Friends of the Western Buddhist cults are Enemies of Dalits

Ever since we published our article on the Brahminical conspiracy to dilute Buddism through Vipassana (Refer – Beware of Meditation – Dalit Nation Dec 2007) there has been a huge turmoil in the Dalit Intelligentsia. We stirred a hornet’s nest more than a year ago by debunking this Vipassana myth. Many psuedo Dalit intellectuals who are sold out to Goenkawadis (who are manuwadis with a Buddhist mask) are pestering us to retract our statements on Vipassana meditation. We at Dalit Nation want to reiterate again that Vipassana meditation has no place in Buddhist Dharma. Buddhist Dharma is revolutionary and runs counter to the useless leisure class activity of Vipassana meditation. Vipassana is a creation of our Brahmin oppressors to quiet down the Dalit Movement.

The Brahmins being a micro minority are ever vigilant to any threat to their hegemony. When Babasaheb converted to Buddhism in October 1956 the Brahminical forces started working against Buddhism through multiple channels. We at Dalit Nation would like to expose four of these movements. The first was the Mahayana of the Tibetian tyrant Dalai Lama (Refer Dalit Nation – Brahmin Deception through Dalai Lama). The second was through Goenka’s Vipassana meditation cult of Brahminical Burmese Buddhism. The third through the Sokka Gokkai cult of Nicheren Buddhism. The main practice of the Sokka Gokkai cult is Brahminical mantra chanting except that the mantra is that of the Buddha. The fourth, which not many are aware of in Dalit circles is the FWBO or the Friends of the Western Buddhist Order created by the misogynist, narcisstic and perverted British Buddhist monk Sangharakshita aka Dennis Lingwood.

It is very sad that some of our bright and intelligent Dalit youths are caught up in this FWBO which is another Buddhist cult to smother the Dalit Apprising. The Editor of Dalit Nation had met Sangharakshita in London many decades ago. We wanted to talk about his association with Babasaheb and Dalit movement. We also wanted to know more about the dangers of Vipassana meditation. Sangharakshita had stopped the vipassana practice in his centres in UK as it lead to nervous breakdown and created lunacy. But instead of talking to us about these things the senile old Sangharakshita was so full of himself and his so called liberating teachings. It did not take much time for us to realize that this man was another subtle front for Brahminism in the name of Buddhism.

It is not surprising for us that he learnt Buddhism through Brahmins like Bhikku Jagdish Kashyap. Sangharakshita also spent a huge amount of time in India chasing Hindu holymen and sadhus like Ramana Maharishi, Anandamayi Ma, Ramdas and many others. How can we expect that such a person is the friend of Dalits. Can this man be trusted for working on the Dalit cause. A Brahimincal hippy in Buddhist mould is what we at Dalitnation term such people.

At the time we met Sangharakshita many Dalits were involved in FWBO. They were fooled into believing that Sangharakshita was a friend of Babasaheb Ambedkar. When we did more research on this man we discovered that not only was he not a friend of Babasaheb he was actually working against the revolutionary ideas of Babasaheb. This friend of Dalits had written an article in Mahabodi Journal (1959) that Ambedkar never understood Buddhism and his revolutionary book ‘Buddha and His Dharma’ should be renamed as ‘Ambedkar and his dharma’. Sangharakshita accused Ambedkar of using Buddhism to further his political ambitions. Babasaheb whose every life breath was dedicated to the Dalit upliftment was being told that he is using buddhism for his own self aggrandizement. Atrocious.

Due to our expose of Sangharakshita in 1998 most dalits dissociated from this cult. This same Sangharakshita is back again in the garb of Trailokya Bauddha Mahasangha Sahayak Gana (TBMSG). He and his foillowers have created trusts and scholarships to gather funds and propogate the personality cult. Bright Dalit youths are lured into such cults. The fund managers of trusts like Trailokya Bauddha Mahasangha Sahayaka Gana which is the indian wing of FWBO control the mind of the bright Dalit youths. The Dalits who are part of these movements have expressed to us that their minds have been enslaved by these trusts and they have no time for the revolutionary activities envisaged by Babasaheb.

We at Dalit Nation will spare no efforts to expose these criminials like Sangharakshita and vicious organizations like FWBO and TBMSG. Our Dalit youths should be one pointed towards the goal laid out by Babasaheb and we should avoid these cults like filth. These cults are no different from the Brahminical Cow Dung cults.

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  1. C.L.CHUMBER said

    Your article is very informative and revolutionary article .Your good self had exposed Goenika and Dalai Lama before this . I congratulate you for this article and hope that you will continue your mission to liberate the Indian aboriginals ..

    • Hindu Pragmatist said

      It is certainly a good read. Interesting to find that the dozen or so dalit activists have as many factions and fissures among them. If you have more on these Buddist cults please do write. We interested in the Tamasha.

      FWIW, there is a reason why we made Ambedkar to go into Buddism rather than fall a prey to the lure of Nizam and Christian missionaries half-century ago.

  2. kumarpush said

    Dear Buddhist Bandhu,Mr Goenka,Sangharakshita,TBMG and FWBO, are brahmin cult who are making dalits hinduised in different way.Once Dalai lama had told that dr Ambedkar Buddhism is no Buddhism and now he is sending his sisters and brothers to Nagpur to meet dalits.Dalai lama is a CIA agent who is getting 80 million dollar per year from America ,One should ask him how he is running government in exile and traveling in charted plane.I had big discussion in Atrocities .org about Dalai Lama and their goons ,how they financed thier government in exile.Goenka is RSS man who brought to India by shankracharya to defeat the Buddhist In India.What a shame for Buddhist in India that RSS man used to be the chief of Bodh Gaya and these Mr Goenka,Dalai Lama,tBmg and FOWB never opened their mouth abot chief of Bodh Gaya that how hindu and terrorist organisation can become chief of Bodh gaya.time has come dalits should exposed these thugg of buddhist religion and Bring the Ambedkar Buddhism in India.Dr Ambedkar is our Pagamber and Buddha and his Dhamma is our Kuran and this is responsibilities of dalits masses to save the Dhamma and our holy book.Jai Bheem.

    • raasan said

      gud 2 read

    • paratrup2012 said

      Wow. Such brilliant analysis by kumarpurush

  3. Paul said

    Before making up your mind about this please read more on this frankly potty site. It claims amongst other things that the Buddha never taught meditation (as exposed by Ambedkar).

    A quick scan of “The Buddha and His Dhamma” by Ambedkar churns up gems such as “By confidence, by virtue, by energy, by meditation, by investigation into the Truth, by perfection in knowledge and conduct, by recollectedness, leave ye this great suffering behind.” and “Give not yourselves unto negligence. Have naught to do with the lust of the flesh. The vigilant is given to meditation.”.

    It appears that the authors of this site not only misunderstand Buddhism, but Ambedkar also

    • Saint said

      Paul,
      It is not that the authors of this blog misunderstood Buddha or Ambedkar, it is their agenda!.
      These guys procrastinate to another procrastinator known as VTRajasekhar, he has been shrewdly misusing Dalit society in the name of Dalits, he has been writing outrageous news. Though there are certain areas of his writings against brahmins and hindus go along the Dalits thoughts, many areas are murky and misused. Buddhism and Meditation is one of the main area VTR has been sabotaging the dalits.

      His understanding about Dr.Ambedkar may not be complete and erroneous but he has no understanding about Buddha’s meditation. Infact, he has the audacity to claim Buddha never practiced meditation, this alone reflects his shallow knowledge as well as sabotagery nature that he want to tell a twisted story.

      • Siddharth Mourya said

        Thanks Paul and Saint,

        this article is demoralizing and false, vipassana is really helpful to achieve your goals and get the momentum in movement. if every individual practice vipassana then he can be sharp and achieve the heights to liberate the masses from caste system.

    • paratrup2012 said

      If you have read the books then there is a possibility of misunderstanding. But if you have not read? This guy has neither read Buddhism nor has he read Ambedkar. For all his claims as Ambedkar as paigamber, Buddhism as Quran, he just an ignorant lout. If Ambedkar were here he would have taken slippers to this man for not using his brains

  4. happyhind said

    Paul,

    How do you expect people with no brain to understand anything at all….where is the question of misunderstanding something.

    There is no buddhism, nothing here.

    These guys are just selling storybooks to make a living. And begging for money in the so-called name of religion.

  5. pushpa said

    Dear paul,All hindus had said this to world,Meditation is for monks not for the common people who want to come out from the hindu hell.Dr Ambedkar had understood and written volume of books on Buddhism.Buddhism is scientific religion and their is no place for black magic and kalchakra.

  6. hh said

    Ambedkar’s navayana 22 vows has only 2 points on following buddhism. The rest is all about rejecting something or the other.

    In buddhism, one cannot “dislike something to like something”. It creates a conflict situation (there is a particular term for this actually, i forgot).

    Ambedkar created a grey area with those 22 vows – he asks people to reject something without allowing the other person to reason it out themselves. It is precriptive (like islam, christianity); and in being prescriptive it creates a grey area of “dislike” inside the followers mind.

    Ambedkar himself did not understand buddhism properly. He was essentially a politician and lawyer. His buddhism might be called “political buddhism” (much like the “political shivology” followed by the tamil tigers and some dravidian parties) partaking very little of actual buddhism of any form.

    That is probably why his followers are confused. Obviously they feel threatened when they see actual buddhism, and keep targetting the Dalai Lama for nothing. Though tibetan buddhism is not the only form of buddhism, these chaps will ofcourse not understand that as well.

    Its a difficult situation for them. Instead of targetting religion (which is never going to help them economically anyways), they might just put in that zeal as well into developing themselves. Better monetary status resulting in better self-esteem will also likely help in weaning them away from the necessity to target religions.

    • paratrup2012 said

      I have to agree with you excepting that Ambedkar did go into various religions before accepting Buddhism. We was offered Rs. 1 crore to become a Muslim. His criticism of some of the aspects of Hinduism still have intellectual vigour. This he produced when he was discriminated against and when he was poor. In comparison, today so called Dalit intellectuals (like Illiah or Kandasamy) are either just befooling themselves or Dalits and leading them up the garden path. just raising of economic status has not produced any intellectuals amongst Dalits. The funny thing is both of them are under OBC not Dalit Category and Rajasekhar is from forward caste (if we still need to discuss the caste issue here).

  7. KUMARPUSH said

    Dear Paul,175 million dalits know dr ambedkar and his buddha and his dhamma.Buddhism is scietific religion and even Buddha had said ,I am not a imortant person in religion ,thats why you donot find any history or real photograph of Buddha and his family members.I believe that thosand of artists were present Buddha period who would have drew the buddha picture but true disciple of buddha follows the words of Buddha.22 vows is the integral part of Buddhism in India because we donot want to buddhist to go back to hinduism again.In India ,all medias whether prints or electronic is being run by hindus and their hindu led governmet and they donot want that dalits should embrace the buddhism.

  8. KUMARPUSH said

    Dear Paul,you said that Dr Ambedkar misunderstood buddhism means you are having candle light and telling the sun that my candle give more energy to earth rather then sun.

  9. C.L.CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU ! PLEASE INFORM US THE PRICE OF YOUR BRAIN AND THE NAME OF THE SHOP AND ADDRESS FROM WHERE YOU PURCHASED AND FITTED THIS BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL !!!!!

    happyhind said,

    January 9, 2009 @ 7:37 am

    Paul,

    How do you expect people with no brain to understand anything at all….where is the question of misunderstanding something.

  10. C.L.CHUMBER said

    PLEASE INFORM US THE PRICE OF YOUR BRAIN AND THE NAME OF THE SHOP AND ADDRESS FROM WHERE YOU PURCHASED AND FITTED THIS BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL !!!!!

    happyhind said,

    January 9, 2009 @ 7:37 am

    Paul,

    How do you expect people with no brain to understand anything at all….where is the question of misunderstanding something.

  11. happyhind said

    Chumber,

    If you want people to think you have any brain or any sense apart from lying all the time, do this:

    1) Provide details of the case you have filed.

    2) Prove that hindu scriptures endorse rape by writing down the exact verses here.

  12. happyhind said

    PLEASE INFORM US THE PRICE OF YOUR BRAIN AND THE NAME OF THE SHOP AND ADDRESS FROM WHERE YOU PURCHASED AND FITTED THIS BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL !!!!!
    ====================

    Look at what i had posted and look at what you have replied:
    ———-
    Paul,

    How do you expect people with no brain to understand anything at all….where is the question of misunderstanding something.

    There is no buddhism, nothing here.

    These guys are just selling storybooks to make a living. And begging for money in the so-called name of religion.
    ————

    Chumber,

    Did i mention your name anywhere above ?

    Similarly you responded to below even though your name was not mentioned anywhere:
    “Sadak pe baitha Pagal Aadmi. Rs.5″
    “Main Gadha Hoon. Rs.10″

    After pointing out that your brain recognizes only two things as an “abuse” (rape and being mad), and rejects others, now you have started responding to just one another thing – stuff that points out idiocy. You automatically assume it is you being spoken about.

    Chumber you know what ppl recognize as an abuse – it is what they usually go thru themselves.

    Call a friend ‘silly’ or ‘stupid’ casually, they will not register it negatively, but in the same way call someone who has been bullied or gone thru an abuse phase with the same words, they will register it negatively someway or the other or they will be uncomfortable about it.

    Its good that DN has started moderating comments – they shd hv done it a long time ago.

    Coming back to both your above responses, why do you feel it is you being spoken about? Obviously you know what it is about… I need not say anything more. You are actually coming around.

    Now Chumber,

    You got just 2 things to do:

    1) Reproduce the exact verses that endorse rape in hindu scriptures.

    2) Provide detials of the case you have filed.

  13. happyhind said

    Dalit Nation,

    Please make sure this comment comes up on the site:

    PLEASE INFORM US THE PRICE OF YOUR BRAIN AND THE NAME OF THE SHOP AND ADDRESS FROM WHERE YOU PURCHASED AND FITTED THIS BRAIN IN YOUR SKULL !!!!!
    ====================

    Look at what i had posted and look at what you have replied:
    ———-
    Paul,

    How do you expect people with no brain to understand anything at all….where is the question of misunderstanding something.

    There is no buddhism, nothing here.

    These guys are just selling storybooks to make a living. And begging for money in the so-called name of religion.
    ————

    Chumber,

    Did i mention your name anywhere above ?

    Similarly you responded to below even though your name was not mentioned anywhere:
    “Sadak pe baitha Pagal Aadmi. Rs.5″
    “Main Gadha Hoon. Rs.10″

    After pointing out that your brain recognizes only two things as an “abuse” (rape and being mad), and rejects others, now you have started responding to just one another thing – stuff that points out idiocy. You automatically assume it is you being spoken about.

    Chumber you know what ppl recognize as an abuse – it is what they usually go thru themselves.

    Call a friend ’silly’ or ’stupid’ casually, they will not register it negatively, but in the same way call someone who has been bullied or gone thru an abuse phase with the same words, they will register it negatively someway or the other or they will be uncomfortable about it.

    Its good that DN has started moderating comments – they shd hv done it a long time ago.

    Coming back to both your above responses, why do you feel it is you being spoken about? Obviously you know what it is about… I need not say anything more. You are actually coming around.

    Now Chumber,

    You got just 2 things to do:

    1) Reproduce the exact verses that endorse rape in hindu scriptures.

    2) Provide detials of the case you have filed.

  14. C.L.CHUMBER said

    YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
    I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ?

    IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .

    hh said,

    January 10, 2009 @ 2:03 am

    Chumber,

    Pointing out how your comments sound – so utterly stupid, mad-like, making no sense like the output of total idiocy, makes no difference to you. In your madness you will keep barking.

    Am only interested in this:: You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.

  15. happyhind said

    IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
    ——-

    Give details of the case you have filed.

    Give the verses that endorse rapism, racism ,fascism.

    Do not ever think that by telling lies, you can get away.

  16. kumarpush said

    Dear happyhindu,Hindus are born barbaric which can be seen in Manusmrit. Shankracharya and BJP and their umblical links are spreading the terror of hindu gods and godeses but Ambedkarite dalits are ready to piss on hindu gods and godeses.In Haryana ,people are started breaking the hind gods and godeses.In srilanka ,these hindu tamilians were keeping hindu gods and godeses with Buddha and telling the tourists that Buddha takes flowers but hindu gods and godeses take mony.Hindus are born corrupt and barbaric and 175 million dalits should give them back with intrest.

  17. hh said

    Kumarpaush,

    I can show you far more barbaric stuff from your Quran and equally indecent stuff from the Bible.

    Go and look up as many crime cases filed as you can — all dalit surnames. It is dalits involved in thefts, rapes, rioting, robbery, etc.

    And it is dalits who are most corrupt because of poverty. So stop barking.

  18. @kumarpush you are either retarded or you are just a islamic terrorist out here to kill hindu’s.every post of yours is about hindu’s being barbaric and dalits should give it back to them and i bet you imply violence like murder and looting when you say “give back”.

    for all reasons you are probably chumbers friend or chumber himself in a different name.

    i suggest you go try “giving back” hindus what they deserve in public so that the NSG commando’s can shoot your ass dead like they did with the 9 terrorists in mumbai. hatred mongers like you would be good riddance for this nation.

  19. kumarpushp said

    Dear Dilip,you are cow asshole,Iam talking about dalit holocaust in India,what will happened ,if 175 millions dalits will take the arm then you hindus will not get the land even in isreal.dalits have to give you hindu back with intrest what you hindus are doing to dalits in even in 21 st centuary.

  20. kumarpushp said

    Dear hh,you said ,dalits are corrupt means,175 millions dalits would have fucked you hindus and your hindu led government.dalits are hard working people who believe in their sweat labours.we have seen satyam and their linga (Rama ).25% of staff were fake.wipro was banned from world bank in 1997.Laxmi mittal was finned 330 millions dollar by european court on charge of prize fixing.dalits are keeping ready to themself to have final war with barbaric hindus.

  21. C.L.CHUMBER said

    FEDERATION OF AMBEDKARITE AND BUDDHIST ORGANISATIONS – UK
    12, Featherstone Road , Southall, Middlesex , UB2 5AA ,
    Tel: 01234312976 Mobile : 07714324223 Email: fabo@ambedkar.orf.uk

    Press Release

    Response to the report ‘Caste System’ by the HCUK

    Single Equality Bill soon to be presented in the Parliament for discussion, is designed to outlaw discriminations based on colour, race, religion, gender and age. Various organisations in the UK are campaigning to include Caste based discrimination into the Single Equality Bill. But the Hindu Council UK produced a report to oppose its inclusion in the bill. The contents of the Hindu Council UK (HCUK) report are nothing but a travesty of facts, misleading and full of inaccuracies. Whenever somebody starts talking about discrimination based on caste, Indians particularly Hindus become defensive and tend to sweep this problem under the carpet and accuse others for giving bad name to India as a whole and to the Hindus particularly. That is exactly what happened with the Hindu Council UK report. Rather than condemning this evil and work to eradicate it, Hindus are cleverly defending it and accusing some of the organisations and individuals for either getting financial aid on the name of caste or converting Dalits to other religions. The report has been produced to exploit and take advantage of British ignorance about Caste origins and its evil practices to divert their attention from including the caste based discrimination in the Single Equality Bill.

    India is perhaps the only country where a section of society is considered inherently so low and inferior that their mere touch pollutes others. Consequently they are forced to live outside the villages. Caste has become like a water-tight compartment from which neither anybody is able to escape nor enters into it. One is born into a particular caste; he/she will die in it. There is no way the castes could be exchanged. One born as an Untouchable will die as an Untouchable. It doesn’t matter how much wealth or status one has acquired in life, he/she will be looked down upon with contempt. Because of the religious sanction behind it, Hindus are following the tenets of caste, a graded inequality as a matter of their religious duty. For thousand of years, the notion of high and low, inferior and superior has been ingrained into their psyche. But Dr. Sharma has ascribed the ill-effects of caste discrimination to the British Raj and the various invasions and foreign rules in India , forgetting that the origin of Caste lies in the Hindu scriptures like Rig Veda, Gita, Ramayana & Manu Simiriti, which pre-date all foreign rules.

    Caste is an institutionalised social discrimination. It doesn’t exist only in Indian subcontinent but has become a global problem. Unfortunately this evil system has also crept into the British society and is being spread rapidly. People from the Indian sub continent, who live in large numbers in the UK , practice the caste system. Caste is often advertised in the Asian periodicals for matrimonial purposes. Marriages are arranged in their own caste and sometimes they lead to forced marriages. The stigma and pressures attached to inter-caste marriages has given rise to suicidal tendency and other psychological illnesses. Either one or both involved in inter-Caste relationship are often subjected to verbal abuse and violence from other family members. Most of the religious places are cropping up on the caste basis. Caste is glorified in the popular music. CBD takes place by calling names such as ‘Choora’ and ‘Chamar’. These words are as derogatory as somebody calling ‘Neggar’. These names are traditionally associated with scavenging and leather which are considered low and dirty in the Hindu society. Though caste discrimination is wide spread amongst the Asian community, people are not coming forward to tell their stories in case they are looked down upon by others and lose respect. There are many caste Indians who firmly believe that their intelligence is inherited genetically via caste superiority. Caste is very much ‘alive and kicking’ within the Asian Diaspora. But the Hindu Council UK refuses to accept the reality and claim there is no such thing in the UK .
    In the Hindu Council UK (HCUK) report, Dr. Sharma has carefully selected a few isolated verses from the Hindu scriptures to justify his argument regarding the division of society. He implies that ‘chaturvarna’, (other name of caste) was not a bad thing at all . Doing this he justifies the division of society based on caste. The author mischieviously overlooked hunderds of verses which condemn Dalits to their lowely status and directs the followers to keep them in that order. The report totally refuses to accept the ground reality and ignores their sufferings being inflicted from

    centuries and contradicts respected works done by various human rights organisations such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Anti Slavery Movement, Minority Rights Groups etc.

    Because of globalisation and advancement in media, no body is able to hide suppression for a long time. The Hindus, who have been successful in hiding this problem from the outside World for such a long time, today stand naked and exposed. In desperation they have produced an inaccurate and false report to oppose the inclusion of caste based discrimination in the forthcoming Single Equality Bill. If they are sincere in their efforts to oppose caste prejudice, they should be in the forefront for its inclusion in the bill so that this evil doesn’t spread and is nipped in the bud. Instead they have chosen to attack those organisations and individuals who are raising their voice against this menace. Clearly it reflects that they want to keep status quo and are not very keen to eradicate inequality based on caste.

    To counter the misinformation and fallacy of their argument Mr. Chanan Chahal’s response ‘Evil of Caste’ is a detailed examination of Hindu Scriptures and every point raised is rebutted and discussed.

    The doctrine of Hindu Karma maintains that whatever deeds are done in this life will be rewarded in the next life. Therefore to be saved from inferior rebirth, one has to follow one’s caste dharma (duties). The sacred literature provides ample evidence that respect for caste duty is one’s primary obligation. For instance, a Dalit’s hope of rebirth into higher caste lays in his perfect obedience of his caste duties and accept life time servitude of higher Castes.

    The Hindu Council has chosen the path of being economical with truth. If they are a little sympathetic to Dalits and oppose caste discrimination, they should have made a public apology for the historical injustices done to the Dalits. The former British Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair has apologised for the British role in Slavery. Sadly, Hindu Council lacks intellectual honesty. Hiding behind a religious sentences or pointing fingers at others does not change the ground reality. Every Hindu has to be open about caste and understand what this has done to Indian culture, history and image and reputation and moreover to 150 million Dalits. Blaming foreigners for caste is nothing new. It is a discredited claim straight from the fundamentalist Hindutva school of thought.

    Hindu Council’s deceptive attention is further exposed when they published a fabricated Statement from the Shri Valmik Sabha Southall. It is an unrepresentative view of the community and therefore they are guilty of manipulation. The actual statement from the said organisation has been reproduced in Mr. Chahal’s response for reader’s examination. The desperate attempt exposes HCUK and clearly shows the level they are prepared to go to stop the issue of caste being raised

    Asians are making their mark in education, health, social services and industry where they have risen to a place of authority. In their managerial roles, they will be in a position to hire and fire and will be able to exert a lot of influence in matter of recruitment and promotions. That is the area where the Caste prejudice becomes so destructive and Dalits need protection from legal system. That is why there is a need to include caste in the Single Equality Bill.

    Arun Kumar
    On behalf of Federation of Ambedkarites & Buddhist Organisations, UK
    http://www.ambedkartimes.com/arun_kumar.htm

  22. happyhind said

    Kumarpaush,

    Give your contact details. Real name and full address.

    You are a Pakistani posting from M*********d areas. Try denying this.

    Take a look at why you are a failed state first.

    Our problem is with Poverty — our biggest curse. Not religion or caste.

    Successful people, wealthy people never seem to bother about religion and caste. Those that crib are the opposite kind.

    Instead of uplifting people with opportunites, you Pakis are stuck with religion. You have failed and you are trying your best to fail India. It will never happen dude…Keep trying all the way to jahannum.

  23. C.L.CHUMBER said

    BRAVO ! YOUR GOOD SELF DID A BEFITTING REPLY ! WE ARE PROUD OF YOUR
    DARING SPIRIT ! PLEASE CONTINUE FOR EVER !

    kumarpushp said
    January 25, 2009 @ 10:16 am

    Dear hh,you said ,dalits are corrupt means,175 millions dalits would have fucked you hindus and your hindu led government.dalits are hard working people who believe in their sweat labours.we have seen satyam and their linga (Rama ).25% of staff were fake.wipro was banned from world bank in 1997.Laxmi mittal was finned 330 millions dollar by european court on charge of prize fixing.dalits are keeping ready to themself to have final war with barbaric hindus.

  24. kumarpushp said

    Dear HH,My country is dalitstan and my religion is buddhism and my god is Dr Ambedkar and my pagamber is Buddha.We want to awake dalits about their muscle power.dr ambedkar had told their people thar Elephant does not know about mahawat who is so weak to handle elephant ,same dalits donot know how weak hindus are who are controlling the lives of dalits.

  25. happyhind said

    There is no country such as dalitstan….you are another coward that does not want to confirm your pakistani nationality…no one cares how much rabid dogs howl on the road…so kumarpush, you can go on howling about aurangzeb and jinnah forever..allah hafiz..

  26. C.L.CHUMBER said

    THE DALITSTAN IS THERE , WHERE IS THE HINDUSTAN !!!!!
    YOUR PRINT / ELECTRONIC MEDIA SAY/WRITE INDIA AS HINDUSTAN .
    WHERE IS THIS HINDUSTAN ? ? ? ? ?
    THERE IS DALITSTAN SEPARATE LOCALITIES IN EVERY VILLAGE OF INDIA WHERE DALITS LIVE IN NEGLECTED AND REJECTED CONDITIONS AND SLUMS OF URBAN INDIA !!!!!
    GO AND SEE !!!!!

    happyhind said
    January 29, 2009 @ 9:43 am

    There is no country such as dalitstan….

  27. kumarpushp said

    175 million dalits donot have a country ,they are waiting to get country.we have decided the name .Pakistanis are our blood brother.thanks HH ,at least ,your knowledge is little bit better then your hindu politician who donot know about Pakistan.

  28. happyhind said

    Kumarpaush,

    You Pakis do nothing but love all forms of hate and divide.

    Take a good look at how Pakis are treated by the rest of the world.

    Go to any US airport and let me know if you do not feel humiliated because of your Paki nationality.

    Give your country another maximum 100 years. There won’t be anything called Pakistan on the world-map…so you can bark and howl for just that much time if a quake is not wiping you out in the meantime. Allah Hafiz.

  29. hh said

    Kumarpaush,

    Your friend Chumber is going to be booked under TADA again. This time he will not only be arrested, he will also be sent to a mental asylum on court’s order. Want to join him?

  30. happyhind said

    Hmm…so people with TADA background are involved in Dalit Voice, Dalit Nation….As Paki lover, Birtish Bootlickers, Missionary fund managers…Whatelse?

  31. happyhind said

    I wrote in detail in my monthly magazine in July , 1986 , the government banned that issue and even imposed TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A but did not dare to arrest me . Mr. V.T. Rajshekar and myself were the two on whom TADA was imposed .
    ————-

    Chumber,

    Give your TADA file number.

  32. kumarpushp said

    Dear hindu,you hindu are so coward and weak ,you cant fight the proper war and always attack your enemy from behind like women ,go and wear the peticoat ,dear happy hindu.

  33. kumarpushp said

    Dear happy hindu,your Lal krishna adwani was not allowed in white house ,your hindu samrat modi was not given Visa to enter the USA,look at your hindu leaderships how,they are treated in USA,

  34. hh said

    Only 2 indians (and that right wing ones) were not allowed visa. I am not a supporter of BJP. So I do not care if they got visa or not.

    But just look at how the general public of Pakistan is treated by US airport guys. And yep, I am a female so I already wear the clothes of a female 🙂 It is you guys that PRESUME that women are weak bcoz your religion taught you to do so.

  35. C . L . CHUMBER said

    WELL DONE MR. KUMARPUSHP !
    DYNAMITE THESE MANUWADIS WITH REASONING , PROOFS AND REFERENCES HAVING A DARING SPIRIT !!!!!
    MR. LAL KRISHAN ADVANI `S TEAM DEMOLISHED THE BABRI MOSQUE ILLEGALLY .MR. DAWOOD REACTED TO MANUWADIS .
    * The Gujrat `s Minister of state for Women and Child Welfare and Minister of state for Higher Education Mrs. Maya Kodnani and former Vishav Hindu Parishad general secretary for Gujrat Mr. Jaydeep Patel have been declared ” untraceable ” by the special investigation team . They are wanted for their involvement in the Gujrat riots 2002 in which 800 Indian citizens were killed.
    http://www.ambedkartimes.com/index.htm

  36. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THIS CONSTITUTION WAS PASSED BY THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY ELECTED BY THE THEN INDIAN VOTERS AS WELL AS INDIAN INDIAN GOVERNMENT !!!!!

    Recently, the Indian government recognized the Namdhari Movement and the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs as the parts of the National freedom movement on 27th January, 2009 . The both movements will be entitled for the Grants and freedom fighters honour scheme-1980 AD. Professor Malvinder Singh a prominent historian filed a public interest litigation petition in the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Chandigarh to declare these movements as part of the National freedom movement. Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia was awarded by Mrs. Indira Gandhi then Prime Minister of India as freedom fighter of the Gadhar Party, USA but he was never honoured as the founder of the social resurgent movement the Adi-Dharam Mandal Punjab. Why not the Indian government and state governments declare these social resurgent movements AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS i.e. Adi-Dharam Mandal of North India , Adi-Dravida of Tamilnadu , Namo-Shudra of Bengal , Adi-Andhra of Andhra Pardesh , Adi-Karnatka of Karnatka , Mahar Movement of Maharashtra , Satya Shodak Samaj of Pune , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha of U.P , Scheduled Castes Federation , Baba Ayyan Kali and Narayana Guru of Kerala`s movements , revered Periyar’s self respect and many more which fought against the Aryan imperialism’s Varna / caste system slavery . Our Indian constitution accepted these movements ` aims and objects but did not recognized as freedom movements! Why? What is the definition of the freedom adopted by the present “sawdesi rulers “????? The Indian citizens must dare to assert to theirs legitimate as well human rights to dynamite the manuwadi spirit forever to establish the Indian constitution drafted by under the chairmanship of revered Baba Sahib Dr. Ambedkar. This constitution was passed by the constituent assembly elected by the then India voters as well as Indian government! LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY, EQUITY, QUALITY, LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL!!!!!

  37. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU !
    MR. ADVANI AND HIS PARTY BELONGS TO THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL ” WRONG WING “. YOU AND BJP PERSONS WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE same RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS .SO YOU ARE A BJP CHAP !
    YOU CLAIM , ” And yep, I am a female so I already wear the clothes of a female 🙂 ” BUT YOU WORSHIP THE RAPISTS GODS ! your religion taught you to do so.

    hh said
    February 4, 2009 @ 8:44 am

    Only 2 indians (and that right wing ones) were not allowed visa. I am not a supporter of BJP. So I do not care if they got visa or not.

    But just look at how the general public of Pakistan is treated by US airport guys. And yep, I am a female so I already wear the clothes of a female 🙂 It is you guys that PRESUME that women are weak bcoz your religion taught you to do so.

  38. kumarpushp said

    Dear HH,you might have not seen the USA but I always go to USA on holidays.you hindus have to give your finger prints .go any see the datas about how many hindus are applying for Visa and how many are getting .stop spreading the cowshits in India.175 million dalits are trying to understand the grimmic palyed by hindus and their national medias and hindu led government.

  39. hh said

    Kumarpushp,

    For someone who “always go to USA on holidays”, your language is far too miserable. Its obvious you too do not know to lie properly like your lunatic pal Chumber. Your nationality is circumspect. Therefore I am giving you a golden opportunity to meet Chumber personally. Give your name and address. We shall arrange for a long-term meeting b/w you and Chumber.

  40. kumarpushp,

    are you stupid or is that you are always like this? anyone going to the USA and applying for a VISA needs to provide finger prints. US Federal govt dont give a rats ass about you being a hindu/muslim/christian/dalit or whatever the heck you are.

  41. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU !
    YOU PEOPLE AS COMMUNITY COOKED STORIES TO EARN LIVELIHOOD !
    YOUR COMMUNITY EAT EVEN THE DEAD BODIES BURNED REMAINS AT HARIDWAR , KASHI , MATHURA , PEHOWA ,GAYA , ALLAHABAD !
    YOUR PANDAS THREAT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU COMMUNITY HAVE THE ONLY PASSPORT ISSUING AUTHORITY TO THE HEAVEN AFTER DEATH !!!!!
    YOU PEOPLE SUCK THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE FROM THOUSANDS YEARS THROUGH CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM , KARMA , HEAVEN , HELL , REBIRTH ETC. FILTHY THEORIES !
    WHAT IS THE RELEVANCY OF THESE THEORIES ? ? ? ? ?
    I AM NEITHER LIAR NOR MAKE LIVING FROM MY ACTIVITIES , THIS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES !!!!!
    I WILL NOT STOP MY WAR AGAINST EVIL GODS WHATEVER MAY COME IN MY WAY BECAUSE I AM ON RIGHT PATH . I HAVE THE BLESSINGS OF PIOUS AND INNOCENT LADIES WITH WHOM YOUR EVIL GODS RAPED .THEY INSPIRE AND URGE ME TO GET JUSTICE TO THEMSELVES AND EXPOSE THE RAPISTS ! EVEN IN MID NIGHTS I WEEP TO READ YOUR ABUSES , BLAMES ON ME BUT THESE PIOUS LADIES CONSOLE ME AND GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL WIN ULTIMATELY AND THE ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE WILL SOON BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THESE EVIL GODS !
    hh said
    February 9, 2009 @ 9:01 am

    Chumber,

    You are a cheapskate liar and a lunatic who cooks up all sorts of stories to make a living .

  42. hh said

    Chumber,

    If your problem is brahmins, then why are you targetting hindu religion? There are hindu traditions where a brahmin as a priest is not required.

    If these theories and stories have no relavance, then why are you making a living out of it? Why are you cooking up lies?

    You are just a cheapskate liar and a lunatic. If you are not a coward, then give your personal proof of identity.

  43. kumarpushp said

    Dear Muralidharan ,you and your clan are moran who are dreaming to go America,you go and learn how to apply for Visa.you are asshole,finger prints are taken when person coming back to India from America.go and eat cow shits and drink cow urine dear muralidharan.

  44. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I NEVER TARGETED ANY RELIGION EVER !
    I TARGETED ALWAYS EVILS AND EVIL PERSONS WHETHER IN PAST OR AT PRESENT !!
    THE BRAHMINS CREATED CASTE / VARNA LIKE DRASTIC SYSTEM DUE TO WHICH THEY ARE NOT EXPLOITED THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS IN PAST BUT STILL THEY ARE STRUGGLING HARD TO MAINTAIN THE MANUWADI SYSTEM TO COUNTER THE CONSTITUTIONAL EQUALITY , EQUITY , QUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE !!!
    I HAVE MANY BRAHMIN FRIENDS WHO ALSO HATE THEIR EVIL GODS BUT THEY CAN NOT DARE TO OBJECT IN PUBLIC AND PRESENT A SUBSTITUTE !!!!
    WHICH TRADITIONS WHERE BRAHMIN PRIEST IS NOT NEEDED ? ? ? ? ?

    hh said
    February 10, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

    Chumber,

    If your problem is brahmins, then why are you targetting hindu religion? There are hindu traditions where a brahmin as a priest is not required.

  45. C.L.CHUMBER said

    “ SOHANG SAGAR “ VCD ON ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS RELEASED BY MR.C.L.CHUMBER ON 4TH FEB.,2009 IN THE PRESS CLUB , JALANDHAR !

    Italy ( Madho Balvira ):- Mr. C. L. Chumber said at this occasion that Adi Mahaguru Ravidass was not a casteist as he proclaimed ” Namdev , Kabir , Tarlochan , Sadhna , Sain tarey ” and ” kahe re man Valmikeh dekh , kis jat te kis uttam pad paaeyo ” . These socio-religious Adi Mahagurus were not Adi Mahaguru Ravidass` co-caste fellows! He projected them as they all were among the Indian aboriginals and theirs teachings were based on equality, quality, equity, liberty, fraternity and justice for all! Adi Mahaguru Ravidass proclaimed “Begampura Shahar Ka Nao ” an ideal state and the issues in this Shabad are fully adopted by the present constitution drafted by the constituent assembly under the chairmanship of Baba Saheb Ambedkar who also dedicated one book to Guru Ji including Adi Mahagurus Chokha Mela and Nand Nar ! Guru Ji proclaimed that untouchables’s sufferings are due to the lost of their political power,” Achhut Raj Bicharat Dukh Paayeo.”

    Mr. Chumber continued that Adi-Dharam’s founder Adi Mahababa Mangu Ram Muggowalia ( 1886-1980 ad ) wrote ” Adi Dharam Mandal report 1931 ” in which he wrote that Maharishi Valmiki , Guru Namdev , guru Ravidass and Guru Kabir are our Adi-Dharam’s Gurus. He wrote “Adi-Parkash Asankhdeep Granth ” is our religious scripture. Third, “Soham ” is our religious word to recite. Fourth, every Adi Dharami must wish “Jai Gurdev “and next will wish with “Dhan Gurdev.” (For more detail read http: //www. ambedkartimes.com & http://ambedkartimes.org (for Punjabi)).

    Mata Dalvir Kaur Ji , Gaddi-Nashin ( head ) , Dera Satguru Swami Ishwar Dass Ji Maharaj , Anand Garh , said ,” the ” Sohang ” is our real and original legitimate religious ” word ” as Mr. Chumber elaborated it. We must stand on it firmly and our Dera published “the Adi Parkash Granth for Adi-Dharmi.!” Mr. Chanan Ram Dhanda said, ” we are proud of Baba Muggowalia who was born just 5 kilometers away from us and started Guru Ji`s religious procession first ever in the universe in 1928 ad at Jalandhar city when Guru Ji `s Kashi forget him . The manuwadis attacked on procession at jaggu chowk. Second day, the Adi Dharamis and Muslims procession and beaten the manuwadis. They fled away with open shops!

    This cassette is mainly on “Sohang “as is known from its name .Mr. Buta Shonki is singer, Mr. Madho Balvira wrote lyrics (both of Vill. Maheru Tehsil Phagwara, Distt. Kapurthala ) , music by Mr. Harvinder Singh Bittu , produced by worthy Mr. Hans Raj Dhanda ( son of Mr. Chanan Ram Dhanda ” saila kalan ” ) and the ” Love star VCD company ” , Ferozepur ( 9815519782 , 9855636843) presented this missionary & visionary cassette vol. First. Europe contact for cassette at: 0039-3299569005, Email address everest_3@libero.it
    http://www.ambedkartimes.com/World%20Media%20News.htm#so

  46. Paul said

    Dear All,

    Sorry if I have been misunderstood. I did not say that Ambedkar did not understand Buddhism, I said that the author of this blog did not understand Ambedkar. That was the point of the quotes from Ambedkar and his Dhamma.

    As for the place of meditation, and Buddhism being a scientific religion – I suggest extensive reading of the Pali Canon – you can get it online at http://www.accesstoinsight.org

    Meditation is central to Buddhism, and not just for the Bikkhus. The Pali cannon contains several references to lay practitioners, some who were close to enlightenment.

    Those who say Buddhism is Scientific misunderstand what Science is, what Buddhism is, or both. Buddhism and science are however complementary. Science is concerned with the objective measurement and understanding of the world. Buddhism is concerned with the unravelling of the mysteries of the subjective pole and our perceptions of the objective.

    I don’t say this to provoke, rather to encourage understanding.

    When quoting what the Buddha said, try finding the original text where he said it – this will help ease a lot of confusion.

  47. C . L . CHUMBER said

    DR. AMBEDKAR DID NOT EMBRACED THE BUDDHISM FOR MEDITATION !!!!!
    Paul said
    April 8, 2009 @ 8:40 am

    Dear All,

    • hh said

      yep, he embraced it for political purposes.

  48. assaji said

    Goodness, This site seems to be run by agent provocateurs who see enemies everywhere. Pls just stay away and practise the Dhamma. You won’t do yourself any good by reading this nonsense.

  49. C . L . CHUMBER said

    ALL THE SO CALLED GODS OF INDO-ARYAN HINDUS WERE KINGS AND HENCE POLITICIANS !!!!!

    MR. GANDHI AND MR. TILAK USED THE HINDU RELIGION FOR POLITICAL GAINS !!!!

    DR. AMBEDKAR EMBRACED BUDDHISM TO GAVE ALTERNATIVE TO BRAHMANISM !!!!

    hh said
    May 17, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

    yep, he embraced it for political purposes.

    • hh said

      ALL THE SO CALLED GODS OF INDO-ARYAN HINDUS WERE KINGS AND HENCE POLITICIANS !!!!!
      ———-

      Don’t give me your crackpot concoction of hindu history.

  50. C . L . CHUMBER said

    YES , THE DALITS SEEM ENEMIES EVERY WHERE !!!!!
    ALL THE VARNAS – BRAHMINS , KASHATTRIYAS AND VAISH ARE FOREIGNERS AND HENCE THEY ARE AGAINST THE DALITS WHO ARE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !
    NO DHAMMA / RELIGION COULD SAVE THEM ( DALITS ) EXCEPT THE DEMOCRACY AND INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!!
    A MAN / WOMAN CAN DO EVERY GOOD THING BY READING GOOD THINGS TO WHICH THE OPPONENTS DECLARE NONSENSE !!!!!

    assaji said
    May 15, 2009 @ 10:13 am

    Goodness, This site seems to be run by agent provocateurs who see enemies everywhere. Pls just stay away and practise the Dhamma. You won’t do yourself any good by reading this nonsense.

    • hh said

      YES , THE DALITS SEEM ENEMIES EVERY WHERE !!!!!
      ——————

      Assaji,

      This is a group of political-buddhists. They hallucinate and see enemies everywhere. Because they want votes. They cannot follow dhamma.

  51. C . L . CHUMBER said

    BRAHMA , VISHANU , RAMA , KRISHANA ETC. WERE KINGS , VIOLENTS AND CRIMINALS !!!!!
    IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
    THE HINDU HISTORY AND MYTHOLOGY IS THE STORY OF DEGRADED AND GRADED SOCIETY !!!!!
    IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?

    hh said
    May 20, 2009 @ 11:57 am

    ALL THE SO CALLED GODS OF INDO-ARYAN HINDUS WERE KINGS AND HENCE POLITICIANS !!!!!- CHUMBER
    ———-

    Don’t give me your crackpot concoction of hindu history.

  52. kumarpushp said

    Assa ji,Hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatments,every six hour ,one dalit woman is being raped by barbaric hindus and every 12 hour ,one dalit man is being killed by hindus.India is being ruled by hindus who are dominated in every where and dalits,muslims,christians are not getting any justice in hindu India.dalits reqire seprate county where they can live peacefully away from barbaric hindus.Meditation would not give them justice dear Assaji.even same barbaric hindus are occupying the Buddhist temple in Bodh gaya.shame on hindus and their hindu led government.

  53. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THERE IS NO GROUP OF POLITICIANS AND RELIGIOUS PERSONS .IN OCTOBER , 1928 , LORD LOTHIAN COMMITTEE ( FRANCHISE COMMITTEE ) VISITE CAPITALS OF THE INDIAN STATES TO ASCERTAIN THE CRITERIA FOR THE ELIGIBILITY TO BE A VOTER . THE HINDUS , SIKHS AND MUSLIMS CLAIMED THAT THE DALITS ARE HINDUS , SIKHS AND MUSLIMS RESPECTIVELY .BUT THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL UNDER ITS PRESIDENT BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA MET THE DEPUTATION WITH TEN THOUSANDS DALITS AND ASSERTED THAT THEY WERE NEITHER HINDU , OR MUSLIM OR SIKH ! THEY CLAIMED THAT WE SHUDRAS ARE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND BELONG THE ADI-DHARAM .DR. BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE ENDORSED THEIR VIEWS WHICH ARE PUBLISHED IN THE FRANCHISE ( LOTHIAN ) COMMITTEE , 1928 AD .
    BABA MUGGOWALIA AGAIN SUBMITTED CLAIM TO THE SIMON COMMISSION THAT THEY ARE A DISTINCT NATION .DR. BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR AND RAO BAHADUR SRINIVASIN TWO UNTOUCHABLE REPRESENTATIVES AT THREE THE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES , LONDON ( 1930-1932 AD ) REFUTED M/S GANDHI , MALVIYA THAT THE UNTOUCHABLES WERE THE HINDUS .ULTIMATELY , THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED THE COMMUNAL AWARD ON 18TH AUGUST , 1932 IN WHICH M/S HAPPY HINDUS`FOREFATHER MR. M.K. GANDHI TOOK FAST UP- TO -DEATH WHICH LASTED AN AGREEMENT AMONG GANDHI-AMBEDKAR AND LEADERS OF BOTH SIDES WHICH IS KNOWN AS POONA PACT . IN THIS PACT UNTOUCHABLES WERE ACCEPTED AS HINDUS AND ALLOTTED MORE ASSEMBLY SEATS THAN THE COMMUNAL AWARDS WHICH PRODUCED MORE UNTOCHABLE STOOGES OF THE VAIDIK HINDUS .
    BUT DR. AMBEDKAR IN HIS BOOK ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ‘ AND WROTE A CHAPTER ‘ ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLES A SEPARATE ELEMENT ? ‘ IN THIS BOOK IN 1945 AD .HE ALSO SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY THAT THEY WERE NOT HINDUS . HE URGED TO BE ALLOTTED SEPARATE ELECTORATE AND SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS FOR THE DALITS .
    SAHIB KANSHI RAM `S MOVEMENT WAS AGAINST THE POLITICAL DALIT STOOGES OF THE VAIDIK HINDUS CREATED BY THE POONA PACT SYSTEM .HE ADVISED IN HIS BOOK NOT TO INDULGE WITH THESE STOOGES AND STRIKE AT THE HAND IN WHICH THESE STOOGE SPOONS ARE KEPT , THE STOOGE SPOON WILL FELL DOWN TO BE PASSIVE .
    BUT HIS SPONSORED MAYAWATI TURNED THE NEW DALIT STOOGE BUT THE BAHUJAN SAMAJ REJECTED HER IN THE LOK SABHA 2009 ELECTION .HER 382 OUT OF 513 CANDIDATES FORFEITED THE SECURITY DEPOSITS .HER SALOGAN ‘ HAATHI NAHIN GANESH HAI , BRAHMA , VISHANU , MAHESH HAI ‘ .REJECTED THE VOTERS . THE VOTERS ALSO REJECTED BJP`S RAM WHO KILLED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK AND BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA TO COMMIT SUICIDE .WHEN BABA SAHEB
    AMBEDKAR ALREADY REJECTED THESE FOUE GODS OF VAIDIK HINDU ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956 .
    THE M/S HAPPY HINDUS HALLUCINATE AND SEE DALITS AS ENEMIES BECAUSE THEY ARE FOREIGNER ARYANS . BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DALITS`LIVES HELL WORST THAN THE ANIMALS .THEY CAN NOT FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTIONAL NORMS BEING MANNUWADIS ! WE HATE THEM !!!!!
    hh said
    May 20, 2009 @ 11:59 am

    YES , THE DALITS SEEM ENEMIES EVERY WHERE !!!!! – CHUMBER .
    ——————

    Assaji,

    This is a group of political-buddhists. They hallucinate and see enemies everywhere. Because they want votes. They cannot follow dhamma.

  54. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Kumarpushap ji ,
    After returning from my 10 days tour of the Gujarat state , I was severly ill and even got typhoid fever .I have to suffer atlast 50 days but I even during bad health continued to counter the M/S Happy Hindu Abusive Club !!!!! You can watch how I fought . These evil followers of the evil Gods have nothing to abuse .
    I am proud that with the grace of our revered Adi-Gurus ,Adi-Bhagwans , Adi-Babas and forefathers won this war with grace .
    Let us fight this war to its logical end !!!!!
    kumarpushp said
    May 23, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

    • hh said

      I have to suffer atlast 50 days but I even during bad health continued to counter the M/S Happy Hindu Abusive Club !!!!! You can watch how I fought . These evil followers of the evil Gods have nothing to abuse .
      ——————-

      Chumber,

      I do not know every tom, dick and harry posting here. It is your madness that is making people laugh at you here. There is no abusive club and this is not some war to show off “how you are fighting”. This is sheer stupidity of a system called corruption and poverty. Don’t blame god for it.

  55. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    The Dalits should not be frustrated .They must fight like Mr. Chumber to get justice for ever .They must put their claims with reasoning and thrust .India is their own country .

    kumarpushp said
    May 23, 2009 @ 9:21 pm
    dalits reqire seprate county where they can live peacefully away from barbaric hindus.

  56. kumarpushp said

    Dear Chumberji, May god give you long life to fight these barbaric hindus in India.I was in delhi but could not get time to meet you.any how have faith in Dr Ambedkar who had given us courrage and knowledge to see though their evil design and warn our brothers and sisters for barbarian hindu gods and godeses.Is any book on Ravi dass and their followers .I am intrested to know more about Ravi Dass and how he was killed and why these hindus had raped and killed Meera Bai.We should not forget our Gurus.We should have out news papers why we should not make Dalit Voice as weekly news papers .You are a great intellectuals who is fighting this war alone in India,time has come we should fight these war together to annhilate the hindus and their Dharma and established the Dhamma which is good for humen kind.

    • hh said

      Kumarpushp,

      A muslim like you who loves violence, the nephew of a murderer like you, who kills for caste, should not be talking about dhamma.

      Leave dhamma alone. It will not accept a sociopath violent criminal like you.

      Meera bai was not raped and killed. It is you and Chumber that are obsessed with rape and shooting. You both are born criminals.

      • kumarpushp said

        Dear Hay hindu,you should pray for congenital abnormal gods and godeses that Dr Ambedkar did not embrace Islam otherwise hindu name would have been disappeared from the earth dear HH.you hindus are born barbaric and rapist like your gods and godeses.

  57. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THEN I POST THESE ABUSES TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS , FRIENDS AND GODS !!!!!
    hh said
    June 5, 2009 @ 2:33 am
    Chumber,
    – -There is no abusive club and this is not some war to show off “how you are fighting”.

    • hh said

      So now you are abusing my family, friends and gods?

      Who is the abuser Chumber? It is you and only you ofcourse.

  58. C . L . CHUMBER said

    WE ARE PROUD OF THEM WHO SACRIFICED EVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US !!!!!

    Dear Kumarpushap ji ,
    There are numerious books on Guru Ravidas and His followers in English , Hindi , Punjabi , Marathi and Gujarati languages .Not only Guru Ravidas was murdered , every socio-economic and religious revolutionary killed .The Brahmin community priest class even killed a Brahmin Swami Daya Nand, founder of the Arya Samaj by poisoning and Mr. M.K.Gandhi by bullets .

    Yesterday ( 7TH JUNE , 2009 ) , I visited the Sant Janeshwar who is also known as Sant Gayaneshwar and Gayandev `s Smadhi Sthal , Alandi situated on Inderyani river in district Pune ( Maharashtra ) .He belonged to the Brahmin community .His father Vithal and mother were well learned of Vedas and theyeducated well their three sons and daughter Mukta Bai .He was a disciple of the Nath Panth of Sant Gorakh Nath .The Brahmin community bycotted them so severly and humiliated that they had to commit suicide at the Ganga-Yamuna joining ad Allahabad ( U.P.) .I think that they were murdered for their revolutionary views and actions .
    Sant Janeshwar at the age of 8 joined to be disciple of a Nath Panthi saint at Nasik ( Maharashtra ) .There are evidences in written literature and in oral history that Sant Janeshwar like his parents had serious philosophical differences with the Brahmin priest class .He translated the GITA in Marathi from the Sanskrit language to break the monoply of the Brahmins on the Hindu scripture being in Sanskrit ! This is the main contribution of the Bhakati / Sant movement that it discarded the Brahmin priest class as well as their scriptures in Sanskrit .This Indian Renasance Movement gave us Gurus from the artisan class and their teachings in the new regional languages .The primitive literature of these regional languages is the literature of the Sants / Warkaris / Nath Panth .The Brahmin priest class now chosen English to kill these languages , its literaure , Gurus and their disadvantaged ( in the words of our P.M. Dr. Manmohan Singh ji ) followers !
    Now I come to the main point . I was told that Sant Janeshwar commit suicide but I did not agree with this theory .Sant Janeshwar was killed as he was a companion of a contemporary revolutionary Adi-Guru Namdev who belong to Chhimpi / Chhimba OBC . Guru Namdev wrote the Gurvani in memory of his young friend Sant Janeshwar who was killed at 25 .This Gurvani on the death of Sant Janeshwar is published by the Shri Gayaneshwar Maharaj Sansthan , Alandi ( Pune ) , 1995 AD , price Rs.15/- .
    The Brahmins also tried their best to kill Guru Nanak during his marriage at Batala ( district Gurdas Pur , Punjab ) as per the directions of the Chankya`s Arathshastra to kill the enemy by throwing wall on enemy .Guru nanak was luckily saved and the wall is still saved .There is Gurudwara ‘ Kandh Saheb ‘ means Gurdwara Wall Saheb !!!!! THERE IS SAMADHI STHAL OF ADI-GURU NAMDEV AT GHUMMAN IN TEHSIL BATALA DISTT. GURDASPUR , PUNJAB .Guru Nanak was saved but Sant Tuka Ram was killed by throwing wall on him in Maharashtra !!!!!
    Guru Ravidas was also killed at Chittorgarh( Rajasthan ) and even his dead body was not recovered .There is His Smadhi Sthal at the banks of a river in Chittorgarh !Guru Miran Bai was killed at the Karishan Mandir , Dwarka ( Gujarat and her dead body was also not recovered !!!!!
    Shahid-e-azam Saheb Kanshi Ram`s dead body was also not handed over to his family even the Delhi High Court refused to help his family .These are the certificates given by the Brahmin priest class that they were deadly anti manuwad and strugled hard for equality ,liberity , fraternity and justice to all at the cost of their lives
    .
    WE ARE PROUD OF THEM WHO SACRIFICED EVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US !!!!!

    kumarpushp said
    June 6, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
    Dear Chumberji ,
    Is any book on Ravi dass and their followers .I am intrested to know more about Ravi Dass and how he was killed and why these hindus had raped and killed Meera Bai.We should not forget our Gurus

  59. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Kumarpushap ji ,
    I am ready to co-operate with Mr. V.T. Rajshekar for the Dalit Voice .But I have bitter experiance that the down trodden people do not have zeal to own their daily press .They have money but they have not determination .This is true that I am doing my best . I started writing in the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/ since the midnight of 14th April , 2008 .My fight is ” Mr. Arun Shourie says ‘ Ambedkar was a false God ‘ but ‘ I say your Gods are the rapists , raceists and fascists ‘ “. They killed our forefathers , we would kill their Gods and their filthy manuwadi Hindu religion with the kind co-peration and co-ordination of like minded people !!!!!

    kumarpushp said
    June 6, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
    Dear Chumberji
    _ _ _
    We should have out news papers why we should not make Dalit Voice as weekly news papers .You are a great intellectuals who is fighting this war alone in India,time has come we should fight these war together to annhilate the hindus and their Dharma and established the Dhamma which is good for humen kind

  60. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Kumarpushap ji ,
    I was in also Delhi thosedays with my son who do job at there .You may email at c.l.chumber@gmail.com for further programme . Thanks .
    kumarpushp said
    June 6, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
    Dear Chumberji, May god give you long life to fight these barbaric hindus in India.I was in delhi but could not get time to meet you.

  61. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Chokha was forced to return to Mangalavedha as the people there wanted to construct a wall in order to separate shudra people from others. While he was working there, he was killed when the wall collapsed and was crushed. Sant Namdeo deeply grieved the death of a great Vaishnava devotee, went to Mangalavedha and brought the mortal remains to Chokha and constructed his Samadhi in Pandharpur in front of the Lord Panduranga temple.

    Courtesy : http://blogs.spiritual-note.com/sant-chokha-mela/

  62. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Saints of Maharashtra

    Sant Muktabai
    Sant Namdev
    Sant Ramdas
    Sant Savtamali
    Sant Tukaram
    Sant Venabai
    Sant Mahadamba

    Sant Chokhamela
    Sant Dnyaneshwar
    Sant Eknath
    Sant Janabai
    Sant Kanhupatra
    Sant Bahinabai
    Sant Muktabai
    Sant Namdev
    Sant Ramdas
    Sant Savtamali
    Sant Tukaram
    Sant Venabai
    Sant Mahadamba

    Popular Verses (abhang) of Sant Tukaram (Advanced Animation)
    Selected Verses from Shri Tukaram Gatha alongwith their english translation
    Popular Verses (abhang) of Sant Dnyaneshwar (Advanced Animation)
    Popular Verses (abhang) of Sant Eknath (Advanced Animation)
    Popular Verse (abhang) of Kanhupatra, one of the greatest devotees.
    Manache Shlok & Exctracts from Dasbodh
    An article by Shri Vivek Vinayak Vipra on the life of one of his ancestors who lived a life of a saint. This is a sort of research work.
    A marathi article on the life of Sant Tuka Vipra (not Sant Tukaram)
    Download MS Word Format
    Literature of Saint Tukavipra (pdf files)
    Aartis Diwali Hari Path Sant Naman
    You should have Kiran Font installed on your computer to read the article and the literary works of Sant Tukavipra.

    Courtesy : http://www.geocities.com/dharmachintan/sant/sant.html

  63. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    Dear Chumber ji ,
    First of all , I congratulate you on your research tour of Maharashtra , Karnatka and Andhra Pardesh states .I am impressed that you are very secular in your views.You did good analysis of a Brahmin by birth Nath Panthi Sant Janeshwar Gayaneshwar / Gayandev of Kalindi under tytle ‘ WE ARE PROUD OF THEM WHO SACRIFICED EVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US !!!!! ‘

    I send you also congratulations on your daughter getting MBA degree of Wales University , U.K. It is good that you even pledged your home for your children`s higher study loans .We Indian especially Dalits must follow Mr. Chumber .Please convey my congratulations to your wife and children on this rare success .I am your fan and feel sorry for the abuses of Mr. Happy Hindu and his friends .I warn Mr.Happy Hindu and his friends to hold their tongues and mind s , otherwise I have to file complaints against them to the police to teach them good lessons .

  64. C .L . CHUMBER said

    WHEN NEITHER YOU ABUSED ME AS CLAIMED BY YOU AND NOR I ABUSED , THEN THERE IS WRONG ISSUE ARISED BY YOUR ABSENT MIND !!!!!

    ACCORDING TO NEWTON`S THIRD LAW GRAVITY ,” THERE IS ACTION TO REACTION IN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE DIRECTION ! ”
    I HAVE NOT ABUSED EVER YOU , YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOUR GODS .I JUST POSTED AS UNDER IN REACTION TO YOUR POST WITHOUT ANY ABUSES :-

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    June 7, 2009 @ 6:01 am
    THEN I POST THESE ABUSES TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS , FRIENDS AND GODS !!!!!
    hh said
    June 5, 2009 @ 2:33 am
    Chumber,
    – -There is no abusive club and this is not some war to show off “how you are fighting”.

    IN THIS POST YOU CLAIMED THAT THERE IS NOT ANY ABUSIVE CLUB .
    WHEN NEITHER YOU ABUSED ME AS CLAIMED BY YOU AND NOR I ABUSED , THEN THERE IS WRONG ISSUE ARISED BY YOUR ABSENT MIND !!!!!
    hh said
    June 8, 2009 @ 11:50 am
    So now you are abusing my family, friends and gods?

    Who is the abuser Chumber? It is you and only you ofcourse.

    • hh said

      You are not making any sense as usual Chumber.

      In this post, when you said you return the abuses to my gods, family and friends, i called you an abuser. And now you are making comments that make no sense – what is this wrong issue arised in something called an absent mind (??)

      You feel you must react and post something on every single post anyone makes here. You are doing it for self-pomposness, for your self-grandiose image to show how “hard you are fighting”. There is no fight here Chumber. Save your sweat typing the keyboard.

      You are just a plain exploiter Chumber. If you really cared for the poor, you would have worked hard to ensure they get good education and employment opportunities, instead you talk about gods, religion and rubbish.

  65. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    Dear Chumber ji ,
    I am happy that you are not only negating the evil Gods and their followers but also present the rational , humanitarian and ethical socio-religious substitute for Indians .You are really a very charming lovely person to be regarded for ever .

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    June 8, 2009 @ 12:04 pm
    Saints of Maharashtra

    • hh said

      Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,

      You think that people will accept any substitute offered by a man like you? Who are you to offer substitute?

      And Chumber calls himself Charming, Lovely person. Wow!!! 😀

  66. DUKHI INDIA said

    I first of all saw such an informative website on the revered Maharashtrian Saints .I thanks Mr. Chumber ji .

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    June 8, 2009 @ 12:04 pm
    Saints of Maharashtra

  67. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE MANUWADI HINDUTVA IS A THREAT TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL BANDHUTAV AND ALSO THREAT TO THE INTEGRITY OF INDIA !!!!!

    DEAR VIEWERS ,

    THE ‘ MANUWADI HINDUTVA ‘ CAN NOT REPLACE THE ‘ CONSTITUTIONAL BANDHUTVA ‘ !!!!!

    THE MANUWADI HINDUTVA RECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    THE CONSTITUTIONAL BANDHUTAV DERECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!

    THE CONSTITUTIONAL BANDHUTAV ALLOWS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO ALL INDIAN CITIZENS IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR CASTE , CREED , GENDER , REGION , RELIGION AND LANGUAGE ETC.

    THE MANUWADI HINDUTVA ALLOWS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO ONLY INDO-ARYANS WITH THE GRADATION AND DEGRADATION VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED BY AUTOCRAT KING BRAHMA .

    THE MANUWADI HINDUTVA IS A THREAT TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL BANDHUTAV AND ALSO THREAT TO THE INTEGRITY OF INDIA !!!!!

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    June 15, 2009 @ 10:15 am
    BJP should give up ‘Hindutva’: RSS ideologue Vaidya

    • hh said

      You are again back to barking in caps about manuwadi and about gods as rapists, racists and fascists. If you go on abusing without basis, then you cannot expect others to treat you without abuses.

  68. C . L . CHUMBER said

    I am not Mr. Sharma , I am C.L.Chumber .The people will accept any substitute which relive them from the odds . Who are you to challenge these substitutes ?

    hh said
    June 12, 2009 @ 9:34 am
    Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,

    You think that people will accept any substitute offered by a man like you? Who are you to offer substitute?

    • hh said

      All those sages worshipped gods but you want people to worship the sages. You think people will listen to your ridiculous propositions?

      You can go on fooling poor illiterate people with your lies about manusmrithi, gita, puranas, gods, etc. Eventually when they get an education, they will know what to do.

      You and ram karishan sharma seem to know only limited stuff (which is very strange for someone who claims to be a brahmin). Neither of you are interested in reading up. Both only want to promote “chumber – the politician”.

    • hh said

      Who am i to challenge any so-called “substitutes” offered by you.

      People want monetary development. But you are talking about regressive trash.

      Those sages / saints worshipped gods, but you want people to worship those sages / saints.

      Atleast it is a better improvement from your dumbedkar stand of asking people to worship ambedkar (did anyone listen to you even that time).

      You are just a comedy show chumber.

  69. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    I Ram Karishan Sharma called Mr. Chumber charming and lovely due to his abuseless reasonig and daring writings . You can not claim these abilities .
    hh said
    June 12, 2009 @ 9:34 am
    Ram Karishan Sharma alias Chumber,

    – – –
    And Chumber calls himself Charming, Lovely person. Wow!!!

    • hh said

      LOL 😀 ok so loonies really need lot of “public” praise for “abilities”. Man, this is hilarious all over again. Can’t stop laughing.

      • hh said

        sorry, did not mean to offend with my laughing.

    • hh said

      Very nice. Self-praise. LOL.

      (ps: don’t worry. Nobody is interested in “claiming these abilities”)

  70. C . L . CHUMBER said

    IF YOU SAY ME DOG , I HAVE TO BE COMPELLED TO SAY YOUR DEAR ONES RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS AS WORST THAN DOGS !!!!!
    hh said
    June 17, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
    You are again back to barking in caps about manuwadi and about gods as rapists, racists and fascists. If you go on abusing without basis, then you cannot expect others to treat you without abuses.

    • hh said

      Its no big deal.

      Whatever you say is not going to make any difference to me or my dear ones.

  71. C . L . CHUMBER said

    EVEN THE NATURE IS AGAINST VHP`S World Hindu Convention AGENDA OF RAM TEMPLE ETC.

    THERE IS A PUNJABI PROVERB ‘ ATT KHUDA DA VAIR ‘ MEANS ‘ EXTREMISM IS OPPONENT OF THE GOD / NATURE ‘
    .
    THE MANUWADI VAIDIK HINDUS ARE CHALLENGING THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION BY THEIR MANUWADI ACTIVETIES !!!!!

    THEY ( RSS ) ARE EVEN SCOLDING MR. L.K. ADVANI , LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION IN THE LOK SABHA .

    THR RSS` POLUTED WING BJP IS NOW A DIVIDED HOUSE .THE IS ALSO A PUNJABI PROVERB ‘ HANKARIYA SO MARIYAA ‘ MEANS ‘ THE PRIDE HATH A FALL ‘

    Rain forces VHP to postpone World Hindu Convention
    COURTESY :
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rain-forces-vhp-to-postpone-world-hindu-convention/23143/

  72. C . L . CHUMBER said

    AS LONG AS THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS WRITE ” AMBEDKAR WAS A FALSE GOD ” , WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPOSE THE RAPISTS , RECEISTS AND FASCISTS TO WHOM THE HINDUS TREAT AS GODS !!!!!

    WE ARE NEITHER WORSHIPING NOR PREACHING TO WORSHIP OUR ANCIENT , MEADEAVAL AND MODERN SAVIOURS EXCEPT TO FULLFIL THEIR DREAMS TO ESTABLISH EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE IN THE INDIAN SOCIETY !!!!!

    WE ARE STRUGLING HARD TO EXPOSE THE EVILS IN THE SOCIETY AND EVIL GODS !!!!!

    hh said
    June 21, 2009 @ 12:38 pm
    .
    Atleast it is a better improvement from your dumbedkar stand of asking people to worship ambedkar (did anyone listen to you even that time).

    You are just a comedy show chumber.

  73. C . L . CHUMBER said

    SHUDRAS VS KASHATTRIYAS IN HINDU SCRIPTURES . ( ON GOOGLE )

    COURTESY ;http://www.google.co.in/search?q=SHUDRAS+VS+KASHATTRIYAS+IN+HINDU+SCRIPTURES+%3F&hl=en&filter=0

  74. C . L . CHUMBER said

    BRAHMA MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI

    bY Dr. Abraham Kovoor

    Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the

    “Saraswati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had no mother.
    COURTESY :
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/gods_and_godesses.html

  75. C . L . CHUMBER said

    THE RSS / BJP SHOULD GIVE UP :-
    THE ANTI-SCs, STs , OBCs AND WOMEN AGENDA !!!!!

  76. C . L . CHUMBER said

    MR. HAPPY HINDU IS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY PROVED AGAINST HIS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!
    * Second , I treat Mr. Happy Hindu`s family ladies as my family ladies ! Therefore no question arises of raping his family ladies by me !!!!!
    ** Without proof any one can blame that Mr. Happy Hindu being the follower of Brahma rapes his daughter daily ?
    *** I am voluntary missionary of the aboriginal Indians and I am of the opinion that caste / varna system and conversion to Hinduism and other religion divided the aboriginal Indians !!!!!

    hh said
    June 27, 2009 @ 5:38 am

    CHUMBER SHOULD GIVE UP :-
    ( 1 ) THE ACCUSATIONS AND LIES HE SPREADS ABOUT HINDU GODS !
    My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : The every thing is referred .
    ( 2 ) THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INVENTED AND MANTAINED BY THESE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST MINDED POLITICAL LEADERS LIKE CHUMBER !!
    My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : Mr. Happy Hindu must submit documentary proofs , if I invented and maintained the caste / varna system ! Indirectly , Mr. Happy Hindu discarded Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations due their being the rapists , racists and fascists !!!!!
    Second , I treat Mr. Happy Hindu`s family ladies as my family ladies ! Therefore no question arises of raping his family ladies by me !!!!!
    Third , I believe in the Indian constitution and the unity and integrity of my sweet country !!!!!
    ( 3 ) HIS LUNACY !!! :
    My answer ( C.L.CHUMBER ) is : I belong to a gentle family otherwise I may blame like you !!!!!
    ( 4 ) THE MUSLIM FUNDING AND ANTI-SECULARISM AGENDA .!!!!
    My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer : What is my Muslim funding ? Have you any proof ? Without proof any one can blame that Mr. Happy Hindu being the follower of Brahma rapes his daughter daily ?
    What is my anti-secularism agenda ? My agenda is anti-rapists , fascists and racists evil Gods !!!!!
    ( 5 ) THE DIVISION OF PEOPLE INTO SCs, STs , OBCs AND MISSIONARY BOOTLICKING AGENDA !!!!!
    My ( C.L.CHUMBER ) answer is : I had not divided people into SCs , STs and OBCs .Mr. Happy Hindu ! this means you are not in favour of caste / varna based division of human beings created by your Brahma Gods and maintained by your another Vishanu God and his incarnations .
    Second , I am voluntary missionary of the aboriginal Indians and I am of the opinion that caste / varna system and conversion to Hinduism and other religion divided the aboriginal Indians !!!!!
    CONCLUSION : MR. HAPPY HINDU IS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY PROVED AGAINST HIS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!

    • ToAStupidFellow said

      Nobody in my family treats you as a family member. You are a lunatic liar, fit only for a mental hospital.

      You only know to keep twisting other’s words and keep alleging things without proof. All for cheapskate publicity.

      Go stand in the next elections also, you are a born loser.

  77. C . L . CHUMBER said

    * Hinduism does not condemn gay people: UK Hindu Council
    COURTESY : http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hinduism-does-not-condemn-gay-people-uk-hindu-council/484563/

  78. RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said

    ToAStupidFellow said
    PLEASE READ THE PARLIAMENTARY LANGUAGE ( ? ) OF A PERSON WHO HAVE NO NAME .

    HE / SHE HAS A FAMILY ALSO . HE IS A ABUSER AND ISSUE THE MEDICAL CERTIFICATES WITHOUT CHECKING THE PATIENTS .

    BY THE WAY WHICH DID MEDICAL UNIVERSITY ISSUE A MEDICAL DEGREE TO A PERSON NAMED ” ToAStupidFellow ” LIKE UNSOUND MIND PERSON ?

    ToAStupidFellow said
    August 4, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
    Nobody in my family treats you as a family member. You are a lunatic liar, fit only for a mental hospital.

    You only know to keep twisting other’s words and keep alleging things without proof. All for cheapskate publicity.

    Go stand in the next elections also, you are a born loser.

    • hh said

      Come to court. The court will send you for psychiatric evaluation. Lets see what you will talk after that.

      If you are not a stupid coward, go and file a case in court and prove your allegations or provide your personal identifiers for us to file a case.

  79. ANITA GUPTA said

    I feel ashamed when I read that Brahma married his daughter Saraswati . We Hindus must disassociate ourselves from such unethical acts and Gods . I appreciate Dr. Kavoor for writing this after research and Mr. Chumber for reproducing it .

    C . L . CHUMBER said
    June 25, 2009 @ 9:26 am
    BRAHMA MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI

    bY Dr. Abraham Kovoor

  80. C.L.CHUMBER said

    THIS IS A VERY SENTATIONAL BOOK WHICH ELABORATES HOW THE DESCENDANTS OF MAHARA RANJIT SINGH WERE MADE IMPOTANTS .

    I ALREADY ELABORATED IN THIS BLOG THAT HOW THE DOGRAS OF JAMMU HELPED THE BRITISHERS TO WON THE MAHARAJA RANJIT SINGH KINGDOM AFTER HIS DEMISE AND KILLED HIS GRANDSON KANWAR NAUNIHAL SINGH .

    “But this is really what struck me as being very odd – a man with a big family, eight children, and no grandchildren,” Bance said.

    Book says Queen Victoria ensured end to royal Sikh bloodline

    London, August 16
    An India-origin writer has made a startling claim that Queen Victoria forbade the wife of the only married grandson of Maharaja Ranjit Singh from having children so that the British Raj could tighten its grip on Punjab.

    Peter Bance, a specialist in the history of Sikhs in Britain, writes about the reported instruction by Queen Victoria in his latest book, “Sovereign, Squire & Rebel”, a biography of Duleep Singh, son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

    The Sikh kingdom, among the fiercest opponents of the British Raj, is today among the few – if not the only one – of the erstwhile major Indian kingdoms without any direct royal descendants.

    Duleep Singh had six children from his first marriage and two from his second. All eight, including four who were married, died without any issue, a fact that the writer says fanned his curiosity.

    In his book, London-based Bance says Queen Victoria gave the instruction to Lady Anne Alice Blanche -the aristocratic English wife of Duleep Singh’s eldest son Prince Victor Albert Jay – in the summer of 1898. Lady Anne was the youngest daughter of the 9th Earl of Coventry.

    The reported instruction came 12 years after the British army physically stopped a disgruntled and rebellious Duleep Singh from returning to India from England, where he had been taken as a 12-year-old boy-king after being converted to Christianity.

    Bance, a Sikh, said he obtained the startling piece of information from a close “Coventry family source” of Lady Anne, who died in 1956.

    “This person, who told me not to mention his name, asked Lady Anne once, ‘why didn’t you have any children?’ and that was when Lady Anne spoke about Queen Victoria’s instructions. Of course Lady Anne, being an aristocrat herself, went by those instructions,” he said.

    Bance said the main reason why Queen Victoria would have given such a harsh command was the nascent Indian nationalism that had showed in Duleep Singh – otherwise a thorough ‘English’ country gentleman – throughout the late 1880s.

    Mounting expenses for the upkeep of the family would have been an additional factor.

    “There is no doubt that the family was always a thorn for the British establishment,” said Bance, who has being researching the life of Duleep Singh since 1996.

    Although Queen Victoria was very fond of Duleep Singh, he had been increasingly distressed by the failure of the British authorities to honour financial and other pledges made to him.

    The book goes on to refer to a second startling claim about an alleged British plot to stem the royal Sikh bloodline.

    It says Princess Bamba had told members of the Fakir family, who were former ministers in her father’s court, that when they were children their English cooks would put “substances” into their food so as to make them infertile.

    “The story seemed a bit far-fetched, but nonetheless not one of the Duleep Singh children had any issue,” says the book.

    “But this is really what struck me as being very odd – a man with a big family, eight children, and no grandchildren,” Bance said. — IANS

    Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090817/world.htm#2

  81. C.L.CHUMBER said

    THIS IS THE RAREST COMMENT ON THE ANTI-CONSTITUTION RSS` BJP .

    Jaswant describes BJP as Indian version of Ku Klux Klan

    TNN 27 August 2009, 02:36am IST
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    NEW DELHI: BJP’s dissidents seem to be digging in for a long fight even as expelled party leader Jaswant Singh added another turn of phrase –
    apart from Arun Shourie’s “humpty-dumpty” and “Alice in blunderland” – in describing his former outfit as an Indian version of the white supramacist Ku Klux Klan.

    Jaswant Singh’s reference to the BJP, of which he was member for 30-odd years, as a KKK-type outfit came in an interview to a news agency. Apparently in reaction to a question on why he was sacked, the former minister said, “Please don’t ask me. I am outside the magic circle of advisers or thinkers. Because I am not from the RSS, is that why? So are we a political party? Is the BJP becoming some kind of an Indian version of Ku Klux Klan?”

    The former minister refused to elaborate saying, “You know what the Klan means. You don’t ask me about this.” His outburst seems to suggest he now sees BJP as a secretive, violent sect that has no place for leaders like him who may espouse a sense of independent inquiry. His comment might also have to do with reports that Arun Shourie was not likely to meet the same fate as Singh due to the former’s proximity to the RSS.

    He chose to skirt around a question about why BJP leader L K Advani was rejected by people as a prime ministerial aspirant. He said it was for the BJP veteran to reflect on this. “It would be impertinent and perhaps, to a degree also, I would be commenting on my past 30 years with him if I commented on his characteristics, political or personal,” he said.

    Asked if Advani was surrounded by a coterie, Singh suggested his former leader was more led than a leader. “Does he run a coterie or does the coterie run him,” Singh asked. He said BJP should reflect on its relationship with RSS and be “mature enough to cut the umbilical cord”.

    “I feel for BJP to gain its full personality as a political organisation, they have to stand on their own feet. Now they should be mature enough to cut the umbilical cord,” he said. He disagreed with Shourie’s suggestion that RSS should take over the party saying it will not work. “I would like the BJP to reflect on what has happened and try to be a party of the 21st Century. They (RSS) are exclusivist. Besides, they are an organisation committed to social work,” he said.

    To a question on a long rope being extended to Vasundhara Raje in Rajasthan and Shourie merely being asked for a clarification, he said, “I am sorry. I cannot comment on it. I was told don’t come to the meeting. Of course. Good luck to Raje. But there are obviously double standards.”

    Asked if his expulsion was a message to other dissidents in the party, he shot back: “Am I a dissident. I am sorry. Your question suggests I am some kind of a dissident. I feel I am one of the original founding members of the party. Who felt that I had raised queries or questions? And is questioning or wondering or enquiring about the functioning of the party dissidence? So are we moving into an era of thought control?”

    Asked about chances of reconciliation with BJP, Singh said, “Reconciliation to what? Reconciliation to an insult?”

    He ruled out joining the Samajwadi Party, which has invited him to join it. “I am happy to be an independent.” He said he was an independent member of the Parliament now representing Darjeeling constituency and Gorkha Janmukti Morcha (GJM) has reaffirmed its total faith in him. “I will serve the cause of GJM and Gorkhaland. That is my karma bhoomi and my janam bhoomi is the desert. I shall serve them,” he said.

    He ruled out stepping down as chairman of the parliamentary Public Accounts Committee following his expulsion from BJP. Singh said he had consulted the secretary general of Lok Sabha, who said that rules did not require him to step down. The Committee is a mini-Parliament and it was the prerogative of the Speaker to remove him on certain grounds which do not apply to him, he said. When told he had become chairman because BJP nominated him to it, he said, “BJP nominated me only to contest the elections.”
    QnA: Does Jaswant Singh’s expulsion show that BJP is highly conservative about its party principles?

    Is the lack of young blood in BJP the biggest edge Congress has over them?

    Courtesy : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Jaswant-describes-BJP-as-Indian-version-of-Ku-Klux-Klan/articleshow/4937984.cms

  82. C.L.CHUMBER said

    Please read ” Reserved for failure ” by Mr. S.B. Misra in the Hindustan Times , Chandigarh dated 10th September , 2009 .

    Link : http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/ArticleImage.aspx?article=11_09_2009_008_009&mode=1

  83. Modgalya Kumar said

    This is a warning sent by a great Dalit intellectual Bhante Rahula to VTR on the latest editorial in Dalit Voice titled ‘SARASWATI KICKED OUT IN OUR CRAZE FOR LAKSHMI’ – http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/oct2009/editorial.htm

    Please circulate this to all our Dalit Brethren.

    E-Mail Sent on Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 14:02:49 (IST)
    ——————————————————————————–

    Name: Bhante Rahula
    Email: rahula@ambedkar.org
    Profession: Dalit Intellectual
    Address: Dombvili
    City: Mumbai
    Country: India
    Message: Dear VTR, The latest issue of Dalit Voice has caused a lot of heart burn for the Dalit movement in India. The whole dalit community in India are now suspecting that you are soft peddling Hinduism. You have mentioned that Saraswathi is being sidelined for Lakshmi. Why are you using Hindu imagery and godesses. This is the way Hindus have enslaved everyone. They even say 65% of Americans beleive in Karma, Reincarnation and Self Help. All hindu concepts. We are now wondering what happened to Dalit voice talking about Lakshmi and saraswathi. Did not Babasaheb in his conversion oath ask us not to mention or pray to Hindu gods and godesses. Now you want us to pray to Saraswathi. BTW Hindutva Nazis say Buddhists in Japan also worship Saraswathi and call her Benzantai. Hindu tentacles are spread far and wide. As a dalit intellectual I request you not to publish such Hindu stuff in your great magazine. The whole Dalit community in India has now reacted against it. How do I know. I know because the whole Dalit community of India has told me that and they are suspecting your allegience to the Dalit cause. We Dalits had accepted you even though you were upper caste Bunt and not a Dalit. Don’t play around with our emotions. I am warning you in nice terms since I am an Intellectual and not an Activist. I just think and give great Ideas to Dalit Movement. But if our activist Brothers take this up against you, it will not be in the nice terms that an intellectual like me uses. So this is a forewarning. You should now apologize to the Dalit Community for using the names of Hindu gods and godesses. We don’t want to go back to Hinduism and caste system again. Having escaped caste system we are breathing free now. Now you don’t do any mischief which will bring us to caste system. Because the moment we accept this lakshmi saraswathi nonsense, the Hindu Bramins will pust us back into caste system and will degrade us as antyajas. You are doing a great disservice to Babasaheb. I am asking you to publish your Apology in the next issue of Dalit Voice. Or else it is my duty as a Dalit Intellectual to ask all the Dalits to ban Dalit Voice. Jai Bheem Bhante Rahula Dalit Intellectual
    Findhow: Referred by Friend
    Findwhich: Anand Teltumbude

  84. Bhagwans&Gods&IswarsAreMySlaves said

    I am planning that I have to teach some good things to all God, Ishwar, & bhagwan. Though they are just poor chaps, and we have so compassion, it is our responsibility to give them insight that there is only way to free from slavery and it is world recognized, Conversion. I suggest them all of you slaves (God,Ishwar @ bhagwan) come to my refuge, I am the supreme of supreme, a human being, a Buddhist, I can give you salvation by Converting you so you can also spend your life as ordinary people and will send all of you to do “AndhaShradha Nirmulan Samiti’s” crash course for life time until your death.

  85. Dear viewers ,
    The Tribune , Chandigarh ,Sunday, December 13, 2009 published the book review under title ” The marvels of Indus Valley by Mr. Kuldip Dhiman ” of the book ” Harappan Technology and its Legacy written by Mr. D. P. Agrawal.The publisher of this book is the Rupa & Co. in Association with Infinity Foundation.
    Its pages are 332 and the price is not mentioned.The review is as below ;

    ***
    WHAT is now known as the Indus Valley Civilisation or Harappan Civilisation was discovered accidentally when a railway line was being laid down in the 1920s. Initially, archaeological sites were found in the twin towns of Mohenjodaro and Harappa, now in Pakistan, but with the passage of time, more and more sites have been found in the north of the Indian subcontinent. It was Sir John Hubert Marshall, the then director-general of the Archaeological Survey of India who carried out initial excavations of the sites. Western historians until then had thought that India’s historical past was not more than 3,000 years old, but these excavations pushed the timeline by at least 2,000 years back, if not more.

    In the present volume, Harappan Technology and its Legacy, D. P. Agrawal focuses on Harappan technological achievements, although he covers other aspects also. This is quite an exhaustive book that covers ecology, technology, architecture, arts, crafts, transportation, stone cutting art, ceramics, metallurgy, pyrotechnology, animal husbandry and agriculture. The author is an expert in the subject, and has worked with the Archaeological Survey of India, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, and Physical Research Laboratory. He writes in a direct matter-of-fact style, and packs his thesis with hard facts.

    The first thing that strikes us is the amazing care in town planning that we see in these sites. Major towns could accommodate more than 50,000 people, and the engineers and architects had to be really competent in order do design such settlements. A standard grid was followed in the design of these towns. The engineers of the time made sure to construct reservoirs for drinking water, and also made sewage lines and storm water drains. The Harappan engineering prowess is most clearly revealed in the hydraulic structures. Then we have the Great Bath, which is an example a perfect leak-proof structure.

    In the past 90 years, many other sites have been discovered, and with every find, archaeologists and historians have come across amazing all round achievements of the civilisation.

    Agrawal shows that when it came to scientific instruments, the Harappans contributed the true saw, needles (with holes at the pointed end), hollow drills, and so on.

    “The Harappan arts and crafts,” writes Agrawal, “present a bewildering array of forms, techniques, and usage of raw materials. They had a highly developed lapidary industry that could work on hard stones like agate and chalcedony, and soft stones like steatite. They could produce intricate designs by alkali etching of carnelian beads, which were probably meant for export to Mesopotamia.”

    Another striking feature of the civilisation was standardisation of industrial norms. The Harappans had developed a binary metrological system for measuring weights, and used a unit of 17mm for linear measurements. The bricks used in construction of buildings were of standard size—in fact, all things were standardised.

    The Harappans used locally available raw materials for manufacturing crafts such as woodworking, basket making, simple weaving, terracotta pottery, and so on, although they had to import raw materials for stone-shaping for domestic purposes, and chipped stone tool-making. There was a third category crafts using local materials, complex technologies, and intricate production processes such as in stoneware bangle manufacture, elaborately painted pottery, complex weaving and carpet making, ceramics, and metallurgy. They possessed the knowledge of smelting even sulphide ores and produced bronze in complicated shapes.

    The Harappans were also good at the arts and this can be seen from the surviving sculptures such as the Red Torso, the Dancing Girl, and the famous Priest King. The sculptors not only were good at human figures, but also at sculpting animals. And then, of course, we have a large collection of ceramics, pots, bowls, pans, etc.

    Obviously, a civilisation that had achieved such scientific, technological and artistic heights could not have done so without having a solid agricultural base. At Kalibangan, we can still see plough marks in a field, and a terracotta model of a plough from Banawali is very elegantly designed.

    One thing that sets the Harappan civilisation apart is its concern with the ordinary masses. While all the great cities of the world built great palaces and monuments which were largely for the benefit of the rich, the Harappans built structures which were for the masses like the Great Bath and the Granary. They did not show much interest in conquering; they were more interested in creating.

    The book has dozens of colour photographs, maps, diagrams and sketches that beautifully illustrate the text. There is an amazing array of new artefacts that makes this volume all the more interesting.
    Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091213/spectrum/book2.htm

  86. Naveen said

    Buddha and His Dhamma is the events of life of Buddha and have reference in various sutta,,,,,,,,,Hindu mentality does not change cos like licking brahmin boots without knowing what crap they have told in vedas, upanishas, purana, gita, ramayana, mahabaratha etc…….

    History is the evidence that in Hindusim there is no great men,,,,,so whenever they find greate people in other religion they try to hinduize them……..eg Sai Baba, Shishunal sharieffa, Mahavira, Guru Nanak ji or Buddha……..

    Show one great hindu who was as equivalent to Buddha, Jesus Or Prophet Muhammad with terms of spreading love to all, equal treatement, human development and importantly humanity……..Infact the great in Hindu is defined as those people who sing songs on god and do nothing to humanity but fool people in the name of god

    • Hindu Pragmatist said

      Mahatma Gandhi certainly didn’t spread as much “love” as Prophet Mohammed, but he was equal to Gautama Buddha and Jesus Christ in spreading real love.

  87. C . L . CHUMBER said

    Dear Naveen ,
    Please read the literature of the medeaval shudar saints .They fought against the Brahmins and the brahminism relenlessly .

  88. Bodhi Dharma said

    I am an Indian Christian. I am in the US. I do not know of the kind of Buddhism introduced by Ambedkar. Here many are taking interest in Buddhism and so do I.

    Buddhism survived in Asian countries as it was originally created. One should study the practices done in these places to understand real buddhism. Meditation not necessarily mean sitting and watching one’s breath as done in Zen and Vippasana. If you don’t want to just sit and watch your breath, then you can listen to discourses by a buddhist monk and contemplate on the teachings. Law of karma is central to buddhism. The goal is to cultivate your mind to avoid creating karma that produces unpleasant results.

    Buddha only rejected the concept of separate entity called Atman and a creator God. He did not reject the moral conduct prescribed at his time. It is universal and natural law. It was Buddha who emphasized the law of karma which was later incorporated in the hindu scriptures in formal manner. However Buddha’s karma teachings were about natural cause and effect and was with compassion – the Brahmins manipulated it and applied it to the caste system. No one is born in Dalit caste because of past karmas. You and the Brahmins have the same oppurtunity to generate good karmas in this life time. No one can take that right away from you.

    Dalits have a wonderful oppurtunity to pursue the teachings of Buddha and empower themselves. Buddha’s main point is to not rely on anyone. Only rely on yourself. You have unlimited wisdom and power within you. Clinging to ego and the concept of self makes one weak. Purity of heart will make you fearless.

    We all know that the Brahmins abused their power and did not fulfill their responsibility of ensuring the well being and development of society. They created the caste system to ensure free slave labor and now they are swindling money from people under the pretext of Bhakti. But your power lies in recognizing these as human weaknesses and getting past them. Now under the Indian constitution they cannot make you slaves. Instead of being stuck with past history, focus on the future. Don’t depend on politicians, or people who try to take advantage of your Dalit status. Forget you were ever Dalits – by not doing so you are only empowering those who termed you as Dalits.

    Awaken the higher powers within you. Focus on getting more education – not just for getting a degree, but for truly gaining knowledge and wisdom. Organize sanghas and regularly read buddhist scriptures and contemplate/meditate on them. The greatest power is developing yourself intellectually and spiritually. When you are empowered from within, it does not matter what the Brahmins were or were not. You will make more progress than them. Prove that you can create a better society and country that the Brahmins failed to in the past 2000 years.

    I sincerely wish you people the best. I understand the tragedy to Indian society caused by the caste system. It is all over now. Now a bright future awaits you. You show the way to the rest of the nation.

  89. Sanjam said

    What do you have to say about Mr A Raja?
    Mr Chumber, your dalit leader Raja went crazy in criminal conspiracy, resulting in the biggest loss and scam in history of the country.
    Victory to dalits… indeed.

  90. Dear Sanjam , Mr. A. Raja used and thrown by the manuwadi corrupt system . I left my Tehsil Welfare Officer post 32 years ago in 1979 A.D. as I could not become part and parcel of the maniwadi corrupt system !

  91. modern indian said

    oh man chumber, i dont get ur point. if you dont want to worship hindu gods and consider them to be rapist, racist and fascist after reading some crap book written by a man as retarded as yourself, then quit hinduism.
    Now that you say you are a buddhist, and not a hindu, brahminism, munwadi ideas and all such things should never bother you. coz u r not a part of it. you should be happy minding your religion. what we hindus follow is none of ur business.

    I have right to worship whomever i want, may it be a rapist or whoever. i dont need your dalit permission.

    If you have a problem with meditation, dont do it. its as simple as that. why create a blog and make an issue of that?

  92. Abraham said

    Meditation is a part of buddhism.ambedkar buddhism is only political if u hate to hinduism than buddhism isnot best option .lord buddha was a incarnation avtar of vishnu.in many countries such as indonesia buddha statue with hindu god .u should convert to muslim or christian thanks

  93. mike said

    To call Mahayana Buddhism non-Buddhist is laughable at best. The individial who has written this artcile has a very narrow and politically orientated view of Buddhism. It is interesting how he targets Buddhists for having a Brahmin background., when the Buddha tought there were no castes at all. No dalit, no brahmin, no kshatriya etc. He did not teach some reversal of the caste system where dalits were on top and brahmins untouchables. I don’t know how anyone can take this article seriously when it so obviously politically motivated, as well as both castist and ignorant in nature.

  94. arun said

    dear friends it is a full of wrong assumption about sangharekshita and tbmsg,fwbo . u are absalutly wrong about these things. u know only sangharekshita is reconstruct buddhism as the wish of dr.ambedker. if you really understood BUddha and future of his religion written by dr.ambedker then only u could understood tbmsg or fwbo. before make a conclution about tbmsg or fwbo pls go through this book of ambedker. i can firmly say sangharekshita is a real friend of dalith whether he is a white or brutish man .you know lot of delit uplifted by this tbmsg. it is a real example of ur concern
    with metta
    arun from kerala

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