.
HAHAHHAAHHAHA!!!
MR CHUMBER,
I WANT TO SHARE MY ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER AND EVERY DETAIL SO THAT YOU COULD SEND ME A LEGAL NOTICE.
I WOULD LIKE TO FACE YOU IN THE COURT.
I WANT YOU TO SCREAM OUT IN COURT “SANJAM WORSHIPS RACIST, RAPIST, AND FASCIST GODS”
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SCREW YOU FOR TRYING TO SUBVERT MY RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF PRACTICING A RELIGION OF MY CHOICE!
AND BY THE WAY,, YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED WHY YOUR BRETHREN FAIL EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE/ARE GIVEN ALL THE FACILITIES IN AN ENGINEERING INSTITUTION?
THESE “SO-CALLED” DALITS WERE NOT FROM EXPLOITED LOT, WERE NEITHER DISCRIMINATED OR DOMINATED OR MISTREATED.
RATHER THEY WERE GIVEN VIP TREATMENT AND BETTER FACILITIES THAN ALL OTHER CANDIDATES.
RESERVATIONS WILL FAIL ANY COUNTRY.
QUOTAS WILL DEVOUR ANY SOCIETY.
CHUMBER LALs ARE INFECTING OUR COUNTRY WITH VIRUS…
THATS THE JOB OF A VIRUS,,, SUCK ALL THE BLOOD FROM A HOST,, TILL IT DIES!
MR CL CHUMBER, YOU ARE A MURDERER.
MURDERER OF MERITOCRACY!
h said
Mr.HAPPY HINDU ! HAVE YOUR FEMALE FAMILY MEMBERS TOLD THAT I AM RAPIST ? PLEASE CLEAR THIS , THEN I WILL DIALOGUE WITH YOU !!!!!
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Chumber,
you are talking nonsense.
i am not calling you a rapist. Sanjam is calling you that. Go ask him.
i only said “i have decided to call you a rapist”…but i did not begin calling you as one. I had a change of heart and i do not wish to call you any names anymore.
And do not call me Isaac—i already clarified that i am Shem.
SanJam said
respect begets respect.
mr chumber, it will hurt you seriously if i start condemning dr ambedkar, mr mandal, lord valmiki or anybody revered by the community that you allegedly represent. nobody likes to hear crap about their loved ones or the ones that they worship.
mr chumber, i may not be religious, i may be an atheist, totally devoid of understanding the concept of god, divinity, caste, dalits, brahmins, allah or anything at all.
but there is one thing that i do understand and want to assert. please try not to criticize or use foul language about those who are revered. a huge difference between you and others on this blog is that your outbursts quote fabled history which doesnt have any bearing on present or future of this country. should we start prosecuting germans since they mistreated jews in world war 2? should we start killing spanish people, as they invaded and killed thousands of latin americans?
history is a subject that teaches us a lesson to prevent mistakes, understand the shortcomings of a particular set-up, evolve to avoid such disasters. japan, had invaded china and inflicted innumerable atrocities, if you could recall “rape of nanjing”. it happened in the first quarter of this century.
but do you see japan and china fighting each other today? do you chinese foul-mouthing japan in open forums or international meets? japan has publicly apologised for her actions in china, and china forgave them. the people have grown-up. new generations do not nurture hatred, they collaborate, innovate and unite to fight social evils, economic challenges and trade paradigms.
but, mr chumber, it seems that its impossible for you to come out of the little cocoon of hatred and loathe.
its very difficult to reason it out with you.
i saw your pictures on linkdn and few other websites. you look like kind gentleman. but your words on this blog, totally shattered my capability of judging somebody from pictures.
it seems that if you come across a brahmin in your day to day life, you probably do your best to harm him. coz his ancestors mistreated your ancestors! how logical is that?
by repeatedly abusing the dieties of hinduism, and delivering your judgements on brahmins and their conspiracies, you have totally lost your credibility. you do not have a sane continuous chain of thought. you are fixated with foul language and abusive retorts against anybody who has respect for his or her faith.
religion is a total fabrication of mankind. but the greatest religion is the religion of kindness and humane understanding.
whatever degrades a human being, falls out of the realms of religion. and if any practice or religion prescribes stabbing human dignity, then its better to condemn the sin, and convict the sinner.
even though muslims are involved in many conflicts throughout the world, i refuse to label all muslims as terrorists, i refuse to hate quran, and i condemn those who stereotype or classify muslims.
simple logic: bad people belong to this world, and may belong to any faith or religion.
you cannot pass your verdicts, you cannot point fingers and you cant call me or my god, a racist!
get all the reservations in the world, so that you and your generations wouldnt have to work to earn.
seekers of reservation or quota, are nothing but white-collared beggars!
Ramesh said
Grow up.
C .L . CHUMBER said
I HAVE COME FROM MY TWO WEEKS TOUR OF MAHARASHTRA,GUJRAT AND ANDHRA PARDESH .MY TWO WEEKS PERIOD ALLOWED TO MANUWADIS TO APPOLOGIZE WHO EVEN ABUSED ME , HAD BEEN COMPLETED ON 16TH INSTANT .NOW I WILL START TO CONSULT MY LEGAL ADVISERS TO TAKE STERN LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THESE MANUWADIS . THEY ARE GIVEN 5 DAYS TIME AGAIN TO APPOLOGIZE BY ABUSING THEMSELVES IN WRITTING IN THE DALITNATION.WORDPRESS . COM SO THAT THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE MAY BE REVIVED !!!!!
SanJam said
CHUMBER,
WELCOME BACK.
I ADMIRE YOUR AUDACITY, THAT INSTEAD OF APOLOGIZING TO ALL OF US AND MOST OF THE HINDUS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR ABUSING THEIR RELIGION AND GODS INCESSANTLY, YOU DARE TO EXPECT AN APOLOGY?
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR SHITTY MIND?
LISTEN, YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER POLITICAL MONGREL, A FILTHY MOUTHED HATEMONGER, HOPELESSLY INCOMPETENT, TREACHEROUS LIER, PROPAGATOR OF VICIOUS DESIGNS, HOLLOW HOWLING MAGGOT, MISERABLE LOSER AND TOTALLY STUBBORN MULE!
MR CHUMBER, WHY DONT YOU GIVE A BLOW TO YOUR LEGAL ADVISORS,,, AT LEAST IT WILL GIVE THEM A CASE TO FIGHT OVER YOUR SEXUAL HARASSMENT.. OTHER THAN THAT,, YOU ARE IN KNEE-DEEP SHIT WITH ALL YOUR BASELESS, AIMLESS, FRUITLESS AND UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS ARE TOTALLY DEVOID OF LOGIC AND TEAR APART EVERY CONDITION THAT ENABLES MILLIONS OF INDIANS TO PRACTICE THEIR RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF ANY RELIGION.
DO YOU THINK BY SPEWING SHIT AGAINST A RELIGION AND ITS FOLLOWERS, YOU WILL BE SAFEGUARDED BY THE LEGAL SYSTEM IN INDIA?
YOU ARE LIVING IN A MORON’S LAIR…
SHOVE THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE DOWN YOUR SEWER MOUTH TILL SOME BRAIN CELLS GET REVIVED!
happy-hind said
I HAVE COME FROM MY TWO WEEKS TOUR OF MAHARASHTRA,GUJRAT AND ANDHRA PARDESH .MY TWO WEEKS PERIOD ALLOWED TO MANUWADIS TO APPOLOGIZE WHO EVEN ABUSED ME , HAD BEEN COMPLETED ON 16TH INSTANT .NOW I WILL START TO CONSULT MY LEGAL ADVISERS TO TAKE STERN LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THESE MANUWADIS . THEY ARE GIVEN 5 DAYS TIME AGAIN TO APPOLOGIZE BY ABUSING THEMSELVES IN WRITTING IN THE DALITNATION.WORDPRESS . COM SO THAT THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE MAY BE REVIVED !!!!!
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hey bhagwan duniya mein kaise kaise pagal log hain…..why extension for 5 days?
maha said
mr chumbar..
i ask a quetion to u. u r saying that reservatios are needed to untouchables. i am agree with u.
Dr. ambedhkar introduced the reservations to untouchables to glorify them.At time of 1950’s there is untouchability so reservations are needed now a days there is no untouchability.
so how many years reservations are needed?
dravidiantruth said
Bunt was originally a dravidian Jain community. Around 1200 years ago most of dravidian heritage, culture was looted by brahmins when Saivist and vaishnavites got together during bhakti movemnt. During this movement thousands of Dravidians who followed jainism were killed in one day. Whatever remained were forced to convert to dalitism, the lowest form of Hinduism. Infact Hinduism is nothing, the name hinduism itself came into existence officially in 1830 A.D.
Infact all the dalits of today were aborginal of bharat land since known history of harappa and mohanjo daro civilization. Indus valley civilization has been historically proved as dravidian civilization who followed jainism. Crafty brahmins( aryans from europe) took over and claimed everything with vedic paint brush. There is not even single evidence of vedic god or heritage in indus valley.
No wonder even today indus valley historical research has been given up , as more and more evidences were coming against vedic claims. Most of historians are unfortunately brahmins and they made their own history. Thousands of south indian dravidian temples were converted to hindu temples. Dravidian god Adi ( as cited in Thirukural) was renamed as Siva. and brahmins made successful attempt to merge Jainism with hinduism using Siva ( Adinath) and Swasstik which are major evidences of jainism.
Unfotunately today all the dravids are dalits or untouchable or sudras, or asuras, who are aborginals of country. Sankrit came from latvia, greece and Rome, it is resembling to latvian and greek language. Where as brahmi ( indus language) which is now part of Tamil language.
All these facts are historically proven and available however not published in India due to hindu hegemony.
dravidiantruth said
Thiruvalluvar was a dravdian saint who followed Jainism but brahims claim him , especially when hinduism did not exist in south india till 4th century a.d.
Similary brahmins claims indus valley as vedic, specially when india has no known history of horses before 3500years, as such most hindu mythology talk about horses and chariot, which never existed in india till aryans arrived. With this theory it is simple that brahmis came to this land and started claiming everything as their own using vedic brush.
it is like today red indians are hardly known and converted to christianity by missionaries and europeans. Today north America a land of aborginals is controlled by whites, Same way india was controlled by brahmins since last 3500 years who are from europe.
Poornaprajna said
Dravidiantruth Please change your Blog Id to Dravidian untruths
“Bunt was originally a dravidian Jain community.”
Bunts were neither Dravidian nor Jain.
The Bunts are ethnically Scythians from central asia. Who originally migrated in 100 BC from Bactria to partia to afghanisthan and india. In north India they were known as Sakas and later Kshatriyas. The bunts came down south and were warriors in the Hoysala, Chalukya and Kadamba Kingdoms. They later turned into land owners. The very word ‘Bunta’ in modern Tulu and Kannada means warrior and is used colloquially withe the same meaning as well. It is derived from the sanskrit word ‘Bhata’ meaning warrior. The Nairs of Kerala and some people of the Shivalli Brahmin community also share the same racial origins. It is quite obvious from the similarities in their physical characterstics.
The DNA studies on the Bunts have proven that they are of Scythian origin. So your claim that Bunts are Dravidians is absolute and total nonsense. Even a cursory look at the physical characterstics of Bunts who are generally fair in complexion, with light coloured eyes (check out the color of the retina of Aishwarya Rai),high forehead and greek nose will prove that they are not Dravidians. According to your Dravidian theory, the so called Dravidian or aborginals are charecterized by dark complexion, small forehead and snub noses. You would find it very difficult to get any Bunt with such physical charecterstics, unless there is intermingling of races which is possible in many cases.
The next is on their religion. The Bunts are not Jains they were originally Spirit Worshippers (Bhutas). Even to this day they worship the spirits along with the Hindu panteon of gods like Shiva, Durga, Vishnu and Krishna. The religious belief of the Bunts across ages have reflected the pervailing belief system of Tulu nadu (south Kanara). Initially they were spirit worshippers then due to the advent of Shaivism they incorporated the worship of Shiva without changing their previous worship of the Buthas. The Bunts were also influenced and they patronised Shankaracharya and Madhvacharya who are from the same region of Tulunadu. Even to this day they are patrons of the famous Shri Krishna Temple of Udupi which was founded by Madvacharya. Madhvacharya’s original house called ‘Pajaka Kshetra’ in Udupi was rennovated by a rich Bunt family during the 12th century AD. During the rule of Nayakas of Ikkeri who were jains there were some Bunts who were jains. When Vaishnavism became more pervalent they worshipped Vishnu and Krishna along with the Spirit gods. Even to this day the Brahmins and Bunts of Tulunadu worship the Bhutas along with the Hindu pantheon of Gods. I have witnessed and taken part in the ‘Bhuta Raya’ puja of Sonde Matha of Shri Vadiraja a famous disciple of the Madhva lineage. This is done every dark forthnight. Some of tHe Nayakas of ikkeri who were Jains became brahmins. The surname ‘Nayak’ in south kanara is predominantly found among Gowd Saraswath Brahmins. I want to ask you where are the Dravidians and your dravidian theory here. Nowhere are they in picture or evidence.
In South Kanara the Brahmins, Jains and Bunts are an almost integrated community with close ties and historical connections. The current Dharmadhikari of famous Manjunatha (Shiva) temple in Dharmasthala, Veerendra Hegde is a practising Jain. He is a well known and famous philanthropist and highly revered by Hindus and Jains across Karnataka. Check it out before creating all these Jains versus Vaishnava Versus Shaiva stories.
Just go to any Udupi restraunt owned by Kamaths or Pai’s or Madhvas who are all Brahmins, you will usually find the pictures of Bhutaraya, the same diety worshipped by Bunts.
And what makes you think Jainism is a original belief system of South India. Jainism is an export from North India. Mahavira the 24th thirthankara of Jains was from Bihar. Bahubali of Sravanabelagola was a jain from North India. I am not saying there were no skirmishes, rivalries and fights between these belief systems but they were not in such great magnitude as these psuedo historians concoct. The people who belonged to these different schools shared almost the same culture with minor differences. This is abundantly clear because the communities who beleived in these different systems like Jainism, Shaivism and Vaishnavism are almost same with even shared historical ancestry in many cases.
In Karnataka if you visit places like Sagara and Moodabidri you can find the mathas or religious foundations of Shaivities, Vaishnavaities and Jains side by side. In some cases sharing the same compound. They do not carry any historical animosity against each other which should have been the case if these conspiracy theorists are right. Of course it is not that they approve of each others belief systems completely. They follow what is broadly called ‘Unity in diversity’. It is not so Black and White or Good and Evil you paint it to be. There are several shades of grey and all the different colours inbetween.
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Dear Dravidiantruth,
Only your first sentence in both posts are right. The rest is wrong.
The Chalukyas were initially Jains and hence when you say Bunts were initially Jains, I agree with you. But, what were they before they were Jains?
Instead of using the word ‘brahmin’, i suggest you use the word ‘hindu’, then history will become more understandable sans the political / hatrered angle.
Poornaprajna said
Dear Dalit Untruth
“Thiruvalluvar was a dravdian saint who followed Jainism but brahims claim him.”
The name Thiruvalluvar means Thiru + Valluvar, Thiru means a honorific like ‘Sir’or ‘Sri’ and ‘Valluvar’ means priest. The Buddhists do not have priests and the Jains do not have priests as they are essentially monastics. Only the Brahmins are called priests. Historians of all hues are still not clear about the antecedants of Thiruvalluvar. But let me pose this – What if he was a Jain or Buddhist. There are several instances to prove that Brahmins were also Jains/ buddhists/ vedics/ Mimasakas/Sankhyas. The third section of the Kural, ‘inbam’ talks of the relationship between Man and woman. This is something the jain or buddhist monastics hardly used to speak about. So where does that leave your theory.
So what’s wrong if Brahmins claim Thirivalluvar and his teachings, does it make them evil. The Thirukural has a high degree of ethical, moral and worldly teaching within itself and I would be happy if anyone of any community claimed it as their own.
But can you show me any instance where Thiruvalluvar or his work Thirukurral says he is a Dravidian Saint.There are none, unless if there is some version doctored by your great dravidian poet Karunanidhi, the master of conspiracy theories and concoctor of false history.
Dravidian untruth
“it is like today red indians are hardly known and converted to christianity by missionaries and europeans. Today north America a land of aborginals is controlled by whites, Same way india was controlled by brahmins since last 3500 years who are from europe.”
You claim the above that the Hindu religion was no different from the monotheistic christianity. If the Brahmins had controlled so many belief systems there would not be millions of gods, dieties and traditions left in India. Essentially Brahmins went with the flow and incorporated the local dieties, spirits etc into existing pantheon to create a syncretic belief system. This is very much in evidence throughout india where there has been no destruction of the previous but an assimilation, synthesis and morphing of the beleifs and natural evolution. Sorry dude your theories are absolute rubbish. The analogy between red indian and christian missionaries and dravidians and brahmins are utterly wrong.
SanJam said
beware,,, the brahmins and jews control this world…. ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh……
just when i though i had heard of crazy shit in the world… chumber and his dogs walk with the rear view mirror in their hands (tails,, in case of dogs,,, ahemmm:)
chumber,,, you silly little faggot! tsk tsk
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Cool Poornaprajna, Fantastic !!!!!!
Thanks.
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Poornaprajna,
Thanks for the wealth of info again 🙂
Always delightful to read your posts.
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR. POORNAPRAJNA IS NOT FANATIC .THE FANATICS ARE THOSE WHO WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!
San said
I am not an Upper caste hindu, but I really don’t understand by hating somebody how can people solve problems of the needy. Why doesn’t dalitnation use this site to tell people on what they are doing to uplift the dalits than abuse others. Hating others will not solve the problems. I like Rahul’s post the most. He seems to be like a sensible person.
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU & MR. SANJAM ! HINDUS WILL HAVE TO DISCARD THEIRS GODS OR SCRIPTURES TO WASH THE BLOTS ON THEIRS FACES OF WORSHIPING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
I AM READY FOR LEGAL OR PUBLIC OPINION BATTLES SO THAT THE RAPIST , RACIST AND RACIST EVIL GODS MAY BE EXPOSED NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVELS !!!!! I REQUEST YOU TO DO WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR THE DEFENCE OF YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! NOW YOU ALL HAVE CONFESSED THAT YOU ARE AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM AS WELL AS BURNT THE MANU-SIMRITY . THEN THE JUDGE WILL ASK YOU THE PROBLEM IN DISCARDING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! HE WILL ASK YOU WETHER YOU RECOGNIZE THE EVIL GODS OR YOUR SCRIPTURES ? ? ? ? ?
IF YOU RECOGNIZE THE SCRIPTURES THEN YOUR SCRIPTURES ESTABLISH THAT BRAHMA, VISHANU AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS ARE RAPISTS , RASCISTS AND FASCISTS AND YOU HAVE TO DISCARD THESE EVIL GODS !!!! THE SECOND CHOICE IS , IF YOU RECOGNIZE YOUR GODS THEN YOU HAVE TO DISOWN YOUR SCRIPTURES WHICH ESTABLISH YOUR GODS AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IT IS SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOSE YOUR GODS OR SCRIPTURES !!!!! COME ON !!!! MY TRUE GODS AS WELL TRUE PEOPLE OF THE UNIVERSE ARE WITH ME !!!!! MY MATAS VARINDA , SITA , RUKAMANI , SARASWATI AND MANY MORE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SAINT SHAMBUK LIKE WHO WERE KILLED BY YOUR EVIL GODS . !!!!!
Armugam said
Someone told here that Thiruvalluvar is Jain. No he is not.
Many claims and counter claims arise in this regard.Some claim its jain.Some claim its buddhist.Ifwe analyze thirukural we can find that it echoes vedas word by word.Not a single kural is against vedas.In fact we can say that thirukural is a tamil translation of the sanskrit vedas.
It starts with “Mathrudevo bhava”.Then it goes on to “pithru devo bhava”.
“Adhi,bhagavan muthatre ulagu……”.No religion except hinduism worships mother and father.So in the first kural itself valluvar shows that kural is vedic based.
Then he goes on with vedic dharmas.For example
“Marappinum othukollal agum.PAARPAN PIRAPOLUKKAM kundra kedum…”
He says here ” Even if a bhramin forgets vedas its acceptable.But if he leaves his “pirapolukkam”(vedic dharmas) he will be totally ruined”.
Then he says the sign of society rottening as
“aapayan kundrum,ARUTHOLILOR nool marappar, kavalan kaavan enin…”
He calls bhramins as “arutholilor”(people with 6
duties).He says they will forget vedas,if king doesnt protect them.Sanskrit calls bhramins as “shat karma nirathar” meaning people with 6 duties.
He mentiones various vedic gods.”indirane salung kari…” and “thamarai kannan ulagu…”.He mentions indra and vishnu.He mentions pancha yagnas in vedas as “thenpulathar deivam virunthokkal than endrangu impulathar ombal thalai…”
And further he even mentions vedic principle of truth.Vedas defined truth as “sathyam buthahitham priyam…” meaning “words that cause benefit to society are truth…”.Valluvar exactly said this
principle as “vaimai enapaduvathu yaathenil yaathondrum theemai ilatha solal…”
And he mentions padivratha dharma too.Vedas say that a padivratha need not worship any god or do anything except praying to her husband.Valluvar says this as “deivam thola al kolunan than tholuvaal peiyena peyum malai…”
And yagnas are unique to only hinduism.He sings about them too.So to sum up he talks of so many things unique to hinduism like indra,vishnu,vaikunda,(thamarai kannan ulagu),bhramins,pathi vratha
dharma,worshiping parents,pancha maha yagna etc.And word by word he echoes vedas.So we can say that thirukural is a complete vedic book.
Armugam said
valluvar has said “piravi kadal neendhuvar neendathar,iraivanadi seruvar serathar”
rebirth doesnt exist in any other religion except hinduism, Jainism and buddhism.Buddhism and Jainism doesnt believe in god.The only religion which believes in reincarnation and god is hinduism.
Armugam said
A clear cut proof that Thiruvalluvar was a Prapan ie Brahmin and not a Jain or buddhist from the verses of the Kural itself. This also shows how much of wrong propoganda has been created against Brahmins –
People who spout this nonsense that he was Jain or Buddhist should provide evidence to back this up.
Again let us see some kuraLs. Let us finally decide on these Dravidian Truths and Un truths. As a dravidian I feel cheated by these dravidian propoganda scamsters for misleading us.
1. KuraL 413 -> People who receive “seviyuNavu” (wisdom) compared to devas who received “aviyuNavu” – havishyannam. Offering ‘havis’ oblation to devas is a distinctive vedic practice. Haviryaga is one of the 3 types of yaga.
2. KuraL 25 -> Indra himself praises the ascetics. Indra, the Rig vedic God is mentioned by name.
3. KuraL 617 -> Ill luck will be there with lazy fellow. With a person with manly effort, lotus-seated Goddess Lakshmi would stay.
4. KuraL 543 -> King’s sceptre should protect the virtues and vedas of brahmins.
The statement about a brahmin forgetting his vedas is already mentioned above.
Now, Valluvar mentions vedic god by name, displays aspects of ‘hindu culture’ and mentions the importance of brahmin’s learning. I have provided necessary evidences from KuraLs themselves.
If somebody claims Valluvar learned good things from buddhists, jains, jehova witnesses, mormons and african Yorubas, they should back that claim with evidence.
Nowhere he mentions samaNars who are well known for their absolute ahimsa – even in “pulAl maRuthal” adigaram. He could have easily mentioned it there.
He doesn’t mention anywhere about bodhi dharma, anatta: non-self, or buddhist sanghas or uses buddhist terminology, though he mentions fire oblations to devas, Rig vedic god Indra, lakshmi, vedas and the like.
One cannot claim both – (a) brahmins were spiritual people during valluvar’s time. So, one should not take ‘brahmins per se’ when he mentions that brahmins should be protected by the King, as well as (b) he learnt good things from bauddhas, jains and the like.
We have a contradiction – either bauddhas and jainas were non-existent during valluvar’s time and he did not mention them or they indeed were there and he even learnt a few good things from them; but did not find them ‘spiritual enough’ so that he excluded them and mentioned only brahmins worthy to be protected by the king.
Pick your choice.
happyshemhindu said
Armugam,
It is belived by some genetists that the brahmin community together with the non-brahmin land owning communities have existed in tamilnadu since ~3500 years. This is long before any known jain and buddhist period.
c.l.chumber said
MANUWADI MINDED ABUSERS MUST BE DISCARDED BY THE DALIT-NATION AS WELL AS BY THE http://DALITNATION.WORDPRESS.COM .
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPYHEM HINDU ! IF YOUR SISTER IS DIVORCED BY HER HUSBAND , THEN YOU WILL FEEL THE SORROWS OF MATA SITA AND MATA RUKAMANI !!!!! MATA SITA PREFERED TO SUICIDE THAN TO ACCOMPANY CRUEL KING RAM !!!!!
happyshemhindu said,
September 26, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Again you profess Mata Sita but without her Ram. Poor mata Sita. How much She must have yearned for Her husband in the forest. But now, even in memories you will seperate them.
Even Rukmani will also feel so bad if you seperate Her from her Krishna. You are creating Divine Divorces and new history.
hindushemhappy said
MR.HAPPYHEM HINDU ! IF YOUR SISTER IS DIVORCED BY HER HUSBAND , THEN YOU WILL FEEL THE SORROWS OF MATA SITA AND MATA RUKAMANI !!!!! MATA SITA PREFERED TO SUICIDE THAN TO ACCOMPANY CRUEL KING RAM !!!!!
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Chumber,
Now i think you are really a crank.
If someone gets divorced, does it affect the political economy of the country?
Does it help in reducing corruption? Help grow the country in terms of opportunities, etc?
So where does being stuck on a few dumbedkar-versions of your own history, take you to? An asylum?
Grow up Chumber. How old are you btw?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! ONLY THE BEARER KNOWS WHERE THE SHOE PINCHES !
MANUWADI MINDED MALES MADE THE LIVES OF THE WOMEN THE HELLS ! THE MANUWADI MINDED MEN DO NOT RECOGNIZE WOMEN AS EQUAL TO MEN . IF A MALE IS FEMINIST , HE IS NOT MANUWADI . HE IS A RESPECTABLE MAN . WE WEL COME HIM !
hinduhappyshem said
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! ONLY THE BEARER KNOWS WHERE THE SHOE PINCHES !
MANUWADI MINDED MALES MADE THE LIVES OF THE WOMEN THE HELLS ! THE MANUWADI MINDED MEN DO NOT RECOGNIZE WOMEN AS EQUAL TO MEN . IF A MALE IS FEMINIST , HE IS NOT MANUWADI . HE IS A RESPECTABLE MAN . WE WEL COME HIM !
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You again have a dumbedkar version of who is a femnist by equating that to so-called ‘manuwadi’ stuff….man, i feel like silly for talking to a loony like you for so long without relaizing that indeed you must be a looony to be so repititive and so stuck…
mesquiteice said
Dear Chumber,
Do you have any idea as to what Manuwadi minded females think?
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!-(1)
Onecleanbloke said,
December 14, 2007 @ 9:08 am
The author of the article is an IDIOT .
Ruhi said,
December 14, 2007 @ 5:54 am
Never read a more ridiculous post in my life.
Ruhi said,
December 14, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Shows how educated you are or how much you really understand.
I don’t know from where you got all this crap information
Venugopal said,
December 27, 2007 @ 6:28 am
These people who have written this has no brians. what a stupid thing to call aishwarya as dalit. Just because some idotic dalit scholar VT rajshekar is bunt caste.
Praf t said,
January 8, 2008 @ 5:49 am
This guy dalit nation is a muslim mullah trying to divide hindus.
Indopilia said,
January 11, 2008 @ 7:56 am
people like you who support it are absolute morons who talk about all high
sounding words. Can there be anything more ridiculous than this article
Shankara said,
January 13, 2008 @ 6:34 am
It is incumbent on me to reply on these IDIOTIC subjects written by this ACIDHEAD who claims to be representing Dalits and a so called dalit nation and also respond to ‘Fallen Monk’. First this is an extremely IDIOTIC article and quite COMICAL also
Can it get more absurd than this.
these proselytizing religions are encouraging a malicious campaign
This is an old evangelical and mulla claim on Hinduism
shows your extraordinary stupidity
Shankara said,
January 14, 2008 @ 7:54 am
You just parrot and repeat the same accusations on the Brahmins as said by
Islamists, evangelists, marxists and vicious subalterns like this dalit nation
Your words are filled with lies and malicious propoganda
It is foolish to talk about caste in this present day and age.
Dilip Muralidaran said,
January 21, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
Sajor Carlos: Fantastic. I have been waiting for a rabid Christian fanatic like you to blabber your rubbish so that i can ask you some sensible questions for which you can provide straightforward, direct, honest and sensible answers.
i ask why is your bible god so blood thirsty a bitch?
Peppi Mint said,
January 21, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
This blog is discussing aishwarya rai and how she has been exploited – thats what this JOKER who wrote it claims.
Kripal said,
January 22, 2008 @ 9:33 am
Do you think these dalit nations and dalit voice and these JOKERS can do any harm to hinduism. Like BARKING DOGS these people BARK at hinduism.
.
Rajputana said,
January 24, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Don’t repeat the same NONSENSE and no buyers of your POPYCOCK history. Ambedkar has written in his ‘Annhilation of Caste’ that castes are not races (not that whatever Ambedkar writes is true. He was as much part of the imperialist conspiracy of distorting history. He always was a Bristish ASS LICKER).
Man what an IDIOT you are.
Go get some brain cells MORON
You show again what an extrordinary MORON you are
Ambedkar actually would have pPROSTITUTED his followers to any one of these religions. But his personal ambitions came in between. If Ambedkar had converted to Islam he would have become a nobody. He would have changed his name to some Abu Baker or some shit like that and would have been a nobody. If he had converted to christianity he would have again been swallowed up by the bishops and pastors. He was quite a CUNNING GUY and he converted to Buddhism which he didn’t realize is Hinduism ITSELF..
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR . HAPPY HINDU ! ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A SAGE OR DACOIT BELONGING TO VALMIKI TRIBE OR BRAHMAN ? ? ? ? ?
h said,
September 5, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Chumber, i too am from a Valmiki tribe admiture.- –
NOBODY REMEBERS VALMIKI AS ANYTHING ELSE BUT A SAGE. Nobody is branding nobody. Yes, he is a Sage. He is divine.
h said,
June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
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C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
hindushemhappy said
MR . HAPPY HINDU ! ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A SAGE OR DACOIT BELONGING TO VALMIKI TRIBE OR BRAHMAN ? ? ? ? ?
h said,
September 5, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Chumber, i too am from a Valmiki tribe admiture.- –
NOBODY REMEBERS VALMIKI AS ANYTHING ELSE BUT A SAGE. Nobody is branding nobody. Yes, he is a Sage. He is divine.
h said,
June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
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Chumber,
You are an IDIOT. (Why Have you NOT filed a case in court yet. I am waiting).
To IDIOTS like you, nobody can explain what is a brahmin.
YOU are a dacoit of all spiritual sentiments.
A LIAR LIKE YOU CAN NEVER BE SPIRITUAL.
NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN ANYTHING SPIRITUAL ABOUT ANY RELIGION TO YOU. BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND.
YOUR BRAIN WIRING IS DESIGNED TO BE A LIAR AND A MANIPULATOR.
hindushemhappy said
CHUMBER,
Why are you repeating everybody’s statements. All can read.
WHY DO NOT YOU REPEAT YOUR LIES FROM YOUR FIRST POST TO LAST.
C . L . CHUMBER said
INTERCASTE MARRIAGES BREAK THE TRADITIONAL IDEALISM THAT IS BEING CONTINUED IN THE NAME OF HONOUR AND REPUTATION !!!!!-PARVEEN .
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mr./Miss.Praveen said https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/#comment-1917( October 3, 2008 @ 6:29 am ) ,” Not only brahmins, all other forward caste people think that intercaste marriages bring bad reputation to their castes. There is nothing wrong if dalits marry forward caste women. Intercaste marriages break the traditional idealism that is being continued in the name of honor and reputation.”
MY VIEWS ARE : -FIRST OF ALL , I WEL COME PARVEEN FOR CONSTRUCTIVE E-DIALOGUE . I AM STRESSING ON DISCARDING THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED BY THE HINDU GOD BRAHMA AND MANTAINED BY VISHANU AND HIS INCARNATIONS .THAT IS WHY I CALL THEM RACIST AND FASCIST . BRAHMA TRIED HIS BEST TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER .THAT IS WHY ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED BRAHMA . BRAHMA`S BROTHER INDER ABDUCTED A GUJJAR CASTE GIRL GAYATARI TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE FOR THIS BRAHMA`S WIFE CURSED BRAHMA .
HINDU GOD VISHANU ALSO RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA W/O ADI-MAHABHAGWAN JALANDHAR ( PLEASE READ THE PADAM PURAN , THE JALANDHAR DISTRICT GAZETEER PUBLISHED BY THE PUNJAB GOVERNMENT AND THE MOVIE TULSI VIVAH ) .THAT IS WHY I HAVE TO DECLARE THEM RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS .
NOW WE COME TO THEIR FOLLOWERS . THEY STILL WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THESE EVIL GODS . DR. AMBEDKAR WROTE TO DYNAMITE THE VEDAS . IF WE WISH TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY EXTRA SUPER POWER AND TO CREATE THE EGALITARIAN SOCIETY THEN WE HAVE TO DISCARD THESE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AS WELL AS EVIL GODS . AS LONG AS THESE EVIL GODS`IMAGE IS NOT TARNISHED , WE CAN NOT BRING A TRUE REVOLUTION IN INDIAN SOCIETY .
AS RESPECTED MR./MRS./MISS PARVEEN RIGHTLY WROTE ,” There is nothing wrong if dalits marry forward caste women. Intercaste marriages break the traditional idealism that is being continued in the name of honor and reputation.” THE VAIDIK PEOPLE CRITICIZED BITTERLY AND EVEN ABUSED ME FOR MY VIEWS IN SUPPORT OF INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES .
IN PUNJAB , BABA SANT RAM B.A.( KUMHAR B.C. BY CASTE ) FOUNDED THE JAAT PAT TODAK MANDAL . HE EVEN MARRIED HIS CHILDREN IN OTHER CASTES .BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA ALSO UNITED THE 36 EX-UNTOUCHABLE CASTES TO BREAK THE CASTE BARRIERS . BABA SAHIB AMBEDKAR DID HIS SECOND MARRIAGE INTER VARNA . SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM ALSO STARTED MOVEMENT ” JAATI TODO SAMAJ JODO MEANS BREAK THE CASTE SYSTEM TO UNITE THE SOCIETY ! “.
THE NEXT STEP IS TO ARRANGE INTERCASTE MASS MARRIAGES BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THE POLITICAL , SOCIAL AND RELIGIOUS ORGANISATIONS . BREAK THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM TO STRENGTHEN THE DEMOCRATIC AND SECULAR CONSTITUTIONAL SET UP . I THANKS PARVEEN FOR HIS FREE AND FAIR VIEWS .
Indian said
First of all, I am a Brahmin and belong to a family of religious brahmins that have own the temple in their street.
What I find funny is that all these discriminations and rituals of discriminations of dalits as you call them are unknown to anyone in my family … all you dalits have been repeating the same stories of discrimination for ages now, and its about time you realized most of the other people don’t even care what caste you’re from. The only reason some of the dalits are called the Backward Class is because they’re so backward in their history and current events … we’ve moved on and know of nothing that you speak, its you who keeps discriminating yourself with these articles and comments
C . L . CHUMBER said
CHUMBER HATE POVERTY AND RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
CHUMBER LOVE EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE !!!!!
shemahinduhappy said,
October 2, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
” (4) CHUMBER LOVES POVERTY AND WANTS POOR PEOPLE TO REMAIN POOR ALWAYS
Chumber has admitted that his top priority is NOT eradication of poverty. He wants people to remain poor and keep begging for reservations so that they will keep voting for him. I can prove this also in court.”
MY ANSWER IS : –
RESERVATION IS NOT BEGGING . IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF RESERVE CATAGORIES AND INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS INCLUDING MR. HAPPY HINDUS ARE AGAINST THE RESERVATION AS WELL AS THE RESERVE CATAGORIES !!!!! THE JAGO PARTY IS GOING TO CONTEST ELECTION ON THE ISSUE OF RESERVSTION BAN . WE ARE ALSO PLANING THAT IF THE ELECTION COMMISSION OF INDIA PERMITS THE ANTI -CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION PARTY THEN WE WILL ALSO FIGHT ELECTION AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Reservation may not be begging. But asking for reservation is.
My full support to JAGO party!
dakrishnasi said
CHUMBER HATE POVERTY AND RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
CHUMBER LOVE EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE !!!!!
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Everyone is tired of listening to you singing your paens. Everyone knows reservations are meant to benefit the poor. But the poor do not get benefitted because of politicians like you.First you file a case, then talk.
C . L . CHUMBER said
CHUMBER IS DEADLY AGAINST THE INDO-ARYANS` RESERVATION ON CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM BASIS !!!!! CHUMBER DEMANDED BAN ON CREAMY LAYER FOR GOVT. JOBS TO BENEFIT THE POORS OF INDIA BUT THE HAPPY HINDUS OPPOSED !!!!! WHY THIS DOUBLE STANDARD ? ? ? ? ?
mesquiteice said,
October 8, 2008 @ 6:07 am
Chumber,
Reservation may not be begging. But asking for reservation is.
My full support to JAGO party!
dakrishnasi said,
October 8, 2008 @ 10:27 am
Mr.Dumbedkar,
Everyone is tired of listening to you singing your paens. Everyone knows reservations are meant to benefit the poor. But the poor do not get benefitted because of politicians like you.First you file a case, then talk.
SanJam said
WOW,,, perfect… reservations means giving crutches,,, and its the best way to let so-called-dalits understand that quota is a bread crumb thrown at them.
we should also ensure that when a dalit cricketer enters the ground to bat, he’s given 4 runs to walk-in.
and a dalit hockey player, should be awarded a goal immediately,, as soon as he wears his shin guards.
same for football dalit players…
lol…
we all will have so much fun! can you imagine?
C . L . CHUMBER said
” OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST .” HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU FINALLY ADMITTED !!!!!
THEN BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ( WHO WERE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS PER SCRIPTURES OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS ) ARE NOT THE GODS OF MODERN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS !!!!! NOW M/S. HAPPY HINDUS WILL DISCOVER OR INVENT THEIR NEW GODS . I HOPE THEIR NEW INVENTED / DISCOVERED GODS WILL BE DEADLY AGAINST THE RAPE AND CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
shhhapinendupy said,
October 10, 2008 @ 2:58 am
MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Post was to Mesquiteice. But i am writing in between. Want to tell you that you are a liar. OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST . It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this: It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this:
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU FINALLY DISCARDED BRAHMA`S INVENTED CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
NOW M/S HAPPY HINDUS SHOULD ARRANGE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES IN THEIR FAMILIES , RELATIVES AND FRIEND CIRCLE TO BE TRUE INDIAN !!!!!
dakrishsina said,
October 12, 2008 @ 6:01 am
” In the present era of liberalization there is no room for caste – it will be gone anyways, since it was never meant to exist in the first place; neither did it ever exist in ‘reality’. But only politicians want it to stay – what for? Can we not be happy just being INDIAN ? ”
hindushemhappy said
CHUMBER IS DEADLY AGAINST THE INDO-ARYANS` RESERVATION ON CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM BASIS !!!!! CHUMBER DEMANDED BAN ON CREAMY LAYER FOR GOVT. JOBS TO BENEFIT THE POORS OF INDIA BUT THE HAPPY HINDUS OPPOSED !!!!! WHY THIS DOUBLE STANDARD ? ? ? ? ?
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Did i tell you that I opposed ban on creamy layer? I ask for ban on all forms of reservations. You repeatedly prove that you are a person on non-sane memory and a mad man Chumber.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
You said “MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
My answer: Simple. 1) Nobody believes in stories of hatered and fault finding
2) We respect others beliefs. We dont want disturb them
3) We dont want to hate each other based on stories
By the way the thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.
There are stories that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old!.
Are you telling that we should talk bad about the prophet based on a false story like the above. You should be ashamed to talk bad about the prophet because all Muslims believe that Muhammad was sinless in the sense of transmitting the revelation.
I would rather believe that he was a good person rather than a bad person, because there are so many people who believe he is good. One insane guy writing bad things cannot defeat the faith of all our muslim brothers and sisters.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am
If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! RAVAN WAS NOT LUSTFUL ! HE HAD A GOOD CHARACTER THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT RAPED SITA EVEN IN HIS CUSTODY .BUT RAMA BANISHED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA .WHY ? RAMA HAD NOT DONE JUSTICE TO HIS WIFE !
Karthikeyan said,
October 8, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Chumber Ji,
Rama need not have to prove his purity because he was in the company of his brothers/friends/sages all the time in exile. But Sita was in the forcible possession of lustful wicked demon. She was in the midst of all stranger men for several years. So she was required to prove her purity. Clear?
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAVAN WAS NOT LUSTFUL ! HE HAD A GOOD CHARACTER THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT RAPED SITA EVEN IN HIS CUSTODY .BUT RAMA BANISHED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA .WHY ? RAMA HAD NOT DONE JUSTICE TO HIS WIFE !
Karthikeyan said,
October 8, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Chumber Ji,
Rama need not have to prove his purity because he was in the company of his brothers/friends/sages all the time in exile. But Sita was in the forcible possession of lustful wicked demon. She was in the midst of all stranger men for several years. So she was required to prove her purity. Clear?
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Dont think anybody who drinks poison is socrates. Even if socrates did not drink poison, he would still be a great man. UNDERSTAND
All That Glitters Is Not Gold
hindushemhappy said
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
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Chumber,
I had already published my name and blog address on this site, but your blog owner removed it. Ask him why.
Next, i am only sending a lawyer’s notice to both of you.
You talk tooooooo much. Give your address. Give this blog owner’s name and address. Then talk.
Karthikeyan said
no no Chumber Ji, Ravana was not all good. Sita devi protected herself with the help of grass and agni.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WILL EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS SO THAT THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS WILL EITHER DISCARS THEM OR WILL SUICIDE LIKE KING RAMA IN DEPPRESSION !!!! SOME OF THEM ARE NOW FREQUENTLY ABUSE IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
mesquiteice said,
October 15, 2008 @ 8:10 am
Chumber,
Dont think anybody who drinks poison is socrates. Even if socrates did not drink poison, he would still be a great man. UNDERSTAND
All That Glitters Is Not Gold
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHY RAM`S FATHER ( ? ) DASARATHA MADE PREGNANT HIS WIVES BY HIS GRAND SON ( DOHTA-SON OF ONE`S DAUGHTER ) RISHI SHARINGI ?????
Dear Viewers ,
In September , 2008 , I visited the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute -411004 .It was founded on July 6, 1917 and is a public organisation registered under Act 21 of 1860 AD . It is partly supported by annual earmarked grants from the Maharashtra Government which nominates five representatives on the Regulating Council and two on the Executive Board .The institute has also received grants from the Government of India and the University Grants Commission for special research projects . This institute is known for its world famous” Critical Edition Of the Mahabharta ” which costs Rs.19,000/- !
I purchased only two books on Mahabharta ( 1986 AD ) and Ramayna ( 1994 AD ) both written by Mr. M.R.Yardi .Some fanatic manuwadis lost in dialogue in protecting theirs rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and abused me in writting frequently in the dalitnation . wordpress.com .This confirms that the manuwadis can not dialogue .They impose their views dictatorly and if they fail then they lost temper . They even called me rapist , racist and fascist without any evidence in frustration ! It is the biggest ever irony in the world`s history and mythology that the followers and defenders of rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods blamed others so bitterly !!!!!
I am a member of a self-respectful family and a citizen of a India like country . I will answer him / them in a very cultured way with references so that no one in future can behave like this .
I hereby reproduce Mr.M.R.Yardi`s book ” The Ramayna : Its Origin and growth ” as below with courtesy :-
” Rishi Shranga was the son of sage Vibhandka . He was brought up by his father in complete isolation from the rest of the world , so that he had not come into the contact with women .When the kingdom of Anga suffered from a severe famine , king Lomapaada was advised that if he could bring Rishi Saranga there , the rain would come and bring prosperity to his kingdom . The ascetic youth was enticed with the help of beautiful harlots and later given princess Shanta in marriage . In some Ramayna versions ( Buckle, para 343 ) , Shanta is said to be THE DAUGHTER OF DASARATHA ,GIVEN BY HIM in adoption to his friend Lomapaada . DASARATHA BROUGHT THE SAGE TO AYODHYA TO PRESIDE OVER HIS ASHAVMEDHA SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET SONS ( 1 . 8 . 10 . ) ”
I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS UNETHICAL STEP OF DASARATHA IN DETAIL . BUT THIS IS A BEFITTING REPLY TO THOSE MANUWADIS WHO TRIED THEIR BEST TO ESTABLISH ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR AS HARAMZADA IN VAIN .THIS CONFIRMS THAT RAM AND HIS STEP BROTHERS ARE NOT SONS OF DASARATHA !!!!! ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER`S SON WHO MADE PREGNANT RAM`S MOTHER AND STEP-MOTHERS .THE SARITA FORTNIGHTLY , DELHI ALSO PUBLISHED BABU JAGJIVAN RAM`S ( DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA ) INTERVIEW IN 1980 AD IN WHICH HE HIGHLIGHTED THIS UNETHICAL BIRTHS OF RAM AND HIS STEP-BROTHERS !!!!! I WILL DISCUS IT LATER ON .( PLEASE READ PAGE NO. 210-11 OF THE ABOVE CITED BOOK )
Karthikeyan said
Too much Chumber Ji… Dasharatha performed Puthra Kameshti sacrifice and got children. Scriptures are written by sages and they are only appropriate for religious reading. Your prescribed book may not be. Or who knows.. it may be a book worth reading. Your excerpts from it might be usual Chumberwadi misrepresentation. I don’t care about it.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THEN SITA COULD BE PROTECTED FROM FOREST TO SRI LANKA !!!!!
Karthikeyan said,
October 15, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
no no Chumber Ji, Ravana was not all good. Sita devi protected herself with the help of grass and agni.
lokeshwar said
please award NOBEL PRIZE for the author
thanks
C . L . CHUMBER said
M/S HAPPY HINDUS ! WILL LAKSHMAN RAPE MY MOTHER AND SISTERS? ? ? ? ?
( PLEASE DON`T ERASE IT )
lavanya said,
October 17, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Karthikeyan,
e) inciting communal divide and promoting hatered amongst communities and religions living at peace; by word (dalitnation) and by word and deed (chumber).
SanJam said,
October 15, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
chumber,
lakshman didnt get his wife along so that he could screw your mum or sisters!
got it?
if you havent, you gotta do some serious questioning around ur den,,, or also check out some ripped clits///
tadahttps://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR LOKESHWAR ! PLEASE WRITE THE NAME OF THE AUTHOR/ ABUSERS !!!!!
lokeshwar said,
October 18, 2008 @ 3:07 am
please award NOBEL PRIZE for the author
thanks
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH !!!!!
M/S HAPPY HINDUS ( LAVNYA AND MANY MORE NAMES ) TERMED MR. SANJAM`S VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AS ” SICK LANGUAGE ” !!!!!
lavanya said,
October 16, 2008 @ 4:05 am
Chumber,
Btw, did you parents and forefathers teach you to repeat Sanjam’s type of sick language?
lavanya said
M/S HAPPY HINDUS ! WILL LAKSHMAN RAPE MY MOTHER AND SISTERS? ? ? ? ?
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Sanjam wrote that. You ask him. Do not ask me.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PROPHET MOHAMMED MARRIED AYISHA ( AS YOU WROTE ALREADY ) BUT VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA !!!!!
VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!!
YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .
LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!!
VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!!
DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS ?
DO YOU FEEL THAT INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS WERE BAD ( RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ) PERSONS ? ? ? ? ?
I will post ” HOW VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED GAYATARI TO BE HIS WIFE ” after your views on RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!.
Mesquiteice said,
October 16, 2008 @ 4:40 am
Chumber,
you answered one part of my post. Do you agree with the other part also about the prophet and ayisha and do you feel that the prophet muhammed was a bad person.
I will post my answer after your views on prophet.
Samukham-Venkata said
PROPHET MOHAMMED MARRIED AYISHA ( AS YOU WROTE ALREADY ) BUT VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA !!!!!
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Will you consummate your marriage with a 9-year old girl? Will your 9-year old daughter agree?
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VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!!
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From where did you get this story?
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YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .
LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!!
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Lakshman did not rape Surpanakha.
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VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!!
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Again, from where did you get this story?
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If characters in history kept names after the vedic objects of veneration, and if they did some deeds, then it is their story or history-like Purana.
You are out to hate. You need to locked up in a mental asylum for latent paedophilia.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
So you feel that a 9 year old girl knows what is marriage. Is that marriage at all. Fooling a girl into the bed before she even attains the age is also and act of duping. Fine.
Therefore by your own logic before proceeding further you should discard the prophet, and islam itself is a religion that should be discarded because it is based on Child Abuse.
I feel that an adult intercourse is not as bad as an intercourse with a 9 year old child.
Dont you realise that Islam is not all about one ayisha and one muhammad. It is a belief that lingers in the hearts of millions. Similarly hinduism is not about one rama and one brahma. Religions are not so much about facts, they are about the beliefs of people. They dont actually exist, they are believed to be true. Why do you get into other peoples beliefs. If one guy wants to worship ravana, no one has a problem. Thats your wish. But the problem with you is you are abusing others beliefs, that too without a reason. Is any body forcing you to worship brahma/vishnu etc. Is any one forcing you not to worship Allah. Why are you disturbing others and creating problems.
Beliefs are like life, you dont know where how what etc. but you know it is there. Use your brains to help people and not to hurt others.
I am anyway forced to tell you the following to clarify certian things:-
As you should know, RAPE is an act of forcing an other person into sexual intercourse against their will. An act of disguise is not rape because Mata Vrinda also consented to the act. May be the it was a case of disguise.
Whereas to have sex with a 9 year old (under the guise of marriage) shows that you have forced the girl even before her body was ready for penetration.
However, such an act need not automatically amount to rape, since Ayisha may have consented to such entry. However, a 50 year old normal person can never have sex with a 9 year old child.
As far as your story that brahma raped his daughter / or lakshman raped surpanaka, I have no idea, nor will i waste any time looking into it.
Assuming that lakshman and surpanaka had an affair is none of your / my botheration.
Any ways, I should clarify here that I am not in support of the acts of voilence against women appearing in various stories that you quote. I am only telling that your stories have no basis. You cannot prove one single thing of your stories.
Every time I tell you that these are stories, you are asking “Why people read stories””Why fictions are wriiten etc”
You have to prove any thing which you say. any thing without proof is not even worth the bytes that is wasted to host such crap.
I also want to check out as to how being a father of a girl child, you talk such crap mr. chumber. It is pathetic . May be once in a while you get rascals which rape their own daughters, but dont project them and discuss too much about such things as this is more devastating to the daughters rather than fathers. All girl children will become afraid of their fathers. No girl child will be able to enjoy fatherly love is a situation of fright.
Cant you not think about good things, Cant you not talk about good things
LOVE is the greatest force and i swear by it. And i am sure it will defeat HATE
Karthikeyan said
eye opening thought mestiquitice ji 🙂 hatss off!!
Venkata said
Mesquiteice,
Just as you clarify abt Mata Vrinda. I also want to clarify this:
This is how different authors wud have written stories abt Ahilya-Indra in different ages:
1) 500AD:
Kamasutra times. Liberal, Mature society. Puranic times. Writers who wrote for this kind of a soceity wud have described Ahilya as a willing partner of Indra, who bore Vali to him. She also bore Sugriva to Surya. Left abandoned and alone like a stone by Gautama for her dalliances, she waited for spiritual succor from Rama, whose upadesam might have led to her mukti.
2) 1300AD:
Changing times. Muslim inquests. Social ideas of what is moral and immoral changed. A writer in this time wud have described Ahilya as someone who got ‘deceived’ by Indra.
3) 1850AD:
British times. Heightened levels of ignorance. Ahilya gets described as a victim of rape, by some wannabe-authors.
4) 2001AD:
Technology times. Ignorance evened out by information. But kali-yuga ensures krodham, aavesham, etc, in all. Political writers abound. Ahilya gets “used” as an object to justify conversion. Puranic Indra gets “linked” to Indra from the Vedas, due to wanton cupidity with a ‘motive’.
The likes of Chumber will also, ofcourse, conveniently ignore that Rama liberated Ahilya from her curse, no matter in which version of the story.
Vedic Indra in the Rig is an element of nature, and nothing but thunder and lightening (that which bring rains).
People like Chumber will now hold on to the story from 1300Ad-2001AD versions, to make “politics” or should i add “conversions” out of it.
Suppose his son is called Indra and my son is called Indra, one did good things, other did bad things, both get written down (either as real-event stories or as fiction imagined stories, depending on the writer), so who is responsible for that now?
And using these rubbish stories, he will justify that entire hindusim is made of all so-called rapist, fascist, whatever gods..what a dumb crank fellow.
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAM MURDERED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK , SITA BANISHED AND SHE WAS HUMILIATED TO SUICIDE ON THIS DIWALI DAY !
THE DIWALI AND HOLI FESTIVALS ARE SEASONAL FESTIVALS NOT RELIGIOUS FESTIVALS ! BUT THE MANUWADIS MAKE THESE FESTIVALS CREATING NOISE POLUTION , AIR POLUTION AND MUD SLASHING FOR OTHERS AND EARNING RS.IN BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS FOR THEMSELVES !
THERE WILL BE NO PEACE , LIGHTS AND JOY UNTIL OUR INDIA IS NOT LIBERATED FROM THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!
RAM MURDERED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK , SITA BANISHED AND SHE WAS HUMILIATED TO SUICIDE ON THIS DIWALI DAY !THAT IS WHY WE DO NOT CELEBRATE THE DEWALI .
WE PLEDGE TO ESTABLISH THE CONSTITUTIONAL EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF THE UNIVERSE !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS ARE NOW GOING TO DERECOGNIZE THEIR SCRIPTURES TO SAVE THEIR EVIL GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Samukham-Venkata ( October 21, 2008 @ 2:07 pm ) in response to my answer ,” PROPHET MOHAMMED MARRIED AYISHA ( AS YOU WROTE ALREADY ) BUT VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA !!!!! ” said ,” Will you consummate your marriage with a 9-year old girl? Will your 9-year old daughter agree? ”
MY ANSWER IS :- First of all , all M/S HAPPY HINDUS including new Mr .Samukham -Venkata did not condemned the rapist Vishanu and are defending , worshiping and glorifying continuously .But they are condemning a married couple .I ask them what was the age of Ram and his brothers at the time of their marriages .When Vishavmitra asked Dasrath to hand over his sons Ram and Lakshman to finish the Rakshas , Dasrath said his sons are just children ! Ram and Lakshman went directly to the swambar to marry Sita and Urmila respectively .
These fellows are so irrational and brought my daughter in this discussion .This is the standard of ethics of the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindus !
( 2 ) Then they in response to my answer ,” VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!! ” commented ,” From where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWER IS : – THIS IS NEITHER STORY NOR BRAHMA AND SHIV ARE MYTH . YOU ARE BRAHMINS AND YOU KNOW VERY WELL THE SOURCES .
(3) Then they in response to my writing ,” YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!! ” commented ,” lakshman did not rape Surpanakha.”
MY ANSWER IS : – Please read the Valmiki Ramayna with care . You people never condemned the rapist Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations which is authenticated by your scriptures !
(4)They in response to my writing ,” VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!! ” commented ,” Again, from where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWE IS : – Please read the judgement of a court at Ajmer ( Rajasthan ) regarding the dispute between the priests of Brahma and his wife`s temples situated at Pushkar district Ajmer published in the Indian Express ,Chandigarh edition dated 1st July , 1997 .BUT YOU WILL NEVER CONDEMN BRAHMA BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!! SHAME .
(5) If characters in history kept names after the vedic objects of veneration, and if they did some deeds, then it is their story or history-like Purana.
MY ANSWER IS : – THE BRAHMA ,VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ARE NOT ONLY CHARACTERS OF VEDAS,PURANAS , RAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA BUT ALSO CHARACTERLESS CHARACTERS !!!!!
(6)You are out to hate. You need to locked up in a mental asylum for latent paedophilia.
MY ANSWER IS :-You people worship,defend and glorify the fascists as Gods .I can never love these evil Gods and their evil followers .Indeed your manuwadi brains are locked having no keys to open !!!!! PLEASE COME ON FOR E-DIALOGUE WITH OPEN MIND !
what a joke said
LOL LOL LOL
This is a humor blog, right?
or does the author really believe in this nonsense he wrote?
Sir Realist said
I can undertand the anger lurking in the Dalit community and opinions such as those expressed in this blog are testament to that.
However, I find this blog laughable. The author claims to be an intellectual and claims to have worked with acclaimed indivduals and had conversations at Oxford. The posting of such utter rubbish does not support that claim.
Aiswarya Rai grew up in Mumbai and no one gave any importance to her “caste”. When she was involved with Salmaan Khan, the Bunt boys made it an issue. Salman abused her and in one instance she was treated for cuts around her eyes. Why such intelligent women get involved with brutes is beyond me. It has to do with young women being attracted to “protector’ types who are “bad boys”. It is a universal phenomena. The nice guy gets ignored and the bad boys get the babes. At a later stage the woman realizes her mistakes and seeks out the “provider” type, who were the nice guys she ignored. Regarding comments on her acting, the Hindustani media can be petty at times and speak subjectively rather than objectively. The desi critique takes upon himself/herself to criticize rather than praise.
bhala Manoos said
Hinduism doesn’t require any god to survive. Unlike the abhramic religions it doesn’t require any central figure (God or Gods) as u say to exist. The religion is so sound that it can destroy gods or create new ones in light of superior knowledge. It has evolved of the cumulative thought processes of many human beings. It didn’t start by throwing away all old knowledge and it will not stop at any moment . It doesn’t assume that there may be no better brain or suprior human being (compare this with jesus and Mohamad).
Hinduism draws it energy from the philosphies and knowledge over the period of thousand of years every evolving and correcting .
So Stop barking Chumber
mesquiteice said
Bhala manoos,
Your words ooze clarity and truth. thanks. Any religion which gives importance to a person and not the values cannot provide a platform to value Knowledge.
But I wish to clarify your position slightly. Christianity is not about JESUS CHRIST. Christianity is about the message that Christ preached. It is about love, unconditional and universal. May some christians have wrongly understood that christianity is about JESUS CHRIST.
Anyone who is able to shower similar kind of unconditional / universal love is the true christian. Any christian who preaches hatered towards other religions is not a true christian.
The greatest victories of mankind have been achieved only by LOVE and not WAR.
LOVE is the greatest force and it is only a matter of time before it wipes out HATE.
Love is knowledge; Hate is Ignorance
Love is courageous; Hate is fear
Love is a result of strength; Hate is result of weakness
Love is all pervading : Hate is self destructing
Love is Victory : Hate is Failure
Love is Happiness ; Hate is Sorrow
Loving other religions is the strength of Hinduism. As you said it is because of the fact that it allows a person to be knowledge centric rather than peson centric.
The world of Love beckons all of us!
venksamuk said
MY ANSWER IS :- First of all , all M/S HAPPY HINDUS including new Mr .Samukham -Venkata did not condemned the rapist Vishanu and are defending , worshiping and glorifying continuously .But they are condemning a married couple .I ask them what was the age of Ram and his brothers at the time of their marriages .When Vishavmitra asked Dasrath to hand over his sons Ram and Lakshman to finish the Rakshas , Dasrath said his sons are just children ! Ram and Lakshman went directly to the swambar to marry Sita and Urmila respectively .
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Child marriages were common in the past. But child marraiges were not consummated, until puberty ceremony was performed. In the past, even in my grandmum’s (70 years back) and my mum’s time (50 years back), women came of age only around 15. Certainly not at 9 years.
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These fellows are so irrational and brought my daughter in this discussion .This is the standard of ethics of the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindus !
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This shows your sick standards and absent ethics. You do not want you daughter to be brought into the discussion, but you are capable of repeating sanjam’s type of sexual language for others. To top it, you are actually Defending the fact that Ayesha was “Raped” (yes, raped, but for you “married”) by Muhammad, in the name of a sham-marriage.
Even now, go and see in charminar area in hyderabad, young girls (sometimes 10 years old) are so poor, they are sold (for mehr) in a sham-marriage to old senile muslim men. After 2-3 days, all they need to do is to say talaq 3 times. What a mockery of values they have made. You are ofcourse, 100% a mad mullah.
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Then they in response to my answer ,” VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!! ” commented ,” From where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWER IS : – THIS IS NEITHER STORY NOR BRAHMA AND SHIV ARE MYTH . YOU ARE BRAHMINS AND YOU KNOW VERY WELL THE SOURCES .
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If you do not know the source, it means some political writer has cooked up and spread this story. Prove to me where did you get this tory from. You already lied like a miserable idiot about Manusmrithy. Do not run away by giving dumb answers like this.
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(3) Then they in response to my writing ,” YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!! ” commented ,” lakshman did not rape Surpanakha.”
MY ANSWER IS : – Please read the Valmiki Ramayna with care . You people never condemned the rapist Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations which is authenticated by your scriptures !
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Mr.Blatant Liar, Have you read the Valmiki Ramayan with care? Surpanakha fell in love with Ram. When he spurned her, she wanted to venge him by striking a love relationship with Lakshman. But when she tried to charm Lakshman, he cut off her nose. Rape in hindu shastras means directly hell. This is what your religion preaches Chumber, have a look: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
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(4)They in response to my writing ,” VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!! ” commented ,” Again, from where did you get this story? ”
MY ANSWE IS : – Please read the judgement of a court at Ajmer ( Rajasthan ) regarding the dispute between the priests of Brahma and his wife`s temples situated at Pushkar district Ajmer published in the Indian Express ,Chandigarh edition dated 1st July , 1997 .BUT YOU WILL NEVER CONDEMN BRAHMA BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!! SHAME .
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Chumber, if someone tells you in the present time, that he descended from damn village (tribal) king called raja harishchandra, will you beleive him? Some idiotic people tried to use a cooked up story to make money out of temple-rights in Pushkar. Which stupid court in the world will accept cases filed on such ridiculous stories? Maybe 20 years later, your daughter might file a case by quoting something from Chumber-smrithi like an extension of your idiocy. When I myself do not accept such rubbish stories, who are you to tell me that my religion must be made of these stories?
You mullahs think everything that is in the book must be followed, that is how your dumb brain work – since they are made not to work. We do not follow books, we hindus search for, understand things from various books, and choose / make our own paths.
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(5) If characters in history kept names after the vedic objects of veneration, and if they did some deeds, then it is their story or history-like Purana.
MY ANSWER IS : – THE BRAHMA ,VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ARE NOT ONLY CHARACTERS OF VEDAS,PURANAS , RAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA BUT ALSO CHARACTERLESS CHARACTERS !!!!!
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Mr.Idiot, The time difference between the vedic period and puranic period is so large. How can Indra from Vedas be the same Indra from the Puranas. That means Hussein, the grandson of Muhammad, is the same as Hussein, your grandfather? If you do not understand these things, then why do you keep braying like a donkey?
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(6)You are out to hate. You need to locked up in a mental asylum for latent paedophilia.
MY ANSWER IS :-You people worship,defend and glorify the fascists as Gods .I can never love these evil Gods and their evil followers .Indeed your manuwadi brains are locked having no keys to open !!!!! PLEASE COME ON FOR E-DIALOGUE WITH OPEN MIND !
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What is your definition of an open mind? If you cannot, who the hell are you to force others to follow your mad-liar ways? You are a dumb narcissist Chumber. Even a lawyer dismissed you straight-away as a lunatic, not worth even looking at your face from any other website. But dude, you are in for a major overhaul in other ways. The law needs just one push, to push you to it. And considering your loose mouth, it is very easy to push you there. Keep braying, we need the hee-haws.
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. BHALA MANOOS ( GENTLEMAN ) IS GONG TO REVIVE HINDUISM WITHOUT ( INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST FALSE ) GODS !!!!!
I HAD ALREADY PREDICTED THAT THE VAIDIK HINDUS MAY DISCARD THEIR FALSE GODS OR THEIR SCRIPTURES BUT THEY MAY NOT DISCARD THEIR VAIDIK-ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!! WE WELCOME THE SOME FERMENTATION IN VAIDIK HINDU MINDS !
bhala Manoos said,
November 1, 2008 @ 11:10 pm
Hinduism doesn’t require any god to survive. Unlike the abhramic religions it doesn’t require any central figure (God or Gods) as u say to exist. The religion is so sound that it can destroy gods or create new ones in light of superior knowledge. It has evolved of the cumulative thought processes of many human beings. It didn’t start by throwing away all old knowledge and it will not stop at any moment . It doesn’t assume that there may be no better brain or superior human being (compare this with Jesus and Mohammad).
Hinduism draws it energy from the philosophies and knowledge over the period of thousand of years every evolving and correcting .
So Stop barking Chumber
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE STAUNCH ADDICTED FOLLOWER OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCIST FALSE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF OPEN MIND BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE MIND TO HATE THE EVILS ! ! ! ! !
Venksamuk said,
November 6, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
What is your definition of an open mind? If you cannot, who the hell are you to force others to follow your mad-liar ways?
tom said
Dalits are ones who can’t come up in life without the reservation system. Dalits want to be doctors while they get the least score, they want to be architects without being able to spell words. When they get sick, they want Brahmin doctors… Get over it… you moron…
Let us see if they can even survive without the damn reservation system. Guess who is paying all the taxes to support all you dumb dalits. It’s the middle class brahmins…
C.L .CHUMBER said
A BRAHMAN MR. ATAL BIHARI BAJPAYEE EX PM OF INDIA DID NOT FIND EVEN A SINGLE MERITORIOUS BRAHMAN DOCTOR IN INDIA OR EVEN IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO OPERATE HIS KNEE !!!!!
HE HAD TO OPERATE HIMSELF FROM A NON-BRAHMAN FOREIGNER DOCTOR !!!!!
MR. TOM ! BE GENTLEMAN .THE MEDICAL PROFESSION IS DISCARDED FOR BRAHMANS IN BRAHMAN SCRIPTURES !!!!!
WE ABORIGINAL INDIANS PAY MANY TIMES MORE INDIRECT TAXES TO GOVERNMENT THAN BRAHMANS !!!!!
THE DALITS SETTLED IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES DO NOT NEED RESERVATION DUE TO A BETTER SYSTEM THAN MANUWADI SYSTEM IN INDIA !!!!!
Tom said,
November 9, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
Dalits are ones who can’t come up in life without the reservation system. Dalits want to be doctors while they get the least score, they want to be architects without being able to spell words. When they get sick, they want Brahmin doctors… Get over it… you moron…
Let us see if they can even survive without the damn reservation system. Guess who is paying all the taxes to support all you dumb dalits. It’s the middle class brahmins…
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
I do not like to support any person based on caste, but since you are abusing all brahmins it is my duty to reply to you on behalf of them, they are also my brothers and sisters as much as you, which is why i and replying as under:
True, Mr. Vajpayee could not find any brahman doctor because you people have not allowed any brahman to be a doctor(based on caster reservation). The few brahmin guys who get to study are highly sought after all over the world and are taken up for major research and development. Such a great person like Mr. Vajpayee had to suffer because of you people and your hatered towards brahmins.
By admitting that you pay more indirect taxes, you have understood that non-brahmins buy lot of stuff. Most percentage of brahmins are poor and cannot by costly items like you guys. Any way indirect tax is paid because you are spending so much money. If you are spending on cigarette why are you crying to pay the indirect tax. There is nothing great about paying indirect tax because it is a part of business and is paid our of business income. Whereas direct taxes are ones paid by middle class montly income persons.
You said “THE MEDICAL PROFESSION IS DISCARDED FOR BRAHMANS IN BRAHMAN SCRIPTURES ”
Please explain where and why
What about all the 18 siddhars.
lavanyamura said
THE STAUNCH ADDICTED FOLLOWER OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCIST FALSE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF OPEN MIND BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE MIND TO HATE THE EVILS ! ! ! ! !
—————-
Brainless lunatics like you are to be taken pity upon.
How to hate a poor boy with no brain who cannot provide any answer to any question asked; but can only repeat stuff like a standard tape-recoder jammed up inside the head.
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
LET JUSTICE BE DONE,THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL !-WilliamWatson,1602AD .
BE YOU NEVER SO HIGH , THE LAW IS ABOVE YOU !. – Thomas Fuller
Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.
Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller
The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It
.
Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .
* Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMAN COMMUNITY COULD NOT PRODUCE EVEN A SINGLE MERITORIOUS DOCTOR IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WHO COULD OPERATE A BRAHMAN MR. A.B. VAJPAYEE`S KNEE !!!!!
Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said
Dear Friends,
I have been following the conversations here for some time.
As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts. He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward. It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness. Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward. He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.
The treatment
Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.
Thanks.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
lavanyamur said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
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Chumber,
First, thanks for bringing back the laughs…
Second, your above post means you have only continously lied about rape related to hindu faith. So, I will never discard my Gods.
Third, a mad liar can you can never discard your abusive language for hindu faith and hindu gods. So, you will continue to bark.
Fourth, You contradicted yourself in your post about your “true god” (allah?). Then you say your true god has won!!
Chumber, you are a clown now.
Mesquiteice said
Dear Dr. Rao,
I do feel pity for this man. Hopefully someone from Chumber’s family will see it.
Thanks
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMAN COMMUNITY WHICH COULD NOT PRODUCED EVEN A SINGLE MERITORIOUS DOCTOR TO OPERATE A BRAHMAN MR. VAJPAYEE , NOW PRODUCED / HIRED A MERITORIOUS DOCTOR M.R.Satish Rao , Senior Registrar ,
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K WHO IS A ADDICTED FOLLOWER , DEFENDER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
M/S HAPPY HINDUS LOST THE E-DIALOGUE AND THREATS TO LEGAL WAR INCLUDING ONE SIDE VAIDIK ABUSIVE WAR ! NOW THEY STARTED THE MEDICAL WAR .THEY ALSO WILL LOST THIS WAR !!!!! OUR ULTIMATE AIM IS TO BAN WORSHIPING THE FALSE GODS , LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE WORSHIPERS OF FALSE GODS AND CONVERT THE FALSE RELIGIOUS PLACES INTO THE HOSPITALS , SCHOOLS , OLD AGE CENTRES , VOCATIONAL EDUCATION CENTRES SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY BENEFIT .
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE WARRIOR IS KNOWN WHO DARE TO FIGHT FOR ETHICS AND HE / SHE MAY CUT INTO PIECES BUT NEVER SURRENDERS HIS / HER BATTLE FIELD – ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR .
WIN WITH DETERMINATION .- GURU GOBIND SINGH JI .
KHUDI KO KAR BULAND ITNA , KE KHUDA BANDEY SE KHUD PUCHHEY ” BTAA TERI RZA KIYA HAI !!!!! – MOAMMAD IQUBAL .
GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES .- ENGLISH PROVERB
A PERSON WHEN BORN , HE/ SHE CRIES AND THE PEOPLE SMILE !
WE MUST DO SUCH A HIGH LEVEL DEEDS SO THAT AT OUR DEATH PEOPLE WEEP BITTERLY AND WE SMILE !!!!! – ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR .
MOTHER AND MOTHER LAND ARE BETTER THAN THE HEAVENS !!!!! – ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI .
YOU PEOPLE SAY THEM THE GODS OF THE UNIVERSE , WE SAY THEM LUSTFUL
– ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS
THE UNTOUCHABLES ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR INDEPENDENT STATE !!!!! – ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS
C.L .CHUMBER said
M/S HAPPY HINDUS NEED NOT TO BOTHER FOR ME , I AM QUITE WELL !!!!!
THEY SHOULD WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THEIR UNETHICAL GODS SO THAT THEIR DOCTORS MAY DECLARE THEM MENTALLY SOUND !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
November 12, 2008 @ 9:35 am
Dear Dr. Rao,
I do feel pity for this man. Hopefully someone from Chumber’s family will see it.
Thanks
lavanyamura said
Chumber,
Are you writing so many proverbs to show that your brain is working fine ?
To me, you are just a manipulative politician. But to others, you are mad.
We do not know what type of person you are in real life.
Maybe you are a kind soul indeed. But on the wrong path.
I cannot convince a lawyer to file anything against you. Because the lawyer is so sure that you are not mentally ok. And according to the law, a mad man’s words cannot be used in court.
Everyone wants the country to progress. By attacking religion, no has ever prospered.
In Java, Cambodia, Thailand, etc, now even Afghanistahn, people like to preserve their temples, statues. But in India you want to convert it into some other public use. Actually i do not mind. Atleast that way temples will get revived instead of going into ruins.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
expressions of the soul can never be curtailed limited.
Examples:
Just like a true lover loves his loved one, wheter or not they like it
Just like a true mother who loves her child, wheter or not it likes her.
C.L .CHUMBER said
IN DECEMBER 2008 , I WILL FILE A CASE IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT !!!!!
I WILL ARRANGE 75 PRESS CONFERENCES IN INDIA AND ABROAD TO COMMEMORATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM `S BIRTH PLATINUM JUBILEE COMMENCING ON 15TH MARCH 2009 .THERE WILL BE A LAST PRESS CONFERENCE IN FRESNO , CALIFORNIA ( USA ) IN DECEMBER , 2009 WHERE OUR GREATEST INDIAN FREEDOM FIGHTER , FOUNDER OF THE ADI-DHARAM BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA MIGRATED IN DECEMBER , 1909 AD .
MR.LAVANMUR ! YOU WILL BE GLAD TO KNOW THAT MY WIFE`S SISTER AND HER FAMILY AND MANY RELATIVES AND FRIENDS RESIDE IN UK AND IN LACS MY LIKE MINDED PEOPLE IN UK . THEY CAN PUT THAT UNBALANCED DOCTOR BEHIND BARS , DEMONSTRATE AT HIS RESIDENCE , OFFICE AND CAN ABUSE IN VAIDIK STYLE ! I REQUEST YOU IN ADVANCE TO PERMIT THEM TO USE YOUR ABUSES WHICH YOU SENT TO ME THROUGH THIS ESTEEMED BLOG https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
BUT THIS NOT A POLITICAL , ECONOMIC , RELIGIOUS OR SOCIAL WAR . I TAKE IT AN ETHICAL E-DIALOGUE WAR !!!!!
THIS MAY BE A BLOOD SHED WAR IF WE BOTH SIDE`S INTELLECTUALS START VAIDIK STYLE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
THIS IS MY LAST WARNING THAT IF YOU WILL NOT STOP ABUSIVE LANGUAGE , THEN I WILL HAVE TO SHOW MY MADNESS BY REPEATING THE SAME ABUSES TO YOUR GODS AND THIS MAY BE TURNED INTO BLOOD SHED WAR . WE HAD READ ABOUT THE MAHABHARTA WAR . INDIA DID NOT RISE FROM THAT WAR !THE BOTH SIDES DESTROYED .YOU MAY ARGUE WITHOUT ABUSES !
YOU ARE MANUWADIS , I AM ANTI-MANUWAD AND PRO-INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!! OUR CONSTITUTION BANNED RAPES , RACE ( CASTE SYSTEM – IT RESERVE THE SEATS IN GOVT. / SEMI GOVT.INSTITUTIONS BUT NEVER COMPENSATED THE SUFFERERS WHICH THEY LOST TO THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS WHICH MUST BE ADJUST BY LAW ! ) AND FASCIST ACTIVITIES .
OUR PEOPLE DO TANNING SINCE THOUSAND YEARS AND I WILL LEARN FROM THEM HOW TO OPERATE AND USE A DEAD BODY OF MANUWADI SYSTEM AFTER TANNING INTO USEFUL THINGS – SHOES , SANDLES , JACKETS AND HATS , GLOVES ETC ! .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE FARMERS HOW TO PLOUGH THE SOCIETY AND SEED THE EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE IN THE SOCIAL FIELDS .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE GHUMIHAR / KUMHAAR ( POTTER )HOW TO MOLD THE UNEQUAL USELESS SOCIETY INTO A USEFUL SOCIETY .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE SWEEPER HOW TO CLEAN MANUWAD WHICH BLOCKED THE GUTTER .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE MERITORIOUS JHEEWAR / KASHYAP RAJPUTS HOW TO CROSS OVER THE RIVER AND OCEAN OF HARDSHIPS JOINTLY . ( I HAD ENJOYED THEIR MERITORIOUS ABILITIES WHILE CROSING THE SATLUJ RIVER NEAR SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S MOTHER`S VILLAGE NEAR ANAND PUR SAHIB( PUNJAB ) WHICH IS SITUATED ON ITS BANKS ! SECOND TIME ON THE DAY AFTER INAUGURATION OF THE ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS GATE , VARANASI ( U.P.) BY REVERED LATE MR. K.R. NARAYNAN , THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA AT ALLAHABAD CONJUNCTION OF THE GANGA AND YAMUNA .THIRD TIME I ENJOYED THEIR ABILITY WHILE JOURNEY FROM THE INDIA GATE , MUMBAI TO ELEPHANTA CAVE IN THE ARABIAN OCEAN .)
I AM VERY ADMIRER OF THE ARTISANS AND LABORERS .AND I AM DEADLY AGAINST THAT SOCIETY WHICH IS A PARASITE ON THEIR ECONOMY AND MAKE THEM HAND TO MOUTH !
WHAT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE BRAHMANS ?
WHO EXPLOIT EVEN THE REMAINS OF DEAD BODIES AT HARDWAR , GAYA , MATHURA ,ALLAHABAD , PUSHKAR , PEHOWA .PEOPLE HAD TO PAY MANUWADI TAX EVEN AFTER !THESE CITY ARE HEAD QUARTES OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT KEEP REMAINS WITH MONEY AND OTHER ARTICLES .SHAME .
THE TANNERS ARE BETTER THAN THESE PANDAS ! THE TANNERS GIVE US OUT OF DEAD ANIMALS BUT THESE PANDAS NOTHING EXCEPT LOOTING IN THE NAME OF VAIDIK RELIGION !!!! IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
Lavanyamura said,
November 12, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Chumber,
You guys have an office in the UK. Why do not you simply go ahead and file a case?
Let us see what the court says. Atleast that way, you will be forced (by a court’s order) to see a psychiatrist.
There is not a single person who is not doubting you now (as mad).
It is better that you do not talk about other’s integrity or surgical abilites or quote more lies of your own making and pass them off as manusmrithy’s words.
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND DR.Dr M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K TO HIM WHETHER HE HAD WRITTEN ACTUALLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
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Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
Dear Chumber,
“I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !”
Chumber your response to my post seems completely out of place. This is an internet blog and being a qualified psychatrist I was just trying to help you out for free. At your degree of mental instability you can see only what you like to see. That’s why I was asking readers here to inform your family members as they are the people who could help you. There is little you can do yourself as one of the signs of mental disorders is unconcious behaviour. You dont know what you are doing. The moment you become aware of your behaviour and actions you get cured. But that is a difficult process as there can be a host of reasons why you have ended up with this mental disorder. Briefly stated it can be either through nature or nurture – by nature I mean it can be nuerological, in that case we need to check your family history. Around 70% of psychaitric disorders are inherited and passed through the genes. By nurture I mean it can be through some traumatic incident or series of incidents or specific social influences.
I am damned sure Presidents, prime ministers, UN, heads of all countries would not be intrested in your complaint. It will be a waste of your time, effort and money. You show a great deal of Narcissism, high degree of self importance and you believe that the world revolves around you. What do you think. A doctor tells you you are suffering from a mental disorder, and you complain and you think this is some international news. You send a mail to all the presidents of the world and UN and suddenly these guys will think – “oh how dare this doctor abuse the great Chumber”. Come on Chumber get real. You are not an international celebrity.
The most ordinary thing in the world is that everyone feels they are extraordinary. Get it Chumber. But C L Chumber thinks is deluded that he is a well known and famous revolutionary all set to head some impending revolutionary movement. In my native city of Mysore, I knew a harmless mental patient who used to think that he was the president of the world. He used to wear a badge proclaiming the same and stand in street corners and give lectures on how he is running the world. Chumber you remind me on the same person just that in your case your disease is still in its infancy.
Regarding my antecedants I am an FRCS and work in the old Clapham hospital in the area of forensic psychaitry. I have as my patients many psychopaths and sociopaths. My advanced skill levels and expertise helps me to recognize psychaitric disorders the moment I see one. Your case is too common and typical in our field.
I once more ask the readers here, if you know of any family members of C.L.Chumber please inform them and get him treated by a qualified psychaitrist or a mental health institute. I recommed NIMHANS (National Institute of Mental health and Nuero sciences in Bangalore) as it is a premier institute in this field not just in India but widely recognized world over.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
PS: “I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ….”.
BTW just curious. Would you send it to the american president. George Bush is still the president till Jan 20. Just wanted to tell you to send it to Barack Obama as well – just in case this case goes beyond Jan 20. After Obama is sworn in as the president we can still discuss your complaint with him. See you later in the White House.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WILL THE FOLLOWERS OF RAVAN START TO CELEBRATE SITA-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ?
WHY ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST GOD CELEBRATE TULSI-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ?
IN HINDU TEXTS , THOSE WHO HAVE RAPED HAVE ONLY BEEN BURNED TO ASHES !!!!! -MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) .
BUT THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK BRAHMAN HINDU LADIES CELEBRATED THE TULASI-VIVAH CELEBRATIONS EVERYWHERE !!!!! ( THE HINDU GOD VISHANU RAPED WITH TULASI @ VARINDA W/O ADI-MAHAGURU JALANDHAR . REF. THE PADAM PURAN , TULSI-VIVAH MOOVIE OF DARA ACTOR AND DISTT. JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) GAZETEER ! ) .
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE FOLLOWERS OF RAVNA START TO CELEBRATE SITA-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ? HINDU GOD RAM NEVER CONSIDERED SITA AS PURE EVEN SHE WAS ESTABLISHED PURE BY THE AGANI-PRIKSHA ! HE EVEN THEN BANISHED HER ON THIS CHARGE .HE EVEN ASKED SITA ABOUT HIS PURITY IN THE VALMIKI ASHRAM . THE INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO GET RID OF RAM`S BASELESS BLAMES
C.L .CHUMBER said
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
C. L . CHUMBER NEEDS DR. SATISH RAO`S CONTACT NUMBER !!!!!
THIS MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!!
IF IT IS DR. M.R. SATISH RAO `S REPORT , HE MUST GAVE HIS MOBILE / TELEPHONE NOs. , OFFICE / RESIDENTIAL / E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND WEBSITE NAME OF HIS HOSPITAL SO THAT MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SYMPATHIZERS MAY CONSULT HIM !!!!!
HOW CAN I CONTACT THIS GENIUS PERSON WITHOUT HIS CONTACTS ? ? ? ? ?
Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said,
November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am
Dear Friends,
( 1 ) I have been following the conversations here for some time.
As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts.
MY ANSWER IS : – IS DR . M.R. SATISH RAO FOLLOWED THE CONVERSATION OF C . L. CHUMBER ( MY ) ONLY OR TOTALLY ? IF TOTALLY , THEN WHY DID HE PRONOUNCE HIS JUDGEMENT ONLY ON C . L. CHUMBER ? WHY NOT ON OTHERS ? THESE WERE NOT VIEWS . THIS WAS A MEDICAL JUDGEMENT TO DECLARE ON C.L.CHUMBER IN PERSON AND CONFIDENTIALLY . DOES YOUR MEDICAL NORMS AND ETHICS PERMIT YOU TO DO SO ? OR ARE YOU PAID FOR THIS BY ANYONE EXCEPT ME AND MY FAMILY MEMBERS ?
( 2 ) He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward.
MY ANSWER IS : -YOUR GOOD SELF CLAIMED , ” I have been following the conversations here for some time.” THEN YOU MUST READ MY TWO EMAIL ADDRESSES AND MY BIO-DATA ON LINKED POSTED ON THIS BLOG BY THE M/S HAPPY HINDUS . IF YOU SAY THAT YOU DID NOT READ , THEN YOU MAY SEND YOUR GOOD SELF`S SO CALLED MEDICAL REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS BLOG TO POST ME OR YOU MAY COLLECT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS FROM THEM BY REQUEST . I ASK YOUR GOOD SELF WHO HAD GIVEN YOU RIGHT TO CONTEMPT ME LIKE SUCH A HEINOUS CRIME ?
( 3 ) It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness.
MY ANSWER IS ; – YOUR WORDING ” his constant obsession with words like rape etc ” IS THE REPETITION OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS ` COMMENTS . I CAN PRODUCE THE SAME MORE THAN TWENTY TIMES FROM THE WRITINGS OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!! I HAD REFUTED THESE CHARGES BY SAYING THAT I ALWAYS WRITE ” RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ” OR RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM ” ! WHAT IS THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR GOOD SELF`S JUDGEMENT / MEDICAL REPORT ?
( 4 ) Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people.
MY ANSWER IS ;- I AM HERE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS FOR REASONING WITH THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS . YOUR GOOD SELF SAID ,” cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. ” THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM ” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPEISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER BUT WORSHIP,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS VAIDIK HINDU GODS AS WELL AS ABUSE ME WHO( CHUMBER ) IS AGAINST THE BOTH EVILS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS , ARE INTELLIGIBLE IN CONVERSATION BUT I AM NOT ! WHAT A PAID MEDICAL REPORT / JUDGEMENT !!!!! PLEASE READ THE REAL JUDGEMENT OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS :-
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-
( 5 ) Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward.
MY ANSWER IS ; _ ” He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward.” IS A MENTALLY SOUND PERSON LIKE A DOCTOR REPEATS LIKE THIS TWICE ? DEAR VIEWERS CAN READ IN PARAGRAPH NO.2
( 6 ) He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.
MY ANSWER IS ; – THE SAME WORDING ” mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.” M/S HAPPY HINDUS WROTE ALREADY . THIS THE JUST RECORDING ( ! ) OF HIM NOT THE MEDICAL REPORT !!!!! THIS SHOWS THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THEIR E-DIALOGUE WAR AND THEY NOW WANT TO CEASE WAR FOR WHICH THEY REQUESTED ME AND FELT SORRY FOR THEIR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WHICH I PRODUCE HERE BELOW ;-
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-
THEY WANT TO KEEP ME AWAY FROM COMPUTER AND INTERNET SO THAT THERE MAY BE NO MORE WAR AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM AND THEY M/S HAPPY HINDUS MAY WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .SO THAT THEY MAY DECLARE THAT ” AMBEDKAR WAS A FALSE GOD ” AND DISCARD HIM TO CHOOSE THE EVIL VAIDIK GODS !!!!!
( 7 )The treatment
Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
MY ANSWER IS ; – DR . M.R. SATISH RAO INSTEAD OF PRESCRIBING ME THE MEDICINES , QUANTITY AND SCHEDULE OF TAKING IT , WROTE THE BANS OF MY READINGS ON BOOKS AND NEWS PAPERS .WHY ? BECAUSE I AM UNABLE TO DIGEST IT .
I AM TO SAY THAT I KEEP MYSELF WELL INFORMED BY READING NEWS PAPERS OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES FROM DIFFERENT PLACES OF PUBLICATIONS , MAGZINES TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ON MAIN ISSUES OF THAT PERIOD , BOOKS TO READ IN DEPTH STUDY , MEET THE PEOPLE TO DIAGONIZE THE SOCIETY TO WHOM WE TREAT TO MAKE THIS WORLD HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS ON THE BASIS OF EQUALITY , QUALITY , EQUITY , LIBERTY , FRATENITY AND JUSTICE !!!!!
AND THESE PEOPLE WANT TO BAN ON MY READING , MOVING AND EXPRESSING VIEWS MY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS !!!!! AND THEY SUGGEST ME TO ” read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc.- -He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
( 8 ) Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.
Thanks.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
MY ANSWER IS : – M/S HAPPY HINDUS ARE NOW CONVINCED THAT I AM A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND RAISED A GOOD AND HEALTHY FAMILY BUT – –
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
Without using your “rapist, racist and fascist” terms for Gods, if you can simply come ahead and describe your concept of “God”, i would be very much willing to discuss various concepts with you on the sane human level. I hope you agree to this. Please make a conscious effort and do not allow your ego to reject this. Thanks.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in
THIS MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!! IF IT IS DR. M.R. SATISH RAO `S REPORT , HE MUST GAVE HIS MOBILE / TELEPHONE NOs. , OFFICE / RESIDENTIAL / E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND WEBSITE NAME OF HIS HOSPITAL SO THAT MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SYMPATHIZERS MAY CONSULT HIM !!!!! HOW CAN I CONTACT THIS GENIUS PERSON WITHOUT HIS CONTACTS ? ? ? ? ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
C. L . CHUMBER NEEDS CONTACT NUMBER OF DR. M.R.SATISH RAO , SENIOR REGISTRAR ,OLD CLAPHAM HOSPITAL , MANCHESTER , U.K . !!!!!
THIS MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!!
IF IT IS DR. M.R. SATISH RAO `S REPORT , HE MUST GAVE HIS MOBILE / TELEPHONE NOs. , OFFICE / RESIDENTIAL / E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND WEBSITE NAME OF HIS HOSPITAL SO THAT MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SYMPATHIZERS MAY CONSULT HIM !!!!!
HOW CAN I CONTACT THIS GENIUS PERSON WITHOUT HIS CONTACTS ? ? ? ? ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHY DO I SEE NO DALIT FIGHTING FOR INCREASING THE QUALITY OF PRIMARY EDUCTION IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ?
Dilip Muralidaran said,
October 6, 2008 @ 7:40 am
Chumber Ji,
– – –
The problem in our nation is PRIMARY EDUCATION. None of the public schools run by this government for the past 60 years have been on standards comparable to even the most filthiest primary school. Why do i see no dalit fighting for increasing the quality of primary education in public schools?
The drop out rate in rural public schools is as high as 73% as per the 2004 statistics run by Gramalaya. In the cities its about 40 – 45%.
If we can establish quality primary education then all of our children will be on the same level playing field. Dalits, Brahmins, Christians, Muslims, Sikh, Parsi, you name it.
C.L .CHUMBER said
OUR TRUE GOD WILL BLESS THE ALL CREATURES TO BE GENIUS !!!!!
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
CHUMBER,
AM THOROUGHLY ASHAMED BUT I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING COZ I DO NOT WANT MY WORDS TO BE MISUSED BY YOU AGAIN !!!!!
AM POSTING THIS HEARTFELT APPRECIATION FOR YOU CHUMBER !!!!!
DESPITE MY CALLING SUCH HORRIBLE NAMES REPEATEDLY , STILL YOU DID NOT RETALIATE AND CALL ME NAMES !!!!!
YOU HAVE MORE PATIENCE , MORE KINDNESS AND MORE PERSEVERANCE THAN WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF , CHUMBER !!!!!
BE BLESSED ( IN WHATEVER WAY THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY ) .
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE IS DR. M . R . SATISH RAO ? PLEASE CONTACT ME THROUGH https://dalitnation.wordpress.com
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE HINDU RELIGION IS A TERRORIT PHILOSOPHY WHICH INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
To C.L.Chumber
I am not in any way related to Happyhindu@lavanya. I only know happyhindu through the posts happyhindu@lavanya has been posting in this forum. I would say Happyhindu has a great deal of patience in dealing with mentally disoriented people. She has tried in vain to make you come to talking terms, which is a very difficult task and I can vouchsafe for her patience from my professional experience. Anyway that apart.
You asked me to provide my address so that your family can come and agitate in front of my house. Actually this is a professional hazard for me working as a foresnsic psychatrist and I used to get threats from many sociopaths and psychopaths. Hence, as I mentioned earlier in my post we do not give our address and contact so easily. I am not a run of the mill psychaitrist. My area is highly specialised and also I hold my life quite valuable and would desist from giving oppurtunity for sociopaths to run over me, my family and my professional fraternity.
Regarding my mention of the friends marriage and the friend being a Brahmin and part of VHP. That was false and a claptrap to basically trigger certain predefined emotions and responses from you. We do this all the time in psychaitry and we even enact psychodrama for analysis of mental conditions. Of course I did go to a marriage in ‘Isle of man’ but that was between two of my english friends. I just wrote the two words – Brahmin and VHP and you were flaming. Now the ball is in your court. Understand how words and its respective associations evoke certain crystallized responses in you. I am not saying you lack reasoning but what I mean is your reasoning is clouded with high degree of prejudice and judgement which is bordering on certain mental conditions which can be a clear case study in the field of a branch of psychaitry termed as ‘Abnormal Psychaitry’.
Please note that I am not your doctor and neither are you my patient. Hence there is no possiblity of you contacting me. I have asked for members of your family or people who know them to get in touch with Psychatristry department of NIMHANS bangalore or even the NHS UK or private hospitals in UK. I can send a list of such institutes through this forum.
My Diagnosis is based on the readings of your post and I can vouchsafe for an accuracy of about 90% on the diagnosis mentioned in my previous post. I once again call upon readers who know Chumber’s family to get in touch with NIMHANS or any other reputed mental health institute. I am pretty sure that the venerable doctors in these institute will concur with my prognosis. Check it out and then you will thank me.
Let me tell you this I have nothing but Goodwill towards you and your family. I just felt that you would need to be healed from this malady and hence my post.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar, Old Clapham Hospital
Manchester.
SanJam said
I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE
Ummmm Mr Chumber, we shouldn’t use second form (past tense) of verb (implemented) with “did” in the same sentence.
WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE RESTORING OF OUR LOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
You could replace “restoring” with “restoration” of our fundamental rights. What you are trying to restore, obviously, is not being fulfilled, or, is missing.
A FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST RELIGION CAN NOT BE A TRUE INDIANS !
Now, even a kindergarten kid would know that a sentence starting from “A” follower, cannot end in plural “Indians”.
THE HINDU RELIGION IS A TERRORIT PHILOSOPHY WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!
Now, you are equating a religion with a misspelled philosophy. And, FYI: caste or varna system doesn’t get an atom’s importance in the meritocracy that exists today.
Only jerks like you keep venting out their frustration in such humiliatingly erroneous grammar. Most of the visitors to this blog leave it with a bad taste in mouth and a handful of pity on your filthy retorts and lowly thoughts.
You truly are a dispensable trash of our society.
PAPPU KUNDANPURI said
DR. M.R.SATISH RAO SHOULD CHECK THE MENTAL LEVEL OF MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE .
MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”
BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
Mr.Sanjam is not a genuine person who abused Mr.Chumber like a lay man .He should feel sorry .Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber when he is presenting his logic with patience and with references from our Hindu scriptures ?
I think whenever Mr.Chumber will publish this discussion ,we Brahmans must feel sorry that Mr.Sanjam like are our torch bearer .
I on behalf of myself ,community and entire humanity beg pardon from the great Chumber who have opened our eyes that our Gods are out of date .May he live long to guide us properly .
lavanyamural said
Mr.Sanjam is not a genuine person who abused Mr.Chumber like a lay man .He should feel sorry .Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber when he is presenting his logic with patience and with references from our Hindu scriptures ?
I think whenever Mr.Chumber will publish this discussion ,we Brahmans must feel sorry that Mr.Sanjam like are our torch bearer .
I on behalf of myself ,community and entire humanity beg pardon from the great Chumber who have opened our eyes that our Gods are out of date .May he live long to guide us properly .
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Pappu Kundanpuri@RamKrishan Sharma@ Chumber,
You are getting really desperate, aren’t you?
Sanjam,
Am having quite a laugh at this “great Chumber who have opened our eyes” self-praise…….am waiting to see your reaction…
C . L CHUMBER said
PLEASE FIRST OF ALL SOLVE YOUR FAMILY PROBLEMS !!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT WORSHIP THE EVILS !!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE ANY BODY IF YOU ARE STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF EVILS !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
December 1, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Chumber,
I prefer mesquiteice-ul-haq.
Please read chapter 109
109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
I wish to correct one more this. I did not write anything against Hazrat Mohammed. You are the one calling others Allah as bad. I only wanted to show you that problems are everywhere.
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
C . L CHUMBER said
I THANK MR. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA AND MR. PAPPU KUNDANPURI FOR THEIR VIEWS .
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
Mr.LAVANYAMURAL !
You should feel sorry for your misbehave with Mr. Chumber . But you are laughing . Why ? Please be cultured .
lavanyamuralidharan said
Omg my dear Mesquiteice-Ul-Haq, Sirippu thangamudayalai (over chumber’s self-propaganda)…this conversation is going back to the laughs again…just wanted to convey my apologies to you if i have hurt your religious sentiments, that was not my intension, just trying to show chumber how stubborn others can also be with their own way, discordant way (to him) or opposite way of perceiving things.
Chumber,
There is no difference between you and me. We come from the same rung of the society.
While you are searching for a ‘social’ God from whom you seek ‘social acceptance’, am searching for no such thing since i am certain God loves me the way He created me (together with all my personal follies).
The only diff between you and me is that you do not wish to give up hatered; while my circumstances were such that i cud never have succumbed to such hatered – actually the choice is in your hands – the cirumstances are all yours to make.
Already told you that once upon a time me too was brain-washed into this anti-brahminism sentiment..however, before i cud succumb to it, it came to be that i could never-ever-never-ever-no matter-what, adhere to such any such sentiment..
And esp, when i understood well enough where such anti-brahminism idealogy was meant to lead to, i was sure which side i should go..i see all events in my life as God given so i may never get emotionally attached to any one thing…
Therefore no matter what…to my hindu brethern, i give my unconditional support.
The idea was never to hurt you. I only request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.
Bye and God Bless.
lavanyamuralidharan said
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said,
December 3, 2008 @ 9:16 am
Mr.LAVANYAMURAL !
You should feel sorry for your misbehave with Mr. Chumber . But you are laughing . Why ? Please be cultured .
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You please do not interfere between me and Chumber. Its between us.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
You said “PLEASE FIRST OF ALL SOLVE YOUR FAMILY PROBLEMS !!!!!”
please explain what family problems
you said “PLEASE DO NOT WORSHIP THE EVILS !!!!!”
Firstly What is evil?. Are you evil?. Am I evil?. are both of us evil?
ALso give me one reason why i should not worship EVIL
you said PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE ANY BODY IF YOU ARE STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF EVILS !!!!!
Thanks ! I do not want to abuse any body . Whether or not i am not a staunch followers of evils
Dilip Muralidaran said
@lavanyamuralidharan Ram Krishnan Sharma and Chumber have something in between them. Please do not interfere. Homosexuals must be given privacy and equal rights. Lets practice that. Ram Krishna Murali himself said it. “Its between us” lol!
lavanyamurali said
Chumber,
After this discussion is over, i have a few things to confess to conclude. Since i see there is no response from you yet, should i conclude that this discussion is over? Will respond after i hear from you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR BRAHMA WHO TRIED HIS BEST 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
OR
WORSHIPING , DEFENDENG AND GLORIFYING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS ( ? ) ARE NOT RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS !!!!!
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 3, 2008 @ 10:45 am
Chumber,
I only request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.
lavanyamurali said
PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR BRAHMA WHO TRIED HIS BEST 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
OR
WORSHIPING , DEFENDENG AND GLORIFYING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS ( ? ) ARE NOT RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS !!!!!
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Brahma did not try to rape. My Gods are not rapist, racist, fascist. You do not even want to understand my religious sentiments; but you want to insult it and make politics out of it.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
you said “PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR BRAHMA WHO TRIED HIS BEST 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!”
We can say so many things about each other. Anything that you can not prove is false.
Dont try to preach hatered by weaving your own stories.
I have already requested you not to talk about things like this? Dont you understand. Arent you a father of a daughter also. Father of one child you should also understand the problems of girl child.
From the first you are treating “FEMALE” as soft targets. You are abusing them and insulting them to a great extent please stop this immediately.
Why are you not talking about fathers who have homosex with sons. You are using the girls to get more mileage for you stories. Shameful i say.
I can understand atleast if you are talking about a union of say the Prophet and Ayisha because that was out of love for each other.
But please dont talk about fathers and daughters linking them badly. What are you getting by talking bad about others daughters.
Dont be like historians who will record anything which is SENSATIONAL without any reason. This is the reason why our history books are filled with information about “Alexander”, Hitler and Ivan ther terrible and not people like the Mahavira, Zarustra, baal shem tov etc.
By speaking more about brahma and his deeds you are adding to this library. We are already suffering due to people like you recording bad things about others. You have forgotten that you can record good things also.
Dont Live in Story Word and create unessary problems for India and her children. People like you are the reason for Indias problems.
If you want to be a hatemonger, Thats your choice
Allow others to love each other. Why are you in the guise of DALIT actually preaching hatered towards Hindus.
I request you to start telling stories of Love instead of Hate.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
MR. DILIP MURLIDHARAN IS A HOMUNCULE !
HE MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL AND HOMINOID .
I AM HOMOGENEOUS .
MR. DILIP BELONG TO AN UNCULTURED FAMILY .
I NEVER SAID ,”Its between us” .
MR. DILIP MUST HOLD HIS TUNGUE , I AM NOT MR. CHUMBER TO WHOM YOU OFTEN ABUSE AND HUMILIATE .
Dilip Muralidaran said,
December 3, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
@lavanyamuralidharan Ram Krishnan Sharma and Chumber have something in between them. Please do not interfere. Homosexuals must be given privacy and equal rights. Lets practice that. Ram Krishna Murali himself said it. “Its between us” lol!
C . L .CHUMBER said
V.P. SINGH MODERN BUDDHA, EX INDIAN PM PASSED AWAY!
MR. Vishav Nath Partap Singh popularly known as VP Singh a former Prime Minister of India and defence minister passed away .He was born in Allahabad ( U.P. ) on June 25, 1931. Mr. Singh studied science with aspirations of becoming a nuclear scientist and came out with flying colors in the B.Sc. examinations in Ferguson College, Pune ( Maharashtra ).But he finally gave pursuing M.Sc. from Allahabad University, Allahabad ( U.P.) and was lured into politics. He made his debut as a Congress legislator in 1969 AD winning the Uttar Pradesh assembly elections and remained a member of the House till 1971AD, before being elected for the first time to Lok Sabha.
Mr. Singh was inducted into Mrs. Indira Gandhi’s Council of Ministers as a Deputy Minister of Commerce. After that, there was no looking back for him. In 1980 when Mrs. Indira Gandhi returned to power; Mr. Singh was made Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh. His two-year stint at the helm of India’s largest state ended dramatically when he quit in the wake of the anti-dacoit operations launched by his government. He earned the title of ‘Mr. Clean’ despite occupying positions of power, including the Chief Minister ship of Uttar Pradesh and as Defence Minister at the Centre.
But soon he was made Commerce Minister in Mrs. Gandhi’s cabinet. As Finance Minister in Mr. Rajiv Gandhi’s government, Mr. Singh gained popularity for ordering searches and raids against industrial houses, hiring an American detective agency Fairfax for investigating accounts of Non Resident Indians and for taking up the Bofors pay-offs case.
.Mr. Singh resigned as Defence Minister after he was shifted from Finance in 1987 at the height of his campaign against leading industrialists on the issue of tax evasion and later took on the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi by quitting Congress on the issue of Bofors scandal.
Forming Jan Morcha, an amalgam of disgruntled Congressmen, he later became the pivot around which the opposition came together to dethrone Congress to give the second non-Congress coalition at the Centre, supported by the Left parties and the BJP from outside.
When Mr. VP Singh contested election in 1989 AD from Allahabad, Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram also contested .Mr. Sunil Shastri s/o Mr. Lal Bahadur Shastri ex prime minister of India was a candidate of Congress. Mr. VP Singh’s government fall due to his interview in the Illustrated Weekly of India, Mumbai in which he described Chaudhary Devi Lal, Deputy PM of India as “spineless person “!
Mr. Vishwanath Pratap Singh, who cobbled a coalition of the Left and BJP to dethrone late Mr. Rajiv Gandhi`s Congress Party in the 1989 AD elections, played the reservation card a year later by implementing the Mandal Commission Report meant for the 54% OBCs Indian aboriginals – 27% in government jobs that changed the course of Indian politics and social system , bringing to the fore the power of backwards and Dalits in electoral politics.
TDP chief N Chandrababu Naidu ex Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh condoled the death,”I express my heart felt condolences to Singh’s family members and he was a pioneer in ensuring due share to backward classes in the fields of politics and administration,” He was cremated at his ancestral city Allahabad .
Late Babu Jagjivan Ram Deputy Prime Minister of India ,Mr. VP Singh and Shahid-e-azam Kanshi Ram played vital roles in forming non-congress coalitions at the centre .They will be remembered for strengthening the Indian democratic system !
C . L .CHUMBER said
THE DISCUSSION WILL BE OVER ONLY WHEN WE DECIDE THAT THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS OR NOT !
THE VAIDIK HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS OR NOT !
THE DEFENDERS , WORSHIPERS AND GLORIFYRES OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ARE ETHICALS OR UNETHICALS !
ONE DAY THE PEOPLE WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIT GODS !
lavanyamurali said,
December 3, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
Chumber,
After this discussion is over, i have a few things to confess to conclude. Since i see there is no response from you yet, should i conclude that this discussion is over? Will respond after i hear from you.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
DILIP MURALIDHARAN MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL , I AM HOMOGENEOUS .
I NEVER SAID ,” Its between us” .
MR.lavanyamuralidharan SAID TO ME ,” You please do not interfere between me and Chumber. Its between us.”
MR. DILIP MUST HOLD HIS TOUNGUE , I AM NOT MR. CHUMBER TO WHOM YOU ABUSE AND HUMILIATE WITHOUT ANY PROPER REASON .
WE CAN NOT TOLERATE UNCULTURED PERSONS .
Dilip Muralidaran said,
December 3, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
@lavanyamuralidharan Ram Krishnan Sharma and Chumber have something in between them. Please do not interfere. Homosexuals must be given privacy and equal rights. Lets practice that. Ram Krishna Murali himself said it. “Its between us” lol!
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 3, 2008 @ 10:53 am
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said,
December 3, 2008 @ 9:16 am
Mr.LAVANYAMURAL !
You should feel sorry for your misbehave with Mr. Chumber . But you are laughing . Why ? Please be cultured .
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You please do not interfere between me and Chumber. Its between us.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
HE ( CHUMBER ) WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
mesquiteice said,
December 2, 2008 @ 7:59 am
Ram Krishan Sharma,
Like you I also feel bad. Not only sanjam, a lot of others have also been abusing chumber. Some of them have even apologised and requested chumber to behave himself.
YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGESE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER . WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .
But one thing you should you should understand is that Mr.Chumber, has been abusing everybody. How can Mr. Chumber who does not know how to respect others and their faiths ever be respected by others.
MR. CHUMBER PASTED YOUR ABUSES . YOU MAY PASTE HIS ABUSES BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST HIM EXEPT ABUSING HIM . YOU PEOPLE EVEN SAID ,” LAXMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S MOTHER AND SISTERS .” IS THIS YOUR FAITH . YOU PEOPLE WROTE ” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE .
Give Respect and Take Respect
FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE . ABUSERS CAN NEVER GET RESPECT EVEN FROM SLAVES .
I request your goodself to advice chumber to “Live and Let Live”.
I CAN NOT ADVISE MR. CHUMBER TO ” LIVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ” . I EVEN ADVISE HIM TO SHOOT THE HABITUAL ABUSER GANG SO THAT PEOPLE MAY LEARN A GOOD LESSON .
He is continously abusing other faiths, our country, the judiciary etc.
HE IS NOT ABUSING . HE SHED LIGHT ON OUR FILTHY RELIGIOUS , ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WITH REFERENCES . HE HAS REPRODUCED THE LIST OF CORRUPT ONE SITTING JUDGE OF SUPREME COURT , 10 HIGH COURT JUDGES AND 25 DISTT. SESSION JUDGES FROM THE OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEEKLY MAGAZINE . DO YOU LIKE CORRUTION OR HONESTY .MR. CHUMBER IS VERY HONEST PERSON .
While i feel sorry for chumber as much as you do, how can we stop sanjam unless chumber stops abusing others faiths.
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .ONE THING IS CLEAR FROM THE WRITINGS OF CHUMBER , HE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND HE WILL DEFINITELY PUT SANJAM LIKE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS . HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL LEGALLY .WE ARE WITH TRUTH , OTHERWISE THE COMMUNAL HATERED FEELINGS WILL DEVELOP .
You said”Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber ”
I ask you “Who have authorised Mr. Chumber to abuse others faiths and gods and religions”
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
Just like you i also know that Chumber is a potential champion. Let us hope that he will behave himself and create a atmosphere for everybody will respect him.
HE IS FIGHTING WITH YOU WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT TO CREATE A ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT TO EVERYONE . ABUSERS CAN GIVE NO RESPECT AND WILL GET DISRESPECT .WHEN MR. CHUMBER WILL PUT THIS HINDU GODS IN PRESS CONFERENCES AS HE ANNOUNCED WHAT WILL BE OUR STAND .HE WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
Now as far as you are concerned ” Who have authorised you to represent entire community and humanity”. Please dont preach hatered. If you believe your gods are outdated that is your own belief.
YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE MODERN MAIN HINDU SAINTS ARE MAINLY SHUDRAS .IT IS TRUE THAT OUR GODS OUT OF DATE . NEITHER YOU NOR I AM REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY COMMUNITY . THE COMMUNITES ARE REBUILDING .I DO NOT PREACH HATERED .
Why are you using “OUR”. If you believe so you are free to choose which ever god you feel is on date. This why people did not like Chumber. Dont repeat the same things.
THE BAD PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE AND VICE VERSA .I LIKE AND RESPECT MR. CHUMBER LIKE REVOLUTIONARY THINKER .
Just like you feel that your god is outdated others feel that their gods are up to date.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD . OBAMA BEING A BLACK WON THE WHITE HOUSE DUE TO HIS SLOGAN ” WE CAN DO .” RACISTS AND FASCISTS WILL BE DETHRONED EVERY WHERE WHETHER IN RELIGIOUS FIELD .
Did anybody ask you wheter their gods are upto date.
DID ANYONE ASK TO ANSWER TO MY VIEWS ?
We are all Indians. Learn to respect others and everybody will respect you.
THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSING MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA ? AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE IN BRAHMA , WE CAN NOT RESPECT EACH OTHER DUE TO HIS CASIEST MENTALITY .
DO YOU RESPECT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST DEVILS ? I NEED RESPECT FROM RESPECTFUL PERSONS .
Dilip Muralidaran said
@RAM KRISHAN SHARMA: hmmm….. you’ve spelt my last name wrong so im glad its not me, you incapable of spelling things right, prick. “TUNGUE”, what in the fuck is that? I cannot identify this part of the human body in the dictionary or in anatomy reference material. Now go back to your primary school teacher and ask her to teach you some spelling and grammar and then comment here. 3rd grade kids could beat the shit out of yoo in vocabulary and grammar.
Unlike you, if at all im homosexual (which im not) i would not be ashamed of it and stand for what i say and be. But if you like to have it that way, its fine with me, so what now? Of course, i do belong to a family which opposes the culture of abusing people on the basis of race, caste, religion and other social and cultural strata. In that way, im glad im from an “uncultured family”.
What about you? Do you even have a family in the mental asylum that you are in?
lavanyamuralidharan said
HE MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL AND HOMINOID .
I AM HOMOGENEOUS .
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Ram Krishan Sharma,
What is HOMINOID ? If you meant to say Hominid, then all of us are hominids (i have taken the liberty to say “all of us” not sure if you want to seek seperate classification).
In what way are you HOMOGENEOUS ? New definitions?
lavanyamuralidharan said
Dilip,
Am the one who told Mr.Ram Krishan Sharma that “its between us” meaing to say he need not interfere between Chumber and me. I do not know why Ram Krishan Sharma needs to interfere at all.
lavanyamuralidharan said
THE DISCUSSION WILL BE OVER ONLY WHEN WE DECIDE THAT THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS OR NOT !
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Then you need to take many-many births to go on blabbering and alleging endlessly.
THE VAIDIK HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS OR NOT !
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Vedas are not fiction. Puranas are part-fiction. Dharma-shastras are codes for life – some of which may not be applicable in this 21st century and beyond. Yoga is union of body and breath, and mind with mindless state. Upanishads and the various philosophies are way of life.
You cannot use a blanket term “fiction” for all liteature. Nobody needs literature to ‘decide’ things. They only guide us. Or they need not guide us at all. Fighting over it is stupidity.
THE DEFENDERS , WORSHIPERS AND GLORIFYRES OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ARE ETHICALS OR UNETHICALS !
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This is your own allegation. Hindus Gods are not rapist, racist, fascist, or whatever terms you use from the political and anti-hindu point of view. The fact that you want to allege without understanding itself is unethical on your part.
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ONE DAY THE PEOPLE WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIT GODS !
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Keep dreaming.
Ok Chumber…so i must throw my idea of confessing out of the window. Am concerned that you may twist stuff i say – the main prob being that you seek to promote yourself on the political level. Plus considering your state of mind (stories-obsession), am afraid it is hard to communicate with you on a human level.
All am telling you is if you keep talking about the past, there will be no future.
RAM KRISHAN SHARAM said
I DO NOT KNOW WHY lavanyamuralidharan NEEDS TO INTERFERE AT ALL .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 4:09 am
Dilip,
Am the one who told Mr.Ram Krishan Sharma that “its between us” meaing to say he need not interfere between Chumber and me. I do not know why Ram Krishan Sharma needs to interfere at all.
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 3:29 am
HE MAY BE HOMOSEXUAL AND HOMINOID .
I AM HOMOGENEOUS .
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Ram Krishan Sharma,
What is HOMINOID ? If you meant to say Hominid, then all of us are hominids (i have taken the liberty to say “all of us” not sure if you want to seek seperate classification).
In what way are you HOMOGENEOUS ? New definitions?
RAM KRISHAN SHARAM said
DO YOU NOT WORSHIP BRAHMA WHOSE VARNA SYSTEM IS BASED ON RACE , CASTE AND RELIGION ?
YOU PEOPLE OPPOSE MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA . WHY ?
NOT OUR FAMILIES ONLY , OUR ENTIRE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IS UNCULTURED .
I BELONG TO A CULTURED FAMILY THAT IS WHY I DO NOT WORSHIP UNETHICAL GODS .
Dilip Muralidaran said,
December 4, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Of course, i do belong to a family which opposes the culture of abusing people on the basis of race, caste, religion and other social and cultural strata. In that way, im glad im from an “uncultured family”.
What about you? Do you even have a family in the mental asylum that you are in?
RAM KRISHAN SHARAM said
THEN WHY NOT WE DISCARD THE BAD PAST FOR A GOOD FUTURE .
WHY DO WE BURN THE EFFIGIES OF RAVAN , KUMBHKARAN , MEGHNAD OF PAST ?
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 10:49 am
All am telling you is if you keep talking about the past, there will be no future.
Dilip Muralidaran said
@lavanyamuralidharan: I’ve realized that late. This copy pasting shit is confusing business. On an RSS reader it all looks the same. Nevertheless, Chumber and Ram Krishan Sharma are the same ppl indulging in self praise, so what the heck. Their actions look so gay.
lavanmuralid said
I DO NOT KNOW WHY lavanyamuralidharan NEEDS TO INTERFERE AT ALL .
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Mr.Ram Krishan Sharma@Chumber,
You are the one that interfered in my conversation with Chumber to give me advice. And now you say that i am interfering (in what?). I do not need advice from people who call themselves “Homogeneous” (still wondering what on earth is that) 🙂 . Thanks.
mesquiteice said
Ram kishan sharm,
First, dont talk bad about Mr. OBAMA. You are calling him a black so many times. Why are you behind his colour.
Forget his colour. Start seeing him as a normal person. Dont refer to people as black and white. Everybody is one and the same.
I can make out that you are tring to play politics by creating enmity between indian people on the basis of gods(and their stories). If you really have any sense stop creating problems for others.
Mr. Obama never played politics based on colour nor is he against the white people. He never asked black people to hate white people.
Whereas Chumber and You are trying to create hatered by not allowing people to be happy. You are creating insecurity by speaking like this.
If you dont want to be a hindu and find problems, dont be a hindu. Nobody cares
President-elect Obama has released a statement on the Mumbai terror attacks:
” We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks,”
If you want to be loved like obama preach love, Dont preach hateful ideologies against hindus and hindu faith.
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM including CHUMBER
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
mesquiteice said,
December 6, 2008 @ 5:52 am
Ram kishan sharm,
First, dont talk bad about Mr. OBAMA. You are calling him a black so many times. Why are you behind his colour.
Forget his colour. Start seeing him as a normal person. Dont refer to people as black and white. Everybody is one and the same.
THEN YOU PEOPLE DO NOT WORSHIP THE CASTIEST BRAHMA AND VISHANU.
MR. OBAMA`S MOTHER WAS WHITE BUT YOU OPPOSE THE INTER CASTE MARRIAGES . IF EVERYONE IS ONE AND THE SAME , THEN YOU START INTER CASTE MARRIAGES .
I can make out that you are tring to play politics by creating enmity between indian people on the basis of gods(and their stories). If you really have any sense stop creating problems for others.
INDIANS ARE DEVIDED IN THOUSANDS CASTES / TRIBES , RELIGIONS ALREADY . WE ARE CREATING GOOD WILL BY DENOUCING THE DEVILS .YOU ARE THE PROBLEM . AT A TIME YOU CLAIM TO BE A HINDU AND MUSLIM . YOU WROTE AGAINST HAZRAT MOHAMMAD .
Mr. Obama never played politics based on colour nor is he against the white people. He never asked black people to hate white people.
Whereas Chumber and You are trying to create hatered by not allowing people to be happy. You are creating insecurity by speaking like this.
WE ARE NOT HATERS .WE ARE AGAINST THE HATERS WHO CREATED CASTE SYSTEM .
If you dont want to be a hindu and find problems, dont be a hindu. Nobody cares.
YOU CLAIMED TO BE A MUSLIM .
President-elect Obama has released a statement on the Mumbai terror attacks:
” We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks,”
If you want to be loved like obama preach love, Dont preach hateful ideologies against hindus and hindu faith.
I AM PREACING LOVE . YOU ARE ABUSERS , HATERS AND UNCULTURED PERSONS . I CAN NOT LOVE THE HATEFUL IDEOLOGIES OF HINDU FAITH .
SanJAm said
Mr Chumber , you just mentioned these lines:
“The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights.”
ARE YOU TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE TERROR ATTACK ON MUMBAI?
AND YOU DID NOT MENTION HINDUS IN THE GROUPS OF HAVE TAKEN UP ARMS?
IS THIS YOUR IDEA OR DID YOU TRY TO COPY THESE LINES FROM A PAKISTANI WEBSITE?
ARENT YOU ASHAMED OF YOURSELF, YOU ARE LIVING, EATING AND WORKING IN INDIA AND OPENLY CONDEMNING “ALL” THE HINDUS FOR ALL THE CRAP GOING AROUND IN THIS COUNTRY?
I REALLY FEEL LIKE BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHUMBER!
CHUMBER, YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT THATS ITS OOZING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH ALL THE TIME!
GO AND SEE A DOCTOR, YOU TWISTED BASTARD!
lavanyamurali said
THEN YOU PEOPLE DO NOT WORSHIP THE CASTIEST BRAHMA AND VISHANU.
MR. OBAMA`S MOTHER WAS WHITE BUT YOU OPPOSE THE INTER CASTE MARRIAGES . IF EVERYONE IS ONE AND THE SAME , THEN YOU START INTER CASTE MARRIAGES .
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Who are you to tell people whom they must not worship? Intercaste marriage already exists. Which idiot wants then to “start” them?
INDIANS ARE DEVIDED IN THOUSANDS CASTES / TRIBES , RELIGIONS ALREADY . WE ARE CREATING GOOD WILL BY DENOUCING THE DEVILS .YOU ARE THE PROBLEM . AT A TIME YOU CLAIM TO BE A HINDU AND MUSLIM . YOU WROTE AGAINST HAZRAT MOHAMMAD .
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You are creating badwill among those who have integrated. At the sametime, nobody becomes “divided” because of adhering to their own tribal practices. We represent unity in diversity. Mesquiteice never wrote anything against Mohammad. Nobody is perfect is any “religion”. We do not want trash politicians, fools and madmen wanting to “create” divisions to become prime minister.
WE ARE NOT HATERS .WE ARE AGAINST THE HATERS WHO CREATED CASTE SYSTEM .
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Do not use the term “WE”. Speak only for yourself. No dalit i know speaks like you or agrees with your nonsense.
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Mesquiteice: If you dont want to be a hindu and find problems, dont be a hindu. Nobody cares.
Chumber: YOU CLAIMED TO BE A MUSLIM .
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Whatz the connection between the 2 lines. Mesquiteice said no one cares if you do not want to be a hindu, Whatz being a muslim got to do with it?
I AM PREACING LOVE . YOU ARE ABUSERS , HATERS AND UNCULTURED PERSONS . I CAN NOT LOVE THE HATEFUL IDEOLOGIES OF HINDU FAITH .
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Funny joke, eh? If you cannot love, then live in your hate (btw, the ability to hate is in your dna) . No one cares.
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. SANJAM IS A VERY GOOD ABUSER BUT VERY POOR IN REASONING !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN THIS UNDERWRITING !
WHO HAD POSTED IT ?
PLEASE DELETE MY NAME .
C.L.CHUMBER said,
December 9, 2008 @ 10:43 am
I am a self-centric hate-monger who is being paid by muslim and christian missionaries to spew shit on public forums against hindus and hinduism.
please excuse my foul language against anyone and everyone. its not my mistake, my dalit parents brought me up in slums and used abusive language and animalistic manners. So i’m devoid of anything that is remotely civilized.
I WILL BECOME PRIME MINISTER OF DALIT INDIA, WHICH WILL INCLUDE ALL THE BULLSHIT OF THIS WORLD!
mesquiteice said
Dear Chumber,
Dont worry. I can understand your dilemma.
Just forget whatever you spoke.
Let us never hate others religions / faiths or beliefs. Let us give people of India the freedom to choose their faiths.
Let us not fight between ourselves as to who is good and who is bad. It is a waste of time.
I always believed that love will one day succeed and i and glad that you have chosen the path of love as well.
Thanks brother
C.L .CHUMBER said
MY COMPLETE WRITING OUT OF WHICH MR. SANJAM QUOTED IS AS BELOW –
TERROR OVER INDIA’S FINANCIAL CAPITAL MUMBAI!
– C.L.CHUMBER
On 26th November midnight , the financial capital of world’s most populated democratic country India faced a multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including the crowded Chhatarpati Shivaji Terminus railway station and two five-star hotels – Oberai and Taj. The situation was so tense and under no control that the government had to call in the Army to assist in defusing the situation. It is reported that more than 101 persons died and 250 injured.
Mr. A. N. Roy, DGP Maharashtra said tonight’s attack in ” at least seven places” is a” terror strike.” Mr. Roy continued,” The suspected terrorists struck in a number of places. Terrorists have opened in discriminate firing with automatic weapons.” In Delhi , the union Home Ministry said it was keeping a close watch on the situation and would provide all necessary assistance to the state government. The firing is reported near BMC headquarter, Hilton Holtel in Nariman Point and Vile Parle. It is reported that two terrorists gunned down.
An IPS officer Mr. Ashok Marutirao Kamte was killed while fighting terrorists at Metro Cinema in the city along with Mr. Vijay Salaskar an encounter specialist. Mr. Hemant Karkare, chief of the Anti-Terrorism Squad was also killed when he was leading an poeration at hotel Taj against terrorists. He was probing the Malegaon blast case. Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister condemned the terror attacks in Mumbai and assured all help.
The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
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lavanyamuralidharan said
The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
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Chumber,
What you have written is certainly wrong.
When you say “That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights” – it is clear that you are in agreement with violence taken up for “solution of their legitimate rights”.
When you say “Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?” – then you are connecting a terror situation with a political situation.
When you say “The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible?” – you are obviously connecting an economic situation with a terror situation.
Connecting either a political or economic situation with a terror attack is one thing but saying they took up arms as solution for legitimate rights just alludes to one thing:: That you agree with the violent attacks.
Finally when you say “We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world” – its like lip service, a covered up double-standard statement – its just like Pakistan accepting that terror elements operate from their soil but are stateless actors – a farce that no one beleives. Which is why no one is beleiveing in you either.
You end with the note “We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century” – why are you asking NRIs to help? Are you are referring to past people who funded stuff? If yes, why are you making such references in such a terror-attack situation?
BTW, Can you clarify why you are against Gandhiji in full detail ?
Thanks.
me said
me said,
December 11, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
See: http://manukhsi.blogspot.com/2008/11/salute-to-brave-soul-who-fought-for-her.html
Dalitnation has accepted that “”Some of the muslim and Christian organizations have pledged us support…….We are based in Mumbai and London.””.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .
lavanyamuralidharan said
C.L.CHUMBER said,
December 12, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .
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Chumber,
Since you suffer from selective (political) amnesia due to de-arranged (deranged) neuronic activity, am reproducing some your views on Gandhi:
NOTE to others:
To people who want to know more about Mangu Ram Muggowalia (a political ‘guru’ and British supporter), please read on why he wanted a seperate identity for Dalits as a seperate ‘religion’. Also please read about Poona Pact for Gandhi Vs Ambedkar.
My views: The Brits did not want a single united India, they wanted it divided in the name of religion and caste. Parts of the rubbish put forward by Muggowalia in the pre-independence days would certainly amount to sedition now; apart from big chunks of it being anti-constitutional.
The stooge-bags also twisted Hindusim around to found Ad-dharam, a politcal-religion based on nothing but ‘shudra’ caste division. The writings of Kabir and Valmiki happen to be such “twisted-around” examples. No one cares about such rubbish now. Just that it happen to serve as great fodder for wannabe Prime-ministers 🙂 And for missionaries too…And yeah, it looks like they can also easily go to the UK.
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 4, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
WHY NOT BRAHMINS CHANGE THEIRS COMMUNITY NAME AS HARIJAN ? ? ? ? ?
When Mr. M.K. Gandhi gave a name Harijan to the ex-untouchables ( SCs ) , Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia said ,” You Hindus are Harijans ! ” The Brahmins still mind if they are called Harijans – Sons of God !!!! Why ?
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C .L . CHUMBER said,
September 19, 2008 @ 6:01 am
MR.M.K.GANDHI APPOSED THE DALIT CAUSE AND EVEN TOOK FAST-UNTO-DEATH IN THE YERVADA PRISON , PUNE AGAINST THE DALIT CAUSE !!!!!
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
October 2, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
THE HINDU RASHTRA`S RASHTARPITA MR. M.K.GANDHI WAS A STAUNCH FLLOWER OF HINDU GOD RAM AND RAM RAJYA .
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
UNTOUCHABLES ( SCs) ARE NOT HINDUS .SCs ARE A SEPARATE ELEMENT !!!!!
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
..the above whole writing is DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR in his book ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLE .” ( PAGE 183 ,JAN.1991,) I HAVE JUST PRESENTED IT.
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C.L.CHUMBER said,
April 14, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
DR.Ambedkar delivered speeches in the Round Table Conferences in London that untouchables are a separate element in Indian society and he won by the communal award declared on 17th Aug.1932 but he lost by signing Gandhi-Ambedkar pact(Pune Pact).In March 1929,he wrote an editorial of his Bahishkrit Bharat weekly that untouchables must convert to Islam & there is no need to convert to Arya Samaj or Budhaism ! Before 53 days of his pre-nirvan, he embraced Budhaism.! In 1945 AD,he wrote a book`What congress & Gandhi have done to the untochables?` & in 1947 he took oath as minister in Nehru cabinet ! In 1945 he wrote a chapter`Are not untouchables a separate elements ?`in his master piece book `What congress &—-?` Next year he wrote a book to establish that untouchables are ex-Kashatary.!DR .Ambedkar denounced his pact with Mr.Gandhi.
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Please note Chumber’s demands in the last 2 lines of this note:
C. L . CHUMBER said,
May 5, 2008 @ 4:26 am
The govt.declared the communal award on 17th 1932 in which untouchables were recognised as separate element as Hindus ,Sikhs, Muslims and Anglo-Indians .But the manuwadi Mr Mohan Dass Karam Chand Gandhi declared his fast-unto-death against untouchables`separate equal status ! There was a Gandhi-Ambedkar pact ( Pune Pact ) on 24th sept.1932.The untouchables ( now SCs ) lost their separate identity to the Hindus & got some more seats on joint electorate basis in assemblies as well as reservation in govt. jobs.
Later on Dr.Ambedkar wrote a chapter `Poona Pact-A mean deal` in his book `What congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables ?`Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia14.1.1886-22.4.1980 ) founder president of the Adi-dharam mandal was also against Poona Pact. .Sahib Kanshi Ram in his book `THE CHAMCHA AGE-AN ERA OF THE STOOGES` wrote that Poona-pact produced dalit- stooges of the Hindus.Please amend the Indian constitution and codify SCs, STs and OBCs as separate elements as Hindus,Muslims and Christians and we will not avail reservation .Secondly give the Sikhs,Buddhists Jains also a separate religions status .
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
UNTOUCHABLES( SCs )ARE NOT HINDUS.THEY HAVE A SEPARATE IDENTITY !!!!!
-DR.AMBEDKAR IN ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
*****ACCORDING TO THIS TERMINOLOGY ,HINDUS ARE CALLED SAVARNAS AND OF THE UNTOUCHABLES AS PANCHAMAS .SUCH A TERMINOLOGY COULD NOT HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE IF SEPARATION HAD NOT BECOME SO PROMINENT AND ITS OBSERVANCE SI NECESSARY AS TO REQUIRE COINING OF SPECIAL TERMS TO GIVE EXPRESSION TO THE FACT .
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And Chumber typically loves the British:
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
August 25, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
NEITHER BRAHMINS NOR SHANKRACHARYA EVER HELPED SHUDRAS !!!!! We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins !
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C . L. CHUMBER said,
September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
BRITISHERS GAVE US CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY, GOVT.( LEGISLATURE, EXECUTIVE , JUDICIARY ),RAILWAYS , COMMUNICATION,POSTAL ,ENGLISH , GOVT. SCHOOLS , AIRLINES !!!!!
(Note: also please note that Christian missionaries always seem to like to mention a ‘few good words’ about the white masters who still control their minds).
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C . L. CHUMBER said,
September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
M/S Bhagat Singh , Chander Shekhar and Subash Chander Bose were communal .They fought for their own liberation .They did not fought for SCs , STs and OBCs .Chander Shekhar Azad used to wear the sacred thread out of his shirt which Shudra can not wear .Mr . S.C.Bose opposed the legal rights of SCs . Bhagat Singh was an Arya Samaji which is against the SCs,STs , OBCs , Sikhs,Muslims,Buddhists and Jains .( Please read the daya Nand `s Satyarth Parksh.
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Posting Chumber’s writing from another blog:
C,L.CHUMBER (20:56:32) :
I BELIEVED TEMPLE ENTRY WOULD MAKE THEM EQUAL MEMBERS IN AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HINDU SOCIETY ? – AMBEDKAR !!!!! ( 3rd March , 1932 )
Dear Viwers ,
In Punjab an arain obc muslim Karim Bakhsh converted to Sikhism .His son Bhai Mehtab Singh Bir initiated a movement against the untouchability in the Golden Temple at Amritsar by arranging a two day conference 11 and 12 october ,1920 at the Jallianwala Bagh , Amritsar .
In Punjab Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia an untouchable migrated to U.S.A. in Dec.,1909 and became a leader of the evolutionary organization the Gadhar Party founded on 13th April,1913 . S.Sohan Singh Bhakna and Lala Hardyal were its president and general secretary respectively .( Pl visit ambedkartimes.com for more on Baba Muggowalia ).
He founded the Adi-dharem Mandal on 11-12 June,1926 in a vast rally at his village Muggowal distt.Hoshiarpur.His Adi-dharam Mandal said that they are neither Hindus nor the Hindus belong to us .They declared that our religion and people had a separate identity and our Adi-mahagurus are Valmik,Namdev,Ravidas,Kabir and other shudra saints.They said that they are the aboriginals of India and the Hindus ( Brahmins,Kshattrya and vaish are the foreigner Aryans.The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! Dr. Ambedkar appreciated this move in his book the S” Source material on Baba Sahib Ambedkar” .
Baba Sahib Ambedkar should follow the Adi-dharam and not sign on the Poona Pact which he denounced later on in his book ” what Congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables .”
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Regards.
lavanyamuralidharan said
Chumber,
You called Gandhi a Scounderel.
You called freedom-fighters derisively as communal.
You refer to the British on praising terms; as though they are your saviours.
You seem proud to state the fact with a exclamatory mark that “The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! “.
You never want to extend your research to Christianity or Islam.
You are quick to defend negative things pointed out from Islam.
You have never said anything negative about Christianity, though things like incest have been recorded there.
You claim to be an Adi-Dharmi, which is just a political religion based on twisting around things from Hinduism, with help from missionaries. It is you guys that have messed with Rama and Krishna; and propagate negative things about the Vaishnava faith just as Periyar did in the south.
You put forward the demand of wanting to be recognized as a seperate religion; even though there is nothing original in Adi-Dharm.
Now i ask you::
If you are recognized as a seperate religion, what do you want to do about it now? There are no British to give you a seperate nation like Pakistan. There are no whites to help propagate the aryan-dravidian divide anymore; since scientific evidence is contrary to such ‘historical’ claims. You guys blamed your own country-men for your poverty based on caste (while it was the muslim and christian invaders like british that are in fact responsible for your poverty).
The Indian government has given you everything possible to make you guys educationally sound and materially wealthy. Then why do you still talk as though you are a deprived lot?
You said that if you are given a seperate religion status, you will not ask for reservations anymore. Is that your own conclusion or do all your Ambedkar-Organizations agree to that? If you are recognized as a seperate religion, will you agree and accept if all government-based incentives are completely removed from you? Please reply.
Paramacharya Pushkaraksha Sharma said
Dear VTR,
I know you and you do not know me. And yes you guessed it right I am a Brahmin. I am part of the international secret society of Brahmins which is also tied up with the priory of Zion (and other groups like Masons, Illuminati and many others I can’t tell now).
I read Dalit Voice regularly and I am your secret admirer because we should now our enemy well. In the last general body meeting the Priory Of Zion and the International Secret Soceity of Brahmins decided that you are the number one threat to our Jewish and Brahmin hegemony. We also had subsequent meeting with the Freemasons, Illuminati and Skull and Bones soceity. A few months back you had rightly pointed out that Obama is number one enemy of our hegemony. But let me tell you this we have already roped in Obama. You will be surprised to know this. Obama is going to be our chief guest along with his Jewish economic advisor Larry Summers and the former advisor the jewish alan greenspan and the Bania babe Sonal Shah. Obama has also pledged support that he is going to spread Manuwadi intrestets in the world. This is a clear victory for us. Now along with the Small Hanuman Statue obama also wears a sacred thread and chants the Gayathri Mantra along with Barokh Athoh Elohim. THis is a rare departure from traditions we Brahmins and Jews have done and we have included a person from another race to our own. Well we sometimes have to do this especially if the person is the president of America. Unlike what you have always said we Brahmins can be quite flexible if it comes to protecting ousr intrests.
In my last meeting with Obama and Louis Farrah Khan (Yes Farah khan is part of Masonic lodge if you did not know already), Obama has expressed that we should talk to Dalitvoice and VT Rajshekar.
Obama feels that you will be very angry with him now as he has switched camp. In this regard Mr VTR we would like to talk to you and come to an agreement. We know that you are living in a rich class house in Bangalore. We can provide you with much more funds and money and all you have to do is switch to our side. We will take care of you and your family for generations to come. We are more bothered about your view on Zoinist-Brahmin conspiracy which was once a secret and you have made it know to everyone. You should stop talking about this. You can still write what you have been writing except this Zionist-Brahmin thingy.
If you agree to this, there are a few things you should do to let us know and our agents will get the message. We need some coded messages from you in Dalit Voice. In the next issue of Dalit Voice just mention that Zionist and Brahmins have split up and there is an internal struggle in the priory of zion. Also write that Obama is still against the Jewish-Brahminintrests. We will get the message. Afterwards our secret members and travel advisors Aaron Rapheal and Srinivasa Shastry will contact you. Srinivasa Shastry will arrange for your travel in a business class ticket to Washington DC where we can meet in the Skull and Bones Soceity of Sunset Boulevard. We will meet with Obama, Greenspan and Larry Summers and Sonal and we will explain the deal and I am sure it will be much beyond your expectations. Much beyond the petro dollars that you are now getting. Afterall it is our dear Alan Greenspan who pegged in the Arab Sheiks as our slaves. Once you are through with this Aaron will contact you and take you to Israel in a chartered flight. You will be served the choicest of wines by nice barmaids of all Races and colours (even from the black untouchables of India). You will be conferred the title of Bhoodevatha and more goodies would follow. We will introduce you to the Masons, Illuminati, Neo Nazis and the Klu Klux clan.
We will wait for the next issue of Dalit Voice for this message. We will also provide you further details on other coded and hidden messages you should flash in Dalit Voice. I am sure we have lot of things we can do by working along with each other.
Thanks,
Paramacharya Pushkaraksha Sharma
General Advisor – Internation Secret Soceity of Vishwa Brahmins
Member – Priory of Zion
Member and Former Pracharak – Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh
happyhindu said
Look Chumber, this is getting really hilarious with pranksters having their day 🙂 For someone as important as you, i suppose you know what to do — why don;t you write to the prime minsters of new zealand, usa, etc :giggle: Have fun.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 11, 2008 @ 7:15 am
happyhindu said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
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Chumber, you are the last person that shd be talking about ethics.
You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal and claimed that dalits are a seprate element (not hindus).
You also said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times. Write with all details.
It wud be interesting to see how the rest of the so-called self-appointed dalits react.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
namaskar said
The only thing your blog would do it split up people along cast. I wish people spend the same energy towards their younger generation( irrespective of religion/cast) teaching. Religion is a hoax, it is a way to control people.
Instead of fighting with ‘upper cast'(read one group of people) why don’t you help downtrodden people(whomever you believe needs it).
In any human society(if you study carefully), there is no morality. People in power control people without power. If tomorrow you get power, I can bet that you would do the same thing.
Please stop being victim and take control of yours or help others control their life.
NB: BTW I am helping students do this.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
happyhindu said,
December 17, 2008 @ 2:05 am
Chumber, ….
You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal
happyhind said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
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It is a difficult situation when one suffers from verbal diarrhea as well as political amnesia at the same time….everything you have written is also saved up chumber…take a look below:
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
hh said
C.L .CHUMBER said,
December 17, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
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Already posted this but your dear dalitnation deleted it. Its the mark of a perfect politician to suffer from politicial amnesia and retract words. But remember that everything you have written has been saved. Please read below:
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 2:03 pm
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! ONLY THE BEARER KNOWS WHERE THE SHOE PINCHES !
MANUWADI MINDED MALES MADE THE LIVES OF THE WOMEN THE HELLS ! THE MANUWADI MINDED MEN DO NOT RECOGNIZE WOMEN AS EQUAL TO MEN . IF A MALE IS FEMINIST , HE IS NOT MANUWADI . HE IS A RESPECTABLE MAN . WE WEL COME HIM !
happyhindu said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
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Chumber,
Even if you lie or retract your statements, its all been recorded. Your called Gandhi a Scounderal in the first post on this page under point 6:
WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
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Stupid people who paste the same thing in several places to hog space should not be commenting on others about space wastage. Stupid politicians who call others names and then conveniently forget it, should not be wasting time calling others as “absent mind”.
C.L .CHUMBER said
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
happyhindu said
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
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Chumber,
Now you are saying you reproduced from the article. Even for ‘reproducing’ ofcourse you agree with the article, that is why you ‘reproduced’ it.
But look at your writing yourself – you made the comment abt Gandhi as a Scounderal in your own post (under point 6) without referring to the article at all.
Now you want to deny it. You are a perfect politician Chumber.
But anyways forget it. Am more interested in this::
You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.
C.L. CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!! ”
Dear viewers ,
The administrators of the dalitnation.wordpress.com described how the Brahmans handicaped the reservation policy through globlisation and finished Mr. Rajiv Gandhi ex prime minister of India .The Brahmans also finished Sahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram through judiciary !!!!! . The main points of this writing for serious study and discussion as below : –
( 1 ) The inhuman discrimination of Dalits by the Dwijas have no parallel in world history.
( 2 ) The Dalits had no social voice till Mahatma Phule came into picture.
( 3 ) Chattrapathi Sahuji Maharaj of Kolhapur initiated the Reservation policy in education in Maharastra in 1902.
( 4 ) But this was difficult to institutionalize because Manuvadis controlled all the educational institutes.
( 5 ) When our Dalit Messiah Dr Ambedkar took over the leadership of Dalits he asked for separate electorates for Dalits.
( 6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
( 7 ) The educated Dalits in the Government jobs were a major threat to Manuwadi interests
( 8 ) The Mandal Commission was such a big blow on the Manuwadis that they have still not recovered from it..
( 9 ) They created the Ram Janmabhoomi movement out of sheer desperation
( 10 ) The wily Brahmin Narasimha Rao of the Congress Party was commissioned by the Manuwadis to crush the uprising of Dalits and Shudras
( 11 ) Narasimha Rao contacted his Zionist allies in Israel. The Mossad was commisioned to kill Rajiv Gandh.
( 12 ) They sacrificed one of their Brahmin boys to protect the intrests of Manuwadis.
( 13 ) The Vaidiks consider Rao as their best Brahmin Prime Minister even better than their pet boy Vajpayee as he destroyed socialism of Babasaheb’s constitution.
( 14 ) The awakened Dalits and OBCs have created a new political structure in India
( 15 ) The Manuwadis are now trying all their best to snoop and destroy the Dalit awakening.
( 16 ) We at Dalit Nation will expose every deception and trick of Manuwadis so that Dalits will be always careful.”
I am in e-dialogue from 14th April , 2008 . I am always at the disposal of the dalitnation to expose the manuwadis !!!!!
happyhindu said
Chumber,
You have written enuf nonsense in various postings abt Gandhi. Forget Gandhi, he is dead and gone. Am repetedly telling you that am interested in this (Why do not you talk about this):
You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE WAIT FOR SOME TIME , WE WILL FIX YOUR RELIGION AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN RESERVATION !!!!!
happyhindu said
Chumber, my buddhi bcame brasht, my understanding took a beating and i need to apologize coz you did refer to the article while calling gandhi scounderal.
But again you are saying it clearly but not as such. You have made it clear that you are from the Muggowalia and Ambedkar schools, have repeated that Gandhi was against the dalit cause, have highlighted about ambedkar versus gandhi issue and have made it very clear about where you stand.
I asked you about your claiming a seperate religion status for giving up your reservation stand. You did not answer that.
Instead you are saying you will fix the hindu religion and give me reservation. I am not asking for reservation. I am only asking why are you having a reservation? And there is nothing in the religion to fix except your falsehood that hindu scriptures endorse rape.
So you better get straight and answer the question straight. If you are given a seperate religion status, will you give up your stand on reservations as stated by you?
It is clear that you are angry because you are seeking revenge for the past.
Lets say, a tanner’s great-grandfather was poor and kept away from the society. So his descendent now seeks revenge for his great-grandfather’s poverty and for his being kept away from the society; even though now he is rich and is part of the mainstream society.
Lets say, a so-called OBC’s great-grandfather was wealthy and kept no one away from himself. But now he is poor for no fault of his because of your reservation policies. In future, should his great-grand children seek revenge from you?
So, will this keep going on as a vicious cycle? I am Not seeing you as a dalit just because you are calling yourself as one. Nor do i see a brahmin as one just because he calls himslef as one. It is you yourself who is calling and defining yourself as a self-appointed dalit. For how long can you keep holding on to your self-appointed status as a dalit?
So Chumber, from here on you have 2 things to do and prove:
1) Give answers to question i had asked before on Manusmrithi and where is rape prescribed in hindu scriptures.
2) If you are given a seperate religion status, will you give up your reservations demand?
C.L.CHUMBER said
UNCULTURED PEOPLE ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
happyhind said
UNCULTURED PEOPLE ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
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And mad malacious cowardly politicians think they are cultured ppl using good language.
happyhind said
UNCULTURED PEOPLE ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
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Please don’t be foolish enuf to think that liars are cultured.
Am waiting for your answers on the two questions i asked above. Just bring the manusmrithi, padma purana, any purana, smrithi or whatever and prove that they endorse rape anywhere.
There is not a single religious book that endorses rape in any religion, expect for an indirect approval in the Quran.
Do not bring me some rubbish gazette. I can also write a story, get it published, get it included in a gazette – that does not make the story true. So just bring the actual verse in Sanskrit and write it down here. If there is any such verse, we will then discuss it.
If you cannot, just keep your lips sealed. No one wants to hear about culture from uncultured liars.
But do not forget to write about your giving up reservations in lieu for a seperate religion status in the Ambedkar Times.
mesquiteice said
The futility of religious conversions
By Ambassador O P Gupta, IFS
Horrible and brutal lynching of five dalit Hindus in Duliana, Jhajhar (Haryana) in Oct. 02, 2002 and simmering tensions in Chakwara near Jaipur on use of a village pond attracted a number of articles either lamenting or accusing someone.
In wake of these, articles justifying conversions of dalit Hindus also appeared and group conversions into Islam, Christianity and Buddhism were organised at Jhajhar and at Selaiyur (Chennai, 6th Dec., 2002). On 28th Nov., 2002, SC/ST Commission reported that Duliana lynching was not based on caste considerations demolishing main plank of conversion lobby. Religion and conversion should be private matters like right to choose partners where State has no role but only so far as these private rights are exercised privately at private places.
Group conversions organised with fanfare at public places are not sanctioned by Constitution and are subject to IPC provisions on apprehensions of breach of public order.
First generation social reforms in Hinduism (abolitions of untouchability and caste based disabilities) were successfully led by Swami Dayanand, Swami Vivekanand, Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, Sant Phule, Sri Narain Guru (SNDP), Basaveshwar, Varkari, etc. and have been codified in the Constitution and various Acts. Second generation social reforms in Hinduism from within for wider social acceptability of Vedic norms of equality by birth is the real solution to contemporary problems of the Hindu Samaj, not the gimmicks of conversions, nor the caste wars.
Root cause of conversions as rightly pointed out by N. Varadrajan, State Secretary of CPM(TN) are social ostracism and humiliations of dalits which this article attempts to remove. Late Shri Mohit Sen wrote in the Indian Express that what has aggravated the caste problem is the almost complete lack of any campaign against caste system – that decisive impediment to modernisation of Hindustan – to paraphrase the remarks of Karl Marx written in 1835.
In Ambedkar’s view the caste system is a social division of people of same race. [Dr. Ambedkar Life and Mission by Dhananjay Keer, page 269]. This assertion of Ambedkar that all castes of Hindus belong to same race is in conformity with 15 richas of Vedas, specially Yaj 26.02. ‘Caste is the bane of Hindus. Caste is the cause of downfall of the Hindus. Owing to caste the Hindus’ life has been a life of continuous defeats. Caste has made Hindus the sick men of India. Caste has ruined the Hindu race and has destroyed, demoralised and devitalised Hindu society.’
What is more, Dr. Ambadkar said, caste has made Shuddhi – conversion into Hinduism – impractical because one does not know which caste the convert to Hinduism will join. Caste has thus killed, he adds, the missionary spirit of Hindu religion [page 270].
Rigveda mentions four classes (but not castes by birth). Manusmriti mischievously converts these four classes into four castes by birth and introduces about forty mixed jaties but all related by blood. Manusmriti does provide some social mobility from one caste to another but through marriages. To keep Hindus divided under British Rule, 2378 main castes among Hindus were invented by employees of British Raj.
In the 1891 census about 1156 sub castes of chamars alone were recorded. God know how many castes and sub castes have so far been invented Intercaste marriages were allowed as per Satapath Brahaman(4.1.5.9) Paraskar Grihya(1.4.8—11) and Baudhyana Dharma(1.8.16.2-5).
Manusmriti’s caste system militarily weakened Hindus. As per Manusmriti and subsequent smritikars , sudras (working class) were kept out of villages and, thus, excluded from military, politics and the Govt. Vaishyas were kept confined to business, agriculture and cattle breeding so Vaishyas were not required to participate in military, politics and the Govt. Brahimins took position that arms and military was not their prime concern. So under Manu system, majority of population (say 75%) was mentally conditioned to be militarily impotent & politically neutral.
Only Ksatriya was supposed to be in military and had duty to fight wars. If Ksatriya were 25% (say) of population, 12.5% being ladies were excluded from military, rest one third of male being children and one third being too old to fight were also not available for military service. Thus, in Manu system only three percent of population had moral duty to fight for nation.
So, under Manu system a population of 10000 Hindus could yield a maximum of only 300 to fight whereas from a population of 10,000 of other religions over 1700 men or more were eligible/available to fight. No wonder, Hindus though larger in numbers, were always defeated by small numbers of foreigners, their women raped and molested, their temples destroyed and they were dragged thousands of miles on foot and auctioned as slaves in Kabul etc.
Was it a punishment under Slokas (XVI.18, 29 & 20) that Hindu were defeated and auctioned as slaves for violating Vedic & Gita’s norms of equality by birth? If so, should we not free ourselves from this curse by obeying Veda & Gita in our real lives? When the Constitution of India restored Vedic norms of equality by birth and gender equality, see, our Armed Forces have never been defeated; we Hindus have not again fallen as slaves, we are being accorded respect all over the world; and, India has become the fourth largest economy in the world in a short period of fifty years, a nuclear weapon country with its own missiles, satellites, digital telemetry, etc.
As per latest World Development Indicators, India’s gross national income in 2001 on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) basis was US$ 2913 billion, the fourth largest after the USA ($ 9781 billion), China ($ 5027 billion) and Japan ($ 3246 billion). These Big Four are followed by Germany ($ 2580 billion), UK ($ 1431 billion), France ($ 1425 billion), Canada ($ 825 billion) and Pakistan ($ 263 billion) on PPP basis, etc.
Ambedkar rightly diagnosed that caste is a notion, a state of mind. Its destruction means a notional change in mental set up. Hindus observe caste not because they are inhuman and wrong headed. They (Hindus) observe caste chiefly because they believe deeply that it is so ordained in their religion” (page 291). Dr. Ambedkar concluded that destruction of authority of Veda, destruction of sacredness and divinity of Vedas will lead to annihilation of castes; but, failing to destroy spiritual authority of Veda he got himself converted into Buddhism in 1956. In his famous 22 vows, Dr. Ambedkar mercifully did not include destruction of sacredness of Vedas.
If Hindus practise casteism, as Dr. Ambedkar rightly assessed, in belief that it is part of their religion, how could Hindus have agreed to destruction of Vedas – the fountainhead of their religion? I think a better way to annihilate casteism is to convince Hindus that casteism, as substantively proved in previous two parts, is truly not a part of Hinduism.
It is contrary to Hinduism. Casteism is rust and dust collected around Hinduism over centuries. I believe much more pragmatic way to annihilate caste is not engineering of conversions; not mutual acrimony; not caste wars; but full throated articulation of correct interpretations of 25 richas of Vedas, the thirteen slokas of Shrimad Bhagwat Gita and two examples set by Lord Rama which should convince upper caste Hindus that by practicing Manusmriti, they are actually committing sins (paap) of violating Vedas, Gita and Ramayana.
Such a course of action will loosen religious grip of Manusmriti on mindset of sawarnas. No Hindu knowingly prefers to earn wrath (shraap) of Vedas or Lord Rama or that of Lord Krishna by going against their commandments.
Gandhi fought tooth and nail to maintain unity of Hindu Samaj by fighting against untouchability, underwent 21 days fast to retain unity with scheduled caste Hindus by promising them more number of seats in legislatures than offered by the then British rulers. Whereas Manu after Rigvedic rishis was the one who fragmented and divided Hindus pushing them into slavery, Gandhi proved himself to be the grand Unifier in grand chain of Rigvedic rishis who mansa, vacha and karmana implemented the missionary shukta RV (X.191); and, like Moses delivered Hindu Samaj to its political liberation/freedom ,though , some may argue at much higher cost in terms of Hindu lives lost, but Gandhi was not a member of the Government.
It is another thing that Gandhi failed in handling/assessing the then Muslim League.
Articulation of above 38 richas & slokas will also convince Hindu priests that they have been preaching contrary to Vedas, contrary to Gita and contrary to Bhagwan Shri Ram’s examples. For comparison, one may note how steadfastly Muslims follow examples set by their Prophet in Sunnah. But, we, Hindus, do not put into practice what Bhagwan Ram himself practiced.
Managers of Hindu temples must instruct their priests to immediately put into practice these 38 richas and slokas. Stopping entry of SC/ST/Dalits Hindus into temples is violative of RV (X.191) and AV(III.30). Hindus of Chakwara violated AV (III.30.6) in denying access to village pond to Bairwa Hindus. Command of RV (X.191) oftenly came as shock and pleasant surprise to many Hindu priests whom I personally talked.
Many admitted not knowing Sanskrit nor ever having read Vedas but only having memorised some mantras and shlokas for conducting ceremonies. Pujaries said that they expect present-day leaders of Hindu Samaj to re-educate them and they assured that they will be second to none in spreading correct message of Vedas.
Pujaries agreed with me that they should visit SC/ST/Dalit houses for offering religious services as it would increase their regular income but their main difficulty was jhijhak i.e. who will bell the cat. Simply abusing and cursing Hindu priests or Brahmans in general will not lead to annihilation of caste, rather, their exposures to above 38 richas and slokas will certainly.
Incomes of all Hindu temples should be pooled to educate pujaries and an all India Hindu Pujari Service (IHPS) should be started by management of temples in which all Hindus would be eligible for recruitment based on their knowledge. Supreme Court has been faster than our socio-religious leaders in opening recruitments in temples for all Hindus.
In March 96, Supreme Court (JJ K. Ramaswamy and B.L. Hansaria) rightly ruled that office of temple priest cannot be hereditary. In October, 02, Supreme Court (JJ S. Rajendrababu and Doraiswamy Raju) held that non-Brahimins are eligible to perform religious ceremonies and work as temple priests if they are well versed with relevant rituals. These two decisions are consistent with real Hinduism as per RV (X.125.5) and RV (X.98.7).
At page 271, Keer informs that Dr. Ambedkar had also suggested destruction of idea of the hereditary priesthood and democratisation of the profession of priests by the grant of a sanad to any Hindu who passed a certain test and now it has been given force of law by the Supreme Court.
Conversion of Dalit Hindus to another religion has not proved to be a satisfactory answer, as even after conversion, converts do not get ‘social equality’ in their new religions. Conversions have proved to be divisive raising social tensions and creating law & order problems. Use of phrases like dalit Christians, dalit Muslims, dalit Buddhists in Indian media proves the point. R. Thirumalvalavam, Head of the Panthers Party of India told a website (Nov. 15, 2002): ‘that for emancipation of dalits, conversion is not the solution. Converts remain Dalit Muslims or Dalit Christians or Dalit Buddhists.’
A Dalit writer, told to the Week (18th Nov., 2001): ‘Over the years, when Dalits converted to Islam, Sikhism or Christianity, they did not lose their Dalit identify. They remained primarily Dalits, and, then Christians or Sikhs. Conversion is not the answer to exploitation of Dalits.’ Detlef Kantowasky, a German Professor of Sociology in his recent book `Buddhisten in Indien heute` says that Mahars who converted into Buddhism are still not able to shake off their untouchable stigma. In addition, new converts invite ridicule from Dalit Hindus for abandoning old faith generating another ripple of social tensions. Gaining ‘social equality’ is a two-way process involving two parties, oppressor and oppressed. Unilateral action (i.e. conversion, running away by oppressed) does not solve the problem as the other party continues to treat converts as before in villages. Converted dalits get socially cut off from Hindu dalits. Converts find their social circle in new religion further reduced and limited to previous converts from their old Hindu caste. As per Hindustan Times (15th June, 98), the then Census Commissioner of India (Dr. M. Vijaymuni) was quoted saying that there were caste divisions in Muslims (584), Christians (339), Sikhs (130), Buddhists (93), etc.
The 1901 census of Bengal placed Muslims into three groups: Ashraf (better class), Ajlaf (lower castes) and Arzal (Degraded castes). This categorisation was repeated in the Indian Express of 19th March, 1997. A website lists 72 different Islamic sects. Sunnies accept and venerate Hazrats Abu Bakr (632-634), Omar bin Khattab (634-644), Uthman (644-656) and Ali bin Abu Talib (656-661) as their first four rightful Caliphs (Khalifa i.e. successor to Prophet Mohammad, sallahu alai wa sallam) in this sequential order.
Hazrats Omar, Uthman and Ali were murdered one by one. Shiat Ali (i.e. followers of Ali, shishya of Ali, written as Shia or Shiite) believe that Hazrats Abu Bakr, Omar and Uthman became Caliphs against expressed desire of the Prophet (Khumb Declaration) and; that, Hazrat Ali ought to have been accepted as the first Caliph and the first Imam after Prophet.
This is the fundamental difference between Shiites and Sunnies. Shiite Muslims do not accept Hazrat Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman as Caliphs and Sunni Muslims do not accept Khumb Declaration. Shiite Muslims treat Hazrat Ali as the first Caliph and the first Imam. Sunnies accept Hazrat Ali only as the fourth Caliph. Consequently, text of Shiite Kalama and Shiite Namaz are different from those of Sunnies.
Shiite texts directly and indirectly declare and reaffirm that Hazrat Ali is the first Imam and the rightful successor of Prophet which Sunnies do not accept and cannot recite. The text of Sunni Kalama is La ilaha il Allah, Muhammadan Rasul Allah and the text of Shiite Kalama (Shahadatah) is La ilaha il Allah, Muhammadan Rasul Allah, Aliyun Wali-Allah, Wasiyu Rasulillah, wa Khalifa tuhu bila fasl. There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, ‘Ali is the Friend of Allah. The Successor of the Messenger of Allah And his first Caliph.
Basic tenets (usul-e-din) of Sunni Muslims are three: (i) Tauhid (unity of God); (ii) Noubouat (Prophethood) and (iii) Maad or Qayamah (day of final judgement). Shiite Muslims have two more basic tenets: (iv) Imamah based on family line from the House of Prophet (Ahlul-Bayt) and (iv) Justice of God (ahl). Shiite further believe that `noor` of Allah passes only through family line from generation to generation. These are matters of faith and belief which separate Shiite and Sunni. Shiite and Sunni generally do not inter-marry. They have different mosques, different texts of namaz, different body postures while offering namaz; and, different timings of namaz. Shiite are mainly divided into Ithna-Asheri, Bohras and Ismailies with no inter-marriages without conversion to husband’s sect; and, even these Shiite do not attend each others mosques. In Tanzania, intra-Islamic conversions were noticed: Shiite and Ahmadias were seeking converts from Sunnies and vice-versa. Ahmadias do accept Prophet Muhammad(saas) as a messenger of Allah but not as the last one. (http://www.alislam.org) (http://www.thepersecution.org).
Main sects in Sunni Muslims are Hannafi, Maliki, Shafii and Humbali. They are followers of Maulanas Abu Hanifa Al-Numan (699-767), Malik ibn Anas (714-796), Mohammad ibn Idris Al-Shaffi (767-820) and Ahmad bin Hanbal (780-855) respectively. Another Sunni sect is Ahle Hadith.
There are theological differences between Deobandi and Barelvi Sunnis. In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Ahmadias were declared non-Muslims and now there is pressure in Pakistan to declare Shiite to be non-Muslims. In this context, it is worthwhile to take note of a recent address made by H.E. Mr. Mahathir Bin Mohammad, Prime Minister of Malaysia, at the Al Azhar University, Cairo on 22nd Jan., 2003. He said `we all know that Prophet brought only one Islam but today there are many Islamic religions. There are Sunnies and Shiites divided into numerous groups by different Imams and Orders. Some of these interpretations and teachings are so different that their followers actually accuse each other of not being a Muslim. In fact they regard many who profess to be Muslims as infidels because of the thousands of different interpretations of Islam and the very many sects and adherents, each claiming to be true followers of Islamic religion, Muslims are thoroughly confused.` (28th January, 2003 – International Herald Tribune).
Holy Quran (ISBN: 0-940368-56-0) does not accept Jesus as a son of God nor his crucifixion, therefore, nor his resurrection. It accepts Him only as one of the messengers of God. Surah (IV.157) says that `they did not kill Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah (Jesus Christ) nor did they crucify him;` and, Surah (IV.158) says that Allah took him upto Himself. In Surah (IV.171) it is stated that Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah.
‘Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God: far be it from His glory that He should have a son.’ In Surah (V.116) concept of trinity has been declared to be false. It reads: ‘And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah, he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say).’
Surah (XXV.2) again asserts that Allah did not take to Himself a son. Thus, the Holy Quran does not accept the basic principles of Christianity i.e. Trinity, Crucifixion and, therefore, the Resurrection.
The Holy Bible is silent about life, whereabouts and activities of Jesus Christ between twelfth to thirtieth years of his age. Karna was born to unmarried virgin Kunti by blessings of God Sun; and, in Christian belief Jesus was born to Virgin mother Mary. There is similarity of circumstances. A German author Holger Kersten in his book Jesus Lived in India (ISBN-1-85230-5509) has described in detail His unknown life in India before and after crucifixion.
Some scholars believe that Christ had visited many cities in India learning Vedas, Yogas, meditation, etc. before returning to Palestine to preach, and; after surviving crucifixion returned to India and died in Kashmir. Some scholars suggest that Jesus Christ was an Essene preacher.
Philosopher Schoupenhaure in his book ‘Religion and other Essays’ (page-116) asserts that the Christian faith sprung from the wisdom of India. From Girnar inscriptions of Ashoka, it is observed that Buddhist monks went to Syria to preach Buddhism. Pliny, a Greek historian of first century AD has written that religious sect Essene lived in Palestine about a century before Christ, now accepted as a sect of Buddhism. In Egypt, Essenes were called Therapeuts. Christians acknowledge Holy Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost and at the time of Baptism water is sprinkled. In Buddhism, water is sprinkled while performing ‘abhishekam’ and Buddhists acknowledge trinity of Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. Births of Buddha and Christ were preceded by stars and both had twelve disciples. We Hindus also have Trideva (Brahma, Vishnu & Mahesh) and we also sprinkle water at religious ceremonies. Dead Sea scrolls (about 800) discovered in eleven caves near Qumran during 1947-65 are believed to be Essene literature.
Dead Sea scrolls are carbon dated between a span of about 68 BC to 124 AD and despite being contemporary of Jesus do not mention Jesus Christ being the son of God. On internet when one puts `Jesus Christ in India` into search mode one gets about 267000 references on Yahoo.
Website http://www.tombofjesus.com gives graphic details of grave of Yuz Asaf in Srinagar (India) which points east-west keeping with Jewish custom. Some believe it is grave of Jesus. The second century Church Father Irenaeus (who lived until about 180 C.E.) in his book `Against Heresies` has written that Jesus lived to be an old man upto times of the Emperor Trajan (98 AD), before finally dying in Asia. The Acts of Thomas describes the stay of Jesus and Thomas in Taxila (now in Pakistan) at a marriage ceremony at the court of King Gundafor in the twenty sixth year of his rule (47 C.E.).
Bhavishya Maha Purana (volume nine verses 17-32) says that Jesus (Isha Masih) was in India/Kashmir during reign of King Shalivahan which has been placed within 39 to 50 C.E. On this subject of life of Jesus Christ after crucifixion one may see books by Nicolas Notovitch (1894), Maury Lee (Jesus of India), Elizabeth Clare Prophet (Lost Years of Jesus), Paul C. Pappas (Jesus’ Tomb in India) and Mark Mason (In Search of the Loving God).
Jesus Christ preached in Aramaic language. Modern scholars believe that the Hebrew Bible(Old Testament), or Tanakh, was composed by four or five writers between 1000 to 400 BCE based on much older traditions. The New Testament was composed by a variety of writers between 60 to 110 CE. The contents of the New Testament were formalized by Athanasius of Alexandria in 367 CE, and finally canonized in 382 CE.
There are many disagreements about the order and composition of the Holy Bible among various sects (http://www.sacred-texts.com). The four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) differ in some aspects at places. What is the correct chronological order of these four Gospels is known as the Synoptic Problem in the Christian theology. Very little has survived about origins of these Gospels, when, where, why and by whom these were composed.
From first few centuries to 18th century, Augustinian hypothesis that Matthew, Mark, Luke is the correct sequence was the dominant view. In 1783, Johann Jakob Griesbach proposed Matthew-Luke-Marks sequence. In 1820 Johann Gottfried Herder proposed that Mark’s Gospel being the shortest should be the earliest document. Roman Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals, Orthodox Church, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehova’s Witnesses, Mermons, etc. have many fiercely contested theological differences among themselves.
In the medieval period, one sect of Christians used to kill/execute Christians of another sects (Catholics vrs Protestants; Inquisitions, etc.) X-mas is globally celebrated on 25th December as birthday of Jesus Christ but not by all Christian faiths. What is the truth only Jesus knows. Luke (II.8) says that at the time of birth of Jesus `.And there were in the same country(near Bethlehem) shepherds abiding in the field , keeping watch over their flock by night. It is said that in Palestine/Bethlehem, December is the coldest month when shepherds and their flock are not likely to be there in fields by night Shepherds are out in fields with their flocks in better months of summer. Holy Quran vide surah(XIX.20) does attest that Mary(Marium) was a virgin & chaste, untouched by any mortal man before conceiving Jesus. But surah (XIX.23) states that Mary gave birth to child Isa(Jesus) near trunk of a palm tree, not in a cave/stable. Surah(XIX.25) says that fresh ripe dates fell upon Mary when shaking trunk of the palm tree. It is said that ripe dates fall only in the summer months(July to September) in Palestine.Thus, both Holy Quran and Luke’s Gospel create some doubt about correctness of the present popular belief that Jesus was born in December. These are great puzzles of religion but could be explained as another miracles Jesus.
Atharvaveda says (XII.2.33) :: let him not hate us, nor let us(hate) him. Dhammapada says: ‘Hatred does not cease hatred at any time, hatred ceases by love, this is its nature. Let us live happily, not hating those hate us.’
[1.5]. New Testament says: ‘But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitefully use you, and persecute you. [Matthew 5.44]. `But I say unto you which hear, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you` (Luke 6.27). `Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you` (Luke 6.28).
But love ye your enemies, and do good (Luke 6.35). These show influence of Veda and Buddhism on Christ.
The News Week of USA (16th April, 2001) at page 45 reported that there are 33000 different Christian denominations in the world!!! The Catholic Bishops Conference of India (Sunday, 28th June, 98) estimated that 41% of new Pentecostals in India were former Catholics and 31% from other Christian sects.
So intra-Islamic and intra-Christian conversions are realities. In many countries Pentecostals have replaced Catholics as the majority denomination!!! Christians of one denomination generally do not attend Church of another denomination. Indian Christians are said to still discreetly follow pre-conversion castes of their Hindu forefathers. Syrian Christians (i.e. St. Thomas Christians) are said not to marry Latin Christians or Neo-Christians.
High caste Christians do not mix with Dalit Christians. As per http://www.dalitchristians.com, Christian Dalits suffer same oppression, segregation and discrimination at hands of caste Christians and 80% of jobs in Church and Church related institutions have been monopolised by caste Christians though dalit Christians comprise 75% of Catholic population in India.
TK Oommen & Hunter P. Mabry in their book `The Christian clergy in India` verify this discrimination. Dalit Christians website further alleges that untouchable Christians are forced to sit separately in many rural churches in India.
They must enter through a separate door into rural church and receive communion at separate altar!!! Jat Sikhs do not mix with Ramgarhias and/or Mazhabi Sikhs. There are separate gurudwaras for each group. One Muslim leader of Bihar (Dr. Ezaz Ali, President, All India Backward Muslim Morcha) was quoted (March 1997) that “social and economic condition of Muslim Dalit (arzal) is same as that of Hindu Dalit.
Their conversion to Islam has not helped them acquire social class mobility. While as Hindus they were ridiculed by upper caste Hindus, as Muslim Dalits they are looked down upon by upper caste Muslims (Ashrafs).” As per The Week (Jan. 31, 1999), Pasmanda Muslim Samaj of Bihar reiterated oppression of dalit Muslims at hands of upper caste Muslims pointing out that out of 245 Muslim MLAs produced by Bihar between 1952 to 1995 there has been no dalit Muslim MLA so far. How many Dalit Hindus have been elected to Bihar Assembly?
So, there are wheels within wheels in matters religious; these are too complicated for common persons, one does know what is truth and what is not truth and, the best way out is not to get involved in religious bigotry but to live and let live in peace and harmony with neighbours.
`Love thy neighbour` should be our motto. Let one not question correctness of religious faith of the other. Let us live happily under the banner of our tricolour reflecting unity in diversity.Concept of Vasudhaiva kutumbakam i.e. universal brotherhood is the best policy.
Another shocking but real problem is practice of some sort of untouchability, within SC/ST/Dalit Hindus. Conversion from one religion to another does not address this problem. Some websites espousing emancipation of dalits publicise only divisive/negative slokas of Manusmriti (to exclusion of harmony seeking richas/slokas of Vedas, etc.) which makes double damage to their own cause as, on one hand, it only further depresses SC/ST/Dalit Hindus to meekly give into submission believing it is too difficult to fight Dharma; and, on the other hand, convinces caste Hindus more & more that this is what Hindu Dharma ordains so they start practicing casteism with more conviction.
Various reform movements during freedom struggle made substantial gains which got codified in the Constitution of India. But from 1950s onwards there has been no real social reform movement. It is high time to do second generation reforms of Hinduism from within. SC/ST/Dalit Hindus who are already armed with the Constitutional articles and various Acts should be exposed more and more to the 25 Vedic Richas, 13 slokas of Shri Mad Bhagwat Gita and to rich contributions of their ancestors to three supreme scriptures so as to boost their morale and to convince them that their fight is not against Vedas, not against Dharma but only to cleanse Veda of the rust and dust collected over centuries – that they are going to fight to restore original teachings of holy three scriptures that they are returning to their roots.
Such a strategy will liberate dalit Hindus from their mental mindset of being “lowly born” and empower them mentally & spiritually to take up the fight.
On the other hand, exposure of caste Hindus to these very richas will change their mindset that practising untouchability and casteism is really a sin (paap) against dharma. Democratised All India Hindu Priest Service (IHPS) will only accelerate this process. Casteism cannot be annihilated by mutual acrimony, by violence or conversions, or by caste wars as it is a mental state or a mindset.
During my foreign service, I have seen educated Indians living in foreign countries for decades but still practising casteism there in foreign countries in more subtle form!! Let the Yajna (social movement) assisted by 25 Vedic richas and 13 slokas of Gita be initiated to permanently destroy both the demons – the demon of intra-Hindu casteism and the demon of intra SC/ST/Dalits Hindu casteism from the Hindu subconscious mind.
Let us return to our roots of Vedic brotherhood equipped with modern science and technology.
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN IN HINDU SCRIPTURES REGARDING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS WHICH WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED .YOU PLEASE READ THESE SCRIPTURES AND YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH !
WHEN A PERSON ALWAYS ABUSE OTHERS , IT IS AN ESTABLISHED FACT THAT HE HAS NOTHING TO SAY IN HIS / HER DEFENCE .
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
PLEASE ALSO READ ” WRITINGS AND SPEECHES OF BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR VOL. 5 – RIDDLES OF HINDUISM ” PUBLISHED BY THE MAHARASHTRA GOVT. IN ENGLISH EXPOSING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS OF INDO ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE DISTRICT GAZETTEER OF EVERY DISTRICT IN INDIA IS PRODUCED BY THE STATE GOVERNMENTS WHICH HAS VERY VERY AUTHENTIC INFORMATION FROM ANCIENT PERIOD TO LATEST CENSUS . SOME PUBLISHERS PUBLISH THE SET OF DISTRICT GAZETTEERS OF PRE INDEPENDENCE PERIOD .
THE DISTRICT GAZETTEER OF JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) RECORDED THE RAPE OF ADI-MATA VARIND BY INDO ARYAN VAIDIK GOD ( ? ) VISHANU ON THE BASIS OF THE PADAM PURAN !!!!!
EVERY PATWARI ( REVENUE EMPLOYEE ) OF EACH VILLAGE HAS THE RECORD/ HISTORY OF THAT VILLAGE SINCE ITS ESTABLISHMENT !
happyhind said,
January 6, 2009 @ 2:07 am
Do not bring me some rubbish gazette. I can also write a story, get it published, get it included in a gazette – that does not make the story true.
hh said
I have a copy of the Padma Puran with me. Because of you idiot i went searching for it and purchased an english translation copy of it.
Some idiots wanted to make money from temple rights. So they cooked up a story a very long time back, claimed it is from the Padma Puran and survived on it until the world got smarter.
Now you idiot who believes that it really happened, please pick up the Padma Puran book and show me line by line where is this rape case mentioned in it.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE YAMUNOTARI AND GANGOTARI OF THESE CASTIEST PROBLEMS IN ALL RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES ARE THE HINDUISM AND ITS FOLLOWERS WHO ALSO DOMINATE IN NON-HINDU RELIGIONS TO BEHAVE DALITS AS UNTOUCHABLES !!!!!
THE SHUDRAS OF ALL RELIGIONS MUST UNITE TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN RELIGION WHERE THERE WILL BE NO GRADATION AND DEGRADATION !
mesquiteice said,
January 7, 2009 @ 7:50 am
The futility of religious conversions
By Ambassador O P Gupta, IFS
MAHA said
mr. chumbar…..
Why should u blame our brahmins? I don’t know? U r also blaming our Mother’s also… Its too bad . I read all what u are writting… But u are falsely allegating our families and our mothers also…
happyhind said
Chumber, Just give the details of the case you have filed. There is nothing else to say to madmen.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I WILL NOT REPLY TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .
I HAD ALREADY REPLIED .
I MAY STOP DIALOGUE WITH YOU WHO ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE TO SHOW YOUR FILTHY BENT OF MIND .
happyhind said,
January 11, 2009 @ 11:59 am
Chumber, Just give the details of the case you have filed. There is nothing else to say to madmen.
happyhind said
I WILL NOT REPLY TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .
I HAD ALREADY REPLIED .
I MAY STOP DIALOGUE WITH YOU WHO ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE TO SHOW YOUR FILTHY BENT OF MIND .
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So you are running away.
You lied all the way thru. You quoted your own lies and passed it off by saying manusmrithi said like this, kabir said like that and so on. All you quoted was trash published by missionary mafia.
Now when you are being nailed, you are running away.
Now i am asking you:
1) Details of the case you have filed. Give it to me here and now.
2) Where does it say in the Padma Puran, Manusmrithi or anywhere in the hindu scriptures that rape is permissable. Where is rape endorsed? Prove it. Show me the verses.
Don’t run away like a coward.
happyh said
I WILL NOT REPLY TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .
I HAD ALREADY REPLIED .
I MAY STOP DIALOGUE WITH YOU WHO ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE TO SHOW YOUR FILTHY BENT OF MIND .
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You had not replied anything.
Don’t lie again and again.
Don’t run away with excuses. You have the filthiest of minds anyone has ever seen.
So, Just give me the details of the case you have filed.
Or accept that you have only spewed lies so far.
happyh said
I WILL NOT REPLY TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN .
I HAD ALREADY REPLIED .
I MAY STOP DIALOGUE WITH YOU WHO ALWAYS USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE TO SHOW YOUR FILTHY BENT OF MIND .
———–
You had not replied anything.
Don’t lie again and again.
You have the filthiest of minds anyone has ever seen. Don’t run away with excuses.
Just give me the details of the case you have filed.
Or accept that you have only spewed lies so far.
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR .
happyhind said
PLEASE READ ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR .
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This is not a reply.
You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.
If not, then apologize for all the lies you have spread so far.
C.L.CHUMBER said
FIRST OF ALL ,YOU PLEASE READ ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR`S SHABADS AND SHALOKAS IN THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB , THEN COMMENT .
HAD YOU READ THE PADAM PURANA ?
IF YOU PURCHASED , WHAT IS THE NAME OF TRANSLATOR,EDITOR ,PUBLISHER ,ADDRESS OF THE PUBLISHERS .
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY ABUSING AND BLAMING TO DERAIL THE REAL ISSUES .
I HAVE NOT MET EVEN A SINGLE PERSON WHO IS SO ABUSIVE AND ABSENT MIND.WHO FIRST ABUSES AND THEN FEEL SORRY IN WRITING MORE THAN FIVE TIMES !
YOU ARE APPRECIATING MR. SANJAM WHO ONCE WROTE THAT LAXMAN WILL RAPE MY MOTHER AND SISTERS .IF I REPEAT THE SAME FOR YOUR MOTHER AND SISTERS (WHOM I HAVE FULL REGARDS ) , THEN HOW WILL FEEL YOU AND YOUR MOTHER AND SISTERS ( EVEN YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTERS ).
I AGAIN REQUEST YOU TO BE GENTLE AND DO NOT ABUSE .
I RETURN AGAIN ALL YOUR ABUSES WITH MR. SANJAM`S ABUSES ( TO WHOM YOU APPRECIATED ! ) SO THAT YOUR GOOD SELF MAY OFFER THESE TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOUR REVERED GODS .
happyhind said,
January 13, 2009 @ 6:43 am
You lied all the way thru. You quoted your own lies and passed it off by saying manusmrithi said like this, kabir said like that and so on. All you quoted was trash published by missionary mafia.
Now when you are being nailed, you are running away.
Now i am asking you:
1) Details of the case you have filed. Give it to me here and now.
2) Where does it say in the Padma Puran, Manusmrithi or anywhere in the hindu scriptures that rape is permissable. Where is rape endorsed? Prove it. Show me the verses.
Laxmi said
I felt pity on u……. jus look arround and see wher the world is going……there are much serious issues happening in front of our eyes…….nd u guys ar stick with internal caste conflict. Today India is facing a major problem and that is convertion many people in India special the dalits nd the poor people are converting into christianity for just few buks of money or many are forcefully been converted…….now this is high time open your eyes……look wat is happening arround our self we keep on commenting on each other religions and these christian people are converting our brothers and sister. think of it and if possible please stop…..this convertion.
happyhind said
Chumber,
Do not go beating around the bush.
I do not want guru granth sahib or kabir das. You are writing your own stuff and claiming Kabir wrote this and that.
When someone asks you for actual proof, you claim ridiculous things.
You claimed you filed a case in some “people’s parliament” (lol). Give me the details of this case you filed. Provide proof from manusmrithi, padmapuran, any hindu scripture that endorses or permits rape.
If you cannot provide proof, accept that you have spewed lies. Apologize to hindus for hurting religious sentiments.
hh said
Dalitnation,
Make sure this comment appears on page:
Chumber,
Am using Padmapurana translated by Deshpande. But it is not easy to get unless you order online.
You can use padmapurana translated by debroy and published under the ‘great epics of india’ series and it is without actual sanskrit verses but is cheap and easily available.
Padmapurana is also available for free online (again no sanskrit verses, just exact translation in english): http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Puranas/Padma_Purana.htm
You claimed there is a story of Brahma who tried to rape 5 times – where is that story in the Padmapuran? Show me.
Prove to me where is rape endorsed in Padmapurana?
You repetedly lie about hindu scriptures. You lied that Manusmrithi says a brahmin can rape. Show me any hindu scripture where is endorsed.
You just lie with your evil side. You know what are you going to get for spreading all these falsehood? It means you are going to a mental asylum.
You claimed you filed a case. Give me the details about the case here and now. Do not fool people.
Do not keep shouting nonsense in caps. You never know when you meet someone who finds the courage to become a bigger bully than you.
You have to apologize to hindus for all the lies you have spread so far.
C.L.CHUMBER said
hh said
January 20, 2009 @ 8:33 am
Dalitnation,
Make sure this comment appears on page:
Chumber,
Padmapurana is also available for free online (again no sanskrit verses, just exact translation in english):http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Puranas/Padma_Purana.htm
I VISITED THE SITE AND FOUND :
PADMA PURANA
By Shrila Krishna Dvaipayana Vyasa
Told by Purnapragya Dasa
Published by Rasbiharilal and Sons, Loi Bazaar, Vrindavan http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Puranas/Padma_Purana.htm
THIS IS NOT THE TRANSLATION OF ORIGINAL AUTHENTIC SANSKRIT SOURCE !
THIS IS BASED ON AS Told by Purnapragya Dasa .!!!!!
THE AUTHENTIC PUBLISHER ON INDOLOGY M/S MOTI LAL BANARSI DAS , NEW DELHI PUBLISHED THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE PURANAS .
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
PLEASE READ MR. L. R. BALLEY`S BOOK IN HINDI ” HINDU DHARAM : DHARAM YA KALANK – HINDUISM : RELIGION OR DISGRACE ? ” WHICH CAN BE HAD FROM AMBEDKAR BHAWAN , AMBEDKAR ROAD , JALANDHAR CITY – 144003 ( PRICE RS. 70/- ONLY ). IN THIS BOOK YOUR GOOD SELF WILL FIND ALL REFERENCES ABOUT THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO ARYAN VAIDIK GODS .
hh said
January 20, 2009 @ 8:33 am
You claimed there is a story of Brahma who tried to rape 5 times – where is that story in the Padmapuran? Show me.
Prove to me where is rape endorsed in Padmapurana?
happyhind said
Chumber,
Which idiot will beleive that one dumb LR Balley’s source is the authentic source; and all other versions are wrong.
All this time, you have only recommended mafia fellow Balley’s books.
Just come to court. You will know what is authentic and what is not.
Instead of just talking utter nonsense, just give details of the case you have filed.
You even lie taht you filed a case. What a liar you are all the way thru. Sick man.
happyhindu said
Chumber,
Come to court and prove that Balley’s version is authentic.
You must be really retarded to believe that all versions are unauthentic except Balley’s version. Ofcourse, you are a politician.
Stop blaberring your nonsense and provide details of the case you have filed.
Just give me the FIR number, name of the policeman who took down the report, and full address of the policestation where you filed the case. And i will know what to do from there onwards.
C.L.CHUMBER said
NEITHER ANY GOVERNMENT DARED TO BAN MR. L.R. BALLEY`S BOOK ” HINDU DHARAM : DHARAM YA KALANK ” NOR ANY VAIDIK HINDU INTELLECTUAL DARED TO COUNTER HIM .MR. HAPPY HINDU WROTE ” dumb LR Balley ” ,” mafia fellow Balley “. IS IT THE WORDINGS OF A SOUND MIND ?
happyhind said
NEITHER ANY GOVERNMENT DARED TO BAN MR. L.R. BALLEY`S BOOK ” HINDU DHARAM : DHARAM YA KALANK ” NOR ANY VAIDIK HINDU INTELLECTUAL DARED TO COUNTER HIM .MR. HAPPY HINDU WROTE ” dumb LR Balley ” ,” mafia fellow Balley “. IS IT THE WORDINGS OF A SOUND MIND ?
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Nobody has ever heard of Balley, supposed to be a writer-of-some-sort churning out roadside books that no one buys. He is not important enough to be banned (what do ya call cock-and-bull stories that are not worth even taking a single glance).
Come to court and prove that Balley’s writings are authentic.
And yep, let the court prove who is of sound mind.
Now you just give details of the case without talking for a century.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. L.R. BALLEY JUST CELEBRATED GOLDEN JUBILEE OF HIS HINDI FORTNIGHTLY
THE BHEEM PATRIKA . THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER ANY ONE KNOWS HIM OR NOT. I WROTE THAT YOU MAY GET ALL REFERENCES IN HIS BOOK REGARDING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS .
happyhind said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:26 am
Nobody has ever heard of Balley, supposed to be a writer-of-some-sort churning out roadside books that no one buys. He is not important enough to be banned (what do ya call cock-and-bull stories that are not worth even taking a single glance).
C.L.CHUMBER said
YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ?
happyhind said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:26 am
Come to court and prove that Balley’s writings are authentic.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
PLEASE READ IT CAREFULLY !
3.8 Sex
The Authors of the Hindu scriptures never considered sex as a taboo “For the twice-born men, at first, a woman of the same Caste is approved for marrying; but those who act from lust, lower Castes women may be in order (aswives). A Shudra woman alone is the wife of the Shudra; but she and a woman of his own Caste are legally wives of a Vaishya; they two (Shudra and Vaishya) and also woman of his own Caste are wives of a Kashatriya; these three (Kashatriya, Vaishya and Shudra) women and a woman of his own Caste are the wives of the Brahman.”36
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/dsnuk.htm#e
happyhind said
Chumber,
I give a damn for you and your utter nonsense.
The only thing you do is talk forever.
You are so cowardly that you do not even dare to file a case…but you talk like some big crazy man. Well, need to remind myself you are indeed a mad chap. That is why you do not dare to come to court.
You guys are free to make a living from all the nonsense you do.
But mark my words (and mark it well) – You Will Someday Be Beaten Up By Your Own Dalit Kinsmen.
Goodbye.
C.L.CHUMBER said
WE ARE IN LOVE WITH THE TRUTH ! ! ! ! !
WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF TRUTH ? ? ? ? ?
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
I AM BEATING YOUR GOOD SELF `S RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THIS BLOG .PLEASE COME AND SAVE THEM BY REFUTING MY LOGICS WITH REASONING , PROOFS AND REFERENCES !
I DAMN CARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY SPEAKING TRUTH . BUT I KNOW VERY WELL THAT YOUR GOOD SELF MAY HANG ME BUT YOU CAN NOT FINISH THE TRUTH . SOME ONE OTHER WILL HOLD THE FLAG OF TRUTH .WE ARE IN LOVE WITH THE TRUTH .PLEASE LIVE AND LET LIVE ON THE EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE BASIS .
YOU CAN SAVE YOUR PEOPLE FROM THE DALIT NATION AND ” Your Own MANUWADI Kinsmen ” BY THESE EVIL GODS AS YOU COMMITTED IN WRITING IN THIS BLOG THAT YOUR GOOD SELF IS AGAINST THE RAPEISM !
IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
THEN WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE TRUTH !!!!!
happyhind said
January 29, 2009 @ 9:35 am
Chumber,
But mark my words (and mark it well) – You Will Someday Be Beaten Up By Your Own Dalit Kinsmen.
happyhind said
I wrote in detail in my monthly magazine in July , 1986 , the government banned that issue and even imposed TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A but did not dare to arrest me . Mr. V.T. Rajshekar and myself were the two on whom TADA was imposed .
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Chumber,
Just give your TADA file number. You can shout as much as you want about your “good self” in court.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
WHO ARE YOU TO ASK FILE NUMBER OF TADA CASE ?
ARE YOU ABOVE THE GOVERNMENT OR CONSTITUTION ? ?
YOU CAN ASK FROM THE HOME MINISTRY , PUNJAB GOVERNMENT !
DO YOU NOT KNOW THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT FILED A CASE OF TREACHARY AGAINST MR. TILAK . NOW THE INDIAN GOVT. PUBLISHED THAT CASE ` S FILE IN A BOOK .
WE INCLUDING MR. V. T. RAJSHEKAR ARE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF THE INDIAN SOCIAL RESURGENT MOVEMENT !
PLEASE READ MY VIEWS IN DETAIL AS BELOW –
UNSUNG HEROES OF INDIAN SOCIAL RESURGENT MOVEMENTS
BABA RAM SINGH NAMDHARI
AN OBC FOUNDER OF SWADESHI,
NON CO-OPERATIVE MOVEMENT !
Recently, the Indian government recognized the Namdhari Movement and the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs as the parts of the National freedom movement on 27th January, 2009 . The both movements will be entitled for the Grants and freedom fighters honour scheme-1980 AD. Professor Malvinder Singh a prominent historian filed a public interest litigation petition in the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Chandigarh to declare these movements as part of the National freedom movement. Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia was awarded by Mrs. Indira Gandhi then Prime Minister of India as freedom fighter of the Gadhar Party, USA but he was never honoured as the founder of the social resurgent movement the Adi-Dharam Mandal Punjab. Why not the Indian government and state governments declare these social resurgent movements i.e. Adi-Dharam Mandal of North India , Adi-Dravida of Tamilnadu , Namo-Shudra of Bengal , Adi-Andhra of Andhra Pardesh , Adi-Karnatka of Karnatka , Mahar Movement of Maharashtra , Satya Shodak Samaj of Pune , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha of U.P , Scheduled Castes Federation , Baba Ayyan Kali and Narayana Guru of Kerala`s movements , revered Periyar’s self respect and many more which fought against the Aryan imperialism’s Varna / caste system slavery . Our Indian constitution accepted these movements ` aims and objects but did not recognized as freedom movements! Why? What is the definition of the freedom adopted by the present “sawdesi rulers “????? The Indian citizens must dare to assert to theirs legitimate as well human rights to dynamite the manuwadi spirit forever to establish the Indian constitution drafted by under the chairmanship of revered Baba Sahib Dr. Ambedkar. This constitution was passed by the constituent assembly elected by the then India voters as well as Indian government! LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY, EQUITY, QUALITY, LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL!!!!!
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/c_l_chumber.htm
happyhind said
February 3, 2009 @ 8:41 am
Chumber,
Just give your TADA file number. You can shout as much as you want about your “good self” in court.
hh said
Chumber,
We are giving you a golden oppotunity to prove all the lies you have been spreading about hindu scriptures. Why are you afraid?
If you have not lied, then give your TADA case file number or proof of identity.
We have every right to ask your details because you are a self-appointed “statesman”. We stand for equality.
Four economically-poor people are filing a case against you. Two are Hindus, One is a Christian and the other a Muslim. The fifth one filing a case against you is me. Other such as Dilip may additionally file cases as well.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
YOU CAN ASK FROM THE HOME MINISTRY , PUNJAB GOVERNMENT !
I HAVE NO RECORD . I JUST READ THE NEWS IN THE LOCAL NEWS PAPERS !!
THERE WAS A PLOTTED ROAD ACCIDENT OF ME IN WHICH MY TWO LIEUTENANTS KILLED AND THREE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY INCLUDING MYSELF ADMITTED FOR THREE WEEKS IN HOSPITAL . I HAVE NOT RECORD . I DO NOT BOTHER FOR THESE RECORDS . THIS IS THE DUTY OF DALIT HISTORIANS !
YOU PLEASE READ RECORDS ABOUT YOUR EVIL GODS !
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
THERE IS NOW DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!!!
INDIAN RAPIST GODS` FOLLOWERS FOLLOW THEIRS GODS TO RAPE EVEN THE FOREIGNERS TO GLOBALIZE THEIR RELIGION OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BUT THEY WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS B`CAUSE THERE IS NO MANU-SIMRITY .
SHAME TO YOU WHO CLAIMED TO BE A MEMBER OF ISKCON AND ONCE YOU INVITED ME TO BE ITS MEMBER AND INITIATE AS BRAHMIN !!!!!
*A US national has alleged that she was molested by unknown person in an ISKCON (The International Society for Krishna Consciousness,) temple guest house in Mumbai. The Bharat Ratan highest reward for civilians winner Pt. Bhim Sain Joshi (2008 Ad) said in a function in Gujrat, “I love girls like Krishna!” Krishna deserted his wife Rukmani and loved Radha to whom Hindus worship in the temples ! Krishna is condemned in the Guru Granth Sahib for his love affairs! Please read Dr. Darshan Singh Chandigarh `s commentary and translation of Guru Granth Sahib in English .BY C.L.CHUMBER .You may have from : ( http://www.newbookcompany.com , email: contact@newbookcompany.com).
COURTESY : TO-DAY`S INDIAN HIGHLIGHTS 6TH FEBRUARY ,2009 http://www.ambedkartimes.com/
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Kumarpushp ji ,
First of all , I wish you , the dalitnation and viewers HAPPY GURPURAB DAY OF ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS JI which is being celebrated in the whole world !Secondly , Dr.Darshan Singh ji , Head ( retd.), Guru Nanak Studies Center , the Punjabi University , Chandigarh translated the Guru Granth Sahib in English . You may read the Gurvani of AdiMahagurus Namdev ( Chhimba of Maharashtra ) ,Ravidas ( Chamar ) & Kabir ( Julaha ) both of U.P. , Dhanna ( Jaat of Rajasthan ) , Sain ( Nai of Punjab / M.P. / Maharashtra ) , Sadhna ( Butcher of Sindh ) , Mardana ( Mirasi of Pakistani Punjab ) and others . There is Gurvani of first five Sikh Gurus and Guru Tegh Bahadur and remaining 29 writers of Guruvani .
This translation can be had from ( http://www.newbookcompany.com , email: contact@newbookcompany.com).
C.L.CHUMBER said
January 30, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
DEAR KUMARPUSHP JI ,
Please read the dalit Nirgun saints gurvani .This is very revolutionary but we could not access to it and presented to the masses .You may read the Engrish version of Guru Granth Saheb in which this Gurvani is included !
C . L . CHUMBER said
NOW THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THE DALIT BY BIRTH OR BY VIRTUE AS WELL !
Dear Administrator ji ,
I congratulate you on discussing the topic of future ruling political party / alliance being in majority and the future Prime Minister of India .I am indebted to your good self and your team which highlighted the dialogue on the Indo Aryan Vaidik Hindu Gods which helped me to pen down my knowledge / information .
Shahid e azam Saheb Kanshi Ram once in a speech to intellectuals advised not to dig the ancient but concentrate to the medaval and modern periods .And the current day to day developments in any field is more relevant to discuss to solve our day to day problems and near future planning .
Yesterday , I as main speaker in a congregation on the auspicious occasion of Adi Mahaguru Ravidass ji birthday Gurupurab at Jandiala Guru town in district Amritsar stressed on to discard the intoxication , illiteracy , back biting , quereling over trifles ,casteism ,religious fundamentalism , poverty with references to the Gurvani of Guru ji . I appreciated some families who did marvelous jobs in producing gazzeted officers , Tehsildars , professors , teachers and doctors and claimed that they are the true followers of Guru ji as Guru ji stressed on gainig education . I said that Guru ji proclaimed in His shabad that the Alcohol is injurious to health and society even made of the so called pious water of the Ganga river .
I stressed on the state power describing Guru ji proclaimed that ” achhut raj bichhrut dukh paayio means all the miseries of the untouchables are due to the loss of their political power ” and Guru ji said we must unite like the bees to establish the ” Begam Pura Sahar ka nao , dukh andoh nahin tis thaon means our state of the untouchables will be free from miseries and the country will be named as BEGAM PURA ( Free from miseries ) . There will be no over burden of taxes ,no threatening s / humiliations from anyone , no one will be second and below grade , all will be equal ,
freedom to move anywhere , this country would be suitable for all !
I also stressed on that Guru ji was not against any religion / caste / varna / area / women . He initiated Guru Miran Bai a princess who found the teachings Guru ji rational and for all especially for Non Brahmins and women . I said the princess Ahalya Bai Holkar stood behind Pandas and donated huge amount from her state treasury to built Hindu temples .The ladies were so much impressed that they met me in a group to appreciate me for elaborating teachings of Guru ji .
I am to say that we must blend our forefathers teachings with our day to day activities .I joined Saheb Kanshi Ram when he said , ” We have to blend the youths and elders ! ” He let down his life to establish the democratic values at mass level that is why he turned down the offers of ministries from late Mrs. Indira Gandhi to Mr. Vajpayee PMs of India . He delivered a speech in the parliament ( Lok Sabha ) in the presence of Mr. Vajpayee ,” Mr. Vajpayee ji ! Did you not come to me with Mr. L.K. Advani and Mr. Murli Manohar Joshi ( both cabinet ministers and established staunch manuwadis ) to offer the Presidentship of India ? I turned down your offer saying that you are planning to lock me in the biggest ” kotha ” ( in rural Punjabi a house is called kotha ” of India to make my movement leaderless and passive ! ” And the same forces locked him in the hospitals and his ” official kothi ” till his death .
Saheb Kanshi Ram in a mammoth rally at Lucknow in August , 2003 declared that he is going to be PM of India in next parliamentary election in 2004 but he was abducted from Hyderabad to stop him becoming PM of India just like the manuwadis dissolved the Lok Sabha on the same day when Babu Jagjivan Ram then Dy. PM of India was going to majority of the Lok Sabha with him not with a nominated PM Mr. Charan Singh . The Lok Sabha was dissolved on the recommendation of a merely nominated PM of India ! Then late Babu Jagjivan Ram said in a prophecy ,” IS KAMBAKHAT MULAK MAIN CHAMAR KA BET KABHI PARDHAN MANTRI NAHIN BAN SAKTA means ” In this dirty country ,no son of a chamar can be the Prime Minister ! ” Saheb Kanshi Ram dared to accept this challenge .He was succeeded like Babu Jagjivan Ram but he had to laid his life to prove that the key of power lies in the Parliament NOT in the KOTHA of President of India . He sacrificed his life to concentrate the real GOAL to capture the parliament house to become the Prime Minister and the cabinet to regulate the Indian constitution drafted by Baba Saheb Ambedkar !He in an interview to the Illustrated weekly of India warned his people against the entry of manuwadis in his party and take revenge if he was finished by them “.( Please read full interview in http://www.ambedkartimes.com )
Now Mr. Lalu Parshad Yadav , president of the RJD party and cabinet minister at centre also endorsed the statement of Mr. Ram Vilas Paswan his colleague in cabinet and president of the Lok Jan Shakti Party to ” next prime minister must be a DALIT ” ! Now the real ISSUE is that the Dalit by birth or by virtue as well ! The Maharajas of British period were mostly SCs / OBCs / STs who claimed to be Rajputs . We must judge theirs rules how they treated the Dalits . The Maharaj Ranjit Singh of Punjab was a SANSI ( SC nomadic tribe ) but his rule was anti Dalits and his cabinet was full of manuwadi ministers ( a Mishra of U.P.and Dogras of Jammu ) who betrayed his army after his death and joined hands with the Britishers in the Anglo Sikh wars ! The four Queens and seven lady servants were burnt alive with his dead body !
I am also in fervor of the success of democracy in which lies our salvation and the future of India . Thank you again for arising a new burning topic on which ” The tehlka ” English weekly also issued special latest issue .
hh said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
YOU CAN ASK FROM THE HOME MINISTRY , PUNJAB GOVERNMENT !
I HAVE NO RECORD . I JUST READ THE NEWS IN THE LOCAL NEWS PAPERS !!
THERE WAS A PLOTTED ROAD ACCIDENT OF ME IN WHICH MY TWO LIEUTENANTS KILLED AND THREE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY INCLUDING MYSELF ADMITTED FOR THREE WEEKS IN HOSPITAL . I HAVE NOT RECORD . I DO NOT BOTHER FOR THESE RECORDS . THIS IS THE DUTY OF DALIT HISTORIANS !
YOU PLEASE READ RECORDS ABOUT YOUR EVIL GODS !
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Ok. Then give proof of your personal identity. Or accept that you have lied about hindu scriptures.
C. l . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
HAVE YOU ANY COMMON SENSE ? YOU ARE WASTING TIME ON MY IDENTITY .YOU CLAIMED TO KNOW MY ADDRESS , EMAIL ADDRESS MANY TIMES , THEN WHY ARE YOU WASTING THE PRECIOUS TIME OF OUR ESTEEMED VIEWERS ? YOU SAID OTHERS LIAR , MAD AND BAD BUT I THINK YOU HAVE NOT LEARNT FROM YOUR MOM AND DAD NOT TO BEHAVE BAD WITH OTHERS !
hh said
February 10, 2009 @ 1:13 pm
Ok. Then give proof of your personal identity. Or accept that you have lied about hindu scriptures.
hh said
Chumber,
Provide your PAN number and Voter card id.
And if that is not enough, I will ask you to provide more details to establish your identity.
Anyone can write anything on any blog in anyone’s name. To establish personal identity is not easy. Plus you are a pathological liar. To top it, you are considered mad. A madman’s words are not accepted anywhere.
You do not need to bother about any ‘esteemed viewers’. Even if a politician speaks in his toilet, he thinks the whole world is listening to him.
Raghav said
It can’t get funnier than this………
hh said
Chumber,
This is what you are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt856_nRxQk brain-dead noise and nonsense
You are more cowardly than a group of youngsters. Shame on you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
YOU ARE NAUGHTY AND MISCHIEVOUS CHAP MENTALLY !!!!!
NO ONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON ANY BLOG IN THE NAME OF ANYONE !!!!!
IF ANYONE FOUND , HE MUST BE ARRESTED AND PUT BEHIND BARS !!!!!
PLEASE CONSULT YOUR ADVOCATE EVEN YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS !!!!!
THERE IS THE ” INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ACT” ( NAME MAY DIFFER )UNDER WHICH A COPY WRITER MAY ALSO BE BUT BEHIND BARS !!!!!
YOU ARE NAUGHTY AND MISCHIEVOUS CHAP MENTALLY !!!!!
hh said
February 12, 2009 @ 2:49 am
Chumber,
Anyone can write anything on any blog in anyone’s name.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. RAGHAV ! PLEASE READ ABOUT RAGHAV / RAM WHO BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE MATA SITA !!!!!
Raghav said
February 13, 2009 @ 10:56 am
It can’t get funnier than this………
hh said
…” INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ACT” …
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Chumber,
Thanks for bringing back the uproarious laughter…man you talk about intellectual property… 😀
Total loose looony case man.
Bye-Bye Mr.Pagal.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I NEVER SING OR RECODED ANY CASSETE / VCD / DVD !
YOU ARE NAUGHTY AND MISCHIEVOUS CHAP MENTALLY !!!!!
hh said
February 14, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
Chumber,
This is what you are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt856_nRxQk brain-dead noise and nonsense
You are more cowardly than a group of youngsters. Shame on you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Mr. Happy Hindu !
YOU ARE MORE COWARDLY THAN A GROUP OF ‘ MANUWADI ‘ SHAMELESS AND STANDLESS YOUNGSTERS !!!!!
I visited the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt856_nRxQk and did not find
my ‘ brain-dead noise and nonsense ‘casette / vcd .I replied ‘ C . L . CHUMBER said ,February 16, 2009 @ 12:26 pm’ and refuted your statement.
But you did not reacted .Why ? I repeat for you ,” You are more cowardly than a group of youngsters. Shame on you..”
hh said
February 14, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
Chumber,
This is what you are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt856_nRxQk brain-dead noise and nonsense
You are more cowardly than a group of youngsters. Shame on you
C . L . CHUMBER said
WE WILL COUNTER THE STATE TERRORISM WITH TERRORISM .THERE IS NO BIGGER TERRORIST THAN US ! – SHAID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM .
MR.HAPPY HINDU !
YES . I HAVE NO RECORD OF THAT,BECAUSE I DAM CARED FOR THAT CASE !
IT WAS JUST TO DEMORELIZE ME BY THE MANUWADIS THROUGH GOVT !!
ON 7TH APRIL , 1987 , SAHIB KANSHI RAM SAID IN A PUNJAB STATE RALLY AT THE PRADE GROUND , CHANDIGARH IN REACTION TO THE HARIDWAR BY ELECTION BOOTH CAPTURING WHERE Ms MAYAWATI STOOD RUNNER UP,” WE WILL COUNTER THE STATE TERRORISM WITH TERRORISM .THERE IS NO BIGGER TERRORIST THAN US ! ”
I PUBLISHED THE APRIL , 1987 ISSUE OF OUR MAGAZINE IN ENGLISH ,HINDI AND PUNJABI TO HIGHLIGHT HIS VIEWS TO WEAKEN THE ANTI-DEMOCRACY FORCES ! I PUBLISHED THE PHOTOS OF SANT BHINDRAWALE AND SAHIB KANSHI RAM WITH AN ARTICLE ‘ KANSHI RAM BHINDRAWALE BANANE PAR MAZBOOR – KANSHI RAM COMPELLED TO BE BHINDRAWALE ‘ IN HINDI SECTION AND RELEASED AN ADVERTIZEMENT IN A WIDE CIRCULATED PUNJABI DAILY ‘THE JAG BANI ‘ . OUR MAGAZIN WAS THE FIRST EVER WITH FOUR COLOURS TITLE COVER AND SOLD ON THE BOOK STALLS .THE BOTH CIRCLES OF BHINDRAWALE AND KANSHI RAM PURCHASED WITH CURIOSITY AND I WAS ASTONISHED TO READ THE NEWS PAPERS THAT PROMINENT SIKH ORGANIZATIONS CONDEMNED THE BOOTH CAPTURING AND COMMITTED TO BE WITH SAHIB KANSHI RAM WHICH RESULTED IN PRODUCING FIRST M.P. MR.HARBHAJAN LAKHA FROM PHILLARE ( R ) , 9 MLAs IN PUNJAB ASSEMBLY ELECTION 1992 AND THE BSP -SAD ( BADAL ) ALLIANCE WON 11 OUT OF 13 SEATS IN 1996 LOK SABHA ELECTION ! SAHIB KANSHI RAM WON FROM HOSHIAR PUR ( GENERAL ) SEAT AND TWO OTHERS FROM PHILLAURE ( R ) AND FEROZEPUR ( GENERAL ) !
I TAKE THE REVENGE FROM THE RIVALS TO DESTABILIZE THEM POLITICALLY !
THIS TADA CASE ON ME HAVE BEEN / WILL BE RECORDED IN THE HISTORY HOW THE ANTI-CONSTITUTION FORCES MISUSED THE GOVERNMENT MACHINERY !
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOUR GODS AND KALI MATA
ARE BLOODY WHO ARE RACISTS AND FASCISTS AND YOU ARE THE Bloody exploiter OF THESE EVIL GODS .THEREFORE you yourself know what a mad liar you are.. Shame on you. Bloody exploiter.!!!!!
hh said
February 14, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
Funny Chumber, how come you did not keep any record?
You consider yourself so great, but you are scared to face a motley group of have-nothings…you yourself know what a mad liar you are.. Shame on you. Bloody exploiter.
adarsh said
Hi everyone,
i read all the comments and it looks like the original article spawned an entire set of discussions at the end of which bears no resemblance to what started it all. Imagine if you apply the same principle to life itself. a set of actions down the line will bear no resemblance to what started things. In other words the concept or the core of any faith is always pure but gets completely diluted and atrophied as times passes on.
I dont believe in religion as a cure for anything except individual spiritual recognition. a religion which claims to provide peace for everyone is lying. a religion that promises equality for one and all is false. this applies to all religions.
If we give the credit of developing the entire caste system and all other intricate community control mechanisms in such a richly fabricated society like India to one set of people called brahmins, then we are doing them a big favor. brahmins are not geniuses or imperialistic enough to evolve a formula that lives for 1000s of years. I for one refuse to give them that much credit because i think that brahmins are not that intelligent nor are they shrewd at managing people. they have their petty likes/dislikes and prefer to remain in control of what they do but they are not rulers and they will never be rulers. they are just not capable. they are however adept at knowing which side of their bread is buttered.
the caste system evolved out of necessity and then later on deteriorated into mediocrity because of the typical human thirst for material success. However such a vast system could be kept in limbo for that many years only due to all sections of society. a small group of people holding the entire population at bay to their designs without any help from anyone else seems completely impractical.
but you are right in saying that caste system of identification has to be stopped by the government. any upliftment henceforth should only be on the basis of economic need. surely someone who has money need not be uplifted socially? they may need to be enlightened in terms of education and in today’s world quality education can be purchased. i sympathize with the poor for they have no way of rising up with or without discrimination. their status will not change whether they are dalits or brahmins. they will remain poor and exploited. we should all change that but as we all know that is the more difficult problem.
regards
C.L.CHUMBER said
Mr. Happy Hindu !
The habitual abuser , blamer and anti-constitutional ( who discarded the Supreme Court judgment on ‘ IDIOT ‘ issue !) can not understand the value of the ” INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ACT” . You even said ,”Chumber,
Anyone can write anything on any blog in anyone’s name.( “hh said,February 12, 2009 @ 2:49 am ( https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/) .I replied ,” NO ONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON ANY BLOG IN THE NAME OF ANYONE !!!!!
IF ANYONE FOUND , HE MUST BE ARRESTED AND PUT BEHIND BARS !!!!! ” You made fun of it . It is an established fact that ” You are total loose loony case man.Bye-Bye Mr.Pagal and leave this dialogue .”
hh said
February 16, 2009 @ 9:51 am
…” INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ACT” …
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Chumber,
Thanks for bringing back the uproarious laughter…man you talk about intellectual property… 😀
Total loose looony case man.
Bye-Bye Mr.Pagal.
P. K. Shetty said
I am a bunt, born and brought up in mangalore-udupi region. Outrightly I can say that this Author is an idiot. In this article, he not only showed his lack in knowledge, but also, he has ridiculed the community. Bunts are the most powerful community in coastal Karnataka and respected community in the state. Most of them are economically sound and known for their profession. They are in to medicine, Law, Business and what not. This article is figment of his imagination and far from truth. Even the poorest bunt will disagree with this article. By aligning himself with the Great Babasaheb, this author is ridiculing himself. First of all we must know whether this guy does anything good for the society or his only job is to spread the venom in the society.
Mn said
Dear Mr. Shetty,
Request you to please read my earlier comment.
This article is not any figment of imagination or written out of stupidity. These people always write such articles knowing the facts and truth but twist them out of shape and present it to intentionally create enmity between Dalits and others. Later by ago I had even collected some issues of their magazines for someone else but I couldn’t read even half a page of a magazine because I felt like vomiting. In my comment I had written that my maternal grandfather was a neighbours if Aishwarya’s father’s house where now his s brother Navinkumar Rai lives. These people me wrote such silly but horrendous things because I think their brains’ neurons systems seem to be twisted totally. (May be that is why they may remain as they are now forever).
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. P.K.SHETTY !
PLEASE HAVE PATIENCE AND SUBMIT YOUR VIEWS IN DETAILS SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY UNDERSTAND YOU AND YOUR VIEWS ! YOU GAVE YOUR JUDGEMENT ‘Outrightly I can say that this Author is an idiot.’IN THE BEGINNING !
P. K. Shetty said
February 19, 2009 @ 3:56 am
I am a bunt, born and brought up in mangalore-udupi region. Outrightly I can say that this Author is an idiot.
Raaja said
Namaste Mr. PK Shetty and all dignified commenters here,
This article is a stooges rant and you cannot put sense into the author because the author has vested interests in crapping around this way – Author is a severely constipated person trying to shit all over the net for money. So, don’t bother about this person that has no dignity for oneself – a sold out soul.
And plenty of others too wasting time reading this crap and trying to correct a sold soul via comments.
Quote from one of the comments above – “Bhagwat Gita was also written in the time when Jainism and Buddhism were far more widespread than the vedic religion.”
Well Well – huh – Accidentally landed to this post – will never ever be back again.
Google this and read it – PROUD TO BE HINDU , PROUD TO BE INDIAN– CAPT AJIT VADAKAYIL
@will this comment be published – it is against your interests@
Tanisha said
umm….. why all this spliting and dividing…….
shouldnt you just be able to love who you want???
this is how wars start i think… just my opinion…. its sad reading all this i belong to this and he belongs to that and we shouldnt or they shouldnt… its a title given it isnt the persons brains or thought we are all put here as humans one big human race we were ment to mix not to be divided which is evedent cause dividing caused wars!! this is my opinion…. if you dont agree i respect that … but this is my view on this whole world of hate!
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF THEY REVIVE MANUWADI KING RAM OF AYODYA , WE WILL REVIVE VALMIKI , SHAMBUK AND SITA TO EXPOSE HIM AND HIS PRESENT( ADVANIS , RSS AND ITS OFFSHOOTS) FOLLOWERS !!!!!
DO YOU WANT TO BE CRUSHED OR ” LIVE AND LET LIVE ” ?
Tanisha said
February 21, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
umm….. why all this spliting and dividing…….
shouldnt you just be able to love who you want???
MY ANSWER IS :- WHO IS DIVIDING AND TO WHOM ? WHO IS SPLITTING AND ON WHOM ? WHAT IS LOVE AND HATE ? IF A SUFFERER CRY FOR HELP , THEN IT IS NOT SPLITTING AND DIVIDING ! WE NEITHER SPLIT ON OTHERS NOR DIVIDE OTHERS ! THE MANUWADIS DIVIDED THE HUMANITY IN FOUR VARNAS AND NEAR ABOUT 65000 CASTES ! WE ARE UNITING TO GET HUMAN RIGHTS ! WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF ANY ONE OR CLASS !
(2) this is how wars start i think… just my opinion…. its sad reading all this i belong to this and he belongs to that and we shouldnt or they shouldnt… its a title given it isnt the persons brains or thought we are all put here as humans one big human race we were ment to mix not to be divided which is evedent cause dividing caused wars!! this is my opinion….
MY ANSWER IS : – AT LEAST ,NEITHER WE ARE VIOLENCE LOVERS NOR OUR FOREFATHERS WERE ! WE ARE EXPRESSING OUR VIEWS BUT THEY ARE ABUSING , BLAMING AND EVEN SAY ,” OUR LAXMAN WILL RAPE THE MOTHER , SISTER OF CHUMBER . AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND FATHER OF CHUMBER WERE RAPISTS .” THEY WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS !WE ARE AGAINST THESE EVILS .THIS IS A WAR BETWEEN THE PRO-EVILS AND ANTI-EVILS !YOU SAID ,” – – we are all put here as humans one big human race we were ment to mix not to be divided which is evedent cause dividing caused wars!! ” I REPEAT MY STAND ,” THE MANUWADIS DIVIDED THE HUMANITY IN FOUR VARNAS AND NEAR ABOUT 65000 CASTES ! WE ARE UNITING TO GET HUMAN RIGHTS ! WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF ANY ONE OR CLASS !”
(3) if you dont agree i respect that … but this is my view on this whole world of hate!
MY ANSWER IS :- WE AND OUR FOREFATHERS RESPECT THEM BUT THEY CRUSHED OR WANT TO CRUSH US BY MANUWADI SYSTEM .DO YOU WANT TO BE CRUSHED OR ” LIVE AND LET LIVE ” ?
C . L CHUMBER said
ALL DALITS ARE NOT VIOLENT BUT ALL HINDUS WORSHIP FASCIST GODS !!!!!
hh said
February 25, 2009 @ 8:48 am
All dalits are not violent like you. Unlike you, they are human.
C .L . CHUMBER said
Please read
In Maharashtra SHIV SENA alliance partner of BJP is going to seat sharing with National Congress Party of alliance partner with Congress at center !( C .L . CHUMBER said ,February 28, 2009 @ 11:32 am ) .
h said
ALL DALITS ARE NOT VIOLENT BUT ALL HINDUS WORSHIP FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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Are you the spokesperson for Kureela@Kumarpushp? You do not need to interefer and talk on his behalf.
Even the economically downtrodden (of all 3 religions, hindu, muslim and christian) do not want to associate themselves with cheapskate politicians like you. You barking changes nothing, it only makes unity stonger among those who want it.
Good to see you have dropped rapist and racist from your original sentence.
What do you mean by fascist? Define it, then you will understand that your Rajshekhar is a fascist.
C . L . CHUMBER said
If we can not get justice from the courts established by the constitution , then where should go a person like me ?
The government agencies always do atrocities on the masses especially on social workers . I have my personal experiences . I have to left my Tehsil Welfare Officer post .The government imposed TADA like ACT on me to crush my voice as journalist . The government agencies and my opponents made my accident in which my two fiends died and myself , my wife , my son and three other persons injured seriously .The police did not record our statement and attached fake statements in the court .
The police in my statement recorded my name as Chuni Lal Chumber when my name is Charanji Lal Chumber @ Chiranjeev Lal Chumber . My address was not recorded proper . In my wife statement , address and my name was wrongly written .She do government job but in fake police statement , she was recorded as house wife ! Did she not know these facts . In my son statement , name of his father , address written wrongly . He was recorded a student of tenth class when he was a student of 5th class .
Our Advocates were allured by the government agencies and opponents as I have named 15 persons including an M.P. , two MLAs , one advocate , proprietor of a Punjabi news paper group who is a former M.P.( Rajya Sabha ) , a councilor as conspirators in the court !
If we can not get justice from the courts established by the constitution , then where should go a person like me ? Recently India , Pakistan and Bangla Desh blamed each others for their internal unrests ! The society also did not give justice . I guarantee you that the country and society , which do not give us justice , will soon be slave of any foreign country and this country and society will be sufferer of injustice like us ! This is our curse !!!!!
VS said
Interesting exchange here. It exemplifies the shrill elite OBC appropriation of the Dalit cause, which cleverly silences the fact that some of the most direct, physical and fascist oppression of Dalits today is perpetrated by people belonging to the landowning and politically empowered OBC caste groups. (I am not speaking here of artisanal and landless OBC groups – their experience is much closer to the Dalit experience). True Dalit activists and intellectuals speak very differently from the privileged OBC appropriators of their cause. Dalit intellectuals like Dr Gopal Guru and Dr Anand Teltumbde write at a much more intelligent, thoughtful and solution-oriented level. This is because they actually care about Dalit issues and understand much more clearly what being Dalit today is all about. OBC appropriators like V. T. Rajashekhar and Kancha Ilaiah and their followers, do not have that understanding because they come from privileged, landowning, politically powerful communities and have simply not faced the kind of exclusion that Dalits have. It is the undercurrent of dishonest appropriation that makes them debate like shrill fundamentalist automatons immune to logic. When your understanding actually rests on something real – as in the case of say, Dr Anand Teltumbde and Dr Gopal Guru and Chadra Bhan Prasad – you speak with intelligence and thoughtfulness, because you know what you are talking about and are interested in presenting a point of view that will make a difference, rather than in just kicking up a lot of dust.
Unfortunately, very real and grave kinds of discrimination against Dalits are trivialized and silenced by the shallow but loud rhetoric of the V. T. Rajasekhar crew, which seems more interested in issues like ‘buffalo better or cow?’ and in unearthing Brahmin beauty-contest conspiracies.
hh said
If we can not get justice from the courts established by the constitution , then where should go a person like me ?
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Chumber,
Do you think by vandalizing hindu scriptures your situation will get improved?
By targetting brahmins, will you get an election platform?
Almost every single politician till date (evr, ambedkar, you name it) only ensured his own political survival.
Change from within is what we all need.
If you truly want to follow the path of the vedas, nobody can stop you. You can seek a teacher and start living life like a brahmin anytime you choose to (by the time it comes to the time of your greatgrand children, they will come to be known as brahmins). This has nothing to do with social position.
If you truly want to follow the path of progress, forget religion. Make politics out of who can offer more transparency, development, employment and better living conditions. This is what social position is all about.
Propagate the idea that people must never vote for caste / religion but must vote for the one that offers progress.
Get people to question expenditure at the zilla parishad level; and ask to see how much has been spent on better roads, water supply, more schools, better transport, etc. And if the job is not well done (if money is embezzeled), then exercise your right to file a PIL to change the contractors / people involved….Ensure by propaganda that politician, lawyers and gazetted officers are public servants and should be answerable to anybody who questions their sources of income anytime.
You can surely create civil vigilance and political watchout groups.
People need money not caste to make a life. Why don’t you start by writing about this in Ambedkar Times?
When you go on tours next time, hope you will not misguide the economically poor on caste / religion, but ensure that they get their due rights. There is always a new beginning.
Thank You Chumber.
Madhusudhan said
Who is this perverted low grade moron, wrote some useless stuff on casteism?
Mayavati is looting crores from public for her birthday celebrations and wooing the brahmin community and begging votes from them. Do you want a corrupt and selfcentered leader like Mayavati as the PM of this country????
Neither Mayavati nor Advani nor Sonia nor Manmohan Singh are suitable PM candidates.
sowmitha said
Dalits should study well and come up in life. All dalits should unite.
Dalits should refrain from being deceived by calling themselves hindus. That is what RSS is plotting to do.
Many Mayavati’s should arise. All the upper caste land lords should give up lands which do not belong to them. All threatening by upper caste groups like Ranvir sena should end.
Dalits should rise up in literacy so they can demand their rights.
The upper castes create a fight in the name of “anti-conversion” to cover up their attempts to keep the dalits supressed economically and educationally.
The real problem is not “conversion” but the economic and educational suppression of the dalits.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Madhusudhan said
March 14, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
Who is this perverted low grade moron, wrote some useless stuff on casteism?
MY ANSWER IS : Are you high grade moron who want to annihilate the casteism ?
(2)Mayavati is looting crores from public for her birthday celebrations and wooing the brahmin community and begging votes from them. Do you want a corrupt and selfcentered leader like Mayavati as the PM of this country????
MY ANSWER IS :Mayawati is now part and parcel of the Manuwadi culture . That is why she is favourite in the Brahmins ! The Reliance company sold one lac share to late Mr. Parmod Mahajan of BJP @Rs.One and purchased the same srom Mr. Mahajan at the market rate ! Was Mr. Mahajan not corrupt ? Was this action of the M/S Reliance not fraud ? Thw BJP prime ministerial candidate Mr. Advani and many others of other parties except BSP were culprits in the Jain Hawala scandal and ERAZING Babari Mosque !Late Mr. Harshad Mehta claimed that he gave Rs. One Crore as bribe to Mr. PV Narsimha Rao , a Brahmin PM of India .
(4 )Neither Mayavati nor Advani nor Sonia nor Manmohan Singh are suitable PM candidates.
MY ANSWER IS : Then who is suitable ?
C.L.CHUMBER said
I visited the Gujarat state from 9th March to 18th March , 2009 and there are some details :
You will be shocked that I lost my note book regarding the tour of DEO where there is Jalandhar Beach and the religious monument of Adi Bhagwan Jalandhar which I discovered which are not shown even in the official website of the DEO administration ! .But it is satisfactory that I wrote notes on our Guru Ravidas Kund in district Juna Garh tour on separate note book and we have a video graphy of our entire tour of GUJARAT .We are in need of the video film of the marriage of Mr. Rajinder Manvar brother of Mr. Kanishk Manvar @ Suresh Manvar which we attended in district Rajkot Gujarat to complete the Gujarat tour . This CD is my idea to bring the Punjabi and Gujarati people nearer to each others .We went where the illiterate people do not understand even the national language Hindi .I started learning Gujarati and a young man Mr. Nilesh Manvar of Rajkot city gifted me English to Gujarati and Gujarati to English dictionaries .Some Gujarati words are familiar in Punjabi .
The Gujarati people are very co-operative nature and regards the guests very well .We took tea in plates .They do not offer tea in cups and no biscuits or any other item with tea. They do not serve tea second time .If any one serve biscuits with tea , they mind and feel treated as a child !
The area where we visited is called Saurashtra of Six districts which has a different culture from remaining Gujarat state . In this area all castes marry the children of sisters and brothers ! We convinced them to beware of this custom and highlighted about our marriage customs and gotra system . They liked our marriage system !
The youths urged us to join their marriages but we promised that we attend only one marriage in a district of Gujarat as we have not so much spare time and budget .We promised that we will invite them in marriages in Punjab to understand the Punjabi Adi Dharamis and visit the Punjab historical places .I think my this idea will revolutionize our society and will bring them nearer to each others !
hh said
MY ANSWER IS : Then who is suitable ?
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Chumber,
All of you current politicians should be thrown into the gutter and flushed away permanently.
There are many gems who can turn sick companies around. Nominate such people to turn the country around.
Even a college student with patriotic zeal backed by able economists will do. Certainly not you trash cans.
C . L . CHUMBER said
hh said
March 14, 2009 @ 3:40 am
If we can not get justice from the courts established by the constitution , then where should go a person like me ?
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Chumber,
Do you think by vandalizing hindu scriptures your situation will get improved?
By targetting brahmins, will you get an election platform?
MY ANSWER IS : You did not understand my pains due to the filthy judicial and social systems ! If I want to play the politics , you will see me on the front pages of the news papers !
( 2 ) Almost every single politician till date (evr, ambedkar, you name it) only ensured his own political survival.
MY ANSWER IS : The manuwadi social system is sustained by a manuwadi political system and can be ended by the substitute political system !
( 3 ) Change from within is what we all need.
MY ANSWER IS : No change is permanent until the manuwadi social system is not illiminated !
( 4 ) If you truly want to follow the path of the vedas, nobody can stop you. You can seek a teacher and start living life like a brahmin anytime you choose to (by the time it comes to the time of your greatgrand children, they will come to be known as brahmins). This has nothing to do with social position.
MY ANSWER IS : We hate Vedas and Vaidik people as the Vedas are the Gangotari and Yamnotri of all the Indian problems ! The Brahmin word and Brahmin world are part and parcel of the filthy Brahmand ! Time is comming when Brahmin word and Brahmin world will be neutralized automatically .
( 5 ) If you truly want to follow the path of progress, forget religion. Make politics out of who can offer more transparency, development, employment and better living conditions. This is what social position is all about.
MY ANSWER IS : Practice what you preach ! Why are you advusing me to be Brahmin and follow the path of Vedas and at the same time you are advising to forget religion ? Have you sound mind ?
( 6 ) Propagate the idea that people must never vote for caste / religion but must vote for the one that offers progress.
MY ANSWER IS : Do you think that you are are my friend who always abuse , blame and describe me terrorist ?
( 7 ) Get people to question expenditure at the zilla parishad level; and ask to see how much has been spent on better roads, water supply, more schools, better transport, etc. And if the job is not well done (if money is embezzeled), then exercise your right to file a PIL to change the contractors / people involved….Ensure by propaganda that politician, lawyers and gazetted officers are public servants and should be answerable to anybody who questions their sources of income anytime.
MY ANSWER IS : When I wrote against the corrupt Judges , you people opposed me ! Why ? We are already fighting against the corrupt world since thirty years ago leaving the government officer job ! What you did in practicle ?
( 8 ) You can surely create civil vigilance and political watchout groups.
People need money not caste to make a life. Why don’t you start by writing about this in Ambedkar Times?
MY ANSWER IS ; WE ARE ALREADY LEADING A MOVEMENT FOR SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION AND ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION !
( 9 ) When you go on tours next time, hope you will not misguide the economically poor on caste / religion, but ensure that they get their due rights. There is always a new beginning. .Thank You Chumber.
MY ANSWER IS : I never misguide anyone .You misguide people to worship the rapist , racist and fascist Gods who snatched the rights and dignity of the aboriginal Indians !!!!!.
C.L.CHUMBER said
sowmitha said
March 22, 2009 @ 8:17 am
Dalits should study well and come up in life. All dalits should unite.
MY ANSWER IS : THIS IS GOOD.EVERY PERSON IN UNIVERSE MUST GET HIGHEST STUDY TO KEEP THE HIGHEST POSTS .MY FATHER WAS M.A ( ECO.) AND DIPLOMA IN RUSSIAN 50 YEARS AGO AND HIS ELDER BROTHER IS B.A.(HONS ) , B.T.( B.ED. NOW ) , M.B.A. WHO RETIRED AS DEPUTY SECRETARY UNION PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION .HIS DAUGHTERS ARE POST GRADUATES 45 YEARS AGO .ONE SON OF HIS DAUGHTER IS COMMERCIAL PILOT TRAINED FROM USA .HIS ONE GRANDSON IS STUDYING POST GRADUATE IN AUSTRALIA .MY ONE SISTER`S SON IS ALSO STUDYING IN AUSTRALIA AND DAUGHTER DOING MBBS IN INDIA ..MY SISTERS ARE ALSO DOUBLE POST GRADUATES .
OUR FATHER AND HIS ELDER BROTHER WERE IN HEALTHY COMPETITION IN EDUCATION .ONCE OUR AUNTIE ( WIFE OF MY FATHER`S ELDER BROTHER ) SAID IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR RELATIVES TO MY REVERED FATHER ,” KIDDA MAGISTRATE BANANA HAI JO PADHNO NAHIN HATDA MEANS YOU WANT TO BE A MAGISTRATE , THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT STOP TO STUDY .” MY FATHER REPLIED ,” IF I AM NOT MAGISTRATE YET , MY ELDER BROTHER IS THE MAGISTRATE .” HIS ELDER BROTHER WAS SUB DIVISIONAL MAGISTRATE AT RAE BREILY ( U.P.) AT THAT TIME ! I EMBRACED MY FATHER AS HE REPLIED VERY RATIONALY AND GENTLY . NEXT YEAR MY FATHER DIED BUT I PAID OBESANCE TO HIM BY STANDIND FIRST IN THE DISTRICT BY SECURING 89% MARKS .
I WAS SELECTED TEHSIL WELFARE OFFICER IN PUNJAB GOVERNMENT UNDER 18 .MY ELDER DAUGHTER IS BBA,MBA ( U.K.) AND YOUNGER IS BSc ( HONS ) SOFTWARE ENGINEERING ( LONDON ) AND DOING MBA . BOTH ARE MANAGERS IN MNCs .MY SON DID FOUR YEAR BACHELOR IN MULTIMEDIA ( ELECTRONIC MEDIA , PRINT MEDIA AND ANIMATION ) BY GETTING 83% MARKS AND 98% MARKS IN 8TH SEMESTER .HE IS DOING MBA AND IS ANIMATOR .I HAVE PLEDGED MY HOUSE FOR MY CHILDREN`S HIGHER STUDY LOAN . MY FATHER IS STILL ALIVE AND HIS FAMILY IS IN HEALTHY COMPETITION WITH HIS ELDER BROTHER .WE ARE PROUD OF OUR GRANDFATHER BAPU DHANNA RAM CHUMBER JI AND OUR REVERED GRAND MOTHER MAAN ( MOTHER ) JASSI JI WHO STRUGGLED HARD TO PRODUCE TWO SONS WELL EDUCATED IN THOSE TIMES !
WE HAVE A HOBBY TO ENCOURAGE THE EDUCATED YOUTHS .THAT IS WHY I WITH MY WIFE , YOUNGER SON AND A PUNJABI SINGER ATTENDED THE MARRIAGE OF A WELL EDUCATED DALIT YOUTH 2000 KMS AWAY IN THE GUJARAT STATE TO WHOM I NEVER MET . I KNOW HIS BROTHER MR. KANISHK MANVAR WHO DID M.E. IN THAT BACKWARD RURAL AREA .
MR./MISS/MRS SOWAMITHA RIGHTLY SAID AGAIN ,” All dalits should unite.” THERE IS NO PROGRESS UNLESS UNITY !
( 2 ) Dalits should refrain from being deceived by calling themselves hindus. That is what RSS is plotting to do.
MY ANSWER IS : THIS IS THE RIGHT ADVICE ! IN PUNJAB , FORMER GADHRITE BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA FOUNDED THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL ON 11-12 JUNE , 1926 .HE ASKED HIS FOLLOWERS THAT THEY ARE NEITHER HINDU NOR SIKH NOR MUSLIM OR NANY OTHER RELIGION EXCEPT AD-DHARAMI .THE AD DHARAM WAS REGISTERED AS A RELIGION IN THE CENSUS 1931 AND MORE THAN 5 LACS RECORDED THEMSELVES AS AD-DHARAMIS ! THERE WERE ADI-DRAVIDA , ADI-ANDHRA , ADI-HINDU ,ADI-KARNATKA AND NAMO-SHUDRA LIKE DALIT MOVEMENTS WHICH REFUTED HINDU GODS AND HINDUISM .THESE MOVEMENTS PLAYED VITAL ROLE IN THE UPLIFTMENT OF THE DALITS . SAHEB KANSHI RAM ALSO FOLLOWED THE ADI-ISM BY INCLUDING THE ABORIGINALS CONVERTED TO ANY RELIGION .
DURING THE THREE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES ( 1930-32 )
AT LONDON , DR. AMBEDKAR AND RAO BAHADUR SRINIVASIN PUT THE CASE THAT DALITS ARE NEITHER HINDUS NOR BELONG TO ISLAM , SIKHISM , CHRISTIANITY , BUDDHISM , JAINISN . THEY ARE SEPARATE ELEMENT .DR. BABA SAHB AMBEDKAR IN HIS BOOK ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ? ‘ WROTE A CHAPTER ‘ ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLES A SEPARATE ELEMENT ? ‘( READ THIS ARTICLE AT : http://www.ambedkartimes.com/about_ambedkar.htm ) .MR. GANDHI / CONGRESS AND RSS / BJP ARE THE TWO SIDES OF A MANUWADI COIN ! THE RSS / BJP IS A POISON AND THE GANDHISM / CONGRESS ARE SLOW POISON
.THE DALITS MUST BEWARE OF THEM !
( 3 ) Many Mayavati’s should arise. All the upper caste land lords should give up lands which do not belong to them. All threatening by upper caste groups like Ranvir sena should end.
MY ANSWER IS : VERY GOOD . IF MAYAWATI DID NOT DECEIVE SAHEB KANSHI RAM , DALITS WOULD HAVE BEEN RULERS SINCE LOK SABHA ELECTION 2004 .MAYAWATI IS A BHAVIKHAN / SUGRIV / PREHLAD ! THE RANVIR SENA IS NEGLIGIBLE.THE BRAHMINISM AND THE INTERNATIONAL CAPITALISM TWO SENAS KILLED SAHEB KANSHI RAM .THIS WAR WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE TRUE FOLLOWER OF SAHEB KANSHI RAM CAPTURE INDIA FOR THE UPLIFTMENT OF ALL INDIANS ESPECIALLY THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !
( 4 ) Dalits should rise up in literacy so they can demand their rights.
MY ANSWER IS : GOOD .THE ILLITERATE CAN DEMAND OR FULFILL THEIR DEMANDS BY VOTING RIGHTLY !
( 5 ) The upper castes create a fight in the name of “anti-conversion” to cover up their attempts to keep the dalits supressed economically and educationally.
MY ANSWER IS : SAHEB KANSHI RAM`S MOVEMENT IS FOR THE SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION AND ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION .THE EDUCATED PERSON CAN ACHIEVE GOALS EASILY .
( 6 ) The real problem is not “conversion” but the economic and educational suppression of the dalits.
MY ANSWER IS : THE REAL PROBLEM IS TO GET RID OF THE MANUWADI SYSTEM !
C . L . CHUMBER said
C.L.CHUMBER IS CONTESTING JALANDHAR(R) LOK SABHA SEAT AS BAHUJAN VIKAS PARTY CANDIDATE !
Mr. C .L .Chumber is contesingt the Jalandhar parliamentary constituency ( R ) in Punjab state on the Bahujan Vikas Party ticket .This party is formed by formerely the Saheb Kanshi Ram Bachaao Sangarsh Committee leaders of which Mr. Chumber was national general secretary and spokesman .Mr. Chumber is the national general secretary and spokesman of this party .The party also declared candidates from Ludhiana , Anandpur Saheb , Fatehgarh Saheb , Patiala and Bathinda seats in a press conference at Jalandhar . The Bahujan Vikas Party organised rally on Saheb Kanshi Ram`s birthday on 15th March , 2009 at the Grain Market , Mullan Pur Dakha district Ludhiana and will declare candidates on remaining seats of Punjab and other states .
Mr. Chumber ( b.2nd March , 1958 ) had a very brilliant academic career and was selected the Tehsil Welfare Officer in the Welfare Deptt.,Punjab at the the age of under 18 ! He did job at Taran Taran , Amritsar , Patti ( Taran Taran district now ) in Majha area .Due to his honesty , his services were terminated at Patti without any reason when he was a permanent employee .He threatened to go to the High Court for justice .Then he was ordered to join as Tehsil Welfare Officer at Sirhind ( Now Fatehgarh Saheb ) and he was given also additional charge of Rajpura tehsil ( district Patiala ) .He exposed the the then director of the deptt. in the press for malafide intentions . He won to bring justice to the dalits He did that job at these new stations for four months and left the job on 12th October , 1979 to fight against injustice for ever and joined the movement of Baba Muggowalia , Dr. Ambedkar and Saheb Kanshi Ram !
All well wishers of the Bahujan Samaj and followers of Saheb Kanshi Ram are requested to counter the Sarvjan Samaj theory and corrupt leadership democratically , otherwise the comming generation will not pardon us !
( CONTINUED )
C.L. CHUMBER said
hh said
March 26, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
MY ANSWER IS : Then who is suitable ?
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Chumber,
All of you current politicians should be thrown into the gutter and flushed away permanently.
MY ANSWER IS : ALL MEMBERS OF ANY CASTE , CREED , RELIGION ,REGION ARE NOT BAD. SOME BAD PEOPLE MAY BE NULLIFIED .YOUR STATEMENT IS MANUWADI STATEMENT TO DEFAME THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM .HENCE YOU ARE ANTI DEMOCRACY AND ANTT CONSTITUTION .
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE CLEANLINESS OF THE BAD ELEMENTS IN SOCIETY AND POLITICS ? I AM FIGHTING AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL ELEMENTS IN SOCIETY BUT YOU ARE NOT PRASING MY EFFORTS .YOU EVEN ABUSE , BLAME AND DISCOURAGING PEOPLE LIKE ME BOT WE ARE MARCHING FORWARD WITHOT ANY FEAR , PARTIALITY AND ALLUREMENTS !!!!! PLEASE JOIN US , OTHERWISE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL BE ” thrown into the gutter and flushed away permanently” .
( 2 ) There are many gems who can turn sick companies around. Nominate such people to turn the country around.
MY ANSWER IS : THE PASSIVE GEMS HAVE NEGLIGIBLE VALUE IN SOCIETY .THEY MUST BE ACTIVE TO CHANGE THE SOCIETY FOR WHICH THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE EVEN THEIR LIVES !!!!! THE SICK GEMS CAN NOT BE NOMINATED TO CHANGE THE BAD ENVIRONMENT .THE FITTEST WILL BE SURVIVED . FIRST OF ALL , THE SICKS MUST BE ALRIGHT !
YOU SHOULD GUIDE / FOLLOW PEOPLE LIKE ME , OTHERWISE” All of you current politicians should be thrown into the gutter and flushed away permanently !!!!!”.
( 3 ) Even a college student with patriotic zeal backed by able economists will do. Certainly not you trash cans.
MY ANSWER IS :ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE NOT GOING TO COLLEGE FOR SERIOUS STUDY . SOME GO FOR DEGREES , SOME GO FOR ROAMING AND DO LOVE AFFAIRS AND MICROSCOPIC STUDENTS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THEMSELVES AS WELL AS FOR SOCIETY ! THE MATURED ECONOMISTS LIKE DR. MANMOHAN SINGH ARE HIRED BY THE MANUWADIS AND CAPITALISTS GLOBALY !!!!! AND PEOPLE LEKE YOU ARE DECLARING US” BARKING DOGS “.
EVERY PERSON LIKE YOU CAN NOT DO THE DUTY OF ” BARKING DOG ” TO BEWARE OF THE SUSPICIOUS PERSONS !!!!!
hh said
You wrote:
MY ANSWER IS : Practice what you preach ! Why are you advusing me to be Brahmin and follow the path of Vedas and at the same time you are advising to forget religion ? Have you sound mind ?
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Nutcase,
I gave you a choice – either you follow religion or do not follow religion. If you follow religion, then its your chosen path. If you want to follow politics, then forget religion and concentrate on development. You have a faulty wiring and that’s why you always understand other peoples words wrongly.
Endpoint: Nobody will vote for anyone based on religion or caste rubbish.
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You wrote:
Due to his honesty , his services were terminated at Patti without any reason when he was a permanent employee .
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You were terminated for honesty ? Your CV reads like a case of megalomania.
Good Luck in contesting for Lok Sabha. Its great that megalomaniacs run the country.
hh said
You wrote:
MY ANSWER IS : Practice what you preach ! Why are you advusing me to be Brahmin and follow the path of Vedas and at the same time you are advising to forget religion ? Have you sound mind ?
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Nutcase,
I gave you a choice – either you follow religion or do not follow religion. If you follow religion, then its your chosen path. If you want to follow politics, then forget religion and concentrate on development. That’s what I wrote. But you have a faulty wiring and that’s why you always understand other peoples words wrongly.
Endpoint: Nobody will vote for anyone based on religion or caste rubbish.
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You wrote:
Due to his honesty , his services were terminated at Patti without any reason when he was a permanent employee .
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You were terminated for honesty ? Your CV reads like a case of megalomania.
Good Luck in contesting for Lok Sabha. Its great that loonies and megalomaniacs run the country.
By the way, you are supposed to declare your TADA details in your election affidavit. All the best.
C.L. CHUMBER said
VS said
March 11, 2009 @ 5:29 am
Interesting exchange here. It exemplifies the shrill elite OBC appropriation of the Dalit cause, which cleverly silences the fact that some of the most direct, physical and fascist oppression of Dalits today is perpetrated by people belonging to the landowning and politically empowered OBC caste groups. (I am not speaking here of artisanal and landless OBC groups – their experience is much closer to the Dalit experience).
MY COMMENTS : THIS IS NOT TRUE .BABA JYOTI RAO PHULEY WAS OBCs .IN MODERN PERIOD ,LATE MR. LALAI SINGH YADAV , ASHOK PUSTKALYA , JHINJAK DISTRICT KANPUR ( U.P.) PRODUCED VERY REVOLUTIONARY LITERATURE IN HINDI .EVEN THE SCs ARE NOT UNITED .IN UP , SAHEB KANSHI RAM AND MULAYAM SINGH YADAV ( AN OBC ) JOINED HANDS POLITICALLY AND THEY DEFEATED OTHER PARTIES .MR. YADAV WAS CM OF U.P.BUT THE RSS/BJP/CONGRESS DID NOT LIKED THIS .ON 30TH MAY , 1995 , MR. VAJPAYEE , MR. ADVANI AND MS MAYAWATI MET IN CHENNAI IN A MARRIAGE AND BJP LEADERS ALLURED HER FOR CM POST WHICH BROKE THE SC AND BC ( BAHUJAN ) ALLIANCE POLITICALLY .
( 2 ) True Dalit activists and intellectuals speak very differently from the privileged OBC appropriators of their cause. Dalit intellectuals like Dr Gopal Guru and Dr Anand Teltumbde write at a much more intelligent, thoughtful and solution-oriented level. This is because they actually care about Dalit issues and understand much more clearly what being Dalit today is all about. OBC appropriators like V. T. Rajashekhar and Kancha Ilaiah and their followers, do not have that understanding because they come from privileged, landowning, politically powerful communities and have simply not faced the kind of exclusion that Dalits have.
MY ANSWER IS : THE SCs INTELLECTUALS ALSO DIFFER WITH EACH OTHERS .BUT IT IS APPRECIABLE THAT OBCs INTELLECTUALS ARE DISCUSSING ISSUES OF DALITS !!!!!
( 3 ) It is the undercurrent of dishonest appropriation that makes them debate like shrill fundamentalist automatons immune to logic. When your understanding actually rests on something real – as in the case of say, Dr Anand Teltumbde and Dr Gopal Guru and Chadra Bhan Prasad – you speak with intelligence and thoughtfulness, because you know what you are talking about and are interested in presenting a point of view that will make a difference, rather than in just kicking up a lot of dust.
MY ANSWER IS : These OBCs intellectuals are not manuwadis !
( 4 ) Unfortunately, very real and grave kinds of discrimination against Dalits are trivialized and silenced by the shallow but loud rhetoric of the V. T. Rajasekhar crew, which seems more interested in issues like ‘buffalo better or cow?’ and in unearthing Brahmin beauty-contest conspiracies.
MY ANSWER IS : THE ” BUFFALO BETTER OR COW ” IS A VERY RATIONAL AND HISTORICAL DISCUSSION .DR. AMBEDKAR ALSO WROTE ” HINDUS ATE BEEF “.
C.L.CHUMBER said
hh said
March 31, 2009 @ 7:24 am
Nutcase,
( 1 ) I gave you a choice – either you follow religion or do not follow religion. If you follow religion, then its your chosen path. If you want to follow politics, then forget religion and concentrate on development. That’s what I wrote. But you have a faulty wiring and that’s why you always understand other peoples words wrongly.
Endpoint: Nobody will vote for anyone based on religion or caste rubbish
MY ANSWER IS : The religion and politics in India will go side by side .Mahatma Gandhi use the religion for his politics .If Gandhi and other politicians in past and in present wish to establish the Ram Rajya based on inequality then we will oppose this politics and religious Ram Rajya ! Ram was the stooge of the Manuwadi Brahmins who had to commit suicide along with Laxman after the suicide of Mata Sita !!!!! There is no biggest ever development than annihilation of caste / varna like filthy system ! The BJP/SAD ( Badal ) and Shiv Sena won on the religion base and the BSP / SP / RJD won on the caste base !!!!! Is it not true ?
( 2 ) You were terminated for honesty ? Your CV reads like a case of megalomania.
Good Luck in contesting for Lok Sabha. Its great that loonies and megalomaniacs run the country.
By the way, you are supposed to declare your TADA details in your election affidavit. All the best..
MY ANSWER IS :Yes , I was terminated for honesty and daring spirit ! I handed over many fictitious SCs doing MBBS and BED to the police .Then government had to pass that the Tehsil Welfare will verify the caste of SC candidates on the application form for applying PMT test which is countersigned still by the Aditional Deputy Commissioner .We established that the SC certificates issued by the SDOs ( Civil ) may not be genuine .
We still can not pass the women reservation act but I allot about one third houses to SC widows and one third to those persons whose children study in the colleges . This is on the records .Mr.Agarwal , SDO ( C ) , Patti and my District Welfare Officer were very happy and admirer of me when I told that these widows are just like mu widow mother.The SC women are the worst victim of the manuwadi system .
My CV is not complete .It is up to 12th October , 1979 when I left my job .Yes , I will give detail of TADA and other injustices to me !
Thanks for wishing me good luck for contesting election !
Jyothika Shetty said
This is one of the most unreal fact filled article that I have read. V. T. Rajshekar is not a Dalit and Bunt community is not a backward community. VTR himself belongs to the higher class Bunt community called the Vontibettu Beedu family. Having said that I am not expressing the superiority of the community but in a bid to supporting the so called backward class of the Indian society, no one has the right to project false facts of any community. Even VTR has no right to do it. He is more than welcome to support the upliftment of the Dalits (which I personally think should not be existing anymore) but no right to degrade the Bunt Community as he alone does not represent the community but there are lakhs of other community members who shall stand for and support our roots from the bottom of our heart. We are proud to be Bunts and of our rich history. No research or movement can change the roots and the facts.
C . L . CHUMBER said
EVERY ONE EXCEPT BRAHMINS IS A SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE HINDU !!!!! WHENEVER YOU DESTABILIZE THE BRAHMINS , YOU NON-BRAHMINS WILL BE EQUAL IN HINDU SOCIETY !!!!!
Jyothika Shetty said
April 8, 2009 @ 4:17 pm
NONAME said
Dude,
Dont even say that the ‘bunts’ or ‘Shettys’ are a backward caste or dalits. FYI, they are one of the richest and one of the most prosporous communities in India. If you say this to some of them, they will get your ass kicked for calling then backward. LOL
C . L . CHUMBER said
A PERSON HAVING ” NO NAME ” IS NO MORE !!!!!
EVEN A DEAD BODY HAVE A NAME , PARENTAGE AND ADDRESS !!!!!
IN PUNJABI , THERE IS A PROVERB ” MURDA BOLU TAAN KAFFAN PARHU ” MEANS WHEN A DEAD BODY SPEAKS IT WILL TORN THE COFFIN !!!!!
MR./MISS /MRS.NONAME HAVE NO COMMON SENSE HOW TO SPEAK / WRITE WITH DUE REGARDS BECAUSE OF MANUWADI BENT OF MIND AND THE BAD COMPANY OF M/S HAPPY HINDUS !!!!!
NONAME said
April 13, 2009 @ 10:18 pm
Dude chumber,
NONAME said
April 13, 2009 @ 10:35 pm
Dude,
NONAME said
Oh yeah, believe me brother I have a name, a very good name. But the problem is Assholes like you search for caste, creed and race even in one’s name. That exactly is the reason I do not want to tell you my name. If your genius brain comes to the logical(rather illogical) conclusion that I am a brahmin by my name, you will start barking that I am a manu vadi, blah, blah, blah. If your pea sized monkey brain on the other hand deduces that I am a Dalit by my name, then you will start barking that being a Dalit I am supporting the Manu-vaadi conspirators. Hindi mein ek kahavat hai, “Insaan naam mein bhi jaat doond leta hai”. You belong that category.
So, What my suggestion is if you even have the I.Q of a primary school kid, argue logicaly with me and put forth your points and I will rebuff them. You are welcome to do the same. But rather than that shouting around typing in upper case letters(capital letters) constitutes to ‘Plain Shouting’ in the internet lingua franca. Also you better start learning some basic netiquettes.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. ADVANI IS THE SLAVE OF THE RSS .- MRS SONIA GANDHI .
MRS. SONIA GANDHI PRESIDENT OF HER POCKET/ FAMILY CONGRESS PARTY SAID ,” IT IS ADVANI WHO IS SLAVE OF RSS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PROJECT HIS CHAIR . THIS IS THE REASON WHY HE PANDERS TO EACH AND EVERY WISH OF RSS !” THE RSS AND ITS OFF SHOOTS INCLUDING BJP ARE ANTI CONSTITUTION ORGANIZATIONS .THESE ORGANIZATIONS HIGHLIGHT , WORSHIP AND DEFEND THE CASTEIST BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS .THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT A RELIGIOUS PARTY CAN NOT BE A POLITICAL PARTY .IN THE RECENT MANIFESTO BJP PROMISED TO BUILD A BIG RAM TEMPLE AT THE DEMOLISHED BABURI MOSQUE .THE ELECTIO COMMISSION OF INDIA MUST BAN THE BJP AT ONCE .RAM AND BABUR WERE BOTH KINGS .BOTH ESTABLISHED THE FOREIGNERS` RULE IN INDIA ! BABUR WAS A BETTER KING THAN KING RAM .
THE CONGRESS` RASHTARPITA MR. GANDHI WAS A ADMIRER OF RAM AND HIS RAM RAJYA BASED ON THE MANU SIMIRTY ! HE DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE DALITS EQUAL TO THE ARYAN HINDUS THAT IS WHY HIS CONGRESS PARTY COMPELLED BABA SAHEB DR. AMBEDKAR TO WRITE RESERVATION FOR HINDU SCs ONLY IN THE CONSTITUTION .WHEN DR. AMBEDKAR AND RAO BAHADU SRINIVASIN DALIT REPRESENTATIVES IN THE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES, LONDON ( 1930-1932 AD ) SUCCEEDED IN RECOGNIZING THE DALITS AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT FROM THE HINDUS IN THE COMMUNAL AWARD DECLARED BY THE GOVERNMENT , MANUWADI GANDHI TOOK FAST UNTO DEATH AGAINST THE DALITS .THIS RESULTED IN THE GANDHI-AMBEDKAR PACT ( POONA PACT ) AND RAJA-MOONJE PACT .MR. M.C. RAJA WAS THEN THE DALIT LEADER OF TAMIL NADU AND DR. B.S. MOONJE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HINDU MAHA SABHA .THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZED THE AMBEDKAR – GANDHI PACT WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE POONA PACT DUE TO ITS SIGNING AT POONA .
NOW WE COME TO CONCLUSION THAT THE BJP IS THE OFFSHOOT OF THE RSS BUT BOTH RSS AND CONGRESS ARE THE OFFSHOOTS OF THE MANUWADI HINDUISM .THE BJP AND CONGRESS RULED STATES DO NOT IMPLEMENTED THE MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT , NOT CLEARED THE BACKLOG OF SCs AND STs IN JOBS AND BOTH DENATIONALIZED THE NATIONALIZED ORGANIZATIONS .BOTH THE PARTIES AMENDED THE CONSTITUTION SO MANY TIMES BUT NOT IMPLEMENTED FOR THE WELFARE OF SCs, STs , OBCs AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES ! BOTH ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME MANUWADI COIN !!!!! WE MUST VOTE FOR NON-BJP AND NON-CONGRESS PARTIES STRUGGLING FOR THE EGALITARIAN SOCIETY !
HAM HONGEY KAAMYAAB EK DIN !!!!!
swati said
what an idiot you are now in this modern period who cares the caste , there are no links among your writings, salman khan is such a fool and he is mad of girls. just try to accept the truth. only some of the brahmins are rude and cruel i accept , but not all. i have 2 brahmin friends though i belonged to sc they never treated like that, they love me very much, and i used to spend most of my time in their houses. just look around you and search the truth don’t try to tell fakes.
C . L . CHUMBER said
EVEN THE PROSTITUTE LADIES WARN THEIR CHILDREN NOT TO ABUSE OTHERS AND ABSTAIN FROM ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES .
SWATI HAS NO COMMON SENSE HOW TO ADDRESS OTHERS WITH DUE REGARDS .HE SHOULD LEARN SOME MANNERS .
SHE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAD WARNED THE INDIAN CITIZENS NOT TO CALL IDIOT OTHERS OTHERWISE HE/SHE MAY BE PUT BEHIND BARS !
AS SHE CLAIMED THAT SHE LIVES MOST OF THE TIMES IN HER 2 BRAHMIN FRIENDS `HOUSES , HENCE SHE CALLS IDIOTS OTHERS LIKE ” M/S HAPPY HINDU NON SENSE CLUB ” !!!!!
swati said
April 21, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
what an idiot you are now in this modern period who cares the caste ,
Ramesh said
Hindu-haters (read Brahmin haters) have no use for facts and figures. Nor do they care to produce facts and figures in support of whatever comes out of their pea-sized brains. These morons would have come across scores of people in their lives. Through their miserable eyes they would have seen events unfolding every minute. They don’t want to believe what they have seen or heard. They have no interest in their own experiences of dealing with other humans. That, constitution, courts, police, law-enforcement machinery, etc exist is irrelevant to them. But what they are extremely interested in is something called “manusmriti” compiled in some unknown century. They will go on, and on and on about manu’s prescription on various issues, in particular about the necessity “to pour molten lead or oil into the ears” of some xxx person, if he had overheard the “Vedas” being recited. Not even for a minute will these morons think whether it has ever been done in the past one thousand years. They would not pause to even think whether they had ever witnessed a “molten lead pouring” incident in the fifty-sixty years of their lives, nor would they have asked anyone whether they in turn had witnessed such an incident.
Now, let us seriously consider whether it is at all possible to indulge in a “molten lead pouring” activity.
Is lead so cheap and can it be melted so easily? Are all “vedapathashalas” keeping a furnace burning perpetually to keep lead in a perpetual state of liquid form? And, how much lead can be poured into a person’s ears?
But the beauty of the whole thing is that it requires a “King” to order “molten lead or oil or some other chemical” to be poured into the ears of some xxx person. For that, first we would have to appoint a King who in turn will have to appoint lakhs of people to keep track of all those supposedly not entitled to hear the “Vedas”. Appointing a King would necessarily require overthrowing the constitution, the elected governments and defeating the army and other security forces. Can all this be done? No. No. No.
There are several other important facts that we must consider. In several states, “vedapathashalas” based on reservation, admit students (for priestly jobs) who are allegedly not supposed to hear the “Vedas”. Have we heard that any attempt has even been made to pour “molten lead” into their ears? If we are believe these Hindu-hating morons and imbeciles, it would seem that the Govt is actually setting up a situation for conducting the “lead pouring” activity!!! Certainly, such an activity would be an act of unparalleled cruelty!!!
The other fact is that many “pundits” openly through the medium of television not only chant the “Vedas” but also explain their meanings. Their preachings/tutorials are available to the people at large. Does this activity not contradict “manu’s” alleged prescription?
Another fact is, in most temples all human beings are allowed entry. They not only witness the rituals but also get to hear the “mantras/slokas” being chanted by the priests and others who know them. Have we heard or seen the “lead pouring activity” take place. Has anyone even suggested such a thing? The answer is an emphatic NO.
But all such evidences are useless for the Hindu-haters.
That is why we must necessarily conclude that those who quote the “molten lead must be poured” stuff are either mentally-retarded morons or suffering from dangerous levels of malice and self-cultivated hatred.
hh said
Ramesh,
All those punishments were meant to be just non-executable warnings or detterents – and obviously such warnings never worked – eons later, here we sit and watch this crazy guy chumber like a classic example, he keeps proclaiming warnings that no one gives a hoot for. See the mild thread like connection?
And all those incidents of violence against dalits and brahmins; and all forms of caste-violence, not restricted to any specific caste, all came in the later colonial times…even now some scrutiny will show you that its dalits of sorts that seized land and perpetrate violence in places like bihar…
NONAME said
Ha ha. Dear Ramesh, that is one of the funniest, yet logical arguments I have read in quite some time. Good one man. 😀
Shudra ki maa ka said
First of all i have got to be an idiot to be paying heed to anything written on this site….
seriously the very fact, that all you guys are after is insulting the only community which has made india what it is today, is hilarious…
They say you are only as good as your weakest…….
why say aishwarya rai is beautiful when you have MAYAWATI…….
In the words of the late Steve Irwin ” Isn’t she a beauty, they don;t come in these sizes no more….”
C . L . CHUMBER said
These issues already discussed so many times in the
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com , hence no need to discuss again and again . Thia is a wastage of time and energy of us all.
Mr. Ramesh do not has manners how to e-dialogue without abusing as below :
*out of their pea-sized brains.
*These morons
*Not even for a minute will these morons
*these Hindu-hating morons and imbeciles
*are either mentally-retarded morons or suffering from dangerous levels of malice and self-cultivated hatred.
In Febuary , 2009 , two dalits were killed in Tamil Nadu when they entered in a Hindu temple !!!!!
The recitation of Vedas at TV is useless for Indians as even one percent Indians do not understand the Sanskrit of the Vedas !!!!!
The Vedas are useless for the Dalits !!!!!
Ramesh said
May 2, 2009 @ 5:26 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
Shudra ki maa ka pati ( husband ) , puttar ( son ) , puttari ( daughter ) ? ? ? ? ?
Is this real or fictiotious name like other M/s Happy Hindus ?
Shudra ki maa ka said
May 4, 2009 @ 12:13 pm
ceaser said
all breaking heads over a mythology!!!! ha aha ha ha ha h ha !!!!!
Shreya Bhat said
Ha ha ha.. I really feel sorry for you man!! Sorry that you have so much envy in your heart against brahmins that has prompted you to write such a blog with so much of nonsense. I am a brahmin girl and i am not happy or sad to be that. It is by birth we get our caste and it would be good if we don’t make a big deal of it. And Aishwarya Rai doesn’t need your pity or sympathy. She is happy as she is and doesn’t need you to show her she needs to pity herself for her caste. You can carry on with your self pity and low self esteem!! Those idiots who want to resue girls, please rescue girls from slum or some other less privileged places.. hehee.. you dont even DARE to dream about wealthy successful girls, and try your game of rescuing them.. they care the least about you shit people who don’t use your mind!! If the are successful, it is because of a reason and because they dont have bloated heads like you!!
I can only pity you… This article is a good joke of we Indians, hating each other..
May God help you!!
gaurav said
u dalits will always be backward because your thinking is outdated.ionly if you could put in more effort in studies,jobs rather than looking for a “upper caste conspiracy” in everything.wake up!
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. / MRS./MISS CEASER ( A FICTITIOUS NAME ? ) DISCUSS WITH US AND ADD OUR KNOWLEDGE !!!!!
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF MERELY ‘ ha aha ha ha ha h ha !!!!! ‘ ? ? ? ? ?
ceaser said
May 7, 2009 @ 5:07 am
all breaking heads over a mythology!!!! ha aha ha ha ha h ha !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
There are numerous kinds of gods ! Some Gods are rapists , racists and fascists and vice versa ! Will a Brahmin girl Shreya Bhat like rapist , racist and fascist Hindu Gods or vice versa ?
A dalit Punjabi poet wrote that our God is exploiting us and compelling us to be slaves and dependents on others . Another Punjabi poet S. Darshan Singh Awaara wrote two poetry books in which he revolted against the God .A dalit poet late Charan Dass Nidharak dared to challenge the God .He asked the God to be a Chamar and suffer the manuwadi system and he asked the God to leave his chair for him to do justice with every one without any caste , creed , religion , area etc. !!!!!
Our Adi-guru Ravidas defined the God who helps the poor and daring persons !!!!!
Shreya Bhat said
May 7, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
May God help you!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
Manuwadi Mr. Gaurav do not know that the Lok Sabha results on 16th May , 2009 will tell that the Dalits might be rulers !
Mr. Manuwadi Gaurav declared that Dalits`thinking is outdated . Is Manuwadis` worshiping , defending and highlighting their rapist, racist and fascist Gods thinking modern or outdated ? ? ? ? ?
Is BJP`s election manifesto promising to build a big Ram Temple at the site of razed Babar Mosque modern or outdated thinking ? ? ? ? ?
The Dalits are studying much as compared to their economic conditions and social status in the society ! They do not wish to be slave employees of the manuwadi employeeres !!!!! They are struggling hard to be employer than employees of the manuwadis !!!!!
Mr. Gaurav ! why did the so called upper castes struggled against the Britishers ? What will happen if a Britisher wrote ,” u Brahmins will always be backward because your thinking is outdated.ionly if you could put in more effort in studies,jobs rather than looking for a “Britishers conspiracy” in everything.wake up!
gaurav said
May 10, 2009 @ 2:20 pm
u dalits will always be backward because your thinking is outdated.ionly if you could put in more effort in studies,jobs rather than looking for a “upper caste conspiracy” in everything.wake up!
Arnab said
OMG!!! oh man u r great!!!
the is the funniest post i have ever read!!! too good man!! Tell us some more things like this!!
full comedy man!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH / REWATCH THE FOLLOWING POINTS AND SEND VIEWS TO MAKE THESE POINTS MORE PERFECT !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
May 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.
(3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
(4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
(5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
(6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
(7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
( The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
publically as the brahmins of Japan did.Thanks.
C . L . CHUMBER said
The man and woman are always the great . They intrecoursed and concepted to produce the Gods , Gurus , thinkers , schientists , revolutionaries and incarnations of Gods !!!!!
The man / woman is the creator , perserver and destroyerer !!!!!
The discussions on sorrows of dalits and their exploiters is comedy and fun for the manuwadis !!!!!
Arnab said
May 13, 2009 @ 8:30 am
OMG!!! oh man u r great!!!
the is the funniest post i have ever read!!! too good man!! Tell us some more things like this!!
full comedy man!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. MANMOHAN SINGH PM OF INDIA ( CONGRESS PARTY ) , MR. L. K . ADVANI AND MRS. SUSHMA SWARAJ URGED THE SIKH COMMUNITY TO FORGET THE BLUE STAR OPERATION ON THE GOLDEN TEMPLE , AMRITSAR AND THE DELHI RIOTS OF NOVEMBER ,1984 IN WHICH THE THOUSANDS OF SIKHS WERE KILLED .
THE SIKH INTELLECTUALS ASKED THE BJP LEADERS TO FORGET THE CELEBRATIONS OF THE DUSSEHRA . MR. PARKASH SINGH BADAL CONDEMNED MR. MANMOHAN SINGH`S STATEMENT NOT OF BJP LEADERS !
INTERESTINGLY , THESE STATEMENTS OF CONGRESS AND BJP LEADERS CAME SIMULTANEOUSLY . IS THERE THE SAME ADVISOR OF THE CONGRESS AND BJP ? ? ? ? ?
prajwal shetty said
aiswarya rai is a upper caste bunt.bunts are the most affluent caste in karnatka vt rajashekhar is a upper caste man as well lower caste people in karnataka are called koragas they are dalits this article is the most stupid article i have ever read.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS NEITHER UPPER CASTE NOR LOWER CASTE !
prajwal shetty said
May 18, 2009 @ 11:49 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS ANALYSIS the most stupid ANALYSIS I have ever read.
prajwal shetty said
May 18, 2009 @ 11:49 am
this article is the most stupid article i have ever read.
Siddhesh said
But what caused ur lovely Dalit sister marry a racial, evil, savarna Hindu after all?
And i really dont think Shettys are Dalits. They own hotels as far as i know. In caste system no-one would eat food prepared by hands of Dalits!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS NO GROUP OF POLITICIANS AND RELIGIOUS PERSONS .IN OCTOBER , 1928 , LORD LOTHIAN COMMITTEE ( FRANCHISE COMMITTEE ) VISITE CAPITALS OF THE INDIAN STATES TO ASCERTAIN THE CRITERIA FOR THE ELIGIBILITY TO BE A VOTER . THE HINDUS , SIKHS AND MUSLIMS CLAIMED THAT THE DALITS ARE HINDUS , SIKHS AND MUSLIMS RESPECTIVELY .BUT THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL UNDER ITS PRESIDENT BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA MET THE DEPUTATION WITH TEN THOUSANDS DALITS AND ASSERTED THAT THEY WERE NEITHER HINDU , OR MUSLIM OR SIKH ! THEY CLAIMED THAT WE SHUDRAS ARE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND BELONG THE ADI-DHARAM .DR. BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE ENDORSED THEIR VIEWS WHICH ARE PUBLISHED IN THE FRANCHISE ( LOTHIAN ) COMMITTEE , 1928 AD .
BABA MUGGOWALIA AGAIN SUBMITTED CLAIM TO THE SIMON COMMISSION THAT THEY ARE A DISTINCT NATION .DR. BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR AND RAO BAHADUR SRINIVASIN TWO UNTOUCHABLE REPRESENTATIVES AT THREE THE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES , LONDON ( 1930-1932 AD ) REFUTED M/S GANDHI , MALVIYA THAT THE UNTOUCHABLES WERE THE HINDUS .ULTIMATELY , THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED THE COMMUNAL AWARD ON 18TH AUGUST , 1932 IN WHICH M/S HAPPY HINDUS`FOREFATHER MR. M.K. GANDHI TOOK FAST UP- TO -DEATH WHICH LASTED AN AGREEMENT AMONG GANDHI-AMBEDKAR AND LEADERS OF BOTH SIDES WHICH IS KNOWN AS POONA PACT . IN THIS PACT UNTOUCHABLES WERE ACCEPTED AS HINDUS AND ALLOTTED MORE ASSEMBLY SEATS THAN THE COMMUNAL AWARDS WHICH PRODUCED MORE UNTOCHABLE STOOGES OF THE VAIDIK HINDUS .
BUT DR. AMBEDKAR IN HIS BOOK ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ‘ AND WROTE A CHAPTER ‘ ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLES A SEPARATE ELEMENT ? ‘ IN THIS BOOK IN 1945 AD .HE ALSO SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY THAT THEY WERE NOT HINDUS . HE URGED TO BE ALLOTTED SEPARATE ELECTORATE AND SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS FOR THE DALITS .
SAHIB KANSHI RAM `S MOVEMENT WAS AGAINST THE POLITICAL DALIT STOOGES OF THE VAIDIK HINDUS CREATED BY THE POONA PACT SYSTEM .HE ADVISED IN HIS BOOK NOT TO INDULGE WITH THESE STOOGES AND STRIKE AT THE HAND IN WHICH THESE STOOGE SPOONS ARE KEPT , THE STOOGE SPOON WILL FELL DOWN TO BE PASSIVE .
BUT HIS SPONSORED MAYAWATI TURNED THE NEW DALIT STOOGE BUT THE BAHUJAN SAMAJ REJECTED HER IN THE LOK SABHA 2009 ELECTION .HER 382 OUT OF 513 CANDIDATES FORFEITED THE SECURITY DEPOSITS .HER SALOGAN ‘ HAATHI NAHIN GANESH HAI , BRAHMA , VISHANU , MAHESH HAI ‘ .REJECTED THE VOTERS . THE VOTERS ALSO REJECTED BJP`S RAM WHO KILLED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK AND BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA TO COMMIT SUICIDE .WHEN BABA SAHEB
AMBEDKAR ALREADY REJECTED THESE FOUE GODS OF VAIDIK HINDU ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956 .
THE M/S HAPPY HINDUS HALLUCINATE AND SEE DALITS AS ENEMIES BECAUSE THEY ARE FOREIGNER ARYANS . BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DALITS`LIVES HELL WORST THAN THE ANIMALS .THEY CAN NOT FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS BEING MANNUWADIS ! WE HATE THEM !!!!!
hh said
May 20, 2009 @ 11:59 am
YES , THE DALITS SEEM ENEMIES EVERY WHERE !!!!! – CHUMBER .
——————
Assaji,
This is a group of political-buddhists. They hallucinate and see enemies everywhere. Because they want votes. They cannot follow dhamma.
C . L . CHUMBER said
The caste system is banned by the Indian constitution !
Now the Brahmins even marry their daughters to the Dalits !!!!!
The person having views like you must be put behind bars as per law of the land !!!!!
Siddhesh said
May 24, 2009 @ 5:13 pm
And i really dont think Shettys are Dalits. They own hotels as far as i know. In caste system no-one would eat food prepared by hands of Dalits!
hatecastepolitics said
My point is this!! If people think brahmins deprived other people,discrimnated against them,blah blah blah…why do you demand reservation now?Why dont you demand for equal opportunities so you can compete with a brahmin head on and not become successful by stepping over them?Prove to the brahmin community what they did was wrong by proving your mettle to them and not by twisting the arms of law to stomp over them….I am a non brahmin and this is what i believe….by encouraging quota and caste system,we are giving them further opportunity to laugh and us and brand us incapable of coming up on our own….I have never believed in caste system and never will.I have never used the quota system to come up and never will use it as I believe in myself and my hard work!!!stop caste politics and get a life people!!!!
hh said
yes since caste system is banned by the constitution what you are doing is illegal and unconstitutional. you are making politics out of caste and then claiming to be constitutional. what a cracked up case.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE PERSONS WHO DO NOT DARE TO DISCLOSE THEIR OWN NAMES , ARE CHICKEN HEARTED AND UNETHICALS !!!!!
hatecastepolitics said
June 6, 2009 @ 8:19 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF THE CASTE SYSTEM IS BANNED BY THE CONSTITUTION THEN WHY ARE YOU WORSHIPING BRAHMA WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED CASTE/ VARNA LIKE SYSTEM OF GRADATION AND DEGRADATION ? ? ? ? ?
NEITHER I MAKING POLITICS OUT OF CASTE NOR DOING ANY ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL ACTIVETIES !!!!!
I AM PRO INTER-CASTE AND PRO INTER-VARNA MARRIAGES AND YOU BEING ANTI-CONSTITUTION OPPOSE BOTH OF THEM !!!!!
THE TIME IS CHANGING AND ONE DAY YOUR OWN CHILDREN WILL DISOBEY YOU AND FOLLOW ME BY DOING INTER CASTE / INTER-VARNA MARRIAGES !!!!! THEN YOU MUST INVITE ME , PLEASE !
hh said
June 7, 2009 @ 11:42 am
yes since caste system is banned by the constitution what you are doing is illegal and unconstitutional. you are making politics out of caste and then claiming to be constitutional. what a cracked up case.
hh said
chumber,
first, brahma did not invent caste system.
second, worshipping gods does not mean following the caste system.
third, caste system was fluid.
fourth, following an occupation does not mean oppression.
fifth, i have voted you for heights of stupidity.
i myself am a product of interregion intercommunity interlingusitic-group union–ofcourse i will encourage my children to choos their own mate irrespective of religion and such rubbish.
it is you who wants to make politics out of caste.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Happy Hindu may be biologically a mixture of castes and regions but caste is every where in every caste society and in every region and religion .
Mr. Happy Hindu must be rational , ethical and humanitarian , otherwise he is nothing .
hh said
June 9, 2009 @ 9:40 am
chumber,
hh said
Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,
You said “otherwise he is nothing”, please be clear that i am not asking to be anything in the first place.
What is the meaning of being humanitarian, rational and ethical? Shooting people? Abusing faith? Abusing poverty? Misguiding poor people that caste is the reason for poverty instead of asking people to work hard and make a living?
C . L .CHUMBER said
THE CASTE SYSTEM WAS A FLUID TO ERASE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
hh said
June 9, 2009 @ 9:40 am
chumber,
first, brahma did not invent caste system.
MY ANSWER IS – PLEASE READ THE RIG VEDA . IF BRAHMA DID NOT INVENT CASTE SYSTEM , THEN WHO INVENTED ?
( 2 ) second, worshipping gods does not mean following the caste system.
MY ANSWER IS – BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS WERE CASTEISTS .
( 3 ) third, caste system was fluid.
MY ANSWER IS – THE CASTE SYSTEM WAS A FLUID TO ERASE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
( 4 ) fourth, following an occupation does not mean oppression.
MY ANSWER IS – THE MENIAL WORKS WERE IMPOSED ON THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS .THE ARYANS ARE STILL PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!!
( 5 ) fifth, i have voted you for heights of stupidity.
MY ANSWER IS – THE STUPIDTS ARE THOSE WHO WORSHIP THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!
( 6 ) i myself am a product of interregion intercommunity interlingusitic-group union–ofcourse i will encourage my children to choos their own mate irrespective of religion and such rubbish.
MY ANSWER IS – PLEASE READ BELOW :-
“Caste cannot be abolished by inter caste dinners or stray instances of inter caste marriages. Caste is a state of mind. It is a disease of mind. The teachings of the Hindu religion are the root cause of this disease. We practice casteism and we observe Untouchability because we are enjoined to do so by the Hindu religion. A bitter thing cannot be made sweet. The taste of anything can be changed. But poison cannot be changed into nectar.” – Dr. Babasaheb B. R. Ambedkar
( 7 ) it is you who wants to make politics out of caste.
MY ANSWER IS – WE ARE TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE !
hh said
First ask yourself – who are the aboriginal indians? What was old india does correspond to the current genetic boundries from afghanisthan to parts of southeast asia. Brahmins are aboriginal indians. All indians are aboriginal.
Nobody invented the caste system. If truly occupations were rigid, we would not see so much diversity in people consitituting the same caste today.
There has never been “caste” where there is money. Caste exists only where poverty exists.
C . L . CHUMBER said
* Is the judiciary accountable? ( BOOK )
by N. R. MADHAVA MENON
Judiciary itself is unaccountable for the delay, arrears, and consequent denial of justice
Courtesy : http://www.hindu.com/br/2009/06/16/stories/2009061650071200.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
I am not Mr. Ram Kishan Sharma , I am C.L. Chumber .
The person who is Happy being an Hindu can not understand ‘ What is the meaning of being humanitarian, rational and ethical ? ‘
Who is Shooting people ?
Who is Abusing faith ?
Who is Abusing poverty ?
Who is ‘ Misguiding poor people that caste is the reason for poverty instead of asking people to work hard and make a living ? ‘
* Who is worshiping the rapists , raceists and fascists as Gods ?
* Who is practizing , defending and projecting the caste / varna like filthy system invented by king Brahma whose capital was at PUSHaKAR near Ajmer in Rajasthan state of India ?
* Who is abusing whom ? Please read your writings yourself .
hh said
June 14, 2009 @ 12:03 pm
Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,
You said “otherwise he is nothing”, please be clear that i am not asking to be anything in the first place.
What is the meaning of being humanitarian, rational and ethical? Shooting people? Abusing faith? Abusing poverty? Misguiding poor people that caste is the reason for poverty instead of asking people to work hard and make a living?
hh said
First prove what you are alleging. Show the scriptures, either translations or original verses, that mention rape, racism, fascism.
Without proving, you want people to hate brahmins. You even want to go to the extent of shooting.
If caste system is the reason for poverty, why are brahmins poor, why are so many people poor in pakistan, bangladesh, cambodia, thailand, etc.
You just want to manipulate people to promote yourself as a politician, don’t you. And you exploit poverty by misguiding people. Why don’t you teach them to vocational skills to help them make a living. Instead you want to turn people against hindusim and you want everyone to hate brahmins.
Why don;t you campaign to ensure every indian gets atleast a secondary school education.
Remove all those rubbish reservations of OBC, BC, MBC. Let there be reservations only for poor people.
Instead you just keep shouting about brahma, rama, krishna, manuwadi, rapist, racist, fascist, like a broken tape recorder. Before it was skanda, now its hiranyaksha, your brain just scans only for the word ‘rape’ everywhere..what’s your prob?
hh said
You are calling gods as rapists, racists, fascists – all without proof – and then you claim you are not abusing.
To top it, you talk of shooting people, you endorse violence, you misguide poor people for self-promotion as a politician, and yet claim you are not an abuser.
The biggest joke is you consider yourself as humanitarian, rational and ethical.
Only lunatics can joke like that.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT I AM MR. C.L.CHUMBER ? I AM BRAHMIN BY BIRTH AND HE IS SHUDRA BY BIRTH .
YES , I AM HIS FAN DUE TO HIS FREE AND FRANK VIEWS ON THE EVIL GODS AND VARNA SYSTEM . I THINK THAT YOU ALSO FAN OF HIM . IF YOU DID NOT ABUSE HIM SO BITTERLY , HE HAD NOT EXPOSED HINDU GODS SO
MUCH .
YOU ARE DOING HIS JOB EASILY .THANKS .
hh said
June 14, 2009 @ 12:03 pm
Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,
hh said
Ram Karishan Sharma @ Chumber,
I maybe wrong, but generally i see the spelling KARISHAN instead of Krishna or Krishan or Kishan used more by dalit people than others.
(Both of) you shout in caps. You use the same type (lack of) punctuation marks. Brahmins do not have such a weak reasoning ability as you do. A sharma wud know atleast a little bit of the scriptures. But obviously what you know is limited to what chumber knows.
If Ram Karishan Sharma were a different person, he would counter what others say, instead it is hard to find any post where this name does not post praises of Chumber.
Anyways forget it. What names you use or whether you are the same or not does not matter. Its just funny that Chumber uses this name Ram Karishan Sharma for self-praise.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Chumber replied to Mr. Happy Hindu very gently . They both had made this blog very interesting and informative . It will be more interesting if Mr. Hindu reply with patience .
hh said
June 9, 2009 @ 9:40 am
chumber,
C . L .CHUMBER said
June 12, 2009 @ 6:33 am
THE CASTE SYSTEM WAS A FLUID TO ERASE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
hh said
so according to ramkarishan sharma shouting means replying patiently. posting a type from google means being infomative.
why don’t you chumber@ram karishan sharma just provide references from original scriptures instead of just talking so much and praising ‘each other’ so much.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ” LUNATIC JOKER ” IS THE BIOLOGICAL AS WELL AS MENTLE PRODUCT OF THE LUNATICS AND JOKERS PARENTS . THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT STOP USING DEROGATORY REMARKS EVEN REQUESTING HIM / HER TO BE GENTLE !!!!!
NOW I WILL ADDRESS HIM / HER MR. LUNATIC JOKER UNLESS HE SEEK APPOLOGY FOR HIS DEROGATORY REMARKS !!!!!
hh said
June 22, 2009 @ 6:25 am
Only lunatics can joke like that.
C . L . CHUMBER said
REMOVE ALL THOSE CREAMY LAYERS IN GENERAL AND RESERVE CATAGORIES EXEPT REMOVING CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATIONS !!!!!
REMOVE ALL THOSE RUBBISH CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AND LET THERE BE RESERVATION FOR ALL INTER-CASTE MARRIED OR INTER-RELIGION MARRIED PEOPLE !!!!!
hh said
June 18, 2009 @ 11:00 am
Remove all those rubbish reservations of OBC, BC, MBC. Let there be reservations only for poor people.
hh said
what do you mean by constitutional reservations?
there is no caste occupation system of the past today. it has already ceased to exist.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dr B.R. Ambedkar said : –
You must rely on your own strength, shake off the notion that you are in any way inferior to any community.
hh said
who said you are inferior?
are you suppressed in any way chumber?
you are the oppressor, not the oppressed.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SHUDRAS VS BRAHMINS IN HINDU SCRIPTURES ! ( ON GOOGLE )
COURTESY :
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=SHUDRAS+VS+BRAHMINS+IN+HINDU+SCRIPTURES+%3F&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 23, 2009 @ 7:38 am
THE GOOGLE SEARCH RECORDED ” VISHANU RAPED VARINDA ” FLASHED IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!!
Did you mean: VISHNU RAPED VARINDA
COURTESY : PAGE 1ST http://www.google.co.in/search?q=VISHANU+RAPED+VARINDA&hl=en&filter=0
hh said
June 22, 2009 @ 6:25 am
You are calling gods as rapists, racists, fascists – all without proof – and then you claim you are not abusing.
hh said
Lol 😀
So you are providing “references” from google?
An idiot using google for the first time should like this:
See how many “references” are there on google for ‘chumber is an idiot’:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=chumber+is+an+idiot&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
1,540,000 references !!
And see how many “references” are there on google for ‘chumber is a rapist’:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=chumber+is+a+rapist&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
160,000 references !!
So , Chumber definitely is an idiot and a rapist, because google has provided references for the same lol 😀
hh said
Chumber,
First learn to use the internet and google from your kids.
Since you say “google search recorded” something, now i am telling you the same thing in your words (enjoy the ‘flash’ news):
THE GOOGLE SEARCH RECORDED ” CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD ” FLASHED IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!!
COURTESY : PAGE 1ST http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=CHUMBER+RAPED+MUHAMMAD&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE COUNT THE ABUSES AND YOU WILL FIND THE OPPRESSORS IN THIS BLOG !!!!!
I AM NIETHER OPPERESSOR NOR OPPRESSED !!!!!
I AM FIGHTING AGAINST THE OPPERESSORS AND YOU ARE THE YES MAN OF THEM !!!!!
hh said
June 25, 2009 @ 2:02 pm
who said you are inferior?
are you suppressed in any way chumber?
you are the oppressor, not the oppressed.
hh said
Chumber,
It is you who has been abusing hindu gods so far. You are the abuser.
You did not provide one verse from any scripture to show rape, race or fascism.
Instead you claim to be oppressed, when you are capable of even shooting.
First you go and search to see if tehre are verses of rape, race and fascism, then talk. Don’t allege nonsense.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I USE INTERNET AND GOOGLE FOR SEARCH OF TRUTH !
YOU USE INTERNET AND GOOGLE FOR CREATING CONFUSIONS AND PROTECTING THE EVIL GODS .
IS IT NOT TRUTH ? ? ? ? ?
hh said
June 28, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Chumber,
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION MEANS THE RESERVATION IN JOBS AND LEGISLATIVE SANCTIFIED BY THE CONSTITUTION !!!!!
hh said
June 27, 2009 @ 4:49 am
what do you mean by constitutional reservations?
Ramesh said
“Aishwarya Rai – A victim of Brahmin conspiracy” Good imagination. The originator of must work in the movies as a story-writer. Atleast that would yield some income and would uplift atleast one person. Ofcourse there is whole crowd out there peddling such theories. And amazingly, based on such fantastic theories, n number of policies are drafted in the 35 states and UTs of India.
Ramesh said
This year the summer has been unusually hot and the rains have been scanty. It has been recently discovered that it is brahminical conspiracy which was hatched in 2000*xxx*xxx BC. Brahmins must apologise for hatching conspiracies to control the climate.
Sukra Charya said
Ramesh,
Some people on this forum believe that the Big Bang, which created the Universe, is the work of some evil Brahmin.
hh said
LOL 😀 So there are more loonies, not just one screaming crackpot here..Wonder where do ppl get such heights of stupidity from…no wonder they need reservations..
C . L . CHUMBER said
M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSIVE CLUB IS A CLUB OF NOW LUNATIC MEMBERS !!!!!
THEY LOST THEIR MENTAL EQUALIBERIUM SO BADLY THAT THEY WROTE ” THE GOOGLE SEARCH RECORDED ” CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD ” FLASHED IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!! ”
I ASK HAPPY HINDU TO TELL US THE DATE , TIME AND EXACT LOCATION OF FLASHED POSTING IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
IF I WROTE AND IT IS PROVED THEN I WILL QUIT FROM THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com AND IF HE FAILS TO SHOW THE LINK THEN HE SHOULD QUIT .
M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSIVE CLUB`S LUNATIC MEMBER MR. HAPPY HINDU DO NOT KNOW THAT REVERED PROPHET AND MYSELF ARE NOT CONTEMPORARY !!!!! I THINK ONE DAY THIS LUNATIC PERSON MAY WRITE BRAHMA RAPED VISHANU OR VICE VERSA .
hh said
June 28, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Chumber,
C . L . CHUMBER said
I NEVER MET HAPPY HINDU`S FAMILY LADIES !!!!!
hh said
June 26, 2009 @ 10:16 am
Lol 😀
So you are providing “references” from google?
An idiot using google for the first time should like this:
See how many “references” are there on google for ‘chumber is an idiot’:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=chumber+is+an+idiot&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
1,540,000 references !!
And see how many “references” are there on google for ‘chumber is a rapist’:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=chumber+is+a+rapist&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
160,000 references !!
So , Chumber definitely is an idiot and a rapist, because google has provided references for the same lol 😀
C . L . CHUMBER said
HAPPY HINDU !
DID YOU RAPED YOUR FAMILY LADIES ? ? ? ? ?
COURTESY : http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=HAPPY+HINDU+RAPED+HIS+FAMILY+LADIES&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
IN RESPONSE TO BELOW WRITING OF HAPPY HINDU !
hh said
June 26, 2009 @ 10:16 am
– – –
And see how many “references” are there on google for ‘chumber is a rapist’:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=chumber+is+a+rapist&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 4:20 am
MR.HAPPY HINDU`S FAMILY LADIES WILL ALSO GIVE SURETY THAT I HAD NEVER RAPED ANY LADY IN THE UNVERSE !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr. Happy Hindu ( Dukhi Ram ) @ H said ( September 5, 2008 @ 11:21 am),” Yes i know that. Problem is you do not.And you can be handled only in your way, not anyone else’s way.I HAVE DECIDED TO CALL YOU RAPIST, RACIST and FASCIST.See, how much you are teaching me to go much below your own level? ”
My answer is : – I had never used abusive language .I had not handeled any one by this filthy way . I am neither racist nor fascist . I had not invented caste / varna like filthy system . I respect the all women like my mother , sisters and daughters . I never visited Mr.Happy Hindu`s sweet home , then how he blamed me as rapist .I am fighting against the rapists , racists and fascists and Mr. Happy Hindu is Dukhi Ram due to my stand .Actually he is the standless as well as senseless !!!!!
COURTESY :
C . L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMA RAPED VISHANU OR VISHANU RAPED BRAHMA ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Happy Hindu ,
HERE YOU WROTE THAT ” Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times ” ( hh said ,June 25, 2009 @ 1:36 pmhttps://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ ) AND YOU WROTE ANOTHER PLACE ” THE GOOGLE SEARCH RECORDED ” CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD ” FLASHED IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!! ” ( LINK hh said
June 28, 2009 @ 3:47 pm ,:https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/#comment-6545 ) .
I also searched on http://www.google.com. and found as below . It is for your kind information , please .
courtesy ( 1st page ) http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=BRAHMA+RAPED+VISHANU+OR+VISHANU+RAPED+BRAHMA&hl=en&filter=0
C . L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMA RAPED VISHANU OR VISHANU RAPED BRAHMA ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Happy Hindu ,
COURTESY ( PAGE 2ND )
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=BRAHMA+RAPED+VISHANU+OR+VISHANU+RAPED+BRAHMA&hl=en&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
COURTESY ( PAGE 3RD )
http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=BRAHMA+RAPED+VISHANU+OR+VISHANU+RAPED+BRAHMA&hl=en&start=20&sa=N&filter=0
C . L . CHUMBER said
WELL DONE THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com WHICH HAS 19 REFERENCES OUT OF 30 !!!!!
I CONGRATULATE THE ADMINISTRATOR ( S ) WHO ARE ARRANGING E-DIALOGUE ON THE EVIL GODS AND EVILS IN THE INDIAN SOCIETY !!!!!
BRAHMA RAPED VISHANU OR VISHANU RAPED BRAHMA ? ? ? ? ?
Courtesy : http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=BRAHMA+RAPED+VISHANU+OR+VISHANU+RAPED+BRAHMA&hl=en&start=0&sa=N&filter=0
chumbersmrithi said
WELL DONE STUPID https://dalitnation.wordpress.com WHICH HAS 78,900 REFERENCES FOR CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD OR MUHAMMAD RAPED CHUMBER !!!!!
I CONGRATULATE THE ADMINISTRATOR ( S ) WHO ARE ARRANGING E-DIALOGUE ON THE EVIL ABUSERS LIKE CHUMBER AND EVILS EXPLOITER LUNATIC POLITICIANS LIKE CHUMBER IN THE INDIAN SOCIETY !!!!!
CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD OR MUHAMMAD RAPED CHUMBER? ? ? ? ?
Courtesy : http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=CHUMBER+RAPED+MUHAMMAD+OR+MUHAMMAD+RAPED+CHUMBER&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
SanJam said
gosh,, hh!
i’ve never seen a guy, do another guy, so bad, online….
chumber must be running with his tail between his legs now!!
hahwhawhwhahahahahahahahahahhaa
keep it up!
Sukra Charya said
PLEASE COUNT THE ABUSES AND YOU WILL FIND THE OPPRESSORS IN THIS BLOG !!!!!
Chumber,
If you shout abuses in a bazaar, at least ten people will shout abuses back at you.The Internet is no different. By that measure, one is surprised at the relatively few abuses that have been levelled at you.
Also, your abuses are racial. In any Western country, those carry heavy fines. At the same time, you lose your stature in society. Colleges will politely decline any application made by your children.
Think about it.
Ramesh said
It is surprising that so many people are wasting their time responding to worthless banter.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHO IS DR. B.R.CHUMBER AND HIS PERMANENT ADDRESS ?
THE PUNJAB GOVERNMENT NEVER PUBLISHED THIS CHUMBERSMIRITY !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU LOST THE E-DIALOGUE ON THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK GODS AND THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU ALSO LOST YOUR CREDITABILITY ALSO VERY WELL !!!!!
I HAVE SYMPATHY WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM MEMBERS !!!!!
hh said
June 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am
Chumber,
Chumber’s wife decided that Chumber was a mad fellow fit to be put in the mental hospital, so she called the senapathi who tied him up, put him into an ambulance and took him to a mental hospital. Then she lived happily ever after with Salman, the Khan (Dr.B.R.Chumber: Chumbersmrithi, Punjab Govt. Publication, 2009).
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635
hh said
Lunatic Chumber,
Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
We already have the ramayana in sanskrit, nobody will beleive the idiotic stuff written by your stupid dalit mafia writers..
Keep screaming and shouting, you are fit to keep doing only that, you are exactly like a mad man prowling on the streets..
C . L . CHUMBER said
SanJam said
SANJAM IS THE SAME PERSON WHO SAID IN THIS BLOG THAT LAKSHMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S SISTERS !!!!!
I THINK HIS FAMILY LADIES MUST HAD AVAILED THE SEXY SERVICES OF HIS LAKSHAMAN ALREADY !!!!!
June 30, 2009 @ 10:39 am
gosh,, hh!
i’ve never seen a guy, do another guy, so bad, online….
chumber must be running with his tail between his legs now!!
hahwhawhwhahahahahahahahahahhaa
keep it up!
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHAT IS THIS HINDU RASHTRA ?
On Golwalkar’s Fascistic Ideology
and the Saffron Brigade’s Practice
By
Sitaram Yechuri
Table of Contents
Chapter 1 Introduction
Chapter 2 Organisational Double Face
Chapter 3 Deliberate Distortions
Chapter 4 Rejecting Science and History
Chapter 5 Appropriating Aryans
Chapter 6 Rabid Intolerance
Chapter 7 Inspiration from Fascism
Chapter 8 Hijacking Hinduism
Chapter 9 Manu’s India
References References
COURTESY : http://www.geocities.com/indianfascism/fascism/what_is_this_hindu_rashtra.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU WROTE ,” it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true ” .
IF ANYONE WRITES , ” HAPPY HINDU BEING A STAUNCH FOLLOWER BRAHMA , RAPES HIS DAUGHTER DAILY .” I THINK THAT MR. HAPPY HINDU WILL BE ANGRY DEFINITELY .
HE NOT ONLY USED FILTHY LANGUAGE FOR ME BUT ALSO FOR MY WIFE .
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS OF THE EVIL GODS AND BORN IN THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INFECTED SOCIETY ? ? ? ? ?
hh said
July 7, 2009 @ 3:42 am
Lunatic Chumber,
Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
Sukra Charya said
“HE NOT ONLY USED FILTHY LANGUAGE FOR ME BUT ALSO FOR MY WIFE .”.
Chumber,
As I said before, you threw the first stone.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I DID NOT WRITE AGAINST YOU PERSONALLY .
I WROTE WITH REFERENCES AND RATIONALLY .
I MAY ALSO WRITE AGAINST YOUR FAMILY LADIES LIKE THIS WHICH WILL BE UNBEARABLE FOR YOU . AND YOU WILL HAVE TO SUICIDE WITH SHAME !!!!!
PLEASE ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE OR FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FILTHY LANGUAGE .
YOU MAY BE PUT BEHIND BARS FOR YOU FILTHY LANGUAGE FOR A LADY .
YOU MUST KNOW THAT RAMAYANA AND MAHABHARTA ARE CONCERNED WITH THE PRESTIGE OF THE WOMEN .DUE TO THIS BOTH THE SIDES RUINED !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 13, 2009 @ 9:41 am
“HE NOT ONLY USED FILTHY LANGUAGE FOR ME BUT ALSO FOR MY WIFE .”.
Chumber,
As I said before, you threw the first stone.
ToAStupidFellow said
Chumber,
A loony with a filthy head obsessed with rape and spewing utter nonsense like you better not talk about ramayan, mahabharat.
You are plain stupid fool who cannot provide even a single line in sanskrit from any hindu scriptures to support your stupid allegations.
If you are confident that your allegations are correct, then GO AND FILE A CASE AND COME TO COURT AND FACE THE LAW.
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 16, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
WE INDIANS WANT JUSTICE FOR LATE PROF. SABHARWAL , HIS FAMILY AND ENTIRE HUMAN BEINGS >
– _ _ _
* WHO KILLED PROFESSOR SABHARWAL? BJPs MOMENT OF SHAME
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/not-white-tiger-but-the-black-panther-of-dalits-for-india/#comment-6956
C . L . CHUMBER said
A BRAMIN LADY RITA BAHUGUNA HAS NO RESPECT FOR A DALIT CM AND LAW OF THE LAND .
ALL POLITICAL PARTIES CONDEMNED PANDITANI RITA`S MALICIOUS COMMENTS !!!!!
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* Rita’s remarks draw ire of political parties ( TIMES OF INDIA DATED 16TH JULY , 2009 ) .
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chief minister Mayawati drew condemnation from political parties across the spectrum and disapproval from Congress president Sonia Gandhi.
Gandhi expressed “deep pain and anguish” over what has happened in UP, AICC General Secretary Janardan Dwivedi quoted her as saying.
Dwivedi told reporters that the party regrets the personal elements in reference to Chief Minister Mayawati in Joshi’s remarks.
BJP’s Deputy leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj said “Rita had crossed all limits of political attack against a rival and in the process forgot the dignity of women.” she told reporters, adding “she cannot get away with such comments”.
Swaraj sought an apology from Congress over Joshi’s remarks.
“Congress cannot get away by simply disassociating itself from her remarks. An apology would only help it (Congress) gain more stature,” she said.
Terming the comments as slanderous, DMK MP Kanimozhi said “women should avoid such a slanderous thing”.
“We condemn Joshi’s statement. What happened after that (burning of Joshi’s house in Lucknow allegedly by BSP supporters) also should not have happened,” CPI leader D Raja said.
Akhilesh Yadav, Samajwadi Party MP and son of SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav, however had a different take on the matter as he focused attack more on the BSP government in the state for allegedly using SC/ST Act in a wrong manner.
“There are many examples where SC/ST Act has been falsely invoked. Law and order has completely broken down under BSP rule in UP. The question is not of the statement, but is about invoking serious Acts falsely. Police is acting on the orders of BSP,” he said.
Telugu Desam Party president N Chandrababu Naidu also condemned the alleged derogatory remarks by Uttar Pradesh Congress chief Rita Bahuguna against the UP Chief Minister Mayawati.
“Bahuguna’s remarks are highly objectionable and the Congress should apologise to the nation for this,” Chandrababu said in a statement here today.
He alleged that Bahuguna made such reprehensible remarks against Mayawati only at the behest of the Congress party.
“The UPA government has failed in preventing atrocities on Dalits. Now, Bahuguna’s remarks against a Dalit and woman Chief Minister have come as a shock,” the TDP chief said.
COURTESY : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-India-Ritas-remarks-draw-ire-of-political-parties/articleshow/4786538.cms
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE MUST BE M/S MULAYAM SINGH YADAV , LALU PARSHAD YADAV , RAM VILAS PASVAN OR Ms MAYAWATI FUTURE PM OF INDIA !!!!!
MR. PASWAN WON TWICE BY WORLD RECORDS !!!!!
HE IS THE MAN AFTER DR. AMBEDKAR WHO IMPLEMENTED THE MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT IN GOVT. JOBS FOR THE SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION .
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS ALSO LOST TWICE IN THE LOK SABHA ELECTIONS IN INDEPENDENT INDIA .
BUT DR. AMBEDKAR OUTLAWED THE MANUWADI SYSTEM CONSTITUTIONALLY !!!!!
MR. PASWAN WILL BE REMEMBERED IN THE FUTURE HISTORY OF CONSTITUTIONAL STRUGGLE OF INDIA WHO DARED TO PROMISE TO BAN THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATION RSS AND ITS OFF SHOOTS INCLUDING BJP !!!!!
IN 1984 AD LOK SABHA ELECTION , BJP WON ONLY TWO SEATS IN INDIA .
IN 1996 AD , IT RULED INDIA .
THERE MUST BE M/S MULAYAM SINGH YADAV , LALU PARSHAD YADAV , RAM VILAS PASVAN OR Ms MAYAWATI FUTURE PM OF INDIA !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 9:48 pm
Yes, Mr.Chumber. Apparently, the electorate does not think highly of him. His party has not won a single seat and Mr.Paswan himself has lost the elections.
COURTESY :
C . L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMINS WERE BENEFITED BY MUSLIM CONQUEST !
By Dr. K. Jamanadas
COURTESY :http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conquest.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR ADMINISTRATOR ,
I THANK YOU FOR FLASHING THE FINANCIAL IRREGULARITIES COMMITTED BY THE STATE AND CENTRE GOVERNMENTS .
THE MANUWADI WRITERS OF THIS BLOG SOME TIMES BLAMED ME THAT I DID NOT RISE ECONOMIC ISSUES . NOW I EXPOSED THEIR GOVERNMENTS , THEN THEY COME IN DEFENCE OF THE TREACHEROUS AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS .
THEY ARE AGAIN EXPOSED .
Sukra Charya said
THIS IS A BIG SECRET?
The fact that our state government are corrupt was known at least from 1960s. This needs no exposing!
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE CORRECT LINK AS BELOW :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/UPA-failed-to-use-Rs-72500-crore-for-Dalits-Study-/articleshow/4740334.cms
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:33 pm
– – –
NOW , MRS. SONIA GANDHI , CHAIRPERSON OF THE UPA GOVERNMENT DID NOT UTILIZED THE BUDGET ON THE DALITS .PLEASE READ ( C . L . CHUMBER said , July 7, 2009 @ 3:46 pm )
* UPA failed to use Rs 72,500 crore for Dalits: Study
Sukra Charya said
http://mumbaihangout.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3811&Item
C . L . CHUMBER said
BABA SAHEB DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” RIDDLIES IN HINDUISM ”
DEAR VIEWERS,
I FEEL PLEASURE TO SUPPLY LINK OF BABA SAHEB DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” RIDDLIES IN HINDUISM ” TO LOGIC END OF OUR DIALOGUE ON THE HINDUISM .
THE HINDU SOCIETY IS A CRIMINAL SOCIETY WHOSE GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
THEIR SO CALLED WRITERS THREAT ME AND OTHERS EVEN TO KILL .
SHAHID BHAGAT SINGH ONCE WROTE THAT THE BIG STATES CAN BE DESTROYED BUT THE THOUGHTS COULD BE COUNTERED BY THE THOUGHTS ONLY !!!!!.
WE CHALLENGE THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL RELIGION AND ITS EVIL GODS TO COUNTER BABA SAHEB`S RATIONAL FINDIGS WITH REFERENCES !!!!!
“Riddles in Hinduism” by B R Ambedkar
LINK :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4447669/Riddles-in-Hinduism-by-B-R-Ambedkar
Sukra Charya said
“THE HINDU SOCIETY IS A CRIMINAL SOCIETY WHOSE GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .”.
Just to set the record straight. You have NO EVIDENCE for ANY of your assertions. They are just BLIND SUPERSTITIONS at this point.
A criminal will always yell abuses at an honest man, because his intention is to bully and cheat him. How do we find the criminal? When a person will not provide evidence for any of his assertions, ITS CLEAR THAT THE INTENTIONS ARE CRIMINAL.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ADI-DHARAM IN DR. AMBEDKAR`S WRITING !!!!!
STATEMENT “E”
[f1] NOTE BY Dr. B. R. AMBEDKAR TO
THE INDIAN FRANCHISE COMMITTEE
(LOTHIAN COMMITTEE)
ON THE DEPRESSED CLASSES
SUBMITTED ON 1st MAY 1932
III. Depressed Classes in the Punjab
11. In connection with the population figure for the depressed classes given in the census of 1931 I wish to draw attention to two facts :
(1) The population of those who caused pollution by touch was according to the census of 1911,2-8 millions while in the census of 1931 the population of untouchables is given as amounting to 1.3 millions.
(2) The census of 1911 gives a list of 23 castes which are deemed to cause pollution by touch. The census of 1931 mentions only castes as forming the untouchable population in the Punjab. 12. Why the total population of the untouchables and the list of castes included in that category should have shrunk so much between 1911 and 1931 lam not able to ascertain. It is however necessary to state that among the untouchables of Punjab there has been going on for some years past a strong movement called the Ad-Dharm movement the object of which is to separate from the Hindu fold and form themselves into a distinct community under the new name of Ad-Dharmis. Such has been the strength of the movement that the untouchables decided to return themselves as Ad-Dharmis instead of Hindus in the census of 1931, and the Government gave recognition to this feeling and allowed the Census Superintendent of Punjab to open a new category of Ad-Dharmis. This led in some parts of the Punjab to riots between the Hindus and the untouchables. As a result the untouchables in some parts returned themselves simply as Ad-Dharmis without mentioning their respective castes, and in other parts where they were prevented from doing so returned themselves as Hindus under their caste names. I am mentioning these facts to show that the difficulties created in the enumeration of the untouchables and which are admitted by the Government of Punjab may be responsible for this shrinkage in the number and list of untouchables in the Punjab. The matter therefore requires to be carefully looked into.
COURTESY :
http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/14E.%20Dr.%20Ambedkar%20with%20the%20Simon%20Commission%20E.htm
Sukra Charya said
“ON THE DEPRESSED CLASSES
SUBMITTED ON 1st MAY 1932”
Chumber-ji,
The date is 1932. Fifteen years BEFORE independence. That is significant. So, Ambedkar was telling the British that Dalits did not favor independence, is it not?
And this man is your hero?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. STUPID PERSON HAS NOTHING TO SAY !!!!!
I AM READY ALWAYS FOR LEGAL AND DIALOGUE BATTLE !!!!!
YOUR FAMILIES ARE ABUSING FAMILIES , THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT ABUSES !!!!!
I AM COUNTING YOU ABUSERS TO HAND OVER TO THE POLICE !!!!!
PLEASE WAIT TO GO TO THE JAILS !!!!!
ToAStupidFellow said
July 21, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
Chumber,
A loony with a filthy head obsessed with rape and spewing utter nonsense like you better not talk about ramayan, mahabharat.
You are plain stupid fool who cannot provide even a single line in sanskrit from any hindu scriptures to support your stupid allegations.
If you are confident that your allegations are correct, then GO AND FILE A CASE AND COME TO COURT AND FACE THE LAW.
ToAStupidFellow said
If you are ready to face the court, then GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW AGAINST PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO ABUSED YOU. In that way you will be authenticating your identity on this blog; making things easier for us. Don’t just shout. Just go and file a case right now.
C . L . CHUMBER said
The six chapters but the last 7th chapter of Uttara Kaand deleted ! Why ?
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/index.htm
THE BELOW LINK HAS THE 7 CHAPTERS INCLUDING THE UTTRA KAAND ( CHAPTER )
http://sanskritdocuments.org/mirrors/ramayana/valmiki.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. SHUKRACHARYA !
DO NOT EAT FOOD STUFFS AS THESE ARE PRODUCED BY THE SHUDRAS !!!!!
DO NOT WEAR CLOTHS AS THESE ARE MADE OF THE COTTON PRODUCED BY THE ABORIGINAL INDIAN FARMERS .
DO NOT DRINK WATER AS THE HAND PUMPS, TUBE WELLS AND WELLS WERE TOUCHED BY THE SHUDRAS !!!!!
DO NOT LIVE IN THE HOUSES / FLATS AS THE ARE TOUCHED AND BUILT BY THE INDIAN ABORIGINALS !!!!!
DO NOT ENTER IN THE TEMPLES AS THESE ARE TOUCHED AND BUILT BY THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ( SHUDRAS ) !!!!!
DO SUICIDE AS WHEN YOU WERE BORN , THE SHUDRA NURSE TOUCHED YOUR MOTHER`S UTERUS FOR DELIVERY AND YOU .!!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 16, 2009 @ 1:05 am
“WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CONVEY ? ? ? ? ?”
Since you feel that people of all other communities (”higher castes”) are BAD and tell lies all the time. Therefore, you cannot use papers like (THE HINDU, which is owned by some “upper-caste”), to support your claim.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE RSS` WEEKLY THE ORGANISER DATED 19TH JULY , 2009 PUBLISHED THE BELOW ARTICLE ON THE DELHI HIGH COURT`S DECISION ON THE HOMOSEXUALITY .
ITS FIRST PARAGRAPH SHOWS THE BENT OF MIND OF THE WRITER , PUBLISHER AND THE HINDU SOCIETY .
I REQUEST ALL TO TAKE NOTICE OF THIS PAPER WHICH IS THE BACKBONE OF THE HINDU EXTREMISTS !!!!!
I WILL COMMENT ON THIS WITH DETAILS . THANKS .
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Shy society. Shameless debate
By S Gurumurthy
The Indian discipline was always built around unenforced social and family norms; not state laws. Self-restraint and shyness were the tools to regulate the deviants from the norms, not the police or courts. Even today, it is this non-formal moral order—read dharma—not the laws of Parliament or State assemblies, that largely governs this society.
Homosexuals displaced the Economic Survey for the year 2008-09 from the headlines of most media on July 3, 2009. New headings such as, “Historic bench mark”; “Sexual equality”; “Landmark Judgement” appeared in the media. This is how the media had headlined the Delhi High Court judgement holding Sec. 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which makes homosexual acts offences in law, partly unconstitutional. Sec. 377 of the Indian Penal Code was not Manu’s code. It was Macaulay’s. This colonial law made homosexuality punishable. In Judo-Christian tradition homosexuality was seen an act against the law of God, punishable even with death. The Islamic rules also prescribed capital punishment for the offence. In all Abrahamic traditions the hostility to homosexuality originated in the story associated with a city as Sodom [the etymological source of the world ‘sodomy’] where the sexual sin was first committed according to their texts, though the respective accounts varied. This is the philosophy of the law against homosexuals in Abrahamic societies. Macaulay’s law reflected their theological position. Earlier, there was no state law in India to punish homosexuality. Does that mean that the Hindu—read Indian—tradition approved of homosexuality?
What was the position of the state and state enacted laws in India in such matters? The king or the state in India had refrained from handling most issues which the society or families could handle. It is the colonial state, with its laws and courts, that began to intrude the sovereign domain of the family and society. The Indian discipline was always built around unenforced social and family norms; not state laws. Self-restraint and shyness were the tools to regulate the deviants from the norms, not the police or courts. Even today, it is this non-formal moral order—read dharma—not the laws of Parliament or State assemblies, that largely governs this society. India is otherwise ungovernable; just some 12,000 plus police stations in some 7 lakh towns and villages cannot regulate over 110 crore people. Thanks to this moral order, the Indian society had handled, and even now handles, such sensitive issues with great finesse than does state law. It is in stark contrast to the gross state law and media discourse of today. Historian Devdutt Puranik says that in Hindu literature “though not part of the mainstream, the existence of homosexuality was recognised, but, not approved”. Naradasmiriti prohibited marriage of homosexual men with women. Manu did suggest mild punishments for homos, but of an extreme type. The Indian tradition therefore neither encouraged nor punished lesbians or gays; nor did it celebrate them or despise them. It regarded them as a small, marginal fact of life, preferring to ignore them; and treating them as not worthy of public discussion for or against that might disturb the rest of the society.
Homosexuals are, in numbers, marginal even in the West. In the US where the gay-lesbians are aggressive in the public discourse, the 2000 US Census data reveals that only 0.42 per cent households are same-sex households. Studies in US or France and Canada show just some 1-2 per cent admit to be gays or lesbians. The deviation from the mainstream behaviour is as marginal as that. Yet it is the geo-Christian hostility to even such marginal groups that turns them into vociferous action groups in the West. In the Indian – read Hindu – civilisational ethos, humans had never been seen as belonging to one uniform behavioural class. The Indian civilisation had recognised diversity in behaviour and morals. It therefore never imposed one moral value or rule for all. But it believed in a hierarchy of moral principles. It held out right conduct as ideal for the rest to imbibe and follow, but, on their own volition. Even as it had evolved normative moral principles for the mainline society, it had subtly ignored, rather than focus on or punish, the deviants. Those who could not follow an ideal were never held as illustration for others to follow. The examples are plenty.
For example, the Indian society had evolved on the principle of one man-one wife as the ideal model for life, but never made it the law. It had indeed celebrated monogamy; but had never prohibited or punished polygamy. It did not even outlaw polyandry. Even today, regardless of the law, polygamy prevails in different parts of India. Even polyandry exists in certain communities in North India. It is neither proscribed nor accepted by others. But even those who did not follow the ideal of monogamy never disputed its virtue; nor did those who followed that virtue look down upon those who did not. Sri Ram was monogamous, but his father, Dhasaratha, was polygamous. Yet, Sri Ram revered him; obeyed him totally. Sri Ram is therefore regarded, besides an ideal being, an ideal son as well. But Prahalada defied his father; he is regarded as an ideal person, though some may not see him as an ideal son like Sri Ram. Likewise, Sita obeyed her husband; but Meera defied hers; and yet both are accepted as great. Obeying one’s husband or one’s father or being monogamous was held as a high virtue. Even the more macro idea of ahimsa paramo dharma, namely non-violence as “the highest value”, was regarded as a virtue of those only who had renounced the world; and not for householders and others. So the society was ruled more by hierarchy of virtues and illustrative conduct than by law. What is correct was never judged by how many people adhered to it; but how virtuous it was and regarded by all as such.
Tolerance for the deviants from generally accepted human conduct is part of the Indian ethos. Here the society would wisely ignore the marginal deviants rather than punish them, even discuss them – a more subtle, sensible social management principle. The society felt, even now feels, shy to discuss them. That is why the traditional religious scholars have refused to be drawn into the current debate on the issue. In the Indian tradition, homosexuals, as elsewhere, were thus regarded as deviants. But, here, unlike in the Abrahamic, the right of these deviants to exist without being punished was never denied; and will never be. Yet no one can argue here or elsewhere that homosexuality is a virtue. No law or court of law can declare it as a virtue. That is the crux of the debate; and that is what is being obfuscated. QED: The Delhi High Count ruling held only one part of Sec. 377 as unconstitutional. But what part is held constitutional—that is, what act of homosexuality is still punishable—cannot be described without allowing the discourse to become shameless; without spilling filth in the discourse. So it is not being described as shamelessness should yield to shyness. But, the media, particularly the visual, has been purveying needless filth using the issue for quite some time now. And growing shamelessness is replacing dignified shyness that marks the public discourse. Is it fair to subject a shy society to a shameless debate?
(The writer can be contacted at email: comment@gurumurthy.net)
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE RSS` WEEKLY THE ORGANISER ACCEPTED THE REALITIES IN ITS ISSUE DATED 26TH JULY . 2009 AS BELOW IN A BOOK REVIEW !!!!!-C.L.CHUMBER
UNDERSTANDING BHAKTI ( BOOK TRANSLATED FROM MALYALAM TO ENGLISH )
Puntanam and Melpattur: Two Measures of Bhakti, Vijay Nambisan (translator), Penguin Books, Pp 95, Rs 150.00
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* The Namputiris or Namboodiris are generally supposed to be Aryan Brahmins who settled in Kerala, probably before the Christian era began.
* t is said that between 1575 and 1625, Ramanujan Ezhuttacchan, the father of modern Malayalam, who was from a low-caste Nayar family, gave the best-loved translation of Ramayana and Mahabharata besides reviving the Bhakti tradition.
* While Kabir, Mira, Eknath, Surdas, Nanak, Jnaneswar, Namdeo, Tukaram stormed the north, the Sangam poets, the Vaisnava and Shaiva saints were writing in the south their own Bhakti expressions.
Courtesy : http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=301&page=21
C.L.CHUMBER said
DR. AMBEDKAR AND OTHER DALIT HEROES WERE AGAINST THE BRITISH RULE BUT THEY FELT IT FAR BETTER THAN THE HINDU TYRANNY !!!!!
THEY WANTED EQUAL HUMAN AND POLITICAL RIGHTS FOR EVERY INDIAN WHICH WERE OPPOSED BY THE HINDU LEADERSHIP !!!!!
THE HINDUS OPPOSED THE EQUAL STATUS FOR THE DALITS , THAT IS WHY THE DALIT LEADERS ALSO OPPOSED THEM . WHAT WAS UN-NATURAL ? ? ? ? ?
Sukra Charya said
July 23, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
“ON THE DEPRESSED CLASSES
SUBMITTED ON 1st MAY 1932″
Chumber-ji,
The date is 1932. Fifteen years BEFORE independence. That is significant. So, Ambedkar was telling the British that Dalits did not favor independence, is it not?
And this man is your hero?
Sukra Charya said
“..THE HINDUS OPPOSED THE EQUAL STATUS FOR THE DALITS..”
Chumber-ji,
In 1947, ALL the leaders had unanimous agreement that all Indians would be equal in the eyes of the law. Each woman would get EXACTLY the rights as a man. Dalits were to get the same rights as everybody else.
Can you show us ONE speech or ONE letter or ONE conference, where the equality of Dalits was opposed by any major freedom-fighter?
They also put this into practice. Jagjivan Ram’s status within Congress got elevated. He finally became the Defence Minister ! Where is the evidence for your statements?
C.L.CHUMBER said
ISLAMIC SCHOLAR ABSOLVES GANDHI , BLAMES NEHRU , JINNAH FOR PARTITION
LINK :http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19990130/03050625.html
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
Who are the other dalit heroes apart from Dr. Ambedkar please ??
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 27, 2009 @ 3:52 pm
DR. AMBEDKAR AND OTHER DALIT HEROES
rajashekar said
Who cares for who absolves and whom . How does it matter in todays scenario. When are you going to stop reminding history and start writing the present and the future.Stop these nonsense and do write some thing useful to this society.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 28, 2009 @ 5:16 am
ISLAMIC SCHOLAR ABSOLVES GANDHI , BLAMES NEHRU , JINNAH FOR PARTITION
Ramesh said
It has been recently discovered that in addition to the many of the wrongs committed by the oppressed, untouchable brahmins, they are also responsible for
(a) The big bang,
(b) Global warming,
(c) Hole in the ozone layer,
(d) Melting of the artic ice,
(d) Tsunami, and
(e) The global financial meltdown.
ProudIndian said
You are the biggest asshole i ever came across. Its people of blocked mindset like you who spread the unwanted communal problems within the country. A motherfucker like you can never do any good to your own people. Rather than criticisng people, go and do some welfare for the upliftment of the dalit pople. Be assured that higher castes including Brahmins and Baniyas will come to assist you. You should be ashamed that because of people like you foreigners first of all like to know i a dark looking indian is dalit. You are shame to even those dalits who are progressing in their lifes. I might have been fortunate enough to be raised in a good soceity but i see that educated sections no more think on caste barriers ….its changing ..but not because of assholes like you but rather open mindedness of community in general.
ProudIndian said
I wont be surprised to know that you a motherfucking Mohammad fan sitting somewhere in Pakistan. Your characteristics resemble a dirty goofheaded muslim … All muslims are assholes …. they are the cause of most problems on this earth ..they fuck their sister in Burka ……. and they have wierd opinions like you have … Mohammad suck my dick …….Fuck you Paki
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. RAMESH ,
ONE DAY THE BRAHMINS WILL BE REALLY OPPRESSED AND UNTOUCHABLES AS THE CIRCLE OF NATURE REVOLVES !!!!!
Ramesh said
July 30, 2009 @ 2:53 am
It has been recently discovered that in addition to the many of the wrongs committed by the oppressed, untouchable brahmins, they are also responsible for
(a) The big bang,
(b) Global warming,
(c) Hole in the ozone layer,
(d) Melting of the artic ice,
(d) Tsunami, and
(e) The global financial meltdown.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. RAJASHEKAR CONFESSED TO MR. R.K.SHARMA THAT HE THREATENED ME TO KILL ME MERCIFULLY IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
rajashekar said
HI Ramesh,
What about population POLLUTION. Are Brahmins responsible forr all those pollution?
Ramesh said
July 30, 2009 @ 2:53 am
It has been recently discovered that in addition to the many of the wrongs committed by the oppressed, untouchable brahmins, they are also responsible for
(a) The big bang,
(b) Global warming,
(c) Hole in the ozone layer,
(d) Melting of the artic ice,
(d) Tsunami, and
(e) The global financial meltdown.
Sukra Charya said
Mr.Ramesh,
Here is one more to the list.
The falling of leaves from the trees in autumn.
Kumarpushp said
Dear ramesh ,dalits will give two fingers to you and your hindu led government in coming years so donot worry we have marked the enemy and you hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatment .take your as… away from this board.
Sukra Charya said
…. And a very merry Christmas to you too. (Or is it “A very happy Muharram” – don’t know).
C.L.CHUMBER said
“CASTE & SINGLE EQUALITY BILL”
WORKSHOP ON SATURDAY 15TH AUGUST, 2009
Since its formal launch in July 2004, CasteWatchUK has worked on a broad front, to raise awareness of caste-based discrimination in the UK . We sought consultation with the Department for Education & Skills; provided input into consultations on the Home Office’s White Paper Strength in Diversity; provided feedback to the Government’s Community & Faiths Unit; made submissions to the Discrimination Law Review. We have also networked with a number of organisations and continue to raise the profile of Caste based discrimination and its impact on British society.
You will be aware that CasteWatchUK has been leading the campaign to have Caste Based Discrimination addressed in the Single Equality Bill. On Monday, 11 th May 2009 , the Government unveiled the second reading of the Single Equality Bill and a number of MPs raised the Caste issue on the floor of the House. Despite our campaigning on the issue, Caste Discrimination was not included in the first draft of the Single Equality Bill. Our work amongst the affected communities reveal dearth of evidence that clearly demonstrates how the practice of Caste has been imported into Britain, its modus operandi and the need for Government to take effective legal measures to stop Caste practices embedding into British society.
Single Equality Bill proceeded to the Committee stage in June, 2009 in which a team of eighteen MP’s considered the Bill in details to assess if any changes were needed. CasteWatchUK lobbied MP’s and also submitted a memorandum as evidence to the Scrutiny committee overseeing the Single Equality Bill. The Bill Committee concluded its deliberation on Tuesday 7 th July & “Caste” has now been tabled as an amendment to the draft bill. It is a great news because Government had decided that caste would not be included in Single Equality Bill whereas Parliament, through its Bill Committee, has now proposed an amendment to the initial draft bill and it now seems possible that caste can appear in the Single Equality Bill. The amendment was proposed by Ms Lynn Featherstone MP and Dr Evan Harris MP – both are members of Bill Committee. The Committee stage has now come to a close. The Single Equality Bill will now proceed to the Report Stage and then 3rd reading, after that onto the House of Lords. We will continue to eagerly monitor the passage of the Single Equality Bill.
As part of our future strategy, CasteWatchUK is now working with Parliamentary Outreach Team to present a half day free workshop as per attached programme. This workshop has been developed and will be delivered by the Houses of Parliament Outreach Service and is intended to provide a greater understanding of Parliamentary procedure including how laws are made and the work of Select Committees. This workshop would raise awareness about how communities can influence the process of law making. It should still be possible for us to ensure that “caste” is included as an amendment to the bill and appear in the new Anti-discrimination legislation.
Yours sincerely,
Davinder Prasad / General Secretary
COURTESY : http://www.ambedkartimes.com/Dr%20Ambedkar%20Societies.htm#ca
C.L.CHUMBER said
I GOT PRINTED COPIES OF THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/ IN 320 PAGES UPTO 30TH JULY , 2009 . I NOTICED THE BELOW WRITINGS IN THE BEGINING . THIS MAY BE FAULT OF THE SYTEM .
AS THE ISSUES ARE FIT FOR TO BE REPLIED AND TO DISCUSS . THEREFORE , I ANSWER AS BELOW :
geyamala said
June 15, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
this article is a clear manifestation of people who are trying to divide people on the basis of caste and history falsified to suit their needs.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : WHO BLOODY FOOL INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE LIKE DIVIDE AND RULE SYSTEM ? ATLEAST NEITHER THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS INVENTED IT NOR FAVOURED IT ! A POLITICIAN AND KING BRAHMA HAVING CAPITAL AT PUSHKAR NOW IN DISTRICT AJMER OF INDIAN STATE RAJASTHAN INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED IT .
( 2 ) instead of posting this type of nonsense and propagating hatred against brahmins who are no more ruling class.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : THE BRAHMINS ENDORSED THE CASTIESTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS ! THEY , INSTEAD OF HATING THE RAPISTS , DECLARED BRAHMA AND VISHANU LIKE AS GODS . THE BRAHMINS ARE STILL RULING INDIA THROUGH THESE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ! YOU MAY STUDY THE CABINET OF INDIA AND WILL FIND THAT KEY MINISTRIES ARE WITH THE BRAHMINS . THE BRAHMINS ARE RULING THROUGH EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIARY .
( 3 ) most of the land, power, industries are owned not by brahmins.
it is not brahmins who are pursuing two glass system in villages.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : THE BRAHMINS NEVER DO THE MANUAL WORK . THEY ARE PARASITE ON THE INDIAN SOCIETY . THEY SUCK THE SUBSIDIES IN INDUSTRIES ALLOTED BY GOVERNMENT . THEY EVEN AVAILED THE MINORITY GRANTS OF THE GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ARYA SAMAJ , RAMA KARISHNA MISSION AND MANY MORE . THE BRAHMINS MIGRATED TO CITIES TO AVAIL BETTTER FACILITIES .
( 4 ) it is not brahmins who demolished babri maszid and perpetrated killing of innocent muslims in gujarat.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : THE BJP , BAJRANG DAL AND BJP ARE THE OFFSHOOTS OF THE BRAHMINS DOMINATED RSS . THE BRAHMINS INSTIGATED OTHERS TO DEMOLISH THE BABARI MOSQUE AND KILL THE MUSLIMS IN GUJARAT !
THE BABARI MOSQUE WAS DEMOLISHED UNDER THE BRAHMIN PM MR. P.V. NARSIMHA RAO . HE WAS ENJOYING THE LIVE TELECASTE OF THE DEMOLISHING OF THE BABARI MOSQUE ! IS NOT TRUE ? WHY DID HE NOT SENT ARMY ON THE SPOT BY HELICOPTERS IMMEDIATELY ?
YOU DECLARED THE MUSLIMS AS INNOCENT KILLED IN gUJARAT . gOOD . BUT THEY WERE ALSO KILLED UNDER MR. A.B VAJPAYEE`S PRIME MINISTERSHIP . IS IT NOT TRUE ? WHY DID HE NOT SENT ARMY ON THE SPOT BY HELICOPTERS IMMEDIATELY ?
WHY DID NOT HE DISMISS THE ANTI-CONSTITUTION GUJARAT GOVERNMENT OF MR. NARENDER MODI ?
THE BJP`S IDEALOGUE MR. ARUN SHOURIE DECLARED IN A RECENT LOK SABHA ELECTION COMPAIGN RALLY AT AHMEDABAD THAT MR. MODI IS THE FUTURE P.M. OF INDIA . MR. ARUN SHOURIE IS A PUNJABI BRAHMIN !
NO BRAHMIN ORGANISATION EVER CONDEMNED MR. MODI FOR GUJARAT RIOTS UNDER HIS CHIEF MINISTERSHIP , DEMOLITION OF BABARI MOSQUE AND KILLINGS OF THE THREE THOUSAND SIKHS AT DELHI IN NOVEMBER , 1984 ! WHY ?
( 5 ) are multi billionaires like aishwarya rai who takes rs 6 crores to act in a movie belong to oppressed class?
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : THE CASTE IS BY BIRTH NOT BY PROFESSION . THERE IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CLASS AND CASTE . WHY IN THE NATIONAL DAILIES AND REGIONAL DAILIES MATRIMONIALS BRAHMINS PREFERS TO MARRY THEIR CHILDREN IN THEIR OWN VARNA ?
BABU JAGJIVAN RAM WAS A DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA AND HE UNVEILED THE STATUED OF DR. SAMPURNA NAND EX C.M.OF UTTAR PARDESH AT VARANASHI . THE STATUE WAS WASHED WITH MILK TO GET RID OF THE POLUTION CREATED BY THE MERELY TOUCH OF BABU JAGJIVAN RAM . WHY ?
WHEN DR. AMBEDKAR WHO WAS A PRINCIPLE IN A COLLEGE AT MUMBAI , HIS BRAHMIN PEON USED TO THROW OFFICIAL FILES TOWARDS HIM . WHY ?
( 6 ) it is not caste but the class that is to be taken into consideration.
THEN YOU HAVE TO BURN THE CASTIEST HINDU SCRIPTURES AND DISCARD THE CASTEIST HINDU GODS ! ARE YOU READY ?
( 7 ) check the data of people who commit atrocities and physical attacks on daliths and what is their caste.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : A FEW MINUTES AGO YOU WROTE ,” it is not caste but the class that is to be taken into consideration.”
geyamala said
June 15, 2009 @ 5:11 pm
bunts are not back ward caste people. they are rich and forward caste people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunt_(community)
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : EVERY NON-BRAHMIN CASTE IS NOT A FORWARD CASTE UNLESS THE ANNIHILATION OF VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM , BURNING OF THE CASTIEAST HINDU SCRIPTURES AND THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS MUST BE
BURIED DEEPLY .
THE INDEPENDENT RATIONAL AND COMMITTED GOVERNMENT MACHINERY MUST BE ACTIVATED TO IMPLEMENT THE CONSTITUTION PROPERLY !!!!!
ANITA GUPTA said
I am sorry to read that some one is threatening to kill another . Why ? This is not a civilized way . I condemn Mr. Rajashekar and appreciate Mr. R.K. Sharma who exposed Mr. Rajashekar . We may or may not agree with the reasoning of any one . But we should not threaten to kill .
I endorse Mr. Sharma`s demand that the administrator must register FIR against these crimininals and debar from the dialogue .
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 30, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
MR. RAJASHEKAR CONFESSED TO MR. R.K.SHARMA THAT HE THREATENED ME TO KILL ME MERCIFULLY IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
STOP THERE.
I have not confessed that I threatened you but as a matter of fact I made one thing clear that It is only to show my frustration AND NOT A THREATENING. So do not mislead the team. All these days you kept quiet and all of a sudden you are coming up with your malicious and misleading statements. Where did I say that I Confess. Show me you liar.
And for your question -WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
It is frustrating because you do not appear to have any sense of logic going by your irrelevant issues brought in to the discussion evasively to overshadow the main subject. IT MEANS YOU LACK ANY ANSWER OR YOU WANT TO ABSTAIN YOOURSELF FROM COMMITING ANY REPLY ON THOSE MATTER. OR TO AVOID ANY EMBARASSMENT, YOU REPRODUCE MY ORIGINAL TEXT AS IF IT IS A GREAT ART AND THAT TOO SELECTIVE PHARASE OF WORDS JUST TO MISLEAD THE PERSON GOING THROUGH THAT. AND THIS IS WHAT IS FRUSTRATING.HAVE YOU UNDERSTOOD MR.CHUMBER. SO BE BRAVE AND PUT UP YOUR FACE TO TAKE ALL IN GIVING BEFITTING ANSERS AS YOU CLAIM IN THIS BLOG INSTEAD OF ACTING COWARDLY AT TAKING REFUGE IN IGNORANCE.
I ALSO REMIND YOU OF YOUR CONVICTION THAT YOU DO NOT REPLY TO MY VIEWS. I APPRECIATE YOUR STAND FOR REVERSING YOUR CONVICTION WITH OUT GIVING A VALID REASON AND YOUR REPLIES THERE OF. BUT BY ATTENDING TO AND REPLYING TO MY SELECTIVE POSTINGS YOU ONLY ENDORSE AND CONFIRM THAT YOU DO NOT HONOUR YOUR OWN CONVICTION. THAT IS THE SATE OF YOUR MIND.YOU WILL COME OUT WHEN YOU FEEL THAT THE CATS ARE AT PLAY AND HIDE IN THE HOLE THE MOMENT YOU FIND YOU ARE WRONG . ISN’T IT CHUMBER?
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 30, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
MR. RAJASHEKAR CONFESSED TO MR. R.K.SHARMA THAT HE THREATENED ME TO KILL ME MERCIFULLY IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
rajashekar said
Miss Anita Gupta,
Please read the reply given to Chumber on 4.8.09. Hope that will give a reason for you change your concept.
ANITA GUPTA said
August 3, 2009 @ 7:44 pm
I am sorry to read that some one is threatening to kill another . Why ? This is not a civilized way . I condemn Mr. Rajashekar and appreciate Mr. R.K. Sharma who exposed Mr. Rajashekar . We may or may not agree with the reasoning of any one . But we should not threaten to kill .
I endorse Mr. Sharma`s demand that the administrator must register FIR against these crimininals and debar from the dialogue .
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
Sukra Charya said
August 2, 2009 @ 11:25 am
“..THE HINDUS OPPOSED THE EQUAL STATUS FOR THE DALITS..”
Chumber-ji,
In 1947, ALL the leaders had unanimous agreement that all Indians would be equal in the eyes of the law. Each woman would get EXACTLY the rights as a man. Dalits were to get the same rights as everybody else.
Can you show us ONE speech or ONE letter or ONE conference, where the equality of Dalits was opposed by any major freedom-fighter?
They also put this into practice. Jagjivan Ram’s status within Congress got elevated. He finally became the Defence Minister ! Where is the evidence for your statements?
Sukra Charya said
“PLEASE READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK …”
Chumber-ji, Ambedkar passed away in 1956 – MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS AGO. The world that Ambedkar lived in, no longer exists.
During this 50 years, thousands of SC/ST/Dalits have passed out as qualified Doctors, Engineers, etc. Many people of the other communities were affected, since their children were refused admission to the same colleges. But they made the sacrifice, and bore the burden, more or less willingly.
Whatever Ambedkar’s arguments were, facts and reality have made them IRRELEVANT. We can argue on facts and figures – not on Ambedkar’s emotions.
C . L . CHUMBER said
IT IS A MOST SAD NEWS OF A PROMINENT ENGLISH WRITER S. PATWANT SINGH`S DEMISE . HE DIED AT THE AGE OF 84 ON 8TH AUGUST , 2009 AT DELHI . ALMOST ALL THE ENGLISH , HINDI AND PUNJABI DAILY NEWS PAPERS OF 9TH AUGUST FLASHED THE NEWS OF HIS DEATH ON FRONT PAGES .
S. PATWANT SINGH`S BOOK ” THE SECOND PARTITION – FAULT LINE IN INDIA`S DEMOCRACY ” IMPRESSED ME VERY MUCH . I GAVE REFERENCES OF THIS BOOK MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG . THIS BOOK PUBLISHED BY M/S HAY HOUSE INDIA , DELHI ( http://www.hayhouse.co.in ) .
I HEREBY REPRODUCE THE ON FLAP OF THIS BOOK ,” INDIA IS THE WORLD`S SECOND-FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY , BUT ONE IN EVERY FOUR OF ITS CITIZENS LIVES ON LESS THAN A DOLLAR A DAY . WHILE THE NATION BOASTS OF HAVING MORE DOLLAR MILLIONAIRES THAN THE UNITED STATES. IT ALSO HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF MATERNAL DEATHS IN THE WORLD . INDIA , AN EMERGING GLOBAL POWER , IS A COUNTRY DEEPLY DIVIDED .”
WE PAY HOMAGE TO S. PATWANT SINGH RATIONAL ,DARING AND HONEST WRITER .
THE TRIBUNE , CHANDIGARH PUBLISHED AN OBITUARY ON 9TH AUGUST AS BELOW :
Patwant Singh (1925-2009)
An aesthete par excellence
Roopinder Singh
Suave, handsome, charming and a truly multi-faceted personality, Patwant Singh was the polished face of the Sikhs in the later decades of his life. He had, by that time, already earned a formidable reputation by writing on international affairs, the environment, the arts, and as a TV and radio commentator as well as a magazine editor.
Patwant Singh was born in New Delhi on March 28, 1925. He was educated in Delhi, after which he worked on construction sites. An urge to communicate his thoughts, and influence things around him, led to his becoming the publisher of the periodical The Indian Builder, in 1953, with which he started a career in writing and publishing.
He was always immaculately turned out and loved the good things of life. His house, in one of the nicest areas of Lutton’s Delhi, was very well appointed, full of books on literature and art, and it was a delight to hear him speak impeccable English. No wonder, he was much in demand as an orator. He lived with his wife, Meher Dilshaw.
Design, multidisciplinary journal edited and published by him, was a trailblazer when it came out in 1957. He wrote in various Indian newspapers, and his views were also published in the US’s New York Times, Canada’s Globe and Mail and the UK’s Independent.
His first book, India and the Future of Asia (1967), had the 1962 Sino-Indian War as a backdrop. The Struggle for Power in Asia (1971) sought to counter the biased Western perceptions.
Patwant Singh was the main person responsible for building Kabliji Hospital and the Rural Health Centre, near Gurgaon. He had a heart attack in 1977, but resumed normal life soon after.
It was after 1984 that he wrote on matters concerning the Sikhs and wrote the main article for the book Punjab: The Fatal Miscalculation (1985). The famous volume The Golden Temple (1989) was followed by Of Dreams and Demons (1994), a memoir and The Sikhs (1999).
Garland Around My Neck: The Story of Puran Singh of Pingalwara was co-written with Harinder Kaur Sekhon. In The World According to Washington: An Asian View (2005), he returned to the relationship of the West with Asia as a whole. Last year, he co-authored Empire of The Sikhs: The Life and Times of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, with Jyoti M Rai. With Patwant Singh’s death at the age of 84 on Saturday, an aesthete presence has left No. 11, Amrita Shergil Marg, New Delhi. Patwant Singh left an elegant mark on the world around him
COURTESY : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090809/nation.htm#6
ANITA GUPTA said
WE CAN NOT FEEL PROUD OF SUCH ” ProudIndian ” .
PLEASE READ ” ProudIndian ” `S SELECTED SERMONS AS BELOW :
1. A motherfucker like you can never do any good to your own people .
2. I might have been fortunate enough to be raised in a good soceity . ( An abuser born in a so called good society . ) .
3. I wont be surprised to know that you a motherfucking Mohammad fan sitting somewhere in Pakistan.
4 . All muslims are assholes ….
5. they fuck their sister in Burka
6 .Mohammad suck my dick …….Fuck you Paki
ProudIndian said
July 30, 2009 @ 9:48 am
You are the biggest asshole i ever came across. Its people of blocked mindset like you who spread the unwanted communal problems within the country. A motherfucker like you can never do any good to your own people. Rather than criticisng people, go and do some welfare for the upliftment of the dalit pople. Be assured that higher castes including Brahmins and Baniyas will come to assist you. You should be ashamed that because of people like you foreigners first of all like to know i a dark looking indian is dalit. You are shame to even those dalits who are progressing in their lifes. I might have been fortunate enough to be raised in a good soceity but i see that educated sections no more think on caste barriers ….its changing ..but not because of assholes like you but rather open mindedness of community in general.
Reply
ProudIndian said
July 30, 2009 @ 4:07 pm
I wont be surprised to know that you a motherfucking Mohammad fan sitting somewhere in Pakistan. Your characteristics resemble a dirty goofheaded muslim … All muslims are assholes …. they are the cause of most problems on this earth ..they fuck their sister in Burka ……. and they have wierd opinions like you have … Mohammad suck my dick …….Fuck you Paki
ANITA GUPTA said
IF MR. HAPPY HINDU IS PHYSICALLY AND ETHICALLY ALIVE , HE MUST REPLY MY QUESTION .
HE SHOULD PROUDUCE INFORMATION / DOCUMENT IN SUPPORT OF HIS CLAIM , OTHERWISE HE IS NO MORE ETHICALLY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 3, 2009 @ 6:04 pm
WHO IS DR. B.R.CHUMBER AND HIS PERMANENT ADDRESS ?
THE PUNJAB GOVERNMENT NEVER PUBLISHED THIS CHUMBERSMIRITY !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU LOST THE E-DIALOGUE ON THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK GODS AND THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! YOU ALSO LOST YOUR CREDITABILITY VERY WELL !!!!!
I HAVE SYMPATHY WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM MEMBERS !!!!!
hh said
You are a stupid person and i do not care to reply to you. I will reply in court.
Stupid Chumber, stop talking and just GO FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
I DARE TO CHALLENGE YOU IN THE COURT WHICH MAY GAVE JUDGEMENT AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS .
I AM WINNER IN THE E-DIALOGUE AND I WILL BE WINNER ALSO IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT !
MR. WISE HINDU , :” stop talking and just GO FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.”
hh said
August 18, 2009 @ 6:40 am
You are a stupid person and i do not care to reply to you. I will reply in court.
Stupid Chumber, stop talking and just GO FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
hh said
Then stop talking on this blog and GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
C.L.CHUMBER said
IT IS SAD TO INFORM THAT THE HINDU FUNDAMENTALIST RSS` OFFSHOOT BJP EXPELLED THE RENOWNED BJP LEADER MR. JASWANT SINGH FROM THE PARTY .
HE EXPRESSED HIS VIEWS ABOUT LATE KAIDE-AZAM JINNAH IN HIS BOOK RECEMTLY RELEASED .
THIS ESTABLISHES THAT THE RSS AND ITS OFFSHOOTS ARE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF EXPRESSION .WE CONDEMN IT .
WE APPRECIATE MR. JASWNAT SINGH FOR HIS RATIONAL AND DARING VIEWS BASED ON FACTS .
BEFORE THIS LATE MR. CUNNINGHAM WROTE A BOOK ” THE HISTORY OF SIKHS ” IN WHICH HE EXPOSED THE BRITISHERS FOR THEIR FOULS PLAYED IN THE ANGLO-SIKH WARS . HE WAS DISMISSED FROM THE HIGHER POST IN THE BRITISH ARMY . HIS BOOK EVEN AFTER 150 YEARS IS STILL A REFERENCE BOOK .
Jaswant Singh expelled from BJP
Wed, Aug 19 11:38 AM
Bharatiya Janata Party on Wednesday expelled senior member Jaswant Singh over his views on Pakistan founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah.
The decision was taken on the first day of the ‘Chintan Baithak’ of BJP in Simla.
Singh, from whose book hailing Mohd Ali Jinah, the party has distanced itself totally, was in Shimla but was staying put in his room of a different hotel from Peterhoff Hotel where the three-day ”Chintan Baithak” is being held.
The book ‘Jinnah – India, Partition, Independence’, holds former PM Jawaharlal Nehru and the Congress party responsible for the partition of India.
On the first of its three-day closed-door Chintan Baithak (introspection meeting), the party leadership is expected to discuss the Bal Apte committee report which has been prepared on the basis of inputs from states on the reasons for the poor performance of the party in the Lok Sabha polls.
The next two days will discuss the future course of action of the party, learning from the lessons of the recent Lok Sabha elections. The party top brass will also strategise on the forthcoming assembly elections in Maharashtra and Haryana.
The meeting is being attended by about 25 top BJP leaders including L K Advani, Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley.
(With inputs from Agencies)
Courtesy : http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20090819/1416/tnl-bjp-brainstorming-session-begins-jas.html
C.L.CHUMBER said
MY VIEWS ON MR. SHUKRACHARYA`S VIEWS AS BELOW :
Sukra Charya said
August 11, 2009 @ 2:13 pm
“PLEASE READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK …”
Chumber-ji, Ambedkar passed away in 1956 – MORE THAN FIFTY YEARS AGO. The world that Ambedkar lived in, no longer exists.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : DR. AMBEDKAR WROTE THIS BOOK IN 1945 AD . THIS BOOK IS STILL RELEVANT AND WILL BE RELEVANT FOR EVER . THIS BOOK RECORDED THE MISDEEDS OF THE CONGRESS AND ITS UNCHALLENGED LEADER MR. GANDHI . THE WORLD OF THAT TIME STILL EXISTS AND THE DALITS ARE COMPELLED TO EAT RATS IN ORRISSA STATE .
( 2 ) During this 50 years, thousands of SC/ST/Dalits have passed out as qualified Doctors, Engineers, etc.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : IT IS TRUE BUT CRORES AND CRORES DALITS ARE LIVING BELOW POVERTY LINE AND EVEN IN THE SLUMS . THEY HAVE NO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY OR SOCIAL SECURITY . THE PROGRESS IS NOT ACCOUNTED BY THE PROGRESS OF MICROSCOPIC PORTION OF SOCIETY .
( 3 ) Many people of the other communities were affected, since their children were refused admission to the same colleges. But they made the sacrifice, and bore the burden, more or less willingly.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : IF YOU REFER TO THE RESERVATION , IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL .THIS TOPIC HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES . NEITHER OTHER COMMUNITIES`CHILDREN AFFECTED NOR THEY SACRIFICED ANY THING . THESE COMMUNITIES WERE CRIMINALS WHICH MADE THE LIVES OF DALITS WORST THAN HELL . THESE COMMUNITIES TREATED DALITS AS UNTOUCHABLES .
( 4 ) Whatever Ambedkar’s arguments were, facts and reality have made them IRRELEVANT. We can argue on facts and figures – not on Ambedkar’s emotions.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : HAD YOU EVER READ AMBEDKAR ?
Sukra Charya said
“.. THE DALITS ARE COMPELLED TO EAT RATS IN ORRISSA STATE..”
Yes. But poverty is not their lot ALONE. Many other Indians, non-Dalits, are poor too. Much of the poverty can be attributed to the bad decisions made by our ELECTED leaders. Today, we are a lot better than in 1947 – vastly better. But we, as a society can and should do more for those who are poor. We should make a start by allowing all opportunities to all communities.
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“THEY HAVE NO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY OR SOCIAL SECURITY..”
Poverty is not their lot ALONE. Depriving others of their rights, abusing them as Manuwadis is not the answer. Holding some community answerable to a crime committed by their anscestors (several millenia ago) IS NOT THE ANSWER.
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“IF YOU REFER TO THE RESERVATION , IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL ..”.
Yes, fulfilling that Constitutional Promise did not come free. Some other child HAD to give up his/her rightful seat, so that a Dalit could attend College. I don’t see a whole lot of people who are complain after making that sacrifice.
What I see and hear, unfortunately, is the complaint of persons who benefitted by that sacrifice.
Does that not seem immoral to you?
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“THE PROGRESS IS NOT ACCOUNTED BY THE PROGRESS OF MICROSCOPIC PORTION OF SOCIETY..”.
Chumber-ji, One of the leaders most liked by you is Ms.Mayawati. Look at her priorities. The money spent on making statues is estimated to be US $500 million. In one of my earlier mail, I mentioned that she could have used that money to create the following:
1. College of Technology (Ambedkar College of Engineering)
2. College of Medicine (Ambedkar School of Medicine)
3. Management Institute (Ambedkar Management Institute)
But she didn’t.
Also, could not some of the money be used to help the dalits in Orissa? So, YOUR primary responsibility should be to elect a more responsible leader, who at least, has the interests of poor Dalits. Your response should NOT be one that asks other communities to make MORE sacrifices.
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..”HAD YOU EVER READ AMBEDKAR ?”.
I will, provided that you read the book “Worshipping False Gods” by Arun Shourie. And before, you damn Mr.Shourie as a Manuwadi, read the book. Mr.Ambedkar may not be here to defend himself – that puts me at a disadvantage. But Mr.Shourie is alive and you can question him on ANY aspect of the book.
Do we have a deal? A gentleman’s agreement?
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Sukra Charya said
“..NEITHER OTHER COMMUNITIES`CHILDREN AFFECTED NOR THEY SACRIFICED ANY THING ..”.
Really? I know for certain that in the state of TamilNadu, on one year, the results of those who got admission to the Medical college, was withdrawn. Why? Because too few SC/ST/Dalits had obtained admission. In a few days, a new list was published, in which most of the original students were missing.
Some of those students (i.e. from the original list) were from rich families and found other occupations. Several committed suicide. I understand that this reign of terror continues to this day.
Depriving any child of education is CRIMINAL. But depriving a meritorious child of his/her livelihood, is BARBARIC.
C.L.CHUMBER said
RSS` BJP AND SAD GOVERNMENTS ARE CHRONICALLY INFECTED BY THE MISMANAGEMENT DECEASE !!!!!
PLEASE READ THIS SENSATIONAL RESEARCH NEWS .
Punjab bleeding itself to stay afloat
Rs 400 cr worth of govt securities sold every month
Naveen S Garewal & Ruchika M Khanna
Tribune News Service
Money raised through sale of state development loans during the current fiscal
n April 2009: Rs 143.05 crore
n June 2009: Rs 500 crore
n July 2009: Rs 500 crore
n August 2009: Scheduled for auction on August 25 (expected to raise Rs 500 crore)
n Total money to be raised in this fiscal: Rs 5,000 crore
Chandigarh, August 24
Deprived of cash flow and faced with a huge subsidy bill, the cash-strapped Punjab government has virtually been selling off over Rs 400 crore of its government securities each month this year, in order to stay afloat.
Since January 2009, the Punjab government has raised Rs 3,458 crore by getting its state development loans (SDL) auctioned through the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). This is not all; Punjab plans to raise Rs 5,000 crore through selling its SDL during this financial year.
In this fiscal alone (since April 2009) Punjab has auctioned its state development loans worth Rs 1,743 crore. With the state government facing additional liability on account of the implementation of recommendations of the Fifth Pay Commission from this month onwards, the state will be raising Rs 500 crore through yet another auction of its SDL by the RBI on August 25.
In spite of the limited resources to raise money, Punjab has a huge annual subsidy bill of Rs 4,500 crore. With the power subsidy bill going up to an astounding Rs 3,142 crore (up from Rs 2,602 crore last year), and no signs of an increase in its revenue, the state is relying heavily on these SDLs to raise money.
Other than the power subsidy, the state government also subsidises the Local Bodies Department for octroi, sewerage and house tax, besides subsidising its populist ‘atta-dal’ scheme. While the government spending is on the rise, revenue growth is barely over 5 per cent for this year.
Talking to The Tribune, Punjab Finance Minister, Manpreet Badal, agreed that the huge subsidy bill of the state was responsible for such heavy borrowings. “Though we are within our prescribed borrowing limit of 3.5 per cent of the gross state domestic product (GSDP), the fact is that we will need more money this year as the power subsidy bill.” It is estimated that the power bill will increase by Rs 542 crore this year on account of increase in per unit cost of power by about 40 paisa.
Official sources in the RBI informed The Tribune that these state development loans are auctioned by various state governments to raise money for their development activities. Generally, banks bid for these loans as they are supposed to invest a certain prescribed percentage of their funds in government securities. Since this investment in government stocks is reckoned as an eligible investment in government securities by banks for the purpose of Statutory Liquidity Ratio (SLR), banks participate in these auctions. These stocks also qualify for ready forward facility.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090825/main1.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
ULTIMATELY , THE SUPREME COURT JUDGES HAVE TO TOUCH THE FEET OF THE PUBLIC OPINION !!!!!
Their lordships agree: Assets public
Posted: Thursday , Aug 27, 2009 at 0851 hrs New Delhi:
Supreme court
The SC judges has agreed to make details of their assets and wealth public via declarations on the court’s website.
Under pressure from within and outside the judiciary to declare their assets and wealth, judges of the Supreme Court on Wednesday took a historic step by agreeing to make these details public via declarations on the court’s website.
This comes two days after Chief Justice of India K G Balakrishnan said that in the absence of a law to make public the disclosure of assets, a consensus had to be developed among judges in this regard.
A senior judge who was present at the meeting today said: “The decision was taken after an unanimous view emerged among members of the bench to make the details public.” Another judge said it was decided by consensus that details of assets held by every judge of the Supreme Court would be revealed on its website.
Welcoming the decision, former CJI Justice J S Verma “congratulated” all the judges. “I am extremely happy that by taking this step, it will mean an end to the unsavoury debate engulfing the judiciary,” he told The Indian Express.
Earlier this month, the government was forced to defer introduction of a Bill in the Rajya Sabha that exempts judges from making public disclosures of income and assets. Most MPs, including some from the treasury benches, had objections to critical provisions of The Judges (Declaration of Assets and Liabilities) Bill.
The Bill seeks to make it mandatory for judges to declare their assets and liabilities to a ‘competent authority’ but says that such declaration would neither be made public, nor be questioned by any citizen, a provision the higher judiciary was seen as rooting for. This provision, contained in Clause 6 of the Bill, drew sharp criticism from the BJP and Left parties.
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Courtesy : http://www.indianexpress.com/news/their-lordships-agree-assets-public/507823/
haridas mandal said
Dear Friends
Going through some of the replies and answers thereon i tend to believe that time is ripe for civil war in this country . Till it happens and bring an end to Manuwadi Manhoos and their RAHMIN FIRST RAJ ( Not only Brahmins but those specimen Hindus who claim to have been born with a HIGH CASTE tag from the womb ) there is only two ways out to deal with those High Caste Manuwadi Manhoos :
a ) BC/OBC get merged into one LOWER CASTE and win all elections at all levels starting from panchayat to Lok Sabha. Then select their gladiators as judges, bureaucrats , Police/CVC/CBI/CID/Armed forces / paraMilitary Officers and key officials .
b ) Alternatively BC/OBC appx 75 % of the Hindu converts themselves to say Buddhism and india becomes a BUDDHIST country by default.And the Hindu ( Upper caste Hindus ) become the minority community akin to Muslims in India .
If this happen those Manuwadi Manhoos will be forced to toe the line of the majority community .
C.L.CHUMBER said
I AM OF THE OPINION THAT WE MUST UNDERSTAND THE GREATER INDIA OF I932 A.D. IN WHICH PAKISTAN , BANGLA DESH , BURMA AND SRI LANKA WERE PARTS OF INDIA .
THE MANUWADI MEDIA IS PROPAGATING ESPECIALLY AGAINST PAKISTAN AND BANGLA DESH DUE TO THE MUSLIM POPULATION OF THESE COUNTRIES .
THE GREATER INDIA OF 1932 A.D. MUST STOPPED THE MANUWADIS IN DEMOCRACY TO BE RULERS OF GREATER INDIA.
THE PAKISTAN AND INDIA WERE THE CRADLES OF THE ANCIENT INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION . INDIA ( WEST BENGAL ) AND BANGLA DESH ARE BANGLA SPEAKING AREAS . WE MUST READ THE LITERATURE OF THESE LITERATURE AND VICE VERSE .THANKS .- C.L.CHUMBER
Sukra Charya said
Many on this forum may be unaware of History. Here is a small section of an a bigger article written by Mr.Kanchan Gupta in Sunday Pioneer.
http://kanchangupta.blogspot.com/
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THE REAL JINNAH
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Like Jaswant Singh, I am neither a scholar nor a historian. But unlike him, I am the child of parents who suffered the horrors of Partition; my father arrived in India from East Pakistan with his widowed mother and four younger siblings, penniless and virtually with nothing more than the clothes on his back. He didn’t have the privilege of growing up in princely Jodhpur, nor did life afford him the luxury of pondering over the minutiae of the politics of Partition in the amiable surroundings of Nehru Memorial Library. Yet, I do not recall him ever expressing either rancour or regret. Even if he wanted to, my mother wouldn’t have let him. The struggle for survival rode rough-shod over any emotional struggle that might have peeked hesitantly in their minds.
And unlike Jaswant Singh, as well as many others who believe that Partition was a blunder, that India would have been one large happy family had the Radcliffe line not been drawn, that the Congress should not have persisted with its idea of India as one nation with a unitary system in which power would be concentrated at the Centre, that the Muslim League had a case when it argued for proportionate representation if not more for Muslims to compensate them for the loss of the power they wielded before the British took charge of India’s affairs, I belong to the minority which believes that Partition was the second best thing to have happened to us. The first was the failure of the ghazis to prop up a dissolute badshah in 1857. In his literally weighty tome Jinnah: India – Partition – Independence, Jaswant Singh obviously disagrees with this contention: “It was here in the middle of the 19th century that the symbol of our sovereignty was finally seized and trampled underfoot by British India.” Not everybody mourned that event, just as Hindus in Bengal were not terribly upset when Nawab Siraj-ud-Daulah was given the boot in 1757.
But that defeat of presumed Muslim supremacy in 1857 was not without significance. Rudely stripped of their status as a minuscule minority ruling over India’s vast majority, Muslims discovered salvation in separatism in the subsequent decades — first in terms of faith and culture, and later with the formation of the Muslim League in 1906, in Muslim identity politics. Jinnah did not gravitate towards the League then, but it was his natural home and he couldn’t possibly stay away for long. The “ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity” thought he could bargain for a slice of power through exclusivist constitutionalist politics, which he thought was his forte, but when Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi steered the Congress to mass politics, Jinnah, clad in Savile Row suits, scoffing whisky and munching on ham sandwiches, couldn’t quite see himself mingling with the unwashed masses.
Ironically, this is the man, who had little knowledge of Islam and even lesser respect for its core beliefs, who would emerge as the ‘sole spokesman’ of undivided India’s Muslims, or so he would insist on being known as; that was a platform he found convenient so as not to get pushed out from national politics by the Congress and its stalwarts, namely Jawaharlal Nehru and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. Yet, for all his rancid denunciation of Hindu majoritarianism, of Congress’s emphasis on centralisation of power, of everything that together shaped India and the Indian identity, he could never command cross-country Muslim support. Or else the Muslim League would not have to look for proportionate representation.
C.L.CHUMBER said
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSER CLUB !
I AS WELL AS THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com ARE READY TO PUT OVER CASE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT .
YOU ARE THREATENING US FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR BUT YOU NEVER FILED CASE IN THE COURT .
YOU SO MANY TIMES WROTE THAT YOU DID NOT HONOUR THE SUPREME COURT`S JUDGEMENT ON ” IDIOT ” .
FIRST OF ALL , THE COURT WILL ASK YOU AND WILL SEND YOU IN THE JAIL FOR DISOBEYING THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT .
PLEASE DO NOT BARK BY ABUSING US FREEQUENTLY . WHENEVER WE WILL MEET IN THE COURT PREMISES , THE PEOPLE WILL DEFACE YOU AS YOU WROTE THAT VALMIKI , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS WITHOUT ANY PROOF .
WE ARE READY FOR LEGAL BATTLE !
hh said
so where did my post go?
dalitnation,
you are a cheapskate bug seeking funds for your eyewash called ‘social engineering’. But you are so damn scared, you cannot even come out in the open or come to court. LoL
You better put back all my comments on. Or i will start a parallel blog to deal with your double-standards.
its funny that your website is a mouthpiece for a lunatic called chumber. lol.
C.L.CHUMBER said
JINNAH WAS ONCE COMMITTED TO A UNIFIED INDIA : SUDARSHAN
Indore: In the midst of the debate over Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s role in Partition, the former RSS chief, K.S. Sudarshan, has said that the Pakistan founder had “many facets” and that at one stage, he was with Lokmanya Tilak and was committed to a unified India.
“There were many facets to Jinnah. If you read history correctly, he was with Tilak and was committed to a unified India. If [Mahatma] Gandhi had insisted that Partition would not happen, then it wouldn’t have happened,” he said on Monday on being asked if the Muslim League leader was secular. On Jaswant Singh’s expulsion from the BJP, he said, “It is an internal matter of the party.” — PTI
COURTESY : http://www.hindu.com/2009/08/26/stories/2009082661910100.htm
All you idiots said
The Bunts are a primarily Tulu speaking Matrilineal Hindu Community hailing from southern coastal Karnataka and also the Kasargod district of Kerala, alternatively known as Tulu Nadu.They belong to the Nagavanshi Kshatriya order of lineage.
Clearly, Aishwarya Rai is not your “Shudra” sister. Wishful thinking though.
sacredcoakroach said
Extremism – weather by a Brahmin or a Dalit needs to be reprehended.
ANITA GUPTA said
THE DALITS ARE NEVER EXTREMISTS SOCIALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY .
THE BRAHMINS ARE EXTREMISTS SOCIALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY .
sacredcoakroach said
September 13, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Extremism – weather by a Brahmin or a Dalit needs to be reprehended.
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear Mr. Chumber ,
I appreciate you and the M/s https://dalitnation.wordpress.com for a missionary fight against the evils and evil persons in every field . I liked your daring challenge as below :
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR EVER TO THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
We are with you all who fight for human rights and human dignity .
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Dear Mr. C.L. Chumber ,
You fight for the justice in the justice department of India relentlessly through the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com with positive out put . You never bowed to the obstacles .
I congratulate you and the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com . God bless you both .
C.L.CHUMBER said
August 27, 2009 @ 6:38 am
ULTIMATELY , THE SUPREME COURT JUDGES HAVE TO TOUCH THE FEET OF THE PUBLIC OPINION !!!!!
Dilip Muralidaran said
Here is something very interesting.
1. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA
2. ANITA GUPTA
3. C.L.CHUMBER
All of them have overtly hindu names. All of them spew hatred on hinduism. All of them type names in CAPS (yelling to hide their meaningless crap) all the time. Now, why do i feel all three are the same person. Can Dalit Nation publish the IP’s of these three. Dont copy/Paste. take a screenshot and upload it on a post. I would love to see this.
Kench Mada said
Name: Kench Mada
Email: kenchmada@golla.com
Profession: Hunter and Gatherer
Address: Anekal Taluk, Banergutta Forest range
City: Bangalore
Pin: forest
Country: India
Message: Hallo Dear V T Rajshekar, Hope you are doing well. Your wife children and pets are doing well as well me hoping. I am scheduled tribe guy living as hunter and gatherer in Banergutta forest range and now planning to shift to either satyamangalam and Masanagudi forest. I am an avid reader of Dalit Voice internet edition. I can read in my blackberry in forest. Look how babasaheb works can be read in forest. thanks to BSNL although my network is reliance bania company. I dont read paper edition because paper will destroy trees and forest and it will impact my hunting and gathering. Now that said I want to tell you I have a brilliant idea which i think you should advertise in this greatest dalit voice. The best news magazine in the world and which is not toilet paper. Okay that said, i want to tell you this we need dalit entrueprenuers. I see many dalit people working and creating toddy.. I also love my toddy and other jungle brews. There is nothing like having toddy, looking at the stars and reading dalit voice in camp fire light in forest ahh what a delight. Nowadays other jungle fellows drink distilled whisky and also kingfisher beer owned by Mally – the evil manuwadi brahmin. Manuwadi brahmin are trying to destroy our drinks. That is what they did with rig vedic soma – they call it maduparka. But now manuwadi brahmin has attacked with Kingfisher. Even people in forest are drinking kingisher and brahmin mallya is becoming rich and owns aeroplanes. Aeroplanes have beautiful girls in short skirts who serve food, i heard. I am requesting Dalits to start branding and marketing toddy so that manusmrithi can be defeated. We need a toddy brand, the one i drink and which helps me get a great bowel movement in the morning. There is a big market for it and we can even patent the idea. Rajsheker sir i am hoping you publicise this idea so that we can defeat manuwadis and manusmrithi. I want to burn this manusmriti but i dont have a copy of one maybe i should borrow from you. Yours from the midst of the Jungle.
Findhow: Referred by Friend
Findwhich: Verrapan
C . L . CHUMBER said
* I AM NEITHER HINDU NOR SPEW HATRED AGAINST ANY RELIGION INCLUDING HINDUISM !!!!!
** MY NAME IS NOT HINDU NAME !!!!! MR. MAHITAB-UD-DIN , MANAGING EDITOR , THE QUOMANTRY PARDESI , CHANDIGARH `S NAME IS LIKE MUSLIMS BUT HE SAID TO ME ON PHONE THAT HE IS CHRISTIAN AND RUNS THE http://www.christianfort.com/ CHRISTIAN WEBSITE .
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I AM NEITHER HINDU NOR SPEW HATRED AGAINST ANY RELIGION INCLUDING HINDUISM !!!!!
MY NAME IS NOT HINDU NAME !!!!! MR. MAHITAB-UD-DIN , MANAGING EDITOR , THE QUOMANTRY PARDESI , CHANDIGARH `S NAME IS LIKE MUSLIMS BUT HE SAID TO ME ON PHONE THAT HE IS CHRISTIAN AND RUNS THE http://www.christianfort.com/ CHRISTIAN WEBSITE .
MY FULL NAME IS CHIRINJIV LAL CHUMBER MEANS LONG LIVE . IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS NAME !!!!!
I MAY WRITE MY NAME IN ANY STYLE . I AND SOME ONE OTHER MAY WRITE HER/HIS NAME IN ANY STYLE .
WHY DID MR.Dilip Muralidaran SAY ,” Can Dalit Nation publish the IP’s of these three. Dont copy/Paste. take a screenshot and upload it on a post. I would love to see this.” FOR THE THREE NOT FOR THE ALL MEMBERS OF THE HAPPY HINDU VAIDIK ABUSERS CLUB ?
MR.Dilip Muralidaran MUST CLARIFY THAT WHETHER HE IS SUPPORTER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GOGS OR NOT ?
Dilip Muralidaran said
September 17, 2009 @ 11:33 am
Here is something very interesting.
1. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA
2. ANITA GUPTA
3. C.L.CHUMBER
All of them have overtly hindu names. All of them spew hatred on hinduism. All of them type names in CAPS (yelling to hide their meaningless crap) all the time. Now, why do i feel all three are the same person. Can Dalit Nation publish the IP’s of these three. Dont copy/Paste. take a screenshot and upload it on a post. I would love to see this.
hh said
Chumber,
Chirinjiv (chiranjeev) is a Sanskrit for long-lived or immortal. The term is hindu, of hindu origins. Why are you having a hindu name, that too in an Indo-Aryan language?
Anyways, you provide the details asked from you and do ask dalitnation to publish its contact details.
Dilip Muralidaran said
The reason why i asked is because Chumber (the fellow with a hindu name) i suspect you are the one and the same person and commenting under different names.
C . L . CHUMBER said
The https://dalitnation.wordpress.com is open for the pro rapist , racist and fascist Gods` followers and the pro equality , liberty , fraternity and justice !!!!!
This website is also open for the Happy Hindu vaidik abusers club members !!!!!
hh said
September 17, 2009 @ 1:22 pm
its funny that your website is a mouthpiece for a lunatic called chumber. lol.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ALAS ! MR. HAPPY HINDU IS GOING TO START A PARALLEL BLOG TO HIGHLIGHT THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
THIS BLOG WILL BE OPEN FOR THE HAPPY HINDU VAIDIK ABUSERS CLUB !!!!!
hh said
September 17, 2009 @ 1:22 pm
dalitnation,
You better put back all my comments on. Or i will start a parallel blog to deal with your double-standards.
hh said
Its none of your business to interefere with i write to dalitnation. You provide the details asked from you. Then talk.
C . L . CHUMBER said
LET US DECIDE WHO IS EVIL ?
1 . RAM TOLD SURAPNAKHA THAT HE WAS MARRIED AND LAKSHMAN WAS UNMARRIED . ACTUALLY LAKSHMAN WAS MARRIED TO SITA`S SISTER . RAM`S LIE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RAVAN RAM WAR !!!!!
2. LAKSHMAN INTER COURSED WITH SURAPNAKHA BUT HE DID NOT FULL FILLED THE PROMISE TO MARRY WITH HER .THUS LAKSHMAN WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR RAVAN RAM WAR !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
I DEDICATE THIS WRITING TO MY REVERED FATHER LATE MR. PUNJAB RAI CHUMBER M . A . ( ECO. ) AND DIPLOMA IN RUSSIAN WHO WAS A GREAT HUMANITARIAN , RATIONALIST AND DARING PERSONALITY . – C . L . CHUMBER ( BASED ON VALMIKI RAMAYANA , LANGUAGE DEPTT. , PUNJAB , PATIALA AND THE GITA PRESS , GORAKHPUR .
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1 . RAM TOLD SURAPNAKHA THAT HE WAS MARRIED AND LAKSHMAN WAS UNMARRIED . ACTUALLY LAKSHMAN WAS MARRIED TO SITA`S SISTER . RAM`S LIE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RAVAN RAM WAR !!!!!
2. LAKSHMAN INTER COURSED WITH SURAPNAKHA BUT HE DID NOT FULL FILLED THE PROMISE TO MARRY WITH HER .THUS LAKSHMAN WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR RAVAN RAM WAR !!!!!
3. RAM BANISHED HIS PIOUS WIFE SITA WITHOUT ANY REASON . HE NEVER TOLD HER THAT SHE WAS BEING BANISHED .RAM WAS THE WORST EVER KING AS WELL AS HUSBAND .
4. RAM`S FOLLOWERS SAY THAT A DHOBI SAID THAT SITA WAS NOT HAVING GOOD CHARACTER . SITA PASSED THE AGANI TEST AT LANKA .
5. RAM WAS NOT HAVING GOOD CHARACTER . HE USED TO ALCOHOL , MEAT AND LADIES . SITA WAS AGAINST HIS UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES .
6 . WHY DID NOT RAM WAS READY FOR AGANI TEST LIKE SITA ?
7. SITA WAS NON-VIOLENT . HE PREACHED TO RAM AND LAKSHMAN TO ABSTAIN FROM THEIR WEAPONS ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE BOUNDARY OF THEIR EX KINGDOM .
8. RAM AND LAKSHMAN ROAMED WITH WEAPONS IN THE RAVAN AND HIS BROTHERS`KINGDOMS WHICH WAS ILLEGAL .
9. RAVAN TOOK REVENGE OF HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA . HE NEVER RAPED OR INTER COURSED WITH SITA .
10. RAM WAS THE INCARNATION OF THE RAPIST VISHANU .
11. RAM AND SITA LIVED MANY YEARS IN AYODYA AND IN THE FORESTS .THEY HAD NOT CHILD DURING THIS PERIOD .
12. SITA WAS PREGNANT AT THE TIME OF BANISHMENT . SHE SPOKE TO LAKSHMAN AT THE TIME OF HER BANISHMENT . WHO WAS THE BIOLIGICAL FATHER OF HER TWIN CHILDREN ?
13. RAM BANISHED HER PREGNANT WIFE WHILE HUMANIST ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI GAVE SHELTER TO SITA .
14. WHO WAS HUMANIST – ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI OR RAM ?
15. ADI-BHAGVAN VALMIKI NOURISHED RAM`S BANISHED WIFE SITA AND HER TWIN CHILDREN .
16. HE TRAINED SITA`S SONS LAV AND KUSH WHO DEFEATED CRUEL RAM AND HIS ARMY .
17.ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI DID NOT MISBEHAVED WITH SITA. WHY THE FOLLOWERS OF RAM SPREAD RUMOURS THAT VALMIKI WAS A DACOIT .RAM SAID THAT VALMIKI WAS A BHAGWAN .
18. THE VALMIKI RAMAYNA IS THE FIRST EVER SOURCE OF VALMIKI AND RAMA. IN THIS SCRIPTURE , VALMIKI WAS A RESPECTABLE LITERARY , RELIGIOUS , HUMANITARIAN , FEMINIST AND ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PERSONALITY .
19. WHY THE FOLLOWERS OF RAMA DEFAME ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI ?
20. IF SITA WAS CHARACTERLESS , THEN WHY THE FOLLOWERS OF RAMA WORSHIP SITA WITH RAM ?
21. DO IF A SHUDRA DO BHAKATI , THE SON OF A BRAHMIN DIES DUE TO THIS ?
22. RAMA KILLED PIOUS AND INNOCENT ADI-BHAGWAN SHAMBUK ON THIS PLEA .
23. RAMA WAS A CRUEL KING AND HUSBAND .HE DID NEVER BHAGATI .
24. NEITHER A RELIGIOUS PERSON CAN BE KING NOR A KING CAN BE A RELIGIOUS PERSON UNLESS HE / SHE DIE IN HIS/HER PREVIOUS LIFE .
25. WHY NOT VALMIKI IS BEING WORSHIPED WHO WROTE FIRST EVER WRITING ABOUT RAM . RAM IS UNBORN WITHOUT VALMIKI AND HIS RAMAYNA .
26. IF A CHARACTERLESS SITA ( RAM BANISHED HER DUE TO THIS REASON ) IS WORSHIPED WITH RAM , WHY NOT VALMIKI IS BEING WORSHIPED ?
( END )
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR.Dilip Muralidaran MUST CLARIFY THAT WHETHER HE IS SUPPORTER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GOGS OR NOT ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR HAPPY HINDU ,
ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSSINESS TO INTERFERE IN BETWEEN DALIP MURLIDHARAN AND ME . SO YOU CAN SIMPLY SEAL YOUR LIPS AND STAND ASIDE AND WATCH .
Dilip Muralidaran said
September 17, 2009 @ 11:33 am
hh said
September 28, 2009 @ 7:47 am
Its none of your business to interefere in between Chumber and me. So you can simply seal your lips and stand aside and watch.
hh said
When did i interefere in your conversation with Dilip?
You claimed that your name is not a religious name and i wrote to you, not to Dilip.
Instead of talking like a fool why don’t you just give the details asked from you?
C . L . CHUMBER said
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN THE INDIAN PARLIAMENT WILL PASS BILL AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
Dear viewers ,
As you know very well , we are fighting against the fascist , rapist and racist Gods and their evil present followers . The Korean legislature passed a bill against the racism .An Indian professor Bonojit Hussain ( 28 , Assam ) addressed the South Korean National Assembly at this time .
I am really happy to read and inform this constitutional achievement in South Korea .
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN THE INDIAN PARLIAMENT WILL PASS BILL AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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APPLAUSE FOR INDIAN VOICE TO ANTI-RACISM BILL IN SOUTH KOREA .
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com//artMailDisp.aspx?article=01_10_2009_011_013&typ=1&pub=722
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
September 29, 2009 @ 7:00 am
MR.Dilip Muralidaran MUST CLARIFY THAT WHETHER HE IS SUPPORTER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GOGS OR NOT ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE MUGALS , FRENCH , DUTCHES , ARABS ,PURTGESE AND BRITISHERS BROUGHT THE LANGUAGES OF THIR COUNTRIES . BUT THE INDO-ARYANS DID NOT BRING THEIR COUNTRY / COUNTRIES`LANGUGEA AS THE SANSKRIT IS NOT A LANGUAGE OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY EXCEPT OUR INDIA !!!!!
THE INDO-AYANS POSESSED OUR LAND AND LANGUAGE !!!!!
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October 6, 2009 @ 6:49 am
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear Mr. Chumber ,
Your fight against the rapist , racist and fascist Gods is really a global fight . The Indian Govt. and other human rights organisations must honour you .
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 2, 2009 @ 2:14 am
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN THE INDIAN PARLIAMENT WILL PASS BILL AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
hh said
Chumber alias Anita Gupta,
You want to be honoured? And that too by the Indian govt and Human Rights Organization? Wow!! You made my day. LOL. 😀
ANITA GUPTA said
A new research book confirms that the foriegn countries do not like our independent thinking habit and they want to think us according to their interests .
Dear Mr. Chumber ,
It is for your kind information that the Tribune , Chandigarh dated ) October 6 , 2009 published as news ” UK spy agency wanted to ‘get rid’ of Menon
Was gunning for Indian envoy due to his ‘pro-Soviet’ leanings .” as below :
” Britain’s spy agency MI5 made a determined bid to “get rid” of India’s first High Commissioner to the UK, VK Krishna Menon, because of his “pro-Soviet” leanings but failed due to strong backing from then Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru, according to a new book.
“The attempt to oust High Commissioner VK Krishna Menon failed because of the support of Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru,” the book – “The Defence of the Realm: The Authorised History of MI5″ – by Professor Christopher Andrew released today says.
” The matter was considered too sensitive to be recorded officially. But the book says Guy Liddel, a prominent deputy director general of MI5 had noted in his personal diary that he had told a joint intelligence committee that “they were doing what they would to get rid of Krishna Menon”.
” Menon was held in “deep distrust not only by the British spy agencies but also by TG Sanjevi, the head of independent India’s first domestic security service, the Delhi Intelligence Branch,” the book says.
” In 1933, the MI5, Britain’s military intelligence agency, had obtained a Home Office Warrant on Menon on the grounds that he was an “important worker in the Indian revolutionary movement” with links to the Communist Party of Great Britain.
” Fears of Menon’s pro-Soviet sympathies were well founded. On at least one occasion during his later political career in India, the KGB, former Soviet spy agency, paid his election expenses,” the book claimed. — PTI
Courtesy :http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091006/main6.htm
I hope this news will be valuable for our viewers .This is a new research book confirms that the foriegn countries do not like our independent thinking habit and they want to think us according to their interests .
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHO ARE ANTI-NATION ELEMENTS ?
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THE RSS` WEEKLY ORGANISER , NEW DELHI ENDING DATED OCTOBER 11, 2009 ( 15/32 ) HAD ALSO GRIEVANCES REGARDING THE MEDIA WHICH IS MOSTLY OWNED AND DOMINATED BY THE MANUWADIS .
THIS WEEKLY NEEDED HELP TO CREATE UNITY AND HARMONY . I REPRODUCE THIS WRITE UP SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE GRIEVANCES , UNITY AND HARMONY ARE IN THE EYES OF THE WEEKLY .
– C . L . CHUMBER
Media Watch
Media can help create unity, harmony
A few days before Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister YS Rajasekhar Reddy (YSR) was killed in a helicopter crash, The Hitavada (September 1) carried a Press Trust of India report from Hyderabad, the significance of which is best left to readers’ judgement. The report quoted Telugu Desam Party president Chandrababu Naidu as saying that the Rajasekhar government had “blatantly encouraged propagation of other religions atop Tirumala”. Naidu is reported to have said: “A man who has no faith in the Lord has been appointed as chairman of the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) affairs. What could be more sacrilegious than the government’s order that reduced the number of hills form seven to five, when Venkateswara was revered as ‘Lord of the Seven Hills’?”
The TDP president, according to PTI, said the YSR government has “deeply hurt the religious sentiments of crores of Hindu devotees who thronged the hill shrine every year”. Naidu, according to the report,”cursed YS Rajasekhar Reddy saying the latter would face the wrath of Lord Venkateswara (Lord Balaji), as he remained indifferent to the sacrilegious acts being committed in Tirumala”. Naidu is further quoted to have warned thus: “Lord Venkateswara is very powerful. Anyone who swindles the Lord’s funds or tries to deceive him by any means has not prospered. This is a proven historic fact. Such people will pay a heavy price in the long run….” The helicopter crashed three days later.
Incidentally, The Indian Express (September 5) was the only paper which revealed in an exclusive story that Reddy’s helicopter pilot, Group Captain Sunil Kumar Bhatia was “in a disturbed state of mind” because he had been “allegedly humiliated after he tried to expose ‘certain corrupt’ activities of the Andhra Pradesh Aviation Corporation (APAC)”. It is now more than two weeks since the exposure was made but nothing more is heard of it. According to the Express, “top sources” had disclosed to it “that Bhatia had personally handed over two representations to a serious IAS officer on the alleged corruption in APAC”. Shouldn’t there be a follow-up of the story?
Rajasekhar Reddy, however, has got high rating from our secular press. In an editorial (September 10) Mainstream wrote: “The universal outpouring of grief and sympathy cutting across political parties and subjective differences only highlight YSR’s unique stature not only in the state, but the country as a whole. It would thus be practicality impossible to fill the void caused by the sudden, unexpected and tragic demise of such an outstanding personality who reached the zenith of his popularity only a few months ago this year. A national loss indeed.”
On an earlier occasion, this column had reported a story of Muslim priests not only protecting, but serving a 900-year-old Shiva temple in Kashmir out of respect for the sentiments of Kashmiri Pundits who had been forced to leave their homes by the jehadis. While leaving, the Pundits had given charge of the Shiva temple to a Muslim friend Abdul Bhat who has apparently been taking care of the temple since 2004 with extraordinary devotion, to the extent of preparing prasad and giving it to any devotee visiting it on a daily basis.
To this lovely story can be added another that appeared in Deccan Herald (July 20), which said that “a temple dedicated to Hindu God Shiva in a village in Uttar Pradesh counts many Muslims among its devotees”. The story said that “not only do they take part in some rituals but also donate for community feasts during every festival”. The Pataleshwar Temple is in Bhambhruaa village of Rampur district, some 270 km from Lucknow. Muslims constitute almost 95 per cent of the 3,500 village population. The land for the temple was originally donated by Raza Ali Khan, the Rampur ruler in pre-Independence days and Muslims actively participated in the building of the temple along with their Hindu fellow citizens. A village resident, Habeeb Ahmed, 60, told the media: “We feel proud and privileged to have a temple that spreads the message of communal harmony and brotherhood.” Muslims take part in the aarti and also accept consecrated prasad. Every morning, Muslim join Hindus in cleaning the temple. Muslims voluntarily contribute to bhandara funds. What a lovely story!
Now comes another story in DNA (September 14). It seems two mosques, shops and several homes of Muslims were damaged during communal riots in Rashivde-Buduk village in Radhanagar taluk in Maharashtra. Of around 200 Muslim families in the village, apparently thirty decided to leave, for safer places. As news of their planned departure spread, several Hindu groups got into the act to give a helping hand to those who had lost their homes. The Hindus held a special meeting to raise money to help build destroyed homes and the Muslims, in turn, promised to ensure the release of four young men involved in the riots.
Much too often the media publishes only negative stories as if there is a permanent divide-a sort of Berlin Wall-between Hindus and Muslims or even between Hindus and Christians that is unbreakable. Most of the time our secular media people take great pleasure in damning Hindus as the villains, which gives them some vicious pleasure. Some years ago, there were a series of attacks against churches and blame was automatically laid against Hindus. Later it turned out that the attacks were the work of Islamic terrorists probably in the pay of Pakistan’s ISI, who felt that the best way to give Hindus a bad name was to attack churches.
This column would be happy to publish stories of goodwill between Hindus and all other communities, if only to show that we are not all barbarians. Then there is a comment made by a famous Islamic scholar, Maulana Wahiduddin Khan who made the point that wearing burqa “is not part of Islam”, and “nobody can enforce a dress code in the name of Islam”, which he said is “categorically un-Islamic”. As the Maulana saw it, “Burqa is part of culture, the culture that the people of the subcontinent have been following since ages.” The interview appeared in The Indian Express (August 21). One did not see the story in any other newspaper. The media can do so much to establish good relations between all communities but in this regard, one is sorry to say, it has largely failed. For our media bad news is good news.
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WHO ARE ANTI-NATION ELEMENTS ?
sky said
hi every body did you know god says in vedas ,shudra origin on my foot but shudra means ,uneducated,poor,,silky and stupid man/woman.not refer to any caste
vedas says
brahmins:knowledgefull,educated,wellmannered,vedas reader and believe in god
kshtriya:brave man ,powerfull man
viisya:buisness man
shudra: uneducated,poor man/woman
note:every people identified by own quality not caste
every people become a brahmin,kshtriya,shudra,vaishya
god does not make any religious,caste.
god makes a human,person
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C . L . CHUMBER said
RAM WAS A WORST EVER CRUEL HUSBAND AS WELL AS A KING !!!!!
Dear Happy Hindu ,
Every Ram bhakat blame Kaikayee for banishing Ram . In fact , she claimed her right for the dynastical rule to her son Bharat . You said ,” She is just a character without whom Ram wud not have proceeded to Lanka and killed Ravan. ” What a foolishnesh to justify the foolishnesses of the past . Then you admitted that she was also resposible for Ram and Sita`s griefs . Then why not the Ram bhakats burn the effigies of kaikayee as well as of Dashratha who banished Ram . Why was necessary to kill Ravan ?
We are not mafia . We are humanitarians . Please decide yourself about your credibility . We are staunch follower of Adi Bhagwan Valmiki . Every Ram Bhakat is against Valmiki and Sita to justify Ram`s foolishness to banish Sita as well as giving shelter to her by Valmiki !
You must admitt that Ram was a worst ever cruel husband as well as a king .
hh said
October 15, 2009 @ 2:53 am
hh said
Chumber,
Just come to court and prove anything you want to.
What you are indulging in is inflammatory speech to serve two purposes – 1) promote yourself as a politician and 2) cause sedition.
All this stupid talk on ramayana is just an excuse.
You have absolutely no genuine concern for the downtrodden. If you do, come to court and prove it.
amit said
what an idoit you r
C . L . CHUMBER said
MADAM ANITA GUPTA IS RIGHT BUT THE MANUWADI GOVT. CAN NOT HONOUR THE HUMANITARIANS .
THE BRITISHERS HANGED THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS .
THE NEW GOVT. HONOURED THESE MARTYRES .
THE NEW GOVT. DO NOT HONOUR THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF THE MOVEMENT FOR THE SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION AND ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION OF THE BAHUJANS .
THIS IS A FIGHT FOR THE DIGNITY .
hh said
October 7, 2009 @ 9:14 am
hh said
Lol 😀 But Chumber according to you freedom fighters are communal people.
Just cut your barking, provide your details and come to court.
You have absolutely no genuine concern for the downtrodden. If you do, provide your details, come to court and prove it.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
This is a very interesting article in which I am going to expose the conievance between the money , mafia and media . Due to some family programmes , I could not concentrate on it .Next week I will submit it partially .
It is our ethical duty to expose the evil elements so that the entire society may be healthy , wealthy and peaceful based on the equality , equity , quality , liberty , fratenity and justice .
We must bear in mind that the people are watching us minutly . They can not make obstacles in the way of the evil forces until they do not get the unique leadership . We must lead the masses whatever may be .
On the eve of the auspicious natural festival Diwali , I wish you all the humanitarian good wishes and I hope that one this day will be celebrated as the downfall of the manuwadis .
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 9, 2009 @ 3:13 pm
WHO ARE ANTI-NATION ELEMENTS ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
If the RSS wish to unite humanity on equality , quality , equity , liberity ,fraternity and justice , then its leadership must discard their evil Gods and the caste system . Its leadership must replace its evil Gods by the humanitarian Gods , Gurus and modern humanitarian leaders . Its leadership must preach against the evil Gods and the caste system . Its leadership must propogate and enrole the new membership only for the intercaste / intervarna married persons to annihilate the caste / varna system .
Its schools must be reserved for the intercaste / intervarna married teachers and other staff and the children born to the intercaste / intervarna married couples . Its and its off shoots`office bearers must be intercaste / intervarna married persons .
Its monoply of the Brahmins must be neutrolized !
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 9, 2009 @ 3:13 pm
WHO ARE ANTI-NATION ELEMENTS ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
The RSS` official weekly the Organiser dated October 18 , 2009 published an article titled ” America, a whiff of Hindu By Brad Pfeiffer “.
I will comment later on .
Thanks. – C.L.Chumber
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Opinion
Hindus believe that there are many paths to God. America has conceptually become more of a Hindu society than a Christian society. About 65 per cent of Americans believe that many religions can lead to eternal life. Pew Forum Survey showed that 37 per cent of White evangelicals claim to believe that, too.
Cultural hardliners such as those who wish to impose one religion on all of America are often struggling with some kind of personal insecurity, are politically or financially motivated, or are just confused or manipulated. Cultural and religious diversity should be treated as a strength.
But at the dance hall a while back, a friend told me that he used to be religious until he took a philosophy course in college. I could relate to that. History and cultural studies often have a similar effect. All those early Greek and Roman gods must have been pretty important at one time, but most of us pass them off as mythology these days. In fact, I’d say that most of us are atheists when it comes to gods and goddesses like Zeus, Athena, Poseidon, etc. Over the history of man, I suppose that thousands of different religions have come and gone.
In the August 24 and 31, 2009 issue of the Newsweek, I was drawn to an article by Lisa Miller titled “We Are All Hindus Now” (http://www.newsweek.com/id/212155).
Hindus believe there are many paths to God. By Ms Miller’s interpretation, America has conceptually become more of a Hindu society than a Christian society. She refers to a 2008 Pew Forum Survey which shows that 65 per cent of us believe that many religions can lead to eternal life. The survey showed that 37 per cent of White evangelicals claim to believe that, too.
I’m really not surprised by that last fact, although I wonder if we’d get the same results if the poll were to be taken here in Heber Springs. Around here, there seems to be an abundance of shirtsleeve Christians who preach that the only way to get eternal life after death is by believing in Jesus. In fact, these zealots say that you will burn in hell if you don’t believe in Jesus.
I don’t claim any personal knowledge about these things, and of course, religious matters are beyond the realm of scientific testability. So it’s certainly understandable why rationalists tend to shrug their shoulders and move along with eyes glazed over.
Nevertheless, religion is undeniably important because, for one reason, it is so often used by politicians to manipulate behaviour.
According to Ms Miller, “Christians traditionally believe that bodies and souls are sacred, that together they comprise the ‘self,’ and that at the end time they will be reunited in the resurrection.” OK, maybe I slept through that part of my Lutheran indoctrination. But Hindus believe no such thing, Ms Miller explains, and burn the dead body on a pyre. The spirit escapes and gets reincarnated in different bodies. Since 24 per cent of Americans now say they believe in reincarnation and more than a third of Americans now choose cremation (up from 6 per cent in 1975), Ms Miller sees more evidence that we are becoming more like Hindus.
I told my wife that if I die before her, she should cremate my body or donate it to one of the medical schools. If I could be ground up and converted into some kind of feed, fertilizer or clean-burning fuel that would be fine with me, too.
I just want to be useful after my death. These ideas aren’t based on any religious belief, but rather my very conservative nature. I know that’s a damaged label these days, but I’m talking about “conservative” in the proper and good sense of the word.
You see, I think I will hate waste as long as I exist. I’m the guy who gets ticked off when my guests throw away perfectly good food or drink. So I can’t see why my wife should spend lots of money over my death, putting thousands of dollars into a grave plot, stone, casket, service, etc. I’d rather see her use our money to help her sustain a comfortable lifestyle-something she deserves from years and years of hard work and putting up with me.
Though I won’t give two hoots to support anyone’s superstitions, I try to be respectful (as you can tell) since religious matters are very important to many people.
I’ve thought for a long time that we can learn and open our minds by studying various cultures and religions. America, after all, still thrives on cultural and religious diversity, in spite of the Religious Wrong culture warriors. It seems to me that those who try to impose their own cultural narrowness on all of America do us no favours.
My impression is that cultural hardliners such as those who wish to impose one religion on all of America are often struggling with some kind of personal insecurity, are politically or financially motivated, or are just confused or manipulated. I see cultural and religious diversity as a strength.
If more Americans are turning to Hinduism, maybe it’s a good thing: The Hindus I’ve met are all very kind, humble and polite people. In contrast, it seems that I’m too often snubbed and/or called by nasty names by self-identified Christians who clearly project an air that they are too good to associate with me. Of course, there are all types of Christians and I certainly would not condemn an entire religion based on some very rude people, no more than any rational person would condemn all of Islam because of the bad apples that hit us on 9-11. But I do remember from Lutheran school that we were taught to be civil and well behaved because our behaviour, we were told, was a reflection on the church, a valuable lesson.
(The writer is one of the local contributors to Progressive Voice, a “liberal viewpoint” column which runs each Friday and can be contacted at http://www.thesuntimes.com)
COURTESY : http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=313&page=8
C . L . CHUMBER said
C.L.CHUMBER said
January 27, 2009 @ 3:36 am
ARJUNA AFTER A SACRED BATH , TURNS INTO THE BEAUTIFUL ARJUNI WHO THEN CONSORT WITH KRISHNA !”
THE HINDUSTAN TIMES ( 25TH JAN.,2009 ) PUBLISHED A BOOK REVIEW BY ASHOK ROW KAVI ON ” BEYOND BOUNDARIES -SAME SEX LOVE IN INDIA ” WRITTEN BY RUTH VANDITA ,SALEEM KIDWAI ( PENGUIN * RS. 295 * PP 370 ) .THE HEADING OF BOOK REVIEW IS ” GAY , AND LOVING IT – FROM SHIVA TO BABUR , THIS BOOK UNCOVERS INDIA`S OFT-DENIED HOMOSEXUAL PAST .
THE REVIEW RECORDS ,” Here , for the first time , Ruth Vanita takes a deliberate and determined look at Hindu sacred literature to pry open the amazing array of same-sex loving deities .The birth of Skanda ( from the root Skjandri which means leap or spilled ) Kumara , Murugan is clearly explained as as a birth from SEX BETWEEN TWO MALE DEITIES . The highly promiscuous Shiva is shown as not only having a wife Parvati who gives birth to Ganesh parthenogenetically ( without the need for male semen ) , but spills semen into another male god , Agni , who in turn finds it too hot to handle .
” Everything from ” Sikhandi`s Sex Change ” in the Mahabharta , to the secret Chapter in Padam Purana that orthodox Hindus refuse to accept because it shows a powerful relationship between Krishna and Arjun , is going to upset the VHP hot heads . The translation by Kumkum Roy , that Ruth only quotes , not comments on , is an impeccable one – Arjuna after a sacred bath , TURNS INTO THE BEAUTIFUL ARJUNI WHO THEN CONSORT WITH KRISHNA !”
Courtesy : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/it-industry-is-on-the-downslide/
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS ,
THE POLITICAL PARTIES OF STATUS QUO ARE KILLING THE POOR BY INCREASING THE PRICE OF THE KITCHEN COMMODITIES .THEY HAVE NEITHER A WILL POWER TO CONTROL THE PRICES NOR NAB THE BLACK MARKETERS .ACTUALLY , THESE STATUS QUO POLITICAL PARTIES ARE CONSTITUTIONAL TERRORISTS . THE JUDICIARY HAS BEEN EXPOSED WHEN ITS JUDGES HESITATED TO MADE PUBLIC THEIR ASSETS .THE LEGISLATURE TRIED ITS BEST TO CO-OPERATE THE JUDICIARY IN THIS MATTER OF DECLARING ASSETS BUT IN VAIN .
THE STATUS QUO POLITICAL PARTIES ARE THE STOOGES OF THE MONEY , MAFIA AND MEDIA .NOW THE TRADERS AND THE BIG FARMERS ALLIANCED TO DISLODGE THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONTROL OF THE PRICES OF THE FOOD GRAINS . IF THE GOVT FAILED TO DO ITS CONSTITUTIONAL AND ETHICAL DUTY FIRMLY , THERE IS EXPECTED THE CIVIL WAR FOR FOOD , WATER , AND HEALTH SERVICES . WE MAY NAME IT ‘ INDIAN REVOLUTION ‘ LIKE THE FRENCH REVOLUTION .LET AND LIVE LET . – C.L.CHUMBER
NO IMMEDIATE RELIEF FROM PRICE RISE : PAWAR
GOVT PINS HOPE ON RABI HARVEST
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, November 4 ( 2009 )
Even as the common man grapples with unprecedented rise in cost of food items, the UPA government today more or less accepted that there was no immediate solution to the problem in sight and people may just have to wait for at least three to four months for rates of essential commodities to climb down.
Expressing concern over inflation in food prices with the production of staple items taking a hit due to drought and floods, Food and Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar assured the Economic Editors’ conference in the Capital that the Union government had taken several steps to control the spiralling prices of commodities. But he was quick to add that prices will not come down before three to four months, hoping that Rabi (winter) crops will come to the country’s rescue after a not-so-good show in the Kharif season.
Asked if he saw food prices easing over the next three months, Pawar said: “It’s difficult to say if the food prices will come down in the next three to four months. But the situation will change once the Rabi crops are harvested. We have taken measures to augment production in Rabi to partially offset losses in Kharif. Improved soil moisture due to late monsoon rains has improved the prospects of the Rabi crop”.
Pawar in a way contradicted Congress leaders, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who have been saying the worse is over. Trying to wriggle out of the sticky situation arising out of Pawar’s statement, Congress spokesman Shakeel Ahmed tried to pass the buck on state governments and said the Agriculture Minister’s statement was being “taken out of context”.
“He (Pawar) just talked of ground situation. Cost of production, fertilisers, seeds have all gone up. We cannot tell farmers that even though input costs have increased they should still sell their produce at a lesser price. There is a huge gap between the CPI and the WSPI,” he said, asking state governments to reduce the gap by discouraging hoarding.
According to the government data, wholesale prices of food articles went up by about 13 per cent year-on-year for the week ended October 17. Pulses rose sharply by 23 per cent. Pleading helplessness in the face of rising prices, Pawar said only a bumper harvest in next season will protect consumers from inflationary trends.
At present, the food production scene is not good. The country’s rice production is projected to slump by over 15.13 million tones (MT) to 69.45 (MT) this year after paddy crop was ravaged, first by drought and later the unexpected floods. In fact, production of all major Kharif crops, barring cotton, is slated to slide, as per figures released by the Agriculture Ministry on Tuesday.
As per the government’s first advanced estimate, the country’s rice output will decline by 15.13 MT this Kharif marketing season from 84.58 MT last year. Similarly, production of coarse cereals is projected to decline to 22.76 MT this Kharif from 28.34 MT a year earlier. Maize will be down to 12.61 MT from 13.90 MT, Jowar 2.55 MT from 3.10 MT and Bajra 5.83 MT from 8.83 MT.
Pulses output is estimated to fall to 4.42 MT from 4.78 MT last KMS, while oilseeds production reduce to 15.23 MT from 17.88 MT. Sugarcane will be down to 249.48 MT this season from 273. 9 MT in the last season. Only the cotton production will go up to 23.66 million bales of 170 kg each this year from 23. 15 million bales of last year.
The first official estimate of sown area and production of crops during the Kharif season, which otherwise is out by September, had got delayed this year due to drought and later floods. Officially called ‘first advance estimates’, the process is necessary to form a strategy for different crops during the Rabi season that follows Kharif. This year’s first advance estimate assumes even more significance as summer-sown crops have been affected adversely by a dry monsoon.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091105/main1.htm
C . L .CHUMBER said
THE RESERVATION MUST CONTINUE AS LONG AS THE CASTE IS NOT ANNIHILATED
Dear Sarang ,
We do not want reservation in cricket or in govt. jobs if the bent of minds of the selection committee is not manuwadi .There must be no public schools so that the students may read in the same governments schools.There should be no tution centres and coaching institutions .The manuwadis and their govts. still issue awards in the name of Arjuna who was not meritorious as compared to Eklavya . The manuwadis and their govts. still isuue awards in the name of Daronacharya who did not permitted addmission to shudra Eklavya .When the great Eklavya self studied and was perfect more than Arjuna , the manuwadis cutted off his right hand’s thumb to made him handicap .
First of all , Shiva ji’s deceadant Shahu ji Maharaj of Kohlapur ( Maharshtra ) implemented reservation for the non-Brahmins on 26th July , 2001in his state Kohlapur .Then Mr. M.K.Gandhi and Dr. Ambedkar signed a pact on 24th September , 1932 at Pune to admit the untouchables / SCs as part of the Hindus and reservation for them in govt jobs .The reservation is not a concession to this class .This is the share of this class in the jobs .
THE RESERVATION MUST CONTINUE AS LONG AS THE CASTE IS NOT ANNIHILATED
sarang said
November 16, 2009 @ 7:55 am
So brother you want reservation in the cricket
OK cancel the reservation in the gov. job or in education any one of them
& take it in cricket.
Note: Jab koi compitision se darta hai tab reservation ki bat karta hai,
Reservation Ke 60 sal ho gai hai aur kitnr sal hona
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear readers ,
It is a matter of joy that the Google research flashed the esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com at the top for its daring and visionary writings under title ‘ rapist , racist and fascist Gods .’ I thank the members of the Happy Hindu abusive Indo-Aryan Vedic club who participated in this discussion and they showed us that they loved and respected their rapist , racist and fascist Gods still in the 21st century .
We hate the rapists , racists and fascists as our constitution and laws of the land declared these evils illegals .
Link: http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=rapist,racist+and+fascist+Gods&start=0&sa=N
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MAD said
Its a great laughter medicine.
Radhey Sham has best solution . To marry all rich bunts.
What a jhunt he is
utkarsh said
hahahahaha…………aise chutiya …mukti dilayenge ..dalito ko brahmins se…hahaha…nice post gandu …..mera bharat mahan ….lund ka baal ..bhenchod ….aishwarya chudgayi…UP ke londe se….ab chaat uski photo ko baith ke….hahhaha
utkarsh said
saale tambi…aishwarya rai ko tu apni bhen manta tha…hahahaha..poora desh …aishwarya ke naam ka mooth marta hai bathroom mai..tu desh ka pahla launda hoga joh….aishwrya ko apni bhen manata hoga…..saale …aise chutiyo ki wajah se yeah haal hai tumhaaraaa……bhrahmino ki wajah se nahi ….
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear A.& B.C. etc. ,
Are you staunch follower of the ‘ kurhichod ‘ Brahma ‘ ? I am a Chamar by birth , it is true . And you know me very well but you could not dare to disclose his name . You people do not know that the moderate brahmins are doing intercaste marriage with chamars , mahars and other ex-untouchable castes . Baba Sahib Ambedkar was the son-in-law of the brahmin community . Therefore , you are sala of the Mahar / chamar .
Please let me know your home address so that I may meet you to dialogue .Please do not stand behind the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and their followers as it is illegale which may put you behind the bars .
Ek Alhad Bhartiya said
Ek chutiya dalitnation kam tha kya, joh dusra chutiya C L Chumber bhi aa tapka gaand ragadte hue. Lagta hai jab Paagalkhana Agra se bareli shift hua tha, 2-3 paagal farar ho gaye ….
shashank said
usme me tu aur tera baap tha jo itna suar jaisi tatti paida ki….
Kavya said
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
Arpitha Shetty said
What a crap piece of info..Am a “Bunt” we are not Dalits (just fyi )
BTW who V.T. Rajashekar? looks like some Idiotic fool who wants to bring up fight by talkin all this shit..
the_king_of_the_future said
exllent work! i am your true follower. i will do whatever it takes to win this battel. and THE WORLD WILL SEE.
Mahesh said
I am a Bramin and I would give anything for the sake of Aishwarya. She is my dream Goddess. It doesn’t mean anything to me if she is from a Dalit caste. I love and adore her.
She has set herself up in the competitive atmosphere of Bollywood.
Forget her caste identity. She belongs to all the Indians.
Abhishek has cheated all of us.
Previously Salman tried to cheat us all. Then came vivek oberol.
I Love aishwarya and I madly love aishwarya. and I madly in love with aishwarya.
She is my Goddess. She is my Goddess. She is my Goddess.
Mariam said
I’m an Iranian who really loves Aishwarya Rai as an actress and humanitarian. I’m really shocked that you Indians fight among yourselves like this over caste. If anyone would see any of you on the street, to them you’re Indian. This caste rubbish has been invented to divide and rule you. Neither of you is any better than the other unless you prove it with your good deeds, like Ash had done. The world admires India as a democratic nation; please keep it that way!
sachin said
Brahmins always ruled… In cricket nearly 90 percent players are brahmins… Our Hindu country is ruled by Brahmins… It will be ruled by Brahmins in future also…. All other Hindu castes are lower… so Brahmin rules Hindustan…
Swathi said
Explains the resentment on brahmins doesnt it?
Kshatriya Vansh said
Moghuls raped your ancestors and killed them. I’m so grateful for that.
I Hope the same fate is bestowed upon you.
Vegetarian cunt.
lucky said
It’s no use writing or talking any sense on this page. Never seen a page where only the initiater is abusive close minded and ignorant and most of the writers are very sensible and knowlegeable. I just want to add that this is an undisputed fact that WOMAN are still exploited LOT all over the WORLD. The acknowlegded fact is also that their condition is INHUMAN in muslim/dalit societies, where they are treated worse than even animals.
FACTS DON’T CHANGE AND WE DON’T BECOME RIGHT BY WRITING CRAP LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO CHANGE TO BECOME RIGHT.
Kamal said
Most disgusting Post ever read in my life. The writer has no idea about caste system and seems outsider of India. He doesn’t belong to this country and should be hanged As soon as possible.
Kavitha said
What a load of bull shit.
Panaiyadi Chozhan said
Dear “Dalit Nation”:
I admire your courage.
You have raised many important fundamental issues that
relate to the oppression of Dalits (untouchables or “pariahs” as
they are called in South).
I would like all the non-Dalit members subscribing to
this blog to appreciate the fact the Dalits have been
treated like animals (often worse) thousands of
years, and only now there is a bit of awakening among them.
If there is anything you can do, please encourage them to educate themselves, work hard and cooperate amongst themselves,and offer any help. It will also help if you acknowledge all the atrocities done against them all these years.
If we are worried about the country (India with a casteless society), then we must do everything to improve the conditions of Dalits.
– Panaiyadi Chozhan.
akshya said
no uppercaste , no lowercaste ,all come under one nationality that is Indian
Naaman said
Hello Everyone,
I have one simple question for all the scholars who have put their views regarding caste, marriage, racism, caste differences, “snubbing”, religious hierarchy etc. WHAT IS CASTE ACCORDING TO YOU ALL? Its just a silly fence which is confining us to ridiculous terminologies and silly hatred. Please everyone, My humble request is we all should live as “HUMAN BEINGS” and hail Humanity rather than indulging in the so called CASTE and RELIGION. Let the generation ahead at least feel at ease from all these constraints.
We created these hand cuffs called CASTE and RELIGION. Only we can destroy them and we cant expect someone to come from a different planet to do this. posting these kind of silly and celebrity centric valorizations.
“Think of caste, you can breed only caste, Think of Religion, you can breed only religion, BUT think of Humanity you can breed a better soceity.”
– Naaman, an Indian.
Always an Indian.
Indian said
You are a cowardly Muzzie trying to divide the Hindus. Your plan will never work out. Go out get a life , you dips**it… What kind of a F***ed up article is this? You guys invaded us ,and destroyed our culture and temples. We know the truth.
There is nothing called Dalit. Even we are brothers , and we have the same rights as the upper castes. The Democracy of India is greater than all other customs. Everyone is equal before law. Brahmins, Reddys , Shettys, everyone. In this 21st century its just a name. Its no more a power in society.
Greatness comes with wisdom and contribution to society, and not because of caste.
Dont fall into this evil person’s trap people…
rr said
Aiswarya kya tu to apani maa ka bhi coot ka deewana hai. sale dunia coot
nahi hai re madar chood
Ranjan Shetty said
First of all, I want to clear this thing that Bunts are not shudras or dalits. The word bunt means soldier in Tulu language( local language used in dakshina kannada district( mangalore, udupi etc.). Bunt community is considered in open category & according to the above written crap, if bunts are shudras, then we would have got every facilities that government offers like reservation quotas in jobs,education etc. If you have no idea or information about what you are writing then dont write anything according to your imagination. try to get full information, then write.I came to know that in Maharashtra, there is community called as bund community(comes under shudra)of maharashtra which is misconcepted as bunt community of south by the half knowlege people. Bunts are basically farmers & considered as important community after brahmins. Many rulers from bunt community ruled coastal part of karnataka in the past. So stop writing anything bullshit
midhali said
dont write dont crap here…………first of all know what bunts are basiclly…
i vil ***k u if u dont remove this article………….
Elden Edmonston said
Excellent share it is without doubt. My teacher has been searching for this update.
Veer Singh Jatav said
Bahenji Rocks!!
I am a Jatav by caste, same as of Mayawati. I consider after Babasaheb the next Dalit Icon was Kanshiram and then there is Mayawati. These 3 people are the only one who have made great difference in the psychology of Dalits. UP Rocks.
BSP Jindabad. Mayawati. future PM of India. 🙂
UP hue hamari hai ab Delhi ke bare hai…. 🙂 🙂
Kohinoor said
Hahahahaha…..dumb dalitnation. Look what will happen to our country if we keep on giving reservations to these people. They dont even have complete knowledge on anything.Comeon bunts they are referring you to be sudras (everyone knows who bunts are!) you all should sue these guys. But i think the reservations will have something for them, To protect their weak intellect they might prove Bunts to be guilty since they are open catagory….
These people can get job only in goverment sector where they enjoy their reservations. But in more demanding Private sector, where you need to be talented and hardworking, they wont last in the race.
Sadly for them! they dont have reservation quotas in foreign countries..
Baba Saheb Amedkar was one and only sane person in their community
ijswamy said
Rai is a surname which indicates the caste called Bhumivar Brahmins . Harvansh Rai Bacchan Amitabh`s father also belongs to the same caste .
The Mindset said
Entertaining post
you should be a comedian in the film industry
try circus…you will get a job of JOKER for sure
hahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahah
really enjoying
Swathi said
Crap! I am from Managlore, a place famous for beautiful girls, I am a brahmin, and I have many Bunts friends.
Now you are insulting Aishwarya, Brahmins and Bunts, you will get thrown with tomatoes from everywhere.
Let me educate you about brahmins. Most brahmins by age of 30 get spiritual and quit movies… I havent yet. Brahmins are currently minorities( despite enjoying upper class status right from start).. why? Well we believe in small families and, most brahmins are escaping the discrimination by immigrating globally.. think about it? we need to earn our degrees by getting top marks.. u guys get reservation on a plate! we are accused of discrimination, but in truth we are the ones getting all the sack of legislations etc? why, because we are more intelligent, and mind our own business and do not like turning violent? peace loving as they call it?
Anyways, I doubt in some years you will have any brahmins left in India at this rate.
I have great respect for Aishwarya, and I do hope she doesnt read this article! But a handful of resentful Bunts etc. are causing all this crap is what Id say.. stop targetting brahmins for your shortcomings….
bhaskar shetty said
bhaskar shetty
first of all i want to know who this v t rajasekhar is. bunts are a forward caste
& belong to the nagavanshi kstriya caste .bunts have always been rulers of tulu nadu region and most part of karnataka.i dont bunts are a very small community of around 15 lacs people, and mostly all know each others family ,either directly or indirectly.we bunts are always called by our surname ,the name rajasekhar is not a surname and he does not belong to bunt community.the author who has written this nonsense is only making a fool of himself.one more author named kunder seems to have lost his mind he himself belongs to the billava community who are low caste.though i am never interested in all this caste system but i will never tolerate anybody interfering in our community matter.lastly why are you all unnessasarily interfering in aiswariya rai’s life.she belongs to bunt community but since now she has married out of the community we majority of bunts are in no way interested in her in any way, and i am also advising my learned community people of kurla bunt sang to to disassociate with her.
bhaskar shetty
Fault vikas said
Brother, what else can you get from donkey head ? This man who has written this article is a human donkey and as long as we will left these donkey survive ,they will spread the venom of hate, sometime a Hitler will born in India who will punish such evil monster of society by another holocaust
Vikas said
You are the most poor creature of the world,You need primary education atleast…..If u have already completed then take readmission.
bhaskar shetty said
mr vikas,kindly mind your own family and dont advise or comment on others community or way of living
victor said
Bunt (pronounced /ˈbʌnt/ also spelled ‘Bant’ in former English usage, Tulu: ಬಂಟರ , Kannada: ಬಂತವರು , Malayalam: തുളുനാട് ക്ഷത്രിയൻ ) or Tulunad Kshatriya[5][6] are a Hindu community of erstwhile nobility, feudatory and gentry from the region of Tulu Nadu in the south west of India which comprises the districts of Udupi and Dakshina Kannada in the Indian state of Karnataka and Kasaragod taluk of Kerala. The Bunts claim Kshatriya descent from the Nagavanshi lineage[7][8][9][10][11][12] and are classified as Forward caste[13][14] by both the Union and State governments of India. They traditionally follow a matrilineal system of descent and kinship like their related communities of Samantha Kshatriya and Nair but unlike them they were endogamous.
Indian said
I suggest this author not to write after drinking. Brahmins have not brought caste system. Caste is a Dravidian finding.
Instead of showing hatred towards brahmins and trying to substantiate with non-facts, help your people out of the problems they face. There is only one community in India which does not have community help and it is the Brahmin community. It is one community which had the entire knowledge and still earned their everyday meal by begging. Its only after teh Moghul and English arrival in India, they were offered Government jobs and they started seeing Money. Even now Brahmins are not among the richest people. Just list out. Think unbiased and then read your post again to see whereall you were wrong.
Tilak Kamath said
Why dont u stop Mayawati who is a dalit from being curropt? i think u dont know anything about Bunts.. Bunts are the most respected castes in Coastal karnataka.. please dont spoil the nation by bringing such hilarious posts.. u r doing no good to India nor to yourselvs.. if u r Dalit Voice then raise issues like poverty, poor education and price rise.. simply dont go on blaming brahmins.. if u suffered then post something which u have experienced… not making up stuff…
According to you Salman loved Aish cos he wanted her to bring out of Hinduism..?
hilarious that Love happens based on caste
ruby said
dear friends,
you can acquire more knowledge by reading the book _
BUNTARU ONDU ADHYAYA by INDIRA HEGDE.
Swaminatan said
bull shit
ramesh said
this is the worst article i ever read. this person is not true indian and believes in dividing india
kirti said
hey i am a brahmin by birth and i have married a dalit guy.you hypocrats , u are the people who believe in a word like caste.can someone tell me where a soul goes or to which GOD when a person dies?whether it goes to brahmin GOD or the dalit GOD?plz if u r sure of to which GOD , the power goes then plz give me the contact no of that soul.ok
what matters is the love and when u the people (who think that dalits are untouchables ) will be taking ur last breath, then u will realise that GOD is the only suprme power and no human.
R.R. Shenoy said
haha. awesome. they should show this on TV. all laughter champions show will hide in shame.
ill never forget this article and bookmark it so that i can show this to everyone i come across!!
lony said
My Dear Fellow, you wrote about aish , but do really she is aware about all these things and who asked you to write regarding such stories? Stop immidiately , never quote about someones personnel image and position??
Warun said
Bunts basically are farmers or belong to agriculture and thus they are working class and working class comes under shudras according to indian mythology……..I believe in caste but i dont belive tht a brahmins son is a brahmin this all shud be according to karma a dalit guy in army is a kshatria and a brahmin boy having shop is vaishya…..according to me ….N my dear bunt frns see u belong to working class if u dont believe then search in google but Bunt’s unity and hardwork has made this community equivalent to brahmins….so I strongly believe tht karma can change ur n urs community face…..
mario said
o my goosebumps(OMG), what a great article. just one question does this beauty queen ash knows about this,if not please tell her about this atrocity. you made my day hahhahahahhahahhahhahaha……..
vicky gupta said
totally sick mind….
what sort of revival u are trying to do.. i am not dalit but when i grow up i m surely going to work for this class upliftment.. but i think people like u are just making their own profits .. have u re read your article…. yuck man..
sivaprakash said
dear Indians,
All castes in hinduism belongs to the four categories in olden days.they are brahmnas,kshatrias,vaishyas and sutras.Brahmanas did the job of preaching and other activities that leads to attain gods blessings,kshatrias did the job of safeguarding the country,vaishyas did trade and sutras did black coloured jobs.but is this the case today.Brahmins are now in army,they do business,And also do black coloured jobs.sutras do business and they are in army too.Every job is important,And the people doing different jobs should be respected.So Indians dont hate castes.Castes are framed in olden days so that every one can get everything.For example;kshatrias defend the country,so the other 3 categories of people are saved.Brahmins worship for the welfare of the country to the god.so the other 3 categories of people are benefited.This is same in the case of vaishyas and sutras too.
only because of the caste fights, british ruled our country.And have spread some wrong informations about brahmins.
And Some Brahmins dont follow their principles,This makes others to hate the entire brahmin community. “NO ONE CAN BECOME BRAHMINS BY BIRTH THEY CAN BECOME BRAHMINS ONLY BY THEIR ACTIONS.”
I had read this line somewhere,May be in a magazine.So Indians respect every caste.May this country become a powerful one by our unity.
JAI HIND
Shantanu Khandkar said
Curses! Our evil bramhin conspiracy has been exposed! And we would have succeeded if it hadn’t been for you pesky kids! We’ll be back. Today, Aishwarya Rai; Tomorrow, THE WORLD!! MUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
sunil nlogue said
What a piece of crap. It reeks of misinformation and prejudice without even a slightest trace of logic. Should be consigned to dustbin and i pity the intellect of the person who wrote this piece.
Sunil
Rakesh said
Don’t be so much terrified and scornful about Brahmins. If Ashwaiya Rai happens to read your article, she will laugh. For your kind information you need not be so much frightened about the ‘Brahmin Factor’ because the history of the Brahmin community in India begins with the Vedic time, now often referred to by Hindus as Sanatan Dharm.The Vedas are the primary source of knowledge for brahmin practices. Most sampradayas of Brahmins take inspiration from the Vedas.
In 1931 (the last Indian census to record caste), Brahmins accounted for only 4.32% of the total population. Brahmins even in Uttar Pradesh, where they were most numerous, constituted just 12% of the recorded population. In Andhra Pradesh, they formed less than 6%,Tamil Nadu they formed less than 3% and in Karnataka, less than 2%. In Kerala, Nambudiri Brahmins make up 0.7% of the population. Yet, as destiny would have it, the Indian independence movement Mangal Pandey, Nana Sahib Peshwa, Rani Laxmibai Tatya Tope, Baikuntha Shukla, Chandrashekar Azad,and others were at the forefront of the struggle for freedom and later Indian politics. Shree Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India and Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan, the first Vice President of India, were coming from Brahmins Community. Shree Indira Gandhi, Morarji Desai, P.V. Narasimha Rao and Atal Behari Vajpayee were also coming from Brahmin Community.
Sports
In sports,Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri, Saurav Ganguly, Anil Kumble, Rohit Sharma,Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, and many more the world chess champion Vishwanathan Anand.All are Brahmins.
Saints
Brahmin saints include Adi Shankaracharya, Dnyaneshwar, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Ramakrishna Paramhansa, and Ramana Maharshi. Modern business leaders founder of Infosys, N.R.Narayana Murthy, Several notable names in Indian classical music belong to the Brahmin community, such as Bhimsen Joshi, Pandit Ravi Shankar, M. S. Subbulakshmi, Veena Doreswamy Iyengar, Mangalampalli Balamurali Krishna (popularly Dr. Balamurali Krishna), Pandit Jasraj, Shivkumar Sharma etc. All are Brahmins.
rakesh
VARUN said
WAKE UP DUDE IF V HAVE HERO’S ONLY FRM ONE COMMUNITY WHO IS IN MINORITY IN POPULATION ITS NOT EASY TO DIGEST IT AND IF U MEAN THT INTELLIGENT PPL ONLY TAKE BIRTH IN BRAHMIN’S FAMILY THN I MIGHT AGREE WITH U …..
Iniyan said
Bunts caste to which Aishwarya Rai belongs are indeed Shudras and hence should be under backward castes just as Mudaliyars and Pillais in Tamil Nadu. Aishwarya Rai is indeed a Shudra. Commentators are wrong to criticize the author of the article by falsely stating that the article refers to Aishwarya Rai as a Dalit. The article does not say Aishwarya Rai is a Dalit (Panchama) but only states that she is a Shudra and not a “dwija” (“twice born” castes like Brahmans, Kshatriyas and Vysyas).
Praveen Rai said
You are absolutely wrong. The word “bunta” derives from their status as warriors. Historically, as per varnashrama, they belonged to the ruling class, and performed Kshatriya dharma. SriKrishnadevaraya, the tuluva king of Vijayanagara empire was a bunta. Obviously, in today’s context, there are plenty of shudras among buntas, and there are vaishyas and brahmins too. Bunt intellectuals are obviously brahmins by varnashrama dharma, however, the farmers are shudras and business men are vaishyas. In fact, what you probably don’t find today, is, the bunta kshatriyas, their original varna dharma. Aishwarya Rai, by her profession, could be a shudra (if that’s what actors are), but she is certainly a kshatriya/brahmin combination..,intelligent, dharmic, symbol of the true great traditions of Hinduism, a fighter who is not afraid to standup for what she believes in…. So, what you need to do is, revisit your own understanding of varnashrama dharma. It is not based on one’s birth…but it is based on your gunas. Either way you are wrong. By simply stating that, “she is not a dwija, hence she is a shudra” you are resorting to circular logic. It does not prove the bunta is not a kshatriya and hence Aishwarya is not a kshatriya. It merely points to the fact that you have decided to stay ignorant because you want to blindly believe this lunatic blogger.
sandeep pathak said
blah blah blah…….totaly stupid……..this article shows why you shudra are made….this is ur thinking capacity…..makin one different nation of dalits…is completely absurd….anti brhaminism are primary tools for greedy person to get popularity…but lower caste leaders…..
AND ONE THING MORE
dalits.r still poor and not coming up in society because dalits are being fooled by dalits only…..not brhamin….now they r out of scene they r prospering of there own….but dalits and obc been given reservation for past 60 years r still not up to the mark….brhamins never want to make other country…and i have heard no other brhamin leader saying supress dalit so please do something…and write something better
vishal sharma said
fake story Aishwarya Rai – A victim of Brahmin Conspiracy,
Aishwarya Rai – A victim of Brahmin Conspiracy is greatest cast ever in India
RoyalBunt said
First of all, Bunts belong to the nobility class which is kshatriya- get your facts right and if you cannot, look at the obvious proof – Landlords and royal families don’t make up shudras. Bunts live better than any community amongst Hindus.
First get your facts right- looks like the author [please show up yourself so we know who exactly you are] himself is the conspirator here, having no better work than smear someone with a tag that they don’t or haven’t bothered to defend well in the past as well as in the present.
ravindra said
what a crap this article is !, TOI should never allow to anyone write these type of articles.
Being a bunt i have never heard that we are dalits, we are proper HIndus, these people are trying to divide India and are the most dangerous enemies of India.
who cares this shit , we are HIndus and will remain Hindus till the end.
Chayan said
Its is highly unfortunate that people who are claiming to consider Babasaheb as their ideal are even participating in such a discussion which is so against the very constitution that Babasaheb drafted. Claiming to be victims of oppression in this age is a show of nothing but weakness of an individual. Those who really believe in themselves prove their worth by their hard work, not by useless blame games. The author of this article seems to have a very poor knowledge of Indian history. Any knowledgable person would know of the hundreds and thousands of incidents when people of all castes have worked together for the betterment of the country and the society as a whole. You mentioned Aishwarya Rai. Sushmita Sen is not a Brahmin. Dr Kalam was a Muslim. Our current PM is a Sikh. Kapil Dev, the 1st captain to get for India a World Cup victory is not a Brahmin. Baba Ramdev is not a Brahmin. Just checked the internet. Swami Valmiki was a Dalit. That really has had no affect on the love and respect these people command in our country, not just a particular caste.
Articles like this are nothing but means of spreading hatered amongst people. In an age when people of all castes get equal opportunities in every field, im surprised to see someone talk about things that have long since been discarded by the civil society. I don’t think nursery kids ask each others castes when they sit and play together and share their food. They don’t call someone their “BEST FRIEND” because he/she belongs to the same caste. Its is the few rotten brained adults who poison the innocent minds of children. Saw a discussion on NDTV a few days back about the Dalit Sthal built by Madam Mayawati. A lady asked how she should explain her little girl who a Dalit is when she takes her to the park at the Sthal. She does not want to teach any negative things to her child.No one really has a reply to this question. No parent in his right state of mind would like his/her kids to acknowledge a social evil like the caste system.
Most importantly, a man today is not known by his caste but by his character, by his actions. So I would request the author not to fill his fellow Dalit brothers with hatered. Work to empower them. Help them grow up as individuals who can stand up in the society and be rolemodels for people of all sections of the society irrespective of caste. You would take this advice if its is really upliftment of Dalits thats your ultimate goal.
Narendra said
@Sandeep Pathak
Mate, let them have a country of their own, I’d like to see how beggars whose only accomplishment have been high fertility rates, and asking for handouts will fare when there are no taxpayers to feed them
Pulkit said
What utter bullshit … mar jana sala caste caste kar k … ban jana ghulam fir se kisi angrez k ya arab k … latrine saaf karna … I’m a kayastha boii but I always oppose these kinda hate system which is not suitable for human being … ek taraf kahte ho sab barabar hai … dusri taraf aisi bate karte ho …. yahi society in logo ki … dharm k naam par apne ap ko bech de aur dusre ki zindagi me jhakte rahte hai … kabhi apni ghar ki mali halat dekh kar use sahi karo … mai to yahi manta hu mai human caste ka hu aur caucasoid race ka hu …
Hindu said
bunts are Kshatriyas not shudras. don’t write nonsense if you don’t know anything. bunts are kings and landowners not shudras
anil said
I am Anil from kerala and belong to schedule tribe ,hence i know the problems faced by these communities.i dont totally agree with the article,however there may be some facts, let me explain in the kerala context. ( The kerala context is all the more important because it is unique amoung indian states in many aspects) kerala is a state where 23% belong to christians,27% muslims and the rest 50%Hindus, (of the Hindus 66% belong to Ezhava community) Ezhava community in kerala is a very influential community. (many chief ministers,many central ministers,many governers,judges,IAS,IPS,industrialists,business men,majority of star hotels,bars,resorts, factories,film industry etcetcetcare owned by Ezhavas,they are in a way very very ahed of the bunts of karnataka. today they are the most inflential community in Kerala. But Ezhavas of kerala were not allowed to enter temple and were treated as outcaste till 1936. They were permitted to enter temple only after Kshethra pravesana vilambaram in 1936 by the raja of travancore sree chitra tirunal maharaja. if some body is well off today that doesn’t mean the history has to be re-written. Fact is a fact, The younger generations of Ezhavas would not be able to digest that their grand parents were not allowed inside the temple. similarly there might have been a time when the bunts too might have faced such problems. Ezhavas of kerala are not included in the sc/st list, but they enjoy a cool 40% reservation in govt jobs in ezhava quota where as sc/st 8% and 2% respectively. where as no seperate quota in central govt they are treated as OBC. Hence there is no urgency to call the bunts as sudra. The reality is ,in kerala sc/st’s are most ostracised by the christian community. one example there is a womens college called st treases college in kochi where sc/st students were put in shabby rooms away from other students. The christian managed colleges some how sees that sc/st students dont get admission in their colleges,by way of sending the call letter late or not sending the call letter at all. by then he or she would have to compromise in some govt colleges ,then these seats are allocated to christian students citing non availability of sc/st candidates. hence they preach untouchability in kerala. another example ,The dalit converted christians are not treated equal amoung the christian community these dalit christians are not permitted to enter their church and treated as untouchables. on the contrary the Brahmins and the upper castes in kerala dont descriminate as the christians do. Every Temple is open to all sc/sts and no descrimination at all. India is the only country in the world where the scheduled caste and schedule tribe and other weaker section is taken care of to some extend. in all othe countries the Aborginies,the red indians ,the gypsys etc etc are ill treated and dont have any rights.these are facts existing today in europe and australia. in that context we in india are lucky, to have visionaries amoung the brahmins and upper castes to give the drafting of the constitution to baba sahib Ambedkar. hence in the name of caste dont fall in to the trap of christian converters. leave the bunts alone .
greeshma shetty said
wtf!!!!!datz ridiculous….bunts r nt dalits…4 gods sake!! dey r high class kshtriyas!! u hav no fkin ryt to pass such comments on anybody..
Benaam said
Ever wondered why there are so many comments and not anyone to like your posts? These are all your frustrated rantings. I’ll tell you what – I’ve been eating from the same plate with my friends from various caste and creed without any thought to it. Thanks to people like you that spread hatred and claim that indeed you are patit, I’d never ever even think of sharing the same table now! Shame on you and your ideals. You don’t understand but they are pushing you further downwards to reap benefits on your name.
Brian Parks said
LOVE
bd sharma said
This is KALI YUG, every thing is possible.
Remeber old filmi song RAM CHANDRA KAH GAYE SIYA SE … ….. HANS CHUGEGA DANA TINAKA KAUA MOTI …….
EK NE KAHI DUJE NE MANI, NANAK KAHEN DONO GYANI.
because there no end of this discussion, jo hai wo vahi rahega.
fuck u said
ha ha ha…Im not from brahmin community but still, i have many friends and more people i know from brahmin community. they are not like that. They might have some religious belifes. and People from foreign country are coming to india to learn vedas and our culture.
if u cal brahmin are ediots then
following people are also brahmins. Will u cal them Stupids???
Sachin tendulkar is the god of cricket According to this fuking article
sachin cant become evil!!!!!!! one who has written this article he is an fucking ass hole… fuck you
Sachin Tendulkar
Saurav Ganguly
Anil Kumble
javgal Srinath
Venkatesh Prasad
rahul Dravid
Sunil joshi
Shreeshanth
R Ashwin
Rohit sharma
Ravi shastri
B S chandrashekhar
Krishnamachari Shreekanth
VVS Laxman
Vishwanathan anand
If some one stole something from others then, if thief is from shudra community. SHALL we everyone call all those people as thieves.??? no na…. BAD people will be there in all communities.. u cant say whole community is bad…
in the same way, it is not the fucking caste ok..
its because of fucking people from all the caste n religion..
If u want to change, change the whole world other wise FUCK OFFFFFF…..
FUCK yourself… and dont comment on any ones caste.
Sachin Joshi said
What rubbish, are you inane? I never read a more ridiculous post in my life than this one, you’re out of your mind, you really suck.
Jitendra Patley said
aap sab ke sath
vikki said
People who say Dalits are exploited by brahmins must know that their Dalit brothers(society) itseld fools with them not other caste. If U provide them even with all the heavenly facilities they want more and more as if their forefathers have kept it for them. FIRST OF ALL LEARN TO EDUCATE AND THEN EDUCATE YR ILLITERATE BRETHENS WHO DO MORCHAS AND HUNGAMAS IN THE NAME OF BABASAHEB. WHEN YR PEOPLE IS GIVEN A CHANCE IN THE MINISTRY HE DOESNT BRING GOOD TO YOU PEOPLE bus apni joli barne ka aur har jagah haathi, park, smarak banane ka kaam karte hai yehi paisa agar dalit samaj ke liye use kare toh kya hoga???? unhe sikhayi yeh AURON PAR JALNA BAND KARO – soyi hui soch ko jagao Tumhe kya pura india de de???
C.l. Chumber said
Ram banished Sita .
Paswan said
Dakit nation is just a coverup (or a mask) for Christian organizations who wants to weeken Hindu society.
I am a product Dalit and a proud Hindu.
Jai Hind
hiten said
who writes these stupid posts
aishwarya rai is a kayastha(kshatriya)
and you say sonali bendre is a brahmin which i s so wrong because actualy she is CKP(chandraseniya kayastha prabhu)
DIVYa said
suppose assume that dalit he rapes a girl.
will all shudras or dalits becomes rapists????????
According to this article, we will call all dalits as rapists ok. this is the conclusion.
DIVYa said
if aishwarya rai reads this article then she will die definitely.
she is enjoying her marriage life with bacchan family..
vcxv said
Pandit Nehru the Brahmin for his sake was the first person to split india just becoz he wanted to become primeminister of india….
ask said
rai is a high caste you dump!!!!!
dalits are actually trying to split democratic india
Ks said
“Dalit Nation” please spare the citizens of India….by writing such crap & blaming the upper caste for every thing Ur losing Ur own credibility.
jaya said
In the southern states animistic Hinduism prevailed for a long long time and there are many communities which do not fit into the north indian varna system. The Ezhavas of kerala too were Buddhists earlier-the Ezhuthasans were Jains, It was during the the seventh century that the classifications into varna began and communities were slotted arbittarily. The Panas of Kerala who were originally high caste were pushed down since they were non vegetarians..Many of the warrior clans which had nothing to do with the Varna system ; so to assign them into the varna system now is silly
sht said
this article is bull shut you are dividing nation , and if you have guts try to challenge to brahmins as they are are dominating every field by their talent not RESERVATION
the great thought said
brahmins are settlers(south indian brahmins are from north. north indian brahmins as it is known from their indo european tongue are without any doubt the migrants from some place closer to europe). settlers always try to be smart otherwise they cant lead a decent life and also cannot save their daughters from the horny locals in settled lands.from this insecurity emerges the brahminic shrewdness blended with table planned lies. they support each other. they spread shitty stories that would keep the locals from nearing them or taking over their professions. they protect their women with strict rules ( but in vain because in every village the residing brahmin family maintains the secret of its daughters’ affairs with local iron smith or mechanic) dont worry folks india has reached its best days because all those brahmins who have joined the govenment services are now retiring and within a decade their current generation will be jobless and thereby poor. so as history says it is the brahminic mind set to fly away from difficult areas (instead if fighting the situation) escape to other countries and play divisive games and get exposed. india will truly become a super power. get out of this great nation you pigs leave us to prosper and progress.
Narendra said
but in vain because in every village the residing brahmin family maintains the secret of its daughters’ affairs with local iron smith or mechanic
What about the Dalits who satisfy themselves in brothels?,Lol, I am talking about the married ones, of course.
they spread shitty stories that would keep the locals from nearing them or taking over their professions
Shitty stories?, I thought it was your low test scores, the reason why you need reservations for every Govt profession.
so as history says it is the brahminic mind set to fly away from difficult areas (instead if fighting the situation) escape to other countries and play divisive games and get exposed.
Brahmins have setlled well in Mauritius, and they built a decent nation out of it, much better than you over breeding subhuman mutations who walk like humans.
get out of this great nation you pigs leave us to prosper and progress.
Why not another partition?, every caste gets its share proportional to their percentage in the Indian population, and not interfere in other’s affairs.
No sane man would put his money on the Dalit states.
free will said
WE built this nation. Had it not been for our intelligence, you’d probably be still living life like african tribesmen.
free will said
This is one of the most interesting articles i ever read, interesting because of the story telling and joining the dots. I seriously think he should work as a comedy script writer.
shivdutt sharma said
i have just read the some of texts poted by some people;Rama the great RAMA why i say great;many Leaders ;Saints;kings came in INDIA;leave INDIA;my anser to discussion in sort is Please see n Read the name of RAMA in the OLD TESTAMENT; HOLI BIBLE.The name axits as their ancester before The Great Chrit.
Mallikarjun said
Its just like simply scolding brahmins and brahminism.
Brahmin domination is once upon a time, not now.
If still brahmin domination is there, Mayavati, Karunaidhi, Mulayam,AK Antony, cannot and cannot be a Cheif minister.
In India our culture is binded by some limits. Especially in case of marriage system. A person who belongs to a low caste cannot ask an upper caste girl for marriage; love marriages are exceptional. We are not developed/ruined to that stage. Like westron countries we should not go with whomever we like; this is like a dogs relation.
So dont tense somuch about hinduism or brahminism
sharan said
BUNT 4 lyf!!
paratrup2012 said
Are you for real? Erstwhile rules such as Krishnadevaraya of Vijayanagar empire were Bunts and then you say it is a Brahmin controversy. Bollywood is dominated by Muslims and if Aishwarya doesn’t marry it is a brahmin conspiracy. Aishwarya is one of the richest women in India and she is oppressed! Of course Aishwarya has to get married as per your ideological preferences and tastes. She should has no freedom to marry a man of her choice. Go get yourself checked by a psychologist. Such paranoia is not good for you and I do not know which University you graduated from. They have done a poor job.
Clever One said
I was thinking the writer is insane. But after reading his post and comments the light bulb went off in my head. This guy dalit nation is smartest of all. He is writing such articles because…..how else you get so much traffic and interaction otherwise. In one shot he achieved his goals. I am sure he is laughing himself to death reading comments. Hats off to him. He is not Dalit that is for sure. It takes some brain to pull this off. I suspect educated muslim or cathalic. What do you think?
armaan ali said
i think … people gone mad on caste , they not to look humanity of human being…. behind of reason, why india is developing country…. its a cause…. wake up indians … don’t fragment of india………..
roshan said
My god…..such a long discussion on a subject of caste that too in the year 2012……..?! o god plz give these jobless people some good work.
kju said
This site have moto less. just reflect jealousy
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Rajesh said
Ha ha ha…… Bunts are not shudras you fool….
Somu said
Are u not eating mutton,chicken and fish are u wearing holy thread u fool. Read the history first.You have been regarded to be higher then Vokkaligas, reddys and goundars in Tamilnadu.
Sniper said
After this article I wonder if the dalits would ask for reservation in BOLLYWOOD.
Somu said
People who had been not allowed to get upanayana( wearing thread) are called as shudras. Bunts are also shudras as they eat non-veg and not wearing janivaara .
indian said
y u people are fighting for caste??????? this is my INDIA……… educated by books but still illiterate as human 😦
Manish said
Most useless, ridiculous article ever. This will not win any sympathy for dalits as this is all trash and full of bull**sh**it.
sanjay said
These S.Cs are making a fool out of themselves in order to hide the inferiority complex inside them
Octopole said
Are your women so ugly that you actually have to hijack women from other castes and make them your own? You’re beyond pathetic. Noone, and I mean noone thinks Ash Rai is a Dalit.
Keep plugging your loony tunes however. It’s a nice distraction from serious work I do all day, something your little pea brain wouldn’t understand.
Aniyan said
Raju
Please do not spread hatred. Many of the dalits and poor non-dalits deserve special consideration. Do not make caste a basis. Aishwarya Rai got global recognition. Do not research on her caste. She is our pride. Allow her to be what she wants to be. Throw away the dalit card. The privileges for dalits from Government are usurped by the rich among them, leaving the poor dalits to suffer for ever. Look at what that Mayawati did. Anything good for the poor? She built her own statues. People gave her the order of the boot.
Aniyan said
Raju
You said it
Kakhan
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the truth.... said
who the hell is written this blog… whatever wld be this author caste … his main aim is to spoil the name the Aishwarya rai & the bunt community… bunt caste belong to Kshatriya caste & not shudra … this blog shld be removed & providing wrong info to reader
the truth.... said
first of all clear ur(author) basic the the rai, shetty, hegde & the BUNT Caste comes in Kshatriya dynasty… which the Indian government has marked them as the Open caste … the author don’t no anything… I think author has written this thing bcoz he belongs to low caste including aishwarya rai in this making his caste high OR he belongs to brahmin bcoz of his jelouzzz ….. to spoil aishwarya’s fame ….
Ganesh Yadav said
Idiotic post…..chee…shame on you.
ramya said
tevery thing from the beginning is crap. if bunts are dalits then why are they not included for reservation .
stish said
bunts are kshathriya not sudhra s but some modern poor bunts were been miss understood by them self and by some Bramhins as sudhra because
there is no kahtriya works (ocupation) after english rule and modern india .Only bramins and others cumminity bramins start telling all cumminity as sudhra . apart from kings. ie bramins and sudhra no kshathtiya in modern coastal karnataka. buts bunts are real kashatriya basically jain kshatriyas.
Pravish said
what kind off crap is this,saddened by tha dearth of intellectual knowledge of dalits,n u”ll call urself tha great babasaheb’s followers
1)firstly i belong to bunts community n according to caste system on birth we r ‘kshatriyas’ n ‘not dalits’,though i personally call myself only a ‘hindu’ and a very proud one
2)aishwarya rai,belongs to bunts community,n we bunst r proud that she married a hindu,instead of a muslim salman khan,i respect salman for his secularism but aishwarya bacchan sounds much better than aishwarya khan
3)n about us being dalits,i challenge dalit nation to prove us that we r dalits,we dnt get reservation,we belong to tha caste of great shri krishnadevaraya who prevented south india from being islamic,n ur call us oppressed by hinduism :P,we R VERY PROUD HINDUS N NOBODY DARE QUESTION THAT
4)i request u to remove this article immediately .coz u”ll hav tried to defame our daughter aishwarya,we bunts dont tolerate it,when Shiv Sena was targetting south indians in mumbai,we were tha only group who stood up against them n hence even they fear us
5)n about V.T.Rajashekar,he talks nonsense,go read wiki page bout him,its clearly written that ihe belongs to upper caste
6)i am all for help for ‘dalits’ who r oppressed in this country becoz of misintrepration of hindu scriptures,but such articles sadly will only make u”ll even more backward,if u want to call me a dalit call it,but i am a dalit of tha ‘ambedkar,phule n narayana guru’ kind,not kancha illiah or VT.Rajashekara ‘ types who talk nonsense instead of uplifting n empowering them,u”ll hav too much love for muslims right,then plzz do read babasaheb’s views on pakistan,n if u”ll believe islam is better than hindusim why did ambedkar convert to buddhism n not islam or christianity ???
7)i hav spoken to ‘bunts sangha mumbai’,if this article isnt removed,be prepared for legal action,we r already in contact with lawyers with this defammatory article,if u want to face legal action so be it
Dignaga said
Hello Sir, these are nut cases; that is all I will say
brahmins said
Please initiate legal action. I am astonished to what extent these jobless jacks write to unite dalits. First of all they have used the reservations happily to educate themselves and I have no complaints against it, in fact I am a brahmin who believe in the supreme lord for whom everyone is same. We live in times where caste system is no big deal but this incessant chatter attacking us by these so called psuedo dalit intellectuals stirs the beast in us as well. What kind of tamasha is this, get educated- reap the benefits of the reservations and stay happily- if you want your community to prosper fight for their rights – try to develop more economically backward amongst your own. Reservations are only enjoyed a few families among dalits- why dont you go and spread awareness. Do some positive things instead of taking up brahmin bashing. You got this wonderful opportunity because the supreme lord in all compassion granted you this boon because some brahmins mis interpreted the scriptures and ill treated a particular community. Now if you do the same- you will again have to pay the price.
Eulalia said
Awesome post.
Stupid Dalit said
Such a nonsense. You dalits equate all social issues as brahminism? nonsense. this is the most stupid post i have ever read.
you people might even go to an extent and say that
“sun raises in the east and today it disturbed dalits sleep. this is because of the brahmin god surya. Its a brahmin conspiracy.”
There were no opression of any kind in the indian land. Opression was a british induced idea to divide and rule you idiot.
Even If at all there was opression on you dalits just like you claim, looking at your utter ignorance in writing such a stupid blog, looking at your third rated thinking process, i will say “you deserver to be opressed”
“Dalit Nation” is a virus to indian land by spreading such hate speach and divisive ideologies. these kancha ilaya, babasaheb, VTR or whom so ever who beats the dalit freedom drum are all dumb idiots who does everything for money and lime light.they are puppets in the hands of the west. if you people live in such phycological impotence you deserve to be oppressed.
If you hate india for the varna system, get out of india and live else where.
srik said
hahaha best article in t whole world awesome imagination from a Dalit fuker
muslim said
Salman khan is an innocent and pakistian are also innocent … for more watch youtube innocent of muslim
reddy said
The entire land belongs to God, the Creator of Mankind. None should get out but fight with oppression just like Muslims- Jihad – A struggle against oppression.
Dalits have a lot to learn from Quran.
Ani said
The writer and this site have completely lost their mind…u assholes sons/……………….u dont knw what iz the meaning of BUNT or about the power of Bunts get this article removed or else ull have to face the consequences……………….
vijay said
Dalitnation….I’m a Brahmin and let me tell you just one thing.If you want,Dalits can rule India with an Iron fist.But your own community is divided among themselves with different sections.Why don’t you form a party and ask all the Dalits in India to vote for you and for your party.I am pretty sure you will easily get 270 seats without breaking sweat.Then you can do a holocaust and laugh about it.I hope that will help you sleep well.
j s ajrawat said
hay dude…first of all there is difference between backward and schedule caste….in different states many taditional upper castes like jatts in rajasthan rajput in gujrat etc r under backward tag….pure politices this is….backwards r not dalits …do u know that rajput c.m shivraj singh chuhan is from obc community…now karni sena is demanding obc status for rajputs in rajastan too….get ur facts right…
j s ajrawat said
mr. who told you that bacchans r brahmins…they are half sikhs and half kayastha…
Ajeyarudra said
First try to know from vedas bramhans are nothing but shudras. We vishwabramhana sub diwagna bramhanas are real ones. What shit in before 2years you have wrote.
Ashoka said
I wish that you should be treated as a dalth by dalths 🙂 That is the most suitable punishment for you. Stop writing nonsense.
Sankalp said
Get your brain checked 🙂
Smitha Shetty said
What a nonsense.. Who said bunts are shudras?? I think the author lacks general knowledge. This shows how much general knowledge the author has. Becasue of such people , dalits are still a “backword community”. Why dont these morons(the author) verify the content before posting it?
nisha said
oh come on.brahmins are great,superb,outstanding.moreover we are pious and our praise is beyond of words.so do not dare to say like again.
Swapnil Sharma said
(Facts regarding ‘Bunts’)…….Two Shettys, Pimpri-Chinchwad Municipal Corporation chairman Jagdish and brother Ulhas, are in trouble for allegedly submitting false caste certificate for contesting the February civic elections from wards reserved for Scheduled Caste candidates. Ulhas is also facing charges of providing fake caste certificates.
The issue came to fore through an RTI application moved by Shiv Sena leader Sarang Kamtekar before the Caste Verification Committee. Kamtekar procured a copy of the Vigilance Squad report submitted to the Committee.
“The squad had gone to Shettys’ native place to verify caste certificates and school leaving certificates submitted by the brothers. The squad report says the Shettys belong to the upper caste and not Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
The Shettys claimed in their caste certificates that they belong to “Hindu Bunt” community. “The Shettys sought to project a wrong caste status. They belong to Hindu Bunts community, which is an upper caste in Karnataka.
The Bunt community in Maharashtra is primarily found in Solapur and belongs to Scheduled Caste. The Shettys misused it to project themselves as Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
When contacted, Ulhas claimed they belong to the Scheduled Caste community. “In Karnataka Bunt community comes under OBC, but in Maharashtra they have been given Scheduled Caste status by the Maharashtra Government,” said Ulhas, adding they have been living in Maharashtra for 50 years and have little connection with Karnataka.
“The Shiv Sena is trying to avenge the defeat of their candidates by us. The Sena double standards are clearly visible. In PMC areas, one of its candidates was a Shetty and contested from a ward reserved for Scheduled Caste. He lost, or else the Sena would have found it difficult to take it out against us,” he said.
… contd.
(News in Indian Express, 7th June2012)
Swapnil Sharma said
(Facts regarding ‘Bunts’)……..Shetty, brother in a bind over false SC certificateSSC Coaching staffselectionportalकर्मचारी चयन आयोग Income Tax Inspector/Asst Grade
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Two Shettys, Pimpri-Chinchwad Municipal Corporation chairman Jagdish and brother Ulhas, are in trouble for allegedly submitting false caste certificate for contesting the February civic elections from wards reserved for Scheduled Caste candidates. Ulhas is also facing charges of providing fake caste certificates.
The issue came to fore through an RTI application moved by Shiv Sena leader Sarang Kamtekar before the Caste Verification Committee. Kamtekar procured a copy of the Vigilance Squad report submitted to the Committee.
“The squad had gone to Shettys’ native place to verify caste certificates and school leaving certificates submitted by the brothers. The squad report says the Shettys belong to the upper caste and not Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
The Shettys claimed in their caste certificates that they belong to “Hindu Bunt” community. “The Shettys sought to project a wrong caste status. They belong to Hindu Bunts community, which is an upper caste in Karnataka.
The Bunt community in Maharashtra is primarily found in Solapur and belongs to Scheduled Caste. The Shettys misused it to project themselves as Scheduled Caste,” said Kamtekar.
When contacted, Ulhas claimed they belong to the Scheduled Caste community. “In Karnataka Bunt community comes under OBC, but in Maharashtra they have been given Scheduled Caste status by the Maharashtra Government,” said Ulhas, adding they have been living in Maharashtra for 50 years and have little connection with Karnataka.
“The Shiv Sena is trying to avenge the defeat of their candidates by us. The Sena double standards are clearly visible. In PMC areas, one of its candidates was a Shetty and contested from a ward reserved for Scheduled Caste. He lost, or else the Sena would have found it difficult to take it out against us,” he said.
… contd.
preeti said
thanks, bunts are the upper caste 🙂
Krishna Madhav - Trivandrum said
wow- what a story- should have made a film
Ra said
This voice of dalit is a voice of illiterates, idiots and extremists. pure crap
shekhar said
indeed it is aptly clear that this blog belongs to some shithead muslim crap with intentions of dividing the hindu society. look how he says ‘salman tried to rescue aishwarya’ the whole world knows what salman did to her n how pathetically he treated her. it was the failure of one more conversion from a hindu to a muslim that seems to be the pain in the ass for this turd.
nit said
What an horrible article …man u are totally insane….
sapan said
This article is why dalits were kept in jungles during golden ages. These people are not fit to be among the upper castes. This is plain fact. Democracy in India is poison. We need a modern revival of caste system which will put spiritual, ascended people aka upper caste back on top. Through reincarnation, these lower castes get promoted, so it is all fair, This is the hard fact.
Shit cleaner said
shudra shit.
you know what fellow hindus? please do not dip your fingers by typing anything in this shit hole of a blog space.
If at all, all these guys deserved to be treated like shit. they were called shudras because their work was to clean shit and sewages. although they dont do it anymore, perhaps years of shit cleaning has penetrated their genes with a shitty outlook.
samita said
What will brahmins know? Thy are silent killers and dats why hinduism has gone to other religion cos of their discrimination. Did bahmin rule the country as he doesn’t have the strength to fight as he is only capable of advising and giving knowledge
brahmin said
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TarunTarun said
All you people are not so serious about yourself first, hey boy i am no kidding , Includes the dalit person above , Caste is secondary, your actions matter , so you can donate to my cause and prove yourself !
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Codes Psn Gratuit said
Your style is really unique in comparison to other people I have read stuff from.
Many thanks for posting when you’ve got the opportunity, Guess I will just bookmark this blog.
Geeta said
The writer is morron. He or she doesnt know what are Bunts?
He doesn’t know ABCD of anything. The writer is jeolous of Aishwarya
No one else. Stop writing such fictious stories. i think the writer doesnt have any work.
Moron stupid\
preeti said
true
Rakesh said
As a Dalit, this article bring only shame for us.
It is mindless piece of scrap written without carrying any research. With no facts and no substance, it looks chilish act.
With such matter, we will only be able to repel the sensible upper caste people. The tireless work of Babasahib Ambedkar and other Ambedkarite will go into the drain.
Brahminical social order accts absolutely silently and we have failed to understand its true face.
The article brings shame to Babasahib Ambedkar who staunch criticizer of Aryan-Brahminical social order rather than individuals (Brahamans)
Furthur, it is painful when author claims VTR as greatest intellectual after Babasahib. He may be, if he is, history will prove him to be. This article and other articles in DV, it seems, have been a sort of propaganda to dignify VTR. Rather, at times it feels DV is a mouthpiece of VTR.
Personally feels Dalits are wasting their time in cricizing Bramans rather than promoting Ambedkarism.
So far as the matter of Aishwaria Rai is concerned, even if she is Shudra there is absolutely no problem marrying brahmins or half-brahmins. There a are number of such marriages happening around and many are successful.
There are hundreds of things to criticize, better be sensible than sensationalizing the issues.
JAI BHEEM! JAI BHARAT!!
Stop the bloody bull shit said
yaavano ee kathe bittironu saaku mucchappa..neeno ninn thale no..nimmajji edrige sikkdre piece piece madbidtheeni..chapper..time pass aagthilla andre train ge sikki saayi..mundede!! :@ :@
Pt. Tilak Raj Mishra said
This kind of public writing against any caste, creed or religion is not good. the person who wrote this negative lines is not a good human being.
rohit said
literally i like your reply….how fool we people are..someone throws a bread now every one is looking for his/her
share..!!!LOL
Manish Gautam said
we need a strong proof.if u have pls provide.
Stop drinking blood said
Bunts are very elite community but for their devil worship. They are into devil worship (also called as Bhoota Worship or ancestral worship) which has pre-historic nomadic dances and music where raw meat of fowl is eaten and its blood drunk in front of the spectators. They are religious people, visit temples, churches and any other place of worship. But their principal worship is demon or devil worship.
Stop drinking blood said
According to famous historian Historian Mr. E.Thurston, bunts are Shudras who are into devil or demon worship.
Herms said
Nobody cares abt E thurston or any white historian, to tell our story. We can narrate it damn well. We don’t do any Bhoota (spirit) worship! wad crap is this! drink blood, kill fowl??! Koli fight you mean;Sorry we don’t drink its blood though! We worship goddess more or any GOD actually.
RShetty said
Bunt (/ˈbʌnt/, previously spelled Bant) are a community of erstwhile nobility, feudatory and gentry from the region of Tulu Nadu in the south west of India which comprises the districts of Udupi and Dakshina Kannada in the Indian state of Karnataka and Kasaragod taluk of Kerala. The Bunts claim Kshatriya descent from the Nagavanshi lineage and are classified as Forward caste by both the national and state governments of India.
Source: wikipedia supported by a million other sources. What a misinformed writer has written the above article!
The Jain Bunts are traditionally defined as a distinctive subdivision of the Bunt community and sometimes classified as a separate community in itself because they are Jains by faith while the other subdivisions are Hindu. The subdivision arose when some Bunt feudals embraced Jain traditions during the rule of the Hoysala Empire who propagated Jainism. They number around few thousands and speak either the Tulu or Kannada language. They follow the aliya santana system of matrilineal inheritance, except for a few families who have taken to priestly duties. Their customs are a blend of the Jain customs and those of the Hindu Bunts.
Until the 20th century the rules of intermarriage and interdining were and strictly followed. The community as a whole practised endogamy and subdivisional exogamy was practised only by the Masadika and the Nad who freely intermarried with each other. The Parivara and Jains favoured endogamy and, though interdined with other subdivisions, did not intermarry except for rare instances where a woman from the Parivara subdivision could enter into marriage with a man from other subdivisions and a man from the Jain subdivision could enter into matrimonial alliance with a woman from other subdivisions.
Apart from the above mentioned principal subdivisions there are about 90 clans found among the Bunts.
These clans claim descent either from the Alupas or Perumal kings and were feudatories or rulers of small principalities in Tulu Nadu until the period of British Raj. The Ballal Bunts until the 20th century as a rule neither interdined with other Bunts since they are strictly vegetarian and preferred endogamy.
The heads of ballal families mandatorily undergo the Upanayanam ceremony and wear the sacred thread called Janivara or Janeyu.Wearing of the sacred thread and practising vegetarianism is not a compulsion for other Bunts, apart from the Ballals. Heads of other Bunt families who were erstwhile royalty or have the privileges of “Pattam” (the highest hereditary title of nobility in Tulu Nadu region) as certain families called “Shetty Vala’’ and “Hegde’’ who are “Mukteshwar’’ or Muktesar (administrative trustees) of temples and solved civil or criminal disputes of areas they had jurisdiction in former times wear the sacred thread.
jatin gohil said
I my self a dalit…nd this post is just a bullshit.worst ever thing I have ever read ….give some brains to such morons
rajesh kumar said
i am a dalit from delhi and i have many brahmin friends they are very good and helping instead i found dalits a lot depraved….please dalitnation dont write such articles..it will spoil the image of dalits in the world…instead speak of unity..
jalwan said
excellent rearch. like father like son. jo asal hote han wo gali nahi dete. no ONE is high or low as each living being/ atman is ansh of parmatman . mochi / ahir / rai /mall and so manycastes some plce r sc other plce r bc as many gotra/ surnames r in many castes . poisonous bamanism/castism does reqre any help to split nation already lion shaped india /bharat/aryavarta/jambu dweep/great east ethopia broken in pcs n convns to budhism/jainism/islam/sikhism . holy thread was burnt in times of gori onwrds in tons n tons was given swami dayanad onwrds to all tribes of sudras lohar/kumhar/sunar/tarkhan/chamar/malla/jat/ahir/meena/gujjar n so on to bring unity but no use of boiling basin kadhi .riches don’t make one brahmin who has akshtry as guard vais as money bag sudra at service let the development/nation go to dogs . only false boasting of each other shall give them worldly peace n soul to hell again to born dogs/donkeys rember TATA LOHAR BATA CHAMAR AND JEWELER SUNAR R SUDRA .Remember the face value of great maharana marryng out his daughter to muslim invader , great prime minister marrying daughter out of religion n great nachaiya baman marrying out his son with sudra girl and declaring THE NAME OF GREATEST INDAIN WHO WAS A UNTOUCHABLE .while another untouchable girl married by baman produced a man who wrote HOLY vedas another sudra wrote holy ramayan INDIA HAS 85% SUDRAS . REMEMBER ALL R EQUAL GIVE/TAKE REGARD/RESPECT/LOVE/LIVE LET LIVE N BUILD NATION .AND YOURSELF BY FLATTERIG/FOOLING OTHERS.
A Bunt said
OK i feel like filing a suit against this writer for defamation i belong to same bunt community as aishwarya u should first do research about bunt community before writing such a article.if we bunts were untouchable then we should have been given a obc/scheduled castle status but no we are legally recognised as forward castle by all states and by government of india which is true.In fact there was a dynasty known as tuluva dynasty in vijaynagar whose famous king is krishnadev raya(rai)(also famous in tenali raman story)also both nair/bunt community claims to be nagavanshi Kshatriya.
I neither believe in untouchabitily which really sucks but then stop writing wrong articles and spreading wrong propoganda
Roshan Shetty said
I am a bunt. I am proud to be bunt. The spirit of caste , motherland what we have is immense. Lets not fight with all these below dignity people. It is waste of time. About 200 years back my great grand father was a ruler of the taluk in south kanara. There were many brahmins and other caste people were working under him. Anyways it has proven that bunts are not from lower caste. I saw lot of posts above. I really feel why people fight like this. Even today in south kanara wherever you go the word of a bunt is a final. People respect their words. Similarly all over the world bunts have been migrated and they created their own image may be in film , hotels, profession , underworld ,politics etc. One of the biggest strength god given us is that we do not have jealous.
We are very much social people. Any ways lets not split the country in the name of caste , creed etc. Jai tulunadu , Jai Karantakata and Jai hind.
t n sharma said
A lady born in Karnataka, reached her goal with her hard work and intelligence. Later, she build her career in glamour field and reached new heights with her abilities. She is aiswarya Rai. Having birth in one community she has given a opportunity to her community people and to others that with hard work and commitment anyone can reach new heights, irrespective of the caste. Get inspiration and treat her as a role model. Those people who are participating in this topic, whether support or criticize not responsible for her success or failure. She is an artist and just watch her as an artist. If u like her talent adore her if u don’t like don’t watch her movies. Marriage is her personnel issue. Just think, are we people having any right to interfere in her personnel life. Criticizing the decision of a wise woman, that too those people, who cannot see her at least from the car windows, are commenting. What a pity. They are artists and their world is different. Let them to live their life, instead of making them a issue. For publicity or to inject poison in the minds of innocents, May satisfy the evil thoughts personalities. But, by plantation of thorns u cannot get Jasmine. I love India. Feel proud of her talent. Respect woman irrespective of the caste. ‘She’ is life. My caste is Brahmin and my culture taught me this.
sunil kumar hebble said
i want to tell all people ,karnataka is a great state, there is no place for descrimination in karnataka. tulunadu is a one of the part of karnataka, i dont think is any difference between tulu and kannada. so be a kannadiga . jai kaenataka
Stop drinking blood said
Being a ruler does not constitute upper class. As a matter of fact, ALL THE RULERS OF TULUNADU WERE OF LOWER CASTES for Brahmins or upper caste people cannot be rulers (in the past). The petty rulers ought to be of LOWER CASTE, be it SCHEDULE CASTE, BUNTS ETC. Please understand that BHOOTA WORSHIPERS CANNOT BE UPPER CASTE. Bunts may visit Temples manage them or whatever, but their predominant belief remains BHOOTA WORSHIP, WHICH IS ALSO TERMED AS DEMON OR DEVIL WORSHIP. The reasons for BACKWARD CASTES BEING PETTY RULERS IS OBVIOUS, the KINGS, be it Tippu or Hyder, Nagar or Ikkeri Nayakas or whosoever could control their vast territory by appointing lower caste people as his assistants (petty local rulers). Same is seen even today, the powerful people control the masses through such local elements.
So, managing or visiting temples or having vast lands WILL NOT MAKE BUNTS an upper caste. The chief belief of BUNTS is DEMON WORSHIP, and that says it all. Community indulging in BHOOTARADHANE is of the lowest class, be it here in INDIA, OR ELSEWHERE IN THE BLACK WORLD.
AKAULA said
you seem to be part of African-Dalit conspirators from USA with white man as your leader ;-). By the way this Bhoota is a Sanskrit word and literallt means either past or element. Where did you get this cockamamy meaning of Bhhota as demon. Why use Sanskrit if you want to sound little authentic. Clearly your white masters from America can not do any better than their Christian Categories of Demon etc. Pitiful. Your writing is at best hilarious.
You may right about Bunts, I do not know that. But, if what you write here is any indication you must be wrong about BUNTS too. But enjoy your Slavery to White MAn.
OMG said
i am a dallit hindu but this post is just senseless and try to develop hate for brahmins.u should try to bring all people together…
MANGIPUDI VASUDEV RAO said
very sensible.
saxeeee said
one day i will make separate country for brahmin and Rajput & called it Israel of south asia
Akaula said
Oh you missed many others. Have you gotten permission from your white Masters? No matter what you do, you don’t seem to shake off this servility to white folks. Rest assured you will never the countries dispensation will never reach your hands. You already
Changa said
Ramblings of a Lunatic!!!
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Anantha said
Take a shit. Then try to smell it.if it smell pork then writing is haram. Muslims should concentrate on being a butcher not writer. 🙂
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Neha Puhal said
Aishwarya rai is brahmin
Vishal said
crap absolute crap !!!
Anantha said
Lol…U dalits can never live in peace.look at u? Full of hate and btw bunts are upper caste khatrayas. Do u think amitabh Bachpa. Will allow his son to marry a fucking sudir ? And look at her…. Such beauty can never ever b a dalit.go check some psychiatrist. I m a brahmin btw. Now when u read this . Will go take a bath.
prathik said
We Bunts are kshtriyas (warriors ) not sudra and all
we are the dictatorial community we ruled coastal karnataka fought against British never say us sudra we r the 2nd higher caste after brahmin for proof check Wikipedia
Aishwarya rai is a women of the kshtriya caste never compare us with sudra we r always warriors and rulers
we bunts respect sudra as humanity
BUT WE ARE NOT SUDRA
if we r Sudra y don’t our children get seat in college under gm category not st/sc
jeeva said
Everyone has to think that it is none of their business to talk about different people,caste or communities and do their best to come up in life. You are not superior or inferior judged by your birth but by the deeds you do. Do Good and definitely God will make you prosperous. Whoever continues to write on this blog are only trying to wash their dirty linens and nothing more.
Regards
jeeva
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Pankaj Saxena said
This is racist crap written by the neo-Nazi worshippers of Kancha Illiah, full of violence and inhuman hatred.
bhaskar said
all bull shit discussions,first of all i am advising this dalit nation writer to stop writing things which you all dont know,secondly tuluva bunts are a kstriya community belonging to the nagavanshi kshtriya linelage.Tuluva bunts have founded many famous dynasty like the alupas,hoysala.Tuluva bunts have ruled the entire south india during tuluva dynasty of vijaynagar empire.Rajasekhar is a shetty(tuluva bunt),but his preaching is his concern and bunts are noway involved or connected to it.Though aiswariya rai and shilpa shetty belong to the bunts community,but we most of the bunts feel that these two are a bad name to the bunts community.
Anshuman said
I AM THIS. YOU ARE THAT. HE IS THAT. I AM SUPERIOR. I AM HARRASSED. GOOD GOING. DON’T HAVE ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN LIFE.. GOOD YOU SO CALLED BROADMINDED DALITS & UPPER CASTES. KEEP FIGHTING LIKE NONSENSE ONES… THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DESTINED FOR… THIS ADVICE IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CARE….COME AGAIN FOR MORE ADVICE… I AM THE ONE WHO WILL KICK YOU FROM BACK IF YOU CHOSE TO JUMP INTO A GORGE…
Herms said
Ok, that was the most funniest article I’ve read! 😛
Queen Abbakka Devi was Tuluva queen; Chowta (Bunt) who fought against the Portugese. These communities were always Kshatriya -Vaishyas; they were never oppressed , but might’ve been the oppressor at some point in history. And maybe after independence many sub-communities in that region in general were demoted to OBC category and few became farmers since they owned some lands. My Grandmother told me once that there were 4 powerful families in our village all belonging to BUNT’s, no one dared to question their authority or cross their path.They were like feudal lords /Zamindar types.
So cut the crap abt she being oppressed !
bhaskar shetty said
demoted to obc caste ,what do you mean,you are also one of these fake identity herms
badachetan said
you must be doing cocaine when you wrote this non amusing stupid article. Check your head in the toilet.. It’s gotta be in the gutter somewhere. F’ing idiot. No wonder.. you are insecure and people like you spread hatred.
Rajshekar said
yes well said..really they had cocaine when they wrote this idiotic article..this is to some people who create hatred from one another
Indian said
Fact is local petty rulers of 100’s of petty kingdoms came from Shudra community, mainly Bunts and Mhars (toti community also termed as SC/ST). I have heard many Mhar rulers and Bunt rulers.
Assumption is all the great emperors of Greece, Rome and India were from Bunt community as Bunts have Indian, Roman, Mid-Asian and Greek ancestry.
Historian Mr. E. Thurston whom many say that he has described about Bunts in his book. In the same book HAS SAID THAT ‘BANTS’ ARE SHUDRAS AND WORSHIP DEVILS……
Kamal Shetty said
Total bullshit ,bunts are warrior caste with historical proof and bunts very well know which backward caste desperatetly wants bunts to be called shudras since they were tormented by bunts
Jayanta Das said
First of all why should people make a controversy related to Aishwarya Rai’s caste. Why should we worried about Bunt community’s caste. The same community may has different facility under reservation in different state based on their socioeconomic condition. The very purpose of the reservation policy is to improve the socioeconomic condition of the so called castes & tribes which comes under 16th scheduled and upgrade these people to general caste someday. If someone develop enough and don’t need the facility of reservation and want to introduce himself as general caste, the system should encourage him. Likewise if a community as a whole develop themselves to general caste–it is a proud for the nation and the constitution. It should be a good example for the other backward people. Anyway someday these reservation facility would be end and every citizen would get equal privilege sooner or later. It is inevitable. Then there would be no hatred or jealousy on caste. A caste less India—One India –united India. Jai Hind.
bunty said
Enlighten me please, which caste is this that so desperately wants “Bunts” to be categorised as Shudras?
Jayanta Das said
First of all why should people make a controversy related to Aishwarya Rai’s caste. Why should we worried about Bunt community’s caste. The same community may has different facility under reservation in different state based on their socioeconomic condition. The very purpose of the reservation policy is to improve the socioeconomic condition of the so called castes & tribes which comes under 16th scheduled and upgrade these people to general caste someday. If someone develop enough and don’t need the facility of reservation and want to introduce himself as general caste, the system should encourage him. Likewise if a community as a whole develop themselves to general caste–it is a proud for the nation and the constitution. It should be a good example for the other backward people. Anyway someday these reservation facility would be end and every citizen would get equal privilege sooner or later. It is inevitable. Then there would be no hatred or jealousy on caste. A caste less India—One India –united India. Jai Hind.
chill bull pandey said
You Dalit slut stop writing nonsense your mother is a fucking whoreee and your father is a son of A prostitute
mukesh agnihotri said
Before cursing brahmin community, talk about atrocities done on lower castes by foreign invaders (muslim/english). our OBC class still threaten dalits openly
MANGIPUDI VASUDEV RAO said
Is it not ironical that while the writer cites the leading and established national dailies as toilet papers, he writes such a poor article in a language , which he is hardly equipped to. The contents defy all the civilized and accepted journalistic norms , universally acknowledged and respected. One thing is clear , he like all other dalit writers is obsessed with caste and caste only and full of rage and thus devoid of thinking in a rational and balanced manner. What a presentation! I don’t know why he became so possessive about women and in the process of meeting his agenda of brahmin bashing which appears to be his sole reason for survival, dragged the honourable lady to the market place. Is it not in a bad taste to question the liberty of women to marry the person of her choice. To be drunk with an exclusive idea of conspiracy in everything by upper castes and suffer from the idea of suffering and injustice and thus wasting precious life instead of improving it is very tragic , to say the least. is it not in bad taste and violation of human rights. In spite of repeated rejections by the bunt responses, the writer puts up a feeble defence of his stand and thus cuts a sorry figure. I dont think , this article is worth debate. But this is first time , I have to occasion to come across dalit writing and it is very disappointing. The language, tone and tenor is very sub standard. I have nothing to learn. Worst of all , he insists on knowing caste of debates. How myopic and small , their world is. O! please rise. It is a write-up which will shame goebbels also. Their world begins with Ambedkar and ends with him. They are defying their master’s word who was against hero worship, which is akin to image worship. They have just replaced one set of idols with another.
Ami said
I think we have to accept all. I and my wife are Bramhins, but she had 2 Dalit boyfriends before marriage. When I asked, she feels they are manly. Even now when she sometimes meets…there is no hostility due to different castes.
Shilpa said
LUCKY YOU! Do your wife’s two Dalit boyfriends still visit your house?
sathyanie said
I am an Mahadalit and interested in marrying Aishwarya. Can VTR help me in this please?
Mr Human said
Immeture article. Instead of pointing some one try to utilize ur own facilities provided by the govt. Don’t try to write these kind of time waste articles to get popularity. All are humans every one has their own identity and importance. At that time system is like that no one did any thing intentionally. Try to focus on polititions that will help our country.
Shilpa said
Can someone please tell me why was Aishwarya Rai married to a banana tree before marrying Abishek Bachchan?
ram said
its a rumour..This was a roaring rumour in the 2007 several times Bachchan family rejected this and laughed off.
Gorav chamar said
99% of indians are poor beyond belief and ugly and retarded and fithy and stinky and dishonest and thieving scum too. Easy to see from this article. 😄
Praveen Shetty said
Get a life people..
I don’t get on what basis u called bunts as a low caste.
I live in costal Karnataka and I know how they treat us there.
We are politically & financially the strongest community in the costal Karnataka.
The most famous & successful banks like vijaya bank, educational institutes like Alva’s& nitte group etc , hospitals like narayana hrudayalaya are owned by us.
There’s a lot to tell but I will restrict myself here.
If u considered that rai belongs to cast of vtr and called her a shudra, u are wrong my brother.
V T rajashekars Wikipedia page says that he was born in bunt community which is a high cast in coastal Karnataka & his father thimappa shetty retired as a collector of south canara district.
Do refer his wikipedia page.
We bunts despite of being a smaller population showed to this world what we are.
Its not about high or low caste, we bunts don’t want to be called high caste or shudras because we are kshatriyas, the warriors. Our name indicates it.
And about reservation, we are put into 3B which has communities of 1/3of population of Karnataka. So its useless to our community.
And our caste is put as general in central list.
So now tell me why should we call ourselves as low caste when we arent enjoying any benefits which sc sts are having these days?
Saanj said
The person who wrote should get flowers from all communities. I don’t know what made him to propagate hatred. All I know is most Mangaloreans are beautiful, spoken language is soft and culture is good.
Ragini Sri said
Just crap, worst article I’ve ever read…
Chandrasekhar said
Worst article. In every caste good people and bad people are there. You cant judge caste based on those bad people. Please mind your language in writing articles. There are many scholars and highly respected people are there in brahmins. People like you never digest the biographies of sankaracharya , ramakrishna paramahamsa, ramanujan, etc… as they are brahmins and you cant find the greatness of brahmins in them but you can find cruelness in bad people who are brahmins by caste and say brahmins is cruel race. This shows how pessimist you are. Change your attitude. Every caste has good and bad people. Every caste and religion is great. Nothing is upper and nothing is lower because everything came from GOD only.
prashaan shetty said
whoevaa wrote this article is high on low quality alcohol hahahahah
to all assclowns, Bunt in lost Sanskrit means powerful soldier or king of soldier ,, we are Nagvanshi Kshtriyas by origin ,the tuluva kings & knights in vijaynagara empires wer bunts, so wer all kings in tulunaad which we all call coastal karnataka !! Infact bunts kings brought shivali brahmins into tulunad as ter wer no brahmins centuries ago in tulunaad, so how is tht sudras or dalit ??!! I don’t believe in upper caste or lower caste, but wht kinda propaganda is this to make up some fake article ?? Grow up missionary funded asshole ur brainwashing wont wrk ,,
Manu said
Bunts caste is Vaishy community according to Vaidic classification this idiot call Bunts Dallit what a shame he is just bias and paid by Foreigners
to just make here mess in India so shut up Mr.Idiot
Akshith Shetty said
We are Kshatriyans
Hari said
The author has the most disgusting and ugly mind in the time that we live in. Either he is funded from west or gulf to create hate and mistrust or is from Pakistan.
navneethkishorer said
I don’t know how true the author is, so I won’t buy anything from this post, I’m 23 year old and I have been discriminated and rejected by the society just because i’m a dalit, and as I look at the comment section, everyone who is posting is trying to prove that “Bunt” is an upper caste and no one is actually looking at the subject of the post which is discrimination. So people, I just want to tell you being in Dalit’s Shoes that there is discrimination in the society and being a young 23 year old, I was really surprised to experience it. I wish it changes with time.
gtuio said
Never read a more ridiculous post than this before
gurudutt joshi said
Utter rubbish nothing else . Read the complete geneology of bunts in south karnataka ,they are mercineries and not dalits dont spread false propoganda.
Santosh sopan sawant said
I am also buddhist means mahar bramhin & rich muslim they help to each other which is not indian but they are In film acter they earn 4,5 Carore in one film and we 4,5 Thousand per month this is situation of real indian The real indian is bhikari and which is not indian they are millaniors because our political leaders are dogs of bramhin and responsible of Our people
jitu said
I am a brahman and i watched aishwarya first movie Aur pyar ho gaya and fell in love with her……….this post is so stupid. In INDIA hindu are 80% and top 3 actors are sharukh,salman&Amir this is because we support only things what our heart like not by religion.
PS : Author is full of negativity he shuld do some YOGA irrespective of his religion.
Logical Indian said
Have you lost it?
Please take the pain of doing some research before writing anything crap. Bunts popularly known as Shetty are Kshatriyas and no where close to shudras. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunt_(community)
And if you really confident about this, Try publishing this in any local newspaper of Tulunada and be ready to face the havoc!
tushar dudam said
Absolute crap and bogus news
Abraham Reeves said
It’s not the fault of a writer may be he has not seen brahmins & dalits mingling together. To be honest with everyone out here, I have read in the history books so much that I literally hated Brahmins to the core. I didn’t like the cast system at the first. Moreover, my family always wanted me to mingle with all cast & all religions, so that I could respect every individual irrespective of his/her cast. It’s unfortunate that in the 21st century we and our minds are still occupied by the negativity of the cast system. I am a wing commander serving for Indian Airforce & I feel ashamed of what kind of people we try to protect. Please come out of the place where you are living go to some military camp & ask someone about his religion or cast & they will laugh on your face.
I request you to come out of the place & people surrounding you, Go to some other state mingle with new people who don’t know you. You will have better vision of life.
jephthah said
because of caste system in India, India cannot be on what she wants to be today. if the caste system is abolish India will be one of the most peaceful and develop country in the world. because of caste system people have different mentality and could not have the full freedom even though we have the full freedom in our constitution. when we treat every Indian as an equal status then the result will come
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Prateek Joshi said
Author is mentally sick. And I am sure he belongs to Dalit community. He wants to get rid of casteism but even he didn’t himself till yet .
Sulochana Shetty said
U all people, shame on you for this rubbish talk. We are indians, this is the truth, nothing else. Please don’t talk like sick people. Thanx.
by one Indian
Danny said
Salman khans mother is a hindu brahmin. Now will u review ur comments?
sher singh said
Abhishek bachchan is kayasth which is dalit by decision of calcutta high court
Akash said
Sher Singh, I don’t know why some people like to spread this misinformation that Kayasthas have been adjudged Dalit by the courts.
It’s true that in Bengal the Brahmins played politics, 700 years ago, to declare every other caste than Brahmins (including Kshtriyas (Kayasthas) and Vaisya as Shudras, and thus ‘illegitimally” doing away with the four tier caste system.). However, even in that case, Kayasthas were kept as the highest among the Som Sudras (and not Dalits) and part of the Bhadra lok, along with the Brahmins.
(a) the Kayasthas, who were part of the Brahmin community earlier, refused to accept this, and,
(b) in any case this demotion of caste applies only to the Bengali Kayasthas.
The entire confusion was created by the Britishers who had merged Bihar and Bengal as one state. While Kayasthas in Bihar were Khsatriyas, the Kayasthas in Bengal had been controversially demoted as Shudras. The issue came up for hearing in a case of inheritance, where the Calcutta high court first assumed that the Bihari Kayasthas, like Bengali Kayasthas were Shudras. When this was challenged in the court, the courts referred the matter to the privy council, The Northern/ upper Kayasthas had garnered 10000 signatures from Brahmins of Benares before the privy council to support the case of Kayasthas as Kshatriyas. But, the privy council chose to remain the case open (and not give ruling in any direction) as it did not want to anger the powerful Bengali Brahmin community.
After Bihar became a separate state, the Patna high court gave a ruling that Kayasthas are decidedly Kshatriyas. But, those interested in spreading rumours do not mention that.
It is also claimed that the Allahabad High court gave a ruling classifying Kayasthas as Brahmins, though, I don’t have any evidence of that.
In reality, Bengali Kayasthas have directly orginated from Brahmins who migrated to Bengal from Kashmir, Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, and UP). Arranged marriages between Kayasthas and Brahmins in Bengal are common, (although, they are not traditionally common in Northern Kayasthas/ Brahmins). Many Kashmiri Pandits who fled from Kashmir due to Islamic forced conversions, are today Kayasthas in Bengal and still keep their Kashmiri surnames such as Dhar. Similarly, Nagar Brahmins from Gujarat, Mohiyal Brahmins from Punjab, etc. migrated to Bengal, and gradually separated from their parent Brahmin groups, as Kayasthas, because of various social and political factors.
https://www.forwardpress.in/2015/08/allahabads-blatantly-upper-caste-character/
Saka said
Lol. Are you mentally challenged Sher Singh? Your father must be a Dalit. We Kayasthas are not even part of the caste system because we are an Indo-Scythian race that came later into the subcontinent and Kayasthas are considered upper caste in all parts of India. We don’t get reservation of any sort. Kayasthas are less than 0.1% of total population of India, yet still the most successful.
Have you seen Neil Nitin Mukesh? He’s a Kayastha and is easily the fairest and best looking Indian male. Not even whites can compare with him. This looks like a Dalit to you stupid fuck?
The greatest empires in Indian history like the Karkota Dynasty, Pala Empire, Sen Empire, etc… were all founded by Kayasthas.
We ruled Kashmir for centuries. We ruled Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan) as well as Afghanistan. We successfully defeated the Turks in 8th century and drove them from Kashmir.
Still, these ungrateful Brahmins looked upons us with envy because we were more successful and they tried to bring us down by labelling us with the title of Shudra. But they had no affect.
Kayasthas exist not just in UP, Bihar and Bengal but Kayasthas are also Paharis in Himachal, Uttarakhand and north Nepal.
Even Radio was founded by a Kayastha J.C. Bose. So, don’t talk crap when you don’t have knowledge.
Saka said
You are either a dirty jealous shudra randichod or a rapist thakur. Go rape some ugly black village Randi, ugly gandu thakur.
NAVAJYOTI TIWARI said
Such a stupid reaserch makes our country weak and vulnerable to our enemies. Shame on you the person who posted such a stupidity.
Ganesh Shetty said
Who ever wrote this post knows nothing about bunts or Aishwarya Rai.Bunts are the kings on in coastal Karnataka.We r Kshatriyas not Shudras.
krishna nand mishra said
Really…only some chutiya may have problem to brahim…b’coz..such(dalit) don’t have any relaible information and barking like dogs…
I would like to say all of u…brahmins are the best only due to his hard labour and spirituality..
Don’t try to disturb us…
We were th future of th cntry and we are also we will forever…
Our history is proving..from millions of years ago..where there were no identity of #your organs
bunty said
mulla bhadva
Shit eat dalit said
This sudhras doenot know anything except begging every thing for free. And they live with the shit of upper castes like brahmins and other(using taxes). We cant expect anything else from this shit eater!!!
IM said
Are Bunts really proud of Aishwarya Rai?
Don’t think so…
Sharan Kunar said
Yes we are proud of her and we are proud of being Bunta being Kshatriyas of nagavanshi lineage!💪
bhaskar shetty said
she is a disgrace for the bunts community
Dileep ganasala said
I agree.. Have to vanish all threes bhramanical systems
S A said
three brahminical systems????….do you even know your country?
Praneeth said
Bunts are not shudras, bunts are kshatriya caste… Know the facts, history first before you post shit like this
kuttapann said
its true I am a gowda & brammins not only looting dalits but others also.hey are most cunnin ppl who came to india 2000 yrs back and still looting indian dalits,obcs,Bcs tribals etc,.such dangerous insects.they are just 1% of indian ppl and are ruling us look at this and these ppl are silent killers..look at the double game.these thugs are minsiters in moghuols,musslim kingdom and main officers during british era and today they PREACH against same ppl.these ppl advised not to cross SEA but today most of NRI s are brammins..cunning .
Raj said
One of the dumbest and baseless articles I have ever read in my life.
Ramesh said
Rubbish.I am a dalit but not a fool to believe this nonsense article.
mohammed is my allah said
What a fuck is this. Dalit fuck stupid fuck. Aishwarya rai was made popular by that Mani Ratnam who was a brahmin. Dalit nation fuck yourself. Allah subhanwatala and Mohammed sallahu alaihiwasallam will give you common sense. keep fucking you dalit nation.
Prakash said
Only one word…idiotic…
Abhishek belongs to half sikh half brahmin???
His father i.e amitabh is kayasth of allahabad…
Vishwanath rai said
Please get correct information…..bunts are not shudras they belong to upper caste and aishwarya rai also belongs to upper caste
What nonsense
Anonymous said
Why are you jealous of brahmins? Accept the harsh truth that they are successful. Don’t post such silly articles which make no sense. The information published by you is not authentic.
Vijay Shetty said
What sort of article is this. Utter rubbish and crap. Bunts are of Brahmin and Kshatriya descent. At least do some basic research before posting crap like this.
Shetty is exclusively used by the Bunt community.
Stupid Balija’s spoiling our surname/title.
S A said
Most ridiculous, ignorant, hateful article ever written and most of the comments here reek of equal ignorance! Appalling display of stupidity! Don’t you people have anything better to do!
Alegesan Pandithar said
Every one on earth is an Image of God(Imago Dei) and was born out from the same place decaying world; however everyone needs a revived mentallity and starts to pent his or her confidence.
S.V.Rao said
Does Aihswrya Rai look like a Shudra? Shudras are dark skinned people. Aishwarya is too fair to be called a Shudra.
Salman Khan is a Muslim. Why should Aishwarya Rai marry a Muslim? The Muslims are International terrorists and rapists.
Where do Brahmins come into picture here? Abhishek bacchan is not Brahmin! The Bachhans are actually Kayasthas. Where from Brahmins come into picture here? You hate Brahmins and you will also say, “The sun rises in the East because of Brahmins’ conspiracy, otherwise the sun would have risen in the west !”
Most insane imagination of a bloody caste minded fellow!.
Viky said
Chutiyaaa spotted 😀
Seriously this so called editor or blogger is a physcopath..not sure if it in his genes
shan said
bhaiya abhishek bachchan is not a brahmin nor is sushmita sen they both are Kayastha
Nail On said
There no no absurd article than this. Valmiki is a tribal and authored Ramayana revered by all and sundry. Krishna is a yadav and Mahabharata which explains caste system is written by sage Vyasa who is from fisherman caste. All the blame is thrown on weaker community Brahmins as they cannot respond violently. The author is shamelessly trying to justify Muslims who committed most crimes against humanity in the name of Religion. This kind perverted and distorted version about Hindus in general and Brahmins in particular is brain washed in our Universities like JNU, Jadhavpur Universities etc., These fellows never raised the atrocities committed by Muslims in India or after partition by Pakistan on Hindus. They have no guts to talk the truth!
Sharan Kunar said
Hello everyone!
Just shut up OK!
This article is true shit!
Rai,Shetty,Alva,Hegde,Chowta,Ballala,Adyantaya,Arasa,Ajila and 94 more are the surnames of Bunts who belong yo KSHATRIYAS of ‘Nagavanshi lineage’. They are descents of ‘Alupa Dynasty’ which ruled over the part of coastal Karnataka and upper Kerala region.They are high class people.During British raj they were landowners but they are now widely upon hotel business, bcos during land reforms act announced by Indira Gandhi they lost most of their heriditory lands and got scattered all over world and still due to their leadership qualities they regained their high class living standards.
Sharan Kunar said
Bunts(Shetty,Rai) belong to warrior class.
Snehal Joshi said
U fool idiot bastard writer,
Sonali Bendre is not a Brahman
She is Maharashtrian but she is not a Brahman
Article likhne se pehle check kiya karo kya likha h…u fool
U fuckin rascal
U scoundrel writer & website
indian said
Never knew India is a place where these kind of stupid writer lives…..feeling pitiful for this amazing culturuly riches country.
Akshith Shetty said
This article is totally fake, bunts are richest people in Karnataka, India and as well as in world. and we’re not dalits as this article mentioned and even we are not shudras, we are Kshatriyans. Our family belongs to warriors. Don’t under estimate our richness. Don’t try to disgrace us. We are against Jai Bhim, We are Jai Bajarangbali.
Mathews said
Don’t u have anyother work….Do u want caste system to perpetuate or vanish….It seels u like earlier one…..Always giving caste color to everything..Get lost..U are a bane to lower caste people..first end reservation if u want it to end…Younger generation come to know about caste system mainly when their fellows with less marks are given a freebie and they when they enquireally reason behind it
Saritha shetty said
First hav knowledge do research and then write something u fool….. bunts r Kshatriya’s not shudras… bunt itself means warrior.. warrior defines a Kshatriya…. v r the landlords and not Brahmins….
Mn said
I am just wondering how your brains work and why they work in that manner? How humbug things you create and write stuffs which are far away from truth. Aishwarya Rai is from Bunt community which is one of the most respected and financially strong one in Dakshina Kannada. And Aishwarya’s forefathers’ house is close to my maternal grandfather’s house. In our village, there is a Temple which was earlier managed by my grandfather but due to old age and financial troubles he couldn’t do well and instead handed the Temple administration to Aishwarya’s family. Today her uncle Shri Navinkumar Rai manages it.
Here is the fact. I am a Brahman, according to you, your arch enemy. But I don’t feel that you are my enemy. However I feel that you are absolutely stupid to write such untruths and try to influence other people. Whether you are a Dalit, a Muslim or any other I do not care and at any time I can mix with anybody and eat or drink with you.
Creating stories based on total lies and creating enmity against Brahmins won’t help you to progress in life. Instead try to educate yourself and attain some wisdom. It would help.
And it is surprising that none of us have ever heard of your great guy VTR or even his name. However with all due respects to him, please tell him that if he is really a Bunt, he wouldn’t have called himself a Dalit, because Aishwarya and all the Bunts…. Rai, Shetty, Alva, Bhandari ….all are forward and doing pretty well in life. Neither they hate poor Brahmins for any reason, we both are always together in managing all the temples and “Daiva sthanams” of Dakshina Kannada region.
MnRao said
I am really and greatly relieved that a large number of real Bunts (not of great VT Rajashekhar variety … but who is he?) have written and condemned this stupid article and idiot author. Eee Braanana bharee thanks maata bantrnaakleg.
mukundakrishna said
It is wrongly said as Aishwarya Rai belongs to Bunts community which is shudras. Bunts, Nair communities are I think not belong to Shudras, bus former Kshathrias. I think this is written by someone of other religion with fake identity and his attempt is to split the integrity of hindus by caste. The points raised are almost all worthless. It is better to neglect this.
Vaibhav said
Hahaha…
Singh said
Pathetic nonsensical bullshit from a disturbed moron with an inferiority complex. Clearly a muslim with no brains, sense or anything else. Fucktard racist, full of hatred because you’re a worthless piece of shit.
Singh said
Utter bullshit by a muslim inbred as usual. Aishwarya Rai is BRAHMIN. Stupid fools that hate in Brahmins are threatened by them. Go take your bullshit lies and stick it up your ass.
Shwetha Rai said
This is the most ill informed article written ever. First of all, Aishwarya rai is a bunt, it’s an upper caste in coastal India. Please Learn about it first. It is in the general category in the central list. It is a wealthy caste n they are urban . /secondly ur Article unnecessarily brews tension on caste lines by playing the victim card. History hasn’t been kind to Dalits, agreed. But hate mongerong like this will obly further them from mainstream
Truth said
Author lacks proper knowledge. He is full of hate and is spreading only hate and his self made stories. For any society to grow it is necessary that truth is found and respected. Author is on wrong path.
Varun said
Just a stupid article. Do some research ah!!!
For ur kind information the editor in chief VT Rajashekar Bunts are not Dalits or shudras.
They are from kshatriya lineages and we’re the vassals of the kings right from the time of Vijayanagar empire. And also bunts do not fall in any sort of caste system but it is the Indian government who gave them the status of OBC but now GM.
Samar Singh said
This is a pretty ridiculous article. I am very anti-caste and would want all my Dalit brothers to prosper and do well in life AND hopefully we destroy all semblance of caste. Having made that clear, the information in the article is crap. I am a Bunt (Shetty) myself. I don’t have an issue to being called a Dalit but as far as I know Bunts are land-owning/farming community. I openly say, I don’t know our caste. But Bunts are rich and powerful. Every village is/was ruled by a Bunt or a Jain. Similar to the Thakur culture in North India. The village head is called Patler. I don’t see how this reflects what our Dalit brother have to face.
And they moved into restaurants, business and are extremely well off. So really a silly article. And using Aishwarya and making up silly caste stories is sad. I would advise you to delete this article if you want to be taken seriously.
Jai Bhim!
Sandip Shetty