Brahmins Destroyed the dravidian Indus Valley civilization

We dalits had created the greatest civilization on earth in Harappa and Mohenjadaro. The Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this. But out historians don’t even talk about this. We have the living proof of harappa and mohenjadaro in pakistan. My heart bleeds when I see those ruins. How cruel the brahmins are. This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization. We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.

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  1. china man said

    ahahahah you indians make such fool of your selves.

    dalit hindu muslim high caste low caste

    it is all a british divide and rule strategy..

    lol

    • Arya jati said

      All Indo-Aryan people stay united.
      Mullahs are plotting to divide us.

      Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Khatris, Rajputs, Jats, Sikh jutts, Gurjars, Marathas have the same genes and are the same people.
      Don’t be fooled by tribe names and castes. They came later to organize the indo-aryan people.

      Even Muslim Jats, Rajputs and Pashtuns are from the same indo-aryan family.
      This is confirmed by genetics of south asians.

      So I request all Indo-Aryans across faiths, caste and tribes to stay united and not fight amongst each other.

      It is described in Tuzuk-e-Babari how Babar the mongol mercilessly killed the Pashtuns when their ancestors refused to convert. But when your neck is under the sword you hardly have a choice.
      Though their religion has changed today yet their genes haven’t changed and will never. They are still Indo-Aryan people belonging to the genotype r1a1a, g2a, and j2a
      This is exactly the reason why pastuns had a bitter relation with the mughals.
      To this date they can’t see the Hazaras who are Turko-mongol

      • Thyagarajan said

        It is needless to work out a voluminous theory to conclude about Aryans or Dravidians.A DNA testing of Haplogroups has been key to revealing races and ethnicities across the globe.The haplogroup R1a1 belongs to the Aryans( particularly Sycthians)..Note that this haplogroup is 10,000 years old only..The haplogroup H or L is said to constitute a Dravidian DNA.The mutation defining haplogroup H took place at least 25,000 years ago, and perhaps closer to 30,000 years ago.So the age of difference between the 1st appearance of Dravidians and that of Aryans is some 15,000 to 20,000 years …..hahahaha

      • https://neemkapaudha.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/why-i-see-casteism-more-as-class-problem/

    • andilingam said

      It appears that the say, ‘little knowledge is dangerous’ is true. High caste and low cast system is not from British but from Brahmins!! Indians were United way before the British. We have been united and ruled under the Maurya Emperor which comprises a swathe of land not only India but including todays Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan. If anyone think the British has done the unification, they are absolute idiots. On the other hand a unified state of mind on its citizens were developed across India as a result of the persisting British aggression. Read about Lord Dalhousies doctrines. He is the mastermind of ‘Divide and Rule’ policy which eventually split India again into Pakistan and Bangladesh. However, the British wasn’t as evil as the Brahmins (read about Aryan Invasion) who wiped out The Indus Valley Civilization (true Hinduism) and looted the treasures, vedas and even changed the history books. for eg., Duryodhanas real name was Suyodhana. Du means bad. Su means good. All true leaders of the Indus valley resistance were names with the suffix ‘du” and through ages and through falsified info, they ruled us until British came to take their share. Well, there used to be a say in South India,…if you see a Brahmin and a deadly snake at the same time, you should eliminate the Brahmin first! If you got enough wits, think to what country the brahmins Swastika has connection to!!!

      • sanath Reddy said

        HEY PORKY PIG OF PERIYAR REGIME….WHY DON’T YOU SETTLE DOWN IN PORKISTAN. YOU WILL FIND SO MANY SNAKES THERE. U DON”T HAVE TO KILL THEM AS BELONG TO UR REGIME !!!GOOD LUCK TRY THIS.

      • kkramer said

        You said it yourself – a little knowledge is too dangerous! You are dimwitted and and close to being an illiterate. Why do you keep on harping on the hapless Brahmins for your stupidity? By the way, the saying to kill a brahmin is not from South India but by the dumb EV Ramasamy Naicker and his goons. They had nothing better to do than to harass the poor brahmins.

  2. dalitnation said

    TO CHINA MAN

    Another Brahmin under denail. Why can’t brahmins just read their own Manu Smrithi. You will know who created Divide and Rule. The british united India. Without the British there would be no such thing as India. It is the British who created the country called India. Hinduism is all about divisions – Jati and Varna.

    • ashfaq said

      O Dalit,
      You seem to be a fool in yourself and your Periyar a PIG. Aryans were actually people from Central asia and Europe who came here in search of warmth and food. Those who raped your mothers and sisters were today’s Pakistanis,North Indians, Afgans etc.
      Periyar should be killed if he comes to Pakistan.

      • pradeep said

        dai ashfaq,you are such a ass hole dont talk rubissh about our great leader he is great than your nehru and all congress leaders asshole you muslims where the hell you come from,you were nomads in search of food and you were more or less like an beggers before asshole

      • Saradindu Biswas said

        Are u a human Ashfaq? Your language is just an expression of an animal coming from barbarian age! Never you red EVR Periyar. Never you heard of his SELF RESPECT movement for the aboriginal people of this country. Periyar was a great human. Periyar is an icon now. You have not a single kind of weapon that can kill him. You are those kind of self-oblivious and unfortunate people have been enjoying animalism where no Periyar born.

      • rknaidu said

        Periyar was a true Hindu stood for truth.

        Perverted Brhmins, like Pigs in draingacanal. Devided us on cast, verna nonsence.

        Present troubles in india is directly related to pervert brhminisms scams, cult, .

        Though , In villeges their influences is vanishing and there is mix of Sudra blood in them from their womens interest in Sudra wariors.

        Wake up all sudras.

        follow Great man Periyar.

      • vinoth said

        my dear real fool and PIGGGG
        Brahmins raped your sister and mother. For their crime why should periyar die??? you MADDDDDDD

      • gaganvikram said

        its we who thought you martial arts don’t forget that ! it was a tamil king bodhidharma!

      • lauda krishnass m[]m said

        ashfaq u discuss abt pakishtani muslim gods and shia sunni, suth muslims people.. y discussing abt indian religions or caste…. Self respect movement by periyar was a awakening call and direction and path for us to follow liberate and end the dirty brahmin gods gowndaism and money extrotinism…..

    • dalitsena said

      Dalit are reasons why india is still not emerging,hello dalit first take bath then will see all later

      • ZBOHajheru said

        Well I dont know much but I am not Indian from India,but I am blacker than the night and I bathe in clean water and still black. Women stop and stare I have the ability to make them call my name. I am a Bahamian prince.
        …..I was very glad to read the article and the comments and insults. I have been trying to find out why the dravedians or dravidians have the word veda or vedi in their ethnic classifications and were did the vedas really come from? Where they stolen by the brahnims and why does Ajanta have notty hair with african women? Where did the Harrappan civilization go? Why the hell would a brahnim worship black gods and goddesses? I guess Krishna needs to take a bath to? Now if you have the answer,…. I do too and once again I’m not from India but I sympathesize with THE DRAVEDIANS or Dalits! I am the dark and your king I am a true descendant of the hidden divinities, living distant from the material matrix. I will do destroy you without touching you!!!! If any of you pale mortals leave any racially biased writing against my people fire will burn your soul.

      • mani said

        Mr Rk Naidu,
        Periyar belongs to your caste(Balija).that’s why u speaking like that .beware,dalits marrying your women also haha. same periyar told nowadays cost of food and shirt increasing because of dailts wearing and eating.haha.why dailt web sites supporting peiryar i donot understand he always against not only brahmins even dailts

        Mr Biswas,

        we more read on periyar history than you we are more match than you if you come for argument.

    • rajkumar said

      1>did any brahmin came and bombed you and your family as muslims r doing throught world declaring in top voice JIHAD read out from kuran? what wd have been your organizations and dalit media reaction if brahmins had done such bombings? how many dalit papers say a word about this jihad 2>no where in the world has reservation given to dalit/downtrodden people . google inclusion equality . u will get how far dalits have come up due reservation. no reservation is not rights of any sect . never heard so about reservation in whole world. even centuries of slaves got only affirmative action.. dalits though need it for few more decades..3> why are the 1group not giving internal division in reservation to 2nd group of dalits like madigas.. you cant give equality to your brother ..what is response of dalit media ..whispers..why not agitation by ALL dalits asking for interanl reservation..4> stop hating brahmins so much based on theories.. propagated by dalit papers.. 5> accept fact that many brahmins have stood for dalit rights through centuries.. and still are doing that. 6>come out of that logic ..x said this .y said that..etc..

    • Jiten said

      You do realize that the Arthashastra was written much after the decline of the IVC, right…?

      And the IVC, as per scholarly consensus, was not “destroyed,” but declined due to environmental conditions.

      And you want to kill Brahmins? Is this what the Buddha would have wanted? Just saying…

    • stop blame it useless it only destruct you self, please don’t blame the bramins only it part of nature system. the smartest and the strongest it should be on the top even they are the smallest population, the fool, stupid and week should be down under, i canot imagine if who supposed stay down under but stay on the top even they are the lagest population. and who can adapted well they will survive it law of nature, you should blame your self and your people also because of this, why dont you try to change yor people capability first, sorry this is just only my oppinion

    • Babu Raj said

      The best thing British Rulers did for Indians,though unwittingly,was the creation of an united India

  3. KT said

    Your statement “Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost ” is not going to make you great. Listen to Jesus: It is in the weakness you have the power. Study ML King who made the white supremists to become aware of their moral weakness despite physical power.

  4. Indica said

    V T Rajasekar’s writing is 500% insensible and it shows that he did not go and read the history by himself and instead heard from some one about the Dravidians and Aryans story and blabber in the net. The concoted story of Brahmins came from central asia will not work. Even if they came from Central Asia, there is no issue because the Aganda (Wide) Bharath (India) was not only restricted to what we see today as INDIA. Even in Mahabharatha, dhirudharashtiran’s wife Gandhari came from country Gandhar which is at present in Afganistan. So, don’t try to fool the public by saying unholy things about Brahmins. Out of jealous, few tamilians (wrongly guided by E V Ramasamy) propagate bad against Brahmins unjustifiably. Only Brahmins (Brahmins were in Majority fighting the Britishers in spite of their less percentage in population) won the independence for India. Only the Brahmins spearheaded the development of TAMIL Language and Sanskrit language which are stated to be the OLDEST ever language in the universe. Only Brahmins uphold the culture of IYAL(Writings), ISAI (music) and NATAGAM(drama), Spiritualism in the modern India and they still preserve it. The very culture of Tamilians is better preserved in the hands of Brahmins. Even the culture of the whole India being upheld by these Brahmins. Few other (very little) persons in other castes are jealous of Brahmins for their best culture, best education, Righteousness, best characters, utmost belief to GOD, Help others wherever possible, fighting the intruders and foreigners, etc, etc, and these small percentage of other people have been talking funny things about Brahmins, but no one is going to believe them. Even, Ambedkar had come to such heights with the help of a Brahmin teacher called “Ambedkar”. That is why, Baba saheb Ambedkar had named himself after the name of his beloved teacher as AMBEDKAR. The ugly man E V Ramasamy ( unnecessarily upheld by political hooligans as Periyar, but really not so) who came from Karnataka (whose mother tongue is Kannada and he uses to speak in Kannada even in his house those days) spoiled the whole society by following divide and rule policy between Brahmins (who were in high esteem just because of their good culture, education, character, etc) and the so called lower castes. EVR was very jealous of RAJAJI’s fame and popularity. We do not know as to why he has to have jealous on RAJAJI. Rajaji is the Mountain and EVR is like valley. No comparison can be done. Even EVR is unpatriotic and this ugly man had gone to the extent of saying “NO independence is required for INDIA”. He wanted Britishers to continue the rule. EVR was against our Father of Nation, Mahatmaji, Nehruji, SC Boseji, Patelji, Rajaji, Sathyamoorthyji and other great freedom fighters. EVR was having such ugly culture that he had even married a girl of age 16 when he was 70 years old. What is the difference between EVR and Pramananda samiyar??? May be, one or two persons in the Brahmin community would have done something wrong by mistake, but on the whole the very Brahmins had done great good and best things for India and continue to do those. Considering the % of population of Brahmin community, the wrong doings by few are negligible. Even if we go to some villages, we can see that the low caste people are not treated properly by other castes except Brahmins. TVR looks like a fool when he said that “Brahmins are to be killed”. Perhaps, he thinks that Brahmins are so coward. In Modern world, it is not so. If needed, we can also take swords and guns. Don’t under-estimate. We are god-fearing people and to do away with sins, but do not think that we can not do anything if we are ill-spoken and ill-treated. Be careful. If we go on write about this, it would take a whole book. So, we stop with this now. For God’s sake, we pardon TVR. God bless TVR.

    • broken wings said

      dude,
      it is so evident thet u belong to the brahmin community, and the narrow mindedness so apparent in your words….it has been 5,00,000 years since the ape started walking and you are still stuck in deflated glory when all u are is just a slave to propaganda ,and the whole race of ours brutually parasitic.
      Apart from the initial races and aboriginal races none else has lived in harmony with the nature…we have been bent on sucking everything out giving nothing.After the earth was completely depleted the greedier ones started expoliting and dominating the weeker and more peaceful ones. The aryans ,today the whites and brahmins are only a small minority.

      Mahatmaji, Nehruji, SC Boseji, Patelji, Rajaji, Sathyamoorthyji and all the other fuckin ji’s are nothing but extended instruments of explloitation with fake masks of compassion .Proof, their families still holding the throne in democracy like dynasties of lore.

      It would have much more decent and I would have appreciated your balls if you had just mentioned…”Survival of the Fittest”’..rather than trying to whitewash all these blood suckers.

    • raavanan said

      The bloody brahmins are destroyed the indus valley civilisation. But the dravians [Nagars] living from indus valley upto Australia. While the bloddy brahmins entered into indus valley, they destroyed the Nagars[dravidians] culture. Hole India was living by Pandiyars. The bloody brahmins changed the history for their favour. The great Pandiya’s king Nediyon was controlled the hole india[Pandiya country]. But the bloody brahmins changed pandias history to pandavas [like pandiayars-pandavas-bharathava]-[pandiya country-baratha country]. Even Brahmins doest not have a propper language, even sanskrit does not having letters only sound, they copied from Tholkappiam. The Rik vedha is righting style copied from Tholkappiam’s literature. After 2000yrs back the Great Periyar has saved the dravidians. The great Periyar and Ambedkar were saved the nations. Save Dravidians, Eradicate Aryans. Save the Pandiya country.

      • pradeep said

        super super super just finish it off

      • paratrup2012 said

        Yes due. Your Nediyon controller whole of India and that is why whole of India speaks Hindi – an aryan language

      • mani said

        hi Ravanan,
        why u put Ravanan name. Ravanan is brahmin, why u refere tholkappiam.tholkappayar is brahmin. ha ha ha you fool.

      • Shankar said

        Lucky that all other Dravidians spread across the Indian ocean. Had it been you, that would have spoiled the name of our wonderful scholarly country. You moron, get your language and vocabulary correct first. Idiotism to the peak.

    • aathees22@yahoo.in said

      you are a brahmin who makes up stories about the greatest achievements of brahimns. dont you dare say brahmins were freedom fighters they were busy plundering the wealth of the nation by allinging themselves with the british.

      if you see the history of a way of life were we pray to lord shiva,vishnu etc our area has been shrinking every century because of the perversion of the brahminsim and the dirty attitude of the brahmins. you do not have moral rights to speak about periyar, periyar was right when he said spare the snake and beat the brahmin.

      • paratrup2012 said

        Yes and |Periyar was an atheist. Why are you interested in reading any religious scriptures whether Hindu or Christian if you are a follower of Periyar?

      • mani said

        hi aathees,

        I suppose you are not much about periyar. Periyar is bristish agent.as you have less knowledage, i leave you

    • Dravid said

      Dear Indica, you are another person who believes in Brahminism. Just have couple of counter points. If you are aware of the Tamil literatures well, the ones that were written on people, society. love and bravery were mostly not written by brahmins. you know what there are many valid points to say Thiruvalluvar was from a lower caste.
      point 2. you said it is the brahmins who fought against British? Even British will laugh at you. The kings and freedom fighters of south India were not brahmins. and the kings and brahmins were ready to give away their power by settling for administration work so that they will still be controlling ordinary citizens. There are still princes in North India. but in the south, the kings did not oblige and lost everything. The brahmins who fought for freedom very well knew the condition that is changing for freedom. they said Indians will fight in world war 2 but british should give freedom. see who will fight and who will get freedom and who will finally rule them? pathetic. and regarding ambedkar’s teacher. I am not saying all brahmins are bad. but the word brahminism can be applied to even non-brahmins who are cunning. brahmins controlled the mobility of non-bramins and a great soul like Ambedkar’s teacher had to show the way for Babasaheb. but if the society was not so heartlessly controlled by brahmins there have been millions of educated Babasahebs. why should education be given out of a brahmin’s will? society was so bad under brahmins’ control. go back home and study about how cruel it was to live under caste control. now you are saying Brahmins were great in culture bla bla… they forcibly took it from the people not that they earned it.

  5. ajinomotu said

    “We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”

    What are you smoking dude.

    Chanakya lived in around 200 BC. Chanakya’s Arthashastra is a wonderful and scholary treatise on political science and governance. It is one of the first such treatise in the world. There is a great degree of Humanism in Chanakya’s Arthashastra. He is far ahead of his times.

    Indus valley according to archealogists was during the 15 – 30th century BC. You are really a genius to link Chanakya with Indus valley civilization. Brahmins were probably not there during that time. There is no record of any archealogical evidence that indus valley was destroyed by anyone least of all brahmins. Most of the archealogists claim that it was destroyed due to drought like the mesopotamian and babylonian civilizations. No historian or scholars believe this nonsense that you and your dravidian and dalit historians are concocting as history. Even historians of the left and european historians who bad mouth hinduism don’t beleive in this history which is utter crap.

    Periyar was a british stooge whose whole aim was to dismantle Hinduism and he used to cook up all kinds of funny theories that dravidians were in the indus valley civilization. I will suggest that the tamil dravidian parties headed by Karunanidhi should go to pakisthan and claim the Harrappa and Mohenjadaro sites. That will be fun.

    • raavanan said

      Actually the Dravidian word is not correct. The Nagars and Iyakkars are correct. The Nagars were living from Sindhu veli [indus valley] up to Australia. The bloody aryans came just 3000yrs before and they doesnot have a propper language. Mr.Karunanidhi can claim the hole country for dravidians and also from pakistan, afkanistan, bangladesh up ilankai. But unfortunately bloody brahmins spoiled him also. Brahmins are poison, so that the Great Periyar called to destroy the bloody people.

    • Sushma said

      PRESENT DAY DMK IS REALLY TRUE FOLLOWERS OF PERIYAR. THEY ARE TRUE DRAVIDIANS. LET US APPLAUDE THE ACHIVEMENTS OF
      1. A.RAJA
      2. KANIMOZI
      3. MARANS ETC.

      PROBABLY THEY ARE USING MONEY LOOTED THROUGH SCANDALS TO RESTORE GLORY OF DRAVIDIANS. LONG LIVE DRAVIDIANS & FOLLOW THE FOOT STEPS OF ISLAM

  6. “I will suggest that the tamil dravidian parties headed by Karunanidhi should go to pakisthan and claim the Harrappa and Mohenjadaro sites. That will be fun.”

    Let me add to that. Musharraff is a dalit, so he will certainly help you. Good luck 😀

  7. dalitnation said

    Don’t try to erase the dalit and dravidian history by your pack of lies. The Dravidians are the natives of this land. Your own Vedas called them the dark coloured Dasyus and enslaved them. Go read your history.

    • Sukra Charya said

      “Your own Vedas called them the dark coloured Dasyus …”.

      Very good. So, you DO accept Vedas as authoritative. Good.
      Now, tell us the exact text and verse.

      • pradeep said

        hey we dravidans were everything,before you brahmins are only pimps for the white people and sent your wives and daughters to white people just earn money and position

  8. young brahmin said

    fuck you dalits

    • r said

      soon u will be fucked back.

    • Jagdish said

      Your days are gone now ,you can’t make the people anymore

  9. Dear Dalit,

    The Earliest Known Vedic Literature Existed around 3600 BCE. This is proved in the form of fossils and literature we have today which have been unearthed by dalit excavators and dalit archaeologists from you own dalit community.

    The Aryan Invasion as per the Christian dating system happened around 1600 BCE. So if the Invasion happened and if that is now brahmins came into existence from aryans then vedic literature should not be older than 1600 BCE but unfortunately it is and its a proved scientific fact. Its not you think claims of smoke out of the ganja you smoked before writing this article.

    Secondly no civilization is static. Every Civilization has influences, so does the vedic civilizations that has aryan influences from europe. The so called dalit race can also be tracked to ancestral tracts of african tribes. That is science of human racial cycle, if at all you know some science.

    Thirdly the Indus Valley Civilization was formed around river settlements. This was around a river called “Saraswathi” which dried up. The drought lasted over 300 years and the civilization abandoned and moved up north. There are no traces of war or invasion that caused Indus Valley Civilization to come to an end. If a war or conquest brought the Indus valley civilization to and end then it must have traces of weapons, fire, destroyal in the fossils but there is none. The Indus Valley Civilization in fact had only thin spear like weapons. They did not have swords, daggers and other artillery that were necessary for warfare. This proves again no conquest or war or invasion happened.

    These are just starters to prove the point the Aryan Invasion theory is a thin air smoke puffed out by the cigars of christian missionaries so that they can convert the uneducated tribal and dalit crowd to christianity.

    • kandasamy said

      i accept of what of all you have said than why did brahmins prohibit to read the sricputures ecexpt the brahmins for such a long time.

      the only community that survived for so many centuries without making an effort to earn their bread or rice or whatever is the bhramin

      west bengal welcomed china invading our country in 1962 war and all those were communist bastards of brahmin origin

      • paratrup2012 said

        Why, could you not read Puranas, itihasas, stortras – where all these prohibited to you? Did you never attend any Bhagavata Sapthaham? Did you not witness any Harikatha dance? Only Vedas were prohibited. In Kerala there are still some namboodiris and namibishan who are also brahmins who do not have right to learn vedas. It was nothing specific against dalits per se

      • ecosoc said

        Was language learning (sanskrit) open to sudras and others, and “Only Vedas were prohibited”?…
        Only ‘acceptable’ folk traditions (as you mentioned) adapted to a redacted Great (sanskritic) tradition has been thge norm.
        Indian history has lost the account of animus towards Buddhism (begun with Upanishadic reform), and the particularist treatment of Dalits, especially after 8-900 AD.
        Indus valley authorship too seems to vest with Dravidians/ Mediterraneans (whose cult of the Mother Goddess was legitimated as consort/s and subordinated to Aryan Gods).
        Muslim rule appeared to have offered no respite to Dalits, as status quo was maintained (except for some sufi engagement with Buddhist philosophy).
        We must now reconstruct a plausible history from diverse historiographic sources…see Amartya Sen (address to IHC, Calcutta, HT, 12 Jun,2001); (Kandyil, 2009; Bryant, 2001)++

  10. ????? said

    “Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them.” You and mr ramaswamy seem to be the greatest believers in the caste system. One must have scientific reasoning and Rationalistic thinking and must not belive irrationalists like ramaswamy blindly. You must debate and learn the flaws your writing

  11. happyhindu said

    Am a near zero in history — but dalitnation thrives in sub-zero (<-1) ‘historical conditions’ 😀

    Can you please prove it that dalits created harappa; or that brahmins alone came from central asia? Instead I might say that several so-called ‘dravidians’ (who call themselves ‘dalits’) also came from central asia.

    People of the sub-continenet more or less share ancient common origins. There is no aryan-dravidian-brahmin, kshatriya-vaishya-shudra as races – they had existed (and perhaps seek to exist) as cultures.

    People everywhere have always fought, lost, won, integrated, organized and re-organized themselves as social structures. India has a strange history of defeating its enemeies and absorbing them, not throwing them out. Itihaasas unfortunately record only the wars, not the post-integration.

    The fact that Periyar asked you not to defend yourself from a snake but instead kill a man who cud provide you with some spiritual emancipation, should tell you a lot about the man. Social equality could have been brought about by other means, not the ones he adopted.

    What exactly is your problem? Always blaming someone or the other for your conditions?

    When your finger points at someone, remember there are 3 pointing back at you. Blame game and finger-pointing keeps you exactly where you are.

    • ZBOHajheru said

      if you or ancestors have caused any harm to my people fall to your knees and pray explain the truth to the creator of the illusion. He will tell you then you will point the finger in your eye…..astral

  12. Arulalan said

    My first point would be that the division between the so-called ‘Aryans’ and the so-called ‘Dravidians’ is not one of race, but one of languages. Max Mueller, the man credited with concocting the Aryan Invasion Theory, wrote, “I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language…to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar.”

    History tells us that the AIT was subverted into a strategy to divide the Indian populace and also had unfortunate and unintended implications with respect to Germany. Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, the British geneticist of the Oxford University, wrote this in his book, The Real Eve:

    “South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a ‘male Aryan Invasion of India.’

    Study of the geographical distribution and the diversity of genetic branches and stems again suggests that Ruslan, along with his son M17, arose early in South Asia, somewhere near India, and subsequently spread not only south-east to Australia but also north, directly to Central Asia, before splitting east and west into Europe and East Asia.”

    And as far as I’m aware, I don’t think Dr. Oppenheimer is the member of any ‘Hindutva’ conspiracy, though you are free to believe as you will.

    Another point I would make is with regards to the present situation of the Dalit people. I am a Hindu and I will be the first to admit that the Dalit people have been mistreated for centuries and centuries now, have been subjugated under a perverted system of injustice and discrimination, and for a large part, still suffer under oppressive conditions. I think the responsibility of every Hindu, regardless of caste or creed, should be to help his fellow brother in whatever manner as needed and required. But, I don’t think there should be a sense of patronization involved either. The independence or the autonomy of the Dalit people has to be maintained, that sense of pride that can do wonders in terms of individual upliftment.

    I know that there will be some that will disagree with me, but I believe that Hinduism has set out by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and the sages in the Upanishads has no place for any sort of discrimination. This is a religion that believes in the unification of all men in Brahman, the enlightenment that can be achieved by all men in their recognition and realization of that transcendental and higher power. There can be no place for division. A Brahmin is a man who has achieved that enlightenment and sees God in every one of brother and by that measure, it seems that there are hardly any real Brahmins in today’s society. I know that through the course of history, some aspects of Hinduism, unjustifiably, have been subverted and perverted by some people to accommodate the caste system we see today. But, I don’t think Hinduism should be faulted for its presence or that Hindus should be vilified for its presence. Instead, I think that the true nature of Hinduism should be called upon as a solution to the problem that we face today. As an example, I would cite the history of slavery in America. The enslavement of African-Americans were, in part, justified by the Bible by the slave-masters of the South, through the verses from Leviticus, among others. But, history also tells us that many of the abolitionists used other aspects of the Bible in their attempts to defeat that evil practice. I strongly believe that the same can be and should be done with Hinduism.

  13. happyhindu said

    Agree with you Arul, it might not be impossible that some population groups migrated out of India moving towards central asia in ancient antiquity and a branch then migrated back into India in recent antiquity. Its not far & considering there is only so much land in the sub-continent, there is only that much space to move around, fight, reconcile. Indians are naturally India-specific lineages. Only the country’s borders look different now.

  14. Jose Thomas said

    I don’t have time to check up on Arul’s facts but I’m inclined to agree with them. But the comments seem to have not addressed the underlying tone of the original message by V.T.Rajashekhar. His point is to destroy everyone who has abused his caste in the past. This is a message of anger and is a incredibly stupid ideology to be following in this day and age. If we were to set right every wrong committed in the past 4000 years, with this attitude, everyone would have to die. So I would suggest a solution is to live by your own conscience. Don’t believe in some ancient book just because other people tell you to. Use your common sense and work towards a solution. This sort of ethnocentric view is so primitive and impedes any solution to the real problems (like poverty, disease,…).

  15. John said

    Actually it has been proved that the Aryan Invasion theory is a myth created by Westerners to divide India. Sadly fools like those that run this site perpetrate this myth. Sad.

  16. C.L.CHUMBER said

    someone in this website,praised chankya & his Arath Shastra. In his book he wrote how to finfsh your enemies by plotting conceperacies .he wrote,one should kill his foe by dismantling the wall.Guru Nanak was escaped in his marriage time when some chankyas tried their best to kill Guru Nanak at Batala(Pb.)by throwing wall on him.This wall is still perserved in Gurudwra Kandh(wall)Sahib at Batala in distt,Gurdasspur on Amritsar-Pathankot road.Guru Nanak was escaped but the chankyas were succeeded by finishing Guru Chokh Mela/Guru Tuka Ram by throwing wall on him ! Chankya wrote that a person can finish his foe by dismantling balcony.At Batala,chankyas were failed to finish Guru Nanak But succeeded to finish Maharaja Kanwar Nau Nihal Singh grand son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh by dismantling balcony. I think arth-shastra is more dangerous than Manu-simiraty ! That is why Indian Govt.named an award on Chankya !Someone wrote that Aryans raped our women .He must read manu_simarity in which manu wrote that adi-vasis married brahmin ladies.Our fore father Adi-bhagwan Valmiki stood against Maryada-purushotam Ram on Sita banishment .that is why he is branded as a dacoit by Ramwadis ,Why? Sita revolted agaist Ram-rajya.Her sons Lav & kusha defeated Ram.Guru Kabir wrote in his Gurbani that Ram is my father-in-law & I am his son-in-law !The person who worship Ram ,is a dog & will go to hell !That is why the brahmins called him` haramzada`.Guru Kabir asked the Brahmins to be born by another way !–cl_chumber@yahoo.com

  17. JB said

    U have really shown ur true color nd justified y u r at bottom of the society.It is bcoz of ur mentality and cheapness.

  18. C.L.CHUMBER said

    respected sir/madam,I sent a reply email which did not surfaced on your web page.Pl do the needful & oblidge.Thanks.

  19. Sanatan said

    To Mr Chumber,

    Mr Chumber you are typical of the Dalit intellegenttia. All the time concoting false history and weaving conspiracy theories. I am always amused to listen to morons like you. I am just wonderstruck by the brainwashing you have gone through.

    “someone in this website,praised chankya & his Arath Shastra”

    The arthashastra of Chanakya is praised by many as an exemplary text on political science. This was written more than two millenia ago and is on par with such political treatises as Plato’s republic.

    ” In his book he wrote how to finfsh your enemies by plotting conceperacies .he wrote,one should kill his foe by dismantling the wall.”

    Chanakya wrote about many things from Revenue management and administration and Warfare in his arthashastra. He was a great chronicler of his times on the political machinacantions and strategegies pervelant during those times.

    “Guru Nanak was escaped in his marriage time when some chankyas tried their best to kill Guru Nanak at Batala(Pb.)by throwing wall on him.”

    Now this is typicla of Dalit writings. Linking up totally unrelated things. Guru Nanak lived in the 15th century and god know how Mr. Chumber links him up with Chanakya. When he says Chanakya does he mean Brahmins? or Does he mean Evil people? It seems you have no sense of history and showcase what an Idiot you are. Just playing around with blame game and identity politics.

    “I think arth-shastra is more dangerous than Manu-simiraty ! That is why Indian Govt.named an award on Chankya !”

    What award is this. Please let us know. You are smoking too much cheap hashish from your north indian dalit hasish suppliers.

    “Our fore father Adi-bhagwan Valmiki stood against Maryada-purushotam Ram on Sita banishment .that is why he is branded as a dacoit by Ramwadis ,Why? Sita revolted agaist Ram-rajya.Her sons Lav & kusha defeated Ram.”

    Oops Valimiki was against Rama. Great. You have such a great intellect. After you die Mr Chumber your Brain should be preserved for eternity in a museum.

    “Guru Kabir wrote in his Gurbani that Ram is my father-in-law & I am his son-in-law !The person who worship Ram ,is a dog & will go to hell !That is why the brahmins called him` haramzada`.Guru Kabir asked the Brahmins to be born by another way”

    Guru Kabir’s guru Ramananda was a Brahmin.

  20. C.L.CHUMBER said

    Dears JB ji Thanks for taking serious notice of my views. JB ji wrote that I had shown my true colour & justified that I was on the bottom of society.How & Why ? If a person expresses his/her views freely,frankly & logically,everyone should welcome & encourage him/her.But JB said derogatory remarks against me without giving befitting reply to my views.Once late Pt. Kamlapati Tripathi said that he did not like three acts of Bhagwan Rama.1.Rama telling Surpnakha that he is unmarried.2.Sita`s banishment by Rama.3.Rama killed Ballley by deceived means.Was Pt.Taripathi on the bottom of society ? He was cabinet minister in the center & head of the brahmin lobby in the congress at center level.JB ji must clear to which society he/she belongs.What are the cariterias of top,middle & bottom of a society ? Everyone will condemn his/her authoritative,irrational views.He must read Dr.Bhim Rao Ram Ji Ambedkar`s`The Riddles of Hinduism` published by the Maharashtra Govt..He must also read Mr.P.H.Gupta Bar-at Law`s book `My study in Ramayna` which is now translated & published in Hindi by the renowned Delhi Book Co.,Canaught Place,New Delhi.DR.Ambedkar burnt Manu-simariti on 27th Dec.1927 at the Kranti Bhumi ( the revolutionary land) at Mahad in Maharashtra.(I visited in 2007) .The Manu-simarity is nullified by the Indian Constitution,democracy & awareness among the Indians irrespective of caste,creed,gender,religion ,language and area ! Now we have to burn the Arth-shastra and effigies of Chankya(302 BC) who developed cunningness in the vedic people . That is why the Bahujan Indian citizens cannot avail equality,libarity,fraternity and justice.Why not vedic people co-operate govts. at center and state levels to extend reservation in judiciary and army ? These are the real stooges of the vedic people.Sahib Kanshi Ram used to say that the judiciary and the army are the main hurdles to liberate the Bahujan Samaj.Dr.Manmohan Singh PM confessed publically that the Indian judiciary is corrupt.In fact,the whole system is corrupt.We are optimistic when we watch in the LAJJA movie saying modern Sita to his husband Rama that he first gave proof of his holiness.You vedic people say Ambedkar was a false God.We say `BEWARE OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS WELL AS THEIRS IDIOT FOLLOWERS !!!!!

  21. happyhindu said

    Mr Chumber,

    No matter what you say
    a) I cannot stop being a hindu just because I am a Shudra.
    b) I cannot dislike people of other varnas just because I am a Shudra.
    c) I need a brahmin in my life for various reasons such as conducting my marriage. If you don’t need one, it your own prob, and not the problem of other hindus.

    Everyone has their own interpretation of the Ramayana. In what way are present day brahmins and other hindus responsible of the views of every author who wrote his own version of the Ramayana?

    You are typically twisting and turning things to suit your purpose of brahmin bashing and hindu-whitewashing.

  22. cool said

    Dalitnation,

    What on earth do you get by deleting my postings??

    Getting angry / paranoid??

    🙂
    happyhindu

  23. cool said

    you will allow only ppl who post trash like chumber speak…if you are really bothered about equality, why do not you let everyone speak with equal standing?? why block specific posts??

  24. C. L . CHUMBERc said

    NEITHER INTER- DINING NOR INTER-CASTE / INTER-VARNA MARRIAGES ARE SOLUTIONS OF CASTE AND VARNA MENTALITY !!!!! Respected MR./Mrs./Miss Happy Hindu,
    Why are you not writing your real name ? Can you produce legal documents in support of Mr. Happy Hindu name ? Otherwise ,the viewers of the Dalit Nation will not believe on you
    Now I come to your points.You may continue to be a Hindu or convert to any another religion ,this is your constitutional right .But you claimed to be Hindu as you you are a shudra .In which pre-Muslim Hindu scripture had written that the Brahmins,Kashattriyas,Vaish and Shudras are Hindus ? The Muslims gave them this term ! What are the benefits /rights of being a fourth class varna Shudra Hindu ? Please read the Manu-simarity to know the rights and duties of each varna.
    For example in the Manu-simiraty,the Brahmin has a legal right to rape the women of the Kashattriya,Vaish and Shudra women.The Kashattriya has a manuwadi legal right to rape the women of vaish and shudra varnas. . The vaish has a manuwadi legal right to rape every shudra woman ! But the shudra males were not given the manuwadi legal right to rape the Brahmin,Kashattriya and vaish women .Why ? The manu-simiraty ordered to cut off the pinus of shudra if he rape / intercourse with a Brahmin lady.Why ? Mr./Miss Happy Hindu is planning to marry a Brahmin lady for various reasons ! Please let us know some main reasons .The Hindu / Vedic socio-religious system is a system of gradation and degradation.The Hindu /Vedic is totally crushes the shudra varna which is now codified as the SCs,STs and OBCs ,The Non-Hindu religious population is also mainly converted from shudras .Ex shudras are still denied there legal rights.
    . I am sure that the so-called self-respectful ( ? ) Happy Hindu shudra may not dislike the other varnas but other varnas hates the shudra including him / her .May I ask a question with due regards that a woman of any varna or non-varna can tolerate this manuwadi system ?.Mr.Lal Krishan Advani gave statements as deputy. PM of India that the rapists must be hanged till death but he worship the rapist Bhagwan Vishnu ( please read the Padam Purana & watchthe movie the TULSI VIVAH ).He and his BJP party is still determined to build a Rama`s temple at Ayodya ( Up ).We all know that Rama was an incarnation of the rapist.racist and fascist God Vishnu.
    Mr./Mrs Cool objected that I wrote trash . He may participate in the debate to give benifit reply to my or any other person `s views .The both sides will benefit from this debate.The main problem in India is that our information is verbal not first hand information.Please read the scriptures of a well reputated publishers.I have complete faith in the Indian constitution and scriptures of every religion based on equality,equity ,liberty , fraternity and justice.The caste system / varna system will not be annihilated by merely inter caste/inter-varna marriages and inter-dining .
    The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.Education up to university level must be free of cost or refundable interest free loan in at least 15 years .There must be a ban on the worshiping and highlighting rapist,racist and fascist GODS.There must be a ban on the religious places where is highlighting the rapist,racist and fascist Gods.Mr./Miss Cool may call it trash but one day my writing will be an historical mile stone .You may worship but your coming generation will not do the same.Thanks.

  25. Shantaram said

    Mr Chumber can you please answer these questions:

    Which Organization is practicising Manuwadi system?
    Can you please show/point us to their Organization Charters / Manifesto / Websites where they have claimed that they are manuwadis? Also please show us how their party / organization manifesto is derived from Manusmrithi?
    Can you also clearly prove when these Organizations have supported Manusmrithi?
    Can you also prove to us how these organizations / communities/ castes are imposing Manusmrithi in soceity?
    Please give answers to these questions before we talk further.

  26. Shantaram said

    Mr. Chumber

    “The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.”

    Also how does property became Manuwadi as the Brahmins who are on top of the Manuwadi classifications own lesser property than other castes. Also Manu mentioned only four castes. How come there are thousands and thousand castes in India. How was Mr Manu the author of the Manusmrithi responsible for the creation of this. He only said four castes are present in Soceity.

  27. Shantaram said

    Dear Mr. Chumber you seem to have answers for everything:

    “The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.”

    Are you suggesting communism in India with a ban on private property. I am all for it. Also I have nothing much to loose. Don’t have too much money to loose like Mayavathi (she declared 52 crores as her assests legally. Estimated at 200 crore actual assets), Lalooji (500 Crores – estimated), Deve Gowdaji (700 crores), Karunanidhiji and his Family (700 Crores) not to mention the business tycoons like Amabani, Azim Premji, Narayan Murthi, Mittal etc.

    Will all these people share their wealth with a poor man like me (and all the other poor people of course) . I have no landed property and eke out a meagre monthly existence by the salary I earn and I just break even every month. Do you have any practical suggestions as to who or how the private property will be abolished in India. I am definetely curious to Know. When or who do you think can abolish private property.

    Who will distribute the property? The Government? And who are the government but people like Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi, Mayawathi, Sushil Kumar Shinde, Deve Gowda, Karunanidhi, Rajashekar Reddy, Chandrababu Naidu, Narendra Modi, Advani, Brinda Karat. Will all these people share the wealth equitably with all the people. How is it possible. Please let us know your enlightened views?

    Also I read the constituion of India drafted by the constitutional comitee chaired by Dr. Ambedkar and we see:
    Chapter 3 – Article 294 and 295 – “PROPERTY. CONTRACTS, RIGHTS, LIABILITIES, OBLIGATIONS AND SUITS” clearly talks of the legitimacy of owning private property. Now should the constitution be revised. Were the constitution makers Wrong. Mr Chumber please answer me?

  28. Shantaram said

    Mr Chumber don’t get me wrong I do agree with some utopian things you mentioned. But how is it going to be implemented:

    “Education up to university level must be free of cost or refundable interest free loan in at least 15 years .”

    Now who will implement this. According to you Hindus cannot implement this. But now in the centre we have a Givernment by Mr Manmohan Singh a Sikh and controlled by Mrs Sonai Gandhi. Can they give education up to university level free of cost. What is preventing them? What is preventing chief ministers like Mayavathi, Karunanidhi, Rajshekar Reddy to bring this into effect. They have all the power. Also they are not supposedly Manuwadis right? So whats the problem here? Why don’t these people do it?

  29. Shantaram said

    Mr Chumber,

    “There must be a ban on the worshiping and highlighting rapist,racist and fascist GODS.There must be a ban on the religious places where is highlighting the rapist,racist and fascist Gods.”

    Although I am an atheist, I do beleive in the freedom of people to practice any religion they want as long as it does not impinge on other’s freedom. You have already mentioned about some hindu or brahminical gods like Vishnu, although most Hindus might not agree with your vile comments on their gods and they have a different conception and image of their deities, let us assume what you have said is right. Now we also see in Old testament about the violent nature of Yahweh the god of the abrahamic religions. I can supply you with many quotes from the Old and New testament and the QUran on the racist and violent nature of their Gods. We see the Quran the cry for the killing of non beleivers. Now all these religions need to be banned as well by your same logic. Actually I don’t mind at all. It is a great Idea.

    Now again I open the constitution of India. Now the constituion of India has many articles which go against banning people from believing in their religion:

    Article 15. Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth.—(1) The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.
    (2) No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them, be subject to any disability, liability, restriction or condition
    Article 25. Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.—(1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion.
    Clause (2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law—
    Sub Clause (a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice;
    Article 26. Freedom to manage religious affairs.—Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right

    Now Mr Chumber please let me know how you can ban religion without going against the constitution. Please respond?

  30. happyhindu said

    Mr.Chumber,

    My name is Lavanya. Nobody I know subscribes to what politicians ask everyone to do — hate other people based on caste. We may not agree with each other on what we say. But personal attacks on me are not welcome.

    Please prove with quotes from the Manusmiriti to show what you say abt the
    a) legal rights of a brahmin to rape the women of the Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra varnas.
    b) legal right of a Kshatriya to rape the women of vaishys and shudra varnas.
    c) legal right of a vaishya to rape every shudra woman.

    You even seem to lament that shudra males were not given the manuwadi legal right to rape the Brahmin, Kashattriya and vaish women. How obnoxious.

    If you have read a translation of the manusmriti, you would not have believed in the trash instilled in your mind. All of the above is absolutely trash.

    You say that the Hindu /Vedic totally crushes the shudra varna which is now codified as the SCs, STs and OBCs. Even Ambalavasis (consists of brahmins) are in the Karnataka OBC list. Everyone knows how wealthy the Tulu banias are. But they are in the OBC list. What are you trying to prove? All this only shows caste has nothing to do with being on the benefits-reservation beggers list.

    Again, I ask you to prove to me that “The Non-Hindu religious population is also mainly converted from shudras. Ex shudras are still denied there legal rights”. You post trash as it has been drilled into your mind. Looks like you have not even tried to look up books / facts to know if the rubbish ideas stuffed into you is right or not.

  31. Aussie bob said

    This is all very amusing to an aussie surfer who stumbled upon this page. i’m glad we don’t have a caste system here.

    • HIB said

      Hey Aussie Bob,
      It is called different in your country. It is called “racism” there.
      Recent apology from your national head for the cruelties met out to tribal natives there is what is called as “Caste” in India.

      But now India is almost out of caste system. It will eradicate in few years. But Aussie just started “racism” against south-east asian students, particularly Indians.

  32. Shantaram said

    Dear Aussie Bob,

    You should be glad that there is no caste system in Australia. Again on paper there is no Caste system in India. But discrimination exists in reality and politicians use caste as vote banks to come to power. Also due to unequal distribution of wealth across different communities the problem in India is highly compounded. And in terms of population, the population of our country is so huge and every year we add one Australia to our country.

    You are indeed lucky to be born in Australia and enjoying so many priveleges which is not avialable to many of us in poor nations. Lucky you. You should thank your ancestors who were convicts from Britain captured who were sent by the british colonial rulers to australia and killed all the aboriginals. I heard aboroginals in australia live in concentration camps. Also I heard you had apartheid in your country till a few decades ago. Also I heard from asian folks who stay in australia that it is a highly racist country. It all depends on where you are positioned. If you are white australian then you are lucky. What if you are an aboriginal or some other race.
    Your immigration laws are very strict and not allow people from populated countries to partake of the resources. Indeed you are lucky that USA is helping you out and providing you the military base and protection, otherwise China would have run over you long back.
    Anway I am simply envious of you Australians who enjoy life so well. Your wonderful beaches and those sexy australian women. Always playing sports and games but in my life I struggle for existence every day. I am even afraid to marry and have kids so as not burden the Indian population.
    I don’t beleive in reincarnation but if hypothetically speaking if I am asked where i would be born again in my next life. I would love to be born in Australia as a white man. Have fun with loads of girls – blond, black, indians and chinese. Holiday in the bali islands. Play fotball, cricket and volleyball. Get married and have five children.

  33. Mangesh Dahiwale said

    These brahminical rabid dogs can justify caste system by citing apartheid in australia. Brahmins believe what they want to believe. They are virus on earth. If equality has to be established brahminism has to be destroyed.

  34. happyhindu said

    Mangeshji,

    If brahminism is destroyed, then hindusim will be destroyed. Everyone cannot do everyone’s jobs. I cannot do a brahmin’s job. I am content with my life and have no plans to switch-over to a brahmin’s job. So, I need one in my life.

    And I wish everyone’s jobs are better-paid, a brahmin’s as well as that of a mazdoor’s (FYI, it seems these days that a mazdoor earns more than a brahmin priest).

  35. C. L . CHUMBER said

    TOMORROW`S SAWAMI JUTANAND !!! TO-DAY`S SAWAMI ACHHUTANAND !!!
    Respected viewers,
    I could not reply in time because I was on my public tour of Kanpur and Varanasi ( UP ) from 5th May to 14th May 2008 .I was main speaker of Sawami Achhutanand `s( 6.5.1879 -22.7.1933 AD ) 129th Birthday Function on the ground of Sawami Achhutanand Samadhi Sathal opposite PS Nazirabad , Nai Zamin , Lajpat Nagar,Kanpur on 6th instant.Mr. Ravinder Patani , Mayor,Municipal Corporation,Chief guest,Mr.Partap Singh, Judge.( retd.)presided over ,S. Sukhwinder Singh Bhalla (ladi) ex member ,the Minorities Commission,UP state performed opening ceremony,Mr.Anil Sharma ex Mayor and Mr. Shiv Kumar Beria M.L.A. were Special guests of honor..M/s Rajinder Kuril,president,Ramesh Chander Kuril Councillor/gen.sec.P.Lal,Jai Narain Kuril,JP Sonkar,Dr.Hira lal,Kailash Dhiman,Sowaran Singh were main organisers of this function.
    I wish to inform you all through the esteemed Dalit-nation regarding this socio-religious revolutionary Sawami Achhutanand who founded the Adi-Hindu movement to achieve equality ,liberty,fratenity and justice for the under previlege untouchable Indian citizens.on 17th Sept. 1922 at Delhi and the Indian govt. recognized it in 1923 AD.He proclaimed 9 main commands of the Adi-Hindu movement.( !.) I have faith in the oneness of God. God is immaculate,sinless,eternal,infinite,amorphous,unborn,timeless,omnipresent,, peerless and true !God has neither religious book nor ever incarnated on earth .God has no statue,God is omnipresent in the universe .And God`s flash is luminance within me.and God`s peception and my actions accordingly is my religion.
    ( 2 ) I believe that I am Adi-Hindu being aboriginal Indian and that is why I am the owner of the Indian country ! Our duty is is to develop our primitive land now called as India and it is my foremost duty to establish here the rule of the truthfulness and justice .
    (3 ) I have faith that the religion of the ( medieval period Bhakati Movement `s) Saints is India`s Adi-dharam and being full with humanism,is the really blissful religion !
    ( 4 ) I have faith in that all are equal and have brotherhood.The thinking of gradation and degradation on the basis of clans,sects and varnas is deluding.A person is graded by his/her virtues and degraded by his/her misdeeds.God lives in a person`s true heart.and that is why the behaviour of equality with each person is the prime religion .
    ( 5 ) I have faith in that to abstain from sexual instinct,, anger ,greed,attachment,pomposity and postulate thoughts is the religion of mind ! To abstain from falsehood,bitter,backbiting,denunciation and useless talk is the religion of voice ! And to abstain from violence,prostitution,gambling and intoxication is the religion of the body ! That is why I will try my best to follow this universal blissful religion by thoughts,speech and actions for my salvation.
    ( 6 ) I have faith in the grate Saint Kabir`s teachings that all the Brahmin-scriptures are based on selfishness , falsehood and injustice ! And theirs laws of religious scriptures etc.are the causes of the downfall of Hindus! That is why, I make commitment to denounce completely the Brahmin devtas,incarnations and brahminized religious discourses treating false and decadent ! And I will never neither perform birth ,tonsure , marriage and death brahminized ceremonies nor by brahmins !
    ( 7 ) I will highlight my forefathers `high character and the glory of the Adi-vansh( aboriginal-clan ) by efforts continuously .I will encourage our intellectuals to write books on our forefathers .I will be active to commemorate them by arranging public functions and for the educational ,technical,economic ,social , political ,physical , and psychological development of our Adi-Hindu brothers continuously .
    His first ever name was Hira lal.His guru and his relatives bestowed him with a new name Sawami Hariharanand.He was married with smt. Hira Bai .He had four daughters who got married.He was well versed with 8 Indian languages.He wrote six books in Hindi—( 1 )Shabuk Balidan ( Drama ) In this book Sawami ji exposed Hindu bhagwan Rama for killing innocent pious Saint Shambuk ! ( 2 ) Mayanand Balidan ( biography ) ( 3 )Achhut Pukar ( Voice of the untouchables )-Religious songs ( 4 ) Pakhand Khandani ( Heterodoxy refuted ). ( 5 ) Adi-vansh ka danka ( drum of the aborigional people )-poetry ( 6 ) Ram rajya nyay ( justice in the reign of king Rama )-drama.
    Mr.Hira Lal ji s/o Mr. Mohan Dass Karam Chand Gandhi ji the rasharpita of the Hindu-rashtar came to allure sawami Achhutanand but Sawami ji showed a stale piece of loaf from his pocket .Sawami ji asked hira lal how he dared to test his devotion towards his people.Later on the Hindus wrote a book against Sawami ji under the title “SAWAMI JUTANAND “.The writer of this book later was nominated ass president of Congress ,UP state.
    I as main speaker of the function advised the gathering not only make shoes but also beat unconstitutional elements with shoes as weapon because the govts.had no time to annihilate caste system.The chief guest of this function also condemned this writing and writer.Later on ,people added to my knowledge that the UP govt. published a book on silver jubilee of the so-called independence in which the writer wrote derogatory and unconstitutional remarks against Sawami ji.The local Hindi press covered this function with news and color photographs.WE ARE PROUD OF SAWAMI JI , HIS PHILOSOPHY AND HIS HIGH SPIRIT TEAM !!!!!

  36. C. L . CHUMBER said

    Respected Sanatan ji,
    I am very happy to know your views( dated 28/4/2008 ) regarding me – –
    ” typical dalit intellectual ,all the time concoting false history and weaving concpiracy theories , amused to listen morons like you , wonder strucked by the brainwashing you have gone through , an idiot you are , you are smoking too much cheaping hashish from your north Indian dalit hashish suppliers ,after you die .” You had shown your state of mind which can put you behind bars ! I have pardoned you first time .If you wish to know the long hands of law of the land , your good self may send me your email address/ complete address so I may serve you legal notice or register an F.I.R.against your good self to give you a rare chance to establish blames against me in the honorable court ! This is up to you .
    Secondly ,Chankayas and Platos are not intellectuals of the layperson ,they are the stooges of the exploiting society ! Indian Govt. declares every year ” Chankya award “.You may confirm .I know the period of Chankya and Guru Nanak.I wrote Chankyas not Chankya .A brahmin mishra Pt. Lal Chand Mishra of western UP baptised as Sikh S. Lal Singh and took oath as a minister in Maharaja Ranjit Singh regime .A dogra of Jammu baptised as Sikh S.Dhian Singh and took oath as a minister in Maharaja Ranjit Singh.They both were treachers who acted as monsters instead of ministers.If they did not treach in the Anglo- Sikh wars ,the India will be liberated in 1957 AD from the clutches of the Britishers !
    Thirdly ,Adi-bhagwan Valmik was a feminist as he wrote in Ramayana that the mother-land and mother are superior to the heaven .The mother Sita and Lav,Kush `s lives were due to Him ! But the monsters call Him as dacoit !
    You wrote ,” Guru Kabir`s guru Ramanand was a Brahmin.” It is as wrong as a person say “, Jyoti Rao Phule, Prof.Ditt Singh Gayani ,Sawami Achutanand , Babu ManguRamMuggowalia,Periyar,Chhatarpati Shahu ji maharaj,Dr. Ambedkar,Joginder Nath Mandal and many other leaders were the followers of Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru ! “In the second week of May ,2008 , I visited Varanasi where Adi-Gurus Ravidass and Kabir dared to challenge the manuwadis in their own religious capital There I purchased a book titled “Kabir -selected couplets from the sakhi in translation ” written by Dr. Mohan Singh Karki Ph.D.He wrote,”On this point also there is no unanimity among the biographers as on Ramanand`s death Kabir is said to be a lad of 13 years !

  37. Shantaram said

    Dear Chumberji,

    Your post has lot of contradictions.

    ” 2 ) I believe that I am Adi-Hindu being aboriginal Indian and that is why I am the owner of the Indian country ! Our duty is is to develop our primitive land now called as India and it is my foremost duty to establish here the rule of the truthfulness and justice ”

    What is this Adi-Hindu which is the product of your imagination. Where and in which scripture is this mentioned. Is it some title you have coined yourself. Now it is also proven that dravidians came from Africa. Should you not be going back to africa to claim the land there. Good luck.
    How do you become the owner of the country? According to the constitution of India we don’t have owners of India. What we have is citizens. What plans do you have of developing India which you call primitive land other than of course bashing up Hindus.

    “3 ) I have faith that the religion of the ( medieval period Bhakati Movement `s) Saints is India`s Adi-dharam and being full with humanism,is the really blissful religion !”

    The Bhakti movement was a direct result and has a great influence from vedanta, purana and agamas. We never heard the great bhakti saints Kabir, Dadu, Nanak, thukaram, ravidas, Chaitanya, Haridasas and the Bauls express sectarian hatred like you do. They were against socail evils and were steeped in devotion to ‘Hindu’ gods like Rama & Krishna. Have you even read the dohas of Kabir. It looks like you know nothing. If you remove words like ‘Rama’, ‘Krishna’ and ‘Govind’ from the literature of the Bhakti Movement you will be left with almost nothing.

    “( 4 ) I have faith in that all are equal and have brotherhood.The thinking of gradation and degradation on the basis of clans,sects and varnas is deluding.A person is graded by his/her virtues and degraded by his/her misdeeds.God lives in a person`s true heart.and that is why the behaviour of equality with each person is the prime religion .”

    If you have faith that all are equal then how can you or your so called adi Hindus claim exclusive ownership of India. You yourself are steeped in hatred and sectarianism. Try to look within first before accussing others.

    “( 5 ) I have faith in that to abstain from sexual instinct,, anger ,greed,attachment,pomposity and postulate thoughts is the religion of mind ! To abstain from falsehood,bitter,backbiting,denunciation and useless talk is the religion of voice ! And to abstain from violence,prostitution,gambling and intoxication is the religion of the body ! That is why I will try my best to follow this universal blissful religion by thoughts,speech and actions for my salvation.”

    Good luck to you. This is also similar to many monastic vows of Hindu sanyasis, Buddhists and Jains. I never understood their life negative approach. Anyway how would you abstain from sexual instinct. Do you want to take a vow of celibacy like Vivekanada and Gandhi.

    “6 ) I have faith in the grate Saint Kabir`s teachings that all the Brahmin-scriptures are based on selfishness , falsehood and injustice ! And theirs laws of religious scriptures etc.are the causes of the downfall of Hindus! That is why, I make commitment to denounce completely the Brahmin devtas,incarnations and brahminized religious discourses treating false and decadent ! And I will never neither perform birth ,tonsure , marriage and death brahminized ceremonies nor by brahmins !”

    Kabir never mentioned that all Brahmin scripture are based on selfishness. Have you read the Upanishads. Read it and read the Dohas of Kabir. Read Japji and read the Ishavasya Upanishads. You will find such similar sentences, it is amazing. The upanishads are so called brahmin scriptures acknowledged and commented by people like Shankaracharya and Ramanuja. Do you know anything at all about Kabir and so called Brahmin scriptures that you are putting you hate agenda into his mouth. The Guru of Kabir of whom he holds in such High regard was Ramananda, a Brahmin. Why was Kabir eulogizing about Rama all the time? Don’t you think you have missed the mark completely in your missionary agenda. Regarding Brahmin cermonies even many Brahmins dont perform it and also there are so many variations even within them and anyway who is forcing you to do all this. Has any brahmin pope given you a decree that if yoy don’t do this yoy will be damned. You seem to be hallucination Mr. Chumber. Wake up and see the reality. Don’t be so paranoid about Brahmins. Give a dog a bad name and then hang it that seems to be your policy.

    ” 7 ) I will highlight my forefathers `high character and the glory of the Adi-vansh( aboriginal-clan ) by efforts continuously .I will encourage our intellectuals to write books on our forefathers ”

    Good luck in your mission. Just don’t get sidetracked into abusing other communities while you are praising your forefathers. They would have done great and expemplary work but you only agenda is to prove someone else is inferior. That simply shows the kind of inferiority complex you have and try to mask it by all the abuses you throw agaonst others.

    “His first ever name was Hira lal.His guru and his relatives bestowed him with a new name Sawami Hariharanand”

    Just a question, why does this so called adi-Hindu have a Hindu name like Harihara (Vishnu-Shiva) . And why the sanskrit title Swami if he is so against the Hindus. Could he not have found a better name like maybe how the dravidian leader Karunandi christned his son. He talks of tamil and named his son Stalin. Never heard ‘Stalin’ from any tamil literature from 1 ad.

  38. chetan said

    vedas are shrutis and smrutis i.e. heard and remembered books. the compilers of vedas had no much knowledge and merely poluted indian stream of sciences like yog and tantra.
    Upanishad was not written by brahmins because it is impossible for brahmins to write something that will jeopardize their alms that they use to live upon. since brahmins controled sanskrit and strictly avoided sharing it with nonbrahmins, todays scriptures are result of polution done by brahmins to indigenious indian schools of knowledge. let us reject all our holy scriptures and freshly cultivate the spirit from which we will create new scriptures that will guide not only the indian civilization but also the the whole civilizations and so far brahmins are concerned they are they are giving a last vigorous flicker.

  39. Ramchandran said

    To Chethan,

    “Upanishad was not written by brahmins because it is impossible for brahmins to write something that will jeopardize their alms that they use to live upon. ”

    Upanishads were certainly written by Brahmins. Please read the upanishads and their seers – Yajnavalkya, Shvetaketu, Angiras, Nachiketa – all of them were Brahmins. Unfortunately your conspiracy theory against Brahmins stands on loose grounds. Try someother stunt.

    Upanishads have extensive verses talking about Prana and Pranayama. They talk of the five different pranas – the pancha pranas which are the basis of Yoga. The tradition of Yoga has been upheld, preserved and transmitted in ancient India only by the Brahmins. Why is this so? Even the greatest of tantriks from Gorakhnath, Matseyndranath to the other sages in the Nath lineage were Brahmins. Why is this so?
    Why are Brahmins stipulated to practice Pranayama and Kara Nyasa twice everyday during the Brahminical Sandya Ceremony. Can you name any other community in India who have such practices like Pranayama incorporated into their rituals. I am not talking about the new age Hinduism rituals where all communities have adopted these practices. But just to prove that your hatred against Brahmins and their culture is unsubstantial I want to know.

  40. C. L . CHUMBER said

    AN ASS`S BETTER THAN BRAHMIN , A DOG IS BETTER THAN ALIEN GOD ;
    AWAKENING A SLEEPING TOWN , MUCH BETTER PROVES A CROWING COCK.
    ADI-GURU KABIR (pg 47 ).
    Dear Shantaram ji,
    Your good self had misunderstood about Sawami Achhutanand`s 7 commandments of the Adi-Hindu.That is not my version.Please amend yours views accordingly.You questioned me,”Have you even read the dohas of kabir ? ”
    I have a my personal big library having about 10,000 reference books, I recently visited Varanasi to purchase literature on Adi-Gurus Kabir and Ravidas.I purchased “KABIR SAGAR” in 11 vols.,”KABIR MANSHUR “, ‘B I J A K”. I would like to present some dohas translated in English by Dr.Mohan Singh Karki Ph.D.in his book ‘KABIR ” ( Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Pvt. Ltd.Delhi,2001 AD branches at B`lore,Mumbai,Kashi,Patna,Pune,Kolkatta,Chennai) with courtsey.
    * * * * * OF THE SHREWD ( BRAHMIN )* * * * *
    ( ! )It is easy to be a master, but difficult to be a slave . For the sake of wool sheep was reared , tethered , it doth the cotton graze .
    ( 2 ) ( The pundit ) read the four Vedas , but for God did`not grow any love.
    Kabir took away ears of grain , pundits in crop-field make a search .
    ( 3 ) The brahmin is the world`s guru ,guru of the righteous he`s not..Entangled in the tangle of the four Vedas ,he is dead lost.!
    ( 4 ) Cunningness did the parrot learn, even then it`s inside the cage.To all and sundry it exhorts , to comprehend itself doth fail .
    ( 5 ) Seated in the midst of the stars , the moon enjoys a lot of praise .No sooner doth the sun rise, then , together with stars , it doth fade.
    ( 6 ) The pundit`s manuscripts are alike the knowledge of a partridge , to others doth tell good omen,of its own noose lacks the knowledge .
    ( 7 ) Oh ! what use is the cunningness ? Which doesn`t the world assimilate. Crores of hymns the parrot repeats but at last is eaten by cat..
    ( 8 ) The pundit and the torch-bearers-either of the two in the darkness gropes , To others he doth give the light but he himself in the darkness goes.
    ( 9 )Too much reading has made thee stone ,too much writing has made thee brick, in the heart heart no wetness of love was found , Kabir doth think.
    ( 10 ) Too much reading has made thee stone , too much writing has made thee thief : that the reading is altogether different which to Saheb leads .
    ( 11 ) The brahmin is the world`s ass who is burdened with pilgrimage : The client says ,”I did acts of goodness”, the brahmin has his labour`s wage .
    ( !2 )An ass`s better than a brahmin , a dog`s better than alien God ; awakening a sleeping town much better proves a crowing cock .
    ( 13 ) The brahmin sank, so Kabir says , with his sacred thread `s forceful load , he asked for eighty four ( births ) breaking off from Transcenntal God .
    ( 14 ) The kalyug`s brahmin is a clown , so to him ought not to donate ,with his family he`s hellward bound,alonwith him his client doth take(pages45&47)
    This establises that Adi-Guru Kabir was deadly against brahmins and theirs Gods ! That is why Brahmins call him haramzada .How can wen tolerate the humiliation of a widow brahmin lady and our guru ji.What was name,address and parentage of that poor brahmin lady ? Thanks.

  41. C. L . CHUMBER said

    RAHMINISM AND HINDUISM ARE TWO SIDES OF A RARE FAKE COIN !!!!!

    Dear Viewers ,
    M/s Mangesh Dahiwale ( date12/5 ) & Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ( 13/5 ) have some hot & conclusive discussions ! Mr.Mangesh Dahiwale called brahminism rabid dog and virus on earth .He has resentment that the brahmins justify the caste system which the Indian constitution banned .That is why he call them rabid dogs And virus on earth which created and maintained inequality.!He suggests to destroy brahminism to eatablish
    Mr.Happy Hindu @ Lavnya who claims to be a shudra and is stooge of the other three varnas writes in response to Mr. Dahiwale ,” If the brahminism is destroyed then the Hinduism will be destroyed ..” Is brahminism life line of Hinduism ?.” The kshtriya Buddha and Mahavir Jain revolted against brahminism and they established Buddhism and Jainism .The vaish Sikh gurus also revolted against brahminism and they establishe Sikhism.The shudras also revolted from Brahminism/Kshatryism/vaishism from ancient times to till date .The Indian constitution eroded the manuwad .The brahminism is cancer / aids /bird flu like chronic disease .It must be cured on war footing level otherwise our country will have to face a civil war.The democracy will flourish and the fake coin having two sides named brahminism and Hinduism will be sent in the gutter .This is my final analysis.Thanks.

  42. C. L . CHUMBER said

    Dear administrator,
    Thanks for surfacing my 3 writings which were not visible before.This has encouraged me as well as the viewers.I will write on Bengali widows after studying in the last week of July 2008.I have to visit Varanasi and Mathura at least twice.Pl amend “Rahminism” to ” Brahminism ” in heading dated 17th May.Thanks.

  43. gowri shanker vel said

    All dears,
    what could be the best conclusion of all these theories. Slowly these topics are getting boosted on blaming others, being sticked to a side. According to Hinduism, Manu has devided the people into four catagories Bramin, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sudhra. Here i found only two catagory supporters are into aurguement. where are the rest two cats., please some how bring them too, let’s view all the stupids(including me) giving their statement . Is’t called integration in diffentiation? some china man making fun out of indian and one indian giving clarification to china man. Look if all you are stupidly intelligent, answer my following questions.

    1) Why all the Indic languages are mentioned as if they were been derived from sanskrit? (refer elementory education books of indian schools, exclude tamilnadu) (refer to various historians of the world about proto-dravidian languages and it is easy to find sanskrit has no motherness in dravidian languages)

    2) Since the ages, what could you Bramins achieved great with Manu’s caste system? (anything morethan untouchability and ruins?)

    3) Do your Dalits agree with Economy based Reservation? (do u beleive all higher caste people are rich and lower castes are poor?)

    and to my dear dalit supporter ” don’t use the term that says about the raping, looting etc.,” these terms are used to provoke the aggressiveness in the one who is said to be victim and generally these terms used by terrorists to catch more support. Indus valley civilization moved due to mamooth flood in the river Sind.
    I’m not against any cats.,here but i’m against the Manu’s theory of caste itself and all you cats., Study the Facts and Accept them and don’t be stupidly intelligent….right

  44. Manjusha said

    Gowri Shankar,

    In India you don’t have four castes as claimed by Manu. You have thousands of castes and each of these castes want to be bracketed as Backward and Scheduled to get reservations and other sops from the government. These are highly volatile subjects and people from these castes love to find a common enemy. That is the brahmin. So go on abusing Brahmins. Make up all kinds of stories against them and meanwhile enjoy the reservation and also at the same time blame that you are oppressed. The name of the blog should be ‘Brahmin Bashing Nation’. This blog has nothing to do with oppressed people or anything. Utter idiots.

  45. Mangesh Dahiwale said

    The Brahmins are the oppressors. Look at what the caste system has done in Jajjhar and Kahirlanji. In Jajjhar they killed five dalits for skiining a dead cow. For them Cow is holier than Human life. In Khairlanji the upper castes killed a whole family of the Buddhist Dalit Bhootmange. The only reason why they killed them is because they wanted to stand up in soceity and were educated. But the upper caste manuwadis denied them the right to live and they killed them in the most inhuman way possible. The women were paraded naked and raped. Shame on the manuwadis

  46. Santosh Kumar said

    Mangesh,
    It is indeed reprehensible when we read the atrocities in Jajjhar and Khairlanji. But your post has some factual errors.

    Now let us analyze these incidents:

    1. You start by blaming Brahmins as the oppressors and quote the two inhuman incidents. In Kherlanji the Bhootmange family was killed by members of Kunbi caste (OBC in Maharashtra). In Jhajjar the Dalits were killed by low caste Jats. Now where are the Brahmins here. These inhuman acts would be inhuman whether commited by any caste. But why single out Brahmins when they are no where involved.

    2. The next part is you blame the manusmrithi. Can you establish that these crimes were conducted by people who read Manusmrith and them did it like say the islamic suicide bombers who read Quran and get inspired to bomb. The two crimes were conducted by people who were all illeterate. They probably did not know about manusmrithi at all. I am not telling that Manusmrith is a good book. All I am pointing out is you are simpoly shifting the blame to some other things.

    3. Now recently all these Dalit and OBC sites were talking about reservations and they are oppressed. Now looking into these two incidents I wonder how OBCs become oppressed as they are the oppressors. Can you please answer me on this.

    4. You are completely off the mark and trying to blame and create caste based hatred against Brahmins by associating unrelated incidents to Brahmins. It reminds us of the anti semetic propoganda against Jews.

  47. gowri shanker vel said

    dear manjusha,
    well said, let all these people findout themselves “where they stand in the economy”. To the one who’s stomuch is filled, easy to say manythings. Think about the poor and the poorest, none bothers the number and counts even. there are only three catagories now
    1)rich
    2)middle class and
    3)poor
    there are sub catagories also in them. like very rich, higher middle class, lower middle class, poorest., etc
    who says brahmins , dalits..,? money makes the difference…

  48. C. L . CHUMBER said

    GAURI AND SHANKAR WERE NON-VEDIC !!!!!

    Dear Gauri Shankar Vel,
    Your good self is irrational and use unparliamentary language which is not suited in discussion / dialogue .You call the others “STUPIDS ‘ and “CATS ” .Please refer Gauri Shankar Vel said dated May 19 , 2008 @ 11.15 pm.
    Your good self wrote ,” To the one who`s stomach is filled , easy to say manythings . “( ref. G.S. Vel dated 20 May ,2008 @ 4.47 pm.) .There is a clause in the manuwadi constitution Manu-simirity that the king must snatch the money and property of the rich shudra because he may create problems for brahmins.Mr. Gauri Shankar Vel`s this writing reflects this manu thinking which is anti-constitution ! The law enforcing agency may spare him but the TRUE GOD will not spare him.Please remember that you pretended to be anti-caste but you did not denounced varna.
    You wrote ,’ don`t use the terms that says about the raping , looting etc.” ( ref May 19,2008 @ 11.15 pm ). Do you or your religion recognise rapist and looting etc. ? Your good self again wrote ,” these terms are used to provoke the aggressiveness in the one who is said to be victim…”
    The rape and lootig are unethical acts.Mr.Lal Krishan Advani as deputy PM of
    India released statements to hang the rapists till death .Why have soft corner for rapists,racists and fascists so called Gods.
    On economic stand ,we demand ( 1 ) nationalise the manuwadis`property .aquired( by manuwadi system 2 ) Impose creamy layer clause for all govts./semi-govts.jobs.( 3 ) Impose ban on brahmins for ever in govt./semi-govt. jobs as ( ! ) They claim to be meritorious and can compete in pvt, sector ( 2 ) they are more than the percentage of their population.( brahmins floated ‘ Remove Reservation – Jago Party ‘ .India Today weekly dated May 19,2008 inserted their advt..visit w.w.w. jago.in email:jagoparty@jago.in).
    Mr.Gauri Shankar Vel you wrote ,”generally these terms ( rapist and looting )used by terrorists to catch more support .” ( May 19 ) There was an interview of martyr Neta ji Subash Chander Bose for I.C.S exam.Interviewer said to Subash that he saw a monkey sitting in front of him .Subash ji replied quickly and sharply ,” If I am a mirror then you must have seen the monkey .’
    .The same reply is to you for calling me terrorist .You have to write with logic otherwise one day your coming generations will be ashamed to read your writings in support of rapist , racist and fascist so called Gods.
    You are vedic but Gauri and Shankar both were not vedic .

  49. C. L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Viewers ,
    Please read the date of India Today as 26th May 2008 .Sorry. Thanks.

  50. Karthikeyan said

    I don’t get why some people here have developed this much hatred towards Brahmins. I’ve listed below some of my knowledge:

    1. When Kabir uses the word ‘Pandith’ in his doha, he doesn’t point to Brahmins. Pandith means an educated man, not necessarily Brahmin. Kabir points to folly practiced by the educated people (INCLUDING, but NOT ESPECIALLY Brahmins) and tries to correct them. Kabir isn’t against teachings of Vedas. Kabir himself believes and has written in his dohas about Jeevaathma, Paramaathma etc in his dohas. In one of his dohas, he says “Why should Kabir worry? What is the use of worrying? ‘Hari’ is there to worry about me. So I don’t have to worry about anything.” (Kabira chintha kya karai, chintha se kya hoi. Meri chintha Hari karai, chintha mohi na koi.). Here ‘Hari’ means Lord Maha Vishnu.
    PS: I searched and searched but did not get a doha where he says ass is better than brahmin. Can somebody link to it?

    2. Manu talks only about marriage, not rape. And doesn’t order any body to punish any body in any cruel way. (Ref: http://www.bharatadesam.com/spiritual/manu_smriti/manu_smriti_3.php)

    3. Maha Vishnu is God and his every act is devine and holy. We should understand his Krishna Raasa Leela as the demonstration of his omnipresense. Also, Maha Vishnu doesn’t rape Vrunda. He creates an illusion of Jalandhar (Vrunda’s husband) and Vrunda hugs the illusion thinking it her husband. This was done for the good of world. (Ref: http://www.swaminarayansatsang.com/library/articles/articledetails.asp?Articleid=20)

    What is the meaning in calling ourselves learned when we do not have the patience to heed to and learn from sacret texts of a religion? What is the meaning calling ourselves rational and tolerant when we have no hesitation to speak ill of God, no matter which religion’s God? Lets think.

  51. Gowri shanker vel said

    Dear Chumber,
    thanks for the suggestions. I hope you didn’t get the highlight of the aurguement, which i meant to convey. In basic i’m a communist, my visions are clear and it may not suit this blog.
    Your words are wonderful “If a person expresses his/her views freely,frankly & logically,everyone should welcome & encourage him/her”.
    regards,
    Gowri shanker vel

  52. C,L.CHUMBER said

    THE BRAHMIN ISTHE WORLD`S GURU,GURU OF THE RIGHTEOUS HE`SNOT,
    ENTANGLED IN THE TANGLE OF THE FOUR VEDAS HE IS DEAD-LOST !!!!!
    – ADI-GURU KABIR(page 45) as refered already in this blog.
    Dear Karthikeyan ji,
    I had replied your 1st writing on 27th instant in another column where you wrote .You asked the viewers the link where Adi-Guru Kabir wrote that an ass is better than a brahmin.Where did your good self search ? Please read the dalit-nation blog,you will find the reply .Please be clear hearted to solve the problems.
    Next you wrote that Adi-Guru Kabir did not pointed to the Brahmins .Please read the complete Kabir vani which is deadly against the Brahmins,Vedas and their rapist,racist and fascist so called Gods.You had read his couplet above this writing..OK.( ISBN:81-208-1799-0-Paper back)
    You sided with a racist and fascist Manu.Please read the website which you suggested me reg.manu-smirity.
    Mr Karthikeyan ! Vishnu was neither a divine nor a holy God as claimed by you.He may be the God of rapist,racist and fascist followers.You confessed that Vishnu raped Varinda for good of the world.What kind of goodness ? Then why did Varinda curse Vishnu ?If you defend a rapistVishnu who killed Varinda`s husband JALANDHAR by deceptible means,Then why you are burning the effigies of Ravna,Meghnad and Kumbhkaran ? Did they raped ? I dare to declare your good self`s mentallity as rapist,racist and fascist and the govt.law enforcing agencies must take legal course of action against you and your like minded people..
    Mr.Kathikeyan ! the books you quote as sacred are the Aryans`”secret books of war” against the Indian aboriginals .That is why Dr Ambawdekar ( whose name a brahmin teacher changed as Ambedkar ) burnt the Manu-smirity on 27th Dec.1927 at the Kranti Bhoomi ,Mahad ( Maharashtra ) publically.I visited the Kranti Bhoomi with my family and appreciated the daring step of Dr.Ambawdekar and his comrades.He also wrote to dynamite the Vedas.In Punjab,Prof.Ditt Ram Gyani @ Prof.Ditt Singh Gyani (1850-1901 AD) an untouchable defeated in dialogue Swami Daya Nand a revivalist of the Vedas .Prof.Singh wrote four dozens books incl.” My dialogue with Sadhu Daya Nand” & ” Satyrth Parkash-Refuted”.
    I challenge my people to burn Vedas,Purans on 27th Dec.every year and every where in the universe to pay the tributes to Dr.Ambawdekar and his comrades.Please beware of dome rapist,racist and fascist Gods as well as their followers who are anti-constituation.Thanks.

  53. Karthikeyan said

    Chumber Ji,
    I agree that there are so many respectable poets who have used words such as don’t read Vedas, reading Vedas is useless etc. But we should not take it literally. If we carefully and thoughtfully read them, we will get the following meaning only: “What is the use of reading Vedas if you are not going to follow it? It is better not to read it and follow your own intuition.”
    “Entangled In The Tangle Of The Four Vedas He Is Dead-Lost” means some Brahmins are just reciting the hymns without realising their true meanings and wasting time. This is told strictly in the interest that Brahmins should do their duties correctly.
    I have seen many educated people burning their own subject text books because they were not able to understand the text and were forced to swallow them!! Some sort of this thing should only have happened with Shree Ambawdekar Ji.
    We don’t burn Ravana’s effigy as a mark of protest. Ramayana clearly says that Ravana had tortured Holy Sita Devi by means of words for twelve years. Meantime he had exploited resources of all the worlds, including Heaven, and had enslaved so many. Righteous King Rama gives mighty Ravana chances before the war, which he declined. It is Kshatriya dharma only to punish wrong doers, which Rama did. We, as part of celebrating this ‘Victory of Dharma over adharma’, replay the scene of Ramayana war in our cultural dances. Just to display how adharma becomes ashes in the hands of Righteous Lord Rama.

    Vishnu too, read my previous comment again, does NOT rape Vrinda. Jalandhar was killed using the only means available. If not, Jalandhar would have spoilt the course of creation. His end was fixed because he tried to capture Maha Shakthi Parvathi. Curses from mere mortals as humans like us come in impulse. Such thing only happened in case of Vrindha. But devine acts are well thought over by Gods. In many instances Lord Maha Vishnu has been cursed by his devotees e.g. Devarshi Naradh, King Baali etc.
    Winning an argument is different, leading a life is different. Even worlds chess grand master was defeated by a mere man made computer. This doesn’t defame the grand master. Vedas, Smriti’s are to be learned after surrendering oneself to a Guru. Just reading publications won’t do. Ambawdekar Ji and his followers, atleast in this regard, had no idea what they were doing.

    All these is attack on Brahmins, who mean no harm or hatred.

  54. sunil said

    dont waste urs time . forget everything about past. sstudy, workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.

  55. C,L.CHUMBER said

    LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!

    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
    We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
    ( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
    ( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.
    (3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
    (4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
    (5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
    (6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
    (7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
    ( 8) The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
    ( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
    ( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
    (12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
    ( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
    ( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
    ( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
    The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
    publically as the bramins of Japan did.Thanks.

  56. C,L.CHUMBER said

    SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILISATION !!!!!

    Respected viewers,
    With the kind permission of the dalit-nation ,I suggest some websites :-
    (1) http://www.mahenjodaro.net ( 2 ) http://www.imagesofasia.com ( 213 images of the valley ) ( 3 ) http://www.harappa.com ( 4 ) http://asi.nic.in ( 5 ) http://www.ignca.gov.in . You may also get help from Google/Yahoo..Thanks.

  57. C,L.CHUMBER said

    CHUMBER-SMIRITY VERSUS MANU-SMIRITY !!!!!

    Dear Karthikeyan,
    Your good self is defending Vedas and Manu-smirity which shows that India needs judicious minds to solve the Indian problems. I will publish a book named ” CHUMBER-SMIRITY ” in which I will not write any word except to change the gradation and degradation as SHUDRA ,VAISH,KSHATTARY AND BRAHMIN !!!!! Then the so called liberal brahmins will burn the ” CHUMBER-SIMIRTY ” and the non-brahmins will burn the Manu -Simirity !!!!! Only the bearer knows where the shoe pinches.Mr.Karlyle wrote,” A nation that does not worship her heroes and greate leaders soon comes to grief .” A NATION THAT WORSHIP DOME RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST SO CALLED GODS CAN NOT BE A SELF RESPECTFUL AND ETHICALLY ADVANCED NATION ,

  58. Karthikeyan said

    Correct Chumber Ji, India needs judicious minds. But does that judicious mean abandoning and destroying everything that is from scriptures? It is not our country’s policy to recommend to its citizens which God to worship. Ours is secular country.

  59. C,L.CHUMBER said

    SCRIPTURES DON`T PREACH VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM ,
    INDIAN CONSTITUTION BANNED VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!

    Dear Karthykean ,
    We will not abandon and destroy your scriptures. We will publish your scriptures on newspaper and we will distribute these so called scriptures among the poor shudar masses .The constitution do not recognises the rapists,racists and fascists .The law of the land is against the rapism,racism and fascism. Our country is secular but do not recognises a religion of rapists,racists and fascists as Gods.DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?

  60. VT Rajeshekar, you know why you’re a dalit?

    Because you’re a dumb nigger who isn’t aware of the basic chronology of Indian history. Arthashastra comes a thousand or more years after the Aryan “invasion”.

    Yea, now go clean a toilet.

    Yours sincerely,

    Adiyaman Neduman Anchi

  61. Karthikeyan said

    Well Chumber Ji, are you saying Hinduism is not a government recognised religion and Brahmin is not a recognised caste? So you plan to distribute our scriptures. Well thats great! So long as you distribute them as is, without any modification or inclusion of your fiction work, no problem. But if you do, still we don’t have problem, world will know the truth. Well you are already doing it through this blog, and many are doing it already everywhere. People do pursue some good aim to make their life meaningful. Some choose pointless activities such as self sabotage, drug addiction, and some even become terrorists! Your pursuit too seems such childish only, to spoil and defame some good system.

  62. C,L.CHUMBER said

    WHY NOT BRAHMINS CLEAN TOILETS ? ? ? ? ?
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr.Adiyaman Neduman Anchi said( June9,2008 @ 11:44am )as below :
    VT Rajeshekar, you know why you’re a dalit? Because you’re a dumb nigger who isn’t aware of the basic chronology of Indian history. Arthashastra comes a thousand or more years after the Aryan “invasion”.Yea, now go clean a toilet.
    Yours sincerely,
    Adiyaman Neduman Anchi ”
    When I was a Tehsil Welfare Officer , I had late Mr.Diwan Chand Cheeda govt.employee ( librarian) friend in the directorate of the Punjab Irrigation Deptt.at Amritsar.His mother even being a widow and toilet-cleaner educated his only son .His daughter -in -law was also a govt.teacher in 1976 AD.I used to met that ideal mother because my mother was also a widow. I was married in the same town coincidently.One day I went to my friend with my newly wed wife.When they served tea and sat together,my wife told me that she would not eat from that house because the old lady used to clean our toilets.I told my wife that all mothers do the same.Everyone from the Rashtarpati to a lay person cleans ones buttocks every day.All of us are chuhras .All of us are chamars made of leather.We took meal also.
    Are dalits dumbs and niggers ? The brahmin wives of some dalits never say like this.If a person does not know the chronology of Indian history,then why he/she asked go to clean toilets.The cleanliness is next to the TRUE GOD.The brahmins can not do this meritorious job.The govt.must reserve 50% jobs of sweepers for the brahmins so that their merit may be judged ! Thanks.

    • Ajay said

      This is actually wrong use of a sur-name…
      for your very kind information-
      Cheeda is not a dalit surname
      infact it has nothing to do with ‘Aryans’
      Cheeda the word is Persian and comes into Indian subcontinent with Akbar and His warrior dynasty.
      Its a fact that many people from mughal dynasty are now very poor in 21st century so they had to be involved in such activities coz of lack of education and poverty.even Akbar couldn’t read his very spoken Persian language..so with tide of time and cunning Indian politics,many once warriors and proud ppl have been pushed backwards to low socio-economic strata. Even OBC’S have few good castes/surnames in the list.
      So if you don’t know anything about ‘cheeda’ ,kindly refrain from using this name.
      For your sources- you can find the surname in Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha’s SHABADKOSH of Guru Granth Singh Sahib.
      Thanks
      so ‘cheeda’s are not dalits basically,they are not related to ‘aryan’ and have definitely nothing to do with dravidians

  63. C,L.CHUMBER said

    THERE ARE NO BIGGER TERRORISTS THAN BRAHMINS !!!!!
    Dear Karthikean ,
    Your good self wrote ( June 9, 2008 @ 4:47 pm) as below : –
    ” People do pursue some good aim to make their life meaningful. Some choose pointless activities such as self sabotage, drug addiction, and some even become terrorists! Your pursuit too seems such childish only, to spoil and defame some good system.”
    You directly and indirectly branded me as anti social element .You blamed that I am spoiling and defaming good system.Is varna/caste system good system ? The brahmins invented and implemented these systems on us.They are socio-religious terrorists who made the life of the SCs/STs/OBCs a hell .

  64. Human said

    Friend,
    in the main post third line is “But out historians don’t even talk about this” .I got a doubt how did the hell the writer find that…
    We believe that history only after hearing from historian..here this writer says a story and says that historian nevers talks about it…

    Finally now i understand is The bhramins mentioned by this writer are ‘muslims from Arabia’ and Dalits mentioned here includes ‘Bhramana,Shatryia,Vayshiya,shudras’.

    the untrue thing is we indians were the creators of greatest civilisations not muslims…they were also hindus once but was converted just before 1500 years ago…

    Come indians lets unite together to eradicate the caste descrimination completly
    This is only possible if we make poeple forget about which caste they belong to not by speaking again ad again …infact this will create more confusions within the nation.

  65. Karthikeyan said

    Not at all Chumber Ji, I’m not blaming you. If at all I had given such impression, I apologise. Atleast I’m not blaming you as antisocial. But you are definitely angry. You are definitely against something, so you are anti-something. Why don’t you yourself tell what you are? Or is it Pro-someotherthing, rather than anti-something? I’m for doing one’s duty righteously for either profit, welfare or entertainment. I’m Pro-dharma. Or atleast trying to be one, if you won’t approve me.

    Varna system is not an enforced system, and there is no favour game in it. It is just categorisation of people.

    Those who do services to mankind and labour are called Shudras. Those who do trade, commerce, agriculture, farming, cattle rearing and business of profit are called Vaishyas. Those who serve the armed forces, military and others pursuing security services and protection forces are categorised Kshatriyas. Those who teach, preach, advice and give consultation services are called Brahmins.

    Obviously, one cannot exist without the other three. Which among the four is the superior is often a matter of debate, but talking about it is fruitless. However the debate will tell us how important the other three are for each of the Varnas. It is apparent that there is no clear cut sharp border separating the four. To a considerable extent, all the four overlap with the other three. This is very true and undisputable atleast in the modern context. In olden days, due to the trend of passing one’s post to the heir, there was apparent distinction among the four.

    In the course of time some undesirable events might have happened. But the scriptures are not to be blamed for that. Neither all belonging to a group should be blamed too. Manusmriti teaches code of conduct and recommends the life style of each of the four Varnas.

    Now relax, and read the ALL CAPS title of your comment. Are teachers, preachers, advisors and consultants the biggest terrorists?

    I don’t have to catch anybody’s eyes with such ALL CAPS, bold text or highlighting tricks. As I had said before, I’ll give my knowledge only to those who treat me and my ideals with respect. So I wouldn’t attract undue attention to my ideas. My comments will automatically reach those people who really matter. All my intentions and pursuits will come true automatically and effortlessly.

  66. hh said

    Chumber-ji,

    Each time i go to my house in chennai i sweep the street right unto the street- end bcoz the corporation ppl do not do a good job. Nobody wishes that anyone suffers the unhygenic conditions of life and cleaning toilets…..i am a dalit, brahmin, kshatriya, shudra, vaishya, man, woman, child, old, hindu, muslim, christian, zorashtrian, sikh, buddhist, taoist, jain, atheist, theist, human, ape, fish, tortise, plant, fruit, love, life, laughter, …..

    I am the new casteless, nameless varna. Please go ahead and name me.

  67. Vijayaraj said

    I Agree with you Karthikeyan…

    To C,L Chumber:
    Sir,
    If the real varna system is still being followed then YOU would be called as a Brahmin…As a reply by ‘Human'( “171”) in Aishwarya’s post.caste system was interchangeable in earlier centuries,only from few centuries back confusions in caste syste aroused.

    everyone in Bharat were rich enough because of their self-content in nature and There was nobody called low caste people ,when right varna system was there.Sudra doesnt mean low caste people,it was same as another 3/4 th of people in social status.

    Kannappa nayanar is a good example of a sudra changed as Brahmin..
    Parasurama is an example of a Brahmin changed as Shatriya..

    the ultimate problem in the society is misinterpretaion of caste system.this was mainly because Bharat was slaved for more than 800 years by barbaric forigners( Arabs & British) who really seems has no way of understanding what is caste system is…

    Finally as a conclusion I totally agree with your anger that due to misinterpretation of varna system the great Sudra families are greatly affected but this has to be totally eliminated from the society.
    I have seen your post that Brahmins did this,did that
    you give importance the caste of the people who did/say something rather than what is being done/said.just think who is creating fanatism here…
    Come let us join hands to eradicate caste discrimination as much as possible instead of talking and beating around the bush whole day…Nothing will happen.only hatred among the people will grow.

    Mahatma was a brahmin,Subramanya bharathi was a brahmin,Raja ram mohanroy was a shatriya,Sri Kesava baliram hedgewarji was a Brahmin,Vivekanda was shatriya’s family …All these people were creating awareness that there should be no caste discrimination among the people .all are same.

    Do you really have a heart to say these people are fanatics…
    Dont always look things Bramins/Non brahmin perspective have more Broader view about people…come out your illusion look the real world…

    • Biologist said

      Mahatama was not Brahmin but Vaishya

  68. h said

    guess everyone could take a leaf out of what those social groups like rotary club do — organize cleanliness drives — so everyone becomes so-called ‘dalits’.

    there are quite a few educated ppl who picked up the broom out of sheer frustration.

    but in certain places one cannot even think of it….one wud end up with some dreadful disease.

  69. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. VIJAYARAJA DARED TO CALL TO ELIMINATE THE VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    Dear Vijyaraj ji,
    You are welcome to this e-discussion.Your goodself wrote(June 12, 2008 @ 3:01 pm) as below:-
    ” Finally as a conclusion I totally agree with your anger that due to misinterpretation of varna system the great Sudra families are greatly affected but this has to be totally eliminated from the society.”
    I am on tour of the Maharashtra state for literary research.To-day I am at Kolhapur for research on revolutionary Chhatarpati Shahu ji Maharaj who first ever in India implemented the reservation in govt. jobs in his Kolhapur state on 1st July,1901.His Brahmin cook used to treat him as an untouchable ! He helped an untouchable late Mr.Ganga Ram Kamble to open an hotel which is now known as the AWANTI LODGE in front of the Kolhapur Mpl. Corporation premises.The Maharaja used to take tea daily in the untouchable`s hotel to anihilate the untouchability as well as caste/varna system created by the barbric Aryan Brahmins.Once the BSP`s official vernacular at Nagpur published a very informative spl.issue on Shahu ji Maharaj.In that issue ,there was a Shahu ji`s speech.In that speech Shahu ji told the people that the Brahmins of Japan disclaimed of their supiriority and appeald all to discard the superiorty/inferiority complex to work for the upliftment of the humanity.That is why Japan is a world power and India is under development !
    Mr. Vijayaraja ! this is good that you talk of elimination of varna system.This is in the interest of the present Brahmins ,otherwise the NON-BRAHMIN sufferers of this gutter system will finish the brahmins as well as the Brahmins !!!!!

  70. Karthikeyan said

    Chumber Ji, ok now you have another brahmin accused in your list! That makes no difference because you have taken a stand to accuse everything connected to Hinduism and Hindu people. You claim to seek equality among people. Then shouldn’t you be seeing a man with cross belt and a man in lunki as same irrespective of whom they worship and what language they speak? But you are doing the opposite.
    All those in your accuseds list are gone. They will never return. So whom do you want to punish? No system will end just because you don’t like it. Even I’m not happy about your accusations on todays Brahmins. So are you going to stop it? No way! Even if you threaten and terrorise Brahmins that Non Brahmins will finish Brahmins off!

    Vijayaraj Ji, I agree with you on everything you said except one thing. It is not the “misinterpretation” of Varna system which made people suffer, but it is “misrepresentation” of Varna system’s teachings by foreigners and anti-Indians. Just like Chumber Ji “misrepresented” your words. You said “misinterpretation of Varna system” should be totally eliminated. But Chumber Ji changed it to “Varna system” should be eliminated!

  71. C,L.CHUMBER said

    TODAY`S KARTHIKEYAN IS GANESH !!!!
    Dear Karthikeyan ,
    You are really Ganesh in Hindu spirit .You cleverly defends rapists,racists and fascists Gods as well as varna / caste system which are useless in the civilised society .You accused me (June 21, 2008 @ 3:31 am) ,” Even I’m not happy about your accusations on todays Brahmins. So are you going to stop it? No way! Even if you threaten and terrorise Brahmins that Non Brahmins will finish Brahmins off! ”
    Mr.Karthikeyan , your today`s brahmins are ponga pandits who worship and glorify the rapists,racists and fascists as Gods like brahmins of ancient times ! They abuse the dalit-nation and dalits .I have not abused anyone.I always say you all ” dear,your good self ” with due respect .In service
    I did not obey the illegal orders of my seniors,director and even ministers .I sacrificed my Tehsil Welfare Officer job at the age of 21 years when I was the only bread winner of 8 members family .Are you threatening me to stop writing on rational , legal and humanistic issues ?.This disease is omnipresent .I said that if your” today`s Brahmins” will not rectify the misdeeds of their forefathers then ” the today`s non-brahmins ” will retaliate democratically .THE ” TODAY`S BRAHMINS ” FINISHED SAHIB KANSHI RAM WITH THE HELP OF CORRUPT MANUWADI JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF DELHI HIGH COURT WHO FIXED BSc. PASS SAHIB KANSHI RAM`s THUMB ON HIS SO CALLED STATEMENT IN JULY 2004 .
    Dear Karthikeyan ji I am writing neither to please nor to annoy any body .I have no respect for rapists,racists and fascists as well as their mindless followers/friends.It is my foremost duty to enlighten the masses which I am doing without fail.Thanks.

  72. Karthikeyan said

    Thanks Chumber Ji, I always delight when I get praise from elders like you. I also admit you had been kind in your speech to others. I’ve have already mentioned this and and also asked others not to be unkind. As far as I know, I too had been courteous and respectful in my expression.

    And in your recent reply too, you haven’t told anything new.. again repeated the same abuses against God. Just increasing the search engine page rank for such abusive words.

  73. C,L.CHUMBER said

    KARTHIKEYAN ! ARE YOU MANUWADI ?
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr.Karthikeyan said ( July 10, 2008 @ 5:13 pm ) ,” And in your recent reply too, you haven’t told anything new.. again repeated the same abuses against God. Just increasing the search engine page rank for such abusive words.” I had not abused anyone.I wrote ,” Dear Karthikeyan ji I am writing neither to please nor to annoy any body .I have no respect for rapists,racists and fascists as well as their mindless followers/friends.It is my foremost duty to enlighten the masses which I am doing without fail.Thanks.”
    You blamed that I had not told anything new. I told new ,” THE ” TODAY`S BRAHMINS ” FINISHED SAHIB KANSHI RAM WITH THE HELP OF CORRUPT MANUWADI JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF DELHI HIGH COURT WHO FIXED BSc. PASS SAHIB KANSHI RAM`s THUMB ON HIS SO CALLED STATEMENT IN JULY 2004 .” But you follow Manu-simirity :-
    ” On killing a cat ,an ichneumon, a daw ,or a frog ,a dog , a lizard, an owl,or a crow , he should practise the observance ( ordained for ) killing a Shudra .Page 343 Alas you have not a kind heart .

  74. Karthikeyan said

    Chumber Ji, So you don’t treat the words “rapists, racists and fascists” as abusive? Strange. I think they are abusive.
    Alright, coming to your excerpt from Manusmriti:
    ” On killing a cat ,an ichneumon, a daw ,or a frog ,a dog , a lizard, an owl,or a crow , he should practise the observance ( ordained for ) killing a Shudra.”

    Did you interpret in this way? “One should kill a Shudra if he kills one of the above animals.”. If so, that is wrong. Its meaning is: “Killing these animals is equalent to killing a Shudra (and so one should observe penalty for that)”.

    And Shudra doesn’t mean anything small. Shudra means “service people”. So the above animals are like “service people” (Shudras). Is Manusmriti which treats animals with respect and which protects animals unkind?

    Or am I? Now I’ll earnestly wait for your approval that I had ofcourse been kind in my dealings.

    Am I a Manuwadi? No. I’m an Indian national. I’m telling you the good things in Manusmriti because you found fault with Manusmriti. Find fault with any other scripture, I’ll defend them too. Even if it were scriptures of other religions. So will you call me I’m a Christian or Muslim? I don’t have to be among those to support their views. The brain and consience is enought. And I think I have both. My point is that religions are found for organised social living. Calling one religion superior to other is pointless. This is purpose driven approach.

    I repeat, I’m waiting for your approval that I had always been kind in my dealings.

  75. C,L.CHUMBER said

    WORSHIPERS OF RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN BEINGS

    Dear Karthikeyan ji ,
    Please do not mind . the way you defend the rapists,racists and fascists is very very shameful .Do you know that the whole world do not honour them .And I do not respect you and I hate your parents and teachers who did not make your mind to hate the evils.A person asked a Japanese Buddhist boy that what he will do if Mahatma Buddha attack your country . The boy said that he would kill the Buddha .And I ask your good self the question that what you would do if your rapists,racists and fascists Gods came to your home . Will you expect your family ladies will worship the rapist Vishanu,Indir and Brahma .
    I am fed up with your discussion and I decided to issue a CD of our discussion so that the people may know that not even a single Brahmin dared to discard his rapist,racist and fascist Gods in a 3 months discussion.This shows the mentle level of the Brahmins .We have a Brahmin intellectual Dr.Surender Ajnat Sharma and his wife Mrs Soma Sablok who are retional .We salute them and hate you.I will never take notice of your irrational writings ! Thanks

  76. C,L.CHUMBER said

    PERIYAR SAID BRAHMINS ARE LIKE SNAKES !!!!!
    Dear Adminstrators ,
    I read again again your article ‘Brahmins Destroyed the Indus Valley Civilisation ‘ .This is shortest and very touching as you had seen the barbric Brahmins destroying it .We have sympathy for the martyres of the Indus Valley Civilsation and for those theirs heirs who are still living the life of worst than slaves.I reproduce your good self`s views which suggests us the solution :-.
    ” This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization.”
    I have also read a book on Adi-vasis in which they said that if you saw a Brahmin and a snake together first kill the Brahmin .I am of the opinion that we must fearlessilly attack on theirs Gods`misdeeds to demoralise and expose them even at internationally by literature.
    I again assure you to continue moral and active support .We are marching towards rebuilding Indus Valley Civilsation culture based on equality ,quality,equity , liberty and justice ! OUR ULTIMATE AIM IS TO RULE INDIA TO ESTABLISH THE BE-GAM PURA .THANKS.

  77. Krishna said

    Who will watch your CD?

    You are making a political career out of hatered. Only your politician friends will watch it.

    Why should i denounce my Gods?

    My Gods show me my life, my reality and the choices i have.

    They show every emotion that i can be capable of.

    I can fall from the highest loka to the netherworld OR i can raise myself up from the abyss all the way to moksha.

    I can be a hypocrite OR i can try not to be one for a lesson to learn in one birth.

    I can lust after an another man’s wife and then be shown that she is my mother who can turn me into a child back again.

    My Gods are neither rapists, racists nor fascists.

    They are my emotions and my choices.

    They show me the path from ignorance to light.

    For the lessons they teach, I will rever them. They are my beloved Gods.

  78. Karthikeyan said

    Oh God.. All my hopes got shattered.. Now the only remaining hopes is on rational doctor Surendar Ajnat Sharma Ji and Shrimathi Soma Ji (Given that you won’t listen to my words hereafter). I look for their rational judgement on my stand. I don’t know if they are even reading my comments or know about the discussion. But, hope they’ll reply here somehow.

    Ok, now how does this sound: “The way you abuse your fellow Brahmins and Hindu Gods is very shameful”. The whole world does not honour only those who pointlessly display hatred. The whole world respects my parents for having got a meritorious son like me and my teachers had always been happy and proud about my character (if not performance).

    I too honour the Japanese kid way, fight even God for your country. That is what Ravana did, he fought Lord Hanuman, who is the avathar of Lord Shiva of whom Ravana is a great devotee. To me the important things are friends, family, people, religion and country. The latter in the list, the more important.

    The CD idea is great. I have no shame or objection in it. I am only proud of it.

    (“You”, “Your” etc in the above comment refer to Chumber Ji)

  79. Naidu said

    Chumber-ji,

    You keep repeating periyar’s statements. I want to ask you this:

    If Periyar was beaten up by north-indians, Why did he choose to unleash his hatered on South Indian brahmins ?

    Please show me one single South Indian brahmin who has ever been the physically assaulting type.

    Somebody does the crime and the anger is shown on someone else? Paap kisi aur ka aur saza kisi aur ko, what nyay is this?

    By now, you might already know: Periyar was the TV. The remote control was firmly in the hands of his colonial masters. If he truly wanted the upliftment of one group, he could very well have done it without attacking an other community. So stop quoting that shameless man.

  80. Karthikeyan said

    At last! Chumber Ji has expressed what his ultimate aim is! It is to rule India! Lets congratulate him on his courage to admit truth for the first time.

  81. C,L.CHUMBER said

    FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS AND THEIRS WORSHIPING PLACES MUST BE DEMOLISHED BY THE GOVT.
    RESPECTED VIEWERS ,
    I returned back from Kanpur ( U.P.) after attending Swami Achhutanand`s 75th death anniversary programme as chief guest on 22nd July,2008 .I also attended delivered speeches in two programmes of Shahid Chander Shekhar Azad`s 102nd birthday at Kanpur .
    Mr.Krishna said (July 18, 2008 @ 9:37 am ) ,” My Gods are neither rapists, racists nor fascists.They are my emotions and my choices.” Mr.Krishna should visit the psychiatrist to check his unethical , illegal emotions . One day the worshiping of rapists , racists and fascists will be banned as untouchabality and the worshiping places of the amorals will be converted into humanist Gods .Otherwise these amoral centers will be demolished by law !!!!!

  82. Vijay said

    Hi all,
    Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and shudras..whats all this non-sense. When you let me to oppress you, I will oppress you. When you fight me against oppression of you, you should have will to stand my power of obstruction or to over throw me from the power of oppression. I was a hindu for a while, I was a christianised muslim when I was a hindu. I was a shudra while I was a brahmin. I was a kshatriya while I was a vaishya. I dont need you to recognise me as you have no wisdom to recognise me. Neither I seek my identity nor I seek your identity. Your existence might not bother me when my existence might not disturb you. Thats philosophy..you dont understand..

    well let me speak in your terms. Its world that has evolved and is evolving. You know what is your right. Noone can stop you to being anything. SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit. As an individual everyone knows to survive and succeed. Let me not hear that you are what you are is because of what others are. You are responsible for what you are. So dont seek shelter in system that weakens you saying that you are dalit or some sh… When Arjuna was there, there was an Egalivan. Well dont give your thumb to your master if you want to be in the history. Rather fight your master’s when it is required to fight. Look at yourself, you are not what you are because of what was the history. You are what you are because you let the history influence you. Ambedkar is a good example. He didn’t let the history influence him rather he set a history. So dont try to talk all dalit and other sh..just to cover up what you can’t do…

  83. C,L.CHUMBER said

    TO-DAY A CHAMARI RULES THE BIGGEST STATE OF INDIA !!!!! TOMMORROW ANOTHER CHAMAR WILL RULE INDIA TO MAKE INDIA AN IDEAL COUNTRY !!!!!

  84. Australian man said

    I watched some news reports about Indian dalit sufferings. Its truelly unbearable to watch it. One story shows a dalit man in Delhi cleaning Human crap of “upper caste” hindus. He was wearing just slippers ! wata cruel way to treat others just becos of their birth right.

    If India want to become a competitor to China and become a superpower they need to abolish this practice, not just in laws but in their hearts!

  85. Karthikeyan said

    Here I wish to quote what Swami Vivekananda said at the closure of Chicago Sarva Dharma conference. “What we need is Unity. If you think that this unity will come by establishing just one religion, and destroying every other religion, then I’m sorry, that will never happen.” (The exact wordings may be different.)
    What Chumber Ji is doing is nothing but terrorising Hindus.

  86. C,L.CHUMBER said

    BRAHMA NON-SENSE CREATED BRAHMINS,KSHATRIYAS,VAISHYAS,SHUDRAS
    Dear Viewers,
    Mr.Vijay said (July 25, 2008 @ 12:04 pm ) : –
    1.Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and shudras..whats all this non-sense.
    2.SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit.
    3.When Arjuna was there, there was an Egalivan. Well dont give your thumb to your master if you want to be in the history. Rather fight your master’s when it is required to fight.
    4.You are what you are because you let the history influence you. Ambedkar is a good example. He didn’t let the history influence him rather he set a history. So dont try to talk all dalit and other sh..just to cover up what you can’t do… ”
    My reactions are as below : –
    ( !) Mr.Vijay is a clever person who says varnas are non-sense but he did not dare to blame Brahma who created this non-sense system !
    ( 2 ) Mr.Vijay is manuwadi when he says that ” SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit..” He is anti constitution also because these categories are recognised by the Indian constitution .He is also anti-democracy because the constitution was passed by the constituent assembly and he is against the constitutional provisions .A person who is anti-constitution have no legal and ethical right to be an Indian citizen .
    ( 3 ) Pandit Daronacharya was not Adi-Maha Bhagwan Eklavya`s master / teacher.Pandit Daronacharya did not give him admission in his gurukul / school due to his being shudra .Eklavya did self study .That is why the Indira Gandhi National Open University ( IGNOU ) , New Delhi is publishing a journal ” Eklavya”. Eklavya did not offered his thumb . Is there any education policy ever in the world history / mythology in which a body part of a student is taken away by his / her teacher ? Pandit Daronacharya was a bull shit !
    ( 4 ) Dr.Ambedkar influenced the history by defeating Mr.M.K.Gandhi at the Round Table Conferences ( 1930-32 AD ) and won a separate identity status for the untouchables ( now SCs ) equal to the Hindus,Sikhs,Muslims and Anglo-Indians in the Communal Award announced on 18th Aug.,1932.But the fast-unto- death of Mr.Gandhi in the Yervada jail,Pune compelled Dr. Ambedkar to sign the Pune Pact on 24th Sept.1932 in which he lost the separate electorate right for SCs awarded by the communal award .Mr.Gandhi played Pandit Daronacharya`s role .Later on Dr.Ambedkar wrote a chapter ” Poona Pact – A Mean Deal ” in his book ” What Congress and Gandhi Have done to the untouchables ? “. He also demanded separate electorate with separate settlements for SCs in his memorandum submitted to the constituent assembly of India but in vain .
    We are not demanding anything from any one except exposing the rapist , rapist and fascist Gods . I am sure that he will also denounce these evils and its ancient creators as well as at present preservers .We wait his reaction eagerly .Thanks to all .

  87. Vijay said

    Mr Chumber,
    You are forgetting a basic point. If there are no indians, then there is no meaning of the consitution of India. The consitution is written by humans and it can never be taken as flawless. It has to be changed when and where needed. If I am not respecting it, it is not my fault, it is the fault of the constitution that has not convinced me to respect it. How many indians do know the consitution and act accordingly? Are these people not Indians? There is no perfect desh in the world. People are trying hard to survive. There are millions of brahmins who are poor and going thru hardships. There are millions of vaishyas unemployed. There are millions of kshatriyas fighting to survive. There are millions of sudra’s having no work to do. There are millions of untouchables whom do not even know that they are being called untouchables. In the name of awareness, they are all being made restless and indians are running away from India for better livelihood. And you are all crying for only dalits… How fair it is? By sayin Dalit, you are creating an inferiority complex in a dalit child…and it is darkening its future..Are you not seeing it? If you want to get rid of all the differences and expecting equality, do not talk about the past and do not create a restlessness in people. Rather treat the people as people and judge them based on what they do, not by what they are and where they come from…
    I am talking oneness…you are taking politics..thats the difference..

  88. Vijay said

    Australian man said that he witnessed dalit Indian suffering. Thanks for yor concern. He is not suffering..he is working for his son and daughter not to do the same job he does. Surely his son and daughter will be better than him. Thats how an Indian looks at sufferings himself/herself. Look outside India. There is shameful discrimination in the name of skin color black and white.. what do we say about it? What I ask you all is to as human when you look at a human, judge that person based on his/her abilities. Having all preoccupations of all evils, if you approach an individual, you say it to yourself that you have lost the right to be a sensible human.

  89. C,L.CHUMBER said

    WHY DO WORSHIPERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS HESITATE TO RESPECT THEIRS OWN COUNTRY`S CONSTITUTION ? ? ? ? ?
    Dear Viwers ,
    Mr.Vijay said ( July 31, 2008 @ 1:31 pm ) ,” If I am not respecting it, it is not my fault, it is the fault of the constitution that has not convinced me to respect it..”
    Mr. Vijay `s bent of mind is not judicious that is why he is not respecting the Indian Constitution ! If the constitution is not convincing him then why he became the citizen of India . A citizen of any country in the world is supposed to obey the constitution , otherwise he / she have to left that country or be put behind the bars by the law enforcing agencies of that country ! Please have a judicious mind so that we may solve the socio-economic problems of our sweet country !!!!!

  90. Ankush said

    Mr Chumber you act as if you are expert on Indian Constitution. But sad to say you have no clue as to what the constituion speaks about religious freedom. You are just ranting and raving your senile ideas and spouting venom and hatred against Hindus.
    It seems to me you are some unemployed frustrated old man who has nothing better to do in life other than posting some abuse in internet blogs.

  91. h said

    then the first person to be put behind bars should be the one that makes a career out of caste and caste politics.

    my sweet country is a gutter because of you people.

  92. C,L.CHUMBER said

    ANKUSH BETE ! I AM NEITHER FRUSTRATED NOR UNEMPLOYED OLD MAN !!!!!
    FRUSTRATED PERSONS EITHER COMMIT SUICIDE OR KILL THE OPPONENTS OR LEAVE THE FIELD ( RAN-CHHOD LIKE KRISHNA ) & DO REST AT HOME !!!!!

    DEAR VIEWERS ,
    Mr Ankush said ( August 4, 2008 @ 6:15 am ) as below : –
    ( 1 )Mr Chumber you act as if you are expert on Indian Constitution. But sad to say you have no clue as to what the constituion speaks about religious freedom.
    MY ANSWER IS : – ALTHOUGH I HAVE VERY BIG LIBRARY , READ 9 DAILY NEWS PAPERS AT HOME , MEET AND DISCUSS DAY TO DAY PROBLEMS WITH LAY PERSONS TO INTELLEGENTIA ,TOURING AT LEAST ONE STATE OF INDIA IN A MONTH FOR MY RESEARCH WORK YET I NEVER CLAIMED THAT I AM EXPERT OF ANY FIELD . I NEVER CLAIMED THE SAME IN THIS E-DIALOGUE .
    NO CONSTITUTION AND CIVILIZED SOCIETY IN THE WORLD ALLOW RAPING , RACISM AND FASCISM AND VARNA SYSTEM ! YOU MAY CONSULT YOUR LEGAL ADVISER THAT WORSHIPING , GLORIFYING AND DEFENDING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS COME UNDER RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OR NOT .
    ( 2 ) You are just ranting and raving your senile ideas and spouting venom and hatred against Hindus.
    MY ANSWER IS : – I AM NOT SPOUTING VENOM AND HATRED AGAINST ANY COMMUNITY , RELIGION AND INDIVIDUAL. I AM JUST ALARMING MY SWEET COUNTRY FELLOWS REGARDING THE EVILS OF WORSHIPING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS AS WELL AS VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM WHICH OUR ELECTED GOVT.DECLARED OUT LAW .MY IDEAS ARE NOT SENILE . ONE DAY YOU CHILDREN WILL FEEL ASHAMED OF YOUR WORSHIPING EVILS AND THEY WILL HONOUR ME IN PUBLIC FUNCTIONS !!!!! MY VIEWS ARE HUMANISTIC . ( 3 ) It seems to me you are some unemployed frustrated old man who has nothing better to do in life other than posting some abuse in internet blogs.
    MY ANSWER IS : – ANKUSH BETE ! I AM NEITHER FRUSTRATED NOR UNEMPLOYED OLD MAN !!!!! I AM YOUNG,SMART AND SOBER .YOU CAN MEET ME AS A FRIEND . FRUSTRATED PERSONS EITHER COMMIT SUICIDE OR KILL THE OPPONENTS OR LEAVE THE FIELD ( RAN-CHHOD LIKE KRISHNA ) & DO REST AT HOME !!!!! ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT ANY FEAR !!!!!

  93. Karthikeyan said

    “ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT ANY FEAR !!!!!”

    except Karthikeyan.

  94. C,L.CHUMBER said

    ***** ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN
    OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT
    ANY FEAR !!!!!”
    ***** NO ONE IS BANNED AND NO BODY CAN BAN TO ANY BODY TO
    EXPRESS HIS / HER RATIONAL VIEWS BECAUSE THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT
    OF EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN .
    ***** NO ONE IS BOUND TO REPLY TO ANY ONE .

  95. C,L.CHUMBER said

    HAVE THEY( HINDUS )CARRIED ON A CRUSADE IN FAVOUR OF INTER-DINNING
    AND INTERCASTE MARRIAGES ? -DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR

    AND,IF THEY ARE SINCERE IN HOLDING THAT IT IS A SOCIAL QUESTION , WHAT PROOF IS THERE OF THEIR SINCERITY IN THIS MATTER ? HAVE CONGRESSMEN ( HINDUS ) SPONSORED SOCIAL REFORM AMONG HINDUS ? HAVE THEY( HINDUS )CARRIED ON A CRUSADE IN FAVOUR OF INTER-DINNING AND INTERCASTE MARRIAGES ? WHAT IS THE RECORD OF CONGRESSMEN ( HINDUS ) IN THE FIELD OF SOCIAL REFORM ?

  96. mesquiteice said

    chumber ji,

    is congress a hindu outfit? i didnt know.

    can you explain

  97. C.L.CHUMBER said

    WHEN DR.AMBAWDEKAR WROTE THIS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
    HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” IN 1945 AD , THE CONGRESS WAS A PURELY SHOW OF BRAHMINS AND BANIAS .THE CONGRESS LEADER MR.GANDHI OPPOSED THE DEMANDS OF THE UNTOUCHABLES WITH TOOTH AND NAILS AT THE TREE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES 1930-1932 A.D.AT LONDON .THE BRITISH GOVT.ANNOUNCED THE COMMUNAL AWARD ON 17TH AUGUST,1932 IN WHICH THE UNTOUCHABLES ( SCs ) WERE RECOGNIZED AS SEPARATE ELEMENT LIKE THE HINDUS , MUSLIMS , SIKHS AND ANGLO-INDIANS .MR.MANUWADI GANDHI TOOK FAST-UNTO-DEATH IN THE YERVADA PRISON,PUNE AGAINST ONLY THE UNTOUCHABLES`RIGHTS IN THE COMMUNAL AWARD .THAT IS WHY MR.GANDHI AND HIS CONGRESS WERE COMMUNAL HINDUS AGAINST THE POOR,INNOCENT AND HELPLESS UNTOUCHABLES .THIS IS A MASTER PIECE BOOK OF DR.AMBAWDEKAR WHICH EVERY ONE MUST READ TO UNDERSTAND THE UNTOUCHABLES`PROBLEMS,THEIRS DEMANDS AND STRATEGY TO FIGHT WITH THE COMMUNAL HINDUS .THE EDUCATION DEPTT.OF MAHARASHTRA GOVT.PUBLISHED THIS BOOK AS VOL.9 .
    IN THIS BOOK DR.AMBAWDEKAR QUOTED MR .THUCYDIDES` QUOTATION ON FRONT PAGE ,” IT MAY BE YOUR INTEREST TO BE OUR MASTERS , BUT HOW CAN BE OURS TO BE YOUR SLAVES ? ” THE CONGRESS AND BJP ARE TWO SIDES OF A MANUWADI POLITICAL COIN , THAT IS WHY AN RSS THINKER MR.MADHAV WROTE TO UNITE CONGRESS AND BJP AND RULE INDIA.. SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM ALSO SAID IN A RALLY AT CHANDIGARH ON 7TH APRIL,1987 THAT OUR OPPONENTS WILL UNITE AGAINST US OPENLY WHENEVER WE WILL BE STRONG ENOUGH !!!! WHAT ARE NDA OR UPA ALLIANCES ?

  98. mesquiteice said

    chumberji, thanks for the info

  99. Issac the Jew said

    DAMN RAPIST FASCIST AND RACIST CHUMBER IS AN ARSEHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. LONG LIVE THE JEWS!

  100. C.L.CHUMBER said

    WHAT IS THE PROBLEM TO THE JEWS FROM ME ? ACTUALLY MR>HAPPY HINDU IS USING THIS NAME WHO IS THE WORSHIPPER OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!

  101. mahesh said

    The word ‘brahmin’ is very loose word. It is mix match bag of people, which was strictly self seggregated, but if we go back, many of us were part of it. If we believe our ancestors, before varnas, in vedic tribe era, we are great people and we should cherish it.

    DID U KNOW: (follow these ‘do u know’ questions and read description, it will change your understaning about hinduism)

    1. Do u know, there was no Temples in Vedic period and it was copied from Budha. Budha didnot like castism and Vedic ritual and so he created his own religion and Brahmins didn’t like him at all, yet when budha died, Brahmins said, that Budha is incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

    2. Do u know, Tirupati statue and Panduranga statue are Budha statues?but brahmins changed them into Hindu gods?

    3. Do u know why Vedas is not translated in any other indian languages? because 90% of vedic poems are about rituals and meat eating methods and Soma juice (alcohol) and they are meaningless, only 10% is knowledge based vedic slokas.

    4. Do u know, we were all, Meat eating in Vedic period, and Vegetarianism came very recently, and it is out of competition with Budhisim/Jainism and brahminism?

    5. Do u know, Brahmins were cooks and care takers of Fire(yagna is nothing but celebration of fire and food, but they gave different meaning to it?

    6. Do u know, Most of the GODS were non Brahmins like Lord Rama, yet these Gods were inducted into brahminism and those GOds taken away from innocent castes?

    7. Do u know, that we Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS by Intellectual slavery and Knowledge monopoly?

    8. Do u know, it is all in the ‘Meaning’ that we give to a story or history that makes reality?and so all our history in the past has been changed by giving different meaning?

    9. Do u know Lord Parasurama is mass killer and killed his own mother, but he was made God by Brahmins?

    10.Do u know, our Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: is Castism which was invented by Brahmins and made everyone to follow strictly so that they can dominate?

    11.Abolition of Intellectual Slavery(after our Independence): we prospering by creating Equality now and we are making real progress, that is not seen for centuries in the past?

    12.Do u know, Reservation in education is a “pay back” time for our ancestors abuses? Brahmins had more than 100% reservation in the past?

    13.Do u know, Eklavya Syndrome — some Hindus continue to suffer even now in some remote villages in India(they can’t use thumb for bow and arrow?

    14.Do u know, Castism is worse than Racism (castism hindu hates hindu, racism white hates black)?

    15.Do u know, Idol worship started after Budhism? 300-400BC

    16.Do u know we practiced “Purusha Medha Yagna” (sacrificing people) but we don’t talk about it.

    17.Do u know, Brahmins had “ 100% Educational reservation” for Centuries?(and we need same years for others to develop)

    18.Do u know, SOMA juice is the most addictive ‘alcohol’ like drink,used extensively in Vedic period.

    19.Do u know, “gotras” are based on Owner ship of cattle in vedic period?

    IF u donot know these facts————– read on——- to get profound Knowledge—It will change your LIFE for EVER!!

    Brain is like a muscle, the more exercise u do , the stronger it gets.We have not only atrophied our Hindu brains for generations by hating them that the brain has been dis-use atrophy and it takes long time to bring it back to original state. We have given ultimate punishment and no wonder they are poor, illiterate, uneducated, dispirited– and unable to use benefits given to them. If we blame their poverty,illiteracy, uneducation— we are blaming ourselves.

    We have to follow, evidence based Facts of life. The conditions in India, like castism, poverty, illiteracy, is the result of our past. Past is the foundation. Altered past doesn’t create Reality we face now. Our current stories about our ‘Past’ is not true, because it doesn’t fit into our reality of Hinduism. If we were great in the past then we should have have created ‘Equality’ and be most prosperous and Developed Country without any Poverty by now, more rich than USA or any western country and we should have been most educated and most healthy and most Literate? but we are not??? This is the mismatch. If ‘Present’ is the result of ‘Past’ then why mistmatch? It is the manipulation of few Tribes over other tribes, that created this mismatch. Lets get to the TRUTH.

    Do u know what is profound Knowledge means? It means : when u have profound knowledge about something, you will have instant powerful understanding and Instantly It will change your LIFE for Ever. Read on …………………

    Greatest blunder of our Hinduism is neglecting our own Hindus by telling that it is all maya and u suffer because of your past sins and paying for it now( this is down fall of Hinduism..

    Meat eating Vedic Period:Brahmins were part of it!!! ( check below web site and go to Book IV of Rigveda and scroll down to Hymn XVIII and look for 13 stanza.)

    http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/index. htm#vedas

    Rigveda: Book IV: Hymn: XVIII: 13: ” in deep distress I cooked a dog’s Intestines. Among the Gods I found not one to comfort

    Rig Veda : Book IV: Hymn: XXII: 8: ” he finds in lair the buffalo and wild ox when the wise lead him on to vigorous exploit. Indra obtains these two animals either for himself as sacrificial flesh or for his worshippers, who would not object to eat the flesh of wild oxen”

    Origin of OUR Brahminism: Are we really Cooks in the Vedic times( like Udipi and Woodlands hotels) The origin of the Brahmins as cooks can be understood only in the context of the Yagna being looked upon as a ritualization of the cooking function. The Yagna is a term we popularly understand as a fire sacrifice involving the offering of grains, clarified butter, sandalwood etc, to a fire . This fire is ignited in a special fireplace called the Kund, which literally means a “Pot”. The Brahmins who were now not only tenderers of the fireplace any longer, but had come to acquire the status of representatives of Gods on earth and secured their share in the surplus by propagating beliefs that those who looked upon their own needs without a thought of the Brahmins were eaters of sin. This was how the practice of Da na was born.

    EVERY PROBLEM HAS ITS PAST Every problem has Past > Any problem that any one has first thing u ask is : what happened ? then u tell them about past events of that problem ? Ask any doctor, they will tell you how important is to know past history of a patient to diagnose and treat and plan future management. Old vedic period, there was no Intellectual slavery and Untouchability. Any one with dedication would have become Hindu intellect as mentioned below. It is because of few bunch ill minded people who started discrimination and used ‘Intellectual slavery and Untouchability’ to the extreme and paralysed Hinduism. See below all great Hindus were not brahmins, but reached highest levels by sheer freedom of their intellect and hardwork and dedication.

    All the great historical people below were non Brahmins: (see listing below)

    Maharshi VALMIKI – Fisherman (initially a highway robber)Composer of Ramayana, Lot of Hindus from Pakistan belong to the so called backward “Balmik’ caste. Maharshi VED VYAS – Son of a fisher woman Matsya Gandha, Composer of Mahabharat which also contains Gita. Maharshi MATANGA – A matang (harijan caste) & Guru of Shabari, Shabari – A Bhil (adivasi tribe), VIDUR- Son of a dasi, Devotee of Krishna, Chief Minister of Hastinapur, Chandragupta Maurya and the Maurya Dyanasty — Maurya originates from Muria, a tribe which used to collect Peacock (Mor) feathers, also goat herders, Khushru Khan – A lower caste Hindu forcibly converted to Islam,ruled Delhi for 4 months,called himself Hindu Pad- paadshah, hastened the decline of Khilji empire, Hemu- Dhansar (weighman in the market), Ruler of Delhi for 1 month. Fought with Akbar and was killed in the 2nd battle of Panipat (Nov.5, 1556)
    Most of the MawaLas- Kunbi, Followers of Shivaji Maharaj, including Tanhaji Malusare, Yesaji Kank, Jiva Mahal, MalharRao Holkar – Dhangar (goat herder) the royal Sardar of Marathas, Ahalyabai Holkar – Daugther in Law of Malhar Rao, She built Ghats on Ganga, Yamuna, Narmada, rebuilt temples including the temple complex in Ayodhya, Sant Tukaram- Kunbi caste (Tukaram calls himself a shudra), Sant Rohidas – Chamar(cobbler) also called Raidas, Guru of Mirabai, Sant Namdev- Shimpi or Darji (tailor), his work is included in Guru Granth Saheb, Sant Janabai- Dasi, domestic servent in Sant Namdev’s home, Sant Chokha Mela -Mahar (harijan), Sant Soyarabai- Sant Chokha’s wife (harijan), Sant Goroba- Kumhar (potter), Sant Savata Mali – Mali (gardener), Sant Narahari – Sunar (goldsmith), Sant Sena – Nai (barber).

    Like any problem it has ‘start and end’. Past is very important to know and diagnose exactly and to come up with plan of action for solution. The better u understand our past of the problem the easier it is to solve. Some times just making aware of the problem brings solution , as simple as that. So ‘Awareness’ of the problem is vital. Please don’t use Instinct response like young Gulls(bird) open their mouths for food as soon as a beak like shape with a red spot on it appears above the, because this is how the mother gull looks. A piece of wood bearing a red spot will produce the same response. In the past people depended entirely on the trustworthiness of the source of our scriptures that is passing on the learning. Majority of Hindus meet the knowledge of our Hinduism through the prejudiced eyes of the person who is handing on the learning.

    3. New Concept called “MAIL Sydrome”: The word ‘MAIL’ is an abbreviation for meaning/association/interpretation/links: Even though, we have great people who are not GODS/ Brahmins, but all those NON BRAHMIN great Saints were inducted into Brahminism and pulled from their respective Caste by changing the meaning/interpretation/association/linking them by saying that they are “Incarnation of GODS” and thus part of Brahmins. It is ‘Interpretation’ we were give to any incident or story. It is ‘Associations’ we were told to make. It is ‘Meanings’ we are given to accept. It is ‘Links’ that were established in our Epic stories and repeated ritually with firmness : that they become our Belief system and over Centuries they become, our Faith. Together they are called ‘MAIL System’where M’letter stands for, Meaning, ‘A’ letter in mail stands for Associations, ‘I’ letter stands for Interpretations, finally letter ‘L’ in word mail stands for links that we make to decorate a lie. So u can give or change “meaning” to a particular experience or incident/story/or Hindu history for that matter : for example : how Bush Linked or associated or gave interpretation to invading Iraq ??? you can give wrong interpretation to any fact and keep repeating it until it becomes a Truth???. That waht happened to ;Hinduism my friends. Wake Up . Stand up. Open Eyes. Widely. See both sides of Coin for the first time. false statement and repeat with with strong faith and fear of punishment if not followed, will eventually leads to established Belief. Now imagine : you select a nasty thing that happened and you want write and document but if u state as it is with true meaning then you lose your entire group domination and Ego and so all the facts of that story are there but it is given completely different interpretation and meaning and linked to God and associated to Heaven and Hell according to your belief and there is punishment and reward for accepting that story. So by using “mail” system they were able to change the history and its direction. It is nicely wrapped in time and protected by those people who manufactured that story.

    4. Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS: Did we really commit this Crime: when some say: ” Historical crime has been committed by these Untouchable Brahmins.The enormity of crime is indescribable. The very fact of this crime collapses whole Brahminism and thus Hinduism.The account of peace and happiness is credited when Untouchability and Intellectual slavery is remembered , but debited when it is forgotten. This is self victimizing religious Phenomenon. By definition they became Criminals of History and continue to commit emotional crimes with their criminal mind. This emotional crime has no objective evidence involved. It brings Spiritual blackmailing, which enhances Emotional Terrorism.

    5. Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal.

    6. Abolition of Intellectual Slavery (about 100 years ago) brought INdia into 21st Century and paving the way for goodness of our Hindus for the first time. Brahmin Tribe is the one who invented this slavery. Intellectual slavery is worst invention human being has ever invented !Most of our hindus have surrendered their intellegencia to the higher caste people in the name of God and they were not allowed to read or write or think!!!

    7. Ekalavya tribe :I was surprised to see in Zee TV recently that : ekalavya tribe still exists in India who are so scared of using their thumbs(even now !!) and they have shown people using other fingers during their archery ??.
    Ekalavya Syndrome is compelling evidence of Emotional Abuse and
    Intellectual Slavery> This century old Emotional Rapism still existing in India !! and one can imagine impact in the lives of our hindus of other Psychological Trauma and its long term consequences.

    8. Our bundle of HINDUISM consists of : All our Gods, all 4 Vedas, Upanishads, Mahabharat, Ramayan, all our Traditions, All our Culture, all our Philosophy, understanding, rituals we are proud of and other things you can think of is in it.This bundle we are holding so dearly for many Centuries proudly and lovingly which makes us feel Ego bloated anytime we want has produced following results to all of us as Hindus.
    1. Untouchability 2. Castism 3. Intellectual Slavery 4. Illiteracy 5. one Billion People 6. Motherless children 7. disease and deaths 8. discriminations 9. dirt, filth
    Only when Intellectual Slavery Abolished —— Hindus Progressed for the last few decades after suffering centuries, most importantly “information revolution”.
    Irrespective of our excuses we come up with above points to explain; this bundle should have taken care of. IF we say these 9 points have reasons and it is because of some people doing this and that is not sufficient. Because this Bundle of Hinduism should have taken care of and overcome those hurdles and should have shown Resilience. We only feel self satisfied by giving excuses for the past deeds and continue feed our egos with our past. The above 9 points can never be God given gifts. They are man made. No more tongue twitings verbalogy or explanations to our suffering.

    9. Parasurama ?? Lord was in my House and my son noticed his Violence depicted on the picture we are praying on him ( he killed his own mother and kept on killing Kshatriyas a kind of Genocidal Barbarism) I took Parasurma’s photo from my house and as I could not explain and give the same altered and well coated meanigs sayiing” he is God’s Avatar and he can do it and he has purpose to do it” these over decorated meanings are disturbing my mind. I think he was made GOD even though he Massagcred millions almost wiped out Kshatriyas. Brahmins are good at making NonBrahmins( like Lord Rama, Lord Krishna as Gods and induct them into Brahminism by saying that they are avatars of God, infact all these Non Brahmins Gods donot belong to brahmin tribe.

    10. Chandayoga : I was told that We were beef eaters and it was well established
    facts that chandayoga permitted the same. For centuries we were doing this
    pratices in Vedas, including Animal sacrifices. Meat eating stopped only when Gautam Buddha and Jainism competed with Brahmins.??.

    12. PurushaMedha Yagna: sacrifycing Humans in the name of God !! please explain what it means and without giving any decorated meanings. I am so disappointed by this ritual and was ashamed when some one said that this practice is equal to Cannibalism.were we so bad and did we really practice. I know Ashwa Medha Yagna. people say we are very good at giving changed, altered, well decorated meanings to our history facts so that it looks and feels good to listen
    to and read too but also keeps our Hinduism and our dominanation as Brahmins upbeated. Before u read any further, this Please Please, donot Assume things automatically that this is from a SFI student or Marxist Or communist or Islamic fanatic or CHristian monk or something that can make u feel better and escape from these statements or divert others by saying so. I can never be none other than a Pure Hindu and can never be converted, as I have Genetic imprint on my each and every cell of my Body !! I believe in our HIndus, live as a Hindu and Democratic and die with it !!!!

    13. Mass Hypnotism: I could not answer this statement: please shed some light : “Mass hypnotism/mass exploitations of Emotions with highly successful ‘Fear factor’ of Hell and Pain was extensively used and attached for not following their orders in name of GOD and thus Conditioning every Innocent non Brahmin Hindus to castism making a permanent system that continues to propel their superiority” do we have statements or evidence of facts and truth with some proof do deny this ?? Crores of Hindus now take it granted that it is their fate to be born poor or illiterate hoping may be in next birth they will born in another caste or world.

    14. 100% Reservation by Brahmins:This statement was mind bongling and dumbfounded and unable to answer to my fellow friends who confronted me with this big Concept: It says:”Brahmins enjoyed > 100% ‘RESERVATION in education:You bloom where planted and the concept of reservation is planted by these people and now it is blooming their backyard. Brahmins enjoyed 100% ( more than 100%) Reservation for centuries ( Educational Monopoly).Now it is time for Kshudras and other non Brahmins to take reservation and go upto 100%. For them there is pot of gold at the end of Rainbow. So I say to these people abandon all hope , ye who enter here and in this book. Poor
    people entertain with heart while others indulge in Soma Juicy ( potent drug,famous juice in Vedas) drink which was used by all Aryans in Vedas for centuries as a powerful Drug.

    15. Agni-hotras — the prototype of the Brahmin Tribe as of today”Agni-Hotra” Preserver of Fire .Yagna was Orignally the Cooking Process for the Tribe. According to one hypothesis, the origin of the clergy in India goes back to the days when humans learnt to ignite fire through friction. Initially the fire must have been obtained from an already bur ning source like forest fires. In these circumstances, before the days of ignition the task of tending the fire was very crucial. Accidents happen in best regulated tribes like in any race and it was by accident only that word Brahmin was attached to ‘Agni Hotra” Fire was then, as it still is, an object of worship.

    16. Soma Juice: Is it true that it was mentioned in the Rig-Veda, much of the Brahman literature is embellished with instructions for the careful performance of new sacrifices, such as the rajasuya, or royal consecration, the vajapeya, a strength-drinking rejuvenation ceremony, and the Chandogya, permit the consumption of meat.

    17. Pre Aryan Kshudras It is widely agreed that the Shudra caste of Indian society was largely constituted from the pre-Aryan inhabitants of India who were subjugated by the Aryans. Is this a fact or fiction and do we have proof for it.

    18. Thread Ceremony: DO we agree on this historical facts told by my Professor: Upanayana – Thread Ceremony – was a tool by which the Brahmins could preserve their hold over the Kshatriyas . The Upanayana ceremony like any other religious ceremony could be performed only, by the Brahmins. After undergoing Upanayana, the Kshatriyas had to pledge to be protectors of Brahmins and recognize the higher status of the Brahmins in the caste hierarchy. In doing this, the Brahmins had the support of the emotional hold they had over society as a whole by means which they could differentiate between warriors baptised as Kshatriyas and the unbaptised ‘degraded’ Kshatriyas. Gotra – The Common Cowpen These clans which were based on ownership of cattle came to be termed as Gotra which literally means a cowpen. In
    this environment rival clans strived to obtain cattle, the principal
    sources of wealth, by war when they could not successfully breed it. The
    word used to describe a war was Gavishti which literally means ‘to
    search for cows Here qualities such as greed and accumulation of wealth in
    the form of cattle could thrive.

    The root cause of conversions is not poverty, The root cause of conversions is not due to hatredThe root cause of conversions is not due to illiteracyThe root cause of conversions is not due to Christian luring our hindusThe ROOT CAUSE is: We as hindus not respecting our hindus and making every effort to maintain castocratic hierachy.We as Hindus not allowing our own age old Hindus to enter our templesWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to enter perform poojasWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to sit beside usWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to be equal psychologically,mentally,spiritually, emotionally.We as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to be have the same self esteem and Self identity.We as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to get the same respect as we give to our castocratic hindus. I challenge if we follow these steps: conversions will stop automatically, non violently;1. Give kshudras(dalits) back their lost respect2. Give kshudras(dalits)back their lost self identity3. Give kshudras(dalits)back their right to enter temples and do poojas4. Given kshudras(dalits) back Their lost spirituality and closeness to GOD.5. Give kshudras(dalits) their identity, respect,equality they richly deserve.=they are the true dravidians we have left from our past.

    Whenever a system or group or organization become sufficiently populated and properly interconnected, the interactions assemble themselves into a new order; for example: proteins into cells, cells into organs, organs of the body into whole organisms and organisms into societies. Simple parts networked together can undergo a metamorphosis.

    A single Ant cannot fight off a Wasps, but a few tens of millions of them can perform miracles. Similarly a bacteria multiplying every twenty minutes(single parent bacteria can multiply a billion offspring in a day), gives them awesome power in nature with marathon of mutations and selection. Bacteria are the first to evolve and perfect the self organization as a strategy for survival. As the bacterial self organization matures, the emergent community becomes one thousand times more resistant to antibiotics and toxic chemicals than the individual bacteria on their own!!.

    We have to learn from them and tighten our belts and take actions to bring change to our Hinduism and embrace changing world and create equality to all our Hindus psychologically, spiritually, emtionally, mentally. Otherwise we will be left behind. Way behind. First class proteins (meat) we sacrificed for centuries, has left us vulnerable to lowering our mental strength, as u know very well Human evolution leaped ahead when Non vegetarians added accidentally. Skull studies and brain growth clearly supports facts that meat eating promotes brain growth much more rapidly than vegeterain diet.

    Learning from BEES:

    This concept of self organization of Groups, played profound role in nature that some believe that they are to life what relativity is to physics. A swarming bees is marvel of self organization. Entomologists use videotapes to capture the patterns of messenger bees as they return to the hive and report the sites they have visited and take the form of buzzing consensus. More remarkable is the communal behavior that holds internal hive temperature a near constant 98 degrees Fahrenheit, which is accomplished through a fascinating specialization and coordination. They maintain temperature inside their bee hives remarkably constant by networking and organizing.

    In summer, bees diversify their roles. Some continue to collect pollen to maintain the colony’s food supply, others bring water droplets into the hive and deposit them on the brood combs, still others beat their wings near the comb to stimulate evaporative cooling !! and some finally fan the hot exhaust air out the opening side of bee hive.

    Strength of group work of Bees:

    Been in Winter, seal off crevices, holes and openings with comb material, as cold weather intensifies the bees assemble their body mass around the brood comb to form a insulating layer. Each bee generates 0.1 calorie of heat per minute. Thus a typical hive of 20,000 bees can infuse the brood comb with 2,000 calories a minute, which is comparable to the energy expended by a toaster oven. This is the power of forming a group and acting together!!! Each person is as important as they connect, network in one organization. As a result in winter or summer the brood combs are kept within one degree variation of the optimal temperature!!

    We as hindus should work together and give respect that other caste deserves. Let them be part of the every other system we are in. This will thwart other religions influence and there will be no longer conversion.

    These properties seen in nature, enable a system or organization to tap its own latent potential to defend, innovate and transform itself.

    All things in Universe= living and non living lose energy over time. Steel rusts, if not taken care of it will turn into dust. Living things if not refueled by food or sunlight perish and decay. “ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust” is a poetic way of stating the second law of Thermodynamics. Without variety or change a organization will perish. Failure to change with changing world will result in an inability to cope successfully with variety when it is introduced from an external source. For example fish in a bowl can swim, breed, obtain food with minimal effort and remain safe from predators, but as aquarium owners know such fish are excruciatingly sensitive to the slightest change. But fish in sea have to work much harder to sustain themselves and faced with variety and rapid changes, they can cope with challenges. Lets bring change to our group although we may remain same for short period of time.

    Equilibrium is associated with balance is good thing, surely for short period of time. But coping mechanisms that have atrophied because we were same as before or we have not not practiced coping with change mechanisms during long periods of balance equilibrium will bring disaster. This will apply to organization, religion when there is no change usually prove inadequate for the new challenge.

    Alfred North Whitehead got it right when he said “ Without adventure (which might define as disequilibrium or variety or accepting change caused by breaks with conventional wisdom), CIVILIZATION is in full Decay”

    Prolonged equilibrium or not changing in time as world demands is a precursor of disaster. But remember for short term basis equilibrium and not changing in time and not changing with world is fine but over long periods equilibrium becomes hazardous. Change is must. Change will come. Change is part of nature. We must be ready. Balance our equilibrium and disequilibrium. We have balance between remaining same and changing. Why? Because the environment or nature in which we are living is always changing!!!! At times it is turbulent. If we don’t change and keep prolonged equilibrium then it will dull our senses and saps its ability to arouse ourselves appropriately in the face of danger.

    Equilibrium by Default(not allowing change, remaining same)

    A bird called ‘Dodo’ is extinct in native south pacific habitat, it enjoyed stable, unchanging, congenial environment safe from predators. It was lulled by the equilibrium during a prolonged period and was defenseless 50lbs bird became incapable of flight, thus abruptly, it became fatally vulnerable to sailors and settlers with firearms. We have to change with changing world and bring variety to match up with habitat we live in. For everyone immersed in equilibrium and willing not to change and remain same because we were good in the past and we were great in the past, it is not easy to recognize it as a threat because it often wears the disguise of an advantage. It is concealed inside strong values close knit social system like ours will be unable to cope with challenge when encountered. Dinosaurs gone, Neanderthals gone, many animals extinct, Egyptians gone, Romans disappeared, Aryans dissolved, all gods lived and gone. Change happens and change is must. If we say, we are good, we were great, so why change? Lets remain same, will not guarantee our survival. We as Hindus perish. Go extinct??

    We are living in …………..>altered past= altered present=altered future. We altered meaning of past history, Which alters meaning of present status, Which will eventually alter meaning of future.
    WE ARE LIVING IN FALSE REALITY, TIME TO WAKE AND ADOPT AND ADAPT

  102. mahesh said

    Cycle of Self Destructive Hindu Religion

    Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal

    Solution to Cycle of SelfDestructive Hindu Religion:

    Reverse the cycle. 20th Century there was abolition of Intellectual slavery and we can see the results in our country. Loosening of Untouchability is showing results in boosting morality of Hindus. Ignorance exploitations is monitored( it is a start). Emotional and mental and physical abuses are under check atleast for now. On the whole , going through the cycle was the rule for Non Brahmins and it is not anymore

  103. mahesh said

    Since abolition of Intellectual slavery and removal of Untouchability and decreasing Emotional abuses all over India, you can see tremendrous progress these few decades.Education became every one’s : propertyTemples became everyone’s : comfort place with GODEmotional scars are healing, abuses are being taken care of. Emotionally raped tribes are given chance to come back.more needs to be donewe have to talk these dark side aspects of our religionwe have to talk about it repeatedly until we get desensitized by itwe have be comfortable with these aspects of our Hinduismwe have to face it now or some time in future, why not get over it.Join the momentum: jai bhajarang baliact now.awareness of this problem is itself CUREwhen u know exactly what is the problem: solution comeout by itself.Know your problem as it is.donot adultrate the problem.respect nature: respect the past. take history as it is: learn from itreplay past records, disuss about it. argue about it. learn from it. PAST is our best teacher

  104. mahesh said

    we as Hindus and our hinduism is very good in arguments and philosophycal
    discussions and imaginative ego satisfactions. this is the reason why I say:
    our Hinduism will go extinct. that is why we are still underdeveloped and
    primitive with divisions and castism and discriminations and crimes and
    bribery, povery, overwhelming populations, dirt, lazyness: —- If we are
    so great and oldest and greatest and biggest and brightest people: why we
    are so backward in all aspects of life compared to other countries. why we
    have laid back so much compared to western countries. It is not sufficient
    to blame other countries by saying that we they have stolen our Ideas and
    literature and Knowledge. it is meager excuse and shameful to say.

    If we are so intelligent , we should have counteracted these same
    westerners from stealing. Are we so stupid at that time to give these
    valuable resources to these people and let them prosper and while we are
    degrading with these same knowledge we have ?

    So stop self boasting and comebck to the ground. talk reality. whatever we
    have in our religion and culture didnot support us to go into prosperity ,
    equality and it did make us underdevelop, made us much poorer nation,
    created more and more populations and made our country dirt, filthy, with
    millions of children became victims of diseases.

    we have to accept our reality and feel the real life and come with
    facts.accept facts: most important thing to do . accept the facts. A truth
    is a truth. it burns if u refuse it or hide it. our religion and culture and
    traditions has failed us miserably by creating inequality, invented
    untouchability, intellectual slavery and emotional rapism

    __________________________________________________

  105. mahesh said

    This bundle of hinduism consists of : All our Gods, all 4 Vedas, Upanishads, Mahabharat, Ramayan, all our Traditions, All our Culture, all our Philosophy, understanding, rituals we are proud of and other things you can think of is in it. this bundle we are holding so dearly for many Centuries proudly and lovingly which makes us feel Ego bloated anytime we want has produced following results to all of us as Hindus. 1. Untouchability2. Castism3. Intellectual Slavery4. Illiteracy5. one Billion People6. Motherless children7. disease and deaths8. discriminations9. dirt, filth, unhygienic life Only when Intellectual Slavery Abolished —— Hindus Progressed for the last few decades after suffering centuries, most importantly “information revolution”. Irrespective of our excuses we come up with above 9 points to explain; this bundle should have taken care of. IF we say these 9 points have reasons and it is because of some people doing this and that is not sufficient. Because this Bundle of Hinduism should have taken care of and overcome those hurdles and should have shown Resilience. We only feel self satisfied by giving excuses for the past deeds and continue feed our egos with our past. The above 9 points can never be God given gifts. They are man made. No more tongue twitings verbalogy or explanations to our sufferings . Lets meditate on this points. Please be silent for a minute. NOW.

  106. mahesh said

    Name one Brahmin who spend his entire life : uplifting poor and Dalits

    Name on BRAHMINS WHO SPEND FEW DAYS OF LIFE : talking about Non Brahmins, which is majority of Hindus , who are illiterate.

    Name a single Brahmin : who said : untouchability is the single most shameful mistake that any religion has ever done to themselves.
    Tell me on Brahmins who worked like Mahatma Gandhi( Baniya community) Tell me one Brahmin who agrees with Ambedkar concepts Name one Brahmins who donated something: money/clothes/food/books/sponsored poor/adopted a Kshudra child.

    Change is must and it is coming lot of Brahmins whome I spoke to : for the first time realzing how bad this situation.
    They know now difference between : individual Christian, Individual Budhist how much respected they are compared to our Hindu Individual and their individual prosperity. this is the bottom line: Every Hindu should be developing along with each other cooperation without Untouchability or Intellectual slavery or Emotional rapism

  107. mahesh said

    Our beloved Priests, Great Scholars and so called Great Intellectuals: The Brahmins– Destroyed Hinduism–here is how. They have used weapons of mass Hindu destruction(discrimination,knowledge monopoly,intellectual slavery,emotional abuses,untouchability). They used emotional mantras and abused many hindus psychologically. The negative energy was tolerated by innocent Hindus for ages. They have forgotten that
    E=mc2:
    E=emotional energy
    m=mass of hindu people
    c2=speed of change
    this has enornous energy. Majority of hindus have collected enormous energy that can be channeled to bring the change. The change is coming. It is fast, lighting speed!!!!! it is scary for them.!!!!Weapons of Mass Hindus Destruction(WMHD) are: Untouchability, Intellectual Slavery, Emotional abuses, Spiritual Monopoly)
    Weapons of Mass Hindu Destruction(WMHD) that was used by Hindus on Hindus are so powerful, it has effect like we have seen on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are longterm radiation complications of these negative energy resulting in cancers for generations. So educationa and socio-economical reservations are not able to treat or eradicate the effects.
    Lets compete with ourselves
    Lets bring this sacred truth, before other do
    Lets be self critic
    Lets take responsibility on our shoulders
    Lets make it black and white.
    LEts not escape by saying, other religions take advantage of us.
    LEts give respect our Hindus deserve, give them back their lost Humanity. They will never convert into other religions.
    Lets take a charge.
    All our greatness, rich heritage, oldest culture will vanish, if we not learn from our mistakes and identify them. We will be Isolated, feel lonely, Guilt toxic, nothing feels satisfying, no Heaven or Hell, Restless, makes u feel worthless even though u have acquired all vedic knowledge. It is time to rescue ourselves. Respect ourselves. U know very well what happen to Hitler. While Hitler was visible to naked eye and he was eventually defeated, there Brahminism is invisible dictators, who abused millions for ages and killed many hindus Psycholociall, mentally, emotionally, socio-economically. This was emotional dictatorship. Spirituality was stripped from innocent Hindus. Raped millions of Hindus Spiritually,emotionally. They used these weapons of mass hindu destruction—Untouchability, Intellectual slavery, Knowledge monopoly. This brahministic dictatorship is ending slowly. This is done by Non Brahmins Allies who came together and attacked them, making Knowledge accessable to everyone, reversing their educational reservation.
    They are the ones who invented ‘Untouchability and Intellectual slavery and Knowledge Monopoly’ They made every other caste to learn how to use weapon of castocracy and now they are trying to come out of it by making others do their job, as the discriminations continue in various castocratic levels. Their vigorous practice with manipulations of meanings from vedas and other religious scriptures, they have succeeded in abusing majority of hindus for centuries. When asked about the caste system, they always gave good meaning to it saying that it was good for the people and it was created by God(Lord Rama), who never told them to cut Ekalavyas thumb, who never told them to kill those khsudras who were trying to learn some skill or read or touch books!
    They try to hide these age old atrocities, saying that was all past, why u are bringing it now? They are forgetting that they have practiced for centuries and they can’t get rid of it by few decades of Reservation now. Psychological, mental, emotional, spiritual slavery they have practised on generations, after generations, will take time to bring change in our Innocent Hindus, who were thinking that living in Sudra life is their payback for their ancestral sins??? and this is well sponsored by Brahmins.
    Let them tell u one single brahmin who dedicated his or her life to the upliftment of other hindus?It is time to take this responsibility.it is time to bring this sacred truthIt is time to expose once for all.Give the respect all Hindus deserve.Give them back their lost Humanity.Respect our past.Lets spread this Sacred Truth! my Brother.

    Trying to generalize their sins, they will try to compare with racism, but they forget that castocratic discrimination is worse than racism. In racism, white discriminates black, but in caste system, a hindu hates other hindu?? get it? it is like black hating black or white hating white in caste system????
    Blaming other castes for castocracy is just another way of escaping themselves that they don’t do these abuses anymore, while making other higher caste people addicted to these concept.Yes when Lord Rama was there, the caste system was in good shape with right meaning given to right levels, which was later manipulated by castrocratic people, who abused this system for ages. As a fire-incharge people who learned how to do animal sacrifices and food rituals( Yagna,agni hotra), they punished 80-90% of Hindus with their religious monopoly and made other hindus less than Humans. They have to pay for their sins.
    Lets realize the facts
    lets face the truth
    lets be true to oneself
    lets purge our negative emotions
    lets create true hinduism
    lets respect our past as it is
    lets not disrespect our History
    Lets learn from our mistakes
    Lets stand infront of mirror and see who were and are!! for the first time!
    It is time to change.
    Change is must.
    It is essence of life and universe.
    Lets be brave to see dark side of hinduism in very frank manner.
    Lets compare with ourselves not with others.
    Lets blame ourselves for our status.
    No one steals from anyone unless they let them do it.
    LEts bring Hindus on one platform.
    Lets respect our hindus, give them religious freedom they deserve
    Give them back their emotions they lost, give them respect they deserve in Temples and in everyday life. Let them be touchables in Temples. Let them be free to chosen priests of our temple. Let them perform yagna. Let them have freedom with God. Let them talk one to one with GOD for the first time. THIS WILL ERADICATE CHRISTIAN CONVERSIONS.
    Let them be part of who u are, who we are the Hindus.
    Lets create a new chapter.
    Lets accept our mistakes, be first to correct it before someone else tries to correct.
    Lets be Self critic,before other religions criticize us.
    Lets our weakness be our Strength by identifying them and respecting them, learning from the.
    Let our failures as a Hindus be our Guiding Teacher.
    No one steals from anyone unless they let them do it( we let our knowledge steal by not giving to our own real Hindus.
    ARE WE READY for RECONCILIATION YET”””””???????
    Based on our Historical data, where can we expect our ancestors are : Heaven or !!!!!!!
    Lets do something about it………………………………………………………………………….
    Take time to think about it. Think like a person who is going to die!! Bring your real feeling.
    Be great Hindu. Real Hindu. Stand Up. Shake your concepts.
    It is time to Change. together LETS BRING THIS SACRED TRUTH>
    ___________________________

  108. h said

    Very nice Mahesh.

    But instead of blaming one community, can we not see how each one of us in the present and every community in the past, has or had a role to play in the denigration and decomposition of hindusim?

    Sometimes i do find the claim of some brahmins as being the ‘greatest’ as amusing. Why not call all hindus as equals and as equally ‘great’.

    Actually every community in India thinks it is the greatest. This so-called mania to be the ‘greatest’ is a type of mental problem (one comment from a non-brahmin:: is a daanam-taker greater or a daanam giver greater) — just shows each person’s level of ego. Such people are there everywhere. No escape.

    We have had enuf of seperation on the grounds of seperate communities.

    Its time for all hindus to unite on a common platform and take their heritage in their hands.

    No more brahmin.
    No more dalit.
    All are equal.

    If a child shows inclination for spiritual life and spritual knowledge, admit him to a gurukul (that’s how anyone became a ‘brahmin’ in the past). Nothing can be based on birth alone.

    How many gurukuls are there in India? And how many madrasas?

    People should come forward to open more gurukuls / vedic schools.

    Let us not allow anyone to take advantage of our internal problems.
    No politics. No conversions based on lure of money. If faith truly motivates anyone to convert, let them have their freedom.

    On the whole, let us become a strong hindu culture.

  109. mesquiteice said

    mahesh

    you said” Name one Brahmin who spend his entire life : uplifting poor and Dalits ”

    My answer :- Subramanya Bharathi

    Name on BRAHMINS WHO SPEND FEW DAYS OF LIFE : talking about Non Brahmins, which is majority of Hindus , who are illiterate. :

    My answer: Swami Raghavendra

    Name a single Brahmin : who said : untouchability is the single most : VO Chidambaram Pillai

    I want to ask you one thing in return:

    Please let me know one brahmin who has spoken bad of dalits

    Please let me know one brahmin who has worked his entire life againt dalits

    Please let me know one brahmin who hates his brothers like you seem to hate your brothers.

  110. mesquiteice said

    mahesh,

    I agree with what you say as far as your things to do are concerned.

    Lets build a better india.

  111. happy-hindu said

    1. Do u know, there was no Temples in Vedic period and it was copied from Budha. Budha didnot like castism and Vedic ritual and so he created his own religion and Brahmins didn’t like him at all, yet when budha died, Brahmins said, that Budha is incarnation of Lord Vishnu?
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    Vedic rituals are centrerd around fire. Temples began with the Siddha tradition in the south. Most agamic temples were in fact consecerated by the Siddhas. Please talk to yogis of Siddha tradition or visit Tiruvannamalai for more details.

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    2. Do u know, Tirupati statue and Panduranga statue are Budha statues?but brahmins changed them into Hindu gods?
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    i wud be glad if you could provide the references to this. Esp Tirumala, i am certain it was not Buddhist.

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    3. Do u know why Vedas is not translated in any other indian languages? because 90% of vedic poems are about rituals and meat eating methods and Soma juice (alcohol) and they are meaningless, only 10% is knowledge based vedic slokas.
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    I have a translated copy of the Rig Veda (book, hard copy) with me. I also had the Yajur in India in Sanskrit – both Shukla and Krishna, in my native place. There are no meat eating methods in it.

    There are hyms (or shlokas) to nature and those adderssing the divine within and without. Please clarify what you mean by “10% knowledge-based shlokas”.

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    4. Do u know, we were all, Meat eating in Vedic period, and Vegetarianism came very recently, and it is out of competition with Budhisim/Jainism and brahminism?
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    Agastya was meat-eating. Let us say….they ate anything they got as bikshuks. They were not concerned abt whether it was meat or not meat…Also beyond a certain point, yogis do not consume any solids.

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    5. Do u know, Brahmins were cooks and care takers of Fire(yagna is nothing but celebration of fire and food, but they gave different meaning to it?
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    No. This is a lie. Please provide references.

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    6. Do u know, Most of the GODS were non Brahmins like Lord Rama, yet these Gods were inducted into brahminism and those GOds taken away from innocent castes?
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    Gods were non-brahmins alright. The rest of the statement is false again. PLease Provide with references: that Gods were inducted into brahminism or took away innocent castes. Your statement is not clear. Please clarify what you intend to convey.

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    7. Do u know, that we Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS by Intellectual slavery and Knowledge monopoly?
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    Completely wrong. There was no intellectual slavery and no knowledge monopoly…..knowledge survived in small pockets when the entire country was razed down by muslims..and before that it survived deep down in kerala when practically the entire country was buddhist.

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    8. Do u know, it is all in the ‘Meaning’ that we give to a story or history that makes reality?and so all our history in the past has been changed by giving different meaning?
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    Provide references please.

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    9. Do u know Lord Parasurama is mass killer and killed his own mother, but he was made God by Brahmins?
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    I consider Rama as God. About Parasurama, I have a few reservations. In any case, Rama subdued Parasurama.

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    10.Do u know, our Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: is Castism which was invented by Brahmins and made everyone to follow strictly so that they can dominate?
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    An absolute lie.

    Caste system was designed by Kshatriyas to stay in power. A brahmin got nothing but respect. And even that he forewent, if he chose to stay isolated in a forest with no human contact.

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    11.Abolition of Intellectual Slavery(after our Independence): we prospering by creating Equality now and we are making real progress, that is not seen for centuries in the past?
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    First came the muslims, Then came the British. Who are you blaming?

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    12.Do u know, Reservation in education is a “pay back” time for our ancestors abuses? Brahmins had more than 100% reservation in the past?
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    This is a sickening statement. I regret my previous post praising you. What do you mean by “pay back” time? Please clarify.

    I am not a brahmin and i beleive a country can progress only if there is meritocracy.

    Reservations are meant for people who do not have the resources to compete, either intellectually, nor monetarily. We accept reservations for those who cannot compete monetarily….but for intellectual inability, there is no excuse. If fools decide things in the country….God forbid, it will become a dust-bin.

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    13.Do u know, Eklavya Syndrome — some Hindus continue to suffer even now in some remote villages in India(they can’t use thumb for bow and arrow?
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    Which Indian viallge is this? Are people still using bows and arrows? I do have friends who do sociology projects in interior India….never heard of bows and arrows except in remote tribals who do not know what is ekalavya.

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    14.Do u know, Castism is worse than Racism (castism hindu hates hindu, racism white hates black)?
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    Racism is worse than castism. People were killed. Nobody was ever killed in castism.

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    15.Do u know, Idol worship started after Budhism? 300-400BC
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    Wrong sir……very wrong….i had a siddha master. And i can explain abt idol worship, if you wud care to listen from a non-political open-minded stand.

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    16.Do u know we practiced “Purusha Medha Yagna” (sacrificing people) but we don’t talk about it.
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    Yes. Sacrificing people was practiced by the warrior communites in the past.

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    17.Do u know, Brahmins had “ 100% Educational reservation” for Centuries?(and we need same years for others to develop)
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    Wrong again. Either you skipped vedic tradition even until 1600 or you focussed on ‘brahmin’ caste as it came to be from 1900 onwards.

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    18.Do u know, SOMA juice is the most addictive ‘alcohol’ like drink,used extensively in Vedic period.
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    Soma was not alcohol. It was medicinal. It has been identified as Ephedra..Please read more about it.

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    19.Do u know, “gotras” are based on Owner ship of cattle in vedic period?
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    Yes, Gotras are cattle ownership. Later it included the teacher-student lineage.

    Regards.

  112. happy-hindu said

    Rigveda: Book IV: Hymn: XVIII: 13: ” in deep distress I cooked a dog’s Intestines. Among the Gods I found not one to comfort
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    Rig Veda : Book IV: Hymn: XXII: 8: ” he finds in lair the buffalo and wild ox when the wise lead him on to vigorous exploit. Indra obtains these two animals either for himself as sacrificial flesh or for his worshippers, who would not object to eat the flesh of wild oxen”
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    A man was in deep distress and ate what he could find. What’s wrong with it? Do you consider just a few to qualify the entire rig, sama, yajur and artharvana as books of ‘meat-eating methods’? Are these meat-eating methods btw?

    I consider most of the Rig just poetry, and if intoned within oneself, it feels good. For that matter, many portions of the Bible and the Quran also feel good — which is why we call them ‘divine’.

    Not only Chandogya, most upanishads were composed by those who ate meat….again the focus is not on meat alone..but anything that is a source of sustenance..

  113. happy-h said

    Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal.
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    i regret having commented in my first post to you in haste, praising you, without going thru all the material you have put out.

    hindusim did not create untouchability, illiteracy, poverty, intelelctual slavery, ignorance….

    Why do you guys Never look at how things Had to transpire after the Islamic incursions into India?

    Why keep blaming your own and praise the actual looters?

  114. mesquiteice said

    very intersting posts. Enlightening in fact

    Full dose!

  115. Karthikeyan said

    This blog authors and others teaming with them have totally illogical plans. They want to:

    1. bring “equality” by “reserving” seats for some people.
    2. bring “peace” by “destroying” brahminism.

    Total comedy.

    Hinduism says “your sufferings is because of your past actions”. It doesn’t say “you’ll be born Shudra if you do sins”. Sufferings come to people irrespective of Varna because of their deeds. This is Hindu teaching. If you don’t want to believe it, then choose your own way. Who cares?

  116. Rowan Moses said

    The brahmins destroyed the roots of Dravidian civilization by bringing their corrupt caste system to India- Indisputable fact and the proof exists even today.
    We should not annihilate them but try to attain independence from India and destroy the caste system from Dravidian lands and then we will attain the glory of our ancient civilization. The Dalits were the only Dravidians(I am not one) to oppose aryan rule that is why they were made to be scavengers our new Dravidian country should give the brahmins a choice-Either take your culture and your vedic gods to the north or scavenge in the south. The Dalits should rule this new and glorious Dravidian state and lead us to our former glory.

    Praise be to our civilization and we will be independent one day.

  117. Veludurai said

    Rowanmoses,

    What is the indisputabile proof. Do let us know what this great proof is. There is absolutely no evidence of an aryan invasion especially of south india. Many Brahmins have come through indegenous indian tribes. Anyway this false propoganda was instrumental in the exodus of Brahmins from Tamil Nadu.

    Now the tamilians are ruled by their own Dravidian parties since many decades now. Whats the problem now. Why are you still cribing. You say you are not a dravidian. So what are you – a christian missionary out to get tamil nadu separate from India. For your information Tamil Nadu has the highest number of Hindu temples in India frequented by the Dravidian Tamils and also majority of them owned by Dravidians. So whats your problem Mr Missionary.

    The separate state of Tamil Nadu from the Indian union is an impossibility. It is just not sustainable as TN is dependent on other parts of India. Even the dravidian parties do not talk about it now. They did this initially in the 50s and 60s when Periyar and his disciple Annadorai was propped up by the CIA to start a separatist movement. But the propoganda of the movement was based on unrealistic myths and had no semblence of reality. TN was just too much an inseparable part of India both geographically, culturally and socially. So this malicious myth and propoganda just disappeared since the 70s. Annadurai and his CIA mentors did not pursue it further as there was nothing much they could reap from this myth. And here comes this moron Rowan Moses who wants to reinvent this myth. Good luck and we all know the outcome.

  118. Rajendran said

    Dear Rowan Moses,

    Your dravidian leader the irrationalist Karunanidhi mentioned that Dravidians came from Lemuria as Opposed to Aryans who came from Atlantis. As a Dravidian I am just wondering whether we should go back and drown in Indian Ocean as Lemuria is supposedly submerged.

    I am opting for the Indian Union and Rowan Moses in case you need your land back you know where to go. Go drown in the Indian Ocean.

  119. Shem-a said

    Dear Rowen Moses,

    You speak like a typical tamil christian.

    1) Please let us know what are those indisputable facts and proof.

    2) Please explain what you mean by “dravidian”.

    3) All dalits were not indigenous / older settlement groups. Do you consider a punjabi dalit sikh as an aryan or dravidian?

    4) What do you mean by “take you vedic gods to the north or scavenge in the south”? Please note:

    A good many brahmins come from the native / older settlement groups as indo-iranians.

    For your kind information, there are quite many tamilians who seem to have come from the central asians who displaced the indo-iranians in the north; and arrived in south themselves later – after being displaced by their own kind or a newer version of central asians.

    And sure mate, I can provide proof.

  120. happy-hin said

    Rowan Moses,

    I can provide proof that brahmins come from:

    a) indigenous tribes of India

    b) older civilization settlements (as opposed to some non-brahmin tamilians who come from newer settlements)

    c) and are from a mix-match group as much as other ‘castes’ across India. So you can drown your theory of racial purity amongst non-brahmin tamilians in the Indian ocean as well.

  121. C .L . CHUMBER said

    WHY RAM`S FATHER ( ? ) DASARATHA MADE PREGNANT HIS WIVES BY HIS GRAND SON ( DOHTA-SON OF ONE`S DAUGHTER ) RISHI SHARINGI ?????
    Dear Viewers ,
    I am sorry that I could not dialogue because I was on tour of Maharashtra , Andhra Pardesh and Gujrat for two weeks .Today , I returned .
    In Pune ( Maharashtra ) , I visited the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute -411004 .It was founded on July 6, 1917 and is a public organisation registered under Act 21 of 1860 AD . It is partly supported by annual earmarked grants from the Maharashtra Government which nominates five representatives on the Regulating Council and two on the Executive Board .The institute has also received grants from the Government of India and the University Grants Commission for special research projects . This institute is known for its world famous” Critical Edition Of the Mahabharta ” which costs Rs.19,000/- !
    I purchased only two books on Mahabharta ( 1986 AD ) and Ramayna ( 1994 AD ) both written by Mr. M.R.Yardi .Some fanatic manuwadis lost in dialogue in protecting theirs rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and abused me in writting frequently in the dalitnation . wordpress.com .This confirms that the manuwadis can not dialogue .They impose their views dictatorly and if they fail then they lost temper . They even called me rapist , racist and fascist without any evidence in frustration ! It is the biggest ever irony in the world`s history and mythology that the followers and defenders of rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods blamed others so bitterly !!!!!
    I am a member of a self-respectful family and a citizen of a India like country . I will answer him / them in a very cultured way with references so that no one in future can behave like this .
    I hereby reproduce Mr.M.R.Yardi`s book ” The Ramayna : Its Origin and growth ” as below with courtesy :-
    ” Rishi Shranga was the son of sage Vibhandka . He was brought up by his father in complete isolation from the rest of the world , so that he had not come into the contact with women .When the kingdom of Anga suffered from a severe famine , king Lomapaada was advised that if he could bring Rishi Saranga there , the rain would come and bring prosperity to his kingdom . The ascetic youth was enticed with the help of beautiful harlots and later given princess Shanta in marriage . In some Ramayna versions ( Buckle, para 343 ) , Shanta is said to be THE DAUGHTER OF DASARATHA ,GIVEN BY HIM in adoption to his friend Lomapaada . DASARATHA BROUGHT THE SAGE TO AYODHYA TO PRESIDE OVER HIS ASHAVMEDHA SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET SONS ( 1 . 8 . 10 . ) ”
    I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS UNETHICAL STEP OF DASARATHA IN DETAIL . BUT THIS IS A BEFITTING REPLY TO THOSE MANUWADIS WHO TRIED THEIR BEST TO ESTABLISH ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR AS HARAMZADA IN VAIN .THIS CONFIRMS THAT RAM AND HIS STEP BROTHERS ARE NOT SONS OF DASARATHA !!!!! ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER`S SON WHO MADE PREGNANT RAM`S MOTHER AND STEP-MOTHERS .THE SARITA FORTNIGHTLY , DELHI ALSO PUBLISHED BABU JAGJIVAN RAM`S ( DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA ) INTERVIEW IN 1980 AD IN WHICH HE HIGHLIGHTED THIS UNETHICAL BIRTHS OF RAM AND HIS STEP-BROTHERS !!!!! I WILL DISCUS IT LATER ON .

  122. C .L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ PAGE NO. 210-11 OF THE ABOVE CITED BOOK .THANKS .

  123. happyhindu-hh said

    DASARATHA BROUGHT THE SAGE TO AYODHYA TO PRESIDE OVER HIS ASHAVMEDHA SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET SONS ( 1 . 8 . 10 . ) ”
    I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS UNETHICAL STEP OF DASARATHA IN DETAIL . BUT THIS IS A BEFITTING REPLY TO THOSE MANUWADIS WHO TRIED THEIR BEST TO ESTABLISH ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR AS HARAMZADA IN VAIN .THIS CONFIRMS THAT RAM AND HIS STEP BROTHERS ARE NOT SONS OF DASARATHA !!!!! ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER`S SON WHO MADE PREGNANT RAM`S MOTHER AND STEP-MOTHERS .THE SARITA FORTNIGHTLY , DELHI ALSO PUBLISHED BABU JAGJIVAN RAM`S ( DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA ) INTERVIEW IN 1980 AD IN WHICH HE HIGHLIGHTED THIS UNETHICAL BIRTHS OF RAM AND HIS STEP-BROTHERS !!!!! I WILL DISCUS IT LATER ON .
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    Mr.Hater,

    1) For every book you recommend, we can recommend to you a double number of books with opposite content in it. It depends on which type of books you want to follow.

    2) By defaming the gods, you cannot remove hinduism. Can you remove upanishads, the 6 darshanas, counter various philosophies..etc?

    3) Only you are calling Kabir as haramzada. Not a single hindu has called him anything like that. He was a kriya yogi and hindus rever him.

    4) You are a jobless politician. Touring and tearing the country apart is what you do for a living. You are an anti-national and for inciting communal discord, you have to be dealt by the law.

  124. C .L . CHUMBER said

    RAM , LAXMAN , BHARAT AND SHATRUGHAN WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER SHANTA` S HUSBAND ( JIJA JI ? ) RISHI SHARANGA !!!!!

    THIS IS WRITTEN BY ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI THAT RAM WAS NOT SON OF DASRATH !!!!! I AM NOT HATER ! IF A DOCTOR DIAGONIZE A PERSON AND TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE A PATIENT OF THIRD STAGE CANCER OR HIV POSITIVE , THEN THE PATIENT THANKS THE DOCTOR NOT GET ANGER .HIS REQUESTS THE DOCTOR TO TREAT HIM VERY WELL .
    PLEASE BE PATIENT . YOU PEOPLE CALLED ME RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST AND MANY MORE ABUSES . YOU HINDU BRAHMAN PEOPLE WROTE THAT ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR WAS A SON OF A WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY .PLEASE TELL US THE ADDRESSES OF THAT LADY`S PARENTS AND IN-LAWS . WHAT WAS THE NAME OF HIS DECEASED HUSBAND ? WHO MADE PREGNANT THAT POOR WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY ? WAS THAT WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY CHARACTERLESS / PROSITUTE ?
    WE FIND THE ACTUAL FATHER OF AYODYA`S KING RAMA AND HIS STEP BROTHERS IN VALMIKI RAMAYNA ! IF THIS IS NOT TRUE IN THE BOOK OF MR. YARDI , THEN I WILL WITH MR. HAPPY HINDU TO FILE A CASE AGAINST HIM AND ALSO TO STOP GRANTS OF THE BHANDARKAR ORIENTAL INSTITUTE , PUNE FROM THE UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION AND THE MAHARASHTRA GOVT.
    THE BHANDARKAR INSTITUTE IS WORLD FAMOUS FOR HIS MERITORIUS RESEARCH WORK ! THEY PUBLISHED THE WORLD FAMOUS ” CRITICAL EDITION OF THE MAHABHARTA ” .

  125. C .L . CHUMBER said

    MR.HAPPY HINDU ! I AM NOT JOBLESS . MY JOB IS TO DYNAMITE THAT THINKING WHICH INVENTED , NOURISHED AND STILL PERSERVING THE FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM .THIS THINKING GLORIFY , DEFEND AND EVEN WORSHIP BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THIS FILTHY SYSTEM .
    MY FIVE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE ON DECENT JOBS .I NEVER BEGGED FOR MONEY FROM MY ADMIRERS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY POOR . I HELPED 12 STUDENTS ( ONE BRAHMAN , 5 OBCs AND 6 SCs OF DIFFERENT CASTES ) TO GET ADDMISSION ON MERIT BASIS IN 3 YEARS ONLY WHERE MY LABOURIOUS WIFE IS A TEACHER . I TOUR THE COUNTRY BECAUSE I LOVE MY COUNTRY !!!!! MY UNCLE , BROTHERS , COUSINS ,SISTERS , BROTHERS-IN-LAW AND SISTERS-IN-LAW RESIDE IN FOREIGN COUNTRY BUT I MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN PREFER OUR COUNTRY !!!!! I AM SUCH A LOVER OF MY COUNTRY . I DO NOT DRINK AND SMOKE . I HAVE SIMPLEST LIVING AND HIGHEST ACTIONAL THINKING !!!!!

  126. C .L . CHUMBER said

    IN JAWAHAR NAVODYA VIDAYALYA WHERE BOARDING AND LOADGING IS FREE BY THE CENTRAL GOVT.THESE SCHOOLS 6-12 CLASSES ARE EVERY WHERE ONE IN EACH DISTT.OF INDIA .

  127. mesquiteice said

    HH,

    please let me know what are the types of yoga and what is kriya yoga?

    As far as I know YOG is the nature of connection with the Paramatma. I suppose you can connect up with dedication to “work” which is called KARMA YOGA. or by dedication to all other living beings called BHAKTI YOGA

    But really dont have any idea about the others.

  128. Var.. said

    I dun care…
    I believe brahmins just created everything by themselves..
    ya brahmins r great they said..
    my foot..
    n our dravidians that time just let this happen…so shameful..

  129. Karthikeyan said

    Hi Happy Hindu
    King Dashratha did Puthra Kameshti yagnya in order to get children. I don’t know which sage perfomed it, may be it was Shringi Muni as suggested by Chumber Ji. Agni appeared in the yagna kunda with a mango (or mangoes, i’m not sure) and advised Dashratha’s queens to eat them. Hence the Princes of Ayodhya were born. The Sons of the mighty Surya Vamsha.

    I don’t know how to call the idea behind twisting this story as “making pregnant by somebody else”. How cheap this is. I’m confidant that Chumber Ji knows the above said original version (given his incredible knowledge). But he isn’t keen discussing it. How troublesome this is…

  130. shem-happy-hindu-hh said

    Mesquiteice,

    Kriya yog is a loose term used for kundalini awakening form of yoga as practiced by the siddhars – it is considered diff from other forms of yoga. Patanjali did describe kundalini yoga – is also belived that all forms of yoga are done to increase body strength with the final aim of preparing to withstand the stage of samadhi. But there are some who beleive kundalini awakening methods can be practiced without other physical forms of yoga (as asanas) and insist on the jnana marga instead.

    There are also 2 camps – one beleives celibacy is a must and another beleives celibacy is not a must. Actually celibacy is not a must since siddhas / sages did procreate (albeit only for specifically bringing forth a child) and did not loose their siddhis. Siddhis can bcome dormant or even lost but can be re-awakened depending on practice.

    Generally once a person starts the sadhana, it is very rare to get him to be interested in anything at all – the transcendent state of mind is addictive. Obviously it is not possible when living a mainstream life. At the same time if a person is a beginner, then starting the practice or getting back to the sadhana is very rigrous and streneous.

    Patanjali also said that the easiest way to awaken the kundalini is thru BHAKTI. Hence, bhakti or ardent faith resulting in complete surrender goes hand in hand with the actual sadhana; and is the way to it. Without faith, there is no use for anything in life.

    Also there is another fallacy that kundalini pratice is mainly a Shaiva practice. In this form of yoga, there is no Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktaism, etc – all are same.

    My guru had explained that the 3 horizontal lines on a Shaiva’s forehead represent the 3 and 1/2 coils of the serpentine energy in muladhara. The 1/2 coil is behind and therefore only 3 stripes are seen or shown in the front.

    The 3 vertical lines on a Vaishnava’s forehead represent the idagala, pingala and sushumna. While bhumadevi is idagala, the earth energy, shridevi is pingala, the fire energy. Ida is considered feminine and is akin to the id or ego sense as espoused by Freud. Without Ida, one cannot understand Pingala. Therefore ego is necessary, but in the intelligent form. In mainstream life we tend to live in our unintelligent-ego form. Pingala is intellect but not intelligence. When both idagala and pingala are in balance, intelligence is awakened.

    Shiva taught this knowledge and became one with it. He holds the trishul signifying the 3 nadis – ida, pingala, sushumna – the knowledge of which destroys every evil within us (we do believe that all Gods are within us).

    Narayana on the other hand does not hold the trishul but in His deified icon form points at the source of all surrender and bliss – His feet. Which is why Vaishnavas belive that they are wearing Shripadam as the namam. Surrender to Narayana (or at one’s own altar of ego) is indeed the easiest way to awaken the sleeping serpentine energy within us.

  131. shem-happy-hindu-hh said

    Karthikeyan,

    The prob is we tend to judge based on our sensibilities in the present time. In those days, niyoga was not wrong. But this does not apply to Rama.

    Just like Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna and Rama were also born of non-coitus birth. Which is why they are known for what they are known – as superhumans or divine. It is very difficult to explain these things to political people – they do not want to understand it because it means nothing to make politics out of.

    Mesquiteice,
    Small correction –
    Please read as:
    Which is why Vaishnavas belive that they are wearing Vishnu padam as the namam.

    PS: Also, i do not find this info anywhere (neither books nor online). Am expressing whatever my guru had said. So i have no means of authenticating anything or providing any references.

  132. shem-happy-hindu-hh said

    Mesquiteice,

    i forgot to add Laya yoga and that based on single syllables sounds or swaras…there are a few more forms of Kundalini yoga. Various teachers explain these things in ways that might subtly differ from one another. There is no single method for all…instead diff ways or sadhanas are recommened to suit diff people. Some might insist on some pranayamas alone. But yama, niyama is compulsory to all forms of yoga. Unfortunately with incorrect practice, the results can be very wrong. Hence, finding the right guru is very important. Many ppl ask what is surrender, how to surrender, etc. The book Ever Present Flower by Osho is an excellent book in that regard.

    Regards.

  133. mesquiteice said

    HH,

    Thanks for your explanation. Is this kundalini yoga captured in the Gita?

    what is karma yoga then?

  134. C .L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU ! CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ADMITTING THAT THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IS A FILTHY AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM !!!!! THEN YOU SHOULD DISCARD BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THIS FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr.happyhindu-hh said ( September 19, 2008 @ 5:59 am ) ,” Yes, you have re-invented the caste / varna filthy system. You are anti-constitution .”
    MY ANSWER IS : – Mr.Happy Hindu admitted that the caste / varna system is a filthy system !!!!! He directly or indirectly also admitted that this system is anti-constitutional !!!!!
    ” Yeh din balatkarion , jatiwadion aur zalimon bure bhagwanon ke khilaf ladaai ke etihaas men mahattavpuran din hoga . ( THIS DAY WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT DAY IN THE HISTORY OF WAR AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS .) MR.HAPPY HINDU IS IN REAL SPIRIT MY FAST FRIEND IN WAR AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS WHEN ALREADY SAID ,” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .” EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT I AM BEING ABUSED BECAUSE I HAVE ESTABLISHED BRAHMA , VISHANU AND HIS INCARNATIONS AS RAPIST , RACIST OR FASCIST .
    THIS IS A VICTORY OF ALL OF US WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS E-DIALOGUE THROUGH ENOUGH KIND ADMINISTRATORS OF THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com I especially thank M/s Karthikeyan and Happy Hindu who actively participated in the e-dialogue.

  135. Shantanu Chatterjee said

    If we the aryan brahmins were so cruel to the dalits why are there something like 10 times more dalits than brahmins?

    get over it before the industrial revolution and universal education only 10% of the population on the entire planet lived comfortably the rest lived in abject penury and people even in the west took to their father’s profession thus you still have surnames like smith,carpenter,schmidt etc even today.similarly as India progresses the caste system will become redundant as it has in most of the big cities.

  136. happy-hindu-hh-shem said

    mesquiteice,

    imho yes, most kundalini sadhakas believe Krishna did explain this form of yoga in the Gita. Krishna also taught Karma yoga – to do one’s duty to the best of ability and leave the results to God. Krishna in those times taught us the art of balancing the material and spiritual side of our nature. The spiritual side of our nature can be practiced in moderation until one feels one’s responsibilites have been completed, and then take it on in full scale post vanaprastha. However, diff ppl explain these things in diff ways.

    Generally speaking, when does surrender to God truly, he automatically is in love with all of creation, including all sentinent beings, resulting in bhakti or devotion for everything around him.

    Krishna was supposedly 32 when he told the Gita to Arjuna who was also around the same age, but Krishna said something to the effect of “i remember all my previous births, why u don’t partha”….its easy to go to a hypnosis centre for a few sessions of past life regressions…but that method is not considered good by kundalini sadhakas…the regressions they say will happen on their own and that’s when ‘karma’ is dissolved and a “new birth” happens (dvija)….Regards.

  137. happy-hindu-shem-hh said

    posting again

    mesquiteice,

    imho yes, most kundalini sadhakas believe Krishna did explain this form of yoga in the Gita. Krishna also taught Karma yoga – to do one’s duty to the best of ability and leave the results to God. Krishna in those times taught us the art of balancing the material and spiritual side of our nature. The spiritual side of our nature can be practiced in moderation until one feels one’s responsibilites have been completed, and then take it on in full scale post vanaprastha. However, diff ppl explain these things in diff ways.

    Generally speaking, when does surrender to God truly, he automatically is in love with all of creation, including all sentinent beings, resulting in bhakti or devotion for everything around him.

    Krishna was supposedly 32 when he told the Gita to Arjuna who was also around the same age, but Krishna said something to the effect of “i remember all my previous births, why u don’t partha”….its easy to go to a hypnosis centre for a few sessions of past life regressions…but that method is not considered good by kundalini sadhakas…the regressions they say will happen on their own and that’s when karma is dissolved and a “new birth” happens (dvija)….Regards.

  138. Castes, including the socalled ‘Dalit’ group of them, are NOT a conception of the Vedas. They are numerous and may have been a carryover from ancient tribal customs. The Vedas only expound the eternally valid Chatur-varna system. The castes may be grouped under the Varnas, but not yet conforming to the principles of the Varna system whose concept is not based on birth. This Vedic truth that the collective good and the individual optimal benefit, are to be secured if one chooses a path of living [almost universally described wrongly as occupation] which is in tune with his natural inclination and whatever training he obtains for this from a qualified person. Thus anyone who has a spiritual bent of mind which deters him from joining the army of those pursuing commercial-industrial materialistic interests – becomes a Brahmin after of course undergoing the necessary discipline [Samskaara] and practising it all through his life. The Vaishya is not borne in a fixed hereditary lineage, since a person borne to say even a Kshatriya may not be naturally inclined to pursue a militaristic or policing career involving use of force and muscular strength, and if he consults his inner self and determines his best inclination is, he is likely to find his true choice which is in tune with his own innet bent of character. That said, the innumerable castes of today can be grouped in just four groups. According to the Vedic wisdom, a potter can very well give birth to a highly spiritual type of an offspring, who, after following due discipline, can become a Brahmin. The Varna is a matter of choice which MUST be attuned to oe’s own nature. THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, one equating the Varna of one to that of his (or her) father; and the other, not doing so, but separating the Varnas of one from that of one’s parent. What about women ? Brahmin man conforming to the definitions of the above-stated Varna principle, can marry a woman from any one the FOUR Varnas. A Kshatria may marry a woman from any of the THREE Varnas – Kshatria [military-police type], Vaishya[mercantile-industrial managing] and Sudra [manually inclined]. A Vaishya man may marry only from among the Vaishya and Sudra. The manual worker is to choose for his wife only from a woman borne to another witn a manual bent of mind. For a woman, a Brahmin woman shall not marry from among the Kshatria or Vaishya or Sudra, but only a Brahmin man; similarly, a Kshatria woman may marry from her own Varna or a Brahmin man. Similary, too, a Vaishya woman may marry a Vaishya or Kshatria or Brahmin man. And a Sudra woman can marry a man from ANY Varna. THIS KIND OF SOCIAL ORGANIZATION IS AN ASSURANCE AGAINST ARBITRARY EXCESSES WHICH TOGETHER ARE CALLED SOCIAL PROMISCUITY. It enables the building up of a NATURAL gene bank is through long periods of time, which because each person follows what is naturally he is equipped for, in terms of bent of mind or innermost inclinations, adds to the harmony and happiness of the collective whole.

    The above basis for social and economic organization is the most equitable as compared to the extractions of the same as part of Western political philosophies. This is so because no one under this system feels superior or inferior to anyone else, since he has chosen the Varna in tune with his own most natural aptitudes. There is no elemet of outside human intervention, since, as stated, each person chooses, or better, determines, his Varna with reference to himself, or rather his own innermost inclinations. THE VARNA SYSTEM, FOR THIS SYSTEM, IS GOD-DESIGNED, what else can it be called? By the way, the Brahmin caste which is the talk of politicians and social reformers, is not the one Brahmin Varna as defined in the Vedas. It is an EXTREME degeneration of the Brahmin Varna having turned into a Brahmin caste, if we may say so, which was a product of British era circumstances. The Britisher wanted an army of clerks and officers who would just translate the diktat from their British masters into files kept and orders executed so as to unquestioningly subserve the foreign ruler. The ruling Britisher merely took the mental/ intellectual powers which had been sharply developed by the Brahmins through spiritual discipline conforming to the Vedas, since the intellect always sharpens with spiritual rigour of one’s self-discipline. The Britisher let the Brahmin throw away his spirituality of never recognizing any material needs except for subsistence and always keeping the society’s good at his heart and propagating spiritual ideals such as the Varna and other Dharmas conforming to the original tenets of the Vedas. This Vedic dharma, subsequently called by the Britisher as the Hindu dharma or Hinduism, aimed at individual satisfaction and self-fulfilment with the ideals of the peace, prosperity and happiness of the society. It should be obvious to ANY UNBIASSED MIND that the Varna system, inasmuch as it does not pit any section of society against any other [look at modern Western notions: for ex. the Communist system wants labour supremacy, but without much argument, this is an untenable ideal. An intellectually-specializing section has the potential to make manual labour absolutely irrelevant, by applying all its brains to bring out devices of total automation obviating human hands to do jobs!]

    I have tried to be, and I believe I have been, as honest as I can be, to desribe, in terms understood by me through extensive study and reflection, in my attempt to describe the Vedic Chatur varna system. Mention should be made that this system also had an integral Aashrama dharma, in which each and every individual of society is required to go through stages of (i) rigorous celibacy or pursuit of the study of the inner and outer cosmos within one’s natural limitations of intellec, (ii) householdership to raise a family to produce citizens for the society while observing the tenets enjoined as for one’s Varna [the natural path chosen, Brahmin/ Kshatriya/ Vaishya/ Sudra], (iii) Vaana-prasthha [in which one remains attached to family and yet detaced enough to let the young ones pursue their paths without stunting their growth to full real potential by casting one’s shadows; and (iv) Sannyaasa, or renunciation, a stage in which, due to the living of a life of materialistic and spiritual pursuits and finally casting aside the former very fast until one reaches pure bliss of spirituality. These Aashramas, as a moment’s reflection would show, are open for adoption as a way of discipline regardless of one’s chosen path, or the Varna.

    SO, WHAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE INNUMERABLE CASTES PREVALENT TODAY IN INDIA VISAVIS THE VARNA-AASHRAMA SYSTEM AS GIVEN IN THE VEDIC WISDOM OF THE SEERS OF INDIA [RISHIS]?
    As said earlier, castes are a metamorphosis of a system of tribes coming from prehistoric days. They are NOT there in the Vedas. The other point is that, there are NO true Brahmans or Kshatriyas, or Vaishyas or Sudras. Whereas EVERY human being is borne with ALL the elements of these four inborn inclinations [spiritual, warrior, mercantile, and manual orientations of character], the proportions differ. A vague kind of quanitification can be used to clarify this last statement: One may be 10% of spiritual [thinking of social good subordinated to one’s own selfish good], some 20% warrior or muscle orientation given to fighting basically in self-defence but also getting aggressive sometimes pre-emptively; some 40% Vaishya [commercial – looking for ways of turning x of moetary worth, into x + y (y>0), and using the surplus for ploughing back for growing capital and thus employment of fellow men]; and the balanc, 30% manual [keen interest to find and execute tasks rather mechanically without involving the brains in a philosophical sense]. Now, the proportions of 10, 20, 40, and 30 per cent (of one’s inclinations) are an illustration. These can vary such that all the proportions add up to 100%. The Varna system wants one to find out which type of inclination takes the maximum proportion, and discipline oneself on the basis further, so as to realize self fulfilment in terms, material and spiritual, and individual and social.

    Thus the caste system is an unwanted aberration while talking about our social order. IT CAN BE SEEN ONLY THIS SYSTEM AS DESCRIBED IN THE VEDAS, TO CONFORM WITH ONE’S NATURE AND RIGOROUS DISCIPLINE TO NURTURE IT, CAN BE ETERNALLY AND UNIVERSALLY VALID AND WORKABLE. The Vedic system does NOT propound an artificial homogeneity in society and equality between men, both of which are undefinable. [ How can any two individuals be equal? And yet, Western thinkers wasted their intellectual prowess propounding that equality, freedom, .. and so on. Freedom, by the way for what ? Freedom comes from fearlessness, which cannot be attained
    by realizing one’ s consciousness being just an integral part of universal consciousness.]

    Our Dalit brothers are invited to study the above thoughts by going to authentic and unvarnished sources. It is not easy to find them, be warned. But that does not mean, we should fight among ourselves by giving more than real worth to what some foreign scholars and missionaries with ulterior motives have said about our natively grown wisdom through millenjnia.

  139. IMPORTANT CORRECTION: 10% of spiritual [thinking of social good being never subordinated to, but always supreme above, one’s own selfish good],

    I wrote wrongly:
    10% of spiritual [thinking of social good subordinated to one’s own selfish good],

    Sorry for any confusion caused by my error.

  140. I WISH TO CONCLUDE THE ABOVE LENGTHY ACCOUNT WITH AN ADDITIOAL OBSERVATION. The Dalits [Sanskrit, meaning, as no doubt most of us are aware: suppressed, oppressed, subjugated] are poor, ignorant, discriminated socially. Not that these attributes of poverty, ignorance and discrimination are absent in the other sections of our society. They as a whole collectively, have organized themselves to raise their conditions. Everyone of us, Dalit or non-Dalit, is an Indian, an elementary fact worth telling ourselves now and then – an Indian culturally, socially. Any attempt to drive wedges between these two artificial divisions must be abhorred by all of us. But such an attempt is very much being made, deliberately and with great cunning by sections who are NOT interested in, indeed they are incapable of, ushering them into happiness which is unimaginable with any heavy dose of hatred and animosities based on what were mostly past historical prejudices, or at best, are a fast fading, and illegal tradition. I have not attempted to say anything about the collective endeavours of Dalits as a whole, which are going on. I should like to earnestly repeat that they should not unwittingly allow themselves to be taken advantage of by malicious forces, whether among politicians or religious propagandists. I HAVE IN MY LENGTHY ‘ESSAY’ TRIED TO ONLY POINT OUT, BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS STILL FAR FROM PERFECT, THAT THE ANCIENT RELIGION OF HINDUISM DOES NOT ENCOURAGE DISCRIMINATION OF MAN AGAINST MAN SINCE THE VERY SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONFUSING AND ABSURD, EVEN IF SUPERFICIALLY APPEALIG, NOTIONS OF EQUALITY AND FREEDOM [PLease refer back to my brief statements above.]

  141. I SHOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE PARAGRAPH, that is one directly on the topic of this page:
    I have read quite a good deal about racialism in general, linguistic history of the world, particularly the Indo-European, Aryan Invasion of India, the extinguished Indus Valley Civilization [the captioned topic], and a few other topics, which may be loosely called my areas of sociological and historical interest.

    At the end of the day, I find that the above areas are a rich field for theories, each theory having some supporters as well as opponents who have counter-theories. Certaily these topics are of an intensely controversial nature. They, for one thing, relate to the past, which is the concern of historians. A historian interprets historical facts as he picks them up based on what some counterparts, current and past, said. History is not like chemistry or mathematics, which are solidly based on either observations or logic. For this reason I personally cherished since my very early days, a feeling almost verging on scorn, against history as a loose and vague subject. Pardon me, if some historians get offended by what I say, but let me clarify that is my own individual judgment. Amog historians, there is an Establishment, whose ways are very difficult to change, as regards demand for more unbiassed and objective look at facts as distinct from fiction or product of pure imagination. Be that as it may, the Establisment is ignored by non-Establishment groups, as incorrigibles who cannot even admit that the so called archaeological evidences are open to an excessive dose of interpretive gymnastics. Some historians from the Establishment said that the Aryans came from Central Asia or Eastern Europe, invaded India and destroyed certain civilizations, spread their language (the pre-classical language of the Vedic, and then the classical, ‘perfectly refined’ classical Sanskrit). I wonder whether they ever really considered seriously in the right earnest, the possibility that the Aryans, or rather some of them, “invaded” other parts of Asia or Europe, from an Indian base. For either kind of theory, do they have really unassailable evidences at all? My sampling of these theories tells me that it is absolutely shoddy research, and contrived with questionable assumptions, bases, and even axiomatic beliefs which the concerned historians will feel too chagrined to be questioned about. Some of them think that because since they are in so and so universities, they are beyond such challenges to themselves.

    Well, from the above, if you have sensed that we should not give too much importance to any ONE liguistic, cultural, racial, or other theories which are based on “evidences” which always lack that label of authenticity of observation and meaning/ interpretation. The real causes or phenomena behind certain observed events shall always remain hidden as knowable reality at any time.

    Some people say, and many others uncritically accept, for their own reasons, that white skinned people are Aryans, these white skinned are far more proportionately in North India, and therefore all North Indians are “Aryans” and all Southerners are “Dravidians”. Another part of the same theory is that Brahmins are Aryans. And yet too many of these Brahmins are brown or black, whether in the North or in the South. And what do you say about fair skinned Muslims – are Muslims in the South going to be called Dravidians because Muslims are politically sought to be clubbed with Dalits, OBCs,etc.? … Arguing this way, one is at a loss to know what are the real motives of all these divisive thinking and campaigns.

    I for one would like to take the best from any source, indigenous or foreign, science or religion, materialistic or spiritual work, …. etc. and enrich one’s knowledge and broaden one’s vision. I DO FIND MANY VEDIC TRUTHS CENTERING AROUND INDIVIDUAL AND UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS AS AMONG THE VERY ACME OF HUMAN, NOT JUST INDIAN, INTELLECTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS.

  142. shema-h said

    Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan,

    Thankyou very much for your posts.

    || I wonder whether they ever really considered seriously in the right earnest, the possibility that the Aryans, or rather some of them, “invaded” other parts of Asia or Europe, from an Indian base.||

    How true!!

    That kind of understanding might well become popular soon.

    Let me give an example:

    Migration pattern of M17 = Origin India => goes to Middle East => somewhat bypasses Turkey and goes thru Casucasus => ends in Europe !!

    And M17 is found in Kallars, Saurashtrians and Yadavas in Tamilnadu.
    M17 is an established Indo-Iranian marker and considered so-called “aryan” by some.

    At the same time M17 is considered a descendent of M173 (which is found highly in Turks).

    Perhaps a “to-and-fro” migration pattern will emerge with time.

    These kind of things might help solve probs in classifying languages too.

    Let us not be surprised if a new nostratic group turns out to be the ancestor of some proto-dravidian and proto-indo-european languages.

  143. Karthikeyan said

    Thanks MuthuKaruppan!! Also my appreciations to you. Contributions such as yours make this blog worth looking for again.

  144. Sanjam said

    chumber,, why dont you start crying now? thats the only thing left for you to do.
    at onset, you start abusing our gods and our religion and some communities,,
    and if we try to reason it out with you, you double your efforts to spew bullshit…
    even then,, most of the people who commented here, practiced patience,,, but it would deter you.
    then eventually, if i started calling you,, your father,, kanshi ram,, ambedkar as rapist, racist, fascist et al,,, then you start pissing in your pants,,, and shitting in your nappies…
    puch puch puch… tsk tsk tsk…. go chumber baby go,,, run to wipe your dirty arse!
    lol,,,lmho,,, lmgo!
    by the way, i admire Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan, for taking so much pain and sharing his wonderful thoughts on these topics. i wish there were more of Muthukaruppans among us, and we could learn a lot,,, and in a cordial manner!

  145. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!

    MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
    MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .

  146. shemahinduhappy said

    shemahinduhappy said,
    October 1, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

    MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ?
    —————-

    So you are not against poverty as the biggest job.
    You are not against corruption.
    You do not want to build a better country with better roads, good water, uninteerrupted electricity, etc.
    So, ofcourse for this “foremost’ job of yours, you must be a dumbedkar.
    Even Ambedkar would have thrown you out.

    ——
    YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
    ————

    My Gods did not rape, there was no racism and fascism during their time. You Lie and you ask us to hate.
    There is NO common man who is fed up of Gods.
    We are Fed up of Dumbedkars politicians like you.
    To save us from you people, we have to worship our Gods for protection.

    ——————————–
    MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .
    ——————-

    You do not know what is Ramarajya.
    Rama did not marry anyone ever again. This itself shows He loved Sita.
    Sita and Shambuk did not commit any crimes. There was no injustice done to them. You lie and lie because of your twisted thinking.

  147. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/beware-of-meditation/#comment-1769
    My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
    Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
    I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!

  148. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. KARTHKEYAN ! INVENTED THE ” CHUMBERWAD ” !!!!!

    MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!
    YOU NEVER CONDEMNED THE IRRATIONALITY , UNEQUALITY WHICH BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS INVENTED , PERSERVED AND GLORIFIED INDO-ARYANS` CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM . YOU EVEN ENJOYED THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE LIKE M/S HAPPY HINDU , SANJAM AND MANY MORE ! THIS CONFIRMS THE FILTHY BENT OF MIND OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
    YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL CONTINUE TILL ITS DESTINATION . THE TIME WILL TELL WHO IS TRUE WARRIOR AND WHO IS THE RAN-CHHOD IN THIS ETHICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!! SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!

    Karthikeyan said,
    September 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
    Chumber Ji,
    Now every reader knows what Chumberwadi rationality means, what Chumberwadi eqality means and what Chumberwadi parliamentary words mean.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/

  149. Paul Krist said

    “Another Brahmin under denail. Why can’t brahmins just read their own Manu Smrithi. You will know who created Divide and Rule. The british united India. Without the British there would be no such thing as India. It is the British who created the country called India. Hinduism is all about divisions – Jati and Varna.” >> I am a reconvert from Christianity to Hinduism, not yet changed my name. Originally my father (Dalit, no believer in God, religion, etc., ), due to poor financial circumstances, converted with entire family (5 in all) to Christianity with some money and many facilities for him and family. That was when I was a kid. I resented his act when becoming an adult myself, and he is no more. I have gone abroad and seen conditions there. There are far too many divisions in the name of religion, such as this Church, that Church, this sect, that sect, and so on, and smoldering hatred and aversion between individuals happening to fall ‘belong’ to them. When I compared this division with just four Varnas [I found Mr Muthukaruppan’s account very educative], I realized how our politicians in India have misused democracy and notions of social reform just to fatten thesmelves, by saying and doing excessive things against our own religion and its tenets that men are not identical. [Regarding fattening: I have seen Communists support labour unions, as vote bank. They help union leaders meet at periodical meetings. Union leaders projected by them ALWAYS collude with managements, and secure favours for their kith and kin with jobs, etc. SAME WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN INDIA NOWADAYS PRETENDING TO STAND FOR THIS CAUSE, THAT CAUSE, ETC. including political parties. The massive riches of Mr Karunanidhi and his numerous kith and kin have amassed crores of rupees worth of properties, misleading people to believe that they are championing the cause of oppressed people, backward people,etc. It is amazing that these people come back to power again and again! It means people can be easily fooled in this country with rhetoric, and trivial allurements with color TV etc. ] I have not seen anywhere the horror of caste inequalities these days except due to people’s differences as lethargic/ diligent, . Manu Smriti [which I don’t think even Brahmins read at least in the original] can be interpreted or misinterpreted just as Quran or Bible, and the different groups can go on fighting. The talk of Brahmin oppression of “lower castes”, historically became prominent when Hitler, misguided by some of his own pseudo scholar friends, began to call Germans as Aryans, the master race, and that this race had invented Sanskrit which was corrupted through intermixing of peoples like Gypsies, Mongols,etc. During the same period, in India, E. Vay. Ramasami, styled Periyar, and Babasaheb Ambedkar found this bizarre theme very exciting to exploit in their misguided enthusiasm to make social reforms in a highly impoverished country under the British rule which would later be thrown out by a ‘Vaishya’ Gandhi who used the Hindu God Ram’s name to unite as under Ram Rajya. Periyars, Ambedkars, and so many people, either due to genuine desire to reform society and uplift the economy, or just to get fame even by using controversial theories of Racialism, Casteism, etc., began to start movements and campaigns. These campaigns’ contributions to Independent India’s ongoing historic attempts to root out poverty, provide universal education, and ensure equal opportunity for minimum means for all, have been negative. It used to be said that India’s population and its unchecked growth are great impediments in achieving the aims fast. But what about China ? It has a poplation only slightly larger than India. But, unlike India, despite its divisions as Taoist, Confucian, Buddhist, Muslim, and racial differences, it has been able to move very fast, so much so it can offer rivalry to the Americans. It is no longer Communist, as it invites capitalism most liberally from all over the world to invest in China. The Communist rule has done one great thing for the people, which Indian democracy has utterly failed to do: unite them for a common cause to produce more so that the share of each will be maximised. In India the numerous casteist parties, religious cacophony especially from the missioaries exploiting poverty, and other divisive forces are perpetually acting as a great impediment to progress. We should stop talking casteism since this has been banned by law and opportunities are equally available for uplift for all. If people cultivate self-discipline and focus only on hard work, they will be able to throw out the evil negative forces of selfishness disguised in the form of movements and political parties with partisan goals.

  150. Paul Krist said

    I add: Hitler committed history’s worst genocide of Jews, killing about 5 million (five followed by six zeroes, fifty lakh in our number system). He made a scapegoat of this small minority, mostly conservative in their ways, calculative in money, but highly contemplative as a religion. He accused them as having polluted Germany, exploited it with its financial frauds, and so on. But Jews could not be totally eliminated in the end. Even today 80 to 90 per cent of all science and technology is based on their knowledge, theories in science. They account for the largest number of financial wizards in the West, whose advice and experise are utilized by companies. The question is, are you guys going to say they duped the rest of the people, kept all the other people inferior and exploited, and prevented them growing ? Any such theory will not just be ridiculed, their exponents will be spit at. … I do not want to make this too lengthy. But I want to point out that discipline and hardwork only can elevate individuals and societies, communities. The more you carry on negative campaigns in the name of fighting injustice, the less the incentive for the target groups of people to think of hard work and discipline. Even the Varna system is said to be based on self discipline and not birth.

  151. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I HAD ALREADY WROTE THAT THE VAIDIK INDO-ARYANS WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST GODS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES IN OCTOBER ,2008 AND IN NOVEMBER , 2008 THEY WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS TO DISCARD EVIL GODS !!!!!

    shemahinduhappy said,
    October 2, 2008 @ 1:00 pm

    1) DALITS HAVE DISCARDED CHUMBER
    Some of my extended acquaintances have spoken to scheduled-whatever people in Bangalore. The ‘dalits’ there are hindu and THEY HAVE AGREED TO DISCARD AND DENOUNCE CHUMBER IN COURT.

    2) CHUMBER HATES AMBEDKAR AND MAYAWATI
    I can prove this in court. Why is Chumber NOT filing a case against me?

    3) CHUMBER IS MAD AND URGENTLY REQUIRES HOSPITALIZATION IN A MENTAL ASYLUM
    Chumber is a Liar, Manipulator, a Malicious Cheat, a moron, narcissist and Misquotes people repeatedly. So, he diplays all qualities of a Mad Man. For barking in caps all the time, he requires urgent hospitalization because his mental balance is already loose on caps.

    4) CHUMBER LOVES POVERTY AND WANTS POOR PEOPLE TO REMAIN POOR ALWAYS
    Chumber has admitted that his top priority is NOT eradication of poverty. He wants people to remain poor and keep begging for reservations so that they will keep voting for him. I can prove this also in court.

    5) CHUMBER IS AN UNTOUCHABLE
    Dalits are NOT untouchables. Dalits are hindus. Dalits have discarded Chumber. Chumber is a liar and a mad-man who manipulates people. He is therefore an untouchable politician.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/the-eleven-brahmins-and-eleven-million-fools/#comment-1965

  152. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU ADMITTED THAT ” SITA AND SHAMBUK DID NOT COMMIT ANY CRIMES .”
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/#comment-1991
    MY QUESTIONS ARE : – THEN WHY DID KING RAMA ORDER TO BANISH PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA ? ? ? ? ? THEN WHY DID HE KILL PIOUS AND INNOCENT SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK ? ? ? ? ? .

  153. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES WILL ANNIHILATE THE MANUWADI CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE MANUWADI SOCIO-RELIGIOUS POLITICS FOR EVER !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr. Mesquiteice said ( October 1, 2008 @ 12:14 pm ) ,” Chumber,You said “NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN ”
    Then why are you trying to opress women by telling that they cannot marry whom they like. You have no right to force a woman to marry a Dalit and talk like this.
    MY VIEWS ; – I NEVER SAID SO THAT WOMEN CAN NOT MARRY WHOM THEY LIKE . I HAVE NEVER TALKED OF FORCE MARRIAGES . HAVE YOU ANY PROOF ? I AM FIGHTING FOR THE WOMEN RIGHTS THAT IS WHY I DO NOT SPARE EVEN THE RAPIST GODS AND YOU PEOPLE DEFEND , WORSHIP AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS . YOU PEOPLE EVEN ABUSE ME . WHY ? THE ABUSING IS NOT THE SOLUTION OF OUR PROBLEMS . I DO NOT LIKE ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE .I HATE THIS ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE BUT I REGARD YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE E-DIALOGUE .ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL also HATE YOUR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
    ( 2 ) MARRIAGE IS NOT POLITICS. THERE IS NOTHING CALLED INTER CASTE MARRIAGE .ANYBODY CAN MARRY ANYBODY WHOM THEY LOVE .
    MY ANSWER IS :- The prince Rama and his step brothers were married to King Janak`s daughters . Is this was not politics to strenghthen the relations between two dynasties .The Rajput kings`s daughters were married to Mughal Kings for Politics . Are the marriages within same castes /varnas not politially motivated to strengthen their own caste / varna ? Your oposing intercaste / intervarna marriages is not manuwadi politics to divide the people on caste / varna basis ????? The intercaste / intervarna marriages will annihilate the manuwadi caste / varna as well as the manuwadi socio-religious politics FOR EVER !!!!!
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/reservations-for-everyone/#comment-2026

  154. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE MANUWADI SOCIO-RELIGIOUS POLITICS AS WELL AS THE MANUWADI CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM WILL BE ANNIHILATED BY THE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES FOR EVER !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr. Mesquiteice said ( October 1, 2008 @ 12:14 pm ) ,” Chumber,You said “NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN ”
    Then why are you trying to opress women by telling that they cannot marry whom they like. You have no right to force a woman to marry a Dalit and talk like this.
    MY VIEWS ; – I NEVER SAID SO THAT WOMEN CAN NOT MARRY WHOM THEY LIKE . I HAVE NEVER TALKED OF FORCE MARRIAGES . HAVE YOU ANY PROOF ? I AM FIGHTING FOR THE WOMEN RIGHTS THAT IS WHY I DO NOT SPARE EVEN THE RAPIST GODS AND YOU PEOPLE DEFEND , WORSHIP AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS . YOU PEOPLE EVEN ABUSE ME . WHY ? THE ABUSING IS NOT THE SOLUTION OF OUR PROBLEMS . I DO NOT LIKE ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE .I HATE THIS ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE BUT I REGARD YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE E-DIALOGUE .ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL also HATE YOUR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
    ( 2 ) MARRIAGE IS NOT POLITICS. THERE IS NOTHING CALLED INTER CASTE MARRIAGE .ANYBODY CAN MARRY ANYBODY WHOM THEY LOVE .
    MY ANSWER IS :- The prince Rama and his step brothers were married to King Janak`s daughters . Is this was not politics to strenghthen the relations between two dynasties .The Rajput kings`s daughters were married to Mughal Kings for Politics . Are the marriages within same castes /varnas not politially motivated to strengthen their own caste / varna ? Your oposing intercaste / intervarna marriages is not manuwadi politics to divide the people on caste / varna basis ????? The intercaste / intervarna marriages will annihilate the manuwadi caste / varna as well as the manuwadi socio-religious politics FOR EVER !!!!!
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/reservations-for-everyone/#comment-2026

  155. C . L . CHUMBER said

    ” HURRAH ! MR. KARTHIKEYAN HAS CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
    Dear viewers,
    You had been abusing Chumber Ji badly, no matter he deserved or not. Now he has improved his style. Request you all to post your appreciations if any for him.

    I know viewers, I’m putting myself in the risk that Chumber Ji might comment in multiple posts with this title:
    HURRAH ! MR. KARTHIKEYAN HAS CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
    and linking to this reply. Hope you will not be carried away by this usual Chumberwadi tactic.” BY MR. KARTHIKEYAN .
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/

  156. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE WORSHIPERS OF INDO-ARYAN RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS RAPE , KIDNAP , MURDER THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Dr. Known said ( September 30, 2008 @ 7:44 am ) ,” Govt must freely give Handguns to all Dalits and Tribals for their self-defense.
    Every 18 minutes:

    A crime is committed against Dalit

    Every day:

    * 3 Dalit women are raped
    * 2 Dalits are murdered & 2 Dalits Houses are burnt
    * 11 Dalits are beaten

    Every week:

    * 13 Dalits are murdered
    * 5 Dalits home or possessions are burnt
    * 6 Dalits are kidnapped or abducted

    http://samatha.in/2008/08/26/being-a-dalit-in-india-facts-and-figures/
    http://digg.com/world_news/Supreme_Court_s_Handgun_Ruling_Spreads
    MY VIEWS : – THE ATROCITIES ON THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ARE OMNIPRESENT IN THE HINDU WORLD . EVEN THE INDO-ARYANS BEHAVE IN MANUWADI SENSE WITH OUR SOCIETY IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES ALSO !!!!! THEY FOLLOW THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS . WE MUST BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THESE EVIL GODS SO THAT THIS EVIL MENTALITY MAY BE ERADICATED !!!!!
    ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE OF MY CITY BURNT THE EFFIGIES OF BRAHMA , VISHANU AND RAMA PUBLICALLY . THE NEWS PAPERS FLASHED IT ON FRONT PAGES . THE POLICE CORNERED SOME PEOPLE WHO BURNT THE EFFIGIES .I SUBMITTED SOME HINDU SCRIPTURES TO ESTABLISH THAT THEY PEOPLE BURNT THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS . THE WISE BRAHMANS FELT SORRY AND THE POLICE DID NOT TOOK ANY ACTION .
    I APPRECIATE DR. KNOWN FOR HIS VIEWS EXPRESSED . I REQUEST HIM / HER TO PARTICIPATE WHOLE HEARTEDLY SO THAT WE MAY BE BENEFITED FROM HIS VIEWS .
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-2028

  157. Karthikeyan said

    Chumber Ji,
    Janaka invited all kings from all of the worlds for his daughter Sita’s swayamvara. To that matter, even Indra and Ravana participated in the swayamvara. Rama got Sita’s hands because only he could win in the competition of assembling the Shiv Dhanush. All others failed.

  158. hindushemhappy said

    I HAD ALREADY WROTE THAT THE VAIDIK INDO-ARYANS WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST GODS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES IN OCTOBER ,2008 AND IN NOVEMBER , 2008 THEY WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS TO DISCARD EVIL GODS !!!!!
    —————-

    Chumber,

    You actually think people will waste some cheap kerosene on burning your effigy ? you seem to suffer from megalomania of disproprtionate proportions……we are replying to your dumedkar rants not for you but because other people reading this should not get carried away by your lies

    The person writing these articles on dalitnation is also a malicious cowardly sub-human as you are…he won’t tell us his contact details and his name…you chumber dumbedkar will ask everybody’s legal name here. First you ask dalitnation to publish their legal name and address.

  159. C . L . CHUMBER said

    FIRST OF ALL , YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR ACTUAL CASTE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED TO BELONG DIFFERENT CASTES !!!!! SECONDLY YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR LEGAL AND ALL FICTITIOUS NAMES . THIRDLY PLEASE WRITE YOUR COMPLETE APPROACHABLE ADRESS AND EMAILS !!!!!
    YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?

  160. mesquiteice said

    chumber,

    You claim to be agains varna/caste system.

    Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.

    No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”

    Jai hind

  161. dakrishnasi said

    FIRST OF ALL , YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR ACTUAL CASTE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED TO BELONG DIFFERENT CASTES !!!!! SECONDLY YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR LEGAL AND ALL FICTITIOUS NAMES . THIRDLY PLEASE WRITE YOUR COMPLETE APPROACHABLE ADRESS AND EMAILS !!!!!
    YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?
    ——————————

    Mr.Dumbedkar,

    It is true i belong to different “castes”. Grandparents from mother’s side were given away in marriage to Tamil speaking people (arranged marriages). Strangely, none marry from Andhra, though they claimed descendency from a particular telugu nayak of yore from Srirangam-Trichy areas. So we became a mix of tamil and telugu people. My father’s (paternal) grandmum was Kannada speaking (again a carefully selected arranged marriage in those times). I do not know where i fit in – i am really casteless. And i am happy about that.

    You say:
    YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?
    —-
    You are an absolute liar. I had mentioned only once that I am not an Indian citizen and I do not stay in India. I had mentioned that once I get an Overseas Indian Citizen status, I will inform you. I never promised you “several times” to send an evil man like you any of my contact details.

    ————

    It is very easy to prove you as a mad man in court. But you are not our objective. We want to know who are the people behind dalitnation.

    Why are the dalitnation so much pro-muslim? That is why I want YOU to file a case against me. Automatically, the police has to trace the email address of this blog owner; and find out who is this person writing these articles – is he linked to Kancha / Rajshekhar? Are he and his group truly dalit people ? Or are they simi-sponsored muslim students?

    So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.
    ———
    After i post, the message repetedly comes “discarded”. I have the need to post under different names. You ask your dalitnation why they are blocking my postings, then i will write only under one name.

  162. krhindsheiemshnadu said

    chumber,

    You claim to be agains varna/caste system.

    Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.

    No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”

    Jai hind
    —————–

    Mesquiteice,

    Am not sure if the likes of Chumber understands there is only a ‘single caste’ called INDIAN. If they understand, then they have nothing left to make politics out of. Hence, wrote in terms that he understands. Also, he very likely is the kind that understands accusative strong-arm behaviour rather than anything else.

    The likes of Chumber might not realize that there is nothing called perfection in any religion, or for that matter in anything within and without, either. Perfection, perhaps is just a state of mind when one feels happiness for no reason.

    The likes of Chumber also need to understand that their sick versions of stories of gods might do their cause more harm than good. There cud be ppl like me who did not exactly grow up praying to gods, with an inclination towards a kind of yoga rather than any external worship, but who ended up doing a turn around of sorts when they were asked to beleive that their gods were evil beings.

    The likes of Chumber will hopfully realize that insulting hindu sentiments by churning out stories that do not conform to present-day sensibilites, is not the way to oneness.

    In the present era of liberalization there is no room for caste – it will be gone anyways, since it was never meant to exist in the first place; neither did it ever exist in ‘reality’. But only politicians want it to stay – what for? Can we not be happy just being INDIAN ?

  163. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE VAIDIK HINDUS SPEAK THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!

    dakrishnasi said,
    October 8, 2008 @ 10:20 am

    So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.

  164. SanJam said

    and mr chumber, you and your pets can bark for the rest of your lives,,,,
    PRIVATE SECTOR,,, IT SECTOR,,, OR ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES MERIT AND IS NOT CONTROLLED BY GOVT,,, WILL NEVER EVER BE BROUGHT UNDER QUOTA!
    RESERVATIONS IN PRIVATE SECTOR MEAN THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO PEE IN EVERY FUCKIN SOURCE OF PURE WATER THAT WE HAVE?
    SORRY CHUMBER,,,, THIS AINT GONNA HAPPEN,,, FOR ONCE,,, JUST SETTLE WITH THE IDEA OF WORKING HARD,, LEARNING SMART,,, AND EARN YOUR LIVING,,, WITHOUT TRYING TO BARK AT OTHERS OR SNATCH IT FROM DESERVING PEOPLE….
    I KNOW DALITS IN IT INDUSTRY,,, THEY LEARNED,, THEY WORKED,,, THEY CLIMBED UP IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR….
    THATS HOW IT WILL WORK,,, AND THATS HOW ONE SHOULD TOIL TO EARN A LIVING.
    DID YOUR BLOODY AMBEDKAR TELL YOU TO BEG FOR EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS?
    i dont expect a logical answer from chumber or his pets,,, coz his standard reply would be:
    “followers of rapist, racist, fascist gods control the IT industry,,, brahmins will never allow dalits to join private sector,,,,etc etc etc etc…”

    oh chumber,,, you are so predictable! shshshsshshshh……

  165. SanJam said

    As it is typical to chumber’s ways, comments of a sane guy called paul krist have been comfortably ignored!

    chumber,,, you are a sour loser!

    paul, no need to get your hands dirty by typing at this dog-shit blog….

  166. C . L . CHUMBER said

    IF YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE HAVE NO CASTE THEN WHY YOU OPPOSE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES AND ABUSE ME ? ? ? ? ?

    mesquiteice said,

    October 8, 2008 @ 6:11 am

    chumber,

    You claim to be agains varna/caste system.

    Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.

    No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”

    Jai hind

  167. C . L . CHUMBER said

    YOU MAY FILE A COMPLAINT TO POLICE AGAINST ANYBODY TO WHOM YOU HAVE COMPLAINT . YOU NEED NOT TO ABUSE ANYBODY FOR THIS !!!!!

    dakrishnasi said,
    October 8, 2008 @ 10:20 am

    Why are the dalitnation so much pro-muslim? That is why I want YOU to file a case against me. Automatically, the police has to trace the email address of this blog owner; and find out who is this person writing these articles – is he linked to Kancha / Rajshekhar? Are he and his group truly dalit people ? Or are they simi-sponsored muslim students?

    So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.

  168. dakrishsina said

    krhindsheiemshnadu said,
    October 11, 2008 @ 7:10 am
    chumber,
    You claim to be agains varna/caste system.
    Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.
    No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”
    Jai hind
    —————–

    Mesquiteice,

    Am not sure if the likes of Chumber understands there is only a ‘single caste’ called INDIAN. If they understand, then they have nothing left to make politics out of. Hence, wrote in terms that he understands. Also, he very likely is the kind that understands accusative strong-arm behaviour rather than anything else.

    The likes of Chumber might not realize that there is nothing called perfection in any religion, or for that matter in anything within and without, either. Perfection, perhaps is just a state of mind when one feels happiness for no reason.

    The likes of Chumber also need to understand that their sick versions of stories of gods might do their cause more harm than good. There cud be ppl like me who did not exactly grow up praying to gods, with an inclination towards a kind of yoga rather than any external worship, but who ended up doing a turn around of sorts when they were asked to beleive that their gods were evil beings.

    The likes of Chumber will hopfully realize that insulting hindu sentiments by churning out stories that do not conform to present-day sensibilites, is not the way to oneness.

    In the present era of liberalization there is no room for caste – it will be gone anyways, since it was never meant to exist in the first place; neither did it ever exist in ‘reality’. But only politicians want it to stay – what for? Can we not be happy just being INDIAN ?

  169. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU FINALLY ADMITTED ,” OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST ” !!!!!
    THEN BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ( WHO WERE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS PER SCRIPTURES OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS ) ARE NOT THE GODS OF MODERN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS !!!!! NOW M/S. HAPPY HINDUS WILL DISCOVER OR INVENT THEIR NEW GODS . I HOPE THEIR NEW INVENTED / DISCOVERED GODS WILL BE DEADLY AGAINST THE RAPE AND CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    shhhapinendupy said,
    October 10, 2008 @ 2:58 am

    MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
    ————–

    Mr.Dumbedkar,

    Post was to Mesquiteice. But i am writing in between. Want to tell you that you are a liar. OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST . It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this: It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this:
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/brahmin-heads-citigroup/#comment-2364

  170. mesquiteice said

    dakrishsina,

    You said “But only politicians want it to stay – what for? ”

    Because they cannot control happy and contended people. They will have no work. No power ( consequntly no loot booty)

    They want the child to remain hungry, so that they can feed them. Even if the child in not hungr, they will make it cry and create a story that it is hungry and feed milk.

    I do not know about chumber. May be he is one of those chaps who have got caught between ideologies of various people (without an ideology of his own). That up to him.

    But in any event, what we should not do is that allow him to feel that what he is doing is right? His statements abusing others religion/ beliefs and degrading the respect of the judiciary etc, even if done innocently, cannot be allowed to be established as correct. We dont care about one rotten apple.

    We are worried about the one rotten apple spoiling other apples.

    Jai Hind

  171. hindushemhappy said

    YOU MAY FILE A COMPLAINT TO POLICE AGAINST ANYBODY TO WHOM YOU HAVE COMPLAINT . YOU NEED NOT TO ABUSE ANYBODY FOR THIS !!!!!
    ———————–

    Chumber,

    yes i realized that late.

    i relaized that you full of hot air like a balloon and need just a small prick in your massive ego to be deflated.

    it realized that your self-esteem is so low that even abuses cannot make you to go and file a case.

    i realized that you are the biggest coward in india fooling people in the garb of a petty politician.

  172. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    You said “MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER

    My answer: Simple. 1) Nobody believes in stories of hatered and fault finding
    2) We respect others beliefs. We dont want disturb them
    3) We dont want to hate each other based on stories

    By the way the thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.

    There are stories that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old!.

    Are you telling that we should talk bad about the prophet based on a false story like the above. You should be ashamed to talk bad about the prophet because all Muslims believe that Muhammad was sinless in the sense of transmitting the revelation.

    I would rather believe that he was a good person rather than a bad person, because there are so many people who believe he is good. One insane guy writing bad things cannot defeat the faith of all our muslim brothers and sisters.

  173. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE ELEPHANTS DO NOT BOTHER THE BARKING DOGS !!!!!

    hindushemhappy said,
    October 14, 2008 @ 1:21 am

    it realized that your self-esteem is so low that even abuses cannot make you to go and file a case.

  174. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!

    hindushemhappy said,
    October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am

    If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
    If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-2416

  175. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE GOING TO COURT TO LOOSE THE LEGAL BATTLE !!!!!

  176. hindushemhappy said

    I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
    ———————————–

    Chumber,

    I had already published my name and blog address on this site, but your blog owner removed it. Ask him why.
    Next, i am only sending a lawyer’s notice to both of you.

    You talk tooooooo much. Give your address. Give this blog owner’s name and address. Then talk.
    ————

    THE ELEPHANTS DO NOT BOTHER THE BARKING DOGS !!!!!

    THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE GOING TO COURT TO LOOSE THE LEGAL BATTLE !!!!!

    You are neither wise nor a vegetarian to call yourself an Elephant. Court will anyways order you to spend time in a mental asylum. Keep barking until then.

  177. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I WILL EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS SO THAT THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS WILL EITHER DISCARD THEM OR WILL SUICIDE LIKE KING RAMA IN DEPPRESSION !!!! SOME OF THEM ARE NOW FREQUENTLY ABUSE IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!

    mesquiteice said,
    October 15, 2008 @ 8:10 am

    Chumber,

    Dont think anybody who drinks poison is socrates. Even if socrates did not drink poison, he would still be a great man. UNDERSTAND
    All That Glitters Is Not Gold
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/#comment-2491

  178. Paul Krist said

    ‘THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!

    MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? … ‘
    ==>> THERE ARE NO GODS EXCEPT IN THE FORM OF PARTY LEADERS WHO HAVE MADE PEOPLE GODLESS WITHOUT AN IOTA ETHICS AND MORALIITY AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF SOCIETY’S GOOD.Today’s ‘gods’ of this group comprise all those politicians who garnered votes by appealing to castes, and by appearing to be admirers and champions of the causes of ‘religious minorities’ while merely abusing and ridiculing native, grown culture and religions. Lalu, Mayavati, Karunanidh, Paswan, Karat, Yechury, Y Samuel Reddy, …. are themselves or the protectors of racists, rapists, fascists, and other deviish criminals using ill-gotten political power. All those duped by these elements and those who have ‘fallen’ due to their influences

    The Indian society represents the most ancient of all culture and native religions. Buddhism is just a branch of the Vedic Hinduism, although it thought it better to evolve its own religio-philosophical thinking for building civilizations in the East, WITHOUT the concept of the Brahman, or the individual-cum-cosmic self, at its core. As it turned out, Buddhism has shed the manual (or the Sudra Buddhism and recognizes, implicitly, THREE VARNAS – the Spiritual as Monks; the Royal as the Ruling class; and the trading-industrial as the Third community – for all HUMANITY. This modified Hinduism as Buddhism was practised and learnt by Asians from several countries like China, Srilanka, Japan, etc. through discipline and practice in big universiities with vast Ashrams. In this way, BUDDHISM, UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY WITH ITS VIRULENT AND UNRIGHTEOUS EVANGELISM OF CHRISTIANITY WHICH TOOK HOLD AFTER JESUS DIED, NEVER IMPOSED ITSELF, but it was welcomed in a proactive manner by Asians.

    Japanese civilization continues to be vibrant and highly fertile due to Buddhistic tenets and practices having taken deepest roots in the very psyche of the people. The mighty Chinese have at present adopted a non-religious (not IR-RELIGIOUS) form of governance for purpose of concentrating on materialistic growth as a superpower in order to act as an Eastern bulwark against the Christian machinations to ‘plant the cross’ (and ruin the East culturally and in every sense.) Its civilzation historically and current culture are permeated by Buddhistic psyche married to the indigenous Taoist and Confucian philosophies. South Korea, once a great civilization due to the spread of Buddhism there, today has been shattered and devastated with materialism and religious hatred by Christian deceptions and conversions, and frontal attacks on Budhist holy places and followers. There is of course retalliation. In India, the daredevil anti-Hindu propaganda of numerous ‘missions’ enormously funded by the West is going on, and the people are revolting naturally due to their pride and self-respect. THESE MISSIONS SAY THE TRIBALS, SCHEDULED CASTES AND ‘DALITS’ ARE WAITING FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, and the mercenaries start with hatred of other religions and their deities and tenets, as their first attempt to inject ‘Love of Jesus’ in these sections. A repeat of South Korea shall not be permitted here on Indian soil.

    So you ask what is the relevance of Buddhism and Christian deception ? Yes, that is precisely the most relevant question. I begin by saying I am a former Christian, back sweet-home Hinduism. I concluded that what my father did was a deception to deceive the deceivers, by receiving their bribes to betray the greatest religion on earth in which it was his fortune to be born. That was not wrong, in that sense. Hence I brought a whole family back home to Hinduism. I like it, I love it for the numerous family religious functions and public festivals and the temples with a deity with a ‘concentrated power’ to goad you to action and get a particular benefit in your life. You guys allowed yourself to be misguided by hate mongers and society-dividers such as the cheap missionaries, without ever bothering to know what our religion is, what its symbols, institutions of marriage, worship and spirituality, mean. YOU ARE WELCOME TO ENJOY THE WARMTH OF YOUR HOME CULTURE WHICH IS FUSED INSEPARABLY FROM HINDUISM. I have read a translation of a Bhagavad Gita sloka, which says that other Dharmas (religions) are true like yours, but to get fascinated by propaganda and embrace a different faith is not given to man, and if he tries, he will come to grief. But yes, I agree, there are a majority of Hindus – and other Indians – who are poor. Uplifting their condition is an economic, not mercenaries’, problem, which society and government have to tackle. It is nonsensical to bring in castes (which as I read somewhere on this blog as a tribal hangover from Africa) and denigrate your own religion, and then speed fast to hell. The various episodes you allude to, and the various textual references from Hindu scripture and other texts have to be learned as to their symbolism and meaning from a learned unbiassed Pundit, not a mercenary Christian or other religious zealot intent upon ‘converting’ your faith. Faith is spiritual, and perhaps very few religions are rooted in spirituality, but Christianity is NOT one of the few.

  179. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. MESQUITEICE !
    ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO APPRECIATE MY RATIONAL STEAD FAST STAND AGAINST ON RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE TO CONDEMN SEVERLY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS !!!!! IT IS SHAMEFUL THAT THE HAPPY HINDUS TYPE ILLOGICAL VAIDIK PEOPLE ABUSE ME WITHOUT ANY REASON . BUT I AM PROUD OF MYETHICAL STAND !!!!!
    mesquiteice said,
    October 15, 2008 @ 8:35 am

    Chumber,

    congrats on your improvement.

    You have now started to see good things in a person who the whole world feels to be bad?

    You have now understood that nobody is bad and even bad people are good.

    I like this and is appreciated.

  180. C . L . CHUMBER said

    DEAR VIEWERS !
    MR.PAUL KRIST SEND HIS VIEWS ( October 16, 2008 @ 2:52 pm ) ON MY WRITNG ” THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY ” ( September 30, 2008 @ 8:04 pm ) .SINCE
    IT IS 16 DAYS LATE WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE , THEREFORE I AM COMPELLED TO REPRODUCE IT FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE VIEWERS TO ANALYSE . I WILL REPLY ON MR.PAUL KRIST`S VIEWS TOMMORROW IN DETAIL . THANKS.

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    September 30, 2008 @ 8:04 pm

    THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!

    MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
    MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/#comment-2584

  181. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    I hope that you start behaving yourself in a secular country and respect others beliefs also.

    The sooner the better!

  182. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I DO NOT RESPECT THE THE BELIEFS WHICH RECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS AS GODS !!!!! I HATE THESE EVIL BELIEFS !!!!!

    Mesquiteice said,
    October 18, 2008 @ 4:56 am

    Chumber,

    I hope that you start behaving yourself in a secular country and respect others beliefs also.

    The sooner the better!

  183. lavanya said

    I DO NOT RESPECT THE THE BELIEFS WHICH RECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS AS GODS !!!!! I HATE THESE EVIL BELIEFS !!!!!
    ————-

    Mesquiteice, Karthikeyan and all,

    From now on, please do not bother to post anything to this guy Chumber.

    No talking anymore. Only legal recourse.

    If you want to do something, then make this guy Chumber give his address.

  184. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    a belief is a belief

    your belief is evil to me and my belief may be evil to you.

    But the difference is only in our beliefs not in reality. It will just take a moment to change our beliefs(if we have the brains). The beliefs are linked to certain conditioning that our brains have undergone.

    On a general analysis, your state of mind appears to be that of a “Stubborn Child”. The foward caste lady who slapped you created a misbelief in you that she slapped you because she was of a foward caste.

    But even then you are wrong. Maybe she would have slapped you even if you were a forward caste.

    Did she ever ask for your caste before slapping? THINK

    Any way i have no problems with your beliefs, because that is personal to you.

    I like Shahrukh Khan, you may not like. But who are you to tell that i should not like shahrukh khan because you dont like him.

    On the other hand, when you want me to accept your beliefs, why dont you accept my beliefs. Your problems seems to be that you talk more than you think.

    Please use your thinking cause for fruitful purposes.

    If you keep disrespecting and abusing others beliefs, what are you going to get

  185. Paul Krist said

    Mr Chumber, I am interested in knowing the views of those who hold different or opposite views. I hope you agree that this approach to knowledge is rational. I am therefore awaiting your studied views visavis what I have said, with particular keenness. I don’t mean you should hurry up overly, however. Thank you.

  186. mesquiteice said

    HH,

    Should we forsake our perseverance for chumber’s indifference.

    I know one thing. Chumber will not give his address to you for filing a lawsuit.

    in fact i asked his address for sending a gift, he has not given his full address, how will he give you for filing a lawsuit.

    He himself knows that if he come to court, at the least he would be hauled up of contempt of courts.

    Just forget getting his address. He is not going to give you.

    But he will still continue to reap the reward for spreading hatered. However, we should not forget that it will only take a moment for him to start loving others rather than hating.

    Time is a great teacher and we shall wait.

  187. Paul Krist said

    In my opinion it will be futile to expect any stimulation for thinking meaningfully on any topic, if we pit ourselves against Mr Chumber on the other side of the debate. I TAKE LEAVE OF ALL OF YOU, FRIENDS.

  188. mesquiteice said

    Paul krist,

    While I do not accept your opinion, I understand your frustration because your well thought out and well reasoned opinions are falling into deaf ears.

    But I just want to tell you one thing brother, a diamond is always a diamond even if its value is diminished by people who do not understand its value. No matter what you do to it is invaluable. All it needs is to fall in sight of a person who knows its value.

    I wish to tell you that your rational views and reasons (like diamonds) will remain a reference(adorn) to all those who read this blog in the future. Although it may not have created the impact that you expected to create in chumber, Every time some one directs a small ray light (reason) on your diamonds, they will create so much of light to people that will dispel their darkness(ignorance) away.

    Jai Hind

  189. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! HUMANISTS AMONG INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS WILL SUPPORT CHUMBER TO ANNIHILATE THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!

    Dilip Muralidaran said,
    October 24, 2008 @ 8:41 am
    Then you will have human rights activists come and side with chumber on the blaring problems created by HINDU caste system and support him.

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/brahmin-deception-through-dalai-lama-part-1/

  190. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY WORDS WHICH I NEVER WROTE !!!!!

    Mesquiteice said,
    October 28, 2008 @ 11:25 am

    Chumber,
    Your Manusmirity says:

    I NEVER WROTE ANY MANUSIMRITY . MY CHUMBER-SIMRITY IS UNDER PREPARATION AND WILL BE OUT IN 2009 AD .-C.L.CHUMBER

    55. Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their own) welfare.

    BRAHMA TRIED HIS BEST TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER .BRAHMA DESERTED HIS WAS AND ABDUCTED A GUJJAR BACKWARD CLASS GIRL TO BE HIS WIFE . RAMA ALSO BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA .KRISHNA ALSO DESERTED HIS WIFE RUKAMANI AND THE HINDUS WORSHIP HIM WITH HIS BELOVED RADHA . SITA`S BROTHER-IN-LAW LAKSHMAN BROUGHT HER TO FOREST TO IMPLEMENT THE RAM`S BANISHMENT ORDER .-C.L.CHUMBER

    56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.

    BRAHMA`S WIFE CURSED HIM FOR DOING SACRED RITES WITHOUT HER.RAMA ALSO DID SACRED RITES AFTER BANISHING HIS WIFE SITA . -C.L.CHUMBER

    57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers

    THE DAYNASTIES OF BOTH RAM AND KRISHAN PERISHED DUE TO THEIR MISBEHAVES TO WIVES .KRISHAN WAS KILLED BY A TRIBAL HUNTER AND RAM SUICIDED WITH LAKSHMAN .THERE IS NO TEMPLE OF BRAHMA EXCEPT AT PUSHKAR ( RAJASTHAN ) .-C.L.CHUMBER

    58. The houses on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by magic.

    INDIA IS NOT WORLD POWER DUE TO INJUSTICE TO WOMEN OF ALL VARNAS/ RELIGIONS AND ABORIGINAL INDIANS .-C.L.CHUMBER

    How do you say that it asks you to rape others?

    PLEASE READ THE COMPLETE MANU SIMRITY . I AM AGAINST RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS .PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY WORDS WHICH I NEVER WROTE . YOU HAD LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY !!!!!-C.L.CHUMBER

  191. Paul Krist said

    Dear mesquiteice said, Ref: Your posting of Oct 28. I thank you for pointing out that we can hope thoughts said after due reflection, regardless of agreement or disagreement, will also reach others who can place them in perspective and help dispel the gloom of ignorance, audacity, impunity and inveterate abusive mentality of some, and further enlighten the others who are not fully informed or clear. Thank you.

  192. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    grow up!

    I am calling it as “Your Manusmrity” because you were the one who posted it?

    OK! Answer this.

    How do i know that all that thing you are writing is only manusmrity and not chumber smrity?

    I do not know any manu nor any other writer as to who wrote it.

    As far as I know, you only published this in this blog. Therefore in that context you should take responsiblity for it. You are the one who believes this to be true and seem to explain the words in such detail as though you only wrote it.

    What if you have changed some words and are publishing this just to suit you requirements.

    You should write only things for which you can take responsiblity.

    I WILL NOT READ even one bit of manusmrity, since you are not taking responsibility. I dont know any manu and nor can i dialouge with him. I will read chumber smrity as and when it is published and then discuss with you. If you take responsibility then only i will read it. I dont belive that what you are writing is only manusmrity. You are lying through your teeth.

    I am not answering any thing from Manusmrity unless someone takes responsiblity.

    Please forget “BRAHMA”. I dont know who brahma is and if at all he did the things you told.

    Why are you hating everybody today because some one told you that one brahma did some thing wrong (do you know when!).

    Wake Up!

  193. C.L .CHUMBER said

    INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS ARE GOING TO FORGET BRAHMA ! ! ! ! !

    BUT DO NOT DISCARD HIM AND CONDEMN HIS MISDEEDS LIKE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM ! ! ! ! !

    Mesquiteice said,
    November 6, 2008 @ 5:52 am

    Chumber,
    grow up!
    Please forget “BRAHMA”. I don`t know who Brahma is and if at all he did the things you told.

  194. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    Dont beat around the bush and beg for sympathy. whatever, you want to e-dialogue tell me clearly.

  195. C.L .CHUMBER said

    WE NEED NOT SYMPATHY OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU FALSE GODS OR YESMAN / YESWOMAN OF THEIR FOLLOWERS OR JOIN THE TEAM WHICH ABUSE THOSE WHO DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS !!!!! THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR – LOVE THE TRUTH AND HATE THE LIE !!!!!

  196. C.L .CHUMBER said

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .
    * Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
    Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.
    Be you never so high , the law is above above you. – Thomas Fuller
    Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller

    The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It .
    Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor
    Let justice be done , though the heavens fall.- William Watson , 1602 AD .

  197. C.L .CHUMBER said

    SITA WAS NON-VIOLENT AND SHE WAS AGAINST RAM`S WAR AGAINST RAKSHAS WITHOUT ANY REASON !!!!!

    Valmiki Ramayana – Aranya Kanda in Prose Sarga 9
    Seetha foresees danger in Rama’s decision to eliminate the demons in Dandaka forest, without any provocation from their side, at the request of some sages. She narrates an old episode about a sage who in possession of a weapon became violent and cruel.

    To Rama, the scion of Raghu and her husband, who started out when permitted by Sage Suteekshna, Vaidehi spoke this with friendly words.

    Seetha addresses Rama with this percept. “Wielding weaponry you are entering into an area where the demons are dense, and you intolerantly embark to kill them, thereupon we two get separated, which in turn is intolerable to you. So let us leave weapons back at hermitage and go to forests to see sages – Govindaraja. “The promise made to sages in eradicating demons is himsaatmaka, injurious; they can be won over by ahimsa, non-injurious methods also. None can avert Rama to make a promise, nor ask him to deviate from it. Aware of this stubbornness of Rama, her heart felt a foreboding, and that love-blind Seetha started telling in a friendlily manner, in view of her friendship with Rama, that may disrupt soon.

    “Gross unjust will accrue to any in an abstruse way if his indulgence is enkindled merely by his own desire, and in this world it is possible to fend them off, to have a recourse to justness…

    For the first word adharma of Gorakhpur version, there are other words available in other mms like yastu dharmam tu and ayam dharma . The critical editions and also Dharmaakuutam puts it as ayam dharmaH susuuksmeNa vidhinaa praapyate mahaan… Instead of adharma, ayam dharma is there, which changes the negative attitude to positive Then this ayam dharmaH translates as ‘this dharma, the duty of a prince, which you are going to take-up in the wake of promise given to sages, i.e., killing demons, without a valid reason, that which is righteous to you, can be performed in a different way…’

    “Only three self-gratifications, the definite products of desire, are there: one is speaking fallacious utterances, which itself is worse, and worst than the other two malefic self-gratifications, where the other two are the fascination for other’s wife, and the cruelness without enmity…

    Seetha is foretelling the triggering points in the course of Ramayana. The addictions or self-gratifying acts are defined as:

    m®ga y˜kÿ˜ div˜ svapna× pari v˜da× striyo mada×|
    taurya trikamv®th˜ a÷y˜ ca k˜maja× daþako guõa× ||manu sm®ti

    mR^igayaakshaa= hunting game; divaa svapnaH= day dreaming – sleeping in daytime; pari vaada= abusing others; striyaomadaH= indulgence in women; taurya trikam=artistic impulses, three of them; vR^ithaa aTyaa ca= wasteful wandering, also; kaamajaH= desire produced; dashako guNaH= ten, traits.

    Hunting, sleeping in daytime, abusing others, indulgence in women, three artistic impulses namely music, dance and drama, wasteful wandering, are the ten desire. Manu smriti.

    “The habit of telling specious words is not there with you in the past nor it will be there in future, oh, Raghava, then wherefrom the virtue-ruining desire for other’s women can be there… Oh, king, earlier this vile desire for other’s women is absent in you, nor it is there now, unobserved is such a desire in any corner of your heart oh, prince, for you are always interested in your own wife… You are conscientious, adherent of truth, and obliging father’s orders, and in you virtue and truth, nay everything is established in you…

    “Oh, dextrous one, all this can possibly be shouldered by one with controlled senses, and oh, graceful one for a gaze, I am also aware of your sense control…

    The compound mahaabaahoshakyam is also cleaved as mahaa baaho a + shakyam, meaning that ‘your attributes are impossible to be known even by the self-controlled sages, but they are known to me…’ so says Seetha.

    “That third tendency to torture others’ lives without enmity, that which will usually be effectuated unwarily, has now suddenly chanced before you… Intending to safeguard the sages you have promised the dwellers in Dandaka forest, oh, valiant one, that you would eliminate demons in a fight… Only in this respect you have started towards the well-known Dandaka forest along with your brother, and wielding bow and arrows…Then on seeing your starting my mind is apprehensively upset, on verily reflecting about your bearing there appears to be no beneficial good for you…

    This last compound of second foot where nisH shreyasam hitam is available in Gorakhpur version. In Eastern version it is bhaven niHshreyasam hi tat and in other older scripts it is: tv˜m caiva prasthitam d®ÿ÷v˜ r˜ma cint˜luma mana×| sarvata× cintayanty˜ me tava ni×þreyasam n®pa|| Dharmaakuutam puts this wording as: niHshreyasam mahat. It is similar in critical editions also bhaven niHshreyasa.n hitam Dharmaakuutam defines this expression as, anena bhart®u hitak˜riõy˜ bh˜ryay˜ þreyo bhavatŸti s¨citam|| In any way, Seetha’s contemplation is, “you abide by your oath given to sages, and thus kill the demons. But without a cause you do not proceed to eliminate. If a cause for quarrel is to be there, that will be due to me. If I become the cause and depart you, you cannot survive without me, for you are not a polygamist. So how all these factors like your promise, monogamy, and eliminating demons, can be resolved by you? Thus I am thinking along with the associated troubles which you are going to undergo…”

    “Oh, brave one, your going towards Dandaka forest is not delightful to me, I tell the cause for that and listen to it as I tell… Indeed on entering the forest along with your brother, and wielding bow and arrows, seeing the forest ramblers there, won’t you deplete arrows on all of them… The bow of warrior and the fuel of a burning fire if available within their reach, they immensely enhance their strength…

    “Once upon a time, oh, dextrous one, there was a pious and true worded hermit in some merited forest that was wonted by animals and birds. Then Indra came to that hermitage handling a sword, and donning a soldier’s guise, to cause hindrance to that hermit’s ascesis… Indra gave that best sword to store, there in that hermitage to that sage who is lasting in his ascesis, on a redeemable basis.

    “On receiving that sword, he who is duteous in guarding the entrustment, moved about in the forest always handling the sword, to safeguard the confidence reposed in him. Wherever that dedicated guardian of that entrustment goes, even to obtain tubers or fruits, he did not go without that sword. Carrying that sword always, that hermit slowly made his own faculty infuriated, loosing determination in ascesis. Then with the constant association of that weapon that sage gradually became inadvertent, and smitten by vice he went to hell.

    “Thus, all this happened earlier, only owing the reason of associating with a weapon constantly, and the sequel of constant association with weapon is as good as constant association with fire. In affinity and in respect I am reminding but not tutoring you, and in anyway improper is that thought of yours to wield your bow to kill the demons dwelling in Dandaka without any enmity, oh, brave one, undesirable is the killing of offenceless. For the valiant Kshatriya-s who are inclined in forests heartily, the purpose of the bow is this much ‘safeguarding the sufferers…’

    There are some conflicting reviews on this stanza. It is said in the first foot vaneSu niyata aatmaanaam But older mms contain sva dharmeSu nirata aatmaanaam will be found, while Dharmaakuutam and Eastern versions have it as vaneSu nirata only. This Gorakhpur version and critical editions are having as vaneSu niyata The meaning in other versions is that Kshatriya-s should delight in their class-oriented righteousness, even when in forests. Thus Seetha’s thinking is that they should live like hermits in forests, without resorting to the warring attributes of Kshatriya class. In the second foot she says that the function of bow is limited to ‘safeguard the suffering lot…’ In the next chapter at 3-10-3, Rama retorts with the same expression in answering Seetha.

    “Where that weapon? Where this forest? Where the principles of Kshatriya? And where is sageness? All this is inconsistent… let us esteem the laws of the land… Weapon admiring mind becomes maligned with avariciousness, you may therefore follow the tenet of Kshatriya-s on going to Ayodhya again…

    “Everlasting satisfaction will be there to my father-in-law and mothers-in-laws, on your becoming a devout sage even after forfeiture of kingdom… From virtuousness prosperity emanates, from righteousness happiness, and by honourableness all are achieved, and this universe is the essence of probity… Experts will make efforts to exhaust their own selves with those and those principles, thus they realise sublimity… unachievable is pleasure by pleasuring alone…

    “Always tread along the righteousness with a pure mind, oh, gentle one, and specially in these sagely forests… you know everything in all the three worlds, in all its nuances… I cite all this with my womanly waver, and who is capable to talk to you about dharma? Ponder mindfully along with your brother, and what that is appropriate, you do it…but not belatedly…

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    Seetha’s dilemma

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    This particular chapter is an interesting juncture in Ramayana, where Seetha reminds about the question of triggering cause for Rama’s waging a war against demons. Seetha’s doubt is well explained in Dharmaakuutam, the encyclopaedic commentary on Ramayana. A number of pages are allotted there for this chapter, and it is said there, that if Seetha is said to be self-contradictory in telling Rama that bow and arrows are a must to Kshatriya-s to protect the helpless when saying ‘safeguard the sufferers, then only Kshatriya-s should use their bow…” as at verse 3-9-26 above, and also questioning immediately at 3-9-27, ‘where the Kshatriya dharma, where the hermit’s way of living…’ etc., dharmaakuutam says not so. She is not contradicting herself in her statements, but asking Rama to have a cause, without resorting to weaponry against those demons, in a straightforward way. ata× tad rakÿaõ˜ya ˜yudhamna gr˜hyam iti etad abhipr˜yakatv˜t ||

    She is inquisitive to know why Rama alone shall raise the bow and arrows against some demons hurting some sages. These sages are having super powers and Indra like celestial chiefs are coming to these sages to take them to heaven with their mortal bodies. Can’t they eliminate these demons? But these super hermits are not going to heaven, which is the minimum ambition of any penance, but requesting Rama to protect them from demons. And Rama obligingly started to wage this unilateral war, where any war requires a triggering point. Can’t the super sages eliminate these demons, with their powers acquired by their penances? This is the question of Seetha. For this, Rama replies so convincingly in the next chapter, saying that the sages cannot issue forth a curse at the demons, in the course of their penance.

    Sage Vishvamitra, though being a furious sage, once sought the help of Rama to counter the Demoness Tataka. And Rama rendered it. Now also these sages do not waste their powers at the mischievous demons, but ask Rama to safeguard their interests, for Rama is the king, whether he may be in capital or in forests.

    Secondly, Rama is subjected to the throne of Ayodhya, now being held by his brother Bharata, and as a loyalist to that throne, Ram should act in accordance with the rules of his kingdom. This area Dandaka forests is under the ambit of their own kingdom. So Rama has to perform the deeds suitable to their kingdom. When killing Vali, Rama speaks to Vali – “all this area is under our kingdom, now held by Bharata, and it is my duty to act in accordance with the decree of that throne…”

    “Regarding the cause, Seetha’s doubt comes true and she alone becomes the ultimate cause for Rama, to wage the final war with Ravana.

    Thus, this is the 9th chapter in Aranya Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana, the First Epic poem of India.
    http://www.valmikiramayan.net/aranya/sarga9/aranya_9_prose.htm

  198. C.L .CHUMBER said

    HURRAH !
    MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!

    BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”

    OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
    SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!

  199. Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said

    Dear Friends,
    I have been following the conversations here for some time.
    As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts. He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward. It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness. Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward. He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.

    The treatment
    Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
    He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
    Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
    Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
    Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
    Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
    Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.

    Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.

    Thanks.
    Dr M.R.Satish Rao
    Senior Registrar
    Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K

  200. C.L .CHUMBER said

    Dr M.R.Satish Rao
    Senior Registrar
    Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K IS A ADDICTED FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL INDO ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS WHO WROTE ON THE INSTRUCTIONS AND DICTATATION OF EVIL VAIDIK ABUSIVE HINDUS ! I WILL WRITE TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF UK TO CHECK HIS MENTAL LEVEL BECAUSE HIS INTEGRITY IS DOUBTFUL .HE HAD TO FEEL SORRY , OTHERWISE I WILL FILE A DEFAMATION CASE AGAINST HIM IN UK . IF HE WATCHED THIS BLOG , AS HE CLAIMED HE MUST CONDEMN THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
    I AM HAPPY TO INFORM ALL THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THE E-BATTLE ! I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MAD .IN THE MENTAL HOSPITALS THE MADS DECLARE OTHERS MAD .THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS IS IN A DECISIVE STAGE . SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!

  201. lavanyamura said

    Chumber,

    You guys have an office in the UK. Why do not you simply go ahead and file a case?

    Let us see what the court says. Atleast that way, you will be forced (by a court’s order) to see a psychiatrist.

    There is not a single person who is not doubting you now (as mad).

    It is better that you do not talk about other’s integrity or surgical abilites or quote more lies of your own making and pass them off as manusmrithy’s words.

  202. icefire said

    Brahmins need to cleaerd from south india…they are the root cause for all existing social problems…i welcome “anaivarum archaragalam” and “Sedhu” Project

  203. C.L .CHUMBER said

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .
    * Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
    BE YOU NEVER SO HIGH , THE LAW IS ABOVE YOU !. – Thomas Fuller

    Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.

    Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller

    The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It
    .
    Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor

    Let justice be done , though the heavens fall.- William Watson , 1602 AD .

  204. C.L .CHUMBER said

    I ASSURE YOU EVERY ONE THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!

    LOVE BEGETS LOVE !!!!!

    PLEASE DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO JUSTIFY HAT YOUR GOOD SELF HAVE A PIOUS SOUL IN A PIUOS BODY !!!!!

    BETTER ALONE THAN A BAD COMPANY ! DISCARD THE COMPANY OF BAD PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP ,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE EVIL GODS !!!!!

    A LOVE IS NOT A REAL LOVE WHICH DO NOT CREATE A LOVELY SOCIETY BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE .

    I LOVE MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN . I PLEDGED MY LOVELY HOME TO A BANK FOR MY CHILDREN`S HIGHER STUDY . NOW MY THREE CHILDREN ARE MANAGERS IN MNCs .THEY ARE SUPPORTING THE FOURTH ONE FOR HIGHER STUDY .
    I LOVE THE HUMANITY . IN THE LAST THREE YEARS , WE PRODUCED 12 STUDENTS SUCCEEDED TO GET ADMISSION IN THE JAWAHAR NAVODYA VIDYALYA SCHOOL .THESE STUDENTS BELONG TO BRAHMAN , OBCs AND SCs.
    FROM 6TH TO +2 CLASSES THEIRS BOARDING AND LODGING WILL BE FREE .

    TO-DAY, SOME BRAHMAN INTELLETUALS CAME TO MEET AND APPRECIATE ME FOR MY DARING , RATIONAL AND MIND BLOWING DEBATE ON RAPISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM .THEY SAID ,” YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB .WE ARE READY TO PRODUCE MORE EVIDENCES IN THE LEGAL COURTS OR PEOPLE`S COURT .” I THANKED THEM AND ASSURED THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!

    Mesquiteice said,
    November 13, 2008 @ 4:50 am
    Chumber,
    expressions of the soul can never be curtailed limited.
    Examples:
    Just like a true lover loves his loved one, wheter or not they like it
    Just like a true mother who loves her child, wheter or not it likes her.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin

  205. C.L .CHUMBER said

    WILL BRAHMANS BE FOREIGNERS FOR INDIANS OR THEY SURRENDER TO THE INDIAN DEMOCRACY TO LIBERATE THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ? ? ? ? ?

    MOHAMMAD ALI JINAH WAS THE CHAINMAN OF THE RECEPTION COMMITTEE WHICH WELCOMED MR. GANDHI ON HIS ARRIVAL FROM SOUTH AFRICA !!!!!

    PERIYAR EV RAMASAMI NAICKER WAS ALSO AN EX CONGRESS LEADER !!!!!

    THE VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE NOT DEALING WITH ME PROPERLY !!!!!

    THEY MUST BEAR IN THEIR MINDS ,” THERE IS ACTION AND REACTION IN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE DIRECTION ! ”

    MY TRUE GOD , FOREFATHERS , PARENTS , RELATIVES , NEIGHBORERS ,FRIENDS AND COUNTRY MADE ME TO LIVE FOR RESPECT AND DIE FOR RESPECT .I AM FIGHTING FOR THE RESPECT OF THE HUMANITY !!!!!

    icefire said,

    November 13, 2008 @ 3:39 am

    Brahmins need to cleaerd from south india…they are the root cause for all existing social problems…i welcome “anaivarum archaragalam” and “Sedhu” Project

  206. C.L .CHUMBER said

    IN DECEMBER 2008 , I WILL FILE A CASE IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT !!!!!

    I WILL ARRANGE 75 PRESS CONFERENCES IN INDIA AND ABROAD TO COMMEMORATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM `S BIRTH PLATINUM JUBILEE COMMENCING ON 15TH MARCH 2009 .THERE WILL BE A LAST PRESS CONFERENCE IN FRESNO , CALIFORNIA ( USA ) IN DECEMBER , 2009 WHERE OUR GREATEST INDIAN FREEDOM FIGHTER , FOUNDER OF THE ADI-DHARAM BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA MIGRATED IN DECEMBER , 1909 AD .

    MR.LAVANMUR ! YOU WILL BE GLAD TO KNOW THAT MY WIFE`S SISTER AND HER FAMILY AND MANY RELATIVES AND FRIENDS RESIDE IN UK AND IN LACS MY LIKE MINDED PEOPLE IN UK . THEY CAN PUT THAT UNBALANCED DOCTOR BEHIND BARS , DEMONSTRATE AT HIS RESIDENCE , OFFICE AND CAN ABUSE IN VAIDIK STYLE ! I REQUEST YOU IN ADVANCE TO PERMIT THEM TO USE YOUR ABUSES WHICH YOU SENT TO ME THROUGH THIS ESTEEMED BLOG https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .

    BUT THIS NOT A POLITICAL , ECONOMIC , RELIGIOUS OR SOCIAL WAR . I TAKE IT AN ETHICAL E-DIALOGUE WAR !!!!!

    THIS MAY BE A BLOOD SHED WAR IF WE BOTH SIDE`S INTELLECTUALS START VAIDIK STYLE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!

    THIS IS MY LAST WARNING THAT IF YOU WILL NOT STOP ABUSIVE LANGUAGE , THEN I WILL HAVE TO SHOW MY MADNESS BY REPEATING THE SAME ABUSES TO YOUR GODS AND THIS MAY BE TURNED INTO BLOOD SHED WAR . WE HAD READ ABOUT THE MAHABHARTA WAR . INDIA DID NOT RISE FROM THAT WAR !THE BOTH SIDES DESTROYED .YOU MAY ARGUE WITHOUT ABUSES !

    YOU ARE MANUWADIS , I AM ANTI-MANUWAD AND PRO-INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!! OUR CONSTITUTION BANNED RAPES , RACE ( CASTE SYSTEM – IT RESERVE THE SEATS IN GOVT. / SEMI GOVT.INSTITUTIONS BUT NEVER COMPENSATED THE SUFFERERS WHICH THEY LOST TO THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS WHICH MUST BE ADJUST BY LAW ! ) AND FASCIST ACTIVITIES .

    OUR PEOPLE DO TANNING SINCE THOUSAND YEARS AND I WILL LEARN FROM THEM HOW TO OPERATE AND USE A DEAD BODY OF MANUWADI SYSTEM AFTER TANNING INTO USEFUL THINGS – SHOES , SANDLES , JACKETS AND HATS , GLOVES ETC ! .
    I WILL LEARN FROM THE FARMERS HOW TO PLOUGH THE SOCIETY AND SEED THE EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE IN THE SOCIAL FIELDS .
    I WILL LEARN FROM THE GHUMIHAR / KUMHAAR ( POTTER )HOW TO MOLD THE UNEQUAL USELESS SOCIETY INTO A USEFUL SOCIETY .
    I WILL LEARN FROM THE SWEEPER HOW TO CLEAN MANUWAD WHICH BLOCKED THE GUTTER .
    I WILL LEARN FROM THE MERITORIOUS JHEEWAR / KASHYAP RAJPUTS HOW TO CROSS OVER THE RIVER AND OCEAN OF HARDSHIPS JOINTLY . ( I HAD ENJOYED THEIR MERITORIOUS ABILITIES WHILE CROSING THE SATLUJ RIVER NEAR SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S MOTHER`S VILLAGE NEAR ANAND PUR SAHIB( PUNJAB ) WHICH IS SITUATED ON ITS BANKS ! SECOND TIME ON THE DAY AFTER INAUGURATION OF THE ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS GATE , VARANASI ( U.P.) BY REVERED LATE MR. K.R. NARAYNAN , THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA AT ALLAHABAD CONJUNCTION OF THE GANGA AND YAMUNA .THIRD TIME I ENJOYED THEIR ABILITY WHILE JOURNEY FROM THE INDIA GATE , MUMBAI TO ELEPHANTA CAVE IN THE ARABIAN OCEAN .)

    I AM VERY ADMIRER OF THE ARTISANS AND LABORERS .AND I AM DEADLY AGAINST THAT SOCIETY WHICH IS A PARASITE ON THEIR ECONOMY AND MAKE THEM HAND TO MOUTH !

    WHAT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE BRAHMANS ?

    WHO EXPLOIT EVEN THE REMAINS OF DEAD BODIES AT HARDWAR , GAYA , MATHURA ,ALLAHABAD , PUSHKAR , PEHOWA .PEOPLE HAD TO PAY MANUWADI TAX EVEN AFTER !THESE CITY ARE HEAD QUARTES OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT KEEP REMAINS WITH MONEY AND OTHER ARTICLES .SHAME .

    THE TANNERS ARE BETTER THAN THESE PANDAS ! THE TANNERS GIVE US OUT OF DEAD ANIMALS BUT THESE PANDAS NOTHING EXCEPT LOOTING IN THE NAME OF VAIDIK RELIGION !!!! IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
    Lavanyamura said,
    November 12, 2008 @ 4:41 pm

    Chumber,
    You guys have an office in the UK. Why do not you simply go ahead and file a case?
    Let us see what the court says. Atleast that way, you will be forced (by a court’s order) to see a psychiatrist.
    There is not a single person who is not doubting you now (as mad).
    It is better that you do not talk about other’s integrity or surgical abilites or quote more lies of your own making and pass them off as manusmrithy’s words.

  207. C.L .CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ CORRECTIONS AND ADDITION . THANKS .

    WHAT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE BRAHMANS ?

    WHO EXPLOIT EVEN THE REMAINS OF DEAD BODIES AT HARDWAR , GAYA , MATHURA ,ALLAHABAD , PUSHKAR , PEHOWA .PEOPLE HAD TO PAY MANUWADI TAX EVEN AFTER death ! THESE CITY ARE HEAD QUARTERS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT KEEP THE REMAINS of died persons WITH MONEY AND OTHER ARTICLES .
    ADDED :-
    AT VARANASI AND VARINDAVAN / MATHURA BOTH IN COW BELT THE PANDAS EXPLOIT THE BANGLA WIDDOWS SEXUALLY . THE VAIDIK HINDUS DISCARD THEIR WIDOW MOTHERS AND USELESS COW-MOTHERS . SHAME .

  208. C.L .CHUMBER said

    NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
    BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!

    I WILL SEND DR.Dr M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K TO HIM WHETHER HE HAD WRITTEN ACTUALLY !!!!!

    I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
    I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
    I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
    I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
    I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !

    I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
    Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
    ( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
    ( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
    ( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
    ( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
    ( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
    ( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
    ( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
    ( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVRY TOME BY INTERCOURSING KASHATTRIYA LADIES BY HIS BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY !
    ( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
    ( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
    ( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
    ( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
    ( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
    AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .

    NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
    BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!

  209. C.L .CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THE 5TH AND 6TH LINES IN SERIAL NO. AS BELOW –

    NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
    BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !

  210. C.L .CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THE 5TH AND 6TH LINES IN SERIAL NO. 9 AS BELOW –

    NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
    BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !

  211. Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said

    Dear Chumber,

    “I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
    I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
    I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
    I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
    I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !”

    Chumber your response to my post seems completely out of place. This is an internet blog and being a qualified psychatrist I was just trying to help you out for free. At your degree of mental instability you can see only what you like to see. That’s why I was asking readers here to inform your family members as they are the people who could help you. There is little you can do yourself as one of the signs of mental disorders is unconcious behaviour. You dont know what you are doing. The moment you become aware of your behaviour and actions you get cured. But that is a difficult process as there can be a host of reasons why you have ended up with this mental disorder. Briefly stated it can be either through nature or nurture – by nature I mean it can be nuerological, in that case we need to check your family history. Around 70% of psychaitric disorders are inherited and passed through the genes. By nurture I mean it can be through some traumatic incident or series of incidents or specific social influences.

    I am damned sure Presidents, prime ministers, UN, heads of all countries would not be intrested in your complaint. It will be a waste of your time, effort and money. You show a great deal of Narcissism, high degree of self importance and you believe that the world revolves around you. What do you think. A doctor tells you you are suffering from a mental disorder, and you complain and you think this is some international news. You send a mail to all the presidents of the world and UN and suddenly these guys will think – “oh how dare this doctor abuse the great Chumber”. Come on Chumber get real. You are not an international celebrity.

    The most ordinary thing in the world is that everyone feels they are extraordinary. Get it Chumber. But C L Chumber thinks is deluded that he is a well known and famous revolutionary all set to head some impending revolutionary movement. In my native city of Mysore, I knew a harmless mental patient who used to think that he was the president of the world. He used to wear a badge proclaiming the same and stand in street corners and give lectures on how he is running the world. Chumber you remind me on the same person just that in your case your disease is still in its infancy.

    Regarding my antecedants I am an FRCS and work in the old Clapham hospital in the area of forensic psychaitry. I have as my patients many psychopaths and sociopaths. My advanced skill levels and expertise helps me to recognize psychaitric disorders the moment I see one. Your case is too common and typical in our field.

    I once more ask the readers here, if you know of any family members of C.L.Chumber please inform them and get him treated by a qualified psychaitrist or a mental health institute. I recommed NIMHANS (National Institute of Mental health and Nuero sciences in Bangalore) as it is a premier institute in this field not just in India but widely recognized world over.

    Dr M.R.Satish Rao
    Senior Registrar
    Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K

    PS: “I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ….”.

    BTW just curious. Would you send it to the american president. George Bush is still the president till Jan 20. Just wanted to tell you to send it to Barack Obama as well – just in case this case goes beyond Jan 20. After Obama is sworn in as the president we can still discuss your complaint with him. See you later in the White House.

  212. C.L .CHUMBER said

    I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
    Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –

    ( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
    ( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
    ( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
    ( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
    ( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
    ( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
    ( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
    ( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVRY TOME BY INTERCOURSING KASHATTRIYA LADIES BY HIS BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY !
    ( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
    ( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
    ( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
    ( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
    ( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
    AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .

    NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
    BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!

  213. mesquiteice said

    Chumber,

    Please discard your great grandfather’s grandfather’s father because he did something wrong. Do you know why?????

    Because your great grandfather’s grandfathers was brahma!!!.

    You have been speaking a lot about him.

    Can you prove who your great grandfather’s grandfather’s father was?

    Do you know his name and address and what he was doing and what all he has done.

    I know you will not even be able to believe this, but how can you disprove it.

  214. C.L .CHUMBER said

    FIRST OF ALL YOU , YOU DISCARD YOUR GOOD SELF`S RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!

    THEN YOU E-DIALOGUE WITH ME !!!!!

  215. Prema said

    Yes,we always talkabout high caste,low caste,black and white.
    Whatever caste we belong to,we are God’s children..God sees us with the same eye,and does not make any difference,but those so called high caste,specially,the brahmins believe that they are “high” in every sense,and the low castes like the dalits are not human beings.When I was in India,I wasshocked to see the Dalits cleaning the toilets and doing the lowest jobs. Iwas so hurt that at one time I felt I willchange my religion,converted either a Budhist or christian,but then I realised,my blood will remain the same.So untiltoday I am a Hindu.
    When Barack Obamawon the USA election,The Prime Minister and Sonia Ghandi praised this victory.Now they accept a Black as the USA President.I am a good supporter of Barack Obama from the timeIcame to knowhimvia the media.
    Iamasking the PrimeMinister of India and the President of the Congress Party what are they doing to help the Dalits.Iknow Sonia Gandhi is not a hindu so it doesnotmatter to her how the Dalits are being treated.She only made her comments when the Christians were attacked,( I am sorry for this attack,this should not have happenned.I respect all religions,)Sonia Gandhi is doing nothing to help the Dalits.
    For years,the Dalits are fighting for their freedomandrights,and Iamsure one day theywill get their freedom and enjoy a better life than those rascals high castes.
    God help the dalits.

  216. mesquiteice said

    Why should i do whatever you say???

    I want to understand your logic. So you must prove whatever you say. atleast not stories and tell tales

    If you convince me in e-dialogue with logic and reason then i will accept.

  217. C.L .CHUMBER said

    ARE HINDU SCRIPTURES STORY BOOKS ? ? ? ? ?

    ARE HINDU GODS MYTHS ? ? ? ? ?

    WERE HINDU GODS NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS ? ? ? ? ?

    VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS CAN NOT E-DIALOGUE ? ? ? ? ?

    YOU ENDORSED DR. M.R.SATISH RAO`S FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT .

    YOUR GOOD SELF IS UNETHICAL PERSON .

    I CAN PASTE YOUR UNETHICAL WRITINGS !!!!!

  218. C.L .CHUMBER said

    DR. M.R. SATISH RAO IS IN THE BAD COMPANY OF VHP ,U.K.THAT IS WHY HE IS WORSHIPER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ! ! ! ! !

    HE IS NOT MENTALLY SOUND ! ! ! ! !

    HE IS UNETHICAL SO-CALLED DOCTOR ! ! ! ! !

    M/S HAPPY HINDUS DID NOT REFUTED MY CHARGES THAT THIS SO-CALLED MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF THEM !!!!!

    Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said,
    November 18, 2008 @ 8:07 am

    Hello Mr. Chumber,

    Over the weekend, I had been to the Isle of Man in the UK to witness a marriage between an Indian man and British woman, both friends of mine. This indian man to your knowledge and horror is from the Brahmin community and is a Hindu member of a group called VHP UK.

  219. mesquiteice said

    You said “YOU ENDORSED DR. M.R.SATISH RAO`S FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT ”

    Where did i endorse. Who am i to endorse. Does it make any difference whether i endorse it or not.

    I like the way in which Dr. Rao took pains to help you. I like people doing good for others. Nothing else. I never said that what he said was right or wrong. nor did i ask you to do as per what he adviced you. That is your choice not mine.

    Should i like only muslims.

    Should I hate hindus. Is that what you are telling

  220. lavanyamur said

    M/S HAPPY HINDUS DID NOT REFUTED MY CHARGES THAT THIS SO-CALLED MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF THEM !!!!!
    ————-

    Chumber,

    Was away. Therefore did not reply. I do not know what are the charges that i shd refute. I find you as someone whose ego is fixated in the lower lokas of ego, ambition, power, anger, accusative attitude..and i accept that such ‘evil’ will always remain and cannot be changed…i just do not wish to try to change anything anymore..you can do whatever you want — wipe people like me a thousand times off this earth…i will still be born, again and again to live the sanatan dharma. There is nothing you can do about it. Bye and God Bless.

  221. Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said

    TO C.L.Chumber

    I am not in any way related to Happyhindu@lavanya. I only know happyhindu through the posts happyhindu@lavanya has been posting in this forum. I would say Happyhindu has a great deal of patience in dealing with mentally disoriented people. She has tried in vain to make you come to talking terms, which is a very difficult task and I can vouchsafe for her patience from my professional experience. Anyway that apart.

    YOu asked me to provide my address so that your family can come and agitate in front of my house. Actually this is a professional hazard for me working as a foresnsic psychatrist and I used to get threats from many sociopaths and psychopaths. Hence, as I mentioned earlier in my post we do not give our address and contact so easily. I am not a run of the mill psychaitrist. My area is highly specialised and also I hold my life quite valuable and would desist from giving oppurtunity for sociopaths to run over me, my family and my professional fraternity.

    Regarding my mention of the friends marriage and the friend being a Brahmin and part of VHP. That was false and a claptrap to basically trigger certain predefined emotions and responses from you. We do this all the time in psychaitry and we even enact psychodrama for analysis of mental conditions. Of course I did go to a marriage in ‘Isle of man’ but that was between two of my english friends. I just wrote the two words – Brahmin and VHP and you were flaming. Now the ball is in your court. Understand how words and its respective associations evoke certain crystallized responses in you. I am not saying you lack reasoning but what I mean is your reasoning is clouded with high degree of prejudice and judgement which is bordering on certain mental conditions which can be a clear case study in the field of a branch of psychaitry termed as ‘Abnormal Psychaitry’.

    Please note that I am not your doctor and neither are you my patient. Hence there is no possiblity of you contacting me. I have asked for members of your family or people who know them to get in touch with Psychatristry department of NIMHANS bangalore or even the NHS UK or private hospitals in UK. I can send a list of such institutes through this forum.

    My Diagnosis is based on the readings of your post and I can vouchsafe for an accuracy of about 90% on the diagnosis mentioned in my previous post. I once again call upon readers who know Chumber’s family to get in touch with NIMHANS or any other reputed mental health institute. I am pretty sure that the venerable doctors in these institute will concur with my prognosis. Check it out and then you will thank me.

    Let me tell you this I have nothing but Goodwill towards you and your family. I just felt that you would need to be healed from this malady and hence my post.

    Dr M.R.Satish Rao
    Senior Registrar, Old Clapham Hospital
    Manchester.

  222. C.L .CHUMBER said

    MR. M. R. SATISH RAO ! PLEASE RELEASE MEDICAL REPORTS ON THESE FOLLOWING PERSONS ALSO , OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN UNETHICAL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU TERRORIST DOCTOR !!!!!

    I WILL COMPLAIN TO INTERPOL AGAINST YOUR GOOD SELF IF YOU DID NOT RELEASE THE SAME 15 MEDICAL REPORTS !!!!!

    OR YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY WITHIN A WEEK FOR YOUR FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT TO DEFAME ME INTENTIONALLY !!!!!

    C.L .CHUMBER said,

    November 18, 2008 @ 10:42 am

    C.L .CHUMBER said,

    November 14, 2008 @ 10:12 am

    I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
    Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
    ( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
    ( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
    ( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
    ( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
    ( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
    ( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
    ( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
    ( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
    BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
    ( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
    ( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
    ( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
    ( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
    ( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
    AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .

    NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
    BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!

  223. SanJam said

    I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE

    Ummmm Mr Chumber, we shouldn’t use second form (past tense) of verb (implemented) with “did” in the same sentence.

    WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE RESTORING OF OUR LOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

    You could replace “restoring” with “restoration” of our fundamental rights. What you are trying to restore, obviously, is not being fulfilled, or, is missing.

    A FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST RELIGION CAN NOT BE A TRUE INDIANS !

    Now, even a kindergarten kid would know that a sentence starting from “A” follower, cannot end in plural “Indians”.

    THE HINDU RELIGION IS A TERRORIT PHILOSOPHY WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!

    Now, you are equating a religion with a misspelled philosophy. And, FYI: caste or varna system doesn’t get an atom’s importance in the meritocracy that exists today.

    Only jerks like you keep venting out their frustration in such humiliatingly erroneous grammar. Most of the visitors to this blog leave it with a bad taste in mouth and a handful of pity on your filthy retorts and lowly thoughts.

    You truly are a dispensable trash of our society.

  224. C.L .CHUMBER said

    NOW EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD KNOW THAT MR. SANJAM LIKE ABUSERS ARE VERY BAD PERSONS !!!!!

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT RAPE !!!!!

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE NO CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    MOST OF THE VISITORS TO THIS BLOG READ IT WITH A GOOD TASTE TO KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIRS VAIDIK ABUSER FOLLOWERS !!!!!

    I RECEIVE DAILY EMAILS AND APPRECIATION CALLS !!!!!

  225. lavanyamurali said

    NOW EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD KNOW THAT MR. SANJAM LIKE ABUSERS ARE VERY BAD PERSONS !!!!!

    You are the biggest abuser of all, but you do not consider yourself as a bad person. I find that strange. Its possibly so because of your mental illness.

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT RAPE !!!!!

    Wrong. Rape is present in the animal kingdom in at least 15 diff animal species. They help researchers study aggression, behavioral genetics and allied thought processes in humans. You can make a good substitute for such studies.

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!

    Even a kindergarten kid knows that. But you do not. You follow a rapist prophet, spread lies about hindu gods and then talk politics.

    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE NO CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    There is taxonomic hierarchical classification for animals. There is inheritance in programming in even the machine world. Humans, being the socially intelligent creatures, have always evolved to ‘higher’ social varnas. In future humans will evolve completely out of varna and that will happen (and is happening) only because of economic liberalization. Politicians like you will then (soon) be trashed for restricting progress.

    MOST OF THE VISITORS TO THIS BLOG READ IT WITH A GOOD TASTE TO KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIRS VAIDIK ABUSER FOLLOWERS !!!!!

    Most people to whom i have recommended this blog visit it for laughs. Even teenage kids cannot control their laughter. They find you a funny old mad man. Only you take yourself seriously, no one else does.

    I RECEIVE DAILY EMAILS AND APPRECIATION CALLS !!!!!

    Good for you. It is understood that you will continue to beat your own trumpet even if there are no valves and knobs (typical of people who promise a bridge where there is no river).

    Bye and God Bless.

  226. PAPPU KUNDANPURI said

    DR. M.R.SATISH RAO SHOULD CHECK THE MENTAL LEVEL OF MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE .

    MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”

    BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
    2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
    3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child

    MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .

  227. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! BRAHMA , VISHANU AND INDIRA WERE NOT DIFFERENT FROM BEASTS WHO RAPED LIKED BEASTS !!!!!

    HOW LONG WILL M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( ? ) ?

    lavanyamurali said,

    November 26, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
    EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
    Wrong. Rape is present in the animal kingdom in at least 15 diff animal species. They help researchers study aggression, behavioral genetics and allied thought processes in humans. You can make a good substitute for such studies.

  228. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE FIRST OF ALL SOLVE YOUR FAMILY PROBLEMS !!!!!

    PLEASE DO NOT WORSHIP THE EVILS !!!!!

    PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE ANY BODY IF YOU ARE STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF EVILS !!!!!

    Mesquiteice said,

    December 1, 2008 @ 12:46 pm

    Chumber,

    I prefer mesquiteice-ul-haq.

    Please read chapter 109

    109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion

    I wish to correct one more this. I did not write anything against Hazrat Mohammed. You are the one calling others Allah as bad. I only wanted to show you that problems are everywhere.

    mesquiteice said,

    November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am

    Chumber,

    Please let me know your latest stand on:-

    1) Why people pray to Allah
    2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
    3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child

  229. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I THANK MR. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA AND MR. PAPPU KUNDANPURI FOR THEIR VIEWS .

  230. lavanyamuralidharan said

    Chumber,

    In your article on intercaste marriage here: http://ambedkartimes.com/c_l_chumber.htm , you have said DO INTERCASTE MARRIAGE YOUR SELF OR YOUR CHILDREN TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT CASTE!!!!!

    I want to tell you that if Bill Gates were single and a chamar, all girls in India would want to marry him.

    In arranged marriages itself people are careful, in inter-caste arranged marriages you can imagine how much more choosy people will be. No arranged marriage happens without being beneficial or fruitful to both parties in some way or the other.

    First make yourself mentally strong to come up to a good position. Achieve it, then automatically, you will find prospective brides will come to you for you and your abilities, not for your caste.

    You have also published your address and phone number on that webpage and a number of articles. I very much admire and appreciate your efforts to uplift our brethern. At the same time i again request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.

    You are free to ridicule me for repeating this, but i want to say this clearly:: I am Sorry for abusing you.

    As mesquiteice said, you are a potential masterpiece, capable of achieving great heights. I only request you to make your ideas of growth a collective one, instead of a divisive one.

    Your hatered for brahmins and hindu gods is deep-rooted, the reasons for which I still cannot understand, since you are living on stories of expression by various authors; And presumably, have not looked for God within yourself.

    Nobody can say all brahmins are bad or all dalits are good or vice versa. Let us stop associating anyone with caste. Anyways the caste system is a dying institution and will be gone due to this liberal economic atmosphere.

    I have no qualms accepting anyone as a priest, but the temple positions must not be decided by politicians, otherwise i will not accept such a priest. Anyone wilI accept anyone who prays for them and their loved ones with a willing earnest heart.

    In the present time, nobody can stop you from progressing in any way you want to. I wish you the very best in everything you do. And a final repetition:: please do not abuse the hindu faith.

  231. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THIS IS MY FULL WRITING SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY KNOW IN DETAIL !

    The same day I received a book titled “How to win any argument –Do not raise your voice, lose your cool or come to blows “written by Mr. Robert Mayer as a gift on renewing the subscription of renowned magazine the Reader’s Digest. We will also argue to discuss this incident. First of all, we have sympathy for both gentlemen. But they are wrong that they belong to higher Jatt caste .In Varna / caste system, no one is higher than Brahmin. The Hindu Bhagwan Krishna said in his Gita that women, vaish and shudra varnas are impure .This means Brahmins born to women are automatically impure and equivalent to other castes / varnas. That is why Adi-Mahagurus Ravidass and Kabir challenged Brahmin’s supermacy. Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass said there is no difference between God and livings. There is only difference like gold and ornaments made out of it, water and its currents. Adi-Mahaguru Kabir dared to challenge the Brahmin priest class that all are born equals. If the Brahmin is superior to others then he must be born another way. Adi-Mahaguru Kabir was so deadly against the Brahmins that he not only denounced the Hinduism but also warned their followers to beware of the Hindu Gods. He said in his couplet that Ram is my father-in-law and I am his son-in-law, Ram is my brother-in -law (sala) and I am his Jija. Again Adi-Mahaguru Kabir warned that the person who worships Ram s/o Dashrath is a worst than dog and will go to hell! Adi-Mahaguru Namdev founder of the Bhakti movement said that the Hindu is a blind and Turak (Muslim) is blemished. In the same way Guru Nanak preached his first sermon at Sultanpur Lodhi that there was neither Hindu nor Musalman. All are equals.

    Let us search our hearts. Are we equals despite our gurus preaching? Are we equals despite our Indian constitution recognizes us equals? Are we equals in our foreign country when our respective country’s constitution recognizes us equals. The Jatts and other backward classes treated us untouchables. Why? Brahmins, Kshattriyas and Vaishes treated us untouchables. Then what is the difference between the castiest Brahmins and Jatts. The ‘ Karhah parshad “of untouchables was not accepted even in the Golden Temple, Amritsar upto 12 th October, 1920. The Khalsa community ( untouchables ) arranged a rally on 11 and 12 Oct.1920 in the Jallianwala Bagh , Amritsar against the untouchability in the Sikh Gurudwaras especially in the Golden Temple .Prof. Teja Singh in his autobiography named ” Aarsi” recorded this historical incident .This book is published by the Punjabi University, Patiala . Mr. Ruchi Ram Sahni also wrote a book in English on the Gurdwaras reform movement which was published by the S.G.P.C. Amritsar . The S.G.P.C., Amritsar also published a book in Punjabi named “Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee Da Itihaas “in which the un-touchability in the Golden Temple is recorded. S. Daljit Singh M.P. wrote biography of Prof. Ditt Ram Gyani @ Prof. Ditt Singh Gyani in which he recorded the un-touchability in the Golden Temple. He wrote that the untouchables were allowed in the Golden Temple between 11.00 A.M. to!.00 P.M. when theirs shadows fell below theirs own feet and did not fell on touchable! I am proud of my forefathers who participated in the movement against untouchability in the Golden Temple and two our forefathers Bhai Gulab Singh and Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh sacrificed theirs lives in the Nankana Sahib Gurdwara tragedy .The Punjabi book of S.G.P.C. and the’ Sikh Leadership ‘ of G.N.D. University, Amritsar published theirs profiles with photographs . The S.G.P.C. appointed our uncle S. Balwant Singh who retired as officer. Advocate S. Narinder Singh two times president of the Distt. Bar Association is his daughter’s son. The residents of our ancestral village Hussain Abad (Saina bad) P.O. Sarih Tehsil Nakodar District Jalandhar (on Nakodar-Phagwara road and on Jalandhar -Ferozepur via Nakodar railway line) erected a building in memory of martyrs Bhai Gulab Singh Chumber and Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh Chumber .We are proud of our forefathers who laid down their lives by burning alive to stop the un-touchability practice. The S.G.P.C. and all Akali Dals dominated by Jatts do not highlight this movement which is just like Dr. Ambawdekar`s movements of Kala Ram temple entry and Mahad Tank!

    But the manuwadis again posesed the Gurdwaras and changed the committee under S. Sunder Singh Ramgarhia .The movement against untouchability was initiated under Bhai Mehtab Singh, the backward class Arain Muslim turned Sikh of village Baka Pur a village situated on G. T. Road NH-1 in between Ludhiana and Jalandhar nearest to Phillaur a Tehsil H .Q. and Bhai Bajaj (Ravidassia caste) of village Jandu Singha on Jalandhar-Hoshiarpur road. My grandfather S. Dhanna Singh Chumber @ Bapu Dhanna Ram Chumber’s in-laws was in village Jandu Singha. The Bhapas and now Jatts dominated S. G. P. C. and Akali Dals finished Bhai Bir and Bhai Bajaj from history. On 12th Oct. 2000, I celebrated the Rights Day (Adhikar Divas) in the Desh Bhagat Yaadgar Hall, Jalandhar City to commemorate the end of untouchability in the Golden Temple on 12th Oct.1920, the sanction of some rights to the untouchables by the Governor of Punjab due to the struggle of gadhrite Baba Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia’s Adi-Dharam Mandal, Baba Banda Bahadur`s Victory on a town which falls on 12th Oct., Dr. Ambawdekar`s a victory against untouchability fell on 12th Oct. The Badal Govt. some B.S.P. leaders of Jalandhar to torpedo the programme so that the people of all walks may not join under the leadership of Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram Ji. He was our chief guest. Those B.S.P .leaders are now SAD (BADAL) `s workers!

    The Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass adi-dwara committee’s decision is right because the Jatts hates scheduled castes .That is why the Adi-Dharmis built theirs separate Adi-Dwaras . The Adi-Dharam is a separate religion and have no connection with any another religion .Mahatma Sant Singh Azad @ Sant Ram Azad of village Nangal Shahidan ( on Hoshiarpur-Mahilpur road) also participated in the Nankana Sahib Gurdwara reform movement. A Jatt of his village said,” Aa bai Santia .Tun bi aa gian (Come in Santia. Have you also come?” Mahatma Sant Ram Azad did not reply and left the place. After some time, Azad Ji came back.” what is your appearance?’ The same Jatt asked. “You did not treat me as S. Sant Singh Azad .Therefore I am now clean shaven and Mahatma Sant Ram Azad!” Azad Ji said.

    Ghadri Baba Babu Ram Muggowalia founded the Adi-Dharam Mandal branch at Raikot town in Ludhiana Distt. The untouchables of a nearby village Sehjarha on Raikot-Barnala road built a Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass’s Adi-Dwara .The Jatts of the village and surrounding area reported the Police. The village was under the jurisdiction of the Patiala Princely state and the Maharaja ordered to put the responsible untouchables behind the bars! S. Gurbakhsh Singh Rahi (of Barnala) an SGPC missionary recorded this tragedy in his auto-biography in Punjabi because Sehjarha is his ancestral village! Sant Jaswant Singh Ghawadhi @ Sant Jamuna Das Ghawaddi was a staunch follower of Adi-Dharam and he wrote half dozen books on Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass Ji in Punjabi and Hindi languages. Baba Muggowalia mentioned his name in his auto-biographical essay. I visited this village first of all with Mr. Sutey Parkash Ahir Canada`s elder brother in 1980 AD. In Ghawadhi village situated on Ludhiana-Malerkotla road near village Sarinh .Some Sikhs ordered untouchables to close down all the Gurdwaras except Jatt-Gurdwara. An untouchable Sikh retired teacher argued that there are Gurdwaras of Ravidasias, Mazabhis, Kumihars and Jatts in our village. Let us draw a lottery of all Gurdwaras. We will open the Gurdwara of which name will be in draw. The Jatts dropped the idea!

    There was a seminar on Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass in Feb.2008 arranged by DAV College, Dasuya (Hoshiarpur). I also participated. A Sikh Professor of Guru Gobind Singh College, Garhdiwala (Hoshiarpur) objected that Guru Ravidass is Bhagat not Guru .I asked that you are not great than Guru Gobind Singh .Guru Ji said that there will be no Guru after him. Adi-Granth will be Guru Granth sahib. I argued that if Vani / Bani is Guru then the writers of these Bani are Mahaguru! Mr. Manohar Lal Mahey of Vigilant Brotherhood, Jalandhar was so happy on this development that he at once cried with over joy,” Chumber sahib! Now there will be a compromise on Guru! “I said,” I will not do Puna Pact. We are separate identity!” I wrote Adi-Mahagurus from that day.” The Sikh Gurus praised/followed our Adi-Mahagurus! But their Sikhs hate us without any reason. I wrote in their side and got registered a case against me under TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A .They neither protected me nor appreciated. A Sikh intellectual S. Ajmer Singh pursuing me to hand over him a copy of the special issue on Punjab Problem of the “Kaumi Udarian” so that he may write about me but I refused to hand over it because his a close friend and Sikh News paper group had a clear hand in my road accident at Phagwara on 7th Feb.1997 in which I lost my two brothers (from community) for ever. An aimless person quarrels with each others. The persons having aim, dedication and concentration co-operate, co-ordinate with each others.

    The Jatt Sikhs never started a social reform movement. They ask the govt. to give them the Australian rate of wheat but they will never agree for Australian rate for labour. Mr. Sahota and Mr. Shergill boasted that Jatts are high caste. Dr. Jagjit Singh in his book ‘Sikh Revolution” wrote that in Mughal period a Jatt had to appear in the court with a dog due to his lower caste. The Jatt is not a caste. The Punjab Language Department., Patiala published a book “Punjab Castes” .There is a table in which the number person of each caste is written who converted to Jatts. This is the census 1881 AD. I had also seen the same type table in census 1931 AD.

    Today I had seen the prospectus of the Layalpur Khalsa College, Jalandhar City full of Jatts Management committee. The same position of Sikh colleges at Nakodar, Phagwara, Sangh Dhesian, Banga, Garh Shankar, Mahilpur, Garhdiwala etc. The Jatts (majority) have surrendered to Hinduism through S. Parkash Singh Badal. He is the Chief Minister of Punjab. His only son is the president of the ruling party. His brother`s son is the Khaa-jana minister. His daughter`s husband is also cabinet minister. His daughter-in-law`s brother is also cabinet minister. Another relative S. Janmeja Singh is also a cabinet minister. Another relative is also an M.L.A. from Jalandhar Cantt. The poor Jatts are committing suicides and S. Badal`s kitchen cabinet is enjoying. This may be recorded in the Guinness and Limca record books!

    We appreciate the NRI Adi-Dharamis for building Adi-Dwaras. Now they must open at least one college in a Tehsil so that the education mission may be completed as early as possible. I have produced my three children as managers in MNCs. I had pledged my sweet home with a nationalized bank for my children’s higher study. Now they are repaying the loan. Please hate our socio-economic status. This will be improved by higher professional study only. DO OR DIE FOR COMING GENERATION. DON`T BLAME OTHERS. BE UNITED & FIGHT FOR OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.THANKS.

    Posted on http://www.ambedkartimes.com (July 18, 2008 )

  232. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR BRAHMA WHO TRIED HIS BEST 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
    OR
    WORSHIPING , DEFENDENG AND GLORIFYING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS ( ? ) ARE NOT RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS !!!!!

    lavanyamuralidharan said,

    December 3, 2008 @ 10:45 am

    Chumber,

    I only request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.

  233. lavanyamuralidharan said

    THIS IS MY FULL WRITING SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY KNOW IN DETAIL !
    ——–

    Nice article. In some places you have mixed disparate things together.

    Hope you understand that people may look for a common culture, and therefore may marry within the same grouping, for an life free from adjustment probs.

    However, hope you will realize that AFTER people come up to a certain stage in life, they do not marry for caste.

  234. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said

    HE ( CHUMBER ) WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .

    mesquiteice said,

    December 2, 2008 @ 7:59 am

    Ram Krishan Sharma,

    Like you I also feel bad. Not only sanjam, a lot of others have also been abusing chumber. Some of them have even apologised and requested chumber to behave himself.

    YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGESE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER . WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .

    But one thing you should you should understand is that Mr.Chumber, has been abusing everybody. How can Mr. Chumber who does not know how to respect others and their faiths ever be respected by others.

    MR. CHUMBER PASTED YOUR ABUSES . YOU MAY PASTE HIS ABUSES BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST HIM EXEPT ABUSING HIM . YOU PEOPLE EVEN SAID ,” LAXMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S MOTHER AND SISTERS .” IS THIS YOUR FAITH . YOU PEOPLE WROTE ” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE .

    Give Respect and Take Respect

    FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE . ABUSERS CAN NEVER GET RESPECT EVEN FROM SLAVES .

    I request your goodself to advice chumber to “Live and Let Live”.

    I CAN NOT ADVISE MR. CHUMBER TO ” LIVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ” . I EVEN ADVISE HIM TO SHOOT THE HABITUAL ABUSER GANG SO THAT PEOPLE MAY LEARN A GOOD LESSON .

    He is continously abusing other faiths, our country, the judiciary etc.

    HE IS NOT ABUSING . HE SHED LIGHT ON OUR FILTHY RELIGIOUS , ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WITH REFERENCES . HE HAS REPRODUCED THE LIST OF CORRUPT ONE SITTING JUDGE OF SUPREME COURT , 10 HIGH COURT JUDGES AND 25 DISTT. SESSION JUDGES FROM THE OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEEKLY MAGAZINE . DO YOU LIKE CORRUTION OR HONESTY .MR. CHUMBER IS VERY HONEST PERSON .

    While i feel sorry for chumber as much as you do, how can we stop sanjam unless chumber stops abusing others faiths.

    YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .ONE THING IS CLEAR FROM THE WRITINGS OF CHUMBER , HE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND HE WILL DEFINITELY PUT SANJAM LIKE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS . HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL LEGALLY .WE ARE WITH TRUTH , OTHERWISE THE COMMUNAL HATERED FEELINGS WILL DEVELOP .

    You said”Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber ”

    I ask you “Who have authorised Mr. Chumber to abuse others faiths and gods and religions”

    YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .

    Just like you i also know that Chumber is a potential champion. Let us hope that he will behave himself and create a atmosphere for everybody will respect him.

    HE IS FIGHTING WITH YOU WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT TO CREATE A ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT TO EVERYONE . ABUSERS CAN GIVE NO RESPECT AND WILL GET DISRESPECT .WHEN MR. CHUMBER WILL PUT THIS HINDU GODS IN PRESS CONFERENCES AS HE ANNOUNCED WHAT WILL BE OUR STAND .HE WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .

    Now as far as you are concerned ” Who have authorised you to represent entire community and humanity”. Please dont preach hatered. If you believe your gods are outdated that is your own belief.

    YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE MODERN MAIN HINDU SAINTS ARE MAINLY SHUDRAS .IT IS TRUE THAT OUR GODS OUT OF DATE . NEITHER YOU NOR I AM REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY COMMUNITY . THE COMMUNITES ARE REBUILDING .I DO NOT PREACH HATERED .

    Why are you using “OUR”. If you believe so you are free to choose which ever god you feel is on date. This why people did not like Chumber. Dont repeat the same things.

    THE BAD PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE AND VICE VERSA .I LIKE AND RESPECT MR. CHUMBER LIKE REVOLUTIONARY THINKER .

    Just like you feel that your god is outdated others feel that their gods are up to date.

    WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD . OBAMA BEING A BLACK WON THE WHITE HOUSE DUE TO HIS SLOGAN ” WE CAN DO .” RACISTS AND FASCISTS WILL BE DETHRONED EVERY WHERE WHETHER IN RELIGIOUS FIELD .

    Did anybody ask you wheter their gods are upto date.

    DID ANYONE ASK TO ANSWER TO MY VIEWS ?

    We are all Indians. Learn to respect others and everybody will respect you.

    THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSING MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA ? AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE IN BRAHMA , WE CAN NOT RESPECT EACH OTHER DUE TO HIS CASIEST MENTALITY .

    DO YOU RESPECT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST DEVILS ? I NEED RESPECT FROM RESPECTFUL PERSONS .

  235. C.L.CHUMBER said

    EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER

    EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM including CHUMBER

    lavanyamuralidharan said,

    December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

    I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?

  236. concernedsaneperson said

    I was looking up stuff for a report and I see this? What the fuck? What kina pot are you people smokin’? what the hell is a dalit? what the hell is a brahmin? Were you even alive when Hitler came? I thought you were all exinct, no offense.

    (P.S. these are serious questions that I am asking and these are not intended to offend)

  237. SanJAm said

    Chumber, you know whats happening here?
    when bastards like you dont know who brought you to this world and for what? the likes of you then gather all the trash around you and try to hurl bullshit on others.
    we all know that ram krishan sharma, and pappu kundanpuri are fictitious characters or invited by chumber.
    and if any of you have any balls then reveal your contact details, and i will get you crucified upside down; that’ll mean, you’d have your balls nailed.
    bloody anemic pricks.
    chumber,,, the slime and shmuck that you are, jerks like you are only good for sewage!
    none of the spineless bastards or prickless retards like chumber had the shame of condemning dastardly attacks on Mumbai.
    i seriously dont understand what the likes of you are doing in this country.
    the kind of momentum that is building in this country, it wont be long when the youth of today will strip bastard politicians like chumber and tie them up at street corners for everyone to kick them and spit on them!
    and if anybody wants to side with chumber, let me inform them, that I’m gathering a huge group of youth and we are going to visit hoshiarpur or any of the hole where chumber and his rats are hiding.
    it wont be long before i catch you chumber,,, and you’d find out soon who’d be behind bars and getting sodomized by police batons!
    SO GET READY AND START THE COUNTDOWN!

  238. lavanyamuralidharan said

    Sanjam,

    I request you not to abuse Chumber like this.

    We do not want this conversation to become abusive trash.

    It is good that Chumber is expressing himself. I thought only a self-appointed “dravidian” can spew as much hate, but it is amazing that a northie repeats the same things. We want him to be able to express things openly (even if its repetitive, please bear, coz at some point or the other some more will come out).

    I wonder what is it with these “Indians” – they live in India, eat from this soil, and yet they do not understand their role in allowing themselves to become stooges to hidden-hands.

    It has become common to make politics out of religion, caste, language…but apparently Chumber does not realize that using such things to justify secessionism is sedition.

    Apart from the dravidian ideology, i find it disappointingly surprising that exactly the same excuses are being linked to an apparent seperatist tendency by a man who is calls himself a self-appointed leader of the dalits in a state like Punjab (but then considering it is Punjab, i suppose one shd not find it surprising at all).

    Having said all of this, it is imperative to understand that Chumber speaks ONLY for himself. Not for the other financially-downtrodden ones (i don’t like the term dalit).

    Please do not use the words of chumber to show anger on other financially-downtrodden ones.

  239. C.L .CHUMBER said

    MR. SANJAM IS A VERY GOOD ABUSER BUT VERY POOR IN REASONING !!!!!

  240. C.L .CHUMBER said

    TERROR OVER INDIA’S FINANCIAL CAPITAL MUMBAI!
    – C.L.CHUMBER

    On 26th November midnight , the financial capital of world’s most populated democratic country India faced a multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including the crowded Chhatarpati Shivaji Terminus railway station and two five-star hotels – Oberai and Taj. The situation was so tense and under no control that the government had to call in the Army to assist in defusing the situation. It is reported that more than 101 persons died and 250 injured.

    Mr. A. N. Roy, DGP Maharashtra said tonight’s attack in ” at least seven places” is a” terror strike.” Mr. Roy continued,” The suspected terrorists struck in a number of places. Terrorists have opened in discriminate firing with automatic weapons.” In Delhi , the union Home Ministry said it was keeping a close watch on the situation and would provide all necessary assistance to the state government. The firing is reported near BMC headquarter, Hilton Holtel in Nariman Point and Vile Parle. It is reported that two terrorists gunned down.

    An IPS officer Mr. Ashok Marutirao Kamte was killed while fighting terrorists at Metro Cinema in the city along with Mr. Vijay Salaskar an encounter specialist. Mr. Hemant Karkare, chief of the Anti-Terrorism Squad was also killed when he was leading an poeration at hotel Taj against terrorists. He was probing the Malegaon blast case. Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister condemned the terror attacks in Mumbai and assured all help.

    The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
    The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.

    (Image: http://www.thestandard.com) Posted on Nobember 30, 2008 http://WWW.AMBEDKARTIMES.COM

  241. lavanyamuralidharan said

    The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
    The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
    —————

    Chumber,

    What you have written is certainly wrong.

    When you say “That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights” – it is clear that you are in agreement with violence taken up for “solution of their legitimate rights”.

    When you say “Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?” – then you are connecting a terror situation with a political situation.

    When you say “The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible?” – you are obviously connecting an economic situation with a terror situation.

    Connecting either a political or economic situation with a terror attack is one thing but saying they took up arms as solution for legitimate rights just alludes to one thing:: That you agree with the violent attacks.

    Finally when you say “We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world” – its like lip service, a covered up double-standard statement – its just like Pakistan accepting that terror elements operate from their soil but are stateless actors – a farce that no one beleives. Which is why no one is beleiveing in you either.

    You end with the note “We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century” – why are you asking NRIs to help? Are you are referring to past people who funded stuff? If yes, why are you making such references in such a terror-attack situation?

    BTW, Can you clarify why you are against Gandhiji in full detail ?

    Thanks.

  242. me said

    me said,

    December 11, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

    See: http://manukhsi.blogspot.com/2008/11/salute-to-brave-soul-who-fought-for-her.html

    Dalitnation has accepted that “”Some of the muslim and Christian organizations have pledged us support…….We are based in Mumbai and London.””.

  243. C.L.CHUMBER said

    I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .

  244. lavanyamuralidharan said

    Chumber,

    You called Gandhi a Scounderel.

    You called freedom-fighters derisively as communal.

    You refer to the British on praising terms; as though they are your saviours.

    You seem proud to state this with an exclamatory mark that “The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! “.

    You never want to extend your research to Christianity or Islam.

    You are quick to defend negative things pointed out from Islam.

    You have never said anything negative about Christianity, though things like incest have been recorded there.

    You claim to be an Adi-Dharmi, which is just a political religion based on twisting around things from Hinduism, with help from missionaries. It is you guys that are messing with Rama and Krishna; and propagate negative things about the Vaishnava faith just as Periyar did in the south. You political writers have changed Ram of Kabir as different from Ram of Ramayan. You guys question Shiva and are intent on creating a non-existent Shiva-Vishnu divide.

    You put forward the demand of wanting to be recognized as a seperate religion; even though there is nothing original in Adi-Dharm.

    Now i ask you::

    If you are recognized as a seperate religion, what do you want to do about it now? There are no British to give you a seperate nation like Pakistan. There are no whites to help propagate the aryan-dravidian divide anymore; since scientific evidence is contrary to such ‘historical’ claims. You guys blamed your own country-men for your poverty based on caste (while it was the muslim and christian invaders like british that are in fact responsible for your poverty).

    The Indian government has given you everything possible to make you guys educationally sound and materially wealthy. Then why do you still talk as though you are a deprived lot?

    You said that if you are given a seperate religion status, you will not ask for reservations anymore. Is that your own conclusion or do all your Ambedkar-Organizations agree to that? If you are recognized as a seperate religion, will you agree and accept if all government-based incentives are completely removed from you? Please reply.

  245. Ltn said

    Chumber,

    You called Gandhi a Scounderel.

    You called freedom-fighters derisively as communal.

    You refer to the British on praising terms; as though they are your saviours.

    You seem proud to state this with an exclamatory mark that “The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! “.

    You never want to extend your research to Christianity or Islam.

    You are quick to defend negative things pointed out from Islam.

    You have never said anything negative about Christianity, though things like incest have been recorded there.

    You claim to be an Adi-Dharmi, which is just a political religion based on twisting around things from Hinduism, with help from missionaries. It is you guys that are messing with Rama and Krishna; and propagate negative things about the Vaishnava faith just as Periyar did in the south. You political writers have changed Ram of Kabir as different from Ram of Ramayan. You guys question Shiva and are intent on creating a non-existent Shiva-Vishnu divide.

    You put forward the demand of wanting to be recognized as a seperate religion; even though there is nothing original in Adi-Dharm.

    Now i ask you::

    If you are recognized as a seperate religion, what do you want to do about it now? There are no British to give you a seperate nation like Pakistan. There are no whites to help propagate the aryan-dravidian divide anymore; since scientific evidence is contrary to such ‘historical’ claims. You guys blamed your own country-men for your poverty based on caste (while it was the muslim and christian invaders like british that are in fact responsible for your poverty).

    The Indian government has given you everything possible to make you guys educationally sound and materially wealthy. Then why do you still talk as though you are a deprived lot?

    You said that if you are given a seperate religion status, you will not ask for reservations anymore. Is that your own conclusion or do all your Ambedkar-Organizations agree to that? If you are recognized as a seperate religion, will you agree and accept if all government-based incentives are completely removed from you? Please reply.

    —————

    And don’t bother that am posting under another name. That was actually my confession – my name is not lavanyamuralidharan. None of the personal identifiers i give out anywhere are ever fully accurate. Am not a coward, just private and whenever there been a necessity, have not shirked from standing up for my responsibilites. So if there is a necessity you will know my details. And i don;t care that you will make twist it for your dumbedkar image.

  246. happyhindu said

    Am posting this for the nth time since you have been deleting it. You guys are clearly cowards and suckers. Whats the use of maintaining a blog and writing dumb articles — just to beg for money or go to the UK, is it?
    —————————————-

    C.L.CHUMBER said,
    December 12, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
    I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .
    ———————-

    Chumber,

    Since you suffer from selective (political) amnesia due to de-arranged (deranged) neuronic activity, am reproducing some your views on Gandhi:

    NOTE to others:
    To people who want to know more about Mangu Ram Muggowalia (a political ‘guru’ and British supporter), please read on why he wanted a seperate identity for Dalits as a seperate ‘religion’. Also please read about Poona Pact for Gandhi Vs Ambedkar.

    My views: The Brits did not want a single united India, they wanted it divided in the name of religion and caste. Parts of the rubbish put forward by Muggowalia in the pre-independence days would certainly amount to sedition now; apart from big chunks of it being anti-constitutional.

    The stooge-bags also twisted Hindusim around to found Ad-dharam, a politcal-religion based on nothing but ’shudra’ caste division. The writings of Kabir and Valmiki happen to be such “twisted-around” examples. No one cares about such rubbish now. Just that it happen to serve as great fodder for wannabe Prime-ministers And for missionaries too…And yeah, it looks like they can also easily go to the UK.

    ————————————–

    1]

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
    ” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
    6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.

    ———————————–

    2]

    C,L.CHUMBER said,
    August 4, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
    WHY NOT BRAHMINS CHANGE THEIRS COMMUNITY NAME AS HARIJAN ? ? ? ? ?
    When Mr. M.K. Gandhi gave a name Harijan to the ex-untouchables ( SCs ) , Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia said ,” You Hindus are Harijans ! ” The Brahmins still mind if they are called Harijans – Sons of God !!!! Why ?

    —————————

    3]

    C .L . CHUMBER said,
    September 19, 2008 @ 6:01 am
    MR.M.K.GANDHI APPOSED THE DALIT CAUSE AND EVEN TOOK FAST-UNTO-DEATH IN THE YERVADA PRISON , PUNE AGAINST THE DALIT CAUSE !!!!!

    —————————–

    4]

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    October 2, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
    THE HINDU RASHTRA`S RASHTARPITA MR. M.K.GANDHI WAS A STAUNCH FLLOWER OF HINDU GOD RAM AND RAM RAJYA .

    —————–

    5]

    C,L.CHUMBER said,
    August 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
    UNTOUCHABLES ( SCs) ARE NOT HINDUS .SCs ARE A SEPARATE ELEMENT !!!!!

    ——————-

    6]

    C,L.CHUMBER said,
    August 9, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
    ..the above whole writing is DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR in his book ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLE .” ( PAGE 183 ,JAN.1991,) I HAVE JUST PRESENTED IT.

    ——————————

    7]

    C.L.CHUMBER said,
    April 14, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
    DR.Ambedkar delivered speeches in the Round Table Conferences in London that untouchables are a separate element in Indian society and he won by the communal award declared on 17th Aug.1932 but he lost by signing Gandhi-Ambedkar pact(Pune Pact).In March 1929,he wrote an editorial of his Bahishkrit Bharat weekly that untouchables must convert to Islam & there is no need to convert to Arya Samaj or Budhaism ! Before 53 days of his pre-nirvan, he embraced Budhaism.! In 1945 AD,he wrote a book`What congress & Gandhi have done to the untochables?` & in 1947 he took oath as minister in Nehru cabinet ! In 1945 he wrote a chapter`Are not untouchables a separate elements ?`in his master piece book `What congress &—-?` Next year he wrote a book to establish that untouchables are ex-Kashatary.!DR .Ambedkar denounced his pact with Mr.Gandhi.
    ——————————–

    8]

    Please note Chumber’s demands in the last 2 lines of this note:

    C. L . CHUMBER said,
    May 5, 2008 @ 4:26 am
    The govt.declared the communal award on 17th 1932 in which untouchables were recognised as separate element as Hindus ,Sikhs, Muslims and Anglo-Indians .But the manuwadi Mr Mohan Dass Karam Chand Gandhi declared his fast-unto-death against untouchables`separate equal status ! There was a Gandhi-Ambedkar pact ( Pune Pact ) on 24th sept.1932.The untouchables ( now SCs ) lost their separate identity to the Hindus & got some more seats on joint electorate basis in assemblies as well as reservation in govt. jobs.
    Later on Dr.Ambedkar wrote a chapter `Poona Pact-A mean deal` in his book `What congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables ?`Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia14.1.1886-22.4.1980 ) founder president of the Adi-dharam mandal was also against Poona Pact. .Sahib Kanshi Ram in his book `THE CHAMCHA AGE-AN ERA OF THE STOOGES` wrote that Poona-pact produced dalit- stooges of the Hindus.Please amend the Indian constitution and codify SCs, STs and OBCs as separate elements as Hindus,Muslims and Christians and we will not avail reservation .Secondly give the Sikhs,Buddhists Jains also a separate religions status .
    —————

    9]

    C,L.CHUMBER said,
    August 9, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
    UNTOUCHABLES( SCs )ARE NOT HINDUS.THEY HAVE A SEPARATE IDENTITY !!!!!
    -DR.AMBEDKAR IN ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
    HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
    *****ACCORDING TO THIS TERMINOLOGY ,HINDUS ARE CALLED SAVARNAS AND OF THE UNTOUCHABLES AS PANCHAMAS .SUCH A TERMINOLOGY COULD NOT HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE IF SEPARATION HAD NOT BECOME SO PROMINENT AND ITS OBSERVANCE SI NECESSARY AS TO REQUIRE COINING OF SPECIAL TERMS TO GIVE EXPRESSION TO THE FACT .
    *****

    ===========================================

    And Chumber typically loves the British:

    1]

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    August 25, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
    NEITHER BRAHMINS NOR SHANKRACHARYA EVER HELPED SHUDRAS !!!!! We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins !

    ——————-

    2]

    C . L. CHUMBER said,
    September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
    BRITISHERS GAVE US CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY, GOVT.( LEGISLATURE, EXECUTIVE , JUDICIARY ),RAILWAYS , COMMUNICATION,POSTAL ,ENGLISH , GOVT. SCHOOLS , AIRLINES !!!!!

    (Note: also please note that Christian missionaries always seem to like to mention a ‘few good words’ about the white masters who still control their minds).
    ——————————

    3]

    C . L. CHUMBER said,
    September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
    M/S Bhagat Singh , Chander Shekhar and Subash Chander Bose were communal .They fought for their own liberation .They did not fought for SCs , STs and OBCs .Chander Shekhar Azad used to wear the sacred thread out of his shirt which Shudra can not wear .Mr . S.C.Bose opposed the legal rights of SCs . Bhagat Singh was an Arya Samaji which is against the SCs,STs , OBCs , Sikhs,Muslims,Buddhists and Jains .( Please read the daya Nand `s Satyarth Parksh.
    ——————————–

    Posting Chumber’s writing from another blog:

    C,L.CHUMBER (20:56:32) :
    I BELIEVED TEMPLE ENTRY WOULD MAKE THEM EQUAL MEMBERS IN AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HINDU SOCIETY ? – AMBEDKAR !!!!! ( 3rd March , 1932 )
    Dear Viwers ,
    In Punjab an arain obc muslim Karim Bakhsh converted to Sikhism .His son Bhai Mehtab Singh Bir initiated a movement against the untouchability in the Golden Temple at Amritsar by arranging a two day conference 11 and 12 october ,1920 at the Jallianwala Bagh , Amritsar .
    In Punjab Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia an untouchable migrated to U.S.A. in Dec.,1909 and became a leader of the evolutionary organization the Gadhar Party founded on 13th April,1913 . S.Sohan Singh Bhakna and Lala Hardyal were its president and general secretary respectively .( Pl visit ambedkartimes.com for more on Baba Muggowalia ).
    He founded the Adi-dharem Mandal on 11-12 June,1926 in a vast rally at his village Muggowal distt.Hoshiarpur.His Adi-dharam Mandal said that they are neither Hindus nor the Hindus belong to us .They declared that our religion and people had a separate identity and our Adi-mahagurus are Valmik,Namdev,Ravidas,Kabir and other shudra saints.They said that they are the aboriginals of India and the Hindus ( Brahmins,Kshattrya and vaish are the foreigner Aryans.The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! Dr. Ambedkar appreciated this move in his book the S” Source material on Baba Sahib Ambedkar” .
    Baba Sahib Ambedkar should follow the Adi-dharam and not sign on the Poona Pact which he denounced later on in his book ” what Congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables .”
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    Regards.

  247. C.L .CHUMBER said

    I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .

    lavanyamuralidharan said,

    December 11, 2008 @ 7:15 am

  248. happyhindu said

    I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
    ———-

    Chumber, you are the last person that shd be talking about ethics.

    You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal and claimed that dalits are a seprate element (not hindus).

    You also said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times. Write with all details.

    It wud be interesting to see how the rest of the so-called self-appointed dalits react.

  249. C.L .CHUMBER said

    WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?

  250. C.L .CHUMBER said

    WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?

    happyhindu said,

    December 17, 2008 @ 2:06 am

    Chumber, ….
    You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal

  251. happyhind said

    WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
    —————-

    It is a difficult situation when one suffers from verbal diarrhea as well as political amnesia at the same time….everything you have written is also saved up chumber…take a look below:

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
    ” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
    6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.

  252. hh said

    C.L .CHUMBER said,
    December 17, 2008 @ 2:44 pm

    WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
    ———————————–

    Already posted this but your dear dalitnation deleted it. Its the mark of a perfect politician to suffer from politicial amnesia and retract words. But remember that everything you have written has been saved. Please read below:

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
    ” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
    6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.

  253. happyhindu said

    Next time do not forget what you write. Take a look below:

    C . L . CHUMBER said,
    September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
    ” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
    6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.

  254. C.L .CHUMBER said

    I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
    scoundrel ?

  255. C.L .CHUMBER said

    WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
    IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?

  256. happyhindu said

    I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
    scoundrel ?
    ——————-

    Chumber,

    Even if you lie or retract your statements, its all been recorded. Your called Gandhi a Scounderal in the first post on this page under point 6:

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/

    WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
    IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
    ——————–
    Stupid people who paste the same thing in several places to hog space should not be commenting on others about space wastage.

  257. happyhindu said

    I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
    scoundrel ?
    ——————-

    Chumber,

    Even if you lie or retract your statements, its all been recorded. Your called Gandhi a Scounderal in the first post on this page under point 6:
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/

    WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
    IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
    ——————–
    Stupid people who paste the same thing in several places to hog space should not be commenting on others about space wastage. Stupid politicians who call others names and then conveniently forget it, should not be wasting time calling others as “absent mind”.

  258. happyhindu said

    Chumber,

    Am repeating this:

    You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.

  259. happyhindu said

    I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
    scoundrel ?
    ————————-

    You did write Chumber.

    See your comment here calling Gandhi a Scounderal:

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-1720

  260. C.L .CHUMBER said

    THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/

  261. C.L .CHUMBER said

    MERE YAAR NU MANDA NA BOLIN! MERI BHAVEN JIND KADH LA !!
    DON`T BLAME MY FRIEND, YOU MAY EVEN KILL ME -P. CHIDAMBARAM!!!

    The world electronic and print media gave maximum coverage to the Mumbai terror 26th November, 2008. The ruling alliance at the centre sacrificed its home minister Mr. Shiv Raj Patil and Maharashtra’s chief minister Mr. Vilas Rao Deshmukh and his home minister. But not the in charge secretary, home at centre and state were not disturbed. Not even a constable was suspended! Why? A constable having a 303 gun with him at the Shivaji Railway Terminus did not fire at the terrorists. An other constable Mr. Yadav who had no gun dared to snatch his gun and fired at the terrorists. This frightened the terrorists and they run away. Mr. Lalu Parshad Yadav, railway minister honoured Constable Mr. Yadav with a grant of Rs. Ten lacs but he did not punish the constable who did not open fire. Why? Not a single person was held responsible from the coastal guards. Are only politicians / legislature responsible? What for the Raw , CBI , IB , central CID , state CID , army CID , army , police , and Para-military forces . Why the operation was started by the NSG after 9 hours. Why the top most 3 officers who dealt with the Malegaon bomb blasts were easily killed .There is a news in the Times Of India ( epaper.timesofindia.com ) , New Delhi / Chandigarh dated 4th December , 2008 under headline ,” BELIEVE IT OR NOT , PAK TV CHANNEL SAYS 26/11 WORK OF HINDU ZIONISTS .” It is uploaded on http://www.hotklix.com as the news claimed.

    The Sunday Indian weekly ( http://www.thesundayindian.com ) dated 1-7 December , 2008 flashed on title page ” 26/11 HOW THE ANTI-HINDU MENTALITY OF MEDIA AND POLITICIANS MADE IT HAPPEN ” by Arindam Chaudhuri .Mr. Chaudhuri`s bent of mind may be judged when he described India as Hindustan which is unconstitutional terminology. He wrote against the politicians and journalists but not against the beaurocrats. He said that Hindus are in majority. But these people wrote against the reservation of so called Hindu OBCs!

    There is very sensitive news in the Times of India dated 13th December, 2008 .The headlines of this news are “NO AGENCY TO BLAME THE INTEL FAILURE, SAYS PC “. The newly appointed home minister of India defended its agencies. If they can not take stern action the beaurocrates responsible for the security of India , then why they sacked home minister of India , chief minister and his home minister ? IS THIS CONSPIRACY TO FINISH THE BRAVE POLICE OFFICERS WHO EXPOSED THE HANDS OF HINDU TERRORISTS IN THE MALEGAON BOMB BLAST AND EXPLOSONS IN THE SAMJAUTA EXPRESS TRAIN?? ? ? ? ? WHY WAS THE DATE OF 26/11 COINCIDED WITH THE ELECTION OF STATE ASSEMBLIES OF DELHI, RAJASTHAN AND MADHA PARDESH?? ? ? ? ? WHY DID THE HOME MINISTER DEFEND HIS BEAUROCRATS?? ? ? ? IN APRIL 2008, AN R.S.S. IDEALOGUE MR. MADHAV FROM NAGPUR WROTE AN ARTICLE THAT CONGRESS AND BJP MUST JOIN HANDS!!!!! ARE CONGRESS AND BJP JOINED HANDS TO FINISH THE BRAVE POLICE OFFICERS TO GET BENEFIT IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS!!!!! THERE MUST BE U.N.O. COMMISSION TO RESEARCH THE FACTS BEHIND THE MUMBAI TERROR!!!!!

  262. happyhindu said

    THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/
    —————–

    Chumber,

    You made the comment abt Gandhi as a Scounderal in your own post without referring to the article. You are a perfect politician Chumber. Forget it.

    Am more interested in this::
    You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.

  263. C.L. CHUMBER said

    PLEASE WAIT FOR SOME TIME , WE WILL FIX YOUR RELIGION AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN RESERVATION !!!!!

  264. happyhindu said

    PLEASE WAIT FOR SOME TIME , WE WILL FIX YOUR RELIGION AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN RESERVATION !!!!!
    ————

    Am supposing that you are telling this to me.

    Well Chumber, nothing people like you malicious dastards do can change anything in ANY religion.

    If there is any “change” it will come from the scientific world or the spiritual world, certainly not from cheapskate politicians like you.

    As far as reservations is concerned, you can keep it. Those that pass out with low standards end up coming up only to “that” extent anyways…

  265. C.L.CHUMBER said

    THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS CAN NOT HAVE SCIENTIFIC MIND .

  266. happyhindu said

    THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS CAN NOT HAVE SCIENTIFIC MIND .
    ——

    And stupid dastradly politicians like you have a “scientific mind”?

  267. C.L.CHUMBER said

    I AM SCIENTIFIC MIND BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . YOU ARE OF ABUSIVE MIND .

  268. happyhind said

    I AM SCIENTIFIC MIND BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . YOU ARE OF ABUSIVE MIND .
    ——-

    Unfortunately for you Chumber, only you consider yourself that way.

    There is not a single person who does not think you are mad. And you ARE of abusive mind seeking to abuse religion and people.

    Your maniac depression is just too obvious even to a lawyer. Am sure a professional psychiatrist can tell more.

    Yes, i am abusive. Because you are abusive. If you do not want people to be abusive towards you, then give straight answers to straight questions. Why do you keep repeating lies abt being an aboriginal indian and about hindu gods.

  269. True Indian said

    lol.. you guys should really stop doing this, if someone from another country like paki or china sees this, then this would not look very good.

    To the Brahmins,
    Taste of your own medicine… how do you like it? For years you have used the divide and rule(caste) policy and corrupted the Hindu religion. Now the same policy is coming to bite your sorry asses. Those people whom you described as untouchables deserve the right to reservation until they get up from the bottom of the social & economic classes. If you don’t like it then return to your home in central asia with your stupid vedas.

    To the so called low castes,
    I understand you anger but converting to a shitty religion like christianity or Islam isn’t the answer. Those desert religions are barbaric religions engaging in slaughter and no holier than Hinduism. If you are really angry then atleast become Agnostic with morals. Don’t convert to Christianity!!!

    Oh.. btw, I’m not an atheist. Just somewhere between a hindu with no castes and agnostism.

  270. True Indian said

    Not to mention, I’m formerly not from either of your so called high & low castes.

  271. Indian said

    lol.. you guys should really stop doing this, if someone from another country like paki or china sees this, then this would not look very good.

    To the Brahmins,
    Taste of your own medicine… how do you like it? For years you have used the divide and rule(caste) policy and corrupted the Hindu religion. Now the same policy is coming to bite your sorry asses. Those people whom you described as untouchables deserve the right to reservation until they get up from the bottom of the social & economic classes. If you don’t like it then return to your shitty central asia with your stupid vedas.

    To the so called low castes,
    I understand you anger but converting to a shitty religion like christianity or Islam isn’t the answer. Those desert religions are barbaric religions engaging in slaughter and no holier than Hinduism. If you are really angry then atleast become Agnostic with morals. Don’t convert to Christianity!!!

    Oh.. btw, I’m not an atheist. Just somewhere between a hindu with no castes and agnostism.

  272. happyhind said

    True Indian@Indian,

    You have made a small mistake.

    Vedic cultures are from within India not from Central Asia.

    And all brahmins do not come from Central Asia.

    Everyone, i repeat, every single indian in this caste mess, comes from a mixture of old castes / tribes.

  273. happyhind said

    TrueIndian@Indian,

    Vedic cultures are from India, not Central Asia. Wonder why this falsehood thing abt central asia is so popular.

    All brahmins do not come from Central Asia. Those old castes / groups do not exist anymore. Each and every indian is a mix of those old castes / tribes.

  274. @Indian:

    Can you even get any more immature by saying “Taste of your own medicine”. How do you justify punishing the lamb for the mistakes of the goat?

    Can we discriminate against all germans right now because hitler was an asshole?
    Can we discriminate against all christians because of the holy war?
    Can we discriminate against all muslims because of osama?
    Can we discriminate against all dalits because there are ppl taking advantage of the creamy layer and denying the reservations to the real needy ones?

    Grow up, will you? Please!

    People here are against Caste based reservations. Just because you are born in a brahmin caste it does not make you rich. I was born in one and there are times when i’ve had one square meal a day for about 3 years during my childhood due to poverty. While my friends who were born in so called chettiar families and naidu families were dropped in school in a maruti santro, i cycled a physically disabled tricycle donated by lions club to school.

    See how rational it is to decide on the basis of caste? Reservations should go to the needy and poor. Automatically being some caste does not make you rich or poor.

    Agnosticism is great, thanks for the recommendation. Being an atheist myself i see the lack of need for something as irrational as religion when we have decoded the human genome sequence and currently testing a possible cure for AIDS which seems to be working in so many test cases.

    The problem in india is religion. There is too much of it. If you remove religion, reservations would be a thing of the past. Equality and balance will fall into place. So as long as there is religion, equality is a hell whore of a lie. It will never exist. Ones imaginary friend in the sky will always be more holier than thou and more powerful or better than another imaginary crackpot in the sky.

  275. C.L.CHUMBER said

    happyhind said,

    January 7, 2009 @ 8:45 am
    THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
    I WROTE A RESEARCH ARTICLE ” WHO SAY ARYANS ARE NOT FOREIGNERS ? ” IN ” THE BABU MANGU RAM MUGGAWALIA SOUVENIR 1985 AD .” IN THIS ARTICLE I REPRODUCED MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS`WRITINGS IN WHICH THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!!

    happyhind said,

    January 7, 2009 @ 8:45 am
    True Indian@Indian,

    You have made a small mistake.

    Vedic cultures are from within India not from Central Asia.

    And all brahmins do not come from Central Asia.

    Everyone, i repeat, every single indian in this caste mess, comes from a mixture of old castes / tribes.

  276. hh said

    THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
    I WROTE A RESEARCH ARTICLE ” WHO SAY ARYANS ARE NOT FOREIGNERS ? ” IN ” THE BABU MANGU RAM MUGGAWALIA SOUVENIR 1985 AD .” IN THIS ARTICLE I REPRODUCED MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS`WRITINGS IN WHICH THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!
    ————–

    eureka!!! so finally you did discover that you are a barbaric foreigner…

    (gawd..even madmen publish “research articles” to sell..but sad for the poor dearies that nobody ever buys…hehe)

  277. hh said

    THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
    ———–

    Yes, finally you realized that you are a barbaric foreigner.

  278. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS ADMITTED IN THEIR WRITINGS THAT THEY ( BRAHMINS , KASHATTRIYAS AND VAISH ) ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!

    hh said,

    January 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am

    THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
    ———–

    Yes, finally you realized that you are a barbaric foreigner.

  279. happyhind said

    MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS ADMITTED IN THEIR WRITINGS THAT THEY ( BRAHMINS , KASHATTRIYAS AND VAISH ) ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!
    ————-

    There was no genetics in their times. There were only historians. Some Western ones had their own interests to push. Among Indians too some historians had their own “leanings” and had been producing a cartload of trash. Some linked every tom, dick and harry who became a mini king to krishna and rama. Who will beleive the trash. Someday soon science will rewrite history. Politicians will be jobless then.

  280. happyh said

    You talk about gandhi, rai and nehru but not yourself. So in a way you have accepted that you are a barbarian foreigner. That’s good.

  281. C.L.CHUMBER said

    YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
    I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ?

    IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .

    hh said,

    January 10, 2009 @ 2:03 am

    Chumber,

    Pointing out how your comments sound – so utterly stupid, mad-like, making no sense like the output of total idiocy, makes no difference to you. In your madness you will keep barking.

    Am only interested in this:: You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.

  282. happyhind said

    IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
    ———

    Do not just keep repeating the same thing in caps.

    Just give the details of the case you have filed.

    Where on earth is this “people’s parliament” where people file cases (lol).

    Do not fool people.

  283. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ABUSING VAIDIK STYLE TO PRESSURE CHUMBER !!!!!

    happyhind said
    January 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am

    Chumber,

    What we are doing is personal abuse to pressure you in.

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/not-white-tiger-but-the-black-panther-of-dalits-for-india/#comment-4422

  284. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ANTI SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT AND HENCE ANTI-CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS ANTI INDIA .HE IS ABSENT MIND . HE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF ANTI-INDIAN CONSTITUTION INDO ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS OR THEIR STOOGE !!!!!

    happyhind said
    January 22, 2009 @ 9:29 am

    Chumber,

    I am being very decent with someone like you.

    If you want, ask someone to call you an idiot a 100 times in court. That is called peronal abuse

  285. happyhind said

    Chumber,

    Ofcourse we have to pressure you in. Because you are a liar and fraudster. That is the only way to get you to file a case. And only if you file a case, it will be firmly proven (without being challenged) that the Chumber writing nonsense on this blog is the same as the Chumber of Aaj Tak and Ambedkar Times (establishing proof of identity is needed).

    It is clear that you are mad. So you will continue to use the words ‘vaidik style’, ‘anti-constitution’, ‘anti-india, or whatever in your madness.

    Instead of talking and lying so much, why do you not provide details of the case? It is better you just accept that you have lied all the way thru.

  286. Chandra hasan said

    The stupid fools who have written this article know nothing about racial phenotypes.

    The South Indian Upper castes (Brahmins, Kapu, Nairs, Reddy) are the only pure Dravidian Race on earth.

    South Indian lower castes are an admixture and a mutt of Dravidian and Austroloid races.

    The Dalits and Untouchables are pure austroloid race. Neither dravidian nor aryans.

    The North Indians upper caste are an admixture of Aryan-caucasiod and Dravidian.They are also mutts.

    North India lower caste are an admixture of Aryan and Dravidians with predominance of dravidian characterstics.

    The Dalits in North India are australloid.

    So where does that leave you all.

  287. happyhind said

    Chandra Hasan,

    There is nothing called a “dravidian race”.

    Currently accepted ones in various studies are: Australoid Race, Caucasoid Race, Mongoloid Race, and Negroid Race.

    Dravidian is a linguistic classificiation. There are caucasoids speaking a dravidian language…what does that make them…

  288. happyhind said

    Chandra Hasan,

    Please also note this
    (source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/techbull/nd03/nd03_med_data_changes.html) :

    The MeSH term Racial Stocks and its four children (Australoid Race, Caucasoid Race, Mongoloid Race, and Negroid Race) have been deleted from MeSH in 2004.

    A new heading, Continental Population Groups, has been created with new indentions that emphasize geography. Ethnic Groups is a sibling to the new Continental Population Groups.

    Indexers will now be indexing to the geographic origins.

    To accommodate this change in policy, the following edits were made in MeSH headings on MEDLINE citations:

    2003 Heading 2004 Replaced-by-Heading
    Aborigines Oceanic Ancestry Group
    Australoid Race Oceanic Ancestry Group
    Blacks African Americans
    Caucasoid Race European Continental Ancestry Group
    Eskimos Inuits
    Mongoloid Race Asian Continental Ancestry Group
    Negroid Race African Continental Ancestry Group
    Racial Stocks Continental Population Groups
    Whites European Continental Ancestry Group

  289. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDI !
    IS IT THIS CIVILIZED WAY TO PRESSURIZE ANY ONE BY ABUSING AND BLAMING AS YOUR GOOD SELF CLAIMED ?

    WHY ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT I WILL FILE A COURT CASE AGAINST YOU AS I HAD ALREADY WROTE – ” YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
    I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ? ”

    I AM THE SAME PERSON OF THIS BLOG , THE PUNJAB AAJ TAK AND WEBSITE AMBEDKARTIMES.COM . NOW WHAT YOU WANT . YOU HAVE MY FULL POSTAL ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ALSO .NOW I FIRMLY PROOVE . GO AND FILE CASE SO THAT THE JUDGE WILL DELIVER HIS / HER JUDGMENT WETHER YOUR GOOD SELF`S GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BASED ON HINDU SCRIPTURES OR NOT !!!!!

    happyhind said
    January 27, 2009 @ 9:34 am

    Chumber,

    Ofcourse we have to pressure you in. Because you are a liar and fraudster. That is the only way to get you to file a case. And only if you file a case, it will be firmly proven (without being challenged) that the Chumber writing nonsense on this blog is the same as the Chumber of Aaj Tak and Ambedkar Times (establishing proof of identity is needed).

  290. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. CHANDER HASSAN ! IS ANY AUTHORITATIVE RESEARCH SCHOLAR ON ANY SUBJECT USES WORDS ” stupid fools ” AGAINST OTHER SCHOLAR ?
    FIRST OF ALL , YOU SHOULD BEHAVE GENTLY !

    Chandra hasan said
    January 28, 2009 @ 8:08 am

    The stupid fools who have written this article know nothing about racial phenotypes.

  291. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MMK Rao said
    January 27, 2009 @ 9:03 am

    ‘Dalits’ is a creation of the politicians and pseudo social reformers like Karunanidhi, Ambedkar, etc who actually did nothing for those sections of people who refused to come into the mainstream perhaps due to an inferiority complex.
    ANSWER : THE DALITS WHO ARE EX-UNTOUCHABLES ARE THE CREATION OF THE GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS .

    DR. AMBEDKAR WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION UNDER WHICH WE ARE RULED .THIS CONSTITUTION SANCTIONED EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL INDIAN CITIZENS INCLUDING THE DALITS / SCs !
    IF DR. AMBEDKAR DID ” NOTHING ” FOR DALITS , THEN NOTHING MEANS ” EVERYTHING ” FOR THE DALITS !!!!!
    WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE MAINSTREAM ?
    DO YOU MEAN THE MANUWADI STREAM ?
    NOW THE ” INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL STREAM ” IS THE THE LEGITIMATE MAINSTREAM !!!!!
    THE DALITS HAVE NO INFERIORITY COMPLEX ! YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT JOINING THE ” INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL MAINSTREAM ” DUE TO THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX AND MANUWADI EGO !!!!!
    IS NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ? ?
    ( 2 ) At any rate, now laws have been made by the politicians which DO entitle them to several opportunities for growth. Hence, those who call themselves Dalits or are called so b y politicians must get over the psychology and look to those great Dalits who have grown up on the materialistic plane using the opportunities given to them.
    ANSWER : THERE ARE TWO LAWS IN PRACTICE STILL IN INDIA . IN A SOCIETY TO SOME EXTENT ESPECIALLY IN ILLITERATES AND DEPENDENTS ON THE MANUWADIS , THE MANUWADI LAW IS IN PRACTICE .IN THE GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IS IN PRACTICE . THE MANUWADI LAW IS AGAINST DEADLY AGAINST THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ( SCs/STs/OBCs AND MINORITIES CONVERTED FROM THESE CASTES ) AND THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IS PRO INDIAN CITIZENS INCLUDING THE DALITS . THAT IS WHY THE DALITS PREFERS TO THE VAIDIK HINDUS .
    ( 3 ) By the way, apart from the so called Dalit sections, there are vast sections of other poor and socially neglected people in India, who do NOT have such legal encouragements.
    ANSWER : THEN WE SHOULD DO SOME WORK . DON`T DO LIPS` SERVICE .
    ( 4 ) The best way forward for Dalits as well as the other poor sections is to ignore politicians and those who claim to champion their causes. These unfortunate people should then be able to see things in clear perspective.
    ANSWER : WHY DO WE IGNORE THE POLITICIANS IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD ?
    THE POLITICIANS BECOME THE LEGISLATIVE WING OF THE GOVERNMENT AFTER BEING ELECTED AS MPs ( LOK SABHA / RAJYA SABHA ) AT CENTRE AND M.L.AS / M.L.Cs AT STATE LEVEL .
    BY IGNORING THE LEGISLATURE , HOW CAN WE SEE THINGS IN A BETTER AND CLEAR PERSPECTIVE .
    ACTUALLY , THE MANUWADIS HAVE COMPLETE HOLD ON THE EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIARY WINGS OF THE GOVERNMENTS AND THEY ARE LOOSING HOLD ON THE LEGISLATURE VERY FAST AND SURELY .THAT IS WHY THEY ARE FORMING THE ” ABHINAV BHARAT ” AND THE RAM SENA IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
    THUS MR.MMK RAO HAS NO LOGIC IN HIS VIEWS !!!!!
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/it-industry-is-on-the-downslide/

  292. happyhind said

    I AM THE SAME PERSON OF THIS BLOG , THE PUNJAB AAJ TAK AND WEBSITE AMBEDKARTIMES.COM . NOW WHAT YOU WANT . YOU HAVE MY FULL POSTAL ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ALSO .NOW I FIRMLY PROOVE . GO AND FILE CASE SO THAT THE JUDGE WILL DELIVER HIS / HER JUDGMENT WETHER YOUR GOOD SELF`S GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BASED ON HINDU SCRIPTURES OR NOT !!!!!
    ————–

    Give your PAN number, Voter’s ID number and Full name.

  293. C.L.CHUMBER said

    THESE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO FILE A SUIT AGAINST ANYONE !
    YOU MAY FILE A SUIT WITHOUT THESE DOCUMENTS . PLEASE CONSULT YOUR GOOD SELF`S BRILLIANT ADVOCATE !
    YOU FILE SUIT AGAINST THE PRIESTS OF YOUR RELIGION WHO PREACH IN FAVORS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS YOU CLAIMED MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG THAT YOU ARE AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!

    happyhind said
    January 29, 2009 @ 9:37 am

    Give your PAN number, Voter’s ID number and Full name.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/

  294. hh said

    So Chumber its great to know you were booked under TADA before. No more proof of your identity required.

    Now I am very confident about asking this blog to be investigated – you yourself have admitted a few times that you and VT Rajshekhar work together – so you have endorsed that this blog is the voice of you and Rajshekhar.

    I wish you had included Kancha also in – then it wud have been 3 birds in one stone. Never mind, Rajshekhar is good enough. You first, rajshekhar next.

    Chumber, now just be a good boy and give us your TADA case file number 😀

  295. happyhind said

    I wrote in detail in my monthly magazine in July , 1986 , the government banned that issue and even imposed TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A but did not dare to arrest me . Mr. V.T. Rajshekar and myself were the two on whom TADA was imposed .
    ————-

    Chumber,

    Give your TADA file number.

  296. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ AS –

    I WAS BOOKED UNDER TADA BECAUSE I PUBLISHED A FOUR COLOUR PHOTOGRAPH OF KING RAMA SLAUGHTERING innocent and pious Shudra saint Shambuk ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR MAGAZINE`S NOVEMBER . 1986 ISSUE !!!!!

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    February 3, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

  297. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ALSO GOOD ENOUGH .WE ENJOY HIS ABUSING , BLAMING WRITINGS IN FRUSTRATION AND THE STATE OF HIS FLICKERING MIND !
    hh said
    February 2, 2009 @ 2:53 pm
    I wish you had included Kancha also in – then it wud have been 3 birds in one stone. Never mind, Rajshekhar is good enough. You first, rajshekhar next.

  298. hh said

    I WAS BOOKED UNDER TADA BECAUSE I PUBLISHED A FOUR COLOUR PHOTOGRAPH OF KING RAMA SLAUGHTERING innocent and pious Shudra saint Shambuk ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR MAGAZINE`S NOVEMBER . 1986 ISSUE !!!!!
    ————————-

    Chumber,

    Instead of shouting so much, just give your TADA case file number. Yes, we will file a case.

    If you do not want to give the case file number, then provide your personal proof of identity and accept you will not change any sentence in court.

    You can come to court and shout as much as you want about anything you want.

  299. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HOW DID YOU DECLARE ME TERRORIST WITHOUT ANY COURT JUDGEMENT ?

    MR. HAPPY HINDU !
    IF THE GOVERNMENT / EXECUTIVE BOOK YOU UNDER TADA / MOKA , YOU WILL NOT BE TREATED OR DECLARED AS TERRORIST UNLESS THE COURT DELIVER JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOU . AND IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO APPEAL IN THE HIGHER COURT AGAINST THIS JUDGEMENT .
    YOUR ADVOCATES RELATIVES MUST HAD TOLD YOU .
    HOW DID YOU DECLARE ME TERRORIST WITHOUT ANY COURT JUDGEMENT ?
    HOW WILL YOU FEEL IF SOME ONE SPEAK / WRITE THAT YOU RAPED YOUR MOTHER / SISTER / DAUGHTER !!!!!
    YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LAW . YOUR WIFE MAY EVEN FILE A CASE AGAINST YOU IF YOU INTERCOURSE WITH HER WITHOUT HER CONSENT .
    YOU SHAMEFULLY STAND FOR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( HAVING PROOFS IN YOUR SCRIPTURES ! ) AND DECLARE TERRORISTS OTHERS . ARE YOU JUDGE OF A COURT ESTABLISHED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURE ? ? ? ? ?
    YOU HURTED MY SENTIMENTS AND DIGNITY DAILY PERSONALLY !
    YOU ARE THE REAL MANUWADI TERRORIST WHO DEFEND THE RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS .
    YOU ARE WRITING LIKE A CUNNING FELLOW . THIS IS THE HISTORIC DEBATE AND YOU WILL BE MARKED NEGATIVE TOTALLY .
    PLEASE NOTE IT THAT YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL FEEL ASHAMED OF YOUR ABUSING , BLAMING HABITS AND FLICKERING MIND !!!!!

    hh said
    February 2, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

    Chumber,

    So you are a terrorist booked for terrorist acts and disruptive activities…
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/#comment-469

  300. C . L . CHUMBER said

    114.

    INDIA IS BEING GOVERNED BY THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTED BY A CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF A SHUDRA DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR .

    MR. HAPPY HINDU !
    GOSWAMI TULSI DASS WROTE IN HIS ” RAMCHRIT MANAS ” : –
    DHOR , GANWAR , SHUDAR AUR NARI ,
    YEH CHARON TARHAN KE ADHIKARI !

    WHICH MEANS – THE ANIMALS , IDIOTS , SHUDAR ( SCs /STs /OBCs ) AND WOMEN ALL THESE FOUR CATEGORIES ARE LIABLE TO BE DISCARDED !
    NOW MRS.INDIRA GANDHI A WOMAN WAS PRIME MINISTER OF INDIAN REPUBLIC AND PRESENT MRS. PRATIBHA PATIL IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BIGGEST EVER DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY .MRS. SONIA GANDHI , ANOTHER WOMAN IS THE PRESIDENT IF THE NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY RULING INDIA . THERE ARE NUMERIOUS PANCHES / SARPANCHES /MLAs/MPs /MINISTERS AMONG WOMEN AND SHUDRAS !
    INDIA IS BEING GOVERNED BY THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTED BY A CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF A SHUDRA DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR .LATE MR. K.R. NARAYNAN . PRESIDENT OF INDIA WAS ALSO SHUDRA ! THE PRESENT CHIEF JUSTICE OF INDIA , MR.K.G. BALAKRISHNAN IS ALSO A SHUDRA .
    THESE ARE THE PROOFS THAT THE HINDUISM IS GOING TO WANE FAST !

    happyhind said
    February 2, 2009 @ 9:32 am

    No matter what you do, hindusim never wanes…so you can keep howling
    forever…
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/brahmin-deception-through-dalai-lama-part-1/#comment-4660

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  301. C . L . CHUMBER said

    OUR INDIAN CONSTITUTION ACCEPTED THESE THESE MOVEMENTS ` AIMS AND OBJECTS BUT THE RULERS DID NOT RECOGNIZED AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS !!!!! WHY ?

    Recently, the Indian government recognized the Namdhari Movement and the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs as the parts of the National freedom movement on 27th January, 2009 . The both movements will be entitled for the Grants and freedom fighters honour scheme-1980 AD. Professor Malvinder Singh a prominent historian filed a public interest litigation petition in the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Chandigarh to declare these movements as part of the National freedom movement. Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia was awarded by Mrs. Indira Gandhi then Prime Minister of India as freedom fighter of the Gadhar Party, USA but he was never honoured as the founder of the social resurgent movement the Adi-Dharam Mandal Punjab. Why not the Indian government and state governments declare these social resurgent movements AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS i.e. Adi-Dharam Mandal of North India , Adi-Dravida of Tamilnadu , Namo-Shudra of Bengal , Adi-Andhra of Andhra Pardesh , Adi-Karnatka of Karnatka , Mahar Movement of Maharashtra , Satya Shodak Samaj of Pune , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha of U.P , Scheduled Castes Federation , Baba Ayyan Kali and Narayana Guru of Kerala`s movements , revered Periyar’s self respect and many more which fought against the Aryan imperialism’s Varna / caste system slavery . Our Indian constitution accepted these movements ` aims and objects but did not recognized as freedom movements! Why? What is the definition of the freedom adopted by the present “sawdesi rulers “????? The Indian citizens must dare to assert to theirs legitimate as well human rights to dynamite the manuwadi spirit forever to establish the Indian constitution drafted by under the chairmanship of revered Baba Sahib Dr. Ambedkar. This constitution was passed by the constituent assembly elected by the then India voters as well as Indian government! LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY, EQUITY, QUALITY, LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL!!!!!

  302. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HAVE YOU THIS REAL NAME ? ? ? ? ?
    WHY ARE YOU USING SO MANY FICTITIOUS NAMES LIKE TERRORISTS ? ? ? ? ?

    Dear Happy Hindu Pal DUKHI RAM ,
    You claimed so many times that you have my complete address , email address .But you did not filed any case against me .Now you are asking Mr. Kumarpushp his name and address ! Have you this real name ? You admitted in writing in this blog how many fictitious names you use in this blog !!!!! If you deny , your statement can be reproduced !!!!! B/W what are your real name , real address , real email address and real parents and your parents real names , your real wife name and your real children names ( you may write fictitious names of theirs also ! ) . Then talk gently and not in abusing and blaming language !

    hh said
    February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am

    Kumarpushp,
    Give your name and address. We shall arrange for a long-term meeting b/w you and Chumber.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/friends-of-the-western-buddhists-as-enemies-of-dalits/#comment-4775

  303. hh said

    Chumber,

    You shall know my name and details in court.

    You do not need to talk on behalf of someone with aliases like Kureela@Kumarpushp.

    So, just give your personal proof of identity. Come to court and prove your utter nonsense.

  304. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU PAL DUKHI RAM !
    YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ADDRESS , EMAIL ADDRESS .
    WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING GIVING HIS ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ETC ?
    I TALKED AS YOU MENTIONED MY NAME WITH MR.KUMARPUSHP ? ( hh said
    February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am ) . IS THIS ILLEGAL / UNETHICAL ?

    hh said
    February 10, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

    Chumber,

    You shall know my name and details in court.

    You do not need to talk on behalf of someone with aliases like Kureela@Kumarpushp.

    hh said
    February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am

    Kumarpushp,
    Give your name and address. We shall arrange for a long-term meeting b/w you and Chumber.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/friends-of-the-western-buddhists-as-enemies-of-dalits/#comment-4775

  305. C . L . CHUMBER said

    ALAS ! BRAHMA WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE DEVDASI SYSTEM LIKE EVER FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!

    SHAME ON YOU M/S HAPPY HINDUS !

    In the introduction of the book ‘ Women of Pride : the Devadasi heritage ‘ written by Mrs.Lashmi Vishwanathanwe read ,” The devadasi was the proverbial dancing girl of India . Her name immediately suggests the two words she inhabited – those of Gods and of slaves .She served Gods ( deva ) , and men who assumed godly status , as a slave ( dasi ) , and considered it an honour in doing so .The persona of the God changed over time . First , he was the allpowerful Supreme Being ,worshiped in the temple . Later , he was the ‘ king’ who was attended by elaborate ceremony . Gradually , the king too became God , and demanded divine rights . The devdasi shifted throughthe vicissitudes of temple , court and social life , unfaltering in her trained steps ! ”
    The worthy writer dared to establish ,” In vedic times Pumschali was the courtsean who became a gandharvagrihita – one possessed by a gandharva , or a celestial spirit .She danced and served holy men known as rishis . She also served Kings , being an expert in a plethora of royal rituals . MYTHOLOGY TRACES HER ORIGIN TO THE HEAVENLY NYMPH , THE DANCING APASARA , WHO WAS CREATED BY LORD BRAHMA …! ” THE WRITER CLAIMED THAT APASARA MENAKA SEDUCED THE SAGE VISHVAMITRA AND URVASI WAS THE FIRST DEVDASI OR ‘ SLAVE OF THE GODS ‘ WHO DANCED TO WELL COME RAMA AND SITA , BACK IN THE AYODHYA AFTER THEIR EXILE !( PAGE 6) .THERE IS A CHAPTER ‘ MARRIED TO THE GOD , SLAVES OF MEN ‘.
    I AM SORRY THAT I COULD NOT FULFILL MY PROMISE TO VISIT VARINDAVAN / MATHURA TO DO FIELD STUDY ON WIDOWS TO WHOME THE PANDAS EXPLOIT SEXUALLY . IN FUTURE , I WILL VISIT . THANKS AGAIN .
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/devadasis-were-degraded-buddhist-nuns/

  306. C . L . CHUMBER said

    IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !

    hh said
    February 10, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

    Chumber,

    You shall know my name and details in court.

  307. h said

    IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
    ————-

    Then why are you not giving your personal proof of identity here ? Give the details here. You are the one that alleged stuff about hindu scriptures. Now you prove it.

  308. hh said

    IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
    —————–

    First i need your identity to file a case. So you provide that. Then later you can talk about court.

    You claim to have spoken only the truth abt hindu scriptures, then why are so afraid to provide your personal details ?

    You cannot stop anyone from being a hindu or needing a brahmin, you can malign as many scriptures or argue as much as you want in any court, you will just be called a madman.

    For all your lunacy chumber, the funniest part was that you even lied that you filed a case in some “people’s parliament” lol… 😀

  309. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I visited the Gujarat state from 9th March to 18th March , 2009 and there are some details :

    You will be shocked that I lost my note book regarding the tour of DEO where there is Jalandhar Beach and the religious monument of Adi Bhagwan Jalandhar which I discovered which are not shown even in the official website of the DEO administration ! .But it is satisfactory that I wrote notes on our Guru Ravidas Kund in district Juna Garh tour on separate note book and we have a video graphy of our entire tour of GUJARAT .We are in need of the video film of the marriage of Mr. Rajinder Manvar brother of Mr. Kanishk Manvar @ Suresh Manvar which we attended in district Rajkot Gujarat to complete the Gujarat tour . This CD is my idea to bring the Punjabi and Gujarati people nearer to each others .We went where the illiterate people do not understand even the national language Hindi .I started learning Gujarati and a young man Mr. Nilesh Manvar of Rajkot city gifted me English to Gujarati and Gujarati to English dictionaries .Some Gujarati words are familiar in Punjabi .
    The Gujarati people are very co-operative nature and regards the guests very well .We took tea in plates .They do not offer tea in cups and no biscuits or any other item with tea. They do not serve tea second time .If any one serve biscuits with tea , they mind and feel treated as a child !
    The area where we visited is called Saurashtra of Six districts which has a different culture from remaining Gujarat state . In this area all castes marry the children of sisters and brothers ! We convinced them to beware of this custom and highlighted about our marriage customs and gotra system . They liked our marriage system !
    The youths urged us to join their marriages but we promised that we attend only one marriage in a district of Gujarat as we have not so much spare time and budget .We promised that we will invite them in marriages in Punjab to understand the Punjabi Adi Dharamis and visit the Punjab historical places .I think my this idea will revolutionize our society and will bring them nearer to each others !

  310. mvrck said

    U GUYS HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN COMMUNAL HATREDNESS ??????

  311. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Mr./Mrs./Miss Mvrck ! what is constructive and destructive in our discussion ?
    What is communal and haterdness in our discussion ?
    You are not the judge ! Even the judge do not give his judgment so quickely like you. Please guide us properly !

    mvrck said
    March 29, 2009 @ 5:23 am
    U GUYS HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN COMMUNAL HATREDNESS ??????

  312. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. MANMOHAN SINGH IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND MR. L.K. ADVANI IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INDIAN CAPITALISTS AS WELL AS BRAHMINISM !!!!!

    Mr.Manmohan Singh outgoing PM of India and BJP`s prime ministerial candidate are blaming each others .They both are true in their blames .Both are weak and merely representatives of the Brahminism and the capitalists !!!!!
    The Congress and BJP are in alliance in the Sikkim state and contesting Sikkim Assembly election .This Lok Sabha election will expose both of them !!!!! If the third front and the Paswan-Lalu-Mulayam alliance join to form the union government , the BJP and Congress secret alliance will be surfaced !!!!!

  313. Rajashekar said

    Dear All at this blog,

    I have taken almost a day to fully educate myself with what has been posted in this blog. After having spent so much of time to educate my self with the published articles in the glob, I felt deeply sad for myself for a criminal waste of time I caused to myself.
    Anyway, having educated myself, I must agrre with Dr.M.R.Satish Rao’s observation on this so called ( Intelectual ) Mr.C . L . CHUMBER who do not spare any person not agreeing to his point of view.He thinks he is great thinker but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).
    What I suggest (if at all this article is not censored and published) to all this blog readers is just to ignore this brainless Bison and avoid any contact to keep yourself cool as I see some people exhibit their angre unnecessarily spoiling their good health.
    This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. The so called self proclaimed criticiser of Hinduism/Bramhanism, Mr.C . L . CHUMBER, if he is really a Dalit, has accepted and acknowledged that he is inferior in intelligence in comparison with Bramhins ,while spitting the venom on every individual who did not agree with him.I say this his so called fore fathers have not thought for a moment in million years that they have been exploited by Bramhin community and Bramhmanical god/godess etc.,
    As sheperd lead the sheeps, Daliths had beeen led by learned Bramhins to lead a meeningful and a discplined way life. And all of a sudden when British system of education came into existence and some of these dalits got educated by none other than bramhins , they started thinking that they have hade been treated like nothing less than an animal.

    Even today a person with lesser intelectua is treated in a more or less the same way since he is confirmed to be a stupid person.Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .

    I hope this guy Mr. C . L . CHUMBER will take this in good spirit and start thinkin more in a civilised way to really realise what he is worth to day in this planet earth.

    I conclde because I do not want to think more about this.

    May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis.

    November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am

    • kumarpushp said

      Dalits donot give any shits to hindu gods and godeses,your rama had killed shmbukha who wanted to read your Veda .keep your hindu gods and godeses with you.

  314. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I DO NOT NEED THE BLESSINGS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
    Rajashekar said
    April 20, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

    Dear All at this blog,

    – – – –
    May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis.

    November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am

  315. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Indus script does encode a language
    A. Srivathsan & T.S. Subramanian

    New study reported in Science shows it was no mere ‘chain of symbols’

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    cOURTSEY :http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm

  316. RAM KISHAN SHARMA said

    We the rational Brahmins appreciate Mr. Chumber who is determined to get rid of the rapist , racist and fascist Gods . We Brahmins must follow him to be a civilized society .

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    April 21, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

    I DO NOT NEED THE BLESSINGS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
    Rajashekar said
    April 20, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

    Dear All at this blog,

  317. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Indus script does encode a language

    A. Srivathsan & T.S. Subramanian

    New study reported in Science shows it was no mere ‘chain of symbols’

    Chennai: Computation science, information theory, and machine learning have now come to the vindication of Indus Valley scholars – providing a new type of “quantitative evidence for the existence of linguistic structure in the Indus script, complementing other arguments that have been made explicitly or implicitly in favour of the linguistic hypothesis.” http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm

    Drawing from multiple disciplines, using rigorous equations, and through scientific number crunching, a team of scientists — including the well-known Indus script scholar, Iravatham Mahadevan — have demonstrated that the Indus script encodes a language and is not a mere “chain of symbols,” as an article published in 2004 claimed.

    The seals and tablets of the Indus civilisation that flourished between 2500 and 1900 B.C carry examples of what has long been understood to be writing in an unknown language. Despite many attempts, the script, known for 130 years, has not been deciphered. The 2004 article, published in the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, challenged the idea that the Indus script encoded language and suggested that it might have been a non-linguistic symbol system like the Vinèa inscriptions of southeastern Europe and the Near Eastern emblem systems.

    The new statistical study compared the pattern of symbols found on Indus Valley artifacts to five types of natural linguistic systems (the Sumerian logo-syllabic system, the Old Tamil alpha-syllabic system, the Rig Vedic Sanskrit alpha-syllabic system, English words, and English characters), four types of non-linguistic systems (including human DNA sequences and bacterial protein sequences), and the artificially created computer programming language, Fortran.

    The decisive finding was that “the conditional entropy of Indus inscriptions closely matches those of linguistic systems and remains far from non-linguistic systems…The similarity in conditional entropy to Old Tamil, a Dravidian language, is especially interesting in light of the fact that many of the prominent decipherment efforts to date…have converged upon a proto-Dravidian hypothesis for the Indus script.”

    The study is the collaborative work of Rajesh P.N. Rao, a University of Washington computer scientist; Nisha Yadav and Mayank N. Vahia of the Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai; Hrishikesh Joglekar, a software engineer from Mumbai; Ronojoy Adhikari, Faculty Fellow at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai; and Mr. Mahadevan at the Indus Research Centre, Chennai.

    Dr. Adhikari, who specialises in Novel Applications of Statistical Mechanics, has no doubt that that the Indus script was part of a structured language. Opening his Nokia mobile phone, he types the alphabets H and A one after the other. The messaging service automatically fills the next two slots with V and E. “This,” he says, “is a simple algorithm the mobile phone uses to help you complete a word quickly. It works on the principle of correlation. In English, when you use the alphabet Q, the next one that follows is often U. Every language has a probability or flexibility of what token would come after another. A token could be an alphabet or punctuation or any component of the linguistic system. We have used the idea of entropy to measure the non-randomness in a linguistic system including the Indus script.”

    When Dr. Adhikari and his collaborators compared the conditional entropy of the Indus script with the conditional entropies of the various linguistic and non-linguistic systems, the results provided “quantitative evidence for the existence of linguistic structure in the Indus script.” “The Indus script,” he explains, “comes close to the entropy value of Old Tamil and lends credence to the debate that the Indus script is connected with the Dravidian language.”

    The use of statistical methods is not new to research on the Indus script. The point of departure in the new study is the use of rigorous correlation techniques, a significant methodological advance.

    Work on the Indus script continues. The temporal and spatial analysis of the script has been completed and awaits publication. There is scope to compare the Indus script with systems like the Chinese pictograms and the Egyptian hieroglyphics. Dr. Adhikari believes that all these efforts “are taking us closer to understanding the Indus script.”
    COURTESY : http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm

  318. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Entropic Evidence for Linguistic Structure in the Indus Script
    Rajesh P. N. Rao 1*, Nisha Yadav 2, Mayank N. Vahia 2, Hrishikesh Joglekar 3, R. Adhikari 4, Iravatham Mahadevan 5

    1 Department of Computer Science & Engineering, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195, USA.
    2 Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai 400005, India.; Centre for Excellence in Basic Sciences, Mumbai 400098, India.
    3 14, Dhus Wadi, Laxminiketan, Thakurdwar, Mumbai 400002, India.
    4 The Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai 600113, India.
    5 Indus Research Centre, Roja Muthiah Research Library, Chennai 600113, India.

    * To whom correspondence should be addressed.
    Rajesh P. N. Rao , E-mail: rao@cs.washington.edu

    The script of the ancient Indus civilization remains undeciphered. The hypothesis that the script encodes language has recently been questioned. Here, we present evidence for the linguistic hypothesis by showing that the script’s conditional entropy is closer to those of natural languages than various types of nonlinguistic systems.

  319. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE WATCH / REWATCH THE FOLLOWING POINTS AND SEND VIEWS TO MAKE THESE POINTS MORE PERFECT !!!!!

    C,L.CHUMBER said
    May 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

    LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!

    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
    We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
    ( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
    ( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.

    (3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
    (4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
    (5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
    (6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
    (7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
    ( 8) The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
    ( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
    ( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
    (12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
    ( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
    ( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
    ( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
    The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
    publically as the brahmins of Japan did.Thanks.

    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/

  320. C . L . CHUMBER said

    SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILIZATION which were already informed as below in the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!!

    C,L.CHUMBER said
    May 30, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILIZATION !!!!!

    Respected viewers,
    With the kind permission of the dalit-nation ,I suggest some websites :-
    (1) http://www.mahenjodaro.net ( 2 ) http://www.imagesofasia.com ( 213 images of the valley ) ( 3 ) http://www.harappa.com ( 4 ) http://asi.nic.in ( 5 ) http://www.ignca.gov.in . You may also get help from Google/Yahoo..Thanks.
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/#comment-5641

  321. rajashekar said

    Dear Bloggers,

    I am reposting my view again posted on April 20th,09 in response to the demand for apology. The question is the word Bramhin is a collective noun. Now this man Mr.C,L.CHUMBER is screwing around with that noun and today which individual or an organisation is representiely the whole Bramhin community.This guy is defenetly a biggest fool to think such happenings that he demands ever happen. First of all none of hindu community will apologise and if not what the ….k can this fool do. This guy is defenetly senseless and sure to be identified as lunatic.

    Any way plese read my view on this as under

    Dear All at this blog,

    I have taken almost a day to fully educate myself with what has been posted in this blog. After having spent so much of time to educate my self with the published articles in the glob, I felt deeply sad for myself for a criminal waste of time I caused to myself.
    Anyway, having educated myself, I must agrre with Dr.M.R.Satish Rao’s observation on this so called ( Intelectual ) Mr.C . L . CHUMBER who do not spare any person not agreeing to his point of view.He thinks he is great thinker but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).
    What I suggest (if at all this article is not censored and published) to all this blog readers is just to ignore this brainless Bison and avoid any contact to keep yourself cool as I see some people exhibit their angre unnecessarily spoiling their good health.
    This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. The so called self proclaimed criticiser of Hinduism/Bramhanism, Mr.C . L . CHUMBER, if he is really a Dalit, has accepted and acknowledged that he is inferior in intelligence in comparison with Bramhins ,while spitting the venom on every individual who did not agree with him.I say this his so called fore fathers have not thought for a moment in million years that they have been exploited by Bramhin community and Bramhmanical god/godess etc.,
    As sheperd lead the sheeps, Daliths had beeen led by learned Bramhins to lead a meeningful and a discplined way life. And all of a sudden when British system of education came into existence and some of these dalits got educated by none other than bramhins , they started thinking that they have hade been treated like nothing less than an animal.

    Even today a person with lesser intelectua is treated in a more or less the same way since he is confirmed to be a stupid person.Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .

    I hope this guy Mr. C . L . CHUMBER will take this in good spirit and start thinkin more in a civilised way to really realise what he is worth to day in this planet earth.

    I conclde because I do not want to think more about this.

    May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis

    May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis

  322. C . L . CHUMBER said

    HUM HONGEY KAAMYAAB FULLY EK DIN !!!!!

    I REPLIED MR. RAJSHEKAR IN NUT SHELL vide C . L . CHUMBER said
    April 21, 2009 @ 12:34 pm . HE IS IN DEFENCE OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST VAIDIK ARYAN HINDU GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!! HE IS THE MEMBER OF M/S HAPPY HINDU VAIDIK ABUSIVE CLUB WHO ABUSED ME AS BELOW ONLY IN THIS WRITING UNDER DISCUSSION :
    * This guy is defenetly a biggest fool …

    * First of all none of hindu community will apologise and if not what the ….k can this fool do.

    *This guy is defenetly senseless and sure to be identified as lunatic.

    * but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).

    * just to ignore this brainless Bison

    *This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. ( Please read his own sweet language !!!!!!-CHUMBER )

    *..,This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit..

    *Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .( Thus he claimed that Brahmins are not stupids and the Brahmins are born to handle the stupid aboriginal Indians .- CHUMBER ) .

    * May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him ( He supported the rapist , racist and fascist Gods ! – CHUMBER ) .

    IS HE E-DIALOGUE OR ABUSING TO DERAIL THE ISSUE ( S ) ? ? ? ? ?

    HE MUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE TO HAVE AN HEALTHY E-DIALOGUE , OTHERWISE HE IS WASTING TIME AND ENERGY OF ALL OF US !!!!!

    SOME MY FRIENDS , WELL WISHERS AND ADVISERS ASKED ME TO IGNORE THE VAIDIK ARYAN ABUSIVE HINDUS BUT I CONVINCED THEM THAT THESE VAIDIK ABUSIVE ARYAN HINDUS CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE EXCEPT ABUSES !!!!!

    THIS WILL SHOW IN FUTURE THAT HOW MUCH THESE PEOPLE ARE SHORT TEMPERED , MANUWADI AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL WHO CAN NOT BEAR THE PROGRESS AND SELF RESPECT OF THE NON-BRAHMINS !!!!!

    I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH TOOTH AND NAIL TO EXPOSE THE EVIL SYSTEM CREATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS IN PAST AND THEIR STAUNCH FOLLOWERS IN MODERN PERIOD !!!!!

    HUM HONGEY KAAMYAAB FULLY EK DIN !!!!!

  323. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE INDIAN PRESS IS ANTI-ABORIGINAL INDIANS DUE TO ITS MANUWADI BENT OF MIND AND STOOGES , DEPENDENTS ON ADVERTISEMENTS OF THE CAPITALISTS AND SELF -RESPECT SELLING TO THE CAPITALISTS OF INDIA WHO ARE FURTHER STOOGES OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS !!!!!

    Dear Viewers ,
    I wrote above is true .The Punjabi and Hindi press at Jalandhar , Punjab is nearly almost corrupt .They openly saled the full pages and printed the news supplied by the candidates of Congress ( I ) and BJP candidates in their own favours in the Punjab Assembly election .This was shameful that sponsored pages were published in a same date .The candidates were from the Jalandhar South ( Reserve ) .One of the candidates admitted that it was true !

    Now the Punjab`s press in 15th Lok Sabha election almost played the role of prostitute !The honest press reporters told me that both the proprietors and their dishonest partner press reporters earned in crores ! Almost every Punjabi and Hindi daily published daily 8 coloums news composed in special type which can be recognized as sponsored news but there was not written advertisement at the bottom .This is a case of fraud as the amount received by these news is in black money . There is a fact that the same news in same type were published more than one news papers on the same day .The vigilance department of Punjab , the Election Commission and Income Tax department must investigate it .

  324. C . L . CHUMBER said

    IN modern Punjab the archeology survey of India department excavated at some places and found the Indus valley civilization . I have wrote that how to reach that places . Please watch :
    http://www.ambedkartimes.com/c_l_chumber.htm#by

  325. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Viewers ,
    First of all , I pasted states wise links on this site in a writing but the computer discarded it .The necessity is the mother of invention. I always tried my best to grab the information at what ever cost and then decentralize to it ! Then I started pasting one by one state and I succeeded to serve you better through our esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
    I visited the Sanchi monument in 1989 AD and the Elephanta Caves with my entire family in 2008 AD .I clicked the links of videos of these sites which I pasted on our esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .and enjoyed with my brother and sister`s children ..
    Please enjoy these links and paste the more links to know our India`s cultural heritage !!!!! .

  326. rajahsekar said

    Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .( Thus he claimed that Brahmins are not stupids and the Brahmins are born to handle the stupid aboriginal Indians .- CHUMBER ) .

    Hi Mr. Chumber,

    Read the above sentence as an answer or as an argument given by you with in the brackets relating to the way stupid people shall be dealt with. I am sure you are out of your mind to bring Indians into the topic. Do not try to divert the isuue to some thing and utilise your perverted acquired intelligence to blow small matters out of its proportion to get popularity by trying to instigate others not involved in the matter. If you have any commonsence which appears to be not in existance, please read those lines repeatedly till it goes into your thick head to make you understand that in a proper context. What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way , NOT THE INDIANS. WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THE WHOLE INDIA HERE. A single stupid person like you CAN NOT represent as as whole all ciitizens of India. For your info. I am also THE INDIAN and never tried to instigate other community people to induge in nasty things like you indulge. I will , whenever time permits unlike you where you have 24 hrs a day to indulge , try to educate the people in a civilised way with out any derogative filthy nonsense langauage that you adopt and use.
    Do not try to make your personal problem look like one national problem and expect that every Indian will stand by you and support you. Sort out your problem with in the four walls with your family members with out again showing your stupidity. Do not make use of your acquired artificial pervert intelligence to point out that they ( Superior caste to nferior caste ) have done this,that etc.,instead use that if you think you have since I do not think that you have any , to uplift the poor , forbidden community if any left unattended. Think yourself what you have done to your family and how use ful and helpful you are to your own family. Then think of helping this world and educate them with non-filthy, decent and civilised way of attitude.Do not indulge in spreading hatredness among the community to score your vengense. I really pity you for the state of mind you posses.

    Can I expect you to convince yourself that you are stupid and nothing more or less than that and put all your might together to civilise on your own.
    God bless you with all the required intelligence and knowledge to make you a civilised human being.

    And by the by, yes as you well said bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you. In fact any ordinary person with certain amount of common sense should be able to handle and set you right on the track.And not necessarily a Bramhin.

    And as mentioned by you if SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS , BUT NOT ALL YOUR FRIENDS ( FORTUNATELY YOU HAVE SOME WISE PEOPLE AROUND YOU FOR GOD SAKE) , WELL WISHERS AND ADVISERS ASK YOU TO IGNORE THIS YOU CAN DO SO AFTER ALL IT IS WELL KNOWN TO EVERY ONE THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN NOT HANDLE WISE AND KNOWLEDGABLE PEOPLE.

    HE MUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE TO HAVE AN HEALTHY E-DIALOGUE , OTHERWISE HE IS WASTING TIME AND ENERGY OF ALL OF US !!!!!

    I did not find any question posed by you. You only repeated / reproduced my post not being able to attend to any Hmmm. Pity you honestly. you are in dark. Come out and see the light of wisdom.

    And your last but not the least sentence goes like this as under:
    I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH TOOTH AND NAIL TO EXPOSE THE EVIL SYSTEM CREATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS IN PAST AND THEIR STAUNCH FOLLOWERS IN MODERN PERIOD !!!!!

    Who are they? Show me I will also join you to fight out and for sure I swear will lend you with my TOOTH and Nail.

    GOD / GODDESS BLESS YOU.

  327. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com AND YOU WILL FIND THE SAME !!!!!
    rajahsekar said
    May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
    Who are they? Show me I will also join you to fight out and for sure I swear will lend you with my TOOTH and Nail.

  328. kumarpushp said

    Hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatments.We had seen state sponsored genocide of muslims in Gujrat.Dear rajashekhar ,Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.

    • Sukra Charya said

      Hello kumarpushp,
      “state sponsored barbaric treatments” ?? Where? Maybe a few examples will help.

      1.) When the PM Indira Gandhi was killed, thousands of Sikhs were killed by Congress Party – yes, the same pseudo-secular thugs who talk of “communalism”.

      2.) When Americans landed on the moon in 1969, Muslims in my town went on a rampage. Thousands were killed. This was no Hindu-Muslim riots – just Muslims who were angry with Americans. Police came a week later.

      3.) Naxalites were on a rampage again. Small shopkeepers (selling paan, cigarettes, bidis) were killed, because they were CAPITALISTS! Police kept quiet, because all Naxalites were children from rich families!

      4.) In Tamilnadu state, Brahmin women would be called by derogatory terms like ‘papati’. Brahmin men would be beaten up in public; their hair forcibly shaved off; the sacred thread would be desecrated. All done in public, in broad daylight, by thugs, with the policemen watching. None of those Brahmins committed a crime – they were beaten up because they were born in a particular family.

      kumarpushp, that should you an idea of “barbaric treatments”. Any answers?

  329. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I WAS SERIOUSLY ILL HAVING TYPHOID DURING THE APRIL MONTH , 2009 AND I CAN NOT READ NEWS PAPERS FOR SOME DAYS . NOW I AM WATCHING BACK NEWS PAPERS TO KNOW THE ELECTION STRATEGY OF VARIOUS PARTIES ESPECIALLY OF THE CONGRESS AND BJP .TO-DAY , I READ THE ‘ HINDUSTAN TIMES EXCLUSIVE ‘ INTERVIEW OF MR. L.K.ADVANI IN THE HINDUSTAN TIMES DATED 22ND APRIL , 2009 .THE PAPER GAVE THE HEAD LINES ” THE PARTY HAD EARLIER VOWED TO KILL THE AGREEMENT , SAYING IT COMPROMISED INDIA`S STRATEGIC INTERESTS . ” IT GAVE ANOTHER MAIN HEADLINES OF THIS INTERVIEW ” IF VOTED TO POWER , BJP WILL HONOUR NUKE DEAL WITH US .” MR. ADVANI SAID AGAIN ,” I CANNOT SAU TODAY WE WILL JUST CANCEL THE ( INDO-US NUCLEAR ) DEAL .”
    THE BJP CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE ITSELF FROM THE CONGRESS AS THEY WERE PLAYING THE PASSING GAME . THEY PROJECTED NARENDER MODI AS THE NEXT PM AFTER ADVANI TO TERRORIZE THE VOTERS .{ PLEASE READ C . L . CHUMBER said .April 27, 2009 @ 8:36 pm .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/ ) .MR. NARENDER MODI ADRESSED MORE AND MORE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT INDIA SO THAT THE VOTERS FELT INSECURITY AND CASTE VOTE FOR CONGRESS TO SAFE THEMSELVES.THIS HARMED THE THIRD AND FOURTH FRONTS !!!!! MR. ADVANI ALREADY SAID PUBLICALLY THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONGRESS OR BJP GOVERNMENT AT CENTRE .

    WE ALREADY DECLARED AS :
    MR. MANMOHAN SINGH IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND MR. L.K. ADVANI IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INDIAN CAPITALISTS AS WELL AS BRAHMINISM !!!!! ( C . L . CHUMBER said
    April 14, 2009 @ 2:02 pm .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ )

  330. rajahsekar said

    Hey Mr. Chumber,

    I am waiting for your response to my posting on 21.05.09. Do you know why I say ” response” , bcause there is nothing that you can reply. You only have to simply accept whatever opinion / comment given by me in my posting since you are either wise or knowledgable person to come with any concrete arguement to diprove it. And more over you are a social refugee . So with what effective arguement you can come up.

    However, have you noticed there is no one replying to your postings or submitting any of their worthwile reply to your posts for the past 2 months except for those posted by me. Hey have you taken some time off from your anti hindu/bramhin activities and gave a thought about it. NO, You have not. Bcause you are drowned deep in your own stupid propaganda about hinduism/branhinism. Just take some time and think about others who use to spontaneously reply on your posts are just ignoring it and you very well know why it is.Obviously because it is all nonsense and perhaps they concuded that you are not only a stupid person but you also have a closed mind. Open up your mind for fresh thoughts. I think that is the main reason you have opened up in this blog. Otherwise, this blog becomes a place only for your writings and only you have to keep reviewing your own postings trying to improve upon that. But I say you should be happy that atleast one person like me still exist in this blog trying to strighten you up and your thought to the positive benefit of stupid you and your innocent community.

    I promise if this comment and my previous comments are not attended to by you by taking a refugee under any philosophy that you try to shelter yourself I conclude that all my thoughts and opinion,comments made by me are correct and not disputable by you on malafied arguments and stop coming to this blog seeking any thoughtful information.

    God bless / help you

  331. Sukra Charya said

    Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes.

    Yes, Periyar did say that. Periyar also said that Tamil is a barbaric language. And all those who speak Tamil are barbarians.

    Don’t know about you – but I am not willing to give up my language because Periyar thinks so.

  332. Sukra Charya said

    It seems silly that we fight about Dalits and non-Dalits. There are good people and bad people in every community. In any case, its wrong to discriminate against anyone, simply because they are Dalits or Brahmins. Its also unconstitutional and punishable by law.

    God has given all of us the same abilities – two eyes, two arms etc. All of us get 24 hours a day – no more, no less. No one can claim to be superior to anyone else. For that matter, nobody should claim to be inferior, either.

    I have seen rich Dalits and poor Dalits. I have seen rich Brahmins and poor Brahmins. The sad part is the rich behave in the same way – whether they they are Dalits or Brahmins. The rich will always tend to abuse power.

    Even if all ministers in all states were to be Dalits, our national problems will not disappear. There will be still be millions of poor and hungry people. They are poor, because, as a nation, we do not generate enough wealth. Maybe we should focus on changing that.

  333. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THEN YOU START RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER TO FOLLOW YOUR RAPIST BRAHMA !
    AND BANISH YOUR WIFE LIKE RAM BANISHED HIS WIFE TO FOLLOW YOUR GOD RAMA .
    IF YOU CAN NOT BANISH YOUR WINE THEN DISCARD HER AND FIND ANOTHER BELOVED LIKE YOUR LUSTFUL GOD KRISHANA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE TO ENJOY HIS BELOVED RADHA !!!!!
    I AM NOT ABUSING ANY ONE OR ANY RELIGION . WILL YOU MAKE FRIEND A RAPIST OR RACEIST OR FASCIST ?
    hh said
    May 27, 2009 @ 5:14 am

    Lol…so you do not want to mind abuses. But you will go on abusing hinduism in your lunacy.

    Ofcourse now it is fully clear that nobody will vote or even arrest a full blown lunatic case like you….gooddbye.

    • hh said

      Brahma did not commit any rape. It is you who is obseessed with rape. Go and see any police records….almost all rapists are dalits.

      Yes i worship Ram, you do not need to teach me your missionary version of ramayan.

      And yep i worship Krishna. He did not discard his wife. You follow your missionary version of all hindu stories and i will follow mine.

      No need for a abusive lunatic to teach hindusim.

  334. Sukra Charya said

    CASTE? What caste?
    The word does not exist in any Indian language. Can anyone on this forum show me ONE Indian language which has the word ‘caste’? There is NONE.

    The word ‘caste’ is derived from ‘Castos’ – a Portugese word. It was coined at the time of Vasco da Gama.

    At THAT time in Europe, there were 2 classes of people – the rulers (kings, barons, dukes etc) and the ruled. Westerners like Vasco da Gama could never understand the social setup in India, which was primarily based on professions. In fact, most Europeans still don’t understand it even today.

    Since the word ‘caste’ itself is artificial – its meanings are also artificial. It means different things to different people. Its a bit like wearing glasses – if you see the world thru pink glasses, it will appear pink. If you view the world thru gray glasses, everything appears gray.

    The correct way, ofcourse, is to see the world without colored glasses. Only then we can the beauty of color in all the things around us.

    And so it is with caste. Lets view the society around us, without tinted glasses.

  335. Sukra Charya said

    MY ANSWER IS : AS LONG AS , IN INDIA BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INCARNATIONS ARE WORSHIPED , DEFENDED AND PROJECTED , WE WILL OPPOSE IT .

    CHUMBER, Maybe you need to see the world as it exists. You cannot judge some past, distant era using today’s standards. If you do that, other religions will look even worse than what they do today. Examples.

    1) As per Bible (Old Testament), Cain killed Abel. And apparently, all of us are Cain’s children. That said, we are descended from a murderer.

    2) As per Bible (New Testament), Jesus tells his followers “Eat my flesh..so you can live forever”. Question: do you want to be a cannibal?

    As per Koran, the Prophet said “All the Caliphs after me will be of the Quraishi tribe”. So, to be a leader, it was not enough to be a Muslim, it was not enough to be even an Arab Muslim, that person HAD TO BE OF THE QURAISHI tribe! (In a sense, new converted Muslims can NEVER become leader of the Muslim world).

    Hinduism may have its faults – I prefer to correct it, as we go along. I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.

  336. Sukra Charya said

    (12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
    Why? What do you mean “anti-constitutional spirit”? Can you define that?

    ( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
    Why? No one from those religions has ever complained. We are one. If you want to be different – choose your own path. What IS your path anyway?

    ( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
    Why? We became independant in 1947. Why was this not raised then? What was Dr.Ambedkar doing? Does he not represent Dalits? Why was he keeping quiet?

    ( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.
    No way. The leaders of those religions must announce that have the caste problem. In India, all over the sub-continent and also in the UN. Also the Pope must apologize to all for having caste.

  337. Sukra Charya said

    The Pope should apologize for the following:

    1. The Inquisition in Goa

    2. The torture and murder of Indian soldiers by British Christian soldiers in 1857

    3. The cold blooded killing of civilians (many women and children) at Jallianwala Bagh

  338. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
    HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
    rajahsekar said
    May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
    *What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
    * A single stupid person like you
    *you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
    *bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.

  339. rajahsekar said

    Hey Mr.kumarpushp,

    I have read ur comments on my remarks. It seems you have a very little knowledge about the history of this country-INDIA.According to your post in this blog it looks like that.
    You said, Hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatments.We had seen state sponsored genocide of muslims in Gujrat.Dear rajashekhar,Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.

    I recall all the barbaric acts that took place at the time of partition of india and creation Pakistan. you have to better go through the books written on partition of india and digest the violence that tookj place in pakistan on hindus fleeing from newly crated pakistan. You will really understand who is barbaric. Do not look at it with prejudised mind. And this is the recent happening.

    What about those barbaric acts upon people who lived in India by Mohamaden Invadors. Those people included your ancestors/fore father, who were barbarcly handled by those sense less invadors.

    And at last what about those barbaric acts on indian men and women by none other than Britishers. You forgot??? ANd you say Hindus ar barbaric and require barbaric treatment. How stupid you should be to just put your leg in your mouth Mr.Kumar Pushp.

    Please note : Hindus are known for their patience,resistance,humbleness , forgiveness and humanity. Just do not through your furious and illogical thoughts just to support another stupid person like you.

    Now you have to sit, study ,think and come back with your enlightment and prove who is barabric and who deserves barbric treatment.

    Lastly, Hindus are attacked several times in this country just to be eliminated by many but still they exsist and they,Hindus has never ever blamed another community for their state of exisitance. I suggest you better learn to live in hormony among the community with out poking your running nose into others business with out knowing the back ground.

    Think you will take these in positive sense and chalkout your time table to educate yourself.

    May that almighty make you realise the truth ,

  340. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    I congratulate Mr. C.L.Chumber for his rational views which has impact on new comer Mr. Shukra Charya .He is ready to correct it but I think the Hinduism is infected by AIDS like diseases .It must be buried .
    Secondly , If Mr. Shukra Charya ” I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.” then how we compelled the Dalits to live in this below dignity environment ? Mr. Chumber made the Manuwadi Hindus realize the evils in Hinduism .Let us encourage Mr. Chumber who is enlightenig us to beware of the evils .

    Sukra Charya said
    May 27, 2009 @ 6:05 pm
    Hinduism may have its faults – I prefer to correct it, as we go along. I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.

    • Sukra Charya said

      RAM KARISHAN SHARMA,

      “It must be buried .”. Buried? Oh, yes, we have been buried many times. Like Jesus, we come back on the third day. Heck, if Jesus can do it, so can I!

      The ‘Manuwadis’ exist in your mind. That’s why you will never find them – and that’s why you will never be able to kill them.

    • Sukra Charya said

      Sharma-ji.
      ” then how we compelled the Dalits to live in this below dignity environment ?”

      “We compelled..”. No way. The nation was under the invaders for over a thousand years. ALL OF US were compelled to live in “below dignity environment” – Brahmins, Dalits, everyone. If you wish to blame someone for sufferings during that period – blame the invaders.

      All communities, including Dalits have recognized that they are entitled to equal rights as citizens – ONLY IN FREE INDIA.

      The question is what do once we get those rights? Possible answers:

      a) Spew filth and anger at other communities

      b) Make sure “OUR” community gets PRIVILEGES, while other communities lost some RIGHTS (i.e. RIGHTS that are guaranteed under the Constitution)

      c) Gather wealth for ourselves and our families (other members in our community continue to be poor)

      d) Blame OUR PRESENT DAY FAILURES on some past injustice

      e) Use voting rights to elect leaders who are educated, responsible and accountable

      It seems that we do all the bad things. The ONE thing we CAN do right, at no cost, is (e). Electing a good leader.

      When we elect persons like MK Karunanidhi or Lalloo, we have failed. Even if all the “higher-castes” were to vanish tomorrow, we will be a true 100% DALIT NATION. But our status will not change.

  341. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    Mr. Rajshekar ! please read your north pole and south pole views in a writing .

    rajahsekar said
    May 28, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

    Hey Mr.kumarpushp,
    Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.

    Please note : Hindus are known for their patience,resistance,humbleness , forgiveness and humanity. Just do not through your furious and illogical thoughts just to support another stupid person like you.

    • Sukra Charya said

      But for you, North Pole and South Pole are one and the same. You will blame Hinduism for everything – including your own personal failures. At some point, all Indians (including Dalits) must realize that they need to take responsibility for their successes or failures.

    • rajahsekar said

      Mr.RAM KARISHAN SHARMA,

      Please be specific about what you want to say. Do not just through some meaning less quotes with ou any aim in it and detract. Just explain what is North pole and south pole views in my writings.And do not try to confuse and get yourself confused on the subject in the blog.I will defenetly give proper reply.

      God bless you

  342. rajahsekar said

    Ho Mr.Chumber,

    Thank you so much for your reply to my post on 21.05.09. The reply made by you on 28.05.09 is reproduced here under:
    THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
    HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
    rajahsekar said
    May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
    *What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
    * A single stupid person like you
    *you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
    *bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.

    I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectual ( I THINK / HOPE YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTTELIGENT AND INTELECTUAL) or trying to get attention and sympathy from some people to come out with their innovative ideas and knowledge in support of you.

    Please enligten me with your meaningful explanation of reproduction of my selected sentence or is there some one sitting next to you with you guiding you to reproduce my text as in the case previously mentioned by you that SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS SUGGESTED YOU TO IGNORE ME. Come on. Mr.Chumber do not run away now. Give me your proper reply in relation to my comments posted with out fail. Or withdraw your illogical and not sensiable accusation of Hindus/Bramhins and apologise for trying to hurt their communal feelings.

    And once again I SAY THAT bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you. It is proved beyond any doubt without any and further production of material evidence in case you have read Indian History and properly understood it in a way that is positive.

    And at last , go through this blog from begining to end and find how many are in agreement with your thoughts and how many oppose and how many pacify you. Understand that those people tried to make you understand things properly using their valuable time with out caring for the cost of that Mr.Chumber. STOP SPREADING HATREADNESS AND DO NOT PROMOTE HOSTILE PHYLOSOPHY>

    I expect ypou to properly,sensiably reply to this and once again thank you for your response.

    God bless you

  343. Sukra Charya said

    CL CHUMBER,
    Actually, its your Gods that have these characteristics. One of them is a cannibal; another one is racist. And look at your Churches – they are facist. You have Greek Orthodox Church (for Greeks only); Syrian Orthodox (for Syrians); Russian Orthodox Church (for Russians). Adolf Hitler was supported by Roman Catholic Church while he was committing murder of Jews. So, you have that additional certificate as well. CAN YOU DEFEND ANY OF THESE? THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

    Perhaps your last chance.

  344. Sukra Charya said

    CL CHUMBER,
    You said “AND BANISH YOUR WIFE LIKE RAM BANISHED HIS WIFE TO FOLLOW YOUR GOD RAMA”.

    Yes, Ramayana does tell us that. But, what does it mean?

    It means that you want to be a leader of the country, one who will be remembered for ever, then:
    – Your first responsibility, and your ONLY responsibility, is to the PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY.
    – You cannot allow your wife and family to distract you from the tasks of the nation.

    This is not easy – and most leaders fail on this account.

    Lord Rama, once he became king, realized this. He realized that He would have to make personal sacrifices. Personal sacrifices that would cause him immense, immense pain. But He wanted to set an example – and He did it. He sent His wife away, because He wished to concentrate on the nation and its people. He made the nation great. HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER.

    Sita Devi too, will be WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER. She understood that as well. That’s why she stood by His side and accompanied Him to the forest in the first place. She did have the choice of going back to her family and wait. (That is, wait in the comfort of the palace). She took the more difficult choice because Her love for Him was genuine.

    These are personal qualities of discipline and sacrifice. Show me ONE leader today, who can match these qualities.

    Sita Devi never complained – She wanted to set an example FOR ALL WOMEN, FOR ALL TIME – and she does. The only people who complain are people are ignorant.

    In your case, show us you have these qualities and more. THEN and only then, you are qualified to criticize Lord Rama.

    Lord Rama will be remembered forever! Sita Devi will be remembered forever! And both of them WILL BE WORSHIPPED FOREVER.

  345. Sarv said

    No offense..out of curiosity..

    If the Dravidians are the original inhabitants of Indus valley, and then were driven down South….why didn’t they go south and build similar or more advanced cities? at least later in time?

    I could find references of Indus like sites only till Tapti- Godavari rivers..but not further South, which is supposedly the Dravidian region..

    • Sukra Charya said

      Sarv,
      “….and then were driven down South..”.

      This is given as a consequence of the Aryan Invasion theory – invented by the British. Two reasons why I call it as a PURE invention.

      1. Prior to 1700s, there is NO mention of ANY ARYAN INVASION, anywhere. Not even in ancient Tamil texts.

      2. There is NO historical evidence to support this claim. (Historical records are usually reliable. There is a historical record of a volcano that destroyed the city of Herculeaneum in 79 AD. THAT WAS 2000 YEARS AGO! And there are accurate records of THAT event. Historians have gone to the extent of discovering there were brothels, homosexuals, etc. even then).

      On the other hand, we need to ask ourselves, “Did the British stand to benefit by creating this theory?”. The answer is YES. The British liked to play one group against another, for commercial and political benefit. That’s why they took Indians (slaves or indentured servants) to other nations. Places like Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, South Africa, Uganda etc. In these places, the natives were set against the Indians.

      As of date, Sarv, the historical monuments of the South will easily surpass those of the north. That’s not because the South is superior. North India took the brunt of Mohemmedan invasions – and most temples were converted to mosques or were destroyed altogether.

      • hh said

        Shukra Charya,

        I concur with you.

        All indians are aryans.

        Even in places like wiki there are people mentioninig stuff as though “indo-aryan” is a race. It is just a linguistic group, that’s all. Not a race at all.

        The british were experts in pitting one against the other. Now tehre are people from the dravidian linguistic group who are desperate to be ‘genetically dravidian’ and there are people who claim to be ‘genetically aryan’. Utter nonsense. Practically almost all indians have inherited the same predisposition to stuff like heartattacks and certain diseases. An indian is THE aryan, irrespective of his lingusitc classification.

        We Indians ourselves have to come around to accepting ourselves as being “indian race” first.

  346. C . L . CHUMBER said

    YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!

    Sukra Charya said
    May 29, 2009 @ 11:02 am

    • Sukra Charya said

      Mr. Chumber,

      “YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!”

      Thank you. When people say they are the “Leaders of Dalits” and simply resort to abuses (like the one above), they are a disgrace to the Dalit community.

      Dalits must remember that the WISEST person in Mahabharata is VIDURA. Today he would be called a Dalit. But even today, his wisdom is recognised. He shows no hate anywhere. He is calm, composed and serene. People wait for his pronouncements – as though they were jewels. The next Vidura may also be a Dalit – but he cannot be one that has hatred for other people.

      In your case, refine your language. Stop using abusive language. When people say the same thing again and again, they sound like a broken record. Most people throw away things that do not work.

  347. Sukra Charya said

    I just wrote about Lord Rama’s greatness. And now I read “Karunanidhi’s son Stalin appointed Tamil Nadu deputy CM”.

    Mr. MK Karunanidhi is not a Brahmin. I do not know if he is Dalit. But he is a crook. This guy has made the state as his family property. But he is called a ‘Leader’ – and a direct contrast to Lord Rama.

    After seeing such headlines, millions more pray to Lord Rama, every day. That’s where salvation lies.

  348. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said

    MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
    PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .

    rajahsekar said
    May 29, 2009 @ 9:15 am

    Ho Mr.Chumber,
    I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectua

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    May 28, 2009 @ 6:14 am

    THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
    HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
    rajahsekar said
    May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
    *What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
    * A single stupid person like you
    *you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
    *bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.

    • happyhindu said

      Look Chumber, I do not know the people posting here.

      Who am i to issue any character certificate? And that too based on ‘caste’? What nonsense.

      There is a bit of a ‘brahmin’, bit of ‘dalit’, bit of every ‘caste’ in each one of us.

      It is better to look at our own character before commenting on others.

      And what is this ‘abusive club’ you have made by clubbing all posters here.

      This is all sheer nonsense. You cannot change one thing with your shouting.

      People are designed for peace. And they will eventually get there.

      Goodbye.

  349. C.L. CHUMBER said

    M/S M.K. GANDHI AND NATHU RAM GODSE BOTH WERE THE FOLLOWERS OF THE AYODYA`S AUTOCRAT KING RAMA WHO KILLED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK AND EVEN BANISHED HIS PREGNANT WIFE SITA .

    AUTOCRAT KING RAMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THESE TWO HEINOUS CRIMES . SITA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER LOYALTY TOWARDS HER UNFAITHFUL HUSBAND .

    ONLY SITA MAY BE WORSHIPED NOT CRUEL RAMA !!!!!

    Sukra Charya said
    May 29, 2009 @ 11:02 am
    Lord Rama will be remembered forever! Sita Devi will be remembered forever! And both of them WILL BE WORSHIPPED FOREVER.

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,

      “.. BANISHED HIS PREGNANT WIFE SITA .”.

      You still don’t understand about the responsibilities of Leadership, do you?

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,
      “.. KING RAMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THESE TWO HEINOUS CRIMES.”.

      True. For people who worship Lalloo and his likes, honesty is indeed a crime.

    • hh said

      ONLY SITA MAY BE WORSHIPED NOT CRUEL RAMA !!!!!
      ——–

      Sita loved and worshipped Rama. Who are you to tell others who they must or not worship?

      You keep your lunatic pronouncements to yourself.

  350. C.L. CHUMBER said

    NEITHER RAMA NOR KARUNANIDHI IS GREAT . RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !

    THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MORAL VALUE IN RAMA TO BE GREAT EXCEPT BEING THE YES MAN OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMINS !!!!!

    Sukra Charya said
    May 30, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

    I just wrote about Lord Rama’s greatness. And now I read “Karunanidhi’s son Stalin appointed Tamil Nadu deputy CM”.

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,
      “..HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN…”.

      Yes, he did not do that. What you are suggesting is usually called ‘AN ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES’. Yes, its true that Lord Rama did not abdicate his responsibilties. That one of the reasons that he is worshipped.

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,
      “THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MORAL VALUE IN RAMA TO BE GREAT EXCEPT BEING THE YES MAN OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMINS !”

      That is YOUR opinion. You are welcome to it. None of us will oppose your CONSTUTIONAL RIGHT to believe what is demonstratably false. That’s because we are Hindus – and proud to be so.

      But remember this: If you were to make a similar pronouncement about Prophet Mohammed or Jesus, most probably you will be put to death. Do you wish to accept this challenge?

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,
      “..HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN…”.

      Yes, he did not walk off the job. What you are suggesting is usually called ‘AN ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES’. Yes, its true that Lord Rama did not abdicate his responsibilties. That one of the reasons that he is worshipped.

    • hh said

      RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !
      ———-

      Rama was a king. He did not need to “save any chair”. He gave away the kingdom to Bharat and went to forest.

      Your missionary version of Ramayan will sell amongst self-appointed dalits in india. You cannot change Ramayan or ask people not to follow Ramayan in Thailand, Indonesia, et,

  351. C.L. CHUMBER said

    FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!

    Sukra Charya said
    May 27, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

    (12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
    Why? What do you mean “anti-constitutional spirit”? Can you define that?
    MY ANSWER IS : THE GOVT. MUST BAN THE HINDUISM BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OF ITS GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .THE CONSTITUTION `S PREAMBLE IS EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE BUT THE HINDUISM IS AGAINST THESE !

    ( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
    Why? No one from those religions has ever complained. We are one. If you want to be different – choose your own path. What IS your path anyway?
    MY ANSWER IS : YOU ARE A CHILD IN THESE MATTERS . MR. PARKASH SINGH BADAL , CM , PUNJAB ONCE BURNT THE ARTICLE 25 OF THE CONSTITUTION TO STRESS ON HIS DEMAND THAT THE SIKHS ARE A DIFFERENT ELEMENT !

    THE BUDDHISTS ALSO DEMANDED TO RECORDED SEPARATE FROM THE HINDUISM .OUR PATH IS THE DEMOCRATIC AND CONSTITUTIONAL PATH !

    ( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
    Why? We became independant in 1947. Why was this not raised then? What was Dr.Ambedkar doing? Does he not represent Dalits? Why was he keeping quiet?
    MY ANSWER IS : THE MASTERS AND SLAVES CAN NOT BE ONE ! DR. AMBEDKAR SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY GIVE DALITS THE SEPARATE ELECTORATE AND SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS BUT THE MAJORITY MANUWADIS IN THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY NEGATED HIM ON THIS ISSUE .
    ( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.
    No way. The leaders of those religions must announce that have the caste problem. In India, all over the sub-continent and also in the UN. Also the Pope must apologize to all for having caste.

    MY ANSWER IS : FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM .THE SIKHS AND THE BUDDHISTS ACCEPTED THE CASTE AND GOT RESERVATION FOR SCs ALREADY !!!!! MY DEMAND IS THAT THERE MUST BE NO BAR FOR SCs AS STs HAVE NO BAR !

    • Sukra Charya said

      C.L. CHUMBER,
      “FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS ..”. I take offense at you addressing the rest of the people over here as ‘Manuwadis’.

      “..AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM ..”. You are talking as though you were present when Brahma made his pronouncements – which is most certainly not true. I have already explained about “caste”. What part of the explanation don’t you understand?

      “YOU ARE A CHILD IN THESE MATTERS..”. Really. And how did you find my age?

      “DR. AMBEDKAR SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM…”
      Why? He is given credit as the author of our Constitution. Why did he not add this memorandum at the time of writing the Constitution?


      “FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM.”
      This is your problem. You want people to apologize to something that exists in your mind – and in your mind only. Get over it. NO ONE WILL EVER APOLOGIZE TO YOUR HALLUCINATION – for the simple reason that its not real.

      I got a counter suggestion: I want YOU to apologize that you were responsible for the extinction of the two-horned unicorn.

  352. rajahsekar said

    RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
    May 31, 2009 @ 9:35 am
    MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
    PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .

    Hi Mr. R K Sharma,

    What is that filthy writings and abusive language and who is using it. Me????. I think you have to be educated well to recognise filthy writings and foul & abusive language. Any way thank you for your advice. But tell me what is the filth you found in my writings and what is that language that I used considered to be abusive. Please narrate clearly and if I get a convincing answer from you I will surely , unlike you, correct my language and untill such time you need to just stop commenting on my writings with out any thoughtful ,enlighting contribution from you. I think I have not used any filth or abusive .

    Hope you are sure enough to realise what I wrote above addressing you.

    God bless you

  353. rajahsekar said

    And Mr.Cumber,

    You have not come back on my writing dated 29 th May 09. Should I wait or I just stop expecting any reply from you.

  354. Sukra Charya said

    CL CHUMBER
    “YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!”

    Let us educate you, because you certainly need it.
    A RAPIST is one who has sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
    – I challenge you to give examples here.

    A RACIST is one who deems that one race (usually his/her own) is superior to other races.
    – Nothing wrong here. Jews claim that they are ‘the chosen people’. The Mohemmedans say the same thing – you cannot visit Mecca or Medina without their permission.

    A FASCIST is one who likes authoritarian rule in his nation.
    – No big deal here. Chinese are fascist. So are Russians. So are your friends in West Bengal.

    An as regards “YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST..”. Yes. ALL OF US ARE WRONG. You and YOU ALONE are right.
    For God’s sake, WAKE UP!

  355. Sukra Charya said

    Mr.Rajahsekar,

    “Vinasha-kale vi-preeta buddhi”
    That is, “He whom the Gods wish to destroy, They first him mad” – or something like that.

    In CL Chumber’s case, once the abuses are filtered out, there’s no logic left. Many of the sentences are not correct even grammatically.
    Most of the Dalits are pious and religious. Not many will like Mr.Chumber’s abuses of Hindu Gods. Perhaps, the end is closer than what he thinks.

  356. aadharabhairava said

    Chumber,

    Your idea of hatered is against adi-dharm.

    I wish to applaud you for tenacity. But understand that you cannot fool everybody all the time. TIME IS ALL PERVADING.

    I can see that you are like the bull fighter. In a bull fight, the fighter, creates an imaginary illusion with a MULETA(red cloth). He misguides people that BULLS are angered by the red cloth. The bull itself is made to belive that the red cloth is bad.

    Now comes the most interesting part. He then uses the red cloth to control the bull and kill it and achieve name and fame for himself. You are also misguiding people and want to ultimately get name and fame by killing them. You are unnecessary making us hate brahmins. What are going to get if we fight with brahmins. If you keep doing like this even the few brahmins who are tolerant and want to change will start seeing us like enemies.

    All the people whom you support know your political motivation. You may not be able to fool them for long. Also let me know who gave you the rignt to call others as dalits, we are indians. Do you know that it is a offence to refer people based on their birth caste.

    Our communities are looking for LOVE and not HATE. You are a sikh, talk only about Sikhs. You have no business to talk about dalits like us. We dont need sympathy or support from people who talk bad about others. We want friends not enemies. Our country has suffered enough because of people like you creating enimity and hatered. We dont want any body to beg for us. We are not inferior to anybody. we are normal human beings. Please dont demean us by begging for recognition from brahmins.

    Dont use your illogical sentiments and your make believe stories to fool us. You are not fooling us, you are only fooling yourself.

    Learn to unite people and not fragment them.

  357. rajahsekar said

    Where is Mr.Chumber,the intelect and his ardent follower and supporter Mr.Rama krishna Sharma.Are you obsconding. Or have you lost your intelectual debate on Hinduism./Bramhinsim.And listen in case you repond to this post, respond to my earlier posts unattended by you , especially in cae of Mr.Rama Krishe Sharma to prove his point on my writings posted addressing him on 30th May,09 and 31st May 09 with a suggestion not to wag if not capable to give some meangful thought.

  358. C. L . CHUMBER said

    THEN YOU MUST DISCARD THE BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM OF GRADATION AND DEGRADATION AND RESPECT THOSE FIFGHT AGAINST THE RAPIST , CASTEIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS TO UNITE THE PEOPLE !!!!!

    aadharabhairava said
    June 3, 2009 @ 11:10 am
    Chumber,
    Learn to unite people and not fragment them.

    • Shukra Charya said

      Why anyone should discard any belief, just to make you happy?
      As I said before, YOU must accept the responsibility of driving the 2-horned Unicorn to extinction. I want to see an apology on THIS FORUM.

  359. C. L . CHUMBER said

    THE ANSWER WHICH I REPLIED TO MR. SUKRA CHARYA IS THE SAME WHICH I REPLIED TO MR. HAPPY HINDU WHICHEARLIER IS RECORDED EVEN AT THE http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=THE+DISTRICT+JALANDHAR+GAZETEER+PUBLISHED+BY+THE+PUNJAB+GOVERNMENT+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= WHICH IS AS BELOW !!!!!

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    October 1, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
    HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
    Dear Viewers ,
    Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/beware-of-meditation/#comment-1769
    My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
    Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
    I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
    https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/

    • Shukra Charya said

      CL Chumber,
      The ONLY texts regarded as Hindu Scriptures are The Ramayana and The Mahabharata. The latter includes Bhagavad Gita.

      All other texts, like Puranas, Manusmritis are NOT sacred texts. You may follow them if you please. But their infalliability is not guaranteed. So quoting Puranas is of little value, if at all. Period.

      You need to come up with better evidence.

    • hh said

      rubbish.

      when did i discard vishnu?

      don’t talk nonsense in your lunacy.

      you are a jobless politician; at best a lunatic on the prowl.

      you cannot even understand a few simple sentences, you only know to keep shouting like a mad man.

  360. C. L . CHUMBER said

    MR. SHUKRA CHARYA JI !
    PLEASE WATCH MY ANOTHER REPLY WHICH HAD BEEN RECORDED AT https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/ AND EVEN AT THE http://www.google.co.in/search?q=THE+DISTRICT+JALANDHAR+GAZETEER+PUBLISHED+BY+THE+PUNJAB+GOVERNMENT&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

    PLEASE READ THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/ THOROULY TO DO DIALOGUE TO SAVE THE TIME OF THE VIEWERS !!!!!

    C .L . CHUMBER said
    September 19, 2008 @ 6:32 am
    MR.HAPPY HINDU AND MANY MORE FICTITIOUS NAMED WORSHIPER , DEFENDER AND GLORIFIERER OF RAPIST VISHANU ( RAPED WITH MATA VARINDA W/O,BHAGWAN JALANDHAR ,READ HINDUS` PADAM PURAN , PUNJAB GOVT.`S DISTT. JALANDHAR GAZETEER AND WATCH MOVIE TULSI-VIVAH ! ) , RACIST -BRAHMA , VISHANU ,RAMA ,PARSHURAM ( BRAHMA INVENTED FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM , VISHANU AND ITS INCARNATIONED EVIL GODS MANTAINED THE FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM BY FORCE , AYODYA`S KING RAM MURDERED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK UNDER BRAHMANS`INSTRUCTIONS ,READ UTTAR KAND CHAPTER OF VALMIKI RAMAYNA ,PARSHURAM AND HIS BARBARIAN BRAHMANS KILLED KSHATTRIYAS 21 GENERATIONS AND RAPED THEIRS WIVES ,DAUGHTERS AND MOTHERS DURING THIS PERIOD ) AND FASCIST BRAHMA , VISHANU AND HIS INCARNATED EVIL GODS ) .
    MR.HAPPY HINDU AND MANY MORE FICTITIOUS NAMED
    DECLARED THAT
    ” Everybody is against rapism, racism and fascism EXCEPT CHUMBER.”

    IS HE DOING E-DIALOGUE OR CREATING ENIMITY AMONG THE VIEWERS ? ACTUALLY I AM FIGHTING AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY BE LIBERATED MENTALLY FROM THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND MR.HAPPY HINDUS ARE ABUSING ME NON STOP
    MAY TRUE GOD AND THE LAW INFORCING AGENCIES OF INDIA AND INTER- POL BLESS/INFORCE THEM TO DISCARD THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!

    • Shukra Charya said

      C.L.CHUMBER, You have to make an argument without using “RAPE” or “FASCIST” or “RACIST”.

      The constant use of “RAPIST” makes us think that you have a unhealthy, sexual fixation on some parts of the human body. It can only lead to trouble. Have you seen a psychiatrist recently?

      • hh said

        Shukaracharya,

        This chap Chumber is already certified mad.

        According to a lawyer, no case can stand against him because court will declare him mad.

        In a country like India, such a man can only be a politician.

  361. C. L . CHUMBER said

    THERE IS A TEMPLE IN MEMORY OF ADI-MATA VARINDA W/O ADI – BHAGWAN JALANDHAR IN WHOSE MEMORY THE JALANDHAR CITY AND JALANDHAR CANTONMENT ARE LOCATED IN PUNJAB .I SEARCHED ‘ JALANDHAR BEACH ‘ AND ‘ JALANDHAR TEMPLE ‘ IN THE DEO ( U.T ) NEAR THE GUJARAT STATE IN MARCH ,2009 .

    Temple of Gupha at some distance from the Temple of Vrinda is the temple of Gupha dedicated to Annapurna (goddess of food grains). Also located nearby are Brahm Kund and some temples dedicated to Shiva.

    COURTESY: http://www.indias.com/StateDetails-47/State+Details.html?stateid=31

  362. C. L . CHUMBER said

    ACCORDING TO THE PADAM PURAN THE JALANDHAR CITY IS IN THE MEMORY OF ADI-BHAGWAN JALANDHAR !!!!!

    A legend in the Padma Purdna ascribes the foundation of Jalandhar
    city to the great Daitya King Jalandhara, who became invincible
    by the practice of unusual austerities.
    COURTESY :http://www.archive.org/stream/imperialgazettee07hunt/imperialgazettee07hunt_djvu.txt

    • Shukra Charya said

      Good news! What makes you think, that he is ANYTHING like you? Do you think he will call the Gods as FASCIST or RACIST?

      More likely, he will put you to death, for uttering such things in his presence.

  363. C. L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE PURCHASE THE PADAM PURAN TO KNOW HOW VISHANU RAPED AN INNOCENT AND PIOUS ADI-MATA VARINDA AND KILLED HER HUSBAND !!!!!

    Padma Purana, Part 9 (Padma-Purana)
    by N. A. Deshpande
    Published by M/s Motilal Banarsidass Publisher , New Delhi .
    Link : http://openlibrary.org/b/OL13130601M/Padma-Purana%2C-Part-9-%28Padma-Purana%29

    THE PADAM PURANA ( ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS IN 10 VOLS. )
    http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDF395/

    • Shukra Charya said

      CL Chumber,
      Firstly, you cannot use Puranas as Reference. You may use it for other reasons.

      Secondly, the total collection must be several thousand pages. IN ALL THOSE PAGES, is this the ONE event that is of interest to you?

  364. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    MR. RAJAHSEKAR !
    PLEASE READ YOUR ABUSIVE AND FILTHY LANGUAGE AS YOU REQUIRED IN YOUR WRITTING DATED 1ST JUNE , 2009 .

    rajahsekar said
    May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
    *What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
    * A single stupid person like you
    *you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
    *bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.

    rajahsekar said
    June 1, 2009 @ 10:24 am

    Hi Mr. R K Sharma,

    What is that filthy writings and abusive language and who is using it. Me????. I think you have to be educated well to recognise filthy writings and foul & abusive language. Any way thank you for your advice. But tell me what is the filth you found in my writings and what is that language that I used considered to be abusive. Please narrate clearly and if I get a convincing answer from you I will surely , unlike you, correct my language and untill such time you need to just stop commenting on my writings with out any thoughtful ,enlighting contribution from you. I think I have not used any filth or abusive .

    Hope you are sure enough to realise what I wrote above addressing you.

    God bless you

    RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
    May 31, 2009 @ 9:35 am
    MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
    PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .

    rajahsekar said
    May 29, 2009 @ 9:15 am

    Ho Mr.Chumber,
    I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectua

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    May 28, 2009 @ 6:14 am

    THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
    HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!

    • Shukra Charya said

      SHARMA-ji,
      So, he is accusing you of being ‘stupid’. Instead of abusing his beliefs, prove him wrong. You can do by debating as a civilized person. Did you do that?

  365. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I am on tour to attend the convocation of my eldest daughtr`s M.B.A. degree of Wales University , U.K. campus at Pune on 6th June , 2009 at the Le Meredian Hotel , Pune ( Maharshtra ) .Then I will be on my research tour of Maharashtra , Andhra Pardesh and Karnatka . That is why I could not react / re-react to the writings.
    On 7th June , 2009 , I visited Guru Gayaneshwar`s Smadhi Sthal at Alindi situated on the river Inderyani river in district Pune of Maharashtra state .You may in details in this blog anywhere .My family members and my friends of Maharashtra are co-operating and co-ordinating during this research tour and they themselves feel enlighten by visint these religious and historical places .
    Adi-purakh mya bless them with money power , mind power and muscle power ( healthy mind in a healthy body ) to live with self-respectful !!!!!

    • Shukra Charya said

      This is indeed a surprise! You have actually made a posting without the usual “RACIST”, “RAPIST” or “FASCIST”.

      I noticed that you have mentioned your family members here. Maybe, you should stick to your habit. It might be appropriate after all.

  366. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Viewers ,
    You may read about my Alindi tour as well as very very comparitive and informative analysis firstever .This for your convinience .

  367. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    YES , RAMA WAS A KING NOT INCARNATION OF GOD .HE MAY BE INCARNATION OF VISHANU BUT VISHANU WAS NOT AN INCARNATION OF GOD BECAUSE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT , FORMLESS AND NOT PREJUDICE TO ANYONE AS HINDU GODS WERE .

    MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ABSENT MIND . HE DID NOT REPLIED TO MR. CHUMBER`S REPLY PROPERLY .hE ARISED THE QUESTION OF SITA`S BANISHMENT BUT HE WROTE ABOUT RAMA`S BANISHMENT .

    hh said
    June 5, 2009 @ 2:59 am
    RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !
    ———-

    Rama was a king. He did not need to “save any chair”. He gave away the kingdom to Bharat and went to forest.

    Your missionary version of Ramayan will sell amongst self-appointed dalits in india. You cannot change Ramayan or ask people not to follow Ramayan in Thailand, Indonesia, et,

    • hh said

      Chumber alias Ram Krishna Sharma,

      You seem to be very “present mind” – that is why “both” of you use the same type of language 🙂

      If you think Rama was not incarnation of Vishnu, so be it. I am not forcing you to consider him as god.

      I think Rama is God. It is my wish. You cannot force me to think otherwise.

    • Shukra Charya said

      Sharma-ji,
      You say “VISHANU WAS NOT AN INCARNATION OF GOD BECAUSE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT , FORMLESS..”

      Question: How do you know?

  368. rajahsekar said

    Mr.RKSharma,

    This is in reference to your reply on 7th June 09. As sugeested by you I have read my posting dtd 1st june 09 and did not find any filth and abusive in it. Why do not you explicitly mention those words considered abusive and filth hha!!

    I am sure you have nothing to prove on that and you are just following Mr.Chumber like a blind man following an other. Do’nt you think so ?. Come on Mr.Sharma wake up, shake up yourself and give some concrete thought about what Mr.Chumber is preaching with out any prejudiced opinion.

    OR IS that Mr.Chumber is taking your help just to counter me since he is unable to reply my queries? HA. Or just to keep me busy to find and write some stories of his own as if he is the whole and the soul authority to comment on what ever he conclude is right as it appear in his writings on Ramayan. And ofcourse he will not br able to counter my queries I realised. And actually stopped writing but for your 7th june reply.

    There are few hundred or thousands of people against hinduism propagating against the hindu philosophy and same like people spreading the awareness about Hinduism. Simple example, our Iskcon Temples flourishing in creating awareness. You people CAN NOT DO anything with such a huge and international community to stop their work. YOU PEOPLE ONLY HAVE TO HOWL.

    Hope will hear from you.

    God bless you

    • hh said

      rajahsekar,

      this chumber is mad.

      trying to reason out with him makes no sense – his wiring is faulty. nothing will register the right way.

    • Shukra Charya said

      Sharma-ji,
      You want to believe in a God that is formless. We don’t know if its right or wrong, but you are free to believe in it – EVEN IF ITS WRONG. That is your Constitutional right. No one on this forum will question you.

      But your constitutional rights stop there. You cannot tell others that they are wrong, when they believe in a God who has a form. Like you, they too have Constitutional rights.

      Believe in a God, WHO HAS A FORM is not incorrect. It makes more sense and can be proved scientifically and logically.
      Once God has a form as a human being, he is bound by the same natural laws that affects the rest of us. He HAS to eat, for instance. He has height and weight. The physical form will also die – because those are the laws of
      physics. By taking a physical shape, that is an incarnation, Lord Rama shows us how a man must behave, how a husband must behave, how a king must behave, how a leader should behave. He has set an example for all of us –
      from the poorest to the richest.

      Among all the faiths, the Hindu faith alone is non-prejudicial. IT DOES NOT GRANT ANY FAVORS TO ANY GROUP. There are no ‘Quraishi’s or ‘chosen people’. Brahmins do NOT get a place of privilege. If anything, the laws are
      stricter for them. King Ravana was a Brahmin – but he got punished too. For Dalits, Hinduism is the best religion.

      For those who believe in a formless God: the situation is very strange. They believe that communication to God is possible only through an ordained priest (i.e. a mullah or a bishop). This priest, is a human being, like the
      rest of us – but he apparently has special powers. He has a special hotline to God! Why? This priest has access to exactly the same religious books that you do. How is it, YOU DO NOT HAVE A HOTLINE AND THE PRIEST DOES?otline and he does?

  369. kabalamaali said

    What are your arguing about.

    all will become ash. it is only a question of wheter your time has come.

    at your levels of thinking, you can neither understand nor analyse any thing.

    Death is life itself. Death breaks body into water, air fire earth and space.

    Your time is very short may be century at the maximum. But time has seen 1000’s of centuries.

    Anyone who wants to experience god fully has to come out of this limiting object called body, which is indulging in chit chatting and worthless gossiping.
    Some people wants to show off that he is the most intelligent person on earth and talking as though he knows everything. The fact is that he knows nothing. What he knows is infinetisimally small compared to what there is to know.

    Dont worry whether Rama is god or Adhi bhagawan is god. understand yourself

    • Shukra Charya said

      Kabalimaali,
      No offence intended. Just out of curiosity – what do you think happens to “water, fire, earth and space”.

      Not a trick question. Just plain curiousity.

  370. C .L . CHUMBER said

    HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU AND MR. SHUKRA CHARYA ARE THE NAMES OF A SAME PERSON WHO HAVE A CHICHEN HEART HAVING NOT SHOWN HIS / HER REAL IDENTITY !!!!!
    THE SAME QUESTION AND SAME WORDING ONCE WRITTEN BY MR. HAPPY HINDU WHICH CAN BE REPRODUCED FROM THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com IF BOTH OR ANYONE CAN ARISE QUESTION .
    i DO NOT USE WORD RAPIST ALONE AS THE EVIL GODS HAD NOT ONLY DISQUALIFICATION OF BEING RAPIST , THEY ALSO HAD THE QUALITIES OF BEING RACEISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
    THE FOLLOWERS OF THESE EVIL GODS ARE MENTALLY ILL SINCE CENTURIES FROM THIS IRECURABLE DEASEASE !!!!!

    Shukra Charya said
    June 8, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
    C.L.CHUMBER, You have to make an argument without using “RAPE” or “FASCIST” or “RACIST”.

    The constant use of “RAPIST” makes us think that you have a unhealthy, sexual fixation on some parts of the human body. It can only lead to trouble. Have you seen a psychiatrist recently?

    • hh said

      Chumber,

      First, Shukracharya and I are not the same person. He is arguing in favor of a few things that I did not bother about so far. But I am reading up on his writing and yes ofcourse loving it.

      Second, your job is to counter the questions presented to you. You be bothered about that. It is clear that apart from abusing, you know nothing. You are very lucky to be considered mad. Or your fate would have been certainly jail or mental asylum. Thank your “true god” for being considered mad.

      Third, hindu gods have not committed any of those crimes that you claim they did. But you will insist on it. Without proof from the original scriptures. Yours is just a political agenda that also serves missionaries on the sidelines. That is what you do for a living. And you cannot deny it.

  371. C .L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THE LAST LINE AS BELOW :-
    HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?

  372. Shukra Charya said

    “MR. HAPPY HINDU AND MR. SHUKRA CHARYA ARE THE NAMES OF A SAME PERSON …”

    This IS the problem.
    1. You have never seen or met Mr.Happy Hindu or myself.
    2. You have never seen my other writings.
    3. You don’t know about our backgrounds or professions
    4. You don’t know about my friends or relatives

    How did you conclude that we are one and the same person? You have JUMPED TO A CONCLUSION – and a wrong one at that.

    You said you have a daughter, who has a MBA. Go and show it to her. See if she agrees with your reasoning. Come back to this forum and tell us.

  373. Shukra Charya said

    Chumber
    “HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?..”

    Answer my question and I will answer yours. Tell us why these Gods are evil. You need to come up with evidence, going right back to the Sanskrit sloka itself.

  374. rajashekar said

    Hi,HH,

    Thank you for your concern for defying the senseless howling and criminalisation of Hinduism . Do not lose ur heart and withdraw till some one teach this stupid and treacherous people called Mr Chumber and his ardent follower MR. Rama Krishna Sharma.

    This man Mr.Chumber and his follower RK Sharma are fugitives. They do not focus on the questions posed to them but reproduce what we write and run away from the topic. Cowards.

  375. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    We’re even more racist than Aussies
    cOURTESY : http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/we-re-even-more-racist

    • Shukra Charya said

      Sharma-ji,
      Just to make sure you don’t get carried away by what the TOI has written.

      Here is something to wake you up.

      ” … CHINA, JAPAN, the Arab nations and Israel, and the European Union are likely to be the MOST RACIST — in a descending order.”

      “AMERICA and INDIA would be the LEAST RACIST.”

      http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1261718

  376. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    We are arguing about the caste / varna system which is the main and only cause of down fall of India since centuries .
    We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion .
    Let us find the solution of these problems amicably .

    kabalamaali said
    June 9, 2009 @ 10:37 am
    What are your arguing about.

  377. Shukra Charya said

    Sharma-ji,
    You say “We are arguing about the caste / varna system which is the main and only cause of down fall of India since centuries..”

    The perpetual problem for India, over the centuries, has nothing to do with
    caste. It has all to do with people who suffer from over-inflated egos OR people who suffer from imagined injustice (almost an hallucination).

    In the north, we have Raja Jai Chand, who helped invaders against Prithvi Raj
    Chauhan. In the south, we have a small Raja who ensured the capture of the patriot Katta-bomman by the British. There are hundreds of other examples.

    In India, we are poor because we don’t generate enough wealth. Whatever little is generated, is claimed by different groups. In effect, its like trying to fill a bucket, which has a large hole at the bottom. So, we can never fill the bucket.

    Worst of all, the groups that claim the most wealth (that is, the wealth generated by someone else) HAVE NO INTEREST TO GENERATE ANY WEALTH BY THEMSELVES.

    Most of the Dalits I know, are people who value self-respect. THEY WANT NO
    HANDOUTS. These people would rather starve than beg. Such people form the backbone of our nation, because they believe in generating wealth themselves.

    What about the people who claim to represent Dalits on this forum? These are the modern day JaiChands – guys who want to tear Hindu society. Today, we can rightly call them TERRORISTS.

  378. Shukra Charya said

    Sharma-ji
    You said “We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion ..”

    I find this strange. This argument about about ‘HINDU’ Gods, I mean. Hinduism allows us the complete spectrum – from NO God to millions of Gods (of either gender AND neither gender).

    You can be a good Hindu even if you are an athiest. Or worship a million Gods, if you choose to.

    To be a good Hindu, I do not have to pray 5 times a day. Nor do I have to listen to a sermon from some (dim-witted?) priest every Sunday. That also means that in an election, I vote for the candidate of MY choice – not the PRIEST’S.

    I do not have to go to a temple. I am permitted to have a personal altar and worship from home. And that too at times, that are convenient TO ME.

    When my conscience bothers me, I can search for direction from our Scriptures and do atonement. I DO NOT HAVE TO SEEK A PRIEST’S FORGIVENESS. A mullah or a bishop is a human being, just like you or me. It seems silly that he has the authority to forgive someone!!

    In spite of all the freedoms, you still feel constrained – convert to another faith. Once you belong to another faith, STOP complaining about Sri Brahma or Sri Vishnu or Sri Siva. Also STOP complaining about castes – because, other religions promised you the absence of caste. Be aware though, people (by and large) who have converted – REGRET it. But its your choice.

    So, why do want to abuse Hindu Gods and other people on this forum?

  379. Shukra Charya said

    Sharma-ji,
    You said “.. Let us find the solution of these problems amicably..”.

    Yes, we can have an amicable discussion.

    To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.
    Then we can start the debate.

    DO WE HAVE A DEAL ?

  380. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THIS BLOG . THESE QUESTIONS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES .THE VEDAS , PURANAS ,RAMAYNA , MAHABHARTA , MANU SIMIRTY ARE TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH , HINDI AND VARNACULAR LANGUAGES . YOU CAN READ AND KNOW ABOUT THE EVIL GODS .

    Shukra Charya said
    June 10, 2009 @ 11:26 am
    Chumber
    “HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?..”

    Answer my question and I will answer yours. Tell us why these Gods are evil. You need to come up with evidence, going right back to the Sanskrit sloka itself.

    • hh said

      You even lied that manusmrithi says a brahmin can rape. You have only kept lying so far. Do not allege. Provide the actual verses from the sanskrit scriptures. Prove why you think gods are evil.

  381. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PEOPLE TALK OF HONESTY BUT THEY LIKE THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS , RELATIVES AND FRIENDS ! LOOK AT M/S HAPPY HINDUS WHO NEVER APPRECIATED MY HONESTY INSTED OF ABUSING BITTERLY .HAD ANY PROMINENT POLITICIAN PLEDGED HIS / HER HOUSE FOR HIGHER STUDY OF CHILDREN .I DO NOT BELIEVE IN VOTE POLITICS FOR MYSELF .

    ONCE I ASKED MY DAUGHTER TO APPEAR IN THE CIVIL SERVICES EXAM BUT HE DECLINED THIS SUGESSION AS I DECLINED OF MY UNCLE WHO WAS DY. SECRETARY OF THE U.P.S.C. OF INDIA ! MY FAMILY LIKE ME AS A WRITER .

    THE POLITICS IS NOW THE PUPPET OF THE CAPITALISTS , MAFIA AND BRAHMINISM ,
    aadharabhairava said
    June 9, 2009 @ 11:18 am
    Chumber,

    May be you can ask your daughter to become a politician. We may have a MBA person.

  382. C . L . CHUMBER said

    SHUKRA CHARYA !
    WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS .IF WE ARE JAI CHANDS THEN YOUR RAM WAS ALSO JAI CHAND .
    IF WE ARE TERRORISTS THEN YOUR RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ARE TRUELY TERRORISTS ALSO !!!!!

    PRITHVY RAJ CHAUHAN ABDUCTED JAI CHAND`S DAUGHTER !
    RAMA KILLED RAVNA FOR SITA ABDUCTION WITH THE HELP OF SUGRIV , HANUMAN AND JAAWANT .
    COULD JAI CHAND NOT TAKE REVENGE FROM PRITHVI RAJ CHAUHAN WITH THE HELP OF ANY KING ?

    SHUKRA CHARYA ! WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS .IF WE ARE JAI CHANDS THEN YOUR RAM WAS ALSO JAI CHAND .
    IF WE ARE TERRORISTS THEN YOUR RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ARE TRUELY TERRORISTS ALSO !!!!!

    YOU ARE THE SON / DAUGHTER OF TERRORIST PARENTS AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY IS TERRORIST FAMILY !!!!!
    Shukra Charya said
    June 11, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

    What about the people who claim to represent Dalits on this forum? These are the modern day JaiChands – guys who want to tear Hindu society. Today, we can rightly call them TERRORISTS.

    • Shukra Charya said

      “..WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS..”.

      WE ARE NOT? Maybe, a closer look would help.
      1. You seem to be abusing a lot of people.
      (Be polite, even if you disagree).

      2. You are calling their Gods by VERY BAD names.
      (In other countries, people who insult Gods, are usually put to death. If you don’t like Hindu Gods, don’t go to the temple. Don’t worship them at home, either. Since most of the people don’t care whether you worship or not; your sole intent seems to be to hurt the feelings of others).

      3. You have failed to provide a single iota of evidence for any claim.
      (You are on a forum where people are judged by what they write. You cannot make accusations against Hindus or Brahmins, without providing evidence.

      That evidence, is more difficult than it seems at first sight. Most arguments against Hinduism, cannot stand the rigors of a law-court. They cannot withstand the passionate debate with a religious scholar. Worst of all, the arguments against Hinduism cannot stand even sound reasoning.).

      Your point may be to rectify discriminations. Discriminations are a blot on society and everyone on this forum will support your cause against ANY discrimination.

      IS THAT YOUR STAND?

    • Shukra Charya said

      “PRITHVY RAJ CHAUHAN ABDUCTED JAI CHAND`S DAUGHTER !”

      Just to make sure that we have the facts right.
      Prithvi Raj Chauhan was in love with JaiChand’s daughter. Yes, he continued to love her, even after being insulted by JaiChand. And Jai Chand’s daughter returned his love. And she went willingly with him.

      The act of running away with a lover, to get married is called ELOPEMENT. Its NOT a crime.

      Abduction IS a crime – and is punishable by law.

      The enemy that Jai Chand had to overcome was his OWN EGO – not Prithvi Raj Chauhan. As they say, Jai Chand was a legend in his own mind. And his EGO led him to conspire with an invader. That eventually destroyed his kingdom too.

      Today, its not so different. When people ask for changes within the Hindu society, one asks the question: Are they Reformers (like Lord Buddha) or something else? When the people hurl insults and use abusive language, its clear that they are not interested in any Reformation of the society at large. They do not even represent the interests of the community that they claim to represent.

      So, if your motive is genuine, remove all abusive language. Insults and abuses of Hindu Gods and Hindu society must go. Instead, bring in all the cases of Discrimination. You will be surprised at the extent of support that you get even from non-Dalits.

  383. Shukra Charya said

    Chumber,
    You say “THESE QUESTIONS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES .THE..”.

    That is NOT the point. Simply “discussing” does NOT make something TRUE.

    Before Christopher Columbus went AROUND the world, and proved it was a globe, the world was thought to be FLAT. (In fact, some religious texts still say its flat!). Before that proof, THAT question was also discussed many, MANY times – and always the answer WAS INCORRECT.

    Christopher Columbus proved all those people wrong. How? By showing them the evidence.

    You talk of “EVIL” Gods as though you had evidence. We want to see the evidence – where IS IT?

  384. Shukra Charya said

    Chumber,

    “..YOU CAN READ AND KNOW ABOUT THE EVIL GODS..”.

    Are you telling us that you have NO EVIDENCE?

  385. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said

    Everything has been discussed in this blog .We are not abusing any one except using references of the Hindu scriptures .

    Shukra Charya said
    June 11, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
    Sharma-ji
    You said “We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion ..”

    _ _ _
    So, why do want to abuse Hindu Gods and other people on this forum?

    • Shukra Charya said

      Sharma-ji,
      Manusmriti is NOT a religious text – and you may not use it so.

      What you are trying to do is justify some present-day discrimination (real or imagined) by quoting some event from the past, possibly a Scripture.

      1. You have to provide evidence that you (and your community alone) have been discriminated.
      Since I see a lot Brahmins, who seem to be in same boat, your argument fails. According to your argument, this community is responsible for all your troubles!! There is a severe disconnect with reality.

      2. When you quote the Scripture, you HAVE to do the following:
      a) State the actual Sanskrit sloka (line, text and verse)
      b) State the events before and after in which it takes place (to give it context)
      c) The code of conduct it supposedly violates
      d) What you find unacceptable

      You CANNOT quote the Scripture for your convenience. You cannot say, for instance: “I am taking 6 months off from office, because Kumbhkarna (Ravana’s brother) slept for half a year.”.

  386. DUKHI INDIA said

    I read this blog with interest thorougly .It is very interesting and informative especially on Hindu Gods and the caste system .I read the views of Mr. Ram Kishan Sharma ,” Let us find the solution of these problems amicably.” I also read the views of Mr. Shukracharya ( June 11, 2009 @ 8:42 pm ) ,” Yes, we can have an amicable discussion. To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.Then we can start the debate.DO WE HAVE A DEAL ? ”

    I am a new person and express my views . I agree with Mr. Sharma .Mr. Shukracharya is living in the Hindu India governed bt Manuwadi mentality . He must know that this is the constitutional India with democracy where the Hindu social system had been buried on 26th January when this constitution was implemented on that day .

    Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue .

    Shukra Charya said
    June 11, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
    Sharma-ji,
    You said “.. Let us find the solution of these problems amicably..”.

    Yes, we can have an amicable discussion.

    To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.
    Then we can start the debate.

    DO WE HAVE A DEAL ?

    • Shukra Charya said

      “Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue.”.

      Dr.Ambedkar, when he went to the West, wore the garb of a westerner. THAT WAS A PRECONDITION to be considered as CIVILIZED. And Ambedkar willingly accepted THAT pre-condition. Today, ALL photographs we see show him attired in a Western suit.

      Today, to be considered civilized ON THIS FORUM, you do not have to change your garb. You only have REMOVE your abuses.

      Chumber, will you follow Dr. Ambedkar’s example?

  387. Shukra Charya said

    “Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue.”

    Mr/Ms/Mrs. Dukhi,
    Even in your reply, you HAD to resort to abusive terms like “Manuwadi” – even BEFORE coming to the table.

    This is a terrorist tactic. Asking your opponent to give ground, as a pre-condition to the start of a dialogue. You forget that both sides have the protections of the SAME Constitutional Rights.

    Both parties have the right to be treated like human beings. Along with this right, comes a responsibility, the responsibility of treating others as equals and human beings. Each right comes with an associated responsibility.Yes, much as it may come as a surprise, THIS IS A PRECONDITION FOR ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY. This is the rule that we created, when we walked out of the cave.

    (What is left unsaid is this: If you find this responsibility “UNACCEPTABLE”, society thinks that you are unfit for the corresponding RIGHTS too. And the concerned people can go back to their caves.)

  388. Shukra Charya said

    “..Hindu social system had been buried on 26th January…”.

    Don’t fool yourself. Hindu social system is very much alive. It has stood the test of time, BECAUSE IT WORKS. People who have faith in it will continue to abide by it.

    No one likes Discriminations. But when, they are brought to light, Hindu society has reacted appropriately. There has been a Dalit in the Central Cabinet – going right back to the days of Nehru/Indira. Many may remember Mr.Jagjivan Ram. Others will also recall Mr.Narayanan – the President. In addition, Reservation or Affirmative action is in place. Perhaps, as we get wealthier as a nation, we can do more.

    But when people go out their way to abuse others – and poison the air, many will question the wisdom of Reservation. Calling others as ‘behen_*hod’ and MF may be appropriate in rural Punjab, but it is unsuitable HERE.

  389. C . L . CHUMBER said

    PLEASE READ THE BOOK REVIEW OF THE VARAH PURANA WHICH RECORDED HOW THE ABORIGINAL INDIAN HERO HIRANYAKSHA AND HIS BROTHER AND SISTER WERE KILLED BRUTALLY .

    * Purana in praise of Vishnu
    by V. N. GOPALA DESIKACHARIAR
    As is well known, Varaha is one of the 10 avataras (incarnations) of Vishnu, where he took the form of a boar to rescue ‘mother earth’ (Bhoomi Devi) from the demon, Hiranyaksha. Named after that incarnation, the Varaha Purana was originally stated to have contained 24,000 verses, but in the form now available it has only about 10,000 verses.
    Courtesy :
    http://www.hindu.com/br/2009/06/16/stories/2009061650061200.htm