Many Dalit intellectuals have burnt a lot of midnight oil trying to analyze why our saviour Babasaheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar married Mai Savitha Ambedkar, a chitpavan brahmin from Maharashtra. Did Babasaheb fall a prey to the Brahmin conspiracy. Many of my dalit brothers and writers in Maharashtra hint that there is a conspiracy from the brahmins. Some of the upper caste people laugh at this. Some of their twice born intellectuals even claim that Babasaheb wanted a trophy Brahmin wife. How true are all these. Why have we dalits come to such a stage that we are even questioning our leader. Do these people think that they are more intelligent than Babasaheb, the most revolutionary leader since Gautama Buddha.
Babsaheb can never be wrong. There is a message in each and every action of his life. Babasaheb by Marrying the doctor brahmin Mai Ambedkar has shown us that even women in Brahmin community is oppressed and the only way they can be saved is to get them out of their jati. Brahmin women are also Dalits in a way. Brahmin women are the biggest victim of Brahmin conspiracy. Manu treats women like filth, even brahmin woman. Out dalit women are much more free than the brahmins. They dont become untouchable during menstruation. They work in the fields and they cook.
If you want to finish the brahmins then marry the Brahmin women. Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna. Then Brahmins the micro minority 3 percent population of india will have no women left to marry and breed. They will die a natural death and become extinct. Look at the genius of Ambedkar. Without understanding Ambedkar’s genius all these so called Dalit intellectuals are making all kinds of noise and falling prey to manuwadi agendas. Remmber manuwadis beleive what they want to believe and they make you believe what they want you to believe.
Educate, Organize and Agitate – Jai Bhim
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everythingisok said
Babasaheb married a brahmin because generally chitpavan brahmin girls are pretty and ambedkar was human too. What’s wrong in marrying a pretty girl that to when he is a well educated and a successful leader.
Too much is made out of ambedkar’s life as if he is a role model for all things related to the life of dalits and the underprivileged. Ambedkar identified with the underprivileged only from an academic sense. He was more western in his outlook and habits and had hardly anything in common with a normal dispossessed dalit.
Ashish said
I agree with you on most points here…he was western in his habits and more so with his ideology and way of thinking…his writings reflect that, but i do not agree with you that his identification with dalits was mere academic.
The wearer knows where the shoe pinches, they say. He kind of commitment and passion he had in his fight for dalit is not justified if the reasons are academic.
On his marriage with Savita Ambedkar, I think ppl are reading too much into it. Its a personal thing and doesnt have to have any social or public implication.
meera said
There is ofcourse an element of conspiracy in this.
1. brahmins always try to possess atleast by marriage highly talented people and eventually stop them from going higher.
Eg. Bachans marrying aiswarya
sachin tendulkar-Dr. Anjali U can add to the list.
2 Brahmin women are highly oppressed in the name of religion and rituals
Eg. They are made to work almost 20 hrs a day at home
they are deprf sleep
most of their brahmin husbands have secret wifes. outwardly thay are clean
3. brahmin whores are arranged to demoralise other caste politicians
DEV said
Hey Its not any kind of issue to discuss…. he proposed a constitution where equality , independence and fraternity is the core elements.
So in India by constitution and legal law … you can marry anyone on your choice and willful desecration of both side….. So i feel Its a personal matter to marry or to decide to live with who… so for this you need love and like and willful thought … so there is no conspiracy and its very personal matter… not brahmin-dalit issue … so its very unworthy to make issue of his marriage.. rather than respecting like or love of their marriage.
tutunmatun said
exactly. u r ryt… whatevr babasaheb did , he was ryt at his point… whtev the writer of this blog is thnking is wrng…..
SUNIL said
NO PROBLEM U MARRY BRAHMIN GIRLS AND WE BRAHMNS WILL MARRY DALIT GIRLS AND CONVERT DALITS TO BRAHMINS
RKNAIDU said
INDIAS MOST PROBLEMS ARE BECAUSE OF THESE BRHAMIN SNAKES, DEVIDED US, DESTROYED US WITH FALSE BELEIVES, WE ALL BOYCOT TEMPLES, EDUCATE OURS,
SPEAK UP AGAINEST BRAHMIN OPPRESSION OF OUR STUPID INDIANS WITH ALL LIES ABOUT GODS.
YES I AGREE WE SUDRAS SHOULD PROODUCE CHILDREN FOR BRHMIN WOMEN.
aS LONG AS HUMANS LISTEN TO BRHMIN CULT, INDIA HAS NO FUTURE, THESE ARE CRIMINALS DESTROYED ,BUDDHISM, CREATED CAST, DEVISION, WAKE UP , OUR ENEMY IS BRAHMIJ.
RKNAIDU, IAS.
H.N.Bindu Madhava said
Mr.RKNAIDU,
U are a quolified IAS officer, U know better the constitutional facts. For division of any caste Brahmins are not only responsible. Really it is Muslims and Christians are rueing us by converting Hindus to their religion. The existenace of Hinduism, is only because of Adi Shankaracharya. Pl.. look at the past history , the contribution to the nation by Brahmins are marvalous. Every caste has good and bad people in their rays.
1. The muslims are dangerous by nature. You can find ONE Abdul Kalam but NINETy NINE KARAMS. The Proverb is ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS.
2. These Cristians are slow poison people. They have entered the world market by helping poor people in the field of Education and Hospital. But they are slowly converting our Hindus. Do U find and Original Muslim or Christian in our Country ?.
PL. look at the history and speak.
thanks
BM
hitler said
Mr Naidu. I think you are the burden over the earth. It is the benovolancy of Brihmin that shudra are still alive in India. there is no black coloured shudra in Europe because all of them were eliminated . But only in India you are alive because we people of aryans have faith in single god. all human being is the part of god. you say that shudra should get children from brahmin woman then where will go your mothers sisters and daughters. would they offer their wovm to monkies or dogs. I think only you can give true answer because it seems you are the scion of the above mentioned animal creature.
PAVAN said
being an IAS officer mr naidu how can u speak such an unparlementry language and i can see the jealous in your heart as u r not born brahmin.
INDIA IS STILL ALIVE DUE TO BRAHMINS .
THINK REFER HISTORY AND BE A BIT MORE RESPONSIBLE(NOT AS AN IAS BUT ATLEAST AS AN INDIAN CITIZEN).
Upadhyay said
We the people of india quite religious & pure heart . We for centuries offers milk to snakes (without going in details that snakes actually do not drink milk). The venom of the snake can not be taken so lightly as been indicated by Mr. Naidu.
He is an IAS ( why we all know) and why is he saying so ( thats too we know). I guess Mr. Naidu writing on Internet will not serve your purpose. Most of your good non-snakes (dont know what then) are not on Net.
I am sad to see the name of this blog too. Did we ever hear of Brahmin nation , Kshatriya nation etc ( though it was like that only for centruies) . It is hoped that there is some better reason for such name except for frustation of ppl like Naidu and their inferiority complex .
I am sad that most of actual Dalits ( I will say really poor and needy ) are happy if in evening they are having food to eat. I am not leaving such under priveledged people from UP which are being governed by Ms. Mayawati . They can not actually ever dream for having someone from their family as Civil servant.
It is seen that most of these Dalit IAS are treating Civil services as their family right and wants that such benefits and priveleged post only for their kins and families. They actually want that least of ppl from oppressed class come out of their miserries and become their competitor.
Mr. Naidu and likes are actually eating the right of entire oppressed class. And still what is their Intellect level can be seen by his comments. I can only pray that he and ppl like him would have been somewhat constructive and have positive output & vision at their workplace.
God save the oppressed class from such Neo- Brahmins who are neither Brahmins and nor oppressed.
Shantanu Khandkar said
R.K. Naidu. IAS. Reservations. Enough said.
shrimantrao said
There is a saying in Marathi viz. “Kolhyala Drakshe Ambat” . I think the dalits and the OBC’s and all the ‘bahujan samaj’ should initiate and facilitate the mission of ‘Roti and Beti Vyavahar’ only amongst themselves and completely avoid marrying any Brahmin and thus isolate Brahmins. That will also send a signal that the best species is found amongst dalits, OBC’s, BC’s and other bahujan samaj and not in the Brahmins, By marrying Brahmins the dalits OBC’s, BC’s and other bahujan samaj are in a way admitting and surrendering to the concept supremacy of Brahmins. This mission should be initiated vigorously by all the political leaders who are anti Brahmin and particularly those people especially from the Maratha Caste who call themselves to be non believers in casteism and who believe in the ideology of Secularism. By marrying their ons and daughters to Dalits, OBC’s, BC’s, SC’s and the down trodden castes, the Maratha Community in Maharashtra and people like MLA Mr. Mete, Purushottam Khedkar, Shrimant Kokate, Pawar, Mohite, Deshmukh who believe in uplifting the down trodden castes – bahujans can easily teach a lesson to the Brahmins.
From A person of new generation said
Mr. Naidu, ur statements r very disgusting & rubbish…. i wonder how can an educated person like u say so….. r u really educated???? no u r not. u r a person of an unstable mind.. go an consult a psychiatrist bcoz u have a deep infiriority complex of being born in a dalit caste. u should be sacked from ur job in thrown in a mental assylum… u n people like u r destroying our society n putting a wrong picture for d new generations. u r a burden on this society… ur further generations should be ashamed of u n ur thoughts.
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aam admi said
Brahmins plus Dalits = Power in Delhi
Jai Mayavati
i j swamy said
Don`t marry snakes .
kishor said
I think RK NAIDU’s thoughts are like prostitutes who can never think holy.
Indian said
There s nothing that differentiate lower caste and upper caste but the thinking,will power, bravery and intelligence. And this is proved by author of above article..
Did you hear anything produced/discovered/invented by lower caste that helped India ?
Is there any Army Unit by the name of Chamaar or SC that defends Indian borders from enemy ?
And what else is expected from anyone living in India ?
Now we must say why America is World Power?
In America there no such Caste based Reservation system.
And Barack Obama didn’t get any caste based reservation to become president of United States.He worked hard , struggled and fought for that.
People do some productive work and make India Proud. Leave marriage and personal decision personal only.
Everyone know India has over billion people and 50 million are SC[Source Wikipedia].They live on government mercy, like reservation,Govt. Help etc but never work for themselves and keeps imagining conspiracy theories against upper caste and are useless to Indian Economy.There was only one SC who qualified truly , BR Ambedkar and he too married a Brahmin girl because he knew SC girls are useless.Now Talking about remaining non Schedule caste only 50% are productive people and running country. Congress is busy pleasing SC and muslims because they are brainless and are easy to be controlled by Italian Mafianos.
God Bless India.
rakesh katka said
FRANKLY TO SAY THAT NAIDU WOMENS ARE QUITE PRETTY AND MY NEIGHBOUR IS LOWER CASTE AND HE LOVED THE KAPU GIRL AND ENJOYED ALOT
i j swamy said
R K Naidu (kaapu caste) sab , We Brahmins decide ultimately how you must live . Worship us .
raj said
idiots u dont have inborn sense and u prefer to marry brahmin women.once u learn everything from them u try to destroy the evidance.and more over NAIDU`s are such an idots that they dont have proper identy.tehy r corss of Iyengars,Muslims etc.They r the true bastards.like Vijaykanth of Tamilnadu…….
bhima shanker said
Your comments merely reflect a very deep-rooted hatred for the brahmin community. You probably just inherited this attitude from the elders in your family and believed in it unthinkingly. Most of us grow up only to believe in the prejudices that are instilled in us during our childhood. It is true that at one time the Brahmin community dominated the society and when one section of society is placed on a pedestal there is bound to be some sort of exploitation of others. But so many generations have past now and today’s brahmin is so different from his ancestors. Such continued anger becomes unjustified and only perpetuates the very casteism that we need to oppose.
Brahmins rock said
RK Naidu ….Randi ki aulad mkl …tum chutiyo ki kuch aukat hai nahi khudki toh Brahmins ko blame karte ho…..reservation ki wajah se tumhara khandan chal rha hia…..warna tum sabke sab abhi tak hum Brahmins ki tatti saaf karte rehte….mc ke pille teri maa chodunga agar dubara Brahmins ke khilaf kuch bola….
shivu said
Never blame any community. I know INDIA is made of different flavours in terms of community, customs, traditions, food etc… That’s why India is different from any other country in the world. Mr. Naidu, I heard U as an IAS officer and serving a respectable, top most position in our country. These emotions will not fit for your job as you are suppose to treat people equally. Never blame on women of any community, since in india women is getting a lot of respect compared to any other country. Question yourself and consult with your family members that what made you to speak these words??? If we unite instead of blame game we will rule the world.
I think in olden days the cast system was created based on the work. I think you know well than me as since you are an IAS officer and it is a part of your IAS entrance. GIVE RESPECT AND TAKE RESPECT…
BHARAT MATA KI JAI…..
prasad rao said
fuck u posing as ias,
ur nothing but fake…
Did only brahmins only discriminated you
Every other upper cast discriminated u
Even u ppl discriminate each other eg. sc st
it was British propaganda that if india gets
Independence only brahmins will rule the
Country that propaganda was used to deny
independence to india which was later cached
up by fools like u and ambedkar
fucker thats how i caught u that u were faking to be
an IAS coz every IAS will have some knowledge in history
even if he got through with just reservation with out merit
dear SC/ST brothers don’t believe fakers like him
just live ur life proudly and fight for ur own upliftment
these fakers, fuckers , will continue British propaganda
just judge our socity with ur own life experiences
put ur hand on ur heart weather u ppl ever got discriminated
grossly only coz of ur cast in this modern society in india
Think brothers think….
cutie said
well said you are right…..God doesn’t need Brahmin priest, god isn’t so narrow minded. god accept everyone. actually Brahmin priest needs god to make money.
jai said
bhag madarchod
BuddhamSharnam said
My dear brothers & sisters why you all are full of poison for Brahmans ?
Had you ever thought why we dalits were not there where these brahamans were? Why the history depicts that how & why we got??
No doubt Brahmans were superiors that times & we were fools who went busy in picking filth. Why we went stupid then?
We are responsible for our present not anybody else should be blamed. We were granted for reservation for 10 yrs still we found ourselves crawling begging for the reservation. We dnt want to change..we want to live in the mercy given by others.
Fools are those who believes that there stupid post will be accepted undoubtedly. Remember one thing we are Hindu & should feel proud in it! Vedas are our roots don’t raise finger towards it..If you still have doubts than go & study than revert speaking few words of english doesn’t shows your smartness. All facts & figure shared by this forum is suspected & colored with hate supported minds which could be supported by bastard politicians who want to keep us alive as once we were!
My friends come..wake up! Time has come to break the chains & leave the hatred world behind. Its a time to stand up for our country despite of caste. Jai hind!
Vivek said
MR. RK Naidu You seem to be worse than terrorists in terms of the hatred and venom you have for a particular community. Being an IAS office the kind of things you are saying are criminal. You talk of untouchability and all the historic wrongs but what you are doing is worse than that. Even budha or your beloved babasaheb never preached hatred. Learn to be human.
Brijendra said
Mr Naidu how about asking pakistan for help to destroy brahmins.I have heard pakistani generals bragging that Dalits of India will support them in eliminating brahmins !!!
sriniranga said
yes i agree we bramans should produce childrens for sudras women .. bramin
Prithvi said
Mr RKNAIDU, wonder what sort of an IAS you are.. You can not frame a sentence or even spell.. The likes of you are responsible for the trash India is in.. Fathering brahmin kids?? Wonder which ape fathered you, you complex ridden a**hole..
BrahminsZindabad said
Brahmin’s are the best and will be the best – We are the High Race.
You fucking low-caste bastards want to eat, live and enjoy without working for it. We pay the fucking tax and you bastards enjoy – you know this is surviving in others SPIT.
Fucking caste reservation survivors – if you low caste bastards really have balls try to compete in any field without taking reservation benefit. You people are stinky faggots ruining India as a whole
Gautam said
A Big fuck u IAS
Alok said
Instead of all dese concept just relax and think about the futher now no one is brahmin no one is dalit all are equal …
AK said
Naidu….. You moron go get yourself fucked. And don’t claim yourself to be an IAS you retard
danooosh said
You are not IAS you are ISI chemcha , you are abusing whole community without any authentic reason? how silly you are
Atul said
Nothing against anyone, but see the history for urself, when Indians were the rulers, teachers & wealthy people. Now, with liberation of sorts, corruption everywhere, where do we stand?
This blogging, divide and rule policy is adoption by socalled netas (they can’t be called leaders) where they keep you busy in these skirmishes, and enjoy the fruits of leading a nation.. They have nothing to do whether you go to heaven or hell or to dogs
Patil Manav said
Where r u posted as an IAS? u seems to be a fanatic. need to report ur name to GOI
Veena said
What is wrong with all of you? I have seen so many people doing wrong things — men and women of all tribes, but I never think like this. That an entire tribe has to be finished. Use and apply intelligence. Ambedkar was also a chauvinist, and he was wrong on many things. It doesnt mean dalits should be wiped out. I feel Indians display emotions and absolutely no rationality.
meghanad said
Its our education which was planned by the British & Lord Macaulay who sow the seeds of hatred into all Hindus as they were unable to overpower the strong bonding, they just cut the crap of caste which never existed in Sanatana dharma. The hatred in the cracks of Sanatana dharma was pre planned in many aspects, the British & Mughuls performed all the atrocities in the disguise of Brahmin & on the name of Brahmin & Dalit. We can find that these two missiles of the words dictionary existed only after the invasions from these coward dacoits who couldn’t conquer our brave Kshatriya kings, also they couldn’t conquer the Vaishyas who were into world wide business but they sensed Bramhana & Shudra sects were more caring about the society so they created a plot of getting them divided by creating hatred amongst themselves & use them to conspire against the strong & wealthy Bharat to loot easily.
You can check in any kings defeat they used our hatred one against their winning by cheating.
aaryan said
YES I AGREE WE SUDRAS SHOULD PROODUCE CHILDREN FOR BRHMIN WOMEN. ha ha ha ha ha ha…. insane… do you know only mother mitochondrial DNA is passed to offsprings… so dalit marrying a brahmin woman will get brahmin DNA strong.. m seeing ppl talking rubbish in name of Baba saheb..
puloman said
He married her because bhangi girls look ugly
Akshay said
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha………………… bwwaaahahahahahahahahahahahaaa……………. thats all i can say.. Puloman you are the man………..
satish said
Good one.
satish said
Very good one
indus mission of culture said
Mr. hitler,
You have played your coin what u are! We the aboriginals have a humanistic tradition to welcome and offer sustenance to the guests come from anywhere. Still our people are continuing the same worship and feeding you sacrificing themselves. But you? the treacherous (NIMAK HARAM) parasite have been sucking our blood to destroy ourselves entering our house. The aboriginals gradually have been identifying you the main criminal of this country, who destroyed our beliefs, philosophy, education, architecture and dhamma.
Your Arthasastra, Manusmriti and other criminalistic literature never identifyed a woman as Brahmin rather animal (PASU). In that view no woman in India is a Brahmin. On the other hand the the killer, barbar, rapist Aryans entered our country without any woman. Killing our simpliest people they captured our women and raped them drinking Sura. U the bastard the unwanted child claiming as Brahmin and still giving us threat!!! Dont cross the line of our tolerance. Wash your Brahmanical sin otherwise U will soon be put into the Man Musium for farther study as the bloodsucking species of homosapiance.
Balwant Mangat said
Banias have money and their women love good food and sit comfortably in air conditioned rooms but most of them look like black or grey elephants or buffalows. I am a Sikh and my jamadarni looked more beautiful than us. How dare you can say this. My family became educated right after Puna Pact. They worked hard and became sucessful in the field of education, politics and financially. They educated their seven daughters , out of which four moved to U.S. and Canada and became docters nurses etc. There husbands are also doctors, engineers and specialists. I am the only one who married a so called high caste.
My husband was always jealous of them. All he could do is get drunk and vent out his frustration by swearing at them on the phone.
They got their phone unlisted. He was burning to control them. Even I got admitted into a foreign university. If we were in India a stigma would always be attached with that we came under reservation. In these countries reservation is given to all minorties under the name of affirmative action.
My point is that Scheduled castes live under abject poverty and
also they are subjected to hate and deprivation. How do you expect them to compete with people who have no financial and emotional problems due to casteism.
Our cleaning lady was Brahmin. She did not know our caste. After few days I told not to leave clean dishes in the sink. She told me “we are Brahmans we are not Mazhabi Sikhs. Her son had married a Mazhabi who was working as a maid in a DSP’s house. She was very beautiful and her son stoped her from working as a maid. I told my Brahmin maid “If God considered you any higher than
your daughter-in-law or me than he would throw a package of Rs 10,000 per month your house and you would’nt have to do cleaning
work”. I also asked her how did yiu get to this position? You had no barrier or obstruction in your way from society? I also told her I don’t like your way of thinking and I don’t want you to work in our house anymore.
bikash upadhyay said
here is the reason why b. ambedkar married brahmin girl……ambedkars mom was working in brahmins house as an house maid and ambedkar was born as a mercy of that brahmin which was not known to the society,,it was only known to the couple,, brahmin was teacher by profession but have the qualities of great ND Tiwari,and by knowing the facts he could not leave the ambedkar so he educated ambedkar on his own and helped him to marry in his own caste (the brahmins). so ambedkar has his blood as brahmin and shudra. so while writing the constitution he showed his brahmin excellence but by giving reservations to dalits he showed hi dalit part which is still shame for the society…and believe me its fact….
lethaljet said
To INDIAN,,
for your kind information there is one MAHAR Regiment in Army belongs to SC. So please don’t puke if you don’t have any kind of knowledge and the population you are saying is full of Aboriginals including OBC, SC and ST..
HA ha ha..
I think somebody dictated you wrongly..
cutie said
The brahmin community has been one of the dirty communities which has planned strategically to fool people in the name of god by generating the highest donations in the temple, doing business to fool and loot money in the name of puja, death, marriage, new home… For any occasion, there’s one puja. They charge very high prices and take away all the items after the puja. They have created prostitution in the name of devadasis. They suppress jobs and employment and welfare and equality are destroyed. they have destroyed the Indian medical system. They have killed Indian medical science like siddha vaidhyam and created ayurveda and carnatic music by destroying dravidian music. Even today they have the temples under their control. They say they don’t like untouchables, but they have always been sexually harassing low caste women.
apurv Rai said
I know many brahmin girls who left home with her muslim boyfriend
utkarsh said
nice man aisa kuch yeh andhe logo ko rah dikhate raho
Decision Maker said
Well his tone may be rough bt he had some sence.
pratically thinking at that time the sc girls must have been a nightmare for a well educated man, western thinking man.
moreover his personal interest of taking a revenge 4m the brahmins did also got fulfilled.
he was a smart man he hunted two birds of one arrow bt ate the fruit he critisied 4 his lifetime…………
Tamil dalit said
Its a completely nonsensical argument. Its not a rocket science to infer that Ambedkar spoke for inter caste marriage ( and also an All India exam for the position for preists) , and he followed what he had preached. If you want to destroy caste system ,its not just the Brahmins’ caste that should be destroyed, but the caste of all those people who want the caste system to survive. So intercaste marriages should be promoted amongst the entire caste ridden Hindu fold.
i j swamy said
Don`t destroy all castes . Keep Brahmins who are supreme .
Praful Rathod said
It is possible that can we give our Daughters (Rajput ) to marry Dalit to help destroy caste system
ijswamy said
We Brahmins are superior to all others.Ambedkar knew it very well . So to become great he married an uppermost caste Brahmin lady .
Lalita arora said
o o o..aaj ke science n so calld modrn world mein rehkar bhi w people r fightng on such issues…..whtz wrng wid u people..WAKE UPP….em a grl belngng 2 jatt familie nd em proud 2 be a jatti….
bt trust me guys em vry much amazd by Dr.B.R.Ambedkar……sm yearz ago , my views were d same….as urz….bt u must read hiz biography nd if u peopl have heart thn u wud surely going 2 realize whts d actual reasnn….behind d marriage nd his sacrifices…….
Sheetal Kamble said
I am totally disappoint and disagree with the all bakwas point you have slotted above. Actually, if you go into real history of Babasaheb Ambedkar; he was imposed to get marry with Savita Kabir; as Babasaheb was suffering from diabeties and BP. Savita is just behaving like a nurse for Babasaheb and nothing else. Babasaheb had not given any rights to her of his wife (Mai Ramabai Ambedkar)
Savita Kabir and his Superior boss Dr. Malvankar has imposed Babasaheb to marry with Savita. There is 13years gap between Babasaheb’s 1st marriage to 2nd Marriage.
Savita Kabir had killed Babasaheb Ambedkar. She was the KILLER of Babasaheb.
THIS IS THE TRUE STORY OF BRAHMINS….
i j swamy said
Ambedkar was not a baba nor a saheb .Ambedkar used his wife for service but never gave her anything . What a wretched husband ?So the latest news is that your baba /saheb was murdered by a woman.
Good fiction and bad hatred .
Swappy said
@Sheetal Kamble: Kuch bhi fekti hai.
ek kaam kar ye sab likhke ek book publish kar, bahot chappal milenge tujhe.
i can understand ur condition.
ananya said
You Are absolutely right Sheetal Kamble i do agre wit u guys plz stop dis argument v hv rgt to marry in any cast as v wnt because today’s life 86% of ppl mary to othr community and it is normal..
for sheetal u r right coz my grandma had visited AMBEDKAR’JI’s home several times n unka unke ghar ana jana hota tha so she is knwn abut wat khichdi had cooked inside the room but at one point savita ji was not his nurse but his 2nd wife n at some wrk he had gone out of town aftr he return his home at delhi..
his wife forced him to eat some sweet whch made by her..
he ate dat and slep aftr dat he slep for a long time n nvr awake.. 😦
Sniper said
Dude! get a life. Many ancient peple like bhaskaracharya , aryabhatta , pingala , susrutha , panini , charak , budhayana , Siddhacharya ,Bramahagupta , Chanakya , patanjali , varahaminhira…….and so many more were brahamins. They were the 1st people to bring modern science and mathematics to the world(for more info refer wikipedia) . without these people you would be typing on a keyboard because they brought out complicated arthematic processes which the europeans adopted. Now , tell me one acheivement of a Dalit which brought about a revolution in this world and which brought about a technological breakthrough . You people have done nothing productive to mankind and accuse brahamins who have given a lot to this world. From yoga(patanjali) to Surgery(Susrutha) to Trignometry,calculus(Aryabhatta)…… and more were done by brahamins. Many of susrutha’s techniqes are still used . You people have an inferiority complex and blame everything on brahamins . I am a secular person and respect every religion but accusations like this without proofs cannot be accepted. Sanskrit is the mother of all languages and it was perfected by a Brahamin(panini). Sanskrit is the only language which is error free. surf the net for more info on Brahamins . Even the book you refer for xxx tips (kamasutra) was written by a brahamin. Carnatic music , which is the toughest genre of music was invented by a brahamin. I find no difference between your attitude and Hitler’s , as both of you hate a particular community. Your community is no different from that of a nomad because you just adopt things done by others but you are not innovative at all. You people are low creatures who cannot decipher the knowledge of Vedas(it is too complex for you people) .
Even the westerners know the value of Indian culture (don’t get too excited , you people had no culture-all credit goes to Brahmins) . I am an Brahmin and I am proud to be. You have nothing to be proud of. ) you people survive in India just because of RESERVATIONS otherwise you would’t stand a chance against us .Still we excel in all professions. Your community got OWNED
lethaljet said
OH fuck you..all the shit is innovated by BRAHmins..ha ha..so why didn’t the world ever recognized their contribution.. VEDIc culture is the culture of bastards.. and the fucking music and astrology is an overrated nonsense..nobody believes it..and if all the innovations are done by fucking PANDITS then whats the need of NEWTON and EINSTEIN?? now don’t tell me that they too were brahmins..HOLY SHIT….go and get some life..you are the most outdated community …you just invented cast system thats it… you motherfuckers…….and I know your xxx Technics…and how did they invented… fucking morons and Pedophiles..VEDIC nomads…BRAHMANS were nomads not aboriginals…go and visit harrappa…you people always spread alien things…grow up..now everybody knows the history, geography and science..
raj said
excellent yaar.its 100% true. To be frank, now only the BC and other backward class like Naidus,Nadars,Thevars oppose Dalits and not Brahmins.All those are diverted by those culprits andd dalits without knowing those belive them. As naidus dont have their own sense and its borrowed from Brahmins they twist everything on brahmins. theey r the most venamous bastards. and after learnign everything from the brahmins they try to destroy the proof. Even karunanidhi is born to a Nellore priest. As they dont have courage and they r cowards they try to show false bravery on brahmis.if they r true braves let them oppose the other religions who r destroying the whole hinduism by converting them. Bull shit cowards they are…………
Andy Martin said
but babya ambedkar was married to mountbatten..
i j swamy said
Dear Raj , You are right . Non brahmins became rich by wrong means, annexed polical power and insult dalits . Dalits are conditioned to blame Brahmins .
jayalatha said
i think the brahmin women are starved of their basic rights. they are starved for sex in the name of religon and rituals. The other caste men especially dalits should take up the job of satisfying sex starved brahmin women and the brahmin women should be allowed to have sex with other caste men irrespective of their martial status. i hope many brahmin women will agree with me
i j swamy said
Lower caste women used to work as manual labourers in Brahmins` Agraharams . Romantic Brahmin Pundits used to f*** non Brahmin women .Children thus produced are called dalits . That is why some dalits inherited intelligence . That is why God blesses dalit women for co operating with pious Brahmins
Kirti said
All who Speak against Brahmins are “Namak Haram” (Betrayers) . B.R Ambedkar got his surname from Brahmin, got scholarship from High caste Maharaja and then stupids speak against Brahmins.
It was the high caste people like Ram Mohan Roy, Dayanand sarawati who stood for dalit rights long before Ambedkar was born…. But a corrupt mind cannot be taught anything.
Atul Kumar Mandal said
Why do you think beautiful women can only be found in Chitpawan Brahman community only ???
P santosh kumar said
just checked the photos after reading your comment ..and found her no way to be pretty. He just wanted to prove a point mebbe.
Dr vishal Shinde said
I am Dr vishal Shinde l was asked by 4 brahmin females for getting married to them but I refused because they do lot of casteism and keep dalits away from progress
dalitfreedom said
Babasaheb was trapped by the upper caste into marrying a Brahmin. It was a clear conspiracy. Look at the way the upper castes have swallowed up Prakash Ambedkar.
Dalit politicians have to be careful. This has been happening quite frequently the dwijas identify the promising Dalit leaders and set them up with Brahmin whores. Look at Ram Vilas paswan he has had a second marriage with a brahmin woman and he is almost politically finished now. Dalit politicians beware.
RKNAIDU said
aLL REST OF SUDRAS JOIN, OUR WORST ENEMY IS BRHMIN .
iNDIA REMAIN A THIRD WORLD FOR EVER UNLESS BRHMINS ARE REMOVED.
THEY WANTED INDIANS LISTEN TO THEIR STUPID BELEIVES, OPPRESSORS.
rKNAIDU,IAS
Mon said
I can’t believe such rubbish has been written and printed for the outside world to see. THIS is why India has not progressed, not because of Dalits & Brahmins, but because people like you are so busy inciting hatred between Indians. Unless Indian people can start thinking of themselves as Indian and not as segregated parties, we are never going to achieve our potential. When will we ever learn, that by fighting between ourselves we only invite outsiders to come and exploit us.
hh said
Lol 😀 now Chumber has a new name called RK Naidu.
The same guy keeps barking the same things in caps.
So now it Chumber @Anita Gupta @Ram Karisha Sharma @Dukhi India @RK Naidu
gagan said
i dont think Naidu deserves to be an IAS. he is such a low grade person. He is saying all this beacuse his father is a brahmin who disowned . let him write whatever he writes it proves that IASs too could be intellectualy bakrupt
nero said
well said bro.
Patil said
R K Naidu ur the most edit person in the world u became IAS bcoz u get reservation otherwise people like u are not deserved it
No GOD, But Truth said
I agree this Mr.Naidu. Its true Bhramins(Aryans) made this world worst by all means. Badly speaking they are filth. Only one aryanHitler killed many of his race is still here in INDIA
Pt. Ashwini Kumar Dubey said
Mr. Naidu why you are so frustated under inferiority complex. Cool Up. Dog Dalits cannot destroy Lion Brahmins.
Don’t see dreams in day. Remember people like you and other dalits are alive on brahmin’s mercy. Understood??????????
Tamil Deshastha said
I’m not going to play this game of one-upmanship.
I do not think one community (call it a caste, tribe, linguistic group or whatever you please) is inherently superior to another. It’s just unfortunate that we Indians do not realize that a human being should be judged by his own merits, not by the social group to which he belongs.
Please do not taunt the Brahmins. It’s bad enough that we now feel like second-class citizens in our own country. It’s almost impossible for us to get into the top universities in the country or be appointed to positions in the government. We have to face impossibly high cut-offs and quotas set by an administration that is supposed to ensure social equality.
I grant that my ancestors may have been guilty of discriminating against the so-called ‘lower castes’. Neither I, nor any right-thinking member of society, would support discrimination of any sort.
However, two wrongs do not a right make.
I respectfully ask you what your main agenda is – equality or vengeance? By limiting our opportunities to advance in society, you’re guilty of the very injustices of which you accuse my forefathers.
jai said
madarchod naidu, your all women are fucked by several times by different people, you are not an IAS. if u were you knew the truth.bhaag madarchod
sriniranga said
ok the same will happen to u also ,,,,bramins wipe out of india and some other religion will dominate ur next generation and never allow ur people to leave happy
ijswamy said
Everyone wants to marry Brahmin girls because only Brahmins are broadminded. Others like choudaries rajputs never marry a dalit .Give me a single example where a dalit man married any girl from a nonbrahmin upper caste.
No GOD, But Truth said
so many girls from non brahmins (upperrrr caste) married dalits..
and many brahmin girls married to Dalit boys and Many brahmin married women have contact will dalit boy and they love to do this..
It may be Hard to believe for a person like You.. what to do It all Fact.
bln89 said
no god but truth see the truth atrocities committed on dalit are not done by brahmins but obcs which rape your daughter and wifes daily in haryana and up. and still you are hung up on brahmins. we are the people still having knowledge. you idiots are still the progeny of britishers.
everythingisok said
@dalitfreedom
Do you also call Savitha Ambedkar as a Brahmin whore set up to destroy Ambedkar.
dalitfreedom said
Yes. She was set up the Maharstrian upper castes. Even the death of Babasaheb is suspect. That too just two months after the great conversion to Buddhism Babasaheb died. There is something fishy.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Admit it, brahmin women on the majority are quite hot. They are fair, pretty and elegant. Ambedkar is a man like anyone, obvious he liked her and got married into her. Your theories about marrying brahmin women so that us brahmins dont have women to marry at all is actually fantastic. In fact i would love that to happen so that brahmins dont exist at all. That would mean that dalits dont exist either when there are no brahmins.
I wonder whom you would have left to blame for all of your problems after all brahmins are dead. The Jews?
nero said
lol..well said brother.
dalitnation said
Good you recognize the end of Brahminism. It is the world of equality and justice that we are aiming at and this will only happen after the death of the Brahminical Social Order.
Ganesh said
Dont be idiotic dalitnation. You’ll have no purpose of life if brahmins are finished. No caste votes; nobody to blame; life will be boring for majority ofpeople in TN. And, who will marry the dalit girls if you all marry brahmin girls?? Anyway they’re liberated and free so they can live with anyone. hahahah. Stop the nonsense and get to do some constructive work for yourself, your family and the nation instead of spreading unfounded hatred.
No GOD, But Truth said
yeah it should be done.. (This social order must be destroyed) we should put an end-card to this 3000 years Manu Barbarism
you forget this kid Filthy. Ganesh.
Stupid boy asking silly questions
bln89 said
you idiot this 3000 year problem will be solved when all you mother fucker dalits are killed and your women raped. hhahahahaha
Dilip Muralidaran said
“Death of the Brahmin Social Order”. You are smoking too much ganja dude. Please stop that. The Brahmin Culture has survived 6000+ years now since 3000 B.C.E.
The concept of dalit or dalit word or terminology came up not later than 50 or 100 years back. You must be really retarded to kill the brahmin social order. What are you going to do about the brahmins in the US and UK and elswhere? How are you gonna trace and kill them? Please justify.
Mangesh Dahiwale said
Lots of Dalit leaders married to brahmin women. Why this stupid fascination for upper caste women.
Udit Raj – Married to Seema Raj – Punjabi Khatri High caste
Ram Vilas Paswan – Married to Reena Sharma – Punjabi Brahmin
Once they come to power they run after Brahmin girls. Dalits should becomeaware of these people. Be careful.
Even the non-dalit V.T.Rajashekar married a brahmin woman. His hatred from brahmin intensified when his in-laws ill-treated him. Atleast VTR is better because he understood brahmin people because he knew from his wife who was brahmin. But udit raj and paswan are completely swallowed up by brahmins.
Peppi Mint said
Punjabi kudis are the sexiest girls in India. Look guys all these politicians from ambedkar to this paswan all wants good sexy girls and they marry. When it comes to sex these people think from their dicks.
systemfaulty said
listen u peppi mint arse do not just blabber n e thing on d internet if u dont knw a shit bout dis understand
Ramesh said
A hundred years ago, anti-social elements started a campaign against the tamil brahmins in TN. They started spreading this rumour that brahmins have majority of govt jobs, college seats etc. So they started the communal reservation system. Hundred years later, there is an illegal system of majority reservations. The brahmins have been wiped out in education, jobs etc. Most have left TN and will never return. Yet the same anti-social elements continue to say that 95% of TN population (enjoying majority reservtions) are weak, backward, marginalised and oppressed!
Oppressed from what? from whom? 99% seats and marginalised? These people make Goebbles happy
sunny bono said
hey dalit,
have you ever given a thought to the fact that you guys make india the only country where people “aspire” to be BC/MBC/SC/ST? when the world is moving ahead, you guys want to regress! you guys want everything for free.
can’t you guys score just 60% to avail govt. scholarships? you cry / crib / whine / whinge for anything and everything. next you will expect pass mark to be lowered from 40%. infact i wouldn’t be surprised if you demand that its enough if you just sit for exams and you should be awarded degrees. and also be given job reservations on top of that.
now you want to marry brahmin women…………..c’mon DUDe, wake up. brahmin women don’t flip for monkeys like you.
cutie said
When anywhere we heard about any crime then some anti hindu says it’s did by lower caste people..then let me tell you the truth..The 2012 Delhi gang rape case involved a rape and fatal assault that occurred on 16 December 2012 in Munirka, a neighbourhood in South Delhi, when a 23-year-old female physiotherapy intern[2] was beaten and gang raped in a private bus in which she was travelling with a male friend. Criminal name are..Ram Singh,Pawan Gupta,Vinay Sharma,Mukesh Singh,Akshay Thakur……And how can you forgot about your previous history RAVAN, DURYODHAN,KANS…
cutie said
Always remember one thing in ur life when u abuse lower caste by saying dalit n chamaar then u abusing yourself n ur own religion..bcoz if u accepted that hindu religion is one n these religion has four community like:brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shudra.shudra means pure (pure from soul n heart)..then let me remind u fourth community also come under hindu religion they are also hindu to whom u abuse as dalit n chamaar…so you are not abusing them but abusing yourself n your own religion too..
OMkar said
Its amazing that work of great people is interpreted to such a cheap level.. Wow…whoever wrote the first scrap…boss..people like you mae the world such a horrific place to live. You brought out a Murderer within Babasaheb Ambedkar…with what good thinking and a thinking of making an equal society he worked on the constitutions and brought up reservations only for the first 20 yrs of Free India..so that the society comes to a balance after a torrid time. But no people like u want it to go on foreveer….
Dude…do u like a girl?? For that girl “Mam, he finds a silent killer in Babasaheb, be aware of his findings..he might find something out of you too”
Sachin Salave said
I need to share an interesting information with all of you participating in this discussion.
During the General Election in Bhandara, Babasaheb had gone to preside over a meeting. One activist confronted Babasaheb and angrily asked him that why did he marry a brahmin woman. Babasaheb calmly asked him to meet him after the meeting. After the meeting Babasaheb said to him,” Go and give this messsage to my followers that they should not do this mistake.(i.e of marrying a Brahmin woman)”
Circumstances that lead to his marriage must be understood before coming to any hasty conclusions.
Firstly, in the mahar caste and in the untouchables in general, there was no education at all in those times. And to find a nurse or a doctor to take care of him throughout the day was impossible. So he had to marry. But it was impossible to find a doctor woman among our people. And Babasaheb had a plethora of ailments like bloodpressure, diabetes, bodypain etc. There was no one to take care of him after Maisaheb’s death. Babasaheb did not marry many years after Maisahebs death. He chose to remain single. But untimely hours of eating and constant pressure of his social activities made him excessively ill. He was almost blind in his later years. So his doctor Mr.Malwankar introduced Miss Savita kabir to him and she used to take care of him. Eventually they married. But Dr.Ambedkar married a Brahmin doctor so that he could be healthy and contribute more of his energy for the social movement.
But his second wife did not take care of him at all. Dr. Krishnamurthy wrote a letter to Dr.Ambedkar saying that he was being tortured by his wife and she did not allow him to see Dr.Ambedkar. He wrote that as Dr.Ambedkar was doing a great service to the downtrodden people of India, he wanted to treat him and cure him and restore his health. But His wife prevented all this from happening.
Even Dr.Bastein, a woman, was not allowed to see Dr.Ambedkar. Dr.Bastein wanted to check his health and prescribe some medicines for him. But she was not at all allowed to see the doctor.
After Babasaheb’s death, his followers demanded a post-mortem. The post-mortem was done by the Nehru Govt. But the report was not made public.Still it has not been made public. This clearly proves that some thing was wrong.
Just hours after the death of Dr.Ambedkar, his wife demanded that she should be made the National President of Scheduled Castes Federation and The Buddhist Society of India and all this should be done before Dr.Ambedkars dead body was cremated.
All this is documented.
More afterwards……….
John said
Comparing a human to Buddha. Shows how stupid you really are.
No GOD, But Truth said
idiot .. Buddha is also a human. You sick boy . Can you realize how stupid you are….. at least know
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHY did not DR.Ambedkar married a mahar/non-mahar sc lady ? Why did DR. Ambedkar married to a Brahmin lady when he had already written that the brahminism & capitalism are two enemies of the aboroginal Indians ! DR.Ambedkar delivered speeches in the Round Table Conferences in London that untouchables are a separate element in Indian society and he won by the communal award declared on 17th Aug.1932 but he lost by signing Gandhi-Ambedkar pact(Pune Pact).In March 1929,he wrote an editorial of his Bahishkrit Bharat weekly that untouchables must convert to Islam & there is no need to convert to Arya Samaj or Budhaism ! Before 53 days of his pre-nirvan, he embraced Budhaism.! In 1945 AD,he wrote a book`What congress & Gandhi have done to the untochables?` & in 1947 he took oath as minister in Nehru cabinet ! In 1945 he wrote a chapter`Are not untouchables a separate elements ?`in his master piece book `What congress &—-?` Next year he wrote a book to establish that untouchables are ex-Kashatary.!DR .Ambedkar denounced his pact with Mr.Gandhi By writting`Poona Pact-A mean deal` & resigned from the Nehru brahmin`s cabinet ! He bought law books to get divorce with his brahmin wife but he was finished by a conciperacy.Are untouchables should follow the Dr. Ambedkar`s path or not ?
sharma said
why reservations based on caste? please dont give reservations to dalits
No GOD, But Truth said
asshole then allow as to become a priest in all temples in india at least this…
i j swamy said
You dalits want to become ministers MPs MLAs etc . Shameless reservation mongers are not willing to take up ill paid priest jobs .
shivu said
You have kept your title as No GOD, But Truth. Why you want priest, temples etc.. or change ur title…
cutie said
Right…God doesn’t need Brahmin priest, god isn’t so narrow minded. god accept everyone. actually Brahmin priest needs god to make money.
sharma said
it is not the brahmins who oppressed dalits,there were only four castes in the vedas brahmin,vyshya,kshatriya.sudra.the sudras created dalits.
utkarsh said
HELLO BROTHERS YOU ALL ARE MISGUIDED BY THE WRONG EDITION OF SCRIPTURES .MANU SMRITI IS A GREAT BOOK .IT IS A GUNPUJAK BOOK .NOT THE KARMA PUJAK ONE.
THE FFOUR VARNAS HAVE EQUAL VALUES AS SAID IN GEETA.AS THEIR WORK IS DIFFERENT.AND IF YOU WHY WE ARE NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE FOR THIS AND THAT OF YOUR RUBBISH DEMANDS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
IN A BUS THERE IS A DRIVER ,A CONDUCTOR ,A REPAIRMAN, AND A ANNOUNCER. WHICH ONE IS SMALL ACCORDING TO YOU.
THAN WHY ARE YOU ALL FIGHTING FOR THIS KIND OF RUBBISH THING.
IDIAN CULTURE SAY THAT WE ALL ARE DIVINE AND GOD LIVES IN US .
SO HOW CAN BE ANY ONE SMALL OR BIG ACORDING TO BIRTH AND IF THERE IS ANY MISUNDERSTANDING THAN WE ALL HAVE TO COMBINE AND HAVE THE SOLUTION BUT NOT OPPOSING THIS GREAT CULTURE.
JAI HIND
PLEASE CONTACT ME FOR ANY DOUBT ABOUT INDIAN CULTURE AT utkarsh.patel143@gmail.com
mayuresh churi said
true brother but sadly we will be termed as sanghi by this people
vinay deshpande said
brother u hav given the exampl of bus and its staff who control it.as per geeta and manusmruti the announcerr can not allowed the job of driver or conductor and the driver would be driver by birth not lidns merrits and capabilities. Hinduism is a ilding of four floors which has no ladder to go up or down.Brother read and acknowledge the facts in true sence so that you can realize it.Bal Gangadhar Tilak has openly declared that I would follow the untouchability in my personal life as per chaturvarna system and he opposed the campain to rule out untochbility in1910.
Read the history pages with both eyes without prejudice minded.
Apka mangal ho
VINAY DESHPANDE
cutie said
Whenever someone’s ask you about your caste then your answer should be to them is:
I am a Brahmin in knowledge
I am kshatriya in valor
I am vaishya in business
I m shudra in service
In the end I am just sanatam dharmi hindu and nothing else..Then say you proud to be a hindu..
indian said
Ambedkar married a brahmin lady, Paswan married a barhmin lady even though his first wife alive. Once a dalit come out from his circumstance then he act as brahmin. He never interested to marry from his cast. The real enemey of Dalit is Dalit not upper cast.
cutie said
That’s your poor thinking…in our family there are four community people living together even sikh,christian n muslim too..we live like a true indian okh…we dont have any ego n just believe in true human being..
vijay said
after reaching height a man tries to neglect his own poor family is truth so did he. how may dalits like to marry their own poors after beecoming IAS and allied , even mayawati have cheated dalits by amassing wealth by fefooling dalits on slogan on tilak, taraju, talwar inko maro jute char.
no one can befool people for all times. youths have known all drama of reservation, casteism of devide and rule policy followed by leaders of all parties which have destroyed hindus and now they want to devide muslims on caste lines but they are not going to budge and are trying to get reservation on religion base and time will come there may be amendment in costitution to appease them like reservation policy is nothing but devide and rule which babasaheb rightly recommended for 10 years only and he rightly converted to budhidsm as he was not dalit after attaining intellect of highest level not thro reservations and concessions but thro his mind only. people are misusing dalits to suppliment their own agenda not for poorest of poor dalits trying to poss their leaders.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Mr. Sharma opposed caste base reservation for dalits/scs.Why ? The entire Indian society is varna/caste base. Who bloody fool created this non-sense varna system ? Mr.Sharma`s all fundamental rights may be snatched who is against the costitutional rights of scs. All devtas of sharmas are rapist,racist and fascist.The creater of hindu/vedic creations,Brahma tried his best to rape his daughter but the great Shiva chopped off his head ! Second devta Vishnu raped Varinda w/o Jalandhar ref. The Padam Puran/ Tulsi Vivah movie.Indra was also rapest.Rama killed pious Shambuk st. doing bhakati being shudra.All sharmas are active to rebuilt Ram mandir in Ayodya.Pl read uttara khand chapter of valmiki ramayna.He was neither an ideal king/husband ! What was Sita`s fault for her banishment.?Bhagwan Valmiki gave her shelter.but mentle hindus say Valmiki as dacoit.Reservation is a constitutional right.All sharmas should fight to annihiliate caste/varna system by doing inter-caste/inter-varna marriages otherwise these systems will annihilate their status in modern global society. Choice is theirs !
utkarsh said
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooh greatest fool!
havent you once think whom you are opposing ………………………..
you dont know your fifth grand father name(5 generaion back).
and due to his only great character he is remind 7000 years and more.
and please contact me if you to question ram .
he is avtar not a foolish like you
your baba did second marraige and he has only opposed polygamy.
but ram illustrated a good example of monogamy .
tell your baba to learn something form ram .
dont do this mistake again with out being adult to question
No GOD, But Truth said
superb man well said to this Assole.Sharma…
Bono said
Chumber you are a low grade moron. You certainly need reservation.
No GOD, But Truth said
Bono ass-ole If Chumber need resevation means its ok. But why you assole crying to lift the reservation. because you assole unable to competent with other caste. And Assole filth like You should remember that reservation not only favors Dalit it also favors BC/MBC it comprises of more than thousand castes.
mayuresh churi said
i m obc and i m against casteism..i m kshatriya
Bikash said
religion is meant to unite people. Dalit or the downtrodden need to come to the main stream.
Whatever has been done in past by Babasaheb is a herculean task indeed.
It is his endeavor that has made people to think and talk like every other human beings in this free world.
But this thinking and talking like every other people in this world has made people enemy of each other which any real patriot will not like.
Dalit says: Give me as my forefathers were denied
Dont give them because their fathers were given
Non Dalit Says:Do not make partialities
Dalit: Partiality had already been done with us .
NonDalit: Forget past move on
dalit: How can we when this gives us the oppertunity
Nondalit: What have we done wrong
politician: Non Dalits are bound to suffer as they are idiots
Non Dalit: Why are we idiots?
Politician: You people think of yourselves only, have you ever thought about your fellow Non dalits ? Whenever there is any anti reservation rally or protest you sit in front of TV watching and saying oh country is going down, merits are wasted.
When antireservation protestors need fund non of you give it.
Non dalit: Hey we have BJP our allied party atleast it has a soft corner for we upper outcasts.
Politician: Oh do you think BJP to be your allie? Ha HA HA HA Ha
When antiquota rally by youth for equality (lead medical students of India)was going on which party told anything in support of you ? NONE
Non Dalit:Why
Politician: It is because they too want Dalits vote
Dalit: What BJP wants us , but how can that fascist party help us?
Politician(in whisper): It is because dalits have no brain. They are a bunch of sheeps in need of a shepherd.
Dalit: Why are you talking like this?
Politician: Sorry Sorry, What I was telling that you people have a lot of fellow feeling and when any one of you gets the message he pesuades his whole village so we get votes. And (in whispers) money, women,liquor , give them anything they will come but these Non Dalits they will always analyse, idiots .It is very difficult to bias these Non Dalits and very easy to persuade Dalits.
Dalit (thinking): Nobody has told us these things . Is this writer Bikash who certainly is a Non Dalit trying to make faction in us or is he trying to tell that there is nothing in hatred.
Respect can not be gained by hatred it can only be gotten through love and peace.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear Bono ! You are really hIgh grade moron ! Please reply my views.Otherwise you should not enter in this debate/dialogue..You called the dalits idiots in reply to my views in this website.Please do not loose temper.Please remember the Newton`s third law of gravity .Thanx.
bhattathiri said
In the storm of life we struggle through myriads of stimuli of pressure, stress, and muti-problems that seek for a solution and answer. We are so suppressed by the routine of this every life style that most of us seem helpless. However, if we look closely to ancient techniques we shall discover the magnificent way to understand and realize the ones around us and mostly ourselves. If only we could stop for a moment and allow this to happen. May all beings be happy (Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu)
ACTIVIST said
@ EVERYONE …
all your discussion is bull’s shit!
I really dont care what brahmins think of dalits or what dalits think of brahmins.
I really dont care who Babasaheb Ambedkar got married to, why he got married and what was the reason behind his death.
Instead of fighting between who is who? and who should get married to who? why cant u people think of leaving this issues aside, start getting ur younger generation educated and work unitedly in development of India?
Frankly speaking, dalits have a tendency to think at a very cheap level and perhaps that is sustaining their development. Think big and your future will certainly be bigger than u could have ever expected.
lohit said
babasaheb fell into prey of chitpawan girl…………chitpawan r cunning ppl who give off their sexy hot girls to their enemies to kill them…..it is true…………….
Jagannaath Iragavaram said
Fell headlong to a cunning girl to draft a constitution ? Our constitution needs to be written afresh by people who don`t fall for dames
lohit said
or else dalits in maharastra shld marry chitpawan girls & take them out of varna………they have reservations they can easily get into iits than chitpawan brahmans………they have to fuck chitpawan chicks & to destroy the braminism ………….
Anand Hosmani said
Very rightly said Lohith. Dalits and OBC’s should marry hot chitpawan girls and take them out of Varna then only fully equality can be bought in Hinduism. OBC’s and SC’s graduates from IIT’s and IIM’s should aim at chitpawan girls.
jaya said
i cant understand why only graduates from OBCs and SCs should try for chitpawan girls… let even uneducated SC,ST and OBCs try and get these hot and sexy chitpawan girls into their beds. One neednot marry them..just enjoy them and let them realise the enjoyment in having non brahmin males. that will bring them out of their varna..
jaya said
not only ambedkar but many dalit policiticians married brahmin girls.some of the policiticians have brahmin whores.it is not just coincidance that they do so. they r doing with a purpose.when a dalit man gets brahmin girl into bed her jatyahankara (pride of caste) will get a beating. when their bodies contact and dalit man penetrates brahmin woman the shackles of brahminism r broken . that is why it is important to do this act again and again.
chandrika said
lohit i am a hot chitpawan girl and your opinion is very interesting to me. interestingly i lost my virginity to a dalit man, a classmate.he told me that he wanted to take me out of varna and i agreed and we felt the best way was that he could fuck me.after he broke my virginity there was a debate and most dalit men agreed that this was the best way to brake the shackles of brahminism. Some brahmin women agreed too.So basically i think we brahmin women like your idea of taking us out of 0ur varna by f**king us. we are ready for it and it is upto u dalit men to take advantage and make us your bedpartners and take us 9ut of brahmin varna
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
For dirty b…..s like you caste is no bar – cut across all castes and certainly u would enjoy any …k.
Cool said
Shame on you Lohit. Just shows how cheap-skate your thinking is. How would you feel if your sis is exploited for your caste. If you have a prob with something, why cannot you fight man to man. Why do you horrible men target women.
katy said
ambedkar braoght british constitution in india.. if it was a hindu brahmin then may be we have hindu country full of temples and kings and agriculture.
these american people are brainwashing children with iphone and video games..
they already destoroyued hinduism by creating the term “dalit” which one cannot find in hinduism..
and they will destroyed dalit people too.. i guess then people will unite and do work according to their dharma.
chetan said
We need few brahmins in India as it would add to its cultural diversty.
C. L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMINS RAPED KSHATRIYA WOMEN 21 GENERATIONS !!!!!
RESPECTED VIEWERS,
Mr. Cool ( 7th instant ) wrote in response of Mr. Lohit ( 5th May ), ” Why do you horrible men target women .” The Hindu chauvinists writers of this blog never condemned theirs rapist , racist and fascist Gods Why ? They worship the rapists and also claim to be feminist.The rapist ( Pl read Padam Puran.movie TULSI-VIVAH,and distt,Jalandar gazeteer of Pb.govt.)Vishnu `s incarnation Hindu- bhagwan Parshuram ( Brahmin by birth ) killed his mother Renuka as his father rishi Jamdagni ordered him .He neither requested his father for his mother`s life nor he knew the fault .He may refuse to murder his sweet mother.Such were the cruel and senseless the Hindu-bhagwan and his father towards theirs mother and wife respectively .Can our fathers dictate us to do like this ? Can we obey our fathers like Parshuram ?
Secondly,some kshatriyas murdered rishi Jamdagni.Parshuram took vow to finish the kshatriys men on earth.He finished the all kshatriyas men on the earth .THE Hindu-bhagwan made widows the all kshatriya women . Then Hindu-bhagwan (brahmin ) ordered the brahmin young men to made pregnent all kshatriya widows on the earth.Then he ordered to finish the all new born male babies.The kshatriya girls were raped .Theirs male children were finished .This process was repeated 21 times .This is a rare example .There is no second example like this in the world history and mythology.
That is why Dr.Ambedkar wrote “The Riddles of Hinduism” in English published by the Maharashtra state govt.Please read the Vedas,Puranas ,Mahabharta ,Ramayna ,simirities to know the rapist,racist and fascist gods.Beware of them.Your coming generation will not recognize them as ideals .Thanks.
khsatriya said
asshole motherfucker, wer u present at that time to witness all that?. u hopeless filthy creature are full of hatred.
vinay deshpande said
u r right. all hindu puran and my mythology have corrupted the brain of 95% OBC they should be awaken for new era of science and free culture to think.
vinay deshpande
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY BRAHMINS HATE THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs./Miss Katy wrote ( May 9,2008 @ 9.44 pm ) as below :-
“ambedkar braoght british constitution in india.. if it was a hindu brahmin then may be we have hindu country full of temples and kings and agriculture.
these american people are brainwashing children with iphone and video games..”
What is wrong in this constitution ? The present judiciary,army,education,railway,communication and democracy systems are the product of britishers.The brahmin manuwadi system is filthy system in which the rapist ,racist and fascist are worshiped as Gods .Are temples a source of production ? Where was the brahmin architect of the constitution ? Why brahmins love the kings and hate democracy ?
The brahmins mostly use iphones and video games and blame the Americans .Katy think about rapist,racist and fascist so called Gods.
hh said
Chumber,
Please do not worry abt Parashurama stories.
All these are very old stories. And we don’t know if they free from exagerration.
In what way is this related to the current plight of the dalits?
C,L.CHUMBER said
BEWARE OF RACIST & FASCIST BRAHMIN PARSHU RAM INCARNATION OF
RAPIST VISHNU WHO RAPED PIOUS ADI-MATA VRINDA @ TULSI !!!!!
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ,
Your good self wrote ( June 1,2008 @ 2.17 ) as under :-
” Chumber,Please do not worry abt Parashurama stories
All these are very old stories. And we don’t know if they free from exagerration.In what way is this related to the current plight of the dalits? ”
Dear Lavnya ji ! If a community at present worship Parshu Ram as their God who is an incarnation of a rapist Vishnu , the cultured people will afraid t of the followers of rapists , racists and fascists whether they are alive or not .How are you saying that these are OLD STORIES ? These Gods and their followers are/were deadly anti dalits.These Gods killed the DALIT-GODS.Their followers are anti-dalits .They struggle for RAM-RAJYA where pious saint Shambuka was killed and pious Sita mata was banished by RAMA.
The writer of ramayna of Adi-Bhagwan VALMIKI is branded as dacoit .
Subodh said
I think you need to read history again. I feel very sorry for your thoughts & assumptions.
Gay Boy said
Shambuka was a paedophile and hence rama killed him.
pavan said
stupid articles stupid authors please write some useful articles why you people are trying to divide society.This is 21st century still u people mad about your castes.Please dont spoit indian society.
h said
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
Nobody needs to brand anybody.
Branding and consumerism are non-asian concepts that creeped into religion.
C,L.CHUMBER said
STUPID PAVAN ,STUPID HIS PARENTS WHO DID NOT TRAINED
HIM HOW TO BEHAVE / TALK IN SOCIETY !!!!!
Dear viewers ,
Your good selves had watched that the anti-dalit persons do not behave respectfully to dalits / rational people .I have recorded some persons in this blog.Now Mr.Pavan wrote (June 4, 2008 @ 5:58 am )as below: :-
” stupid articles stupid authors please write some useful articles why you people are trying to divide society.This is 21st century still u people mad about your castes.Please dont spoit indian society.”
If these articles and writers are stupids ,then he/she should contribute as an intellectual so that the viewers may judge his/her brain.The society is already divided in four varnas and thousands castes .What is Pavan doing to unite this society ? Mr.Pavan is not livimg in 21st centuary where a national political party called BJP is struugling hard to rebuilt a RAMA temple on the remains of the Babari mosque at Ayodya.Rama killed an innocent shudra saint Shambukand banished his wife Sita.Pavan called the writers of this blog stupids.I hope he will comment on Rama`s both actions as stupidity or clemency ! We are creating a dialogue spirit in India.
C,L.CHUMBER said
ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI,ADI-GURUS RAVIDAAS,KABIR WERE NOT BRAHMINS ! BRAHMINS`GODS DOME RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS SO CALLED GODS !
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya Ji
Your good self wrote ( June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am)as below :-
” Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.Nobody needs to brand anybody.Branding and consumerism are non-asian concepts that creeped into religion.”
Once I Interviewed Dr.(Mrs.) Manjula SahdevPh.D.,Head & Chairperson
of Bhagwan Valmiki Chair ,Punjabi University,Patiala for my magazine.This was a very detailed and open interview in which she concluded as below :-
( 1 ) Bhagwan Valmiki was not a dacoit.in the pre muslim period.
( 2 ) Every Sanskrit book was started with paying obeisance to Bhagwan Valmiki .
( 3 ) When the Muslims became the rulers of some parts of India in the 8th century,the Brahmin priest / intellectual class needed a warrior hero to project in the Hindu masses to make theirs warrior bent of mind .
(4) The Brahmin priest class found Rama of Ayodya as a warrior hero.
( 5 ) The Brahmins felt uneasiness on Valmiki being all round hero in his Ramayna as compared to Rama.
( 6 ) Then Brahmins plotted to defame Valmiki as dacoit as well as the follower of Rama to eliminate Valmiki as a feminist and humanistic personality from the minds of Indian masses !
During the same period ( June 1999),I wrote an article regarding Bhai Gurdaas`literature in which he wrote Valmiki as dacoit and wrote also filthy remarks regarding women of Chuhra/valmiki community.Due to my research article circulated in the Valmiki community widely , the Parkash Singh Badal`s govt. had to ban the book of Bhai Gurdaas contemporary and close relative of Guru Arjan Dev ji
Dear Happy Hindu ! there is not a provision in the Brahmin/Hindu scriptures to convert a Bhil to a Brahmin. You Hindu people invented this theory to glorify brahminism and loose the confidence of aboriginals of India.The Brahmin is not a degree of excellence .You Hindu people wrote Adi-Guru Namdev also as DACOIT .( Please read a book on Adi-Guru Namdev published by the Punjab Language Department.,Patiala ).You Hindu people claim that Adi-Guru Kabir was born to a widow brahmin lady.The medical science do not know how to produce a child from an unmarried or widow lady .The lady can not be conception without the intercourse with opposite sex .How did a brahmin widow lady was pregnent.? Was that brahmin lady had ILLEGITIMATE relation with a male ? What was the name ,parentage and address of that brahmin lady ? The brahmin males have no respect for their brahmin ladies.If they have , they must had not written imaginary stories.They boast that the Vedas have science,Have/had the brahmins science in Vedas to born a Kabir like rational humanist from the womb of their widow brahmin lady without an intercourse with opposite sex ?
Once the brahmins`lovely king Akbar asked his intellectuals to translate the Mahabharat from Sanskrit to Persian.One of his intellectuals said that there were maximum illigitimate persons in the Mahabharat..
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ! you Hindu people also wrote and still write that Adi-Guru Ravidaas was a brahmin in his previous birth..
Adi-Bhagwan Valmiki was neither Brahmin nor dacoit.Adi-Guru Namdev was also not dacoit.Adi-Gurus Ravidaas & Kabir were not brahmins in theirs present or previous births..Thanks.
Karthikeyan said
Oh goodness, this makes my head twirl! Ok accepted, Valmiki was not a dacoit. Ratnakar was surely a dacoit 🙂
Or more precisely, a hunter, who later turned to a dacoit for meeting his family obligations.
He was enlightened by Deva Rishi Narad. Then the enlightened Ratnakar sat meditating Rama nama. His concentration was so intense that he was unaware of ants building anthill on him! Then he later came out of the ant hill and became a Rishi. Ant hill is called ‘Valmikam’ in Sanskrit. So ‘Valmiki’ means ‘the one who came from ant hill’. All other things mentioned in contradiction with this comment are excellent work of fiction. Chumber Ji, I’m tired laughing.
Martian said
this great intellectual author is only trying to justify the lust of ambedkar for good looking women – how on earth did he become a great man???
bharat said
I think the people from the lower castes and the dalits are very much busy in mud throwing rather than thinking about the upliftment which Ambedkar thought.On the other hand brahmins continued to focus on their progress rather than retailiting to these bull shit things from other catses and thats why they hold all the top positions.
Brahmins are inteligent people and will rule the world one day and these duffers will keep on thrwoing mud and fight for the credit.Useless…
C.L.CHUMBER said
VISHNU NOT AMBAWDEKAR HAD LUST FOR WOMEN !!!!!
Dear Martin,
I am now on tour of Mahableshwar(Maharashtra).Your good self wrote (June 18, 2008 @ 3:57 am) “this great intellectual author is only trying to justify the lust of ambedkar for good looking women – how on earth did he become a great man???”
Dr.Ambawdekar had no lust for women.He married a brahmin lady .But your Vishnu raped Varinda and she cursed Vishnu.His brother Inder also raped Ahillya.Karishna deserted his wife and loved so many gopies incl.Radha !!!!!
Girish said
But aren’t Vishnu, Indra, Ram, Krishna etc supposed to be Kshatriyas per Veda and Purana? Only violent and who think they are macho people kidnap and rape. Intellectuals rarely do.
The question is if Brahmins are superior then why did they create Kshtriya heros? Why Brahmins served kings for eons? Why all puranic stories start with …once upon a time there was poor Brahmin…”.
Some thing is not making sense …but then I think I am in company with fools here who are brain dead.
Jagannaath Iragavaram said
Ambedkar married a Brahmin lady to get popularity .
sara said
this is the most absurd site i have ever seen, what the hell is this aishwarya rai , that bitch doesnt care about caste system, she is a bunt/shetty and happily lives in a capitalist world. let her be on own to fight her emancipation, secondly brahmin women were no where like Dalits…. Dalit men who marry brahmin women out of bringing a change in caste can someone tell me what happens to Dalit girls, who would they marry? are these brahmin wives of dalit men ready to allow a two way of family exchange? grow up you cant be dalit voice…….fuuuuuu
Karthikeyan said
Ok Chumber Ji, haven’t you got anything else to say except abusing Gods? I expected that you would give meaningful counter argument to Bharat. But aren’t you just proving what he said? So sad..
James said
All dalit youths should marry Upper cast girls. And since upper cast are our supporter(hehehe) they shouls accept us their relatives.
dwijill said
Its time that Brahmins start throwing money around and have lower caste women as mistresses. Then they can create a new class of Dalits which will be proud of the Brahmin lineage and they will do the same. This will slowly engulf the hatred British created in Dalit minds against dalits. Brahmin girls and girls from Brahmin father should be encouraged to have higher caste brides. And Brahmin boys are fair , intelligent and smart. This will slowly take away reservations too as everybody will be proud, intelligent and self-confident not people who are scared , dull and who piss in their own pants at slightest of a difficulty.
i love dalit pussies said
VERY FUNNY WEB SITE. YOU ALSO MUST GIVE DETAIL AS TO HOW SAKPAL (AMBEDKAR IS A HIGH CASTE NAME) USED TO SUCK HIS OWN COCK BY DOING YOGA . HE USED TO PARTICIPATE IN NEGROES ORGY IN NEW YORK. YOU ARE DOING GREAT JOB KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
C,L.CHUMBER said
I NEITHER ABUSE NOR WORSHIP RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS !!!!!
Dear Karthikeyan ji,
You should be ashamed of defending the rapists,racists and fascists.You are blaming that I am abusing the Gods.Which Gods ? The rapists,racists and fascists are inhuman beings ! The followers of those must be put behind bars because our esteemed constitution do not permit it.I met some brahmins who felt sorry for it.A rational brahmin offered me to have relationship to annihilate the varna /caste system.I searched for ” Rapists,racists and fascists Gods” on Yahoo.You will be astonished to know that due to the daring spirit of the ADMINISTRATORS OF” DALITNATION .WORDPRESS” the YAHOO have also recorded our e-dialogue…Your good self and many others deserve thanks
kureela said
dalits and muslims should fuck hindu toilet papers who are propagating hinduism in India.Hindus are born barbaric and let them die or go to hell.Dalits and muslims should join together to fight hinduism not in India but at abroad also.All hindus and their hindu led government are born barbaric so they should ask for seprate country away from barbaric hindus.Brahmins and hindus are same .Dalits and muslims eats beef thats why brahmins means hindus girls want dalit cock beacuse grass eater hindus can not satiefied their women .from Aswaria Rai to paswan ,udit raj to VT rajshekhar got married to hindus means brahmins.
margappa said
Kureela I am a Dalit and we eat Pork. Muslims killed 8 of my family members in 1994. Now you ask me to join hands with these scumbags.
C,L.CHUMBER said
MR. M.K.NARAYNAN NATIONAL DEFENCE ADVISER OF INDIA OR POLITICAL DISASTER MANAGEMENT ADVISER ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viewers ,
The United News of India news agency released a news from Sri Nagar ( J & K ) and New Delhi on 6th July 208 that Mr. M.K. Naraynan , national
defence adviser threatened Prof.Bhim Singh of the Panthers Party to cast vote for
Congress govt. in confidence motion .Mr.Narayanan threatened to finish physically if his party did not casted votes for govt.This shows the bent of mind of a person who is responsible for our safety.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WOMEN ARE OUR MOTHERS,SISTERS,WIVES AND DAUGHTERS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
WE DO NOT APPRECIATE THE VIEWS OF DWIJJILL(June 30, 2008 @ 7:18 am )
AND KUREELA (July 9, 2008 @ 6:51 pm ) .DWIJJILL CLAIMED,”Its time that Brahmins start throwing money around and have lower caste women as mistresses.And Brahmin boys are fair , intelligent and smart.” Are Brahmin girls not fair,intelligent and smart ? Then the men of rich countries will purchase the Brahmin girls by paying amount in sterling pounds and dollars.
Kureela said ,”Dalits and Muslims eats beef thats why Brahmins means Hindus girls want Dalit cock because grass eater Hindus can not satisfied their women .from Aswaria Rai to Paswan ,Udit Raj to VT Rajshekhar got married to Hindus means Brahmins.” Mrs.Paswan is not Brahmin .Aswaria Rai is neither male nor Brahmin girl ! Women are not sex doles .They prefer sincerity than sex . Women are our mothers , sisters ,wives and daughters .Adi-bhagwan Valmiki wrote in his ramayna ,” The mother land and mother are superior than the heaven !” But king Ram humiliated his wife Sita by banishing him which ended in her suicide ! Ram also suicided ! Please protect the dignity of women and Shudras .
Milind said
Caste is a reality in India.But that does not mean all the Upper caste/brahmins are castist. Yes some of them are and some of them will be but not all. Many of them are ashamed of the past atrocities. And in this gobalised world caste identities will eventually die and we will live in amore egalitarian world.
Erasing castes is primarily an upper caste responsibility. Our forefathers were the perpetrators so we should take a lead to help sooth the wounds. Please understand that this hatred stems from anger and understanding this pain and taking a more humane view is the need of the hour for all the upper castes.
At the same time I hope that dalits will believe that not all Brahmins are as evil as you are portraying. Lot of them are above the caste now. We are brothers and we will unite again. Amen!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
NEITHER SAKPAL LOW CASTE NOR AMBEDKAR HIGH CASTE !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
A person having spurious name ” I LOVE DALIT PUSSIES ” said ( July 1, 2008 @ 5:11 pm ) ,” VERY FUNNY WEB SITE. YOU ALSO MUST GIVE DETAIL AS TO HOW SAKPAL (AMBEDKAR IS A HIGH CASTE NAME) USED TO SUCK HIS OWN COCK BY DOING YOGA . HE USED TO PARTICIPATE IN NEGROES ORGY IN NEW YORK. YOU ARE DOING GREAT JOB KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK . ” It is true that Dr.Ambawdekar`s sub-caste was Sakpal .The Maharashtrians often fix their village`s name + kar after their name .Dr.Ambawdekar`s native village was Ambawde. So their name in the school register was Bhim Rao Ram Ji Ambawdekar but his Brahmin teacher Pandit Ambedkar changed his title from Ambawdekar to Ambedkar .That is why I often write his name as Dr.Ambawdekar .
Now there is no high or low caste .Now poor , illiterates are low status but they are not called low caste .Now the Brahmins and SCs of equal status are marrying .Dr.Ambawdekar `s second wife Dr.Savita Kabir M.B.B.S. belonged to the Brahmin community . A so called low caste /Varna ( Mahar )`s boy married to a so called upper caste/Varna `s M.B.B.S. girl . Then who is upper or lower ?
John Selvaraj said
Dear Friends,
We r fighting among ourselves. We Indians must stick together. In a village dalits were suppressed by Nadars and not brahmins. So, how do u think a minority will suppress a majority? Won’t there be many Abedkars and Periyars in the past 5000 years. So, remember this is a plot done by the British and the Portuguese to divide my beloved people. I can see it now by reading the above craps. I’m a hindu dalit. I love Hindus(all o’ them) so also the Muslims and the Christians. You cannot overrule the majority. There would’ve been a revolt in the past 5000 years. But, there wasn’t. So, Mr. Chumber you will never win by just, shouting and by developing hatred in your heart. Come out of the shell, the world is very big. Let there be peace in our land.
Amen,
Jai Shree Ram,
Wahe Guru Dev,
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…
C,L.CHUMBER said
WE STRONGLY CONDEMN WHO KILLED MR.MARGAPPA`S 8 FAMILY MEMBERS .
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Margappa said (July 10, 2008 @ 8:59 am ) ,” Kureela I am a Dalit and we eat Pork. Muslims killed 8 of my family members in 1994. Now you ask me to join hands with these scumbags.” We all strongly condemn who killed Mr.Margappa`s 8 family members and who developed such situation . We also condemn the law and order enforcing agencies who could not save the innocent Indians .Mr.Margappa should write in detail this tragedy with his address .What can we do for Mr.Margappa ? We have full sympathy with him .
I lost my father when I was just 10 years old .I still remember daily even after 4o years .Last year my wife lost her mother at the age of 75 years .My wife try to convince me that her loss is bigger than my loss because she enjoyed her mother`s company more than me .Whether young or old . male or female loss is irreparable .We again condole the deaths of Mr.Margappa`s family members . .
C,L.CHUMBER said
ERASING CASTES IS PRIMARILY SO CALLED UPPER CASTES RESPONSIBILITY ?
Dear Milind ,
You said (July 13, 2008 @ 9:41 pm ) ,” Erasing castes is primarily an upper caste responsibility. Our forefathers were the perpetrators so we should take a lead to help sooth the wounds. Please understand that this hatred stems from anger and understanding this pain and taking a more humane view is the need of the hour for all the upper castes.” Only the bearers knows where the shoe pinches ! The so called upper castes had created the Caste /Varna system to had their upper hand on the aboriginal Indians .They are still worshiping and highlighting the founders of this system .The 50% Indian govt.posts are reserved for these 15% foreigners and 85% aboriginal Indians got 49.5 % jobs.They misuse the army and judiciary to maintain the status quo .The Prime Minister S.Manmohan Singh had rightly said in his speech in the chief ministers` meeting on 22nd April,2008 at New Delhi that the Indian Judiciary is corrupt ! They have killed Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram by clearly wrong judgements.They even did not order to hand over the dead body to his family.They had killed the Indian democracy and the Indian judiciary had committed suicide ! We have no faith in our enemies .GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES !!!!!
Milind said
Mr.CHUMBER , I belong to the so called upper caste.I’m a chitpavan brahmin.
Does that make me youe foe? Should I hate you or should you hate me just for the reason that I’m born in an upper caste family and you are not.
We both are still human beings and we have the same blood flowing in our veins. I reject your theory of hatred as it won’t take us anywhere.
At the same time I must admit that the corrective action needs to be taken and I’m all for affirmative action ( reservations and other benefits).
You are trying to look for conspiracy theories in almost everything and that makes it absurd. The upper caste mind set needs to change but at the same time you also need to understand that even the upper castes understand and can take a humane view. We need to join the hands to fight the castism and build an egalitarian society. A society which will not have any Kharilangis.
C,L.CHUMBER said
YOU SAY BRAHMINS ARE HIGH,I SAY THEY ARE NOT HUMAN-BEINGS !!!!!
Dear Milind ,
You said (July 16, 2008 @ 3:45 pm ) ,” Mr.CHUMBER , I belong to the so called upper caste.I’m a chitpavan brahmin.Does that make me youe foe? Should I hate you or should you hate me just for the reason that I’m born in an upper caste family and you are not..We both are still human beings and we have the same blood flowing in our veins. I reject your theory of hatred as it won’t take us anywhere..”
You are born to a woman and Hindu Bhagwan Krishna said in Gita ,’Women,vaish and shudra are sub-human beings ( paap zoni ).Then a man born to a paap zoni woman can not be a high caste/varna !
Milind said
Dear Mr.Chumber,
I think you did not get the point. I can’t help if something is written in the texts.
I haven’t even read those texts ( Manusmriti etc) and neither do I care about what is written there. These books were written thousands of years back and there could be a lot of stuff in it which may not make any sense.
We need to break these artificial walls and join the hands. And I said I belong to so called upper castes.I used the phrase so called.Personally do we really care today about the castes?
Babasaheb himself joined Buddhism to break these caste walls.
Krishna said
Chumber,
Where in the Bhagwat Gita did Krishna say that women, vaishyas and shudras are sub-human beings?
Who is teaching you Bhagawad Gita?
Krishna said
DN,
Why are you deleting my posts?
i am asking Chumber-ji to show me where in the Gita did Krishna say that women, vaishyas and shudras are sub-human beings?
or are you writing your own Gita?
Sridhar. K said
Dear Chumberji,
I accept your point. Let us level down the walls of caste system and let there be inter-caste marriages. I’m a brahmin and I strongly support your view.
bfn,
Sridhar
C,L.CHUMBER said
A BRAHMIN MR.SRIDHAR .K ACCEPTED AND SUPPORTED MY VIEWS ON RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND OFFERED FOR INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
Bhagwat Gita `s Krishna said that women, vaishyas and shudras are sub-human beings in chapter 9 `s 32nd sloka ( couplet ) !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
Babasaheb himself joined Buddhism to break these caste walls ?
nimit said
Why so much discussion, Chitpavans are untouchables before era of peshwas, other brahmins never used take food with chitpavans, used to do shuddhikaran if came in contact with chitpavan.
hh said
With due respect to Swami Swarupananda for his English translation of the Bhagavad Gita, here it is (Chapter 9, couplet 32):
||māṃ hi pārtha vyapāśritya yepi syuḥ pāpayonayaḥ
striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās tepi yānti parāṃ gatim||
It is by taking refuge in Me, Partha that a person born of sin (papayonah), women, vaishyas and shudras attain the supreme goal.
Krishna did not say that women, vaishyas and shudras were born of papayonah.
He said anyone born of papayonah as well as women, vaishyas and shudras
attain moksha by taking refuge in me.
Anyone who takes birth has come out of desire has come from papayonah. It is expected that in kaliyuga everybody will be born in the state of desire; and therefore there will be very-very few real ‘brahmins’ or rishis being conceived without desire.
Despite whatever way one is conceived or whereever one is given birth to, by refuge in Krishna he is on the path to moksha.
You did not read the other shlokas in the same chapter – like the couplets 33 and 34, in which Krishna says what is the need for Brahmanaas (scriptures) and Rajarishis (maybe Krishna knew there won’t be rajarishis in kaliyuga), simply by fixing your heart in me (unconditional devotion), anyone can come to me.
Karthikeyan said
It was the delusion in those period that women, (solely profit seeking) vaishyas and (impure meat eating) shudras cannot attain moksha. Lord Krishna clears this delusion by the above quoted chap 9, verse 32 of Gita: “Anyone can attain moksha if they pursue me. Even those who are women, vaishyas and shudras (who are considered to have less knowledge of divinity) and who are born illegitimately outside of marriage wedlock”. Meaning moksha is not reserved for Brahmins/yogins alone. Anyone can attain moksha.
(Being born outside of wedlock is socially unacceptable even today).
Slokas are meant to be read and understood. Reading translations and others’ views alone won’t do. Learn Sankskrit. Learn Sanskriti. Then learn scriptures urself. Don’t get carried away by translation works.
hh said
With due respect to Swami Swarupananda for the English translation of the Bhagavad Gita, here it is (Chapter 9, couplet 32):
||māṃ hi pārtha vyapāśritya yepi syuḥ pāpayonayaḥ
striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās tepi yānti parāṃ gatim||
Translation:
O Arjuna, women, Vaishyas, Shudras, as well as those of vile birth (whoever they may be), by taking refuge in Me they too attain the supreme goal (Prabupada’s interpretation).
Literal translation:
Maam – me / unto me.
Hi – definitely.
Partha – Arjuna.
Vyapashritya – taking shelter / complete surrender
Yepi – they also
Syuh – are
papayonah – born from sin
Striyo – women
Vaishyas – merchants
Tatha – and
Shudras – serfs
Tepi – they too
Yanti – attain
Param – supreme
Gatim – goal
Krishna did not say that women, vaishyas and shudras were born of papayonah.
It may not be possible to discuss the meaning of papayonah without understanding the root of desire, birth and re-birth.
Anyone who takes birth has come out of desire and has therefore come from papayonah (born in sin and from sin or born in desire out of desire). It is expected that in kaliyuga everybody will be born in the state of desire; and therefore there will be very-very few real ‘brahmins’ or rishis being conceived without desire.
Despite whatever way one is conceived or whereever one is given birth to, by seeking refuge in Krishna he is on the path to moksha.
Krishna emphasized on unconditional devotion (bhakti marga) and says that simply by fixing your heart in me, anyone can come to me.
The prob with these scriptures are that there are no hard and fast rules about how they are meant to be understood.
In each eon, understanding changes and such scriptures may still apply as per the sensibilities of those times. Which is why they are sanaatan – the eternal ones. The sensibilities ofcourse depend on us, the recycled souls that have interpreted it differently in different times.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY KRISHNA CLUBBED WOMEN,SHUDRA,VAISH ,CHANDAL PAP-ZONI ? ? ? ? ?
WHY NOT KRISHNA SAID TO BRAHMIN,KSHATTRIYA TO ATTAIN MOKSHA ?????
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ Lavnya @ hh said ( July 28, 2008 @ 10:56 am ),” He said anyone born of papayonah as well as women, vaishyas and shudras
attain moksha by taking refuge in me.” Why Krishna clubbed women,vaish , shudra and chandal paap-zoni ? ” Why not Krishna said every body to attain so called moksha .Why not Krishna said to Brahmins and Kashattriyas to attain so called moksha . What is moksha ? What was the power with krishna ? A person who could not satisfy his wife Rukamani had no power of even ethics ! He had a uncontrolled lust for women .He was not an ideal person .He was a fast friend of Pandvas gamblers who lost theirs wife Daropadi in gamling !!!!!
phoenix_77 said
I found the comments made by C,L.Chumber extremely interesting.
It seems that brahmins/upper caste hindus are made squarely responsible for the present plight of dalits & other backward castes & all the associated ills plaguing them till today
And it looks that even after several decades of reservation in govt jobs & in institutes of higher education, they are unable to secure their rightful place in the sun.
Mr C,L.Chumber, going through your comments,it seems that u have quite a reasonable knowledge in caste/varna system from historical perspective & that seems to get your hackles raised time & again.
May I ask u kindly in this age & era of globalization,capitalism,materialism & consumerism how much relevance caste,religion,linguism etc holds in present
day society???
I want to put it bluntly.
If u want the dalit community as a whole to come out of their self imposed mental straitjacket & standup to be counted & respected as one of the important parts of the cogwheel that makes the society run, then they have to remove the blinkers & work wholeheartedly towards that goal.
For that u have to put sincere consistent hard work & well directed efforts.
No amount of quotas or reservations will do the trick.
One more common thing which I noticed in several of his comments, is his repeated stress on intercaste & intervarna marriages.
That means by his own admission,the dalit community lacks the former qualities (hardwork,discipline,dedication,commitment etc…etc..) & they require the help of intercaste/intervarna marriages to move up in the social ladder.
Man u really suck!.Your attitude sucks bigtime!.I don’t know what else to say?.
I think there’s a bit of psychological problem in him.
Maybe he associates brahmins/other upper castes to be fair, smart & goodlooking (the truth is there’s a significant disproportionate no of them compared to their population percentage) & he feels that through intercaste marriages, some of that qualities might rub onto their darker skin & remove the ugliness through their offsprings which might beget the upper caste qualities & somehow that might end their dicrimination.
what happens usually ,u have offsprings with qualities that are stuckup,in the
sense neither here nor there.
My take on marriages is -leave it to guys & gals.Don’t insist wether it should be intercaste, intracaste,intereligion,interlingo,inter-whatever.
Leave it to them. Its their very very……personal choice.Do not interfere.
hh said
whoopsy sorry i got the couplet n chapter numbers wrong in the post previous to the last 1.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY NOT MR.PHOENIX_77 @ ? ? ? ? ? CONDEMNS CASTE / VARNA CREATORS AND PRESERVERS ? I THINK THERE IS A BIG PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM IN HIM
Dear VIEWERS ,
A new comer in our e-dialogue raised some questions which I should answer:-
( 1)May I ask u kindly in this age & era of globalization,capitalism,materialism & consumerism how much relevance caste,religion,linguism etc holds in present
day society???
My answer is :- I am of the same opinion that varna system created by Brahma and preserved by castiest Brahmins is the main hurdle in our socio-economic development .But neither your good self nor the Brahmins condemn the creators of this worst ever system in the world .This system is not religious system .The true religion preach brotherhood , equality and liberty in the mankind .Do you think that varna system is in favour of humankind ? Mughals , Britishers rulers can not annihilate this system . Then how will your globalization,capitalism,materialism and consumerism annihilate it unless the active participation of the neglected and rejected society ?
( 2 )f u want the dalit community as a whole to come out of their self imposed mental straitjacket & stand up to be counted & respected as one of the important parts of the cogwheel that makes the society run, then they have to remove the blinkers & work wholeheartedly towards that goal.
My answer is :- The dalit society is not work shirkers .They plant the rice plants in the 40-50 degree celecious temperature in the June month when you people feel hot in the A.C. rooms / offices . But what is theirs pay as compared to you working in the A.Cs.Mr.Sabharwal just retired chief justice of India collected Rs.100/- crores by corruption which was exposed by the media . The supreme court of India instead of punishing that guilty person , announced sentence to some journalists of the daily Mid-Day evening of Mumbai .Why ? Because Mr.Sabharwal is a high caste fellow .Mr.Mulayam Singh Yadav and Ms Mayawati are victims of the same supreme court of India being BC and SC respectively . I am against corruption .What are your views , please ?
( 3)One more common thing which I noticed in several of his comments, is his repeated stress on intercaste & intervarna marriages.
My answer is : – Is there any wrong in these marriages ? Are you in favour or have allergy ? The state govts.are encouraging it and what is wrong if I also do advocacy ? When we celebrate the same festivals every year,then we do not fed up .
( 4 )That means by his own admission,the dalit community lacks the former qualities (hardwork,discipline,dedication,commitment etc…etc..) & they require the help of intercaste/intervarna marriages to move up in the social ladder.
My answer is : – I never wrote like this . We do not need manuwadi social ladder ! You Brahmins married your daughters to SCs IAS / IPS / IFS boys to move up in the highest administration ! Your views are irrational , unethical , anti-nationalism and anti-constitution !
( 5 )Man u really suck!.Your attitude sucks big time!.I don’t know what else to say?.
My answer is : – I purchase 9 daily news papers daily .I do not read a specific news again and again in all news papers . I read the news which are not in other news papers .So you may also read or not read my writing .But you already admitted the reverse ,” I found the comments made by C,L.Chumber extremely interesting.- -Mr C,L.Chumber, going through your comments,it seems that u have quite a reasonable knowledge in caste/varna system from historical perspective & that seems to get your hackles raised time & again.” !!!!!
( 6 ) I think there’s a bit of psychological problem in him.
My ANSWER IS : – I am quite physically and mentally fit . The society does not absorb the revolutionaries . I do not claim to be a revolutionary .All revolutionary are finished by the ruling rotten society but the ruling society had to accept the revolutionary thoughts .The persons who worship and glorify the rapists , racists and fascists as Gods must have confirmed psychological problem in them .If you worship these evils then your good self have a big psychological problem in you . and ( 7 )Maybe he associates brahmins/other upper castes to be fair, smart & good looking (the truth is there’s a significant disproportionate no of them compared to their population percentage) & he feels that through intercaste marriages, some of that qualities might rub onto their darker skin & remove the ugliness through their off springs which might beget the upper caste qualities & somehow that might end their discrimination.
My ANSWER IS :- Your comments are unethical .This shows the bent of mind of your , your family and your society ! Have your good self ever seen the blackish faces of Rama,Vishnu and Krishna in the calenders .The south Indian Brahmins are blackish .The advance societies in the world have no varna / caste system .You already said ,” May I ask u kindly in this age & era of globalization,capitalism,materialism & consumerism how much relevance caste,religion,linguism etc holds in present
day society??? ” Now your good self answer to your own answer on inter caste marriage ?
NO ONE IS FAIR WITH ONES SKIN UNLESS ONE IS NOT FAIR IN ONES THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS !!!!! BRAHMINS ARE NOT SO MUCH FAIR IN SKIN AS COMPARED TO MANY GROUPS IN THE WORLD !!!!! THE BRAHMINS AS COMMUNITY ARE WORST IN THE WORLD DUE TO THEIRS WORSHIPING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS AS WELL AS CREATORS AND PRESERVERS OF VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!
hh said
Chumber-ji’s commenting goes:
first, he says brahmins are most evil.
second: he says they must marry non-brahmins enmasse.
Am wondering if he considers them evil, why does he want to marry them 😀 ?
Chumber-ji,
No amount of explaining will help you guys. If you had even attempted to pick up a book to read abt transmigration of souls (if not intrested in making a small attempt in knowing things practically by seeking a guru), then you wud not be talking like this.
You do not want to look at things in any way; but a politician’s way.
You brought things down to the cheapest level of talking abt satisfying stuff. This comment sucks big time. And shows your demeaning cheapskate way of thinking. Its sick talking to you.
Thankyou for making me realize what a dumb idiot and a fool i have been in allowing myself to waste time like this.
Good-bye and Good-luck being stuck.
Devender said
All this is very silly.
C,L.CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU WORSHIPER OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS HAS CONFESSED THAT HE IS DUMB , IDIOT AND ALSO A FOOL WHO WASTED HIS TIME IN E-DIALOUGING !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.hh @ Happy Hindu @ lavnya said (August 4, 2008 @ 2:23 pm),” Chumber ji’s commenting goes:first, he says brahmins are most evil .Second: he says they must marry non-brahmins enmasse.Am wondering if he considers them evil, why does he want to marry them ?
MY ANSWER IS : – When Badshah Hamayun lost his kingdom to Sher Shah Suri , he ran away to his country .One day , he went to the forest for hunting with the king of that country .Hamanyu`s Indian soldiers killed a lion so quickly that the king asked Hamanyu how he lost India having so brave soldiers .The king advised Hamanyu to creat blood relations with Indians to be popular .The Hindi poet Ramdhari Singh Dinkar recorded this incident in his book ” Sanskriti Ke Chaar Adhiaye ” ( Four Chapters of Culture ) in which he wrote that when Hamanyu regained India ,he offered Hindu rulers for relationship. The Hindus refused to take Muslim princesses because theirs ( Muslim/Mughals )daughters will rule Hindu generations.Then Hamanyu accepted Hindu daughters . My point of view is that if Brahmins boasted of their superemacy ,they will be isolated and will be future`s untouchables .This is up to them .
( 2 ) Chumber-ji,No amount of explaining will help you guys. If you had even attempted to pick up a book to read abt transmigration of souls (if not intrested in making a small attempt in knowing things practically by seeking a guru), then you wud not be talking like this.
MY ANSWER IS : – We are not discussing transmigration of any individual ..We are discussing transformation of entire Indian society . Your transmigrated gurus are also worshipers of rapist,racist and fascist Gods .An ethical person is a real guru of himself / herself ! I am talking neither unethically nor illegally.
( 3 ) You do not want to look at things in any way; but a politician’s way.
My ANSWER IS :- I am not a leader of any political party and the politicians do not say anything which looses his/her votes . Yes , I am a statesman not politician !
( 4 ) You brought things down to the cheapest level of talking abt satisfying stuff. This comment sucks big time. And shows your demeaning cheapskate way of thinking. Its sick talking to you.
MY ANSWER IS ; – You are a group of two or three persons who wrote by changing theirs fictitious names which is unethical as well as illegal Your like minded having fictitious name Mr./Miss/Mrs. Phoenix_77 ( August 3, 2008 @ 6:00 pm ) said the same things .You have only repeated with some alterations . I had replied ( August 4, 2008 @ 10:03 am ) to Phoenix in details .That is for you also .
( 5 )Thank you for making me realize what a dumb idiot and a fool i have been in allowing myself to waste time like this.Good-bye and Good-luck being stuck.
MY ANSWER IS : – You are repeating the wordings of Phoenix which I replied earlier .THERE IS MY LAST HUMBLE REQUEST TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH AND LEAVE THE UN-TRUTH .THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE OF HONESTY BECAUSE HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY . IN FUTURE , I WILL RESPOND YOU ONLY IF YOU DENOUNCE THE EVIL GODS AND VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM . THANKS FOR YOUR E-DISCUSSION UP TO THIS DAY.BYE BYE.
mesquiteice said
I cannot imagine how cheap a person must be to talk like this about our own sisters.
I 100% believe that people who consider girls to be some kind of playing cards should be ashamed of themselves. In fact, no woman would marry such fellows who want to marry a girl for her caste. These guys marry woman on the basis of their caste after marriage, will redicule the woman about her caste.
I was thinking that intercaste marriage would help end caste system, but unfortunately people here are making politics out of intercaste marriage itself.
Why dont these people understand that girls are also humans. I am pained to note these people accusing a great thinker like Dr. BR.Ambedkar to have married a woman for such a reason. I thought (and still believe) it was out of love for that woman. I am sure Dr. Ambedkar would never have had such ideas. Now some people are telling that it is for the love of her caste.
I am sure that reponses to this mail would involve referances from comics and stories and would not be to the point. Please dont.
I think we should nip anti-woman propaganda in the bud.
PLEASE PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF OUR SISTERS.
JAI HIND
C,L.CHUMBER said
HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY-B.R.AMBAWDEKAR !!!!!
***** IF HINDUS WISH TO BE A ONE ,THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCARD HINDUISM. THEY CAN NOT BE ONE WITHOUT VIOLATING HINDUISM .HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY . HINDUISM CAN NOT CREATE THAT LONGING TO BELONG WHICH IS THE BASIS OF ALL UNITY .ON THE CONTRARY HINDUISM CREATES AN EAGERNESS TO SEPARATE . ( IN HIS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” , JAN.1991, MUMBAI , PAGE 187)
C,L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF ALLWOMEN FROM THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said ( August 8, 2008 @ 10:47 am ) ,” I cannot imagine how cheap a person must be to talk like this about our own sisters. ” I refute his charges as baseless and will reply one by one .
( 1 ) I 100% believe that people who consider girls to be some kind of playing cards should be ashamed of themselves.
MY ANSWER IS : – I REGARD THE WOMEN VERY MUCH THAT IS WHY I AM EXPOSING THE RAPIST GODS BUT HE NEVER CONDEMNED THE RAPIST GODS .HIS GOD KRISHNA WAS A FAST FRIEND OF THE PANDVAS WHO CONSIDERED THEIRS COMMON WIFE MS.DAROPADI AS PLAYING CARDS AND LOST HER TO THE KAURVAS IN GAMBLING . I STRONGLY CONDEMN IT.WILL HE CONDEMN IT ? WILL HE BE ASHAMED OF KARISHNA AND HIS GAMBLER FRIENDS ? ( 2 )In fact, no woman would marry such fellows who want to marry a girl for her caste. These guys marry woman on the basis of their caste after marriage, will redicule the woman about her caste.
MY ANSWER IS : – EVERY WOMAN / MAN WANTS A CHOICE THAT IS WHY THE INTERCASTE / INTER-VARNA MARRIAGES ARE INCREASING IN INDIA .
( 3 ) I was thinking that intercaste marriage would help end caste system, but unfortunately people here are making politics out of intercaste marriage itself.
MY ANSWER IS :- WHAT IS POLITICS IN INTERCASTE MARRIAGE ? YOU MAY GET AT LEAST ONE FAMILY MEMBER INTERCASTE MARRIED ACCORDING TO YOUR FAMILY STATUS ! PANDIT MADAN MOHAN MALVIYA ASKED THE BRAHMINS TO GET ONE MEMBER OF THEIRS FAMILY CONVERTED TO SIKHISM TO LIBERATE COUNTRY. I REQUEST YOU ALSO GET ONE PERSON OF YOUR FAMILY MARRIED TO SC , ST,OBC AND RELIGIOUS MINORITY TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY A WORLD POWER !
( 4 ) Why dont these people understand that girls are also humans.
MY ANSWER IS : – I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GIRLS ARE NOT ONLY HUMANS , I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEIRS SOCIO-ECONOMIC PROGRESS WILL ANNIHILATE THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM WHICH AGAINST WOMEN ! ( 5 ) I am pained to note these people accusing a great thinker like Dr. BR.Ambedkar to have married a woman for such a reason. I thought (and still believe) it was out of love for that woman. I am sure Dr. Ambedkar would never have had such ideas. Now some people are telling that it is for the love of her caste.
MY ANSWER IS : – WHETHER IT WAS OUT OF LOVE OR OUT OF HATE , THEY HAD EQUAL STATUS .THEY BOTH CHALLENGED THE BRAHMA`S CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AT HIGH LEVEL .THE INDIAN GOVT.MUST AMEND THE CONSTITUTION TO RESERVE THE ALL GOVT./SEMI GOVT. JOBS FOR SUITABLE INTERCASTE / INTER-VARNA MARRIED COUPLES UNDER CREAMY LAYER TO ANNIHILATE THIS FILTHY CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!! MAHATMA GANDHI AND PANDIT NEHRU GOT THEIRS CHILDREN IN ANOTHER CASTES .
( 5 ) I am sure that reponses to this mail would involve referances from comics and stories and would not be to the point. Please dont.
MY ANSWER IS ;-NO NEED TO GIVE / READ REFERENCES .
( 6 ) I think we should nip anti-woman propaganda in the bud.
MY ANSWER IS :- WHAT KIND OF ANTI-WOMEN PROPAGANDA ? IT IS NOT AGAINST WOMEN , IT IS AGAINST THOSE GODS WHO RAPED THE INNOCENT AND PIOUS WOMEN . IT IS AGAINST THE FASCIST GODS WHO DESERTED EVEN THEIRS OWN WIVES TO SAVE THEIRS CHAIRS / DESIGNATIONS OF GODS !!!!!
( 7 ) PLEASE PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF OUR SISTERS. JAI HIND
MY ANSWER IS : – IF THERE IS ANY DANGER TO YOUR SISTERS , WE ARE WITH YOU . PLEASE INFORM THE POLICE TO PROTECT YOUR SISTERS .
PLEASE JOIN US TO
PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF ALL WOMEN FROM THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
mequiteice said
Chumber Ji,
I specifically requested not to talk about gods and their stories. you are again talking about pandavas and other stories.
I agree partly, in the sense that i am also not in support of polyandry. I am told that it is because of this mistake that pandavas suffered so much. but anyway a story is a story.
You asked what kind of anti-woman propaganda?
The blog intro says “If you want to finish the brahmins then marry the Brahmin women. Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna”
My Reply: If you have problem with manu/brahma / krishna go and fight with them. why are you dragging our sisters into this fight. what did they do?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING PEOPLE TO MARRY A GIRL, JUST FOR HER CASTE.
WHY SHOULD NOT GIRLS MARRY A BRAHMIN. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FEELING AND WILL MARRY WHOEVER THEY LIKE. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL WHOM THEY SHOULD MARRY.
I WANT TO TELL ALL SISTERS, TO BEWARE OF PEOPLE WHO COME AND OFFER MARRIAGE PROPOSAL FOR INTERCASTE MARRAIGE.
DEAR SISTERS, THESE GUYS WANT TO MARRY YOU NOT FOR YOUR LOVE, BUT ONLY FOR YOUR CASTE. THEY WANT TO USE YOU FOR POLITICAL MILEAGE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING, I AM NOT TELLING ALL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MARRY INTERCASTE ARE BAD. I AM ONLY TELLING BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT GETTING CAUGHT BETWEEN THE DEVIL(CASTE SYSTEM) AND DEEP BLUE SEA (POLITICS).
YOU ARE TELLING THAT THE GODS ARE RAPIST / RACIST AND FASCIST BASED ON STORIES THAT THEY DID NOT RESPECT WOMEN. BE IT AS IT MAY
WHY ARE YOU ALSO DOING THE SAME MISTAKE? PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.
C.L.CHUMBER said
WE WILL INITIATE INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES AMONG SCHEDULED CASTES AND MOST OBCs !!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
MR.Mequiteice said ( August 13, 2008 @ 9:10 am ) REPEATED THE ALMOST SAME WHICH I REPLIED EARLIER ( August 11, 2008 @ 12:37 pm ) .I HAVE ADVOCATED THE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES TO CREATE HARMONY AMONG THE DIFFERENT WARRING GROUPS OF INDIA .WHAT IS WRONG IN IT ? I AM SUGGESTING NOT DICTATING .BABA SANT RAM B.A. OF THE KUMHAR CASTE AND AN ARYA SAMAJISTOF PUNJAB LAUNCHED THE JAAT PAAT TODAK MANDAL TO DO INTERCASTE MARRIAGES AMONG THE ARYA SAMAJISTS .HE MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER IN A CHADHA FAMILY .BUT IN A MEETING WITH ME IN DEC.1984 AT HIS DAUGHTER`S RESIDENCE AT DELHI THAT HE MUST DID THE INTERCASTE MARRIAGES AMONG SCs AND MOST OBCs.DR.AMBAWDEKAR`S BOOK ” ANNIHILATION OF CASTE ” WAS A PREPARED SPEECH TO BE DELIVERED IN THE JAAT PAAT TODAK MANDAL FUNCTON AT LAHORE WHICH WAS NEVER DELIVERED AND NO FUNCTION WAS HELD INCLUDING THAT.
SO WE WILL ARRANGE INTERCASTE MARRIAGES AMONG SCs AND MOST OBCs.PLEASE YOU PEOPLE BEWARE OF BROTHERHOOD .WHAT CAN WE DO ?
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
If you are suggesting that anybody can marry anybody, I support your views.
Dalit nation said in the intro to this blog “Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna”
We should request dalit nation not to talk about personal matters of any person especially the founding father of our constitution. He had done so much good. We should respect him.
Thanks
C,L.CHUMBER said
INTERCASTE MARRIAGES WILL ANNIHILATE THE VARNA/CASTE SYSTEM !!!!
Dear Viewrs ,
Once Dr.Lekh Raj Parwna dy.secretary,Punjab Vidhan Sabha asked me why the Hinduism is so much against women and intercaste marriages. I quickly replied that the Aryans( Brahmins,Kashattriyas,Vaishes ) migrated to India from Central Asia .They invaded India and destroyed the Indus Valley Civilisation based on equality,liberity,fraternity and justice which Guru Ravidas expressed as ” Be-gam pura “. When Aryans setteled here,they abducted the aboriginal ladies as wives .In the Manu Simrity,the Brahmins had right to even rape the ladies of other three varnas` ladies .The Kshattriyas had right to rape the vaish and shudra ladies .The Vaish had right to rape shudra ladies .But the shudras had no right to rape the Brahmin ladies or another varnas`ladies. Mr.Manu wrote that if a shudra raped a Brahmin lady,his pinus must be cut off .I think that is why the Dalitnation blog said ,”Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna”
Dr.Ambedkar did inter-varna marriage.We should respect him and his Brahmin wife by promoting intercaste and inter-varna marriages to annihiliate this evil system !!!! Thanks.
h said
~~INTERCASTE MARRIAGES WILL ANNIHILATE THE VARNA/CASTE SYSTEM !!!!
Dear Viewrs ,
Once Dr.Lekh Raj Parwna dy.secretary,Punjab Vidhan Sabha asked me why the Hinduism is so much against women and intercaste marriages. I quickly replied that the Aryans( Brahmins,Kashattriyas,Vaishes ) migrated to India from Central Asia .They invaded India and destroyed the Indus Valley Civilisation based on equality,liberity,fraternity and justice which Guru Ravidas expressed as ” Be-gam pura “. When Aryans setteled here,they abducted the aboriginal ladies as wives .In the Manu Simrity,the Brahmins had right to even rape the ladies of other three varnas` ladies .The Kshattriyas had right to rape the vaish and shudra ladies .The Vaish had right to rape shudra ladies .But the shudras had no right to rape the Brahmin ladies or another varnas`ladies. Mr.Manu wrote that if a shudra raped a Brahmin lady,his pinus must be cut off .I think that is why the Dalitnation blog said ,”Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna”
Dr.Ambedkar did inter-varna marriage.We should respect him and his Brahmin wife by promoting intercaste and inter-varna marriages to annihiliate this evil system !!!! Thanks.~~
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Since you talk abt Indus Valley Civilization (IVC), i wish to tell you this:
Those that came from Central Asia were not really “Aryans” – they were nomadic tribes. But they had their own faith as well. Most northern Indians (irrespective of dalit or not dalit) are part of these nomadic tribes. Because of inter-tribal wars and intra-tribal fights, they pushed each other beneath themselves (struggle for existance + struggle for dominance). This is how ‘dalits’ might have been created. This is to say ‘dalits’ depending on the region may not all be the ‘aborigines’ of this country.
Aryans cultures are native Indian cultures. The concepts that became present day Hinduism was developed by both, the earlier ancient Indo-Iranian farming settlements (who might have created settlements by mating with the existing native hunting . fishing tribes) with later additions from the central asian nomads from the steppes.
The mixing of the indo-iranian groups + central asian groups + native tribal groups (hunters, fishermen, etc), at varying levels seems to have resulted in a sustained chaotic fluid model of different occupation groups.
All during this time and even post buddhism, people were still fluid units – they could choose their profession or continue their father’s job. The number of jobs available for various people to do were also limited as compared to now.
If one tribe lost a fight, they cud move to an ally kingdom and make a living doing simple jobs. To gain closeness to the rulers, they might have also professed the faith of the rulers. And then changed jobs when they found something more lucarative to do.
There are many places in the north associated with various events. But the people who lived in those places when those events took place may not be all the present inhabitants of those places, they cud have been the people who were displaced from those places.
Each tribe had their own wise men and when the tribe moved, these wise men or men of knowledge whom we call ‘brahmins’ also moved from place to place.
The smarthas trace their origins to 700-1000AD. Before that ‘brahmin’ might have been a generic term indeed. Anyone cud have been a brahmin. In a given tribe, a brahmin might have been a spiritual service providing shaman, a medicineman, a weather man who decided in which direction the tribe must move, a story-teller, a scribe, an artist and so on.
As people became more and more ‘civilized’, their keen learning sense resulted in ‘brahmins’ as well – men who studied astronomy, produced vedic mathematics texts, dissected dead bodies, studied and made herbal medicine, performed surgeries, etc. The ancient ‘brahmins’ indeed represented the civilization peak of their own tribe. But it is very much possible that ‘brahmins’ of yore were different from present day brahmins.
Ex: Aryabhatta, the astronomer was either a foot soilder or considered a ‘brahmin’ for his intellectual work. If he had descendents or students, where did they go? Similarly where did the students of Yami (Yama’s sister), Lopamudra (agastya’s wife), and a good many others..those who contributed to the Rigved disappear?
For all you know, maybe you are a descendent of Valmiki or some other ‘brahmin’ (biologically) but got defeated by a stronger tribe and lost your identity.
Some tribes followed the democracy model, meaning the king would be the best man elected from the group – these tribal janapadas may obviously not have followed the 4-varna system. But they must have had their wise men as did everyone else but as a non-heredity position.
Some tribes followed the heredity model and it might be possible that calcification of occupations began from these tribes. However, it has been recorded in the south that even during the maratha times, the concept of caste was still vague.
People generally over time stuck to the same occupation group. But if they did not do well, switching jobs was not at all uncommon.
Those that originally came from the democracy tribal model (like the sakas or kambhojas – the allied tribes of ‘dravida’) must have been confused about what ‘caste’ or ‘varna’ to report to the colonialists who sought to fit all jatis into the 4 varnas.
Whatever information you may come across, for good or bad, i hope the spirit is more in the spirit of enquiry to sit and laugh about it together as friends, not to belittle or trash any one community.
Everyone’s origins are circumspect and possibly God made it that way so that we find reason and meaning to seek out our true selves from within, instead of depending on an identity outside of us that will be dead and gone once this body is also gone.
Again i request you not to judge what various men wrote – they are just scriptures.
I see Ram as God because i see some superhuman qualities in Him, same goes for Krishna — we do not worship the father of Ram or Krishna or their 1000s of relatives, but just these 2 specific persons; and for good reason. Perhaps it is true that Ram and Krishna were tribal heros described by some writers in limited terms, but i have added on my divinity to them because that is what i want to experiance — the whole world is a cosmic experiance, if you see it that way….
Please i request you, kindly do not belittle people or ask them to denounce what they cannot denounce, because what you are asking people to denounce is actually the part of their nature – the part of their energy to sense and to seek.
h said
i hope you also understand that present day brahmins are spiritual service providers.
they represent the continuity of the old cultures; developed at various levels in ancient times by various inter-mixing tribes, that later became endogamous units.
as a hindu, i will always need a priest.
please do not ask me to go against them. i will not.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WE DO NOT NEED CARTS , WE NEED SATELITES , SUPERSONIC AEROPLANES !
Dear Viewrs Mr.Happy Hindu @ h said ( August 21, 2008 @ 9:26 am ) ,” i hope you also understand that present day brahmins are spiritual service providers.”
My Answer is :- The people are in dire need of bread,clothes and home not spirtuality of manuwadi type.Gur Kabir said in a couplet to his True God that he can not meditate with an empty belly , please take this string of beads !
( 2 )they represent the continuity of the old cultures; developed at various levels in ancient times by various inter-mixing tribes, that later became endogamous units.
My answer is :- Your old culture was manuwadi culture which is injurious to society as expiry dated medicine. Then was an autocracy , now is democracy !
( 3 )as a hindu, i will always need a priest..please do not ask me to go against them. i will not.
My answer is :-There is not a single word Hindu in 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.The Hindu is a derogatory term given by the Muslims to the Brahmins which means in Persian as Black,thief and African Habshi ! It is your choice to be a Hindu of 4th class shudra as you once wrote that you are a shudra !
hh said
~~In the Manu Simrity,the Brahmins had right to even rape the ladies of other three varnas` ladies .The Kshattriyas had right to rape the vaish and shudra ladies .The Vaish had right to rape shudra ladies .But the shudras had no right to rape the Brahmin ladies or another varnas`ladies. Mr.Manu wrote that if a shudra raped a Brahmin lady,his pinus must be cut off .I think that is why the Dalitnation blog said ,”Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna”~~
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i have asked you before, please show me where in the manu smrithi did manu give the “right to rape” anyone.
please think with your sane mind – do you ever think anyone can ever give anyone the “right to rape”.
it seems to be habit in you to repeat the same “few yardsticks of measurement” (of your own making) despite giving explanation of what a shlok’s meaning could actually be.
correction said
When i say “But it is very much possible that ‘brahmins’ of yore were different from present day brahmins”, please see it in 2 ways:
1) The medieval writers that messed up the interpretation of the ‘books’ were not necessarily ancestors of present day brahmins.
2) When a tribe got defeated by a stronger tribe and lost its identity, where did the brahmins of that tribe go?
In any case, it is not right to target any one community for the creation of rigid class systems or for the poverty of the country.
mesquiteice said
Chumber Ji,
You said” There is not a single word Hindu in 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.The Hindu is a derogatory term given by the Muslims to the Brahmins which means in Persian as Black,thief and African Habshi ! It is your choice to be a Hindu of 4th class shudra as you once wrote that you are a shudra !”
My answer: Factually i cannot comment because i have not completely analysed 4 vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.
But I can tell you one thing is that I agree with you partly. Hindu is not a word that means some caste/race/creed. It refers to people who lived near the river “Sindhu” and Indus. It has a geographical referance. That is why our country is known as “Hindustan” and “India”. It is also “Bharat” because it was ruled by king BHARAT.
I would like to know if Buddism defines what is buddhism. I know that it only talks of what buddha preached.
I would like to know if Christianity defines what is Christianity. I know that it only talks of what christ preached.
Also let me know if any other religion defines itself.
mesquiteice said
H,
I also wonder if anyone can have a right to “RA**”. This appears to be wrong somewhere.
Maybe we should find what the meaning of “Ra**” was in the scripture explained by Chumber(assuming that chumber is speaking the truth).
I suppose it may have been that except brahmins others had the right to have more than one wife, which is because brahmins were expected to be of a level of self restraint (this is only my guess).
but right to “Ra*e” is atrocious to say the least.
hh said
~My Answer is :- The people are in dire need of bread,clothes and home not spirtuality of manuwadi type.Gur Kabir said in a couplet to his True God that he can not meditate with an empty belly , please take this string of beads !~
i completely agree with you. Bhuke peth bhajan na hoyay gopala – a starved man cannot pray (unless he’s a yogi). But will targetting one community help? Will it not help more to gain skills and education? If yours is a fight against poverty, i am very much with you. i think everyone is with you.
~My answer is :- Your old culture was manuwadi culture which is injurious to society as expiry dated medicine. Then was an autocracy , now is democracy !~
You seem to think that anything that is hindu is manuwadi culture. That is a highly wrong statement. Please try just once to know and to seek Mata Amritanandamayi – She is the best saint to hug you and heal you with love – by reading about Her, i hope your questions on what is a hindu also gets answered.
Manusmrithi: Manu was from the “dravida” tribe (please keep the word “dravida” meaning a region, seperate from “dravida” meaning a tribe). “Dravida” was a tribe of the north, later of the vindhyas. In fact many say “dravida” was the so-called arya tribe that went inwards into tamilnadu. How can you be so sure that Manu was not your ancestor?
~My answer is :-There is not a single word Hindu in 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.The Hindu is a derogatory term given by the Muslims to the Brahmins which means in Persian as Black,thief and African Habshi ! It is your choice to be a Hindu of 4th class shudra as you once wrote that you are a shudra !~
is there a single word in sanskrit that is used to define itself….when people write things, they do not describe themselves, they describe things around them. Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Persian and African gave to us. How can they – when we Indians are Indo-Persians and African ourselves. Do you think an African will call an African as Black or a Persian will call himself as Thief. Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.
Hindu = Hi + Sindhu = land between the Himalayas and Sindh / Bindu Sarover (Indian ocean).
Yes if it my choice to be a shudra, so be it. Because i know what i am, that’s why i call myself that. also i know i will be a ‘brahmin’ next – someone told me that and i do beleive it. Infact if you wish to call everyone dalits, i want to tell you that i am already calling myself a dalit – but is that what we want?
Various explanations have already been given.
I have this to ask:
Why are you people repeatedly calling yourselves “dalit and downtrodden” (goes together) ? What are you seeking to achieve by always calling yourself that?
Does all not seem like nonsense (not making any sense) to you?
correction said
~My answer is :-There is not a single word Hindu in 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.The Hindu is a derogatory term given by the Muslims to the Brahmins which means in Persian as Black,thief and African Habshi ! It is your choice to be a Hindu of 4th class shudra as you once wrote that you are a shudra !~
A small part of my explanation above is inaccurate reg this question. Hence this:
Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Muslim from Persia gave to us. When a good many Indians are indo-persians, how can a Persian call himself as Thief, Black or African Habshi.
This shows how degraded the minds of the ones who connoted this meaning are (irrespective of if it were the indian muslims or the present day anti-hindus who cooked this up ).
You are living in India (Hi+Sindhu land), are you a Thief? What is wrong in being a African Habshi (slave) ? There are many people who are fondly called Krishna or the dark-one (me too was called so as a kid). What is wrong in being black?
Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.
hh said
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Sridhar. K said
Chumberji,
You are going to be the next Hitler.
Good luck.
Sridhar. K said
Chumber ji,
You are a real cock-sucker next to Bheemji. Long live the suckers of reservation.
Soon please bring out the following law.
1. When a Harijan is present at the cricket field holding his bat, it is a Six.
2. When a Harijan is holding the ball it is a wicket.
3. Since he is an oppressed, the boundry for him comes with hitting the ball to the
inner circle
How
h said
mesquiteice,
this rape talk comes from evil sick people.
listening to them is enuf to make one lose sleep for a decade if not the whole life.
if they openly talk about rape like this, and use it as a tool to endorse (in my opinion “threaten”) women into marriage “to remove them from varna”, don’t i have the right to file a public interest litigation against them?
Even a dead man’s soul to prevent attachment to his dead body is reminded “ram naam satya hai” – ram’s name is the only truth – who are these people to tell me who i shd not worship. Krishna’s vishwaroopam was shown to arjuna only after arjuna had completely dropped himself, but can any explanation help these people? who gave them the right to tell me i cannot worship krishna.
if invoking narayana sends a shiver down my spine, can i help it? esp when i dunno if i have any control on myself or not.
what makes these politicians think, they can interfere in anyone’s faith, anyone’s lives?
posting again said
h said,
August 25, 2008 @ 9:27 am
mesquiteice,
this rape talk comes from evil sick people.
listening to them is enuf to make one lose sleep for a decade if not the whole life.
if they openly talk about rape like this, and use it as a tool to endorse (in my opinion “threaten’ ) women into marriage “to remove them from varna”, don’t i have the right to file a public interest litigation against them?
Even a dead man’s soul to prevent attachment to his dead body is reminded “ram naam satya hai” – ram’s name is the only truth – who are these people to tell me who i shd not worship.
Krishna’s vishwaroopam was shown to arjuna only after arjuna had completely dropped himself, but can form of explanation help these people? who gave them the right to tell me i cannot worship krishna.
if invoking narayana sends a shiver down my spine, can i help it? esp when i dunno if i have any control on myself or not.
what makes these politicians think, they can interfere in anyone’s faith, anyone’s lives?
h said,
August 25, 2008 @ 9:29 am
i dunno why this wink icon comes up with apostrophe and bracket close – it was not intended to be there.
h said
~My answer is :-There is not a single word Hindu in 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas , Upnishads,Ramayna ,Simirities and Mahabharat etc.The Hindu is a derogatory term given by the Muslims to the Brahmins which means in Persian as Black,thief and African Habshi ! It is your choice to be a Hindu of 4th class shudra as you once wrote that you are a shudra !~
There is !!
1) Brihanardi Puran:
Himalayan Samabhya Yavat Binusarovaram,
Hindusthanmati Gyatam Hii Antarakshar Ayogatah.[6]
It means the country between the Himalayas and Bindu Sarovar is Hindusthan so combining the first letter Hi of Himalayas and last compound letter Ndu of word Bindu forms Hindu so purely and simply this is a Sanskrit word.
(is also mentioned in the Nardeeya Puran the short version of Brihannardi Puran).
Other puranas:
2) Sapta sindhu muthal sindhu maha samudhram vareyulla bharatha bhoomi aarkkellamaano | Mathru bhoomiyum pithru bhoomiyumayittullathu, avaraanu hindukkalaayi ariyappedunnathu||
meaning: (nice one) – whoever considers the land of Bharatha Bhoomi between Saptha Sindhu and the Indian Ocean as his motherland and fatherland is known as Hindu.
3) Aaasindo sindhu paryantham yasyabharatha bhoomikah|
Mathrubhuh pithrubhoochaiva sah vai hindurithismrithaah||
meaning: whoever considers the land of bharatha bhoomi as his motherland and fatherland is known as Hindu.
Chumber-ji,
The true meaning of all 3 verses above is that those who do not want to accomodate hindu faith should be sent out of the country. They can practice Adi-Dharam in Afghanisthan (central asia) under the Taliban.
h said
Mesquiteice,
Went thru all of MANU SMRITHI – http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm
THERE IS NO MENTION OF RAPE OR FORCING ONESELF ON A GIRL OR FORCED MARRIAGE ANYWHERE.
There are some interpolations and things unacceptable in present times regarding the big age difference prescribed b/w brides and grooms; but MARRIAGE WAS UPHELD AS THE HIGHEST SANCTITY. One quote:
Chapter 9:
101. ‘Let mutual fidelity continue until death,’ this may be considered as the summary of the highest law for husband and wife.
CHUMBER-JI,
Now, i really am expecting an explanation from you.
In fact, i demand an explanation – why are you misquoting this book as regards the “right to rape”.
Who has taught you about the “right to rape”?
Why does it apply to “brahmin” community?
Who asked you to quote the Manusmriti in that regard?
And why do you propagate this idea without even reading the manusmrithi ?
And why do you use it to threaten women into politically-prescribed-forced marriages ?
MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS.
h said
Manu Smrithi – Chapter 3:
56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.
57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers.
58. The houses on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by magic.
Chapter 8:
323. For stealing men of noble family and especially women and the most precious gems, the offender deserves corporal or capital punishment.
C . L. CHUMBER said
HARIJAN IS DEROGATORY AND ILLEGAL TERM FOR SCHEDULED CASTES !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.Sridhar. K said ( August 24, 2008 @ 4:19 am ),” Chumber ji,
You are a real cock-sucker next to Bheemji. Long live the suckers of reservation.
Soon please bring out the following law.
1. When a Harijan is present at the cricket field holding his bat, it is a Six.
2. When a Harijan is holding the ball it is a wicket.
3. Since he is an oppressed, the boundry for him comes with hitting the ball to the inner circle .How .”
Dear Sridhar ji ! Which Bheem ji ? Dr. Bhim Rao Ram Ji Ambawdekar or Mahabharat`s Bhim ? We are subjects of Dr.Bhim`s constitution ! The reservation is a constitutional right .Don`t make fun of your self by making fun of constitutional provisions. You are making fun of SCs which is an offence and put you behind bars for some years .
You also used term Harijan for SCs which is derogatory and banned by the Central and State governments .This may also put you behind bars ! You made fun of SCs again .This confirms your rotten mind ! There is no Brahmin Medalist in the Beizing Olympic 2008 ! India stood at 50th place due to the Krishna`s Arjunas ! Don`t boast .Don`t talk like a beast .Be civilized .
C . L. CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU & MR.CORRECTION ARE ONE SIDE OF A COIN !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
You will be glad to know that I am reproducing two writings of Mr.HH @ Happy Hindu @ Lavnya and Mr.Correction which confirms that these are written by a person . Why do they ( he ) like this ? Why not they( he ) write theirs / his true name(s)/ ? Please read and judge : –
Mr. hh said,( August 22, 2008 @ 9:45 am ),”is there a single word in sanskrit that is used to define itself….when people write things, they do not describe themselves, they describe things around them. Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Persian and African gave to us. How can they – when we Indians are Indo-Persians and African ourselves. Do you think an African will call an African as Black or a Persian will call himself as Thief. Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.”
Mr.CORRECTION said ( August 22, 2008 @ 10:31 am ) ,” Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Muslim from Persia gave to us. When a good many Indians are indo-persians, how can a Persian call himself as Thief, Black or African Habshi.
This shows how degraded the minds of the ones who connoted this meaning are (irrespective of if it were the indian muslims or the present day anti-hindus who cooked this up ).
Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.”
TWO LINES ARE SAME : -( 1 ) Hindu means a thief is a meaning that NOT a single – –
( 2 ) And one Chiefminister even repeates it !!!!!
h said
blog admin,
i think you are moderating comments on this blog. that is fine. but why do some posts disappear after a while and then appear again. is there something wrong in the blog settings?
h said
Chumber-ji,
You have a wonderful level of stupidity.
I have no idea what you mean to convey in your post like this, simply by repeating a correction.
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MR.HAPPY HINDU & MR.CORRECTION ARE ONE SIDE OF A COIN !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
You will be glad to know that I am reproducing two writings of Mr.HH @ Happy Hindu @ Lavnya and Mr.Correction which confirms that these are written by a person . Why do they ( he ) like this ? Why not they( he ) write theirs / his true name(s)/ ? Please read and judge : –
Mr. hh said,( August 22, 2008 @ 9:45 am ),”is there a single word in sanskrit that is used to define itself….when people write things, they do not describe themselves, they describe things around them. Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Persian and African gave to us. How can they – when we Indians are Indo-Persians and African ourselves. Do you think an African will call an African as Black or a Persian will call himself as Thief. Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.”
Mr.CORRECTION said ( August 22, 2008 @ 10:31 am ) ,” Hindu means thief is a meaning that NOT a single Muslim from Persia gave to us. When a good many Indians are indo-persians, how can a Persian call himself as Thief, Black or African Habshi.
This shows how degraded the minds of the ones who connoted this meaning are (irrespective of if it were the indian muslims or the present day anti-hindus who cooked this up ).
Anti-Hindus of India gave these meanings to themselves. And one Chiefminister even repeats it.”
TWO LINES ARE SAME : -( 1 ) Hindu means a thief is a meaning that NOT a single – –
( 2 ) And one Chiefminister even repeates it !!!!!
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You did not go thru the rest of the posts?
Do not ever assume you are the only person who knows to give warnings to others and behave like a depraved bozo.
Nobody is making fun of those poor SCs. We are making fun of You.
You keep asking for my name again and again: I am saving you the hassle of a legal notice since i think it will be too messy for you. I do not live in India and except a battalion of old people (and few young ones on the way out), nobody in my family lives there anymore. That does not mean none of us will come back – atleast i know that i and a few others will return. And we are not cheap to target specific individuals like you since we know there are many-many like you.
If one senile southie sold his soul and brought things to this stage, do not ever assume what a bunch of us cannot do, since we have neither sold our souls nor are senile. And do not ever mistake my preferance for anonymity as any weakness. You have no idea what people can do silently. You are making a mistake by taking people for granted. And making a bigger mistake by mistaking politeness for weakness.
I am asking you for an explanation about the “right to rape” which you go about brandishing as a tool to lure / threaten / use politically to endorse marriages that come from your cheapened sick anti-woman casteist mentality.
Am also asking you about who gave you the right to call a hindu a thief, the right to insult our Gods, the right to trample upon our religious sentiments, the right to insult a specific community, the right to prescribe marriages, the right to throw your weight all around and behave like an insolent nincompoop.
Where are your answers?
mesquiteice said
Chumberji,
so what if same person writes in two names.
Please answer the points raised by HH regarding manusmrity.
Please let us know where the manusmrity give people right to “*APE” a woman.
Based on your comments we will decide about burning manusmrity.
I also read that Friedrich Nietzsche is noted to have said “Close the Bible and open the Manu Smriti. “It has an affirmation of life, a triumphing agreeable sensation in life and that to draw up a lawbook such as Manu means to permit oneself to get the upper hand, to become perfection, to be ambitious of the highest art of living”
C . L .CHUMBER said
I AM NEITHER HITLER NOR ARYAN !!!!! BRAHMANS AND HITLER ARE / WERE ARYANS !!!!!
DEAR VIWERS ,
Mr.Sridhar. K said ( August 23, 2008 @ 5:08 pm ) ,” Chumberji,You are going to be the next Hitler.Good luck.”
My answer is : – The Brahmans and Hitler boast of being Aryans . Late Hitler killed his opponents in gas chambers . And he suicided .The King Rama also killed the aboriginal Indians like Hitler and he also suicided. I am neither Hitler nor Aryans . I hate both !!!!!
h said
I AM NEITHER HITLER NOR ARYAN !!!!! BRAHMANS AND HITLER ARE / WERE ARYANS !!!!!
DEAR VIWERS ,
Mr.Sridhar. K said ( August 23, 2008 @ 5:08 pm ) ,” Chumberji,You are going to be the next Hitler.Good luck.”
My answer is : – The Brahmans and Hitler boast of being Aryans . Late Hitler killed his opponents in gas chambers . And he suicided .The King Rama also killed the aboriginal Indians like Hitler and he also suicided. I am neither Hitler nor Aryans . I hate both !!!!!
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Is this your only answer? Where are the answers for the other question?
Note the following:
1) It does not matter who came from where. We are all Indians. In some way or the other all Indians are “Aryans”. So are you.
2) Ram did not kill any aboriginal Indians.
3) Ram was Narayana and had to go back to merge in water.
4) Everyone in India has the freedom and the right to pratice whatever form of faith they wish to, without interference from any quarter, unless it is a violent form of faith.
5) If Hindusim or brahmins are the reason for poverty and slums, then why is Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc loaded with slums?
6) If people like Chumber-ji want to fight against poverty, everyone is there to support him. But if people like him interefere with our right to practice our faith, then the best place for him to try his “freedom of speech” is Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is free to impose his political version of Adi-Dharm there.
He can also try Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal if anyone there wants to welcome people like him.
7) It is only in India that everyone has the right to express their feelings and this freedom is abused. It is because of this that unknowingly many become stooges to anti-indians, without even being aware of what they are exactly leading to.
h said
Mesquiteice,
i can write under a 100 diff names – i don’t care. Whats in a name?
chumber-ji is the one stuck on names, the individual behind the name, the individual’s caste and so on. He will be like that because he is a politician.
but i want to assure chumberji, that i am a bigger bozo clown than him… heeee-haw…hiya..
😀
Ps – why did the govt ban the name harijan – cannot understand this coz i call myself a haridasi. and of late i am calling my parents harijan.
C . L. CHUMBER said
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu ! I had given the proper reply .Mr.Sridhar K. had no objection .You please concern with your own matter.Are you Sridhar K, or he had authorisd your good self ?
C . L. CHUMBER said
ALL THE HINDU GODS WERE VIOLENT KINGS TO CRUSH THE VAISH ,SHUDRA AND WOMEN UNDER THE DIRECTIONS OF BARBARIAN BRAHMANS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu said ( August 27, 2008 @ 4:21 am ) ,” Where are the answers for the other question? Note the following:
1) It does not matter who came from where. We are all Indians. In some way or the other all Indians are “Aryans”. So are you.
MY ANSWER IS : – The Manu Simrity confirms Brahmans , Kshattriyas and Vaishyas as twice-born people . It did not recognize women and Shudras as twice-born ! If you are Indian , then why you people hate the aboriginal Indians .We are not Aryans foreigners ! Have you any reliable proof ?
2) Ram did not kill any aboriginal Indians.
MY ANSWER IS :- Why are you worshiping the King Rama ? Had you ever read the Valmiki Ramayna`s Uttar Kand in which the King Rama killed an innocent and pious shudar saint Shambuk !!!!! The King Rama implemented the Manu Simrity as dictator that the Brahmans bestowed him a title ” MARYADA PURSHOTAM – THE BEST PERSON OF MANUWADI SYSTEM “.
3) Ram was Narayana and had to go back to merge in water.
MY ANSWER IS : – Dr. Revati Raman in his book ” JATIYA MANOBHOOMI KI TALAASH ” ( Bhartiya Gyanpeeth ,New Delhi , 2005 ) wrote ,” Ram is Asur in the Vedas ! — In the Valmiki Ramayna , there is no link between Vishanu and Ram ! He quoted Dr. Ram Kumar Verma ,” There ( Valmiki Ramayna ) Ram from birth to death is a man not incarnation ( of Vishanu ) ! He also quoted Dr. Ram Vilash Sharma ,” In the Valmiki Ramayna , neither there is any relation between Vishanu and Ram nor Ram is incarnation ,” ( page 23 ).Why did not any other Hindu God went back to merge in water like Ram ?
4) Everyone in India has the freedom and the right to practice whatever form of faith they wish to, without interference from any quarter, unless it is a violent form of faith.
MY ANSWER IS : – NO ONE IN INDIA HAS THE FREEDOM AND RIGHT TO WORSHIP THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS LIVE OR DEAD AS GODS ! ALL THE HINDU GODS AND GODDESSES ARE EXTREMELY VIOLENT !!!!! THEY PARTICIPATED IN WARS AND USED UNETHICAL MEANS TO WON THE WARS . KRISHNA`S GITA IS A ” WAR BOOK ” .RAM KILLED BALI OF KISHKINDHA BY DECISIVE MEANS FOR WHICH HE CONDEMNED RAMA . RAMA WAS MUM ! 5) If Hindusim or brahmins are the reason for poverty and slums, then why is Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc loaded with slums ?
MY ANSWER IS :- They were part and parcel of India until 15th August , 1947. The most of their citizens migrated from present Indian area and are still infected with Brahmanism !!!!!
6) If people like Chumber-ji want to fight against poverty, everyone is there to support him. But if people like him interefere with our right to practice our faith, then the best place for him to try his “freedom of speech” is Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is free to impose his political version of Adi-Dharm there.He can also try Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal if anyone there wants to welcome people like him.
MY ANSWER IS : – I AM INDIAN CITIZEN . WHY DO I GO TO OTHER COUNTRY ? Why do you Hindu people highlight Mrs Taslima of Bangla Desh ? ALTHOUGH I HAVE TWO BROTHERS-IN-LAW , ONE BROTHER AND ONE SISTER-IN-LAW`S FAMILIES IN U.S.A. BUT I NEVER VISITED . WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE FROM BRAHMANISM SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY LIVE LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES .I MAY PREACH MY VIEWS IN EVERY HOOK AND CORNER OF THE WORLD BY WRITING IN ENGLISH . THE ADI-DHARAM PREACHES EQUALITY, LIBERITY,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF THIS UNIVERSE / BE-GAM PURA , UNIVERSE FREE FROM SORROWS .
WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE POVERTY OF EQUALITY , LIBERTY,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE CREATED BY THE MANUWADI MENTALITY !!!!!
7) It is only in India that everyone has the right to express their feelings and this freedom is abused. It is because of this that unknowingly many become stooges to anti-indians, without even being aware of what they are exactly leading to.
C . L. CHUMBER said
WE ARE FIGHTING WITH ANTI-INDIA BRAHMANS WHO STILL ARE ANTI-ABORIGINAL INDIANS .MR.HAPPY HINDU CLAIMS TO BE OBC BUT HE IS THE STOOGE OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMANS , without even being aware of what they / he are exactly leading to. !!!!!
C . L. CHUMBER said
NOW INDIA IS NOT A HINDU COUNTRY , IT IS A CONSTITUTIONALLY SECULAR AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY HAVING ALL ADULTS TO VOTE !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu said ( August 25, 2008 @ 2:21 pm ),”Chumber-ji,The true meaning of all 3 verses above is that those who do not want to accomodate hindu faith should be sent out of the country. They can practice Adi-Dharam in Afghanisthan (central asia) under the Taliban.”.
My answer is : – Mr . Happy Hindu is actually an absent mind person .He do not know that now there is a constitution not the Manu Simrity or any other Hindu scripture`s rule . This confirms that the manuwadis are still not Indians .They think that they live in Hindustan !!!!! His views are illogical . Who is he to ask me to preach Adi-Dharam in Afganistan by leaving India ? His these verses are prooves that how the Brahmans dictated the Kshatriya Kings to rule ! The Adi-Dharam is a Santmat . The Adi-Guruvani of few Adi-Gurus in the Sikhs` Guru Granth Sahib had been declared as ALIVE PERSON by the Indian Supreme Court !!!!!
Mr.Happy Hindu must read the Adi-Dharam`s literature to know the latest modern religion of the world !!!!!
h said
~Mr.H @ Happy Hindu ! I had given the proper reply .Mr.Sridhar K. had no objection .You please concern with your own matter.Are you Sridhar K, or he had authorisd your good self ?!~
Agreed. Am sorry for quoting him and posting a response. Henceforth, i shall respond only to your posts that you direct to me.
h said
~~ALL THE HINDU GODS WERE VIOLENT KINGS TO CRUSH THE VAISH ,SHUDRA AND WOMEN UNDER THE DIRECTIONS OF BARBARIAN BRAHMANS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu said ( August 27, 2008 @ 4:21 am ) ,” Where are the answers for the other question? Note the following:
1) It does not matter who came from where. We are all Indians. In some way or the other all Indians are “Aryans”. So are you.
MY ANSWER IS : – The Manu Simrity confirms Brahmans , Kshattriyas and Vaishyas as twice-born people . It did not recognize women and Shudras as twice-born ! If you are Indian , then why you people hate the aboriginal Indians .We are not Aryans foreigners ! Have you any reliable proof ?
2) Ram did not kill any aboriginal Indians.
MY ANSWER IS :- Why are you worshiping the King Rama ? Had you ever read the Valmiki Ramayna`s Uttar Kand in which the King Rama killed an innocent and pious shudar saint Shambuk !!!!! The King Rama implemented the Manu Simrity as dictator that the Brahmans bestowed him a title ” MARYADA PURSHOTAM – THE BEST PERSON OF MANUWADI SYSTEM “.
3) Ram was Narayana and had to go back to merge in water.
MY ANSWER IS : – Dr. Revati Raman in his book ” JATIYA MANOBHOOMI KI TALAASH ” ( Bhartiya Gyanpeeth ,New Delhi , 2005 ) wrote ,” Ram is Asur in the Vedas ! — In the Valmiki Ramayna , there is no link between Vishanu and Ram ! He quoted Dr. Ram Kumar Verma ,” There ( Valmiki Ramayna ) Ram from birth to death is a man not incarnation ( of Vishanu ) ! He also quoted Dr. Ram Vilash Sharma ,” In the Valmiki Ramayna , neither there is any relation between Vishanu and Ram nor Ram is incarnation ,” ( page 23 ).Why did not any other Hindu God went back to merge in water like Ram ?
4) Everyone in India has the freedom and the right to practice whatever form of faith they wish to, without interference from any quarter, unless it is a violent form of faith.
MY ANSWER IS : – NO ONE IN INDIA HAS THE FREEDOM AND RIGHT TO WORSHIP THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS LIVE OR DEAD AS GODS ! ALL THE HINDU GODS AND GODDESSES ARE EXTREMELY VIOLENT !!!!! THEY PARTICIPATED IN WARS AND USED UNETHICAL MEANS TO WON THE WARS . KRISHNA`S GITA IS A ” WAR BOOK ” .RAM KILLED BALI OF KISHKINDHA BY DECISIVE MEANS FOR WHICH HE CONDEMNED RAMA . RAMA WAS MUM ! 5) If Hindusim or brahmins are the reason for poverty and slums, then why is Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc loaded with slums ?
MY ANSWER IS :- They were part and parcel of India until 15th August , 1947. The most of their citizens migrated from present Indian area and are still infected with Brahmanism !!!!!
6) If people like Chumber-ji want to fight against poverty, everyone is there to support him. But if people like him interefere with our right to practice our faith, then the best place for him to try his “freedom of speech” is Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is free to impose his political version of Adi-Dharm there.He can also try Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal if anyone there wants to welcome people like him.
MY ANSWER IS : – I AM INDIAN CITIZEN . WHY DO I GO TO OTHER COUNTRY ? Why do you Hindu people highlight Mrs Taslima of Bangla Desh ? ALTHOUGH I HAVE TWO BROTHERS-IN-LAW , ONE BROTHER AND ONE SISTER-IN-LAW`S FAMILIES IN U.S.A. BUT I NEVER VISITED . WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY FREE FROM BRAHMANISM SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY LIVE LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES .I MAY PREACH MY VIEWS IN EVERY HOOK AND CORNER OF THE WORLD BY WRITING IN ENGLISH . THE ADI-DHARAM PREACHES EQUALITY, LIBERITY,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF THIS UNIVERSE / BE-GAM PURA , UNIVERSE FREE FROM SORROWS .
WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE POVERTY OF EQUALITY , LIBERTY,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE CREATED BY THE MANUWADI MENTALITY !!!!!
7) It is only in India that everyone has the right to express their feelings and this freedom is abused. It is because of this that unknowingly many become stooges to anti-indians, without even being aware of what they are exactly leading to.
WE ARE FIGHTING WITH ANTI-INDIA BRAHMANS WHO STILL ARE ANTI-ABORIGINAL INDIANS .MR.HAPPY HINDU CLAIMS TO BE OBC BUT HE IS THE STOOGE OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMANS , without even being aware of what they / he are exactly leading to. !!!!!
NOW INDIA IS NOT A HINDU COUNTRY , IT IS A CONSTITUTIONALLY SECULAR AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY HAVING ALL ADULTS TO VOTE !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.H @ Happy Hindu said ( August 25, 2008 @ 2:21 pm ),”Chumber-ji,The true meaning of all 3 verses above is that those who do not want to accomodate hindu faith should be sent out of the country. They can practice Adi-Dharam in Afghanisthan (central asia) under the Taliban.”.
My answer is : – Mr . Happy Hindu is actually an absent mind person .He do not know that now there is a constitution not the Manu Simrity or any other Hindu scripture`s rule . This confirms that the manuwadis are still not Indians .They think that they live in Hindustan !!!!! His views are illogical . Who is he to ask me to preach Adi-Dharam in Afganistan by leaving India ? His these verses are prooves that how the Brahmans dictated the Kshatriya Kings to rule ! The Adi-Dharam is a Santmat . The Adi-Guruvani of few Adi-Gurus in the Sikhs` Guru Granth Sahib had been declared as ALIVE PERSON by the Indian Supreme Court !!!!!
Mr.Happy Hindu must read the Adi-Dharam`s literature to know the latest modern religion of the world !!!!!~~
Since you know ONLY Manusmrithi, I have no answer for you. Infact, now i feel sad for you.
I feel it is better to be a stooge of a family member that i might alternately argue with and be friends with, rather than to salivate at the ones handing out foreign money. I have reasons for my stand in defending the ones that take care of the hindu faith, and i will stand by it. I can assure you that you are being most highly stupid by calling ‘brahmins’ as anti-india.
Thankyou for asking me to read Adi-Dharm literature. Could you suggest some books please, where i cud start?
C . L. CHUMBER said
EVERY INDIAN WHO DO NOT OBEY THE CONSTITUTION IS ANTI-INDIA !!!!!
BRAHMANS WHO WORSHIP BRAHMA , VISHANU AND ITS INCARNATIONS WHO INVENTED AND PROTECTED CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IS ANTI-CONSTITUTION
AND HENCE THE ANTI-INDIA .HE / SHE WILL BE IN FUTURE PUT BEHIND BARS !!
h said
EVERY INDIAN WHO DO NOT OBEY THE CONSTITUTION IS ANTI-INDIA !!!!!
BRAHMANS WHO WORSHIP BRAHMA , VISHANU AND ITS INCARNATIONS WHO INVENTED AND PROTECTED CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IS ANTI-CONSTITUTION
AND HENCE THE ANTI-INDIA .HE / SHE WILL BE IN FUTURE PUT BEHIND BARS !!
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Mr.Idiot,
Do you even know what is in the constitution?
You bark like a rabid dog like a half-baked fool with half-knowledge?
Sure you need a dog tamer.
mesquiteice said
Chumber JI,
DONT LIE
Constitution has not banned Brahma/vishnu etc
As far a CASTE SYSTEM IS CONCERNED you are the one who is protecting the varna system even if every body wants to give up.
Since you seem to understand law so well, you may go and check up with court/police whether TALKING BAD ABOUT OTHERS AND THEIR BELIEFS AND FAITHS which is allowed by the constitution. PLEASE CHECK UP THE LAW AND CLARIFY THE POSITION
posting again said
EVERY INDIAN WHO DO NOT OBEY THE CONSTITUTION IS ANTI-INDIA !!!!!
BRAHMANS WHO WORSHIP BRAHMA , VISHANU AND ITS INCARNATIONS WHO INVENTED AND PROTECTED CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IS ANTI-CONSTITUTION
AND HENCE THE ANTI-INDIA .HE / SHE WILL BE IN FUTURE PUT BEHIND BARS !!
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Mr.Idiot,
You will receive practical lessons on what are constitutional rights.
Do not bark like a rabid dog in the meantime.
You really need a dog tamer, you misleader scumbag.
A Brahmin said
You all fucking dalits,
You wil never be able to conquer the brahmins at any cost. You will be dalits foreever. You dont have brains and that is the reason you people always ask for reservations. And though we the brahmins provide you all the reservations the only thing you can do is the fucking CORRUPTION. After independence, you were the one who were majorly part of all the government departments. That is the reason why indian politics is corrupted and india is still lagging behind. But wait with the imerge of IT, all the talented people that is brahmins are on the top because this require BRAINS – WHICH YOU BLOODY FUCKING PEOPLE DONT HAVE. As you all said you dont want brahmin. A day will come when all the brahmins will be seen settled outside india in US, UK, and elsewhere in developed countries. And Hindustan will be called as Dalitstan. And then you will realize the need of brahmin brains where you will never have it. BRAHMINS ARE THE GREATEST.
raj said
great yaar…………………………..Brahmin the great………………..
h said
A Brahmin,
its not true all non-brahmins consider brahmins the greatest…
no point talking abt specific communities anymore….Let us look forward to a casteless egalitarian society based on meritocracy and equal opportunities for all….
C.L.CHUMBER said
HOW BRAHMANS CAN BE GREATEST WHO WORSHIP RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS MANUWADI CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM ? ? ? ? ? WILL A CULTURED PERSON/ SOCIETY LIKE A RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST ?? ? ? ?
h said
HOW BRAHMANS CAN BE GREATEST WHO WORSHIP RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS MANUWADI CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM ? ? ? ? ? WILL A CULTURED PERSON/ SOCIETY LIKE A RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST ?? ? ? ?
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We do not want politicians and non-hindus to tell us about our religion.
You can pack your bags or you can look elsewhere to find something else to bash to make a political career……hindusim will never fit your bill…..just move it man…move it…anyways you are on the way to being petitioned out.
i j swamy said
I am a Supreme Brahmin . So I can rape dalit girls.I believe in racism .Some races have black skin white teeth and red tongue and like pigs as food .I allow you to eat pigs and meat of dead animals, even cows.You poor pathetic dalits can not afford good food . You need permission to eat dead animals .You don`t have houses. Stay in small huts near cemeteries or burial grounds.Wash yourselves in brackish waters .
A Brahmin said
Well, what I am looking at the same thing. If we are saying that we need castless system, why are there reservations. And why dalits and OBCs are behind it? Please answer me. Babasaheb ambedkar has made it for only 30 yrs so that these fucking idiots will at least come to some level to compete brahmins. After that also they are demanding it to extend. I know the reasons the only thing is dalits have no brains and they are scared that if there is no reservations, the old days will be back. As all brahmins are talented, they will capture all the positions that these fucking idiot people have now with the help of reservations and quota. So they will always demand for same thing — quota quota quota!!!! What say you?
A Brahmin said
Mr. CHUMBER,
You are great sir. You are calling our gods ,RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL!!!! That is fantastic. Who the fuck are you by the way??? The hinduism is the oldest civilization present on the earth. All the things are copied from our culture only. Islam was totally copied from hinduism. Christian was copied as well. And this I am not saying because I am a hindu. It is the fact. In macca madina, there are sculptures of hindu gods and godesses. Christ use the recki and became famous and subsequently god. But this recki is part of our vedas. So don’t even try to blame it. If you are cursing hinduism, you are cursing yourself. Because all the human beings existing on the earth are someway related to hinduism rather I will say sanatan.
happy-h said
A brahmin,
i agree…..
there is a problem here…and many either gloss over or overlook…
there are so-called non-brahmin ppl without reservations who have suffered as well….
rationalists are supposed to be people who do not find any religion good…ppl with communist, etc type of leanings…..but what has happened in reality…
often whereever rationalists denigrated hindu faith….almost immediately you can see an evangelist stepping in to ‘settle things’….
now i see that this hindu-bashing has served the interests of many anti-indians…
who knows this whole reservations things could be one up in the sleeve of these anti-indians……crash down the whole country based on reservations, weaken the military, and then gate-crash into the country….atleast if people like chumber had his way, that’s what the country wud come to…..
..what can you expect from people who praise china, praise colonialists, deride freedom fighters, float a political-version of buddhism, want to be dumb-ed-kar worshippers….and then these people are supposed to indians?
C .L . CHUMBER said
AMBEDKAR @ AMBAWDEKAR WAS A SAINT NOT MANU WAS A SAINT !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Happy Hindu ( Dukhi Ram ) said ( September 11, 2008 @ 6:44 am } ,” now i see that this hindu-bashing has served the interests of many anti-indians
MY ANSWER IS : – We have discussed the Hindu /Indo-Aryan religion`s rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and their caste / varna system .The Indian constitution not only banned the practice of caste / varna system but also compensated the sufferers of this unethical socio-economic system by reserve government posts proportionate their percentage to the population of India so that theirs ( SCs , STs , OBCs ) share may be safe from the manuwadis .What is wrong in it ? We are pro constitutional remedies but you are anti constitutional remedies and brand the reserve catagories as beggars .You are anti- India in true sense and may be put behind bares under sedicious charges !!!!!
( 2 ) who knows this whole reservations things could be one up in the sleeve of these anti-indians……crash down the whole country based on reservations, weaken the military, and then gate-crash into the country….atleast if people like chumber had his way, that’s what the country wud come to…..
MY ANSWER IS : – The resrvation policy is not anti-people policy .The anti-reservationists are anti-constitutional as well as anti-India .They must debared from Indian citizenship because they are indulged in the hands of foreign elements to destablise India .The Brahmans must obey the Indian constitution and burn the Manu-simrity in theirs own minds !!!!!
( 3 ) ..what can you expect from people who praise china, praise colonialists, deride freedom fighters, float a political-version of buddhism, want to be dumb-ed-kar worshippers….and then these people are supposed to indians?
MY ANSWER IS : – Who is praising China ? Who praise colonialists ? You Indo-Aryans are the real colonialists who invented the caste / varna system ! You call Dr. Ambedkar @ Ambawdekar as ” dumb-ed-kar ” ! Was he not freedom fighter of Indians ? His drafted constitution rule the country and he manuwadi call him ” dumb-ed-kar ” .and then these people are supposed to indians?
He ( h said,August 25, 2008 @ 7:04 pm ) ,” MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS “. Adi-Mahaguru had rightly said that the Hindu saints are not saints , they are deceivers of Varanasi . Dr.Ambedkar `s constitution is based on equality , liberity,fraternity and justice .Mr. Happy Hindu ( Dukhi Ram ) has allergy from these equalities that is why he is writting Dr. Ambedkar as ” dumb-ed-kar ” with disrespect and Manu as saint .Therefore Hindu saint is who has believe in Manu-simrity and rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods !!!!! BEWARE OF THE MODERN PERIOD MANUWADI SAINTS WHO ARE ANTI-CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS ANTI-iNDIA !!!!! THEY MUST BE TREATED AS SOCIO-RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS !!!!!!
happyhindu-hh said
MY ANSWER IS : – We have discussed the Hindu /Indo-Aryan religion`s rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and their caste / varna system .The Indian constitution not only banned the practice of caste / varna system but also compensated the sufferers of this unethical socio-economic system by reserve government posts proportionate their percentage to the population of India so that theirs ( SCs , STs , OBCs ) share may be safe from the manuwadis .What is wrong in it ? We are pro constitutional remedies but you are anti constitutional remedies and brand the reserve catagories as beggars .You are anti- India in true sense and may be put behind bares under sedicious charges !!!!!
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If govt has banned varna, then you are indulging in an anti-constitutional activity by indulging in caste-based politics and inciting communal divide.
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MY ANSWER IS : – The resrvation policy is not anti-people policy .The anti-reservationists are anti-constitutional as well as anti-India .They must debared from Indian citizenship because they are indulged in the hands of foreign elements to destablise India .The Brahmans must obey the Indian constitution and burn the Manu-simrity in theirs own minds !!!!!
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Your stupidity is the only thing that shows again and again. Everyone has already burnt manusmrithi, except you.
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MY ANSWER IS : – Who is praising China ? Who praise colonialists ? You Indo-Aryans are the real colonialists who invented the caste / varna system ! You call Dr. Ambedkar @ Ambawdekar as ” dumb-ed-kar ” ! Was he not freedom fighter of Indians ? His drafted constitution rule the country and he manuwadi call him ” dumb-ed-kar ” .and then these people are supposed to indians?
He ( h said,August 25, 2008 @ 7:04 pm ) ,” MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS “. Adi-Mahaguru had rightly said that the Hindu saints are not saints , they are deceivers of Varanasi . Dr.Ambedkar `s constitution is based on equality , liberity,fraternity and justice .Mr. Happy Hindu ( Dukhi Ram ) has allergy from these equalities that is why he is writting Dr. Ambedkar as ” dumb-ed-kar ” with disrespect and Manu as saint .Therefore Hindu saint is who has believe in Manu-simrity and rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods !!!!! BEWARE OF THE MODERN PERIOD MANUWADI SAINTS WHO ARE ANTI-CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS ANTI-iNDIA !!!!! THEY MUST BE TREATED AS SOCIO-RELIGIOUS TERRORISTS !!!!!!
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1) You are an idiot because of your non-sane memory. Please look into your sane memory and be reminded that you are the one that praised the british. Your dalitnation has praised China in its Dalai Lama article.
2) The british invented the varna system as we know it today – go and sue them. They also knew only manusmrithi, just like you.
3) Nobody needs to call a dead man any names. But those who suggest worshipping Ambedkar are dumbedkars ofcourse.
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Foolish people understand what is sedition only after they are charged with it.
C .L . CHUMBER said
RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS CAN NOT BE TRUE GODS .THERE FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO HAVING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST BENT OF MINDS ! YOU MAY CALL YOUR RELIGION ” RAPIST-RACIST-FASCIST-GODS`RELIGION “. !!!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SHAMELESS HAVING WORSHIPING SHAITAN GODS !!!!! YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING A TRUE RELIGION . YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE ARISTOCRATE , ANARCHY AND AUTHORITATIVE RELIGION .YOUR RELIGION IS BASED ON CRUELITY , CORRUPTION ( SEXUAL ) AND COMMUNALISM . yOUR GODS ARE VIOLENT , VIRUS AND VEMON FOR NON-BRAHMANS . YOU ARE THREATENING ME TO ELEMINATE ME PHYSICALLY .THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN ? THEN THE CHARGES OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ON YOUR EVIL GODS WILL BE EVAPORATED ?
YOUR ARROGANCE ENCOURAGES ME THAT I HAVE ARISED THE RIGHT ISSUES WHICH ARE MAIN HURDELS IN THE OVER ALL MENTAL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTRY .I WILL NEVER BE THE STOOGE OF THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! I WILL THROW THE RAPIST , RACIST AND RACIST EVIL GODS IN THE GUTTER BECAUSE WE ABORGINAL INDIANS ARE DETERMINED TO ESTABLISH THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL SPIRIT IN TRUE SENSE . WE WISH TO AVAIL EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE FROM INCEPTION TO ONWARDS .NOTHING ELSE .
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN ! WILL YOU PLEASE DISCARD RAN-CHHOD ( A PERSON WHO FLED AWAY FROM BATTLE FIELD ) AND RANN-CHHOD ( A PERSON WHO DESERTS HIS WIFE ) KRISHNA ? ? ? ? ?
A WORSHIPER OF RAN-CHHOD AND RANN-CHHOD HAVE NO ETHICAL VALUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH ME BECAUSE I HATE RAN-CHHOD AND RANN-CHHOD !!!!!
MR. KARTHIKEYAN ! WHY DID THE HINDUS DISCARDED THE SHIVA`S REAL SON KARTHIKEYAN AND SHIVA`S WIFE PARVATI AND STARTED WORSHIPING PARVATI`S UN-NATURAL SON GANESHA WITH SARASWATI AND LAXMI ? ? ? ? ? ?
jayalatha said
hi i agree with u mr ch… I am a brahmin women and our caste rituals nothing better than animals. What we want is sexual freedom. I think the brahmin women should be allowed to have sex with other castge men especially dalit men then only sexual liberation of brahmin women tkes place.it is better to be a prostitute for dalit man than a wife for brahmin man. this is sincere feelings of brahmin women.please let me know yr opinion
Anand Hosmani said
You are 100% right
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Who told you that hindus discarded parvati and kartikeyan.
As i have told you I dont like to talk about stories. but since you insist
it was Karthikeyan got angry with his father and mother and went away.
hh-hh said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN ! WILL YOU PLEASE DISCARD RAN-CHHOD ( A PERSON WHO FLED AWAY FROM BATTLE FIELD ) AND RANN-CHHOD ( A PERSON WHO DESERTS HIS WIFE ) KRISHNA ? ? ? ? ?
A WORSHIPER OF RAN-CHHOD AND RANN-CHHOD HAVE NO ETHICAL VALUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE WITH ME BECAUSE I HATE RAN-CHHOD AND RANN-CHHOD !!!!!
MR. KARTHIKEYAN ! WHY DID THE HINDUS DISCARDED THE SHIVA`S REAL SON KARTHIKEYAN AND SHIVA`S WIFE PARVATI AND STARTED WORSHIPING PARVATI`S UN-NATURAL SON GANESHA WITH SARASWATI AND LAXMI ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Chumber
Digging out / cooking up conspiracy theories in the world of gods is the only job you do for a living.
I already asked you, but you will not give any answer to my questions.
First you answer those questions (on manusmrithi, law, consotution, legal right, etc) and we will go to your next cooked up stories on Krishna, parvati, Ganesha, etc.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber, more than your babbling your shouting is hurting my eyes. Stop shouting man! Typing in Caps does not drive your useless point. Try and engage in a decent conversation and is logical and accurate with evidence. You seem to be obsessed with rape? What the heck? All you can think of is rape? Please consult a gynecologist, such obsessive repeating of sexual activities in your conversation is a sign of trouble.
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TELUGU ,MAYALAM ,GUJRATI ,MARATHI ,ASSAMESE ,ORRIYA AND PUNJABI !!!!!
IT ISSUED SPECIAL ISSUE ( 1-15 SEPT. 2008 ) ON ” GOONS , COPS ,MAGISTRATES , AND BANKS -THE NEW FACES OF RECOVERY AGENTS .THE MADRAS HIGH COURT DISCOVERS A SHOCKING SUBVERSION OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO HARASS CITIZENS . YOU COULD BE THE NEXT VICTIM !”
SOME OF MY MANUWADI FRIENDS BLAMED THAT I CRITYSIZED THE COURTS . I CRITYSIZED THE CORRUPTION IN COURTS IN GAZIABAD ( U.P.) IN WHICH THE 36 JUDGES INCLUDING ONE SITTING JUDGE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA , 10 SITTING JUDGES OF THE U.P.HIGH COURT ( AND THE CASE IS IN THE SUPREME COURT) .EMBEZLED THE G.P.FUND OF THE GOVT.EMPLOYEES !
I WILL GIVE REPLY IN DETAILS OF THEIRS ( MY MANUWADIS FRIENDS IN E-DIALOGUE ) CHARGESHEET BUT THEY ARE STILL WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM ! CAN THE ANTI-LAW POLICE PERSON / MAGISTRATE ISSUE CHARGESHEET TO OTHERS ? CAN AN UNETHICAL PERSON ISSUE A CHARGESHEET TO ETHICAL PERSON ? THERE IS A LAW OF THE LAND NOT THE LAW OF THE FOREST !!!!! THANKS .
Karthikeyan said
Thanks Chumber Ji for restarting dialogue with me. I will consider this as your written approval that I had been using morally and ethically and legally straight language respecting the spirit of dialogue. But also remember that whatever I had said are true to the best of my knowledge. I never lied. I never read books written by hatred promoters. You know there are numerous books against the religion you cherish too. I don’t read them either. Because they were not written with good intention. It is against Indian constitutional policy of secularism, fraternity and tolerance.
Krishna had promised Duryodhana that he would not participate in actual fight. He only acted as charioteer and advisor to Arjuna. He never had any obligation to fight nor needed to leave battle field. I’d be happy if you could precisely tell about this. Also about desertion of Rumini devi please.
Krishna protected entire gokula’s people and even animals from Indra’s rain by shielding them under Govardhana Giri as umbrella. Why would a person who protects whole lot of people would desert his own wife? Why should I discard such a protector?
And what is the meaning of discarding Lord Karthikeya? Which Hindu discarded Karthikeya? There is an entire Purana (out of 18) dedicated to Karthikeya called Skandha Purana. Every krittika star and shashti thithi are dedicated to Karthikeya. There is even one Skandha Gayathri Manthra. So I don’t think any discarding of Karthikeya happened.
Why do you call Ganesha unnatural? What is nature after all? Isn’t it a heavenly process? Ganesha was created, not born. Is this why you call him unnatural? It is too immature to apply laws of science in mythology. Mythology is a subject for believers, not for critics. What is wrong in worshipping the remover of obstacles.
Please reply without using obscene languages.
A Brahmin said
As already said by H, CHUMBER, you get lost man. We don’t have to talk to a fucking idiot like you. Just get away.
srotbrahmin said
yeah i am sure our brahmin women will fall head over heels for filthy,ugly darkies with no money to be emancipated,go to a matrimnial site and just try to propose to a brahmin.
Is it our fault too that most of u are ugly??
srotbrahmin said
FYI a brahmin woman is 200 times more sensitive about pedigree and family backgrounds than a brahmin male.A few oddities don’t really matter.
C .L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS THE VAIDIK E-DIALOGUE OF VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
SanJam said,
September 21, 2008 @ 8:02 am
I HEREBY PROCLAIM AND DECLARE MR CL CHUMBER TO BE THE ENEMY OF THE STATE, ENEMY OF HUMANITY, THREAT TO NATIONALISM.
MR CHUMBER WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP IN HATEISTAN.
HE REPRESENTS THE SATAN!
CHUMBER = SATAN
HIS ONLY MISSION IS TO SPREAD HATRED!
CHUMBER’S FATHER WAS A RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST, ARSEHOLE!@
and mr chumber, reply with your correct contact address and telephone number.
i wish to drag you to punjab and haryana high court.
i have already submitted the print-outs of many of your outbursts on this blog, and consulted senior lawyers in chandigarh. most of them agree that we can file a case against you under violation of numerous provisions of the constitution.
they have prepared a draft of the legal notice and it must be sent to you through registered post. if you fail to comply, i guess then we can gather your wherebouts from some of the other websites associated with ambedkar.
one thing for sure, you will pay for lack of control of your insane arguments.
Chris Miller said
well…….whr do i begin from……..unlike yesterday, i think Brahmins are the dalits of today which is also a minority by the actual standards……
people who are trying to defend Brahmins here may be somewhr in the states, uk, australia or somewhr and don’t actually give a rat’s ass of what is happnin to their community or for that instance to the country…….so guys seriously u should be arguin on the caucasian issue………..
well as for harijans you don’t have enough brains to be accomodated so that’s allright…….but you should be really proud urselfs….infact i too am proud of intellect leaders like mayavati or ramdas athavle for that instance……..right from their dressing sense to their superintellect speeches………..infact i place them right next to dr. babasaheb ambedkar……… do u keep their pictures among your GODS too ???……you should give that a thought guys………….
well the women issue then……….Brahmin women are beautiful and elegant as both their parents are Brahmins………if the harijans try and infiltrate…… which is highly impossible……………they won’t be as beautiful ……now i don’t want to sound rude n all but yeah you guys stink which is a turnoff…….
btw…….. Mr. chumber stop posting data from different sites as a refrence and get some orignality in your views……..no wonder they call u a moron…….
P.S. Mr. chumber most of the brahmin guys are into IT and stuff, hence be careful, as they might hunt you down and kick your ass for being a wanker !!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
EVERYONE HAS ALREADY BURNT MANUSMIRITI EXCEPT C.L.CHUMBER ! ! ! ! !
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Happyhindu-hh @ Lavnya @ many more said ( September 19, 2008 @ 3:24 am ) , ” Your stupidity is the only thing that shows again and again. Everyone has already burnt manusmrithi, except you.”
He said in response to my views ( C .L . CHUMBER said,September 18, 2008 @ 11:15 am ) under title ” AMBEDKAR @ AMBAWDEKAR WAS A SAINT NOT MANU WAS A SAINT !!!!! ” as below
” MY ANSWER IS : – The resrvation policy is not anti-people policy .The anti-reservationists are anti-constitutional as well as anti-India .They must debared from Indian citizenship because they are indulged in the hands of foreign elements to destablise India .The Brahmans must obey the Indian constitution and burn the Manu-simrity in theirs own minds !!!!! ”
MY( C.L.Chumber ) LATEST ANSWER IN RESPONSE TO MR HAPPY HINDU`s latest view IS : The viewers already know my clear stand on every issue .Now Mr.Happy Hindu has shown his flickering mind by saying Manu as saint as well as burning his Manu-simirity also except me .!!!!! Once he said that everyone is against the rapism , racism and fascism except Chumber .Then why are they abusing me ? If they are against rapism , racism and fascism then why not they join me when i am fighting against the rapists , racists and fascists ? When he claim that everyone had burnt Manu-simiraty then why he declared Manu as saint and dr. Ambedkar as dumb-edkar ?
IT IS TRUE THAT I NEVER BURNT THE MANU SIMIRITY BUT I VISITED WITH MY FAMILY THAT ” KRANTI BHUMI ” AT MAHAD ( MAHARASHTRA ) IN AUGUST 2007 A.D. I PROMISE WITH ALL THAT I AM TRYING MY BEST TO BURN THE MANU-SIMRITY AND OTHER SIMRITIES WITH MANU`S EFFIGY ALL OVER INDIA ON 27TH DECEMBER 2008 ( DR. AMBEDKAR BURNT MANU SIMRITY ON 27TH DEC. , 1929 AT MAHAD ) AND ON JUNE 11-12 , 2009 ONWARDS ( GADHRITE BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA BURNT MANU-SIMIRTY ON 11-12 JUNE , 1926 IN THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL`S FOUNDATION FUNCTION AT HIS ANCESTRAL VILLAGE MUGGOWAL DISTRICT HOSHIARPUR ( PUNJAB ) .THANKS
C .L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE REPLY WITHOUT USING OBSCENE LANGUAGE !!!!!
MR. KARTHKEYAN JI ! I NEVER USED ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . YES , I WROTE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS . THAT IS TRUE .YOU PEOPLE NEVER CONDEMNED THE SANJAM , HAPPY HINDU , ISSAC JEWS AND A NEW COMERS . WHY ? ARE THEY USING AND YOU AS A VIEWER READ THIS OBSCENE LANGUAGE ?
ONE THING IS CLEAR THAT I ENTERED ON 14TH APRIL , 2008 IN DALITNATION DIALOGUE . I READ THE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATORS AND SOME WRITERS THEN I DECIDED TO GIVE A BEFITTING REPLY. THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE WELL. WE WILL EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS UNTIL YOU ARE NOT CONVINCE OR COMPELLED TO DISCARD THESE EVILS !!!!
I WILL GIVE REPLY .BUT I AM WAITING YOUR GOODSELF`S VIEWS ON THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
happihindu said
IT IS TRUE THAT I NEVER BURNT THE MANU SIMIRITY BUT I VISITED WITH MY FAMILY THAT ” KRANTI BHUMI ” AT MAHAD ( MAHARASHTRA ) IN AUGUST 2007 A.D. I PROMISE WITH ALL THAT I AM TRYING MY BEST TO BURN THE MANU-SIMRITY AND OTHER SIMRITIES WITH MANU`S EFFIGY ALL OVER INDIA ON 27TH DECEMBER 2008 ( DR. AMBEDKAR BURNT MANU SIMRITY ON 27TH DEC. , 1929 AT MAHAD ) AND ON JUNE 11-12 , 2009 ONWARDS ( GADHRITE BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA BURNT MANU-SIMIRTY ON 11-12 JUNE , 1926 IN THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL`S FOUNDATION FUNCTION AT HIS ANCESTRAL VILLAGE MUGGOWAL DISTRICT HOSHIARPUR ( PUNJAB ) .THANKS.
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Go ahead and burn any or all smrithi. Who cares whether you do or you don’t.
Yes i feel Manu was a better human being than you politicians. You politicians are not human beings at all in the first place. You are all blood sucking monsters. You divide and further divide and suck blood all the way.
happihindu said
YOU PEOPLE NEVER CONDEMNED THE SANJAM , HAPPY HINDU , ISSAC JEWS AND A NEW COMERS . WHY ? ARE THEY USING AND YOU AS A VIEWER READ THIS OBSCENE LANGUAGE ?
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You Live your Whole Life in Condemning everything, Chumber….i am beginning to laugh at this whole thing again….i mean you are sooo silly and someone like you is a politician, then what must be the posisiotn of those who follow you?
Sanjam said
chumber,, why dont you start crying now? thats the only thing left for you to do.
at onset, you start abusing our gods and our religion and some communities,,
and if we try to reason it out with you, you double your efforts to spew bullshit…
even then,, most of the people who commented here, practiced patience,,, but it would deter you.
then eventually, if i started calling you,, your father,, kanshi ram,, ambedkar as rapist, racist, fascist et al,,, then you start pissing in your pants,,, and shitting in your nappies…
puch puch puch… tsk tsk tsk…. go chumber baby go,,, run to wipe your dirty arse!
lol,,,lmho,,, lmgo!
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
Give evil nothing to resist, they’ll fade themselves. I’m not here to waste my life finding fault with people and their words. But Chumber Ji, from the beginning I regarded you as a socially responsible elder. Naturally I expect your words to be more mature. Not those of others.
How was theirs Vaidik language? Its clear that you had always associating ugly things with Hinduism and Sanaathana dharma. Please refrain from it.
From any book or teaching, learn good things and leave the bad things. Just as you took the right moral from Daksha’s story.
C .L . CHUMBER said
Mr. Karthikeyan learn good things and leave the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods . I am sorry that you and your like minded followers of rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods .What can we expect from these evil Gods`follwers . I think your are religious unethical terrorist .
BEWARE OF UNRELIGIOUS AND UNETHICAL TERRORITS !!!!!
Karthikeyan said
Mr. Chumber Learn good things and remember those who inspired them in you. I am sorry that you and your like minded people are showing hatred to the Gods who inspired valour, righteousness, truthfulness, mercifulness and other good qualities. I think you are immature unethical terrorist.
BEWARE OF IMMATURE AND UNETHICAL TERRORISTS !!!!!
cooldude said
Ambedkar is a fag
He wanted rights for dalits but he married a brahmin to get a trophy wife
Brahmin girls are beautiful and he wanted a taste of it
c.l.chumber said
MANUWADI MINDED ABUSERS MUST BE DISCARDED BY THE DALIT-NATION AS WELL AS BY THE http://DALITNATION.WORDPRESS.COM .
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPYHEM HINDU ! IF YOUR SISTER IS DIVORCED BY HER HUSBAND , THEN YOU WILL FEEL THE SORROWS OF MATA SITA AND MATA RUKAMANI !!!!! MATA SITA PREFERED TO SUICIDE THAN TO ACCOMPANY CRUEL KING RAM !!!!!
happyshemhindu said,
September 26, 2008 @ 9:20 am
Again you profess Mata Sita but without her Ram. Poor mata Sita. How much She must have yearned for Her husband in the forest. But now, even in memories you will seperate them.
Even Rukmani will also feel so bad if you seperate Her from her Krishna. You are creating Divine Divorces and new history.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN IS MATURED AND MANUWADI ETHICAL TERRORIST !!!!!
hindushemhappy said
MR.HAPPYHEM HINDU ! IF YOUR SISTER IS DIVORCED BY HER HUSBAND , THEN YOU WILL FEEL THE SORROWS OF MATA SITA AND MATA RUKAMANI !!!!! MATA SITA PREFERED TO SUICIDE THAN TO ACCOMPANY CRUEL KING RAM !!!!!
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Grow up Chumber. Who cares abt divorces.
A few divorces do not change the GDP of the country.
And staying stuck with your dumbedkar version of history means you might end up in an asylum really.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDUS ! A SINGLE DIVORSE CAN CHANGE THE GDP OF THAT FAMILY !!!!!
Lalita arora said
Change d GDP of whole famlie…haha…..true said sir(c.l.chumber )
let d dogs bark…..!
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, Nobody here is either afraid of me or angry with me. Then how can I be called a terrorist?
On 26h Sep you said I’m an unethical terrorist.
Today, i.e. on 29th you are telling I’m an ethical terrorist.
How can somebody be both ethical and unethical at same time?
[(A —> (B ^ B’)) —> A’ ] — Aristotle’s law.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MANUWADI-ETHICAL MEANS WORST THAN UNETHICAL !!!!!
hinduhappyshem said
MR.HAPPY HINDUS ! A SINGLE DIVORSE CAN CHANGE THE GDP OF THAT FAMILY !!!!!
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To change the GDP of the whole country, then the whole country needs to be divorced…..Grow up Chumber.
hindushemhappy said
MANUWADI-ETHICAL MEANS WORST THAN UNETHICAL !!!!!
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Poor Karthikeyan – such a sweet chap and you go brand him of all people.
Chumber,
Since you love to go around branding people – can you please tell us, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOURSELF?
Sure you can repeat ‘i am saint in plain clothes’, i am this and that…and so on a zillion times…i am in need of a few laughs.
plus, i also just wanna see your state of mind when you answer this question.
thanks.
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
Now every reader knows what Chumberwadi rationality means, what Chumberwadi eqality means and what Chumberwadi parliamentary words mean.
Happy Hindu, so kind of you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MANUWADIS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM BUT STILL MANUWADIS WORSHIP RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND ABUSE ME WHO IS ALSO DEADLY AGAINST THESE EVILS AND EVIL GODS .IS THIS MANUWADI ETHIC NOT WORST THAN UNETHICS ?
HAD MR. KARTHIKEYAN CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS ? HE ENJOYED VERY WELL ! HE EVEN OBJECTED ON MY HEADLINE ” VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ” BUT HE DID NOT CONDEMNED THE ABUSERS ! THAT IS WHY I CALLED HIM MANUWADI-ETHICAL !.
Karthikeyan said
Hello readers,
I’ve made it clear that it is not my headache to keep on condemning and finding fault with people. I also reasoned that “give no resistance to evil, it will go away by itself”. I had always written my impartial views. I never lied.
huh.. I’m a mere mortal. I get tired often. I cannot be in full warmed up state always. I admire Chumber Ji’s steadfast stand in his views, however pointless they may be. Now please readers, don’t label me Chumberwadi because I admired and glorified Chumber Ji. I’m not any “wadi” or “ist”. I’m a socially responsible citizen.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHKEYAN ! INVENTED THE ” CHUMBERWAD ” !!!!!
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!
YOU NEVER CONDEMNED THE IRRATIONALITY , UNEQUALITY WHICH BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS INVENTED , PERSERVED AND GLORIFIED INDO-ARYANS` CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM . YOU EVEN ENJOYED THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE LIKE M/S HAPPY HINDU , SANJAM AND MANY MORE ! THIS CONFIRMS THE FILTHY BENT OF MIND OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL CONTINUE TILL ITS DESTINATION . THE TIME WILL TELL WHO IS TRUE WARRIOR AND WHO IS THE RAN-CHHOD IN THIS ETHICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!! SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
ARE ALL BRAHMANS EX-DACOITS ? ? ? ? ?
h said,
June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. COOLDUDE PROOVED TO BE A DUD !!!!!
cooldude said,
September 26, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Ambedkar is a fag
He wanted rights for dalits but he married a brahmin to get a trophy wife
Brahmin girls are beautiful and he wanted a taste of it
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
hindushemhappy said
ARE ALL BRAHMANS EX-DACOITS ? ? ? ? ?
h said,
June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
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Chumber,
You are an IDIOT. (Why Have you NOT filed a case in court yet. I am waiting).
How Can brahmins be ex-dacoits? To IDIOTS like you, nobody can explain what is a brahmin.
You deserve to be locked up in a mental asylum.
YOU are a dacoit of all spiritual sentiments.
A LIAR LIKE YOU CAN NEVER BE SPIRITUAL.
NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN ANYTHING SPIRITUAL ABOUT ANY RELIGION TO YOU. BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND.
YOUR BRAIN WIRING IS DESIGNED TO BE A LIAR AND A MANIPULATOR.
DO NOT INSULT VALMIKI BY TAKING HIS NAME ON YOUR LIAR LIPS.
hinduhappyshem said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
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Chumber,
I worship Vishnu. You ahev lied thru your teeth above.
YOU ARE A RAPIST OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS.
YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
YOU ARE A MALICIOUS SUB-HUMAN.
YOU ARE A DASTARDLY MANIPULATOR.
YOU ARE A MENTAL RETARD.
GO FILE A CASE MR.DUNMBDKAR.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ ” THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ” OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
( Only in September 1 – 15 ,2008 on https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/#comment-1816 ) .
h said,
September 1, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
I feel it is better to be a stooge of a family member that i might alternately argue with and be friends with, rather than to SALIVATE at the ones handing
out foreign money. I have reasons for my stand in defending the ones that take care of the hindu faith, and i will stand by it. I can assure you that you
are being MOST GIGHLY STUPID by calling ‘brahmins’ as anti-india
h said,
September 4, 2008 @ 7:25 am
Mr.IDIOT,
Do you even know what is in the constitution?
You BARK like a RABID DOG like a HALF-BAKED-FOOL with half-knowledge?
Sure you need a DOG TAMER..
Posting again said,
September 4, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
Mr.IDIOT,
You will receive practical lessons on what are constitutional rights.
Do not BARK like a RABID DOG in the meantime.
You really need a DOG TAMER, you misleader SCUMBAG
( THE SAME MERITORIOUS ABUSES AS OF HAPPY HINDU @ H SEPT.4@7.25A.M. ! ).
A Brahmin said,
September 5, 2008 @ 3:59 am
You all FUCKING DALITS,
You wil never be able to conquer the brahmins at any cost. You will be dalits foreever. You DONT HAVE BRAINS and that is the reason you people always ask for reservations. And though we the brahmins provide you all the reservations the only thing you can do is the FUCKING CORRUPTION. After independence, you were the one who were majorly part of all the government departments. That is the reason why indian politics is corrupted and india is still lagging behind. But wait with the imerge of IT, all the talented people that is brahmins are on the top because this require BRAINS – WHICH YOU BLOODY FUCKING PEOPLE DONT HAVE. As you all said you dont want brahmin. A day will come when all the brahmins will be seen settled outside india in US, UK, and elsewhere in developed countries. And Hindustan will be called as Dalitstan. And then you will realize the need of brahmin brains where you will never have it. BRAHMINS ARE THE GREATEST.
A Brahmin said,
September 11, 2008 @ 5:00 am
. Babasaheb ambedkar has made it for only 30 yrs so that these FUCKING IDIOTS will at least come to some level to compete brahmins. After that also they are demanding it to extend. I know the reasons the only thing is dalits have NO BRAINS and they are SCARED that if there is no reservations, the old days will be back. As all brahmins are talented, they will capture all the positions that these FUCKING IDIOT people have now with the help of reservations and quota.
A Brahmin said,
September 11, 2008 @ 6:00 am
Mr. CHUMBER,
Who the FUCK are you by the way???
happy-h said,
September 11, 2008 @ 6:44 am
who knows this whole reservations things could be one up in the sleeve of these anti-indians……crash down the whole country based on reservations, weaken the military, and then gate-crash into the country….atleast if people like chumber had his way, that’s what the country wud come to……
happyhindu-hh said,
September 19, 2008 @ 3:24 am
Your STUPIDITY is the only thing that shows again and again.
You are an IDIOT because of your non-sane memory.
3) Nobody needs to call a dead man any names. But those who suggest worshipping Ambedkar are DUMBEDKARS ofcourse.
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FOOLISH people understand what is sedition only after they are charged with
it
A Brahmin said,
September 22, 2008 @ 6:30 am
As already said by H, CHUMBER, you get lost man. We don’t have to talk to a fucking idiot like you. Just get away..
Srotbrahmin said,
September 22, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
yeah i am sure our brahmin women will fall head over heels for filthy,ugly darkies with no money to be emancipated,go to a matrimnial site and just try to propose to a brahmin.
Is it our fault too that most of u are ugly??
Srotbrahmin said,
September 22, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
FYI a brahmin woman is 200 times more sensitive about pedigree and family backgrounds than a brahmin male.A few oddities don’t really matter.
Happihindu said,
September 25, 2008 @ 6:35 am
You are all BLOOD SUCKINGMONSTERS .
Happihindu said,
September 25, 2008 @ 8:11 am
Chumber….i am beginning to laugh at this whole thing again….i mean you are sooo silly
Sanjam said,
September 25, 2008 @ 9:38 am
chumber,,
then eventually, if i started calling you,, your father,, kanshi ram,, ambedkar as rapist, racist, fascist et al,,, then you start pissing in your pants,,, and shitting in your nappies…
puch puch puch… tsk tsk tsk…. go chumber baby go,,, run to wipe your dirty arse!
lol,,,lmho,,, lmgo!
Karthikeyan said,
September 25, 2008 @ 4:31 pm
Chumber Ji,
How was theirs Vaidik language?
Cooldude said,
September 26, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Ambedkar is a FAG
He wanted rights for dalits but he married a brahmin to get a trophy wife
Brahmin girls are beautiful and he wanted a taste of it
hindushemhappy said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL CONTINUE TILL ITS DESTINATION . THE TIME WILL TELL WHO IS TRUE WARRIOR AND WHO IS THE RAN-CHHOD IN THIS ETHICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!! SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
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CHUMBER, The problem is you are a Mad Man and an IDIOT.
An idiot like you Cannot Have a Brain.
An Idiot without a brain cannot understand What is a brahmin.
An brainless idiot who cannot understand brahminism is a socially vile narcisst LIAR who loves rape, racism and fascism -as is evident from your obesssion with such words.
Such a socially irreposonsible idiotic narcissist LIAR is to be rejected by the society.
A civilized society does not need evil scum like you who does not want to remove poverty.
If Valmiki were alive today, he would not have written Ramayan. He would have removed evil people like Chumber and become worshipped like Rama or Krishna.
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
Yes, I had to coin such a word, because there is no word in any languages dictionary to describe you. Man you are truly unique. And I didn’t condemn anyone because its not my headache. I’ve told this over and over again. Even one more time if you accuse me for not condemning, then it means you are reading selectively and you are again provoking others to abuse you. This is completely against the ethics of your rational e-dialogue. You cannot provoke somebody and then accuse them of their deeds. They might have executed an action, but you are its root cause. Hope you understand and let the artificial words like “Chumberwad”, “Manuwad” and “Dalit” etc are eradicated from history.
I have one appreciation to you Chumber Ji. This is honest one. I noticed that you’ve used sentence case in your previous comment. This is great improvement. I hope you’ll continue doing so. My heartfelt appreciations.
Dear viewers,
You had been abusing Chumber Ji badly, no matter he deserved or not. Now he has improved his style. Request you all to post your appreciations if any for him.
I know viewers, I’m putting myself in the risk that Chumber Ji might comment in multiple posts with this title:
HURRAH ! MR. KARTHIKEYAN HAS CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
and linking to this reply. Hope you will not be carried away by this usual Chumberwadi tactic.
A Brahmin said
The greatness of hindu gods and godesses is byond your brain you idiot. Go on blabbering all over till the time no one listens to you.
Praveen said
Not only brahmins, all other forward caste people think that intercaste marriages bring bad reputation to their castes. There is nothing wrong if dalits marry forward caste women. Intercaste marriages break the traditional idealism that is being continued in the name of honor and reputation.
Paul Krist said
” ….. Babasaheb by Marrying the doctor brahmin Mai Ambedkar has shown us that even women in Brahmin community is oppressed and the only way they can be saved is to get them out of their jati. Brahmin women are also Dalits in a way. Brahmin women are the biggest victim of Brahmin conspiracy. Manu treats women like filth, even brahmin woman.” ==> What about Muslim women? According to many interpretations of Quran, as well as practices in vogue, Muslim women are treated like animals by the males. Would you ‘Dalit’ guys marry Muslim women, just to implement what you think is Babasaheb’s “message” of need for “liberating” all “oppressed” women, if necessary by conversion to Islam ?
Paul Krist said
While trying to liberate oppressed Brahmin, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, … women through marriage with them, do not be selective to marry only fair skinned and good-looking women. If you do so, your noble aim of ‘liberating’ ‘oppressed’ women will not be seen what you meant it to be, and wil be construed only as an act borne out of carnal desires heightened by looking at fair skinned women with well-developed sexual parts.
krishindshuem said
Dear viewers,
You had been abusing Chumber Ji badly, no matter he deserved or not. Now he has improved his style. Request you all to post your appreciations if any for him.
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Kartikeyan,
Forgive me. I am not able to post appreciation for Chumber.
If he had said he is working for betterment of all, to remove poverty, build better roads infrastructure, create a better country – then yes, we wud have appreciated him much.
But he himself has made it clear that proving gods as rapist is his top priority. He does not care about other things. He cannot care because he DOES NOT have the ability to work for it.
Making politics and weaving conspiracy stories about hindu gods is the only capability he has. And with that dumbedkar capability he claims to be a Statesman!
Do we need politicians like him?
If Valmiki or Ambedkar had removed people like Chumber from mainstream society and locked him up in a mental asylum, then i wud have worshipped both Valmiki and Ambedkars as gods. And such loonies like Chumber actually are leaders with followers?
What sort of a man is Chumber? He calls freedom fighters as communal people, Praises the british colonialists, Misquotes the Gita and Manusmrithi, Calls his Muslim friend as Zindabad, Defends a given point in Islam (Muhammad-Ayesha), Lies repetedly, is stuck with a few points in his limited brain, will keep calling himself as aboriginal indian even though he knows himself he is not a aboriginal indian…
If one were to check on the hypocritical double-standard statements Chumber has given (like – i am not against hindusim but society must discard rapist racist fascist gods), then he clearly comes across as a Mad Man. Only a Mad Man can make such statements.
He claims to be a Adi-Dharmi but I do not buy it. There are no Adi-dharmis who insult hindusim like Chumber.
Sorry, i have nothing nice to say about him. Similarly, Chumber will have nothing nice to say about my depraved behavior here either. No point in asking either of us.
To deal with a politician like him, one need to get a politically active unit like RSS involved in handling him. Mere petitioning by us common folk is not enuf.
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan said
PRAVEEN : “Not only brahmins, all other forward caste people think that intercaste marriages bring bad reputation to their castes. There is nothing wrong if dalits marry forward caste women. Intercaste marriages break the traditional idealism that is being continued in the name of honor and reputation.”
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Adult individuals of opposite sexes have a fundamental right to choose a life partner according to their perceptions and preferences which may be dictated by criteria based on economic as well as physical considerations. Under law, which is essentially the same universally, though with some local changes as regards age, cultural traditions, religion professed, etc. People cannot be illegally forced with choices nor fraudulently made to accept a choice in a manner infringing these rights. Law, howeger, is manmade. Natural selection which is a scientific theory as per Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and Survival of the fittest, which is a principle essentially of economics, operate inexorably. Caste, religion, classification under educational, economic, or other factors, operate within each adult’s mind. There is a rebellious element in each individual, by which he/she may try to break these barriers which condition his/her final choices despite preferences. Wisdom demands that unless one is totally convinced and confident of one’s strength (or fitness) to cope with the consequences of one’s choice, one must always respect the limitations placed by the divisions. Or else one may be inviting a whole life of unhappiness and misery. One must consult one’s own self or innermost self and make the choice so as to decide whether the path one chooses is going to keep him/her in all future. Without oneself being blissful inward, one cannot attempt at becoming a model for society or a section of it. Social reformers’ wisdom may (or if politically inspired, will not) be valid only on a group basis. As I have said elsewhere on this website, broad patterns of grouping of people have resulted according to the inborn characteristics (manual, muscular, intellectual, spiritual inclination) which are not entirely genetic nor hereditary. Thus, for instance, a rare, outstanding gem is borne in an intellectually inferior group, but the members of the group cannot follow that individual as their model.
Paul Krist said
Mr/Ms HINDUSHEMHAPPY :”MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY. BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL …” ==>> I sampled at random what you as well as your ‘supporters’ and ‘adversaries’ have written on these pages. What is said is a means to an end, an objective. The objective of whatever one say, according to a beautiful Vedic wisdom, is THE GOOD OF INDIVIDUAL WITHIN THAT OF THE SOCIETY BEING SERVED, and not even the empirical truth or untruth of it. WIth this guidance, which no man in his senses can dispute or doubt, just because it is said in the Vedas^, I wish to say this to you as below [ ^ the same things may be said in the Bible, Quran, … , as well ! I have not read any of these, except gists of them, whereas friends like Chumber have given reproductions of bare translations of Manu smriti in tampered forms , or forms that change with time, ]
Racism, ‘rapism’, and other -isms that you have enumerated for a sample, are the bane of all ages and of all places under the sun. It has been so, it will remain so, since humans are human, as also – please NOTE : EVEN THE GODS OR THEIR MESSENGERS, MESSIAHS, PROPHETS, AVATARAS, … TOO, BEING JUST IMAGES OF GOD OR HIS EMISSARIES, CONCEIVED IN MAN’S IMAGE OF GOD ARE HUMAN. [To the faithfull of each of the religions, these entities are, however, endowed with diviniity and it will be blasphemy to speak of them as ‘just’ human images. In reference to Hinduism, you tell so many tales/ episodes from texts, often with a colouring of yours, so as to emphatically make it out that they prove Hinduism’s God/ gods are evil entities, devils, with vile and vicious purposes, etc. My dear HINDUSHEMHAPPY, I do NOT intend to consider or counter you on, each and every such tale with colour added. To do so is not worth the while, even though I have read a lot, lot about such tales of all regions and religions ; many opposing religious exponents have painted their respective religions as THE TRUE ones, and the others THE FALSE ones, and the respective SAINTS/ PROPHETS/ MESSIAHS as THE TRUE ONES and those of the other religions as FAKES. Such True-Fake claims are themselves made by the SAINTS/AVATARAS/ … of the religions themselves.
The one and the only moral for a sane person, at this age and time, is to take a broad view of ALL religions, go their essentials, and use them, and BE RELIGIOUS, MEANING, FOLLOW THE ETHICAL, MORAL, AND SPIRITUAL CODES, DOVETAILING INDIVIDUAL GOOD TO COLLECTIVE WELFARE. And there SHALL BE NO HARM DONE AS A RESULT OF FOLLOWING THESE ESENTIALS, EVEN IF REJECTING THE FORMS AND INSTITUTIONS INTENDED TO CONVEY THOSE ESSENTIALS , IF YOU CAN CHOOSE. And not to denigrate the native religion/s due to indoctrination by aliens. Please read some sample of the teachings of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda. They have themselves put Hinduism in a comparative perspective [not on a verse for verse basis, though], and found that ALL RELIGIONS LEAD TO THE SAME GOAL, when they are shorn of the tales and episodes which are more often misunderstood by the followers as well as their preachers.
Going by a sample of what you [and your likes] have written on these web pages, I tend to think that there is this casteism uniquely making Hinduism a devil’s idea, and so on, and further, you have given pointed narrations of incidents from current Indian scene to illustrate the horrors of injustice to the group of Dalit castes. Well, to attribute ‘uniqueness’ to Hinduism, is utterly stupid. It is there in all societies professing one or another, or more, of different religions. The is no mention of caste, Varna in the other religions, but well, there are names like sects, denominations, and so on. Even whole lineages exist, though they may not follow what is connoted by the names of lineage: such as Carpenter, Smith, … in Christianity; or Narialwala, Damodiwala, Dalal, … in Parsi religion. And what about those INFIDELS of Christianity – to be burnt, turned over to Hell, etc., does that name correspond to Hindu CHANDALAS ? The inter-sect terrorism in Islam is well known as a huge deadly force even in these modern times. And how about those INFIDELS of Christianity who were tortured, burnt, ….., and what about those whom the JIHAD OF ISLAM targets for neat liquidation ? And you still want to only single out HINDUISM ?
But yes, we must treat them essentiall as institutions which were held as vital part of religion IN THE PAST, which does not mean, they are eternal truths of any religion. Each religion has its essentials which are NOT what at least the superficial look of its historical institutions and practices illustrate.
The Dalit cause has been taken up especially since Mahatma Gandhi’s days and also by Dr BALASAHEB AMBEDKAR and possibly a few others in different parts of India. This cause needs to be supported by all of us, but the Dalits themselves will not be helping themselves a wit better by denigrating a whole religion and everything it stands for, and has produced even in the form of champions of various benevolent social causes. WHILE IT IS NOT BAD FOR ANY SECTION OR CLASS TO STAND GUARD AGAINST INJUSTICE BY SOCIETY AT LARGE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY THAT IT ADOPT POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS OF ACHIEVING JUSTICE, AND AVOIDING ANY MEANS WHICH GENERATES ANIMOSITY AND HATRED AND EVEN VIOLENCE BETWEEN SECTIONS. Class wars are totally anachronistic, simply because everywhere the planet is overcrowded, and the impact of destruction, violence arising from hatred and animosity will be too grave, to be of any justiication for the acts of the champions of causes.
Karthikeyan said
HappyHindu Ji,
Chumber Ji didn’t even maintain sentence case for one day. By the time anyone would even recognise anything good in him, he’s going back to his usual Chumberwadi ways.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION INSTEAD OF ABUSING ME ? ? ? ? ?
MR . HAPPY HINDU ! ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A SAGE OR DACOIT BELONGING TO VALMIKI TRIBE OR BRAHMAN ? ? ? ? ?
hindushemhappy said,
October 2, 2008 @ 9:23 am
MR . HAPPY HINDU ! ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A SAGE OR DACOIT BELONGING TO VALMIKI TRIBE OR BRAHMAN ? ? ? ? ?
h said,
September 5, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Chumber, i too am from a Valmiki tribe admiture.- –
NOBODY REMEBERS VALMIKI AS ANYTHING ELSE BUT A SAGE. Nobody is branding nobody. Yes, he is a Sage. He is divine.
h said,
June 4, 2008 @ 9:42 am
Valmiki was a Kirata and from the Bhil hunting tribe and a dacoit BEFORE he became a brahmin.
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber Ji,
I’m an atheist. If there is one thing i wish, i wish there was no Hinduism, Christianity or Islam. Guess what? Its not happening in your or my lifetime. Even though our country is a secular country, our culture revolves around the Hindu religion all of the time. Our civilization is Hinduism based and so is our morality and attitude.
Hindu’s will NOT pack their bags and go anywhere in this country. If its someone that needs to pack their bags and go, its hate mongers like you who want to keep BEGGING for reservations in everything. You beg Narayanamurthy, you beg Premji, you would lick the cunt of any man who would give you a free fucking seat in any place despite your lack of talent and capability to earn it yourself.
The problem in our nation is PRIMARY EDUCATION. None of the public schools run by this government for the past 60 years have been on standards comparable to even the most filthiest primary school. Why do i see no dalit fighting for increasing the quality of primary education in public schools?
The drop out rate in rural public schools is as high as 73% as per the 2004 statistics run by Gramalaya. In the cities its about 40 – 45%.
If we can establish quality primary education then all of our children will be on the same level playing field. Dalits, Brahmins, Christians, Muslims, Sikh, Parsi, you name it.
hindushemhappy said
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION INSTEAD OF ABUSING ME ? ? ? ? ?
MR . HAPPY HINDU ! ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A SAGE OR DACOIT BELONGING TO VALMIKI TRIBE OR BRAHMAN ? ? ? ? ?
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
I already explained enough about what and who is a brahmin, what are tribes, how tribes admixed, how castes were formed, etc.
But explaining anything to you is like pouring precious spring mineral water down a drain.
Politicians like you do not have the right to ask not to be abused. What sort of a man will say “you are abusing me because i am a sc”….you are that type of a dastardly guy (dastard = malicious coward).
You are cheap enough to brand religions, reciprocate Sanjam’s type of sick language, brand other posters like Kartikeyan as terrorist, and on top of that you narcissist can actually call yourself a statesman…And people like you ask not to be abused?
Idiots like you can be left alone if you were just another guy on the streets. But unfortunately your job is to tour and tear down the country by inciting communal divide. You need to be locked up in a mental asylum by the law. Mad people like you should not ask questions; because you already know your dumbedkar-politician brain wiring is not designed to understand such things.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WILL THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND HATE MONGERS INVENTERS , NOURISHERS AND DEFENDERS OF THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM OR THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS SUFFERERS OF THESE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS HAVE TO PACK THEIR BAGS ? ? ? ? ?
Dilip Muralidaran said,
October 6, 2008 @ 7:40 am
Chumber Ji,
Hindu’s will NOT pack their bags and go anywhere in this country. If its someone that needs to pack their bags and go, its hate mongers like you who want to keep BEGGING for reservations in everything.
h said,
September 10, 2008 @ 11:06 am
We do not want politicians and NON-HINDUS to tell us about our religion.
You can pack your bags or you can look elsewhere to find something else to bash to make a political career……hindusim will never fit your bill…..just move it man…move it…anyways you are on the way to being petitioned out
C . L . CHUMBER said
ONLY A CULTURED INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU MR./MRS.” A BRAHMIN ” KNOWS THE GREATNESS OF HINDU GODS BY CALLING OTHERS IDIOT !!!!
A Brahmin said,
October 3, 2008 @ 3:50 am
The greatness of hindu gods and godesses is byond your brain you idiot. Go on blabbering all over till the time no one listens to you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WAS LAKSHAMAN MARRIED OR UNMARRIED ? ? ? ? ?
Dea Viewers ,
Mr M. R. Yardi in his book ,” The Ramayna : Its Origin and growth ” wrote ,”
But before we proceed to discuss the character of Rama , it is proposed to deal with certain episodes which seem shocking to the modern mind . These are , in their chronoligical order , the killing of Tarhaka , the mutilation of Surapnakha , killing of Vali , ordeal of fire by Sita , her later repudiation by Rama and the killing of Shambuka . ” ( pages 129-130 ).
He continued ,” Rama tells her ( Surapnakha ) that as he has already a wife , she should court his younger brother who is unmarried , akarhtadara . Commentator Naagojibhatta defends this untruth by saying that a fib told in jest does not attract blame . All that one can say is that this jok was carried too far , as it ended in the mutilation of a woman whose only fault was that she had become enamoured of the two youths .” ( page 130 ).
MY VIEWS ARE :- THE INDO-ARYAN HINDU GOD RAM WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SO CALLED ABDUCTION OF SITA BY RAVNA .WHY DID HE TOLD A LIE THAT LAKASHMAN WAS A BACHELOR WHEN LAKASHMAN WAS MARRIED TO SITA`S SISTER ALONG WITH RAMA !!!!! WHEN LAKSHAMAN WAS MARRIED THEN WHY HINDU GOD RAMA SUGGESTED SURAPNAKHA TO MARRY LAKASHMAN ? WHY DID NOT LAKSHAMAN REFUTE RAMA`S STATEMENT ? WERE THESE ONE LIE AND ONE SUGGESTION OF RAM AND LAKASHMAN`S SILENCE NOT THE THREE FOUNDATION STONES OF RAMA AND RAVAN ENIMITY WHICH RESULTED IN RAVAN AND HIS DYNASTY`S END AS WELL AS THE BANISHMENT OF SITA BY RAMA AND SUICIDEL END OF BOTH RAM AND SITA .ULTIMATELY RAM`S PHYSICAL AND ETHICAL DEMISE .AM I WRONG ?
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
The relevant Sanskrit sloka in Valmiki Ramayan, Aranyakanda, is –
anujaH tu eSa me bhraataa shiilavaan priya darshanaH |
shriimaan akR^ita daaraH ca lakSmaNo naama viiryavaan || 3-18-3
Here ‘akR^ita daaraH ca’ means not made wife [or not brought wife] and that can mean ‘not with wife now’ – he is single now. So Rama was just talking jovially to Surpanakha to ward her off from himself and Sita.
May be it is historically true or untrue; may be just fiction; but it does not mean that Rama told a lie to Surpanakha. And in that situation even telling a lie is not bad. There are many instances in life when telling a lie is better than telling any unpalatable truth and sometimes it becomes essential to tell a lie to save one’s life etc. And in sexual matters telling lies is quite common.
The very fact that Valmiki a boya (hunter caste) could eventually become a Brahmin shows that Brahmin-dom was not based on ethnic origin. In those days various castes people by several contrivances could become brahmins or kshatriyas etc. So varna system was different from jati (caste} system. Later on things changed. Gradually jati system took precedence and became ossified and more orthodox.
mesquiteice said
I agree with dilip muralidharan.
why should we support beggars in our country.
We should support hard work.
Lazy fellows and people who want to get things free as a matter of right can never understand the value and happiness that comes by hardwork and effort. I would allow beggars to beg as much as possible because they will never understand hardwork / happiness unless they give up begging/laziness.
I only feel bad that our brothers and sisters are not able to understand the feeling of working for achievement. They want to talk bad about others and preach hatered. However whatever happens they are our brothers and sisters. I hope that these lazy fellows understand the importance of hardwork not only for their monetary benefit but also for their intellectual benefit.
If they choose to continue begging , its upto them and they will waste all their life begging.
No great person has been a beggar. A beggar can never be great.
People have to be treated equally or continuous healthy development.
I have read of a philosophy of alwars who said “a place enough to allow one man to sleep is enough for two people to sit and a place enough to allow two people to sit is enough for three people to stand”
This message given many centuries back seems to be the panacea for collective growth.
Whereas it is a pity that the message of “LOVE” time and again preached by the Christ, Buddha are being lost and what keeps emerging again and again is “HATERED” being preached by persons like Dalitnation
Probably One Christ and one Buddha were not enough to spread the message of “LOVE”, when there are so many HATEMONGERS around.
LOVE BEGETS LOVE, HATE BEGETS HATE
Dilip Muralidaran said
“WILL THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU WORSHIPER”
Chumber,
Either you are blind or you are an idiot. I told you already am an atheist. How freaking insulting it is you classify me as a vaidik worshiper. Which school did you go to? Can you read, understand and interpret simple english correctly?
Karthikeyan said
Rama said Lakshmana is without wife, meaning he is far away from his wife. Doesn’t mean Lakshmana was bachelor.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! WHY DID LAKSHMAN LEFT HIS WIFE AT AYODYA FOR 14 YEARS ? YOUR ANSWER IS ILLOGICAL AND UNETHICAL ! DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW LAKSHMAN TO MARRY WITH SURAPNAKHA ?
LAKSMAN`S WIFE WAS ALSO FAR AWAY FROM HIS HUSBAND ! DID SHE ALSO ACT LIKE LAKSMAN ? YOUR THINKING IS MALE DOMINANT .RAMA SHOULD ALSO GAVE PROOF OF HIS PURITY AT SRI LANKA ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. DILIP MURLIDARAN ! I AM NEITHER BLIND NOR IDIOT .!
YOU ARE NEITHER ATHEIST NOR ETHICAL !!!!!
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber,
When i specifically told you im an atheist you call me vaidik worshipper. That is proof you are either blind or an idiot. Show me PROOF that im not atheist.
shehindhapmuppy said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! WHY DID LAKSHMAN LEFT HIS WIFE AT AYODYA FOR 14 YEARS ? YOUR ANSWER IS ILLOGICAL AND UNETHICAL ! DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW LAKSHMAN TO MARRY WITH SURAPNAKHA ?
LAKSMAN`S WIFE WAS ALSO FAR AWAY FROM HIS HUSBAND ! DID SHE ALSO ACT LIKE LAKSMAN ? YOUR THINKING IS MALE DOMINANT .RAMA SHOULD ALSO GAVE PROOF OF HIS PURITY AT SRI LANKA ?
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
1) Lakshman gave a sacrifice as big as Ram by leaving His wife Urmila at Ayodhya and accompanying Ram to forest. You do not know Ramayan but you want to make politics out of it.
2) Go to Yama Bhagvan. Tell him you want to meet Ram. He will give you address. Then you go to Vaikuntam and ask Him proof of purity at Sri Lanka.
3)
Give proof that you are not bothered about promoting yourself as politician.
Give proof that you are not illogical and unethical.
Give proof to disallow a lobotomy to be performed on you by court’s order.
Give proof that you are genuinely concerned about the poor by giving away all your wealth to them.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WILL SUBMIT YOUR PRO RELIGIOUS STATEMENTS .YOUR BEHAVIOUR IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .YOUR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THESE EVIL PEOPLE . MIND YOUR LANGUAGE , PLEASE .
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHERE IS MR. HAPPY HINDU ? ? ? ? ?
WHY NOT HE REPLY ? WHY MR./MRS.DAKRISHNASI REPLY INSTEAD OF MR. HAPPY HINDU ? IS HE NOW RAN-CHHOD ? IS HE IN HOSPITAL ? IS HE RESEARCHING ON LATEST VADIK ABUSES ?
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
Rama was merciful, but you are expecting too much from him. Surpanaka was approaching Rama with lust. Lust, just like Chumberwad, cannot be corrected by polite conversation. Still Rama spoke politely to her and declined her offer of wifehood. He temporarily directed her to his brother just in order to deviate her from himself. This was a tactic used by Rama to protect his austerity and pure love to Sita. So he doesn’t seriously recommend Lakshmana to marry Surpanaka.
Even Lakshmana talks to Surpanaka in polite and intelligent manner for long declining her lustful approach. Surpanaka’s episode is often described as been written for adding humour (haasya) to the epic. In this episode, Rama and Lakshmana deviate Supanaka from each other to the other and it is comedy.
But after sometime Surpanaka turns hostile and approaches Sita offensively to attack. Rama stops Surpanaka and orders Lakshmana to amputate her. Lakshmana who was already enraged by Surpanaka’s act of trying to attack Sita, jumped into action and completed his duty as follower of Rama’s commands.
Lakshmana’s duty in exile was to serve Rama and Sita, which would be impossible in case Urmila (Lakshmana’s wife) had accompanied him. That’s why he left her in Ayodhya.
Rama need not have to prove his purity because he was in the company of his brothers/friends/sages all the time in exile. But Sita was in the forcible possession of lustful wicked demon. She was in the midst of all stranger men for several years. So she was required to prove her purity. Clear?
shhhapinendupy said
WHERE IS MR. HAPPY HINDU ? ? ? ? ?
WHY NOT HE REPLY ? WHY MR./MRS.DAKRISHNASI REPLY INSTEAD OF MR. HAPPY HINDU ? IS HE NOW RAN-CHHOD ? IS HE IN HOSPITAL ? IS HE RESEARCHING ON LATEST VADIK ABUSES ?
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Please read the post which i already made ( i am waiting for you to file with the police that people abused you on dalitnation blog. Let the police investigate this blog, When we petition we will need to use police info on this blog’s owner and people like you. Or ask this blog owner to give his name and address. Even you have not given your postal address. Do not talk abt being ran-chod like a true dumbhead, go file a case then talk, otherwise accept you are a coward) :
After i post, the message repetedly comes “discarded”. I have the need to post under different names. You ask your dalitnation why they are blocking my postings, then i will write only under one name.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHY DID LAKASHAMAN ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS WIFE URMILA ?
shehindhapmuppy said,
October 8, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
” Mr.Dumbedkar,
1) Lakshman gave a sacrifice as big as Ram by leaving His wife Urmila at Ayodhya and accompanying Ram to forest. You do not know Ramayan but you want to make politics out of it.”
MY VIEWS ARE : – LAKSHAMAN DID SACRIFICE OR URMILA ? WAS LAKSHAMAN BANISHED BY HIS FATHER ( ? ) DASRATH ? WHY DID HE ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS WIFE URMILA ? I KNOW THE RAMAYNA VERY WILL ! I WILL CHURN IT !
YOU PLEASE USE CIVILISED LANGUAGE .I DO NOT MIND YOUR LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE ADDICTED TO ABUSES !
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! RAVAN WAS NOT LUSTFUL ! HE HAD A GOOD CHARACTER THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT RAPED SITA EVEN IN HIS CUSTODY .BUT RAMA BANISHED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA .WHY ? RAMA HAD NOT DONE JUSTICE TO HIS WIFE !
Karthikeyan said,
October 8, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Chumber Ji,
Rama need not have to prove his purity because he was in the company of his brothers/friends/sages all the time in exile. But Sita was in the forcible possession of lustful wicked demon. She was in the midst of all stranger men for several years. So she was required to prove her purity. Clear?
C . L . CHUMBER said
SITA DARED TO ACCOMPANY RAMA DURING HIS BANISHMENT BUT RAM COULD NOT DARE TO ACCOMPANY SITA DURING HER BANISHMENT !!!!!
LAKSHMAN WAS A CRUEL BROTHER-IN-LAW WHO DID NOT DARE TO TELL SITA ABOUT HER BANISHMENT IN ADVANCE !!!!!
Karthikeyan said,
October 8, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
Chumber Ji,
Lakshmana’s duty in exile was to serve Rama and Sita, which would be impossible in case Urmila (Lakshmana’s wife) had accompanied him. That’s why he left her in Ayodhya.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ” SHHHAPINENDUPY ” ? ? ? ? ?
shhhapinendupy said,
October 10, 2008 @ 2:51 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
MENTALLY RETARDED VAIDIK PEOPLE ABUSE EVERY TIME .BEWARE OF UNCULTURED ABUSIVE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
hindushemhappy said
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ” SHHHAPINENDUPY ” ? ? ? ? ?
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Chumber, have you heard of an Anagram?
If you are so bothered abt other’s identities, first you give you address. Then ask this malicious cowardly blog owner to give his name and address. Then you talk. Otherwise just buzz up.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
You said “MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
My answer: Simple. 1) Nobody believes in stories of hatered and fault finding
2) We respect others beliefs. We dont want disturb them
3) We dont want to hate each other based on stories
By the way the thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.
There are stories that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old!.
Are you telling that we should talk bad about the prophet based on a false story like the above. You should be ashamed to talk bad about the prophet because all Muslims believe that Muhammad was sinless in the sense of transmitting the revelation.
I would rather believe that he was a good person rather than a bad person, because there are so many people who believe he is good. One insane guy writing bad things cannot defeat the faith of all our muslim brothers and sisters.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ARE VEDAS , PURANAS ,RAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA FICTIONS ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Mesquiteice said ( October 14, 2008 @ 12:57 pm ) ,” Chumber,You said “MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER .”
My ( Mr.Mesquiteice ) answer: Simple. 1) Nobody believes in stories of hatered and fault finding .
MY ( C. L. CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS ALSO SIMPLE : ARE VEDAS , PURANAS , RAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA FICTIONS ? ? ? ? ? WHO DID WRITE , DEFEND , GLORIFY THESE HATERED AND FAULTED STORIES ? THEN WHY DO THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS RECOGNIZE THESE LITERATURE AS THEIR HOLY BOOKS ? ? ? ? ?
2) We respect others beliefs. We dont want disturb them .
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER )ANSWER IS ;- I ALSO RESPECT OTHERS BELIEFS BASED ON ETHICS !!!!! WE ARE AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
3) We dont want to hate each other based on stories
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER : – WE ALSO DO NOT HATE OTHERS .WE HATE THE EVILS AND THE PERSONS WHO WORSHIP , GLORIFY AND DEFEND THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! DO YOU NOT HATE THE EVILS AND THE PERSONS WHO WORSHIP , GLORIFY AND DEFEND THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? OR DO YOUR GOOD SELF LOVE THE EVILS AND THE PERSONS WHO WORSHIP , GLORIFY AND DEFEND THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ` PARENTS AND FOREFATHERS TRAINED HIM IN VEDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE THAT IS WHY HE NEVER WRITE A PARAGRAPH WITHOUT ABUSES !!!!! I THINK HE SPEAK THE SAME ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WITH HIS ELDERS AND YOUNGERS ALSO !!!!! BEWARE OF INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU ABUSERS !!!!!
SanJam said
chumber,
lakshman didnt get his wife along so that he could screw your mum or sisters!
got it?
if you havent, you gotta do some serious questioning around ur den,,, or also check out some ripped clits///
tada 😉
lavanya said
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ` PARENTS AND FOREFATHERS TRAINED HIM IN VEDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE THAT IS WHY HE NEVER WRITE A PARAGRAPH WITHOUT ABUSES !!!!! I THINK HE SPEAK THE SAME ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WITH HIS ELDERS AND YOUNGERS ALSO !!!!! BEWARE OF INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU ABUSERS !!!!!
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Chumber,
I have stopped using abusive language for you. Because now i pity you. Even abuses cannot make you file a case. You are full of empty threats and lies.
You are nobody to tell me what language i use where. You are the only person with whom i have used this level of abusive language ever so far. i thot you are the type that only understands the language of aggression. But now i have understood that you are mad.
Btw, did you parents and forefathers teach you to repeat Sanjam’s type of sick language?
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
you answered one part of my post. Do you agree with the other part also about the prophet and ayisha and do you feel that the prophet muhammed was a bad person.
I will post my answer after your views on prophet.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. MESQUITEICE !
ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO APPRECIATE MY RATIONAL STEAD FAST STAND AGAINST ON RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE TO CONDEMN SEVERLY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS !!!!! IT IS SHAMEFUL THAT THE HAPPY HINDUS TYPE ILLOGICAL VAIDIK PEOPLE ABUSE ME WITHOUT ANY REASON . BUT I AM PROUD OF MYETHICAL STAND !!!!!
mesquiteice said,
October 15, 2008 @ 8:35 am
Chumber,
congrats on your improvement.
You have now started to see good things in a person who the whole world feels to be bad?
You have now understood that nobody is bad and even bad people are good.
I like this and is appreciated.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Firstly your stand is not rational because you are basing your hatred based on stories. rationality requires reasons.
It it funny that you claim others to be without reason and logic.
Please think before you can speak.
Please give me one reason for using bad words against “GODS”, except your stories
aparna bhardwaj said
hey! i m surprised?why r u all busy in such stupid exchange?
the very world’s people know very well ‘,what prevailing in this country?
think-
how the aryans the invadours through the bunkum of their religios hindu mythology entirely based on confebulations,febrications,crafty man minded imaginationary,tricky stories ,all fictions about so called their hindu gods n their varna vyavastha and so called religiouse books full of violence/ war with in family(mahabharat),ramayana destorted edition by tulsi and so many other books called vedas or upnishdas and afcaurse manusmriti befooling the majority people of this country?????
the time is not to exchange hot words but to be aware organise and act for ‘”Apnaraaj”
i mean to fight for freedom from these invadours. think once again !all my dear indiginouse brothers and sisters.
pl. as we r not to waste our valuable time for such foolish exchange with those of shrewed abominable sect of people.
forget exchange with them ,wolfs or hyinas or hounds when r in group make lions to leave their prey and run away leaving their prey for them
aparna bhardwaj said
and this only these invadoures did with (us/our enscesters)the people of this country. is not that so?
so my lion brothers and sisters let’s come together on one plateform,unite ,organise, strengthen ourselves & counter to get our rights.
that’s only the right way to go ahead.
jai bhim
C . L . CHUMBER said
I BEING A SELF RESPECTFUL PERSON WILL GIVE A BEFITTING REPLY TO THE VAIDIK ABUSERS THAT THE WORLD WILL KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE WELL !!!!!
lavanya said
I BEING A SELF RESPECTFUL PERSON WILL GIVE A BEFITTING REPLY TO THE VAIDIK ABUSERS THAT THE WORLD WILL KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE WELL !!!!!
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Yes you can give all your “befitting” replies in court. Now you come on and give your address. Why are you hesitating so much?
lavanya said
Aparna Bharadwaj,
Do not speak without knowing things in proper perspective.
You are only repeating dumb-stuff like a parrot told to you by your political masters.
Karthikeyan said
Aparna Ji, welcome. Please know that you are in a democratic country and you are ruling yourself. And no one holds you captive and the freedom you’re looking for is already with you. You don’t like the stories in some religion. So what? Don’t like it. Why do you snatch their peace? Why are you raising a war cry calling your “lion brothers” against those other friends?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHIKEYAN !
WAS RAM MERCIFUL WHO KILLED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK AND BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA ? ? ? ? ?
Karthikeyan said,
October 8, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
” Chumber Ji,
Rama was merciful, but you are expecting too much from him. Surpanaka was approaching Rama with lust. Lust, just like Chumberwad, cannot be corrected by polite conversation. Still Rama spoke politely to her and declined her offer of wifehood. He temporarily directed her to his brother just in order to deviate her from himself. This was a tactic used by Rama to protect his austerity and pure love to Sita. So he doesn’t seriously recommend Lakshmana to marry Surpanaka.
Even Lakshmana talks to Surpanaka in polite and intelligent manner for long declining her lustful approach. Surpanaka’s episode is often described as been written for adding humour (haasya) to the epic. In this episode, Rama and Lakshmana deviate Supanaka from each other to the other and it is comedy.
But after sometime Surpanaka turns hostile and approaches Sita offensively to attack. Rama stops Surpanaka and orders Lakshmana to amputate her. Lakshmana who was already enraged by Surpanaka’s act of trying to attack Sita, jumped into action and completed his duty as follower of Rama’s commands.
Lakshmana’s duty in exile was to serve Rama and Sita, which would be impossible in case Urmila (Lakshmana’s wife) had accompanied him. That’s why he left her in Ayodhya.
Rama need not have to prove his purity because he was in the company of his brothers/friends/sages all the time in exile. But Sita was in the forcible possession of lustful wicked demon. She was in the midst of all stranger men for several years. So she was required to prove her purity. Clear? “
mesquiteice said
Aparna Bharadwaj,
way to go. we are never in the way of your progression. We welcome your comments.
In fact we are happy that our brothers and sisters are progressive looking, even if they have to blame us rather than wasting time in abusing others
All the best and may all the other people who claim to be opressed also start thinking in this angle
Muthukaruppan B said
KRISHINDUSHUEM! You wrote “Misquotes the Gita and Manusmrithi, Calls his Muslim friend as Zindabad, Defends a given point in Islam (Muhammad-Ayesha), Lies repetedly, …”.
==>> Just for a slight modification, anyone who “quotes” from Manusmriti, whether Chumberji or others, will do well to remember TWO THINGS about this text:: 1) In the Vedic religion, Manus are like successive Emperors, each one presiding over a certain economic duration of time, called Manvantara. Unfortunatel what we have today is a mix of remnants of not only the text appropriate for THIS Manvatara but also of the previous ones, and in this sense, not an absolutely dependable text. The concept of Manu-s, if you can call it a ‘Concept’ tells us that each Yuga and each Manvantara has got its own versions of MANU-SMRITHI, which is formulated by Seers with all their heart and soul dedicated to just the welfare of humanity and the whole ecology, regarding the individual and collective (society-level or collective) level discipline patterns keeping in view the natural bent of mind which is dictated by the passage of time itself. By dictate of the passage of time is meant certain trends of behaviour and character within which man falls, over which he does not have control of his free will except to a small extent. As a mathematical statistician will understand, trend lines are drawn through a set of numerous point observations over the time scale, and except for a small number of deviating points will lie very close on either side of the trend line. Thus, once the trend of the time is perceived by the seers (not ordinaries like you and me, and with his permission, Mr Chumber), they formulate the maximum benefit trend line over the respective Manvantara.
Ok, I won’t harp more on that, even though I am conscious that many of the readers will likely find what I have written obscure and inadequate. The truth is that when many of us, given our ordinary levels of patience, perseverence, and dedication to a balance bet. logic and what is right, have really no real locus standi to doubt the sincerity or question the competence of these great seers whose view is not just that of India, or South or North India in it, or Asia, or the Eastern hemisphere, or even the entire earth, but the entire universe and the ecology with which it is bubbling with life and evoltion. Neither science, nor philosophy, nor religious insights, nor the claimed direct revelations of messiahs like Jesus or Prophets like Md Nabi, are in themselves or together going to help us decode the mysterious ways in which these kindest souls on earth, the finest emissaries of God Himself, thought and codified Manu-smrtitis. THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT DUE TO RAVAGES OF TIME THE DEPREDATIONS OF EVIL MEN THOUGHTFULLY DESCRIBED AS asuras, MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL MANUSMRITI DESIGNED FOR our AGE IS LOST, AND WHAT IS AVAILABLE IS A JUMBLE OF INJUNCTIONS FROM THE SCRIPT FOR VARIOUS MANVANTARAS.
But what is said is that the Chatur Varna – Chatur Ashrama principles are eternal, transcending time and space. The particular Manusmrtitis even after time-related modifications must conform within the eternal law of the first Manu, who formulated the Varna Aashram dharma as the basic directive principles which in the wisdom of man shall not be violated except to his own peril. Right now, the present Manvantara* and Yuga* is experiencing a nosedive towared Immorality masquerading as Morality, Untruth as Truth, Injustice as Justice, …. [* Please try and understand these doing your own research, I don’t think Dalit Nation is particularly enlightening on the truths of it, since that site is over-obsessd with UNTRUTHS, FALSEHOODS, PERVERSIONS, RAPES, … all that are bundled together as Aasurika (or Asura Bhaava ) qualities.] Even in the Treta Yuga when Sri Rama lived as an incarnation of God and showed how to lead the life of man, within all the onslaughts of time and environment, there was much evil, as we all know. And even worse was the Dvaapara Yuga in which Sri Krishna lived. The Kaliyuga will be even worse, and the only CONSOLATION for us is that what we are experiencing as EVIL today will be magnified unimaginably manifold, in the times ahead, since there is a preponderant portion of Kali still to be logged on.
Muthukaruppan B said
A CORRECTION: Manus are like successive Emperors, each one presiding over a certain EONIC – not Economic – duration of time
Samukham-Ventaka said
My name is blocked again. Am using another name.
Muthukaruppan,
Thanks for your wonderful post.
Yes it is abstract. Despite a few reads, am not sure if i have understood properly.
Also i feel such things are best spoken in person for clarity.
I will try to feel consolation for the age we are in because it means Kaliyuga will sooner or later come to an end.
Karthikeyan said
Yes Chumber Ji, Rama was merciful who gave lots of chance to Ravana to correct himself, who respectfully cremated even the enemy troops.
C . L. CHUMBER said
I will post ” HOW VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED A BACKWARD CLAS GUJJAR GAYATARI TO BE HIS WIFE ” after your views on RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!.
mesquiteice said
Muthukaruppan,
Thanks,
Your explanation seems to provide some kind of a reason to this whole thing in the middle of deep confusion. Any way the main point is that I understand that Chumber’s manusmrity is not meant for us in Kali Yuga.
Can you enligthen us on what was the “eternal law of the first manu”.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
you said “I will post ” HOW VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED A BACKWARD CLAS GUJJAR GAYATARI TO BE HIS WIFE ” after your views on RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!.”
My answer: Views can be given only if you give a situation and certain facts. not aspertions.
Suppose I say “Give your views on Chumber” it is meaningless. However, it makes sense to say “Give your views on Chumber’s discussion in E-dialouge about hinduism”? then we can provide.
Please let us know what is that you want our views on and we shall do the needful
VenkataSamukham said
Muthukaruppan,
Like Mesquiteice, am waiting to hear more from you on this as well.
Request you to earnestly to post more, since the details you gave in the previous post is very insufficient.
C .L . CHUMBER said
M/S HAPPY HINDU INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS BLAME OTHERS AND THEY ARE ADMITTING THEIR SCRIPTURES AS STORY BOOKS !!!!!
Mr.Mesquiteice said,
October 22, 2008 @ 10:07 am
Chumber,
If you want to talk talk with reasons, dont abuse others and other religions based on stories.
i j swamy said
Ambedkar did not sacrifice anything for the nation .He wanted Brahimins to sacrifice for him .
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Your explanation on “HOW VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED A BACKWARD CLAS GUJJAR GAYATARI TO BE HIS WIFE ” is definitely your own story and not a scripture.
The biggest and most powerful and important scripture of Hinduism is the scripture of LOVE. Other scriptures are supplementary and cannot go beyond this.
Your allegation and abuses of other beliefs are 100% cooked up stories and are a direct result of hatered that you hold against others beliefs.
I am sure that love will one day succeed and destroy the hate in you heart.
I am waiting.
venksamuk said
M/S HAPPY HINDU INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS BLAME OTHERS AND THEY ARE ADMITTING THEIR SCRIPTURES AS STORY BOOKS !!!!!
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Your braying and showing off your hollow head with your dumb pronouncements and blatant lies and miserable concoctions, cannot change one thing in the sanatan fold chumber…you are the one that needs a story-book (like quran perhaps) like a 5-year old chumber, to go to sleep (with fitful nightmares of muhammad)…
mesquiteice said
My friend sent me this story which i want to share with all of you:-
There was a blind girl who hated herself because she was blind. She hated everyone, except her loving boyfriend. He was always there for her. She told her boyfriend,
‘If I could only see the world, I will marry you.’ One day, someone donated a pair of eyes to her. When the bandages came off, she was able to see everything, including her boyfriend. He asked her, ‘Now that you can see the world, will you marry me?’ The girl looked at her boyfriend and saw that he was blind. The sight of his closed eyelids shocked her. She hadn’t expected that. The thought of looking at them the rest of her life led her to refuse to marry him. Her boyfriend left in tears and days later wrote a note to her saying: ‘Take good care of your eyes, my dear, for before they were yours, they were mine.’ This is how the human brain often works when our status changes. Only a very few remember what life was like before, and who was always by their side in the most painful situations.
Life Is a Gift
Today
before you say an unkind word – Think of someone who can’t speak.
Before you complain about the taste of your food – Think of someone who has nothing to eat.
before you think of pointing the finger or condemning another – Remember that not one of us is without sin.
And when depressing thoughts seem to get you down – Put a smile on your face and think: you’re alive and still around.
C.L .CHUMBER said
AS SUGGESTED ,I WILL STUDY THE QURAN AND EVEN TO VISIT MAKKA AND MADINA FOR DEEP RESEARCH . A FEW YEARS AGO , I PURCHASED A SET OF ” SACRED BOOKS OF THE EAST ” BY MAX MULLER IN 50 VOLS .NOW I WILL PURCHASE THE QURAN !
Venksamuk said,
November 6, 2008 @ 3:38 pm
Your braying and showing off your hollow head with your dumb pronouncements and blatant lies and miserable concoctions, cannot change one thing in the sanatan fold chumber…you are the one that needs a story-book (like quran perhaps) like a 5-year old chumber, to go to sleep (with fitful nightmares of muhammad)…
Dilip Muralidaran said
“I WILL STUDY THE QURAN AND EVEN TO VISIT MAKKA AND MADINA FOR DEEP RESEARCH”
Nice, that proves chumber to be funded my extremist islam. Can all the secular muslims commenting in this thread issue a fatwa against this fool for spoiling the name of islam by making rude remarks on other sects of the society?
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber, Its Mecca and Medina. Stop insulting Islamic holy places with deliberate mis-pronunciations and spelling mistakes.
The Indian said
No doubt B.R.Ambedkar was a gr8 man but we Brahmins are the pioneers for India’s success and not the Filthy,bloody,fucking Dalits
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
DEAR DILIP MURALIDARAN JI ! YOU ARE BELOW THE AGES OF MY TWO SONS – ONE MANAGER IN MNC WHO DID BSc ( HONS) SOFTWARE ENGINEERING FROM THE WESTMINSTER UNIVERSITY , LONDON ( UK ) !
NOW , I COME TO THE POINT .MR. HAPPY HINDU SUGGESTED ME TO READ THE QURAN . IS IT NOT TRUE ? I WROTE ,” I WILL STUDY THE QURAN AND EVEN TO VISIT MAKKA AND MADINA FOR DEEP RESEARCH .” IS IT NOT TRUE ?
THEN YOUR GOOD SELF REACTED SHARPLY ,” Nice, that proves chumber to be funded my extremist islam.” IS NOT TRUE ?
NOW , PLEASE TELL ME THAT READING A RELIGIOUS BOOK LIKE THE QURAN HOW BECOMES EXTREMIST ACTIVITY ? ? ? ? ?
ARE PURCHASING , POSSESSING AND READING THE QURAN OR ANY OTHER RELIGION`S BOOK ( S) AND VISITING MAKKA AND MADINA OR ANY OTHER RELIGION `S PLACES ARE ILLEGAL AND UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES ? ? ? ? ? IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT IT IS MY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT AND NO WORLD POWER CAN STOP ME TO EXERCISE THIS RIGHT .PLEASE KEEP IT IN YOUR GOOD SELF`S Sr. Tech Instructor – EMC MIND !!!!!
DEAR DILIP JI ! NEXT YOUR GOOD SELF WROTE WITH A VERY MIND ,” Can all the secular muslims commenting in this thread issue a fatwa against this fool for spoiling the name of islam by making rude remarks on other sects of the society ? ”
WHAT FOOLISHNESS HAD I DONE THAT THE MUSLIMS WILL ISSUE FATWA AGAINST ME ? YOUR GOOD SELF HAD WRITTEN THAT HAZRAT MOHAMMAD RAPED HIS WIFE AYESHA ! DID YOU NOT WRITE ? WILL NOT MUSLIMS ISSUE FATWA AGAINST YOUR GOOD SELF FOR DEFAMING HAZARAT MOHAMMAD ?
ARE YOU NOT AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM AND HENCE AGAINST RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ? ? ? ? ?
NEXT , I ALWAYS WRITE ‘ YOUR GOOD SELF ” AND YOUR GOOD SELF ALWAYS WRITE ME FOOL .I HOPE YOUR PARENTS, GRAND PARENTS , RELATIVES AND FRIENDS DO NOT USE THE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . THEREFORE , YOU ALSO DO NOT USE THIS ABUSIVE SOFTWARE IN YOUR TECHNICAL MIND ! IF YOUR CHILDREN AND WIFE , IF YOU ARE MARRIED READ THIS LANGUAGE WILL BE ASHAMED . PLEASE DO NOT DO ANY WRONG FOR WHICH YOU OR YOUR BELOVED ONE WILL FEEL SORRY .
NEXT , YOU OBJECTED THAT I WROTE WRONG MAKKA AND MADINA INSTEAD OF MECCA AND MADINA . YOU MAY SUGGEST ME CORRECT SPELLINGS BUT YOU WROTE ,” Chumber, Its Mecca and Medina. Stop insulting Islamic holy places with deliberate mis-pronunciations and spelling mistakes.”
WHAT IS INSULTING ? I WROTE AS WE PRONOUNCED IN HINDI OR URDU .WHENEVER YOU VISIT THE OLD DELHI RAILWAY STATION , YOU WILL READ ” DILLI ” IN PUNJABI , DEHLI IN HINDI / URDU AND DELHI IN ENGLISH .
NOW ,YOU WROTE –
funded my extremist islam
( DO YOU BELONG TO EXTREMIST ISLAM ? DID YOU NOT BLAME ME AS WELL AS ISLAM FOR DOING WRONGS ? YOU DEMAND FATWA AGAINST ME WITHOUT ANY REASON BUT YOU DECLARED ISLAM A TERRORIST RELIGION ! I FEAR IF ANY FANATIC READ THIS , HE/SHE WILL ISSUE A FATWA TO BEHEAD YOUR GOOD SELF ! ! ! ! !
YOU WROTE TWO TIMES islam instead of Islam and muslim instead of Muslim !
Mr. Dilip Muralidaran ! ” Stop insulting Islamic holy places with deliberate mis-pronunciations and spelling mistakes.” ! ! ! ! !
DO E-DIALOGUE NOT DISCOMFORT , DISCOMPOSE , DISCONCERT ,DISCOURAGE , DISCOURTEOUS , DISCREDIT , DISCURSIVE ,DISDAIN , DISEMBELLISH ,DISENFRICHISE WITHOUT ANY LOGIC !
Dilip Muralidaran said,
November 11, 2008 @ 7:43 am
“I WILL STUDY THE QURAN AND EVEN TO VISIT MAKKA AND MADINA FOR DEEP RESEARCH” – C.L. CHUMBER
Nice, that proves chumber to be funded my extremist islam. Can all the secular muslims commenting in this thread issue a fatwa against this fool for spoiling the name of islam by making rude remarks on other sects of the society?
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Dilip Muralidaran said,
November 11, 2008 @ 7:45 am
Chumber, Its Mecca and Medina. Stop insulting Islamic holy places with deliberate mis-pronunciations and spelling mistakes.
C.L .CHUMBER said
DR. B.R.AMBEDKAR@ DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR ( WHOSE BRAHMAN TEACHER CHANGED HIS NAME ! ) DECLARED BRAHMANISM AND CAPITALISM TWO ENEMIES OF THE DALITS ! ! ! ! !
YOUR GOOD SELF ARE GREAT PIONEERS IN VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ! ! ! ! !
The Indian said,
November 11, 2008 @ 8:01 am
No doubt B.R.Ambedkar was a gr8 man but we Brahmins are the pioneers for India’s success and not the Filthy,bloody,fucking Dalits
Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said
Dear Friends,
I have been following the conversations here for some time.
As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts. He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward. It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness. Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward. He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.
The treatment
Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.
Thanks.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
lavanyamur said
AS SUGGESTED ,I WILL STUDY THE QURAN AND EVEN TO VISIT MAKKA AND MADINA FOR DEEP RESEARCH . A FEW YEARS AGO , I PURCHASED A SET OF ” SACRED BOOKS OF THE EAST ” BY MAX MULLER IN 50 VOLS .NOW I WILL PURCHASE THE QURAN !
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Nice.
But you need to be a muslim to enter mecca and medina. And are you one?
Btw, why only Islam? Please also go to Vatican to research on Christianity. Then go to China to research on (political-religion) Communism. Then go to Temple mount, Jerusalem to research on Judaism..then go to Japan for Shintoism….then go to Africa to study amazulu, rastafarianism…when you are back, let us know.
Good Luck and Happy Journey 😀
C.L .CHUMBER said
I HAVE NOT SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME TO GO EVERY WHERE .YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS MAY GO THERE and research !
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMAN COMMUNITY WHICH COULD NOT PRODUCED EVEN A SINGLE MERITORIOUS DOCTOR TO OPERATE A BRAHMAN MR. VAJPAYEE , NOW PRODUCED / HIRED A MERITORIOUS DOCTOR M.R.Satish Rao , Senior Registrar ,
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K WHO IS A ADDICTED FOLLOWER , DEFENDER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
M/S HAPPY HINDUS LOST THE E-DIALOGUE AND THREATS TO LEGAL WAR INCLUDING ONE SIDE VAIDIK ABUSIVE WAR ! NOW THEY STARTED THE MEDICAL WAR .THEY ALSO WILL LOST THIS WAR !!!!! OUR ULTIMATE AIM IS TO BAN WORSHIPING THE FALSE GODS , LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE WORSHIPERS OF FALSE GODS AND CONVERT THE FALSE RELIGIOUS PLACES INTO THE HOSPITALS , SCHOOLS , OLD AGE CENTRES , VOCATIONAL EDUCATION CENTRES SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY BENEFIT .
lavanyamura said
I HAVE NOT SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME TO GO EVERY WHERE .YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS MAY GO THERE and research !
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Mr.Crank,
You are the one that spoke about going somewhere to do “research” Chumber :giggle: Now you are asking others to go there.
How come you only want to go to Mecca and Medina to “research” ? Research what? Idea plans how to fracture the indian people ? How to get more funds? Or not ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
A SON OF A PROSITUTE BLAMES LIKE THIS ON OTHERS OPENLY WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE TO CREATE NUISANCE !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND DR.Dr M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K TO HIM WHETHER HE HAD WRITTEN ACTUALLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
Dear Chumber,
“I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !”
Chumber your response to my post seems completely out of place. This is an internet blog and being a qualified psychatrist I was just trying to help you out for free. At your degree of mental instability you can see only what you like to see. That’s why I was asking readers here to inform your family members as they are the people who could help you. There is little you can do yourself as one of the signs of mental disorders is unconcious behaviour. You dont know what you are doing. The moment you become aware of your behaviour and actions you get cured. But that is a difficult process as there can be a host of reasons why you have ended up with this mental disorder. Briefly stated it can be either through nature or nurture – by nature I mean it can be nuerological, in that case we need to check your family history. Around 70% of psychaitric disorders are inherited and passed through the genes. By nurture I mean it can be through some traumatic incident or series of incidents or specific social influences.
I am damned sure Presidents, prime ministers, UN, heads of all countries would not be intrested in your complaint. It will be a waste of your time, effort and money. You show a great deal of Narcissism, high degree of self importance and you believe that the world revolves around you. What do you think. A doctor tells you you are suffering from a mental disorder, and you complain and you think this is some international news. You send a mail to all the presidents of the world and UN and suddenly these guys will think – “oh how dare this doctor abuse the great Chumber”. Come on Chumber get real. You are not an international celebrity.
The most ordinary thing in the world is that everyone feels they are extraordinary. Get it Chumber. But C L Chumber thinks is deluded that he is a well known and famous revolutionary all set to head some impending revolutionary movement. In my native city of Mysore, I knew a harmless mental patient who used to think that he was the president of the world. He used to wear a badge proclaiming the same and stand in street corners and give lectures on how he is running the world. Chumber you remind me on the same person just that in your case your disease is still in its infancy.
Regarding my antecedants I am an FRCS and work in the old Clapham hospital in the area of forensic psychaitry. I have as my patients many psychopaths and sociopaths. My advanced skill levels and expertise helps me to recognize psychaitric disorders the moment I see one. Your case is too common and typical in our field.
I once more ask the readers here, if you know of any family members of C.L.Chumber please inform them and get him treated by a qualified psychaitrist or a mental health institute. I recommed NIMHANS (National Institute of Mental health and Nuero sciences in Bangalore) as it is a premier institute in this field not just in India but widely recognized world over.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
PS: “I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ….”.
BTW just curious. Would you send it to the american president. George Bush is still the president till Jan 20. Just wanted to tell you to send it to Barack Obama as well – just in case this case goes beyond Jan 20. After Obama is sworn in as the president we can still discuss your complaint with him. See you later in the White House.
C.L .CHUMBER said
BE YOU NEVER SO HIGH , THE LAW IS ABOVE YOU !. – Thomas Fuller
LET JUSTICE BE DONE , THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL ! – William Watson ,602 AD .
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .-Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
C.L .CHUMBER said
I AM HAPPY TO INFORM ALL THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THE E-BATTLE !
I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS .
IN THE MENTAL HOSPITALS THE MADS DECLARE OTHERS MADS .
AFTER LOOSING THE ABUSIVE WAR,NOW THEY HIRED MEDICAL DOCTORS !!!!!
THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS IS IN A DECISIVE STAGE . SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
Without using your “rapist, racist and fascist” terms for Gods, if you can simply come ahead and describe your concept of “God”, i would be very much willing to discuss various concepts with you on the sane human level. I hope you agree to this. Please make a conscious effort and do not allow your ego to reject this. Thanks.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation
C.L .CHUMBER said
WILL THE FOLLOWERS OF RAVAN START TO CELEBRATE SITA-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ?
WHY ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST GOD CELEBRATE TULSI-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ?
IN HINDU TEXTS , THOSE WHO HAVE RAPED HAVE ONLY BEEN BURNED TO ASHES !!!!! -MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) .
BUT THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK BRAHMAN HINDU LADIES CELEBRATED THE TULASI-VIVAH CELEBRATIONS EVERYWHERE !!!!! ( THE HINDU GOD VISHANU RAPED WITH TULASI @ VARINDA W/O ADI-MAHAGURU JALANDHAR . REF. THE PADAM PURAN , TULSI-VIVAH MOOVIE OF DARA ACTOR AND DISTT. JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) GAZETEER ! ) .
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE FOLLOWERS OF RAVNA START TO CELEBRATE SITA-VIVAH ? ? ? ? ? HINDU GOD RAM NEVER CONSIDERED SITA AS PURE EVEN SHE WAS ESTABLISHED PURE BY THE AGANI-PRIKSHA ! HE EVEN THEN BANISHED HER ON THIS CHARGE .HE EVEN ASKED SITA ABOUT HIS PURITY IN THE VALMIKI ASHRAM . THE INNOCENT AND PIOUS SITA HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO GET RID OF RAM`S BASELESS BLAMES
C.L .CHUMBER said
BRAHMIN WOMEN ON THE MAJOROTY ARE QUITE HOT !!!!! -MURLIDHARAN
– – – BRAHMINS DON`T EXIT AT ALL !!!!! – DALIP MURLIDHARAN
Dilip Muralidaran said,
December 31, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Admit it, brahmin women on the majority are quite hot. They are fair, pretty and elegant. Ambedkar is a man like anyone, obvious he liked her and got married into her. Your theories about marrying brahmin women so that us brahmins dont have women to marry at all is actually fantastic. In fact i would love that to happen so that brahmins dont exist at all. That would mean that dalits dont exist either when there are no brahmins.
I wonder whom you would have left to blame for all of your problems after all brahmins are dead. The Jews?
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmi
C.L .CHUMBER said
OUR TRUE GOD WILL BLESS THE ALL CREATURES TO BE GENIUS !!!!!
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
CHUMBER,
AM THOROUGHLY ASHAMED BUT I DO NOT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING COZ I DO NOT WANT MY WORDS TO BE MISUSED BY YOU AGAIN !!!!!
AM POSTING THIS HEARTFELT APPRECIATION FOR YOU CHUMBER !!!!!
DESPITE MY CALLING SUCH HORRIBLE NAMES REPEATEDLY , STILL YOU DID NOT RETALIATE AND CALL ME NAMES !!!!!
YOU HAVE MORE PATIENCE , MORE KINDNESS AND MORE PERSEVERANCE THAN WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF , CHUMBER !!!!!
BE BLESSED ( IN WHATEVER WAY THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY ) .
lavanyamural said,
November 13, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Chumber,
Am throughly ashamed but i do not want to say anything coz i do not want my words to be misused by you again.
Am posting this heartfelt appreciation for you Chumber: Despite my calling you such horrible names repeatedly, still you did not retaliate and call me names. You have more patience, more kindness and more perseverance than what i am capable of, Chumber. Be blessed (in whatever way that makes you happy).
C.L .CHUMBER said
I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS ARE NOT RAPISTS LIKE BRAHMA , INDER AND VISHANU !!!!!
I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT INVENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE WORST EVER SYSTEM OF GRADATION AND DE-GRADATION !!!!!
I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM JUST LIKE VISHANU , BRAHMA AND THEIR INCARNATIONS DID !!!!!
I AND DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS NEVER PREACHED HATE AND VIOLENCE AGAINST THE PEACE LOVERS AND NON-VIOLENT PEOPLE !!!!!
WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE RESTORING OF OUR LOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
HOW WE FINISHED THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE TRUE INDIANS ? ? ? ? ?
WHO ARE TRUE OR FALSE INDIANS ? ? ? ? ?
A FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST RELIGION CAN NOT BE A TRUE INDIANS ! ! ! ! !
THE HINDU RELIGION IS A TERRORIT PHILOSOPHY WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!!
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
Hello Mr. Chumber,
Over the weekend, I had been to the Isle of Man in the UK to witness a marriage between an Indian man and British woman, both friends of mine. This indian man to your knowledge and horror is from the Brahmin community and is a Hindu member of a group called VHP UK.
Okay Chumber what more do you need. Do you need my contact address. I like in Stockport in Manchester. I cannot give you further details as you might recollect some things I told about my profile in earlier posts. I work primarily in the area of forensic Psychaitry and have as my patients many Sociopaths and Psychopaths. In the NHS we do not easily provide our address details to all and sundry as it is not safe. I was only trying to help you out with a priliminary diagnosis of your sorry state of your mental condition. If you recollect from my earlier post, I also suggested that your family members should see a psychaitrist for you and I suggest the reputed institute in Bangalore, NIMHANS. I would again ask people here if they know your family members ask them to contact NIMHANS bangalore to get you cured. I wish you godspeed and heal fast.
C.L .CHUMBER said
DR.M.R. SATISH RAO IS WORST EVER DOCTOR WHO IS IN FAVOUR OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
HE HAS NO IDENTITY AS DOCTOR THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT INFORMED HIS MOBILE NO. AND EMAIL ADDRESS !!!!!
HE IS A CURSE ON THE MEDICAL PROFESSION .HE IS NOT AN ETHICAL DOCTOR !!!!!
lavanyamur said
Chumber,
Recently i took an oath kritam vadishyami and satyam vadishyami as part of something and no matter whether you believe me or not, from now on i can never lie or hide anything; and i seek to be accountable for my past mistakes.
I did not want to continue this meaningless dialogue anymore. But you are repeatedly accusing me of being linked to satish rao and calling his posts as my ‘brainchild’. I do not know him and I do not know why you are linking me to him. To me it is very clear that you are making use of accusative behavior to feed your ego.
Now i am beginning to understand why punjabis in the UK are not looked upon favorably. Maybe it is because shameless rioting-sort of people like you and your relatives in the UK (the ones you want to send to shout slogans against satish rao) bring a bad name to the other hardworking and industrious punjabis there.
Am giving you the email of my cousin (a lawyer in the sf bay area but has an indian undergrad degree and can certainly practice in india as well), she is the one who not only laughed at this whole thing, but is convinced that you are mad. You may contact her directly to ask her why we did not file a case against you. Please ask her why she is so sure that you are mad and why she thinks the case will fall flat: kanikkarama@gmail.com Am certain you wud not want to hear it on an open platform like this; and i do not wish to be involved in such meaningless stuff anymore.
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. M. R. SATISH RAO ! PLEASE RELEASE MEDICAL REPORTS ON THESE FOLLOWING PERSONS ALSO , OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN UNETHICAL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU TERRORIST DOCTOR !!!!!
I WILL COMPLAIN TO INTERPOL AGAINST YOUR GOOD SELF IF YOU DID NOT RELEASE THE SAME 15 MEDICAL REPORTS !!!!!
OR YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY WITHIN A WEEK FOR YOUR FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT TO DEFAME ME INTENTIONALLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 18, 2008 @ 10:42 am
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 14, 2008 @ 10:12 am
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
lavanyamural said
A SON OF A PROSITUTE BLAMES LIKE THIS ON OTHERS OPENLY WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE TO CREATE NUISANCE !!!!!
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Chumber,
You can call me the child of a prostitute or anything you please…you can never change the nature of my soul.
A guru said never try to explain matters of the spirit to worldly people. But, i do wish to tell you :
You cannot prove that an ancestor of yours was not born of an ancient rape. It was always womenfolk of 2 groups that suffered the most – women of dead soldiers and women of men who took care of temple wealth. And not all cud commit sati, even if some took the practice to down south. Esp, coming from the northwest region if you belittle anyone’s birth, how horrible a shame it is to the men and women who have put in innumerable sacrifices to safeguard this nation.
And i was foolish enuf to think that you really wanted to adopt the devadasis as your sisters; without knowing that this is in fact perhaps your actual attitude for those poor women.
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! M/S HAPPY HINDUS SAID,” CHUMBRR ! . . .YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT , FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ; AND I SEEK TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY PAST MISTAKES !!!!! ”
Lavanyamur said,
November 23, 2008 @ 10:49 am
Chumber,
Recently i took an oath kritam vadishyami and satyam vadishyami as part of something and no matter whether you believe me or not, from now on i can never lie or hide anything; and i seek to be accountable for my past mistakes.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : –
DEAR M/S HAPPY HINDUS ! WHAT IS YOUR STAND , CLARIFICATIONS ON THOSE ISSUES WHICH WE DISCUSSED ALREADY ?
BEFORE THIS YOU FELT PROUD OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !
WHAT IS YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ?
YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT( Lavanyamursaid,November 23,2008 @ 10:49 am https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/#comment-3506) IS CONTRADICTED BY YOUR SELF WITHIN 79 MINUTES LATER ( lavanyamur said ,November 23, 2008 @ 12:08 pm https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/#comment-3368)I WHEN YOUR GOOD SELF COMMENTED ON MY VIEWS ” I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MADS “.
YOUR GOOD SELF COMMENTED AFTER OATH ,” Unfortunately for you Chumber, I will continue to be a vedik follower. And you will need to continue to be ashamed.”
THIS IS EVIDENT BY YOUR GOOD SELF`S STATEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE A FLICKERING MIND !!!!!
YOUR GOOD SELF AT LEAST HALF DOZEN TIMES REGRETTED ON YOUR BEHAVIOUR BUT YOU AGAIN REPEATED THE SAME BEHAVIOUR !!!!!
YOUR GOOD SELF IS NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING OUR E-DIALOGUE AND VAIDIK ABUSES !!!!!
ONCE I REMINDED YOU THAT YOUR GOOD SELF IS GETTING VERY MUCH NEGATIVE MARKING !
NOW YOUR GOOD SELF WILL ABUSE , BLAME AND ISSUE FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORTS AGAINST ME BUT IT IS EVIDENT THAT YOU CLAIMED ” EVERYONE IS AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER ” .
PLEASE WATCH YOUR WRITINGS TO KNOW WHO IS PRO-” RAPIST RACEIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS ” ?
A TRUE GOVERNMENT , A TRUE GOD AND A TRUE SOCIETY WILL NEVER ALLOW THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS TO BE WORSHIPED , DEFENDED AND GLORIFYIED .
BY THE WAY I WANT TO KNOW YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ? ON THESE FOLLOWING ISSUES :-
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!!
lavanyamuralidharan said
BY THE WAY I WANT TO KNOW YOUR LATEST STAND AFTER ” FROM NOW ON I CAN NEVER LIE OR HIDE ANYTHING ” ? ON THESE FOLLOWING ISSUES :-
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
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You cannot abuse and then ask not to be abused. As mentioned before ‘evil’ such as you will continue to exist. You are the problem, not the solution.
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
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My Gods are within me. Outside of me, they still represent me and my various possible attributes. I will worship all of them. It is you who wants them to be so-called rapist or whatever, which they are not. You do not wish to be explained to, you want to believe only what you want to believe. Nobody can change you. Similarly, nobody can change me, or stop me from worshiping my gods.
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
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Perhaps you can congratulate yourself for being the evil side of you.
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!!
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You are free to believe in anything you want to, you are also free to cook up anything you want to. And i am free to follow my path. I see you as a devolved “human” with animal instincts, far from human. There is nothing more to say to you. Bye and God Bless.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
4) Why you are never practicing what you preach
5) Why not you discard Allah?
6) Did anyone ask you for your advice on Hinduism
7) Did anyone ask you for charecter certificate for hindu gods
8) why not you analyse the life and histroy of Allah instead
9) Why are you so obsessed with stories
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
11) Why are you talking bad about others
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD KNOW THAT MR. SANJAM LIKE ABUSERS ARE VERY BAD PERSONS !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT RAPE !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE NO CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
MOST OF THE VISITORS TO THIS BLOG READ IT WITH A GOOD TASTE TO KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIRS VAIDIK ABUSER FOLLOWERS !!!!!
I RECEIVE DAILY EMAILS AND APPRECIATION CALLS !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. MESQUITEICE IS NOW MOHAMMAD MESQUITEICE !!!!!
I HAVE ASKED TO ” DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!! ”
I NEVER PREACHED HATERED AGAINST GOD AND ALLAH !!!!!
I AM AGAINST THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
WHEN WERE YOU CONVERTED TO ISLAM ? ? ? ? ?
MR. MOHAMMAD MESQUITEICE WILL ANSWER REGARDING HIS NEW RELIGION !
Mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
4) Why you are never practicing what you preach
5) Why not you discard Allah?
6) Did anyone ask you for your advice on Hinduism
7) Did anyone ask you for charecter certificate for hindu gods
8) why not you analyse the life and histroy of Allah instead
9) Why are you so obsessed with stories
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
11) Why are you talking bad about others
YOUR GOOD SELF WROTE DEROGATORY REMARKS AGAINST HAZRAT MOHAMMAD IN THIS BLOG ! ! ! ! !
WHAT IS YOUR STAND NOW ? ? ? ? ?
Mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am
Chumber,
You said “DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!!”
I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being.
why are you preaching hatered against Allah.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/narendra-modi-and-the-fall-of-hindut
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Why are you feeling that you are greater than 1) kindergarden kid 2) common man
For your information:-
Every kid and common man is intelligent
Kindergarden kid knows that stories are not real
Kindergarden kid knows we should not talk hurt others
Kindergarden kid know you should not talk bad about others
kindergarden kid knows that love is everything
C.L .CHUMBER said
NEED NOT THE BLESSINGS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO -ARYAN GODS WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM TO MAKE OUR LIVES HELL !!!!!
Lavanyamuralidharan said,
November 25, 2008 @ 7:04 am
You are free to believe in anything you want to, you are also free to cook up anything you want to. And i am free to follow my path. I see you as a devolved “human” with animal instincts, far from human. There is nothing more to say to you. Bye and God Bless.
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. MESQUITEICE IS NOW MOHAMMAD MESQUITEICE !!!!!
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
I prefer mesquiteice-ul-haq.
Please read chapter 109
109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
I wish to correct one more this. I did not write anything against Hazrat Mohammed. You are the one calling others Allah as bad. I only wanted to show you that problems are everywhere.
PAPPU " KUNDANPURI" said
DR. M.R.SATISH RAO SHOULD CHECK THE MENTAL LEVEL OF MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE .
MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”
BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .
Mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am
Chumber,
You said “DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!!”
I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being.
why are you preaching hatered against Allah.
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
4) Why you are never practicing what you preach
5) Why not you discard Allah?
6) Did anyone ask you for your advice on Hinduism
7) Did anyone ask you for charecter certificate for hindu gods
8) why not you analyse the life and histroy of Allah instead
9) Why are you so obsessed with stories
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
11) Why are you talking bad about others
PAPPU " KUNDANPURI" said
MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”
BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .
Mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am
Chumber,
You said “DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!!”
I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being.
why are you preaching hatered against Allah.
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
4) Why you are never practicing what you preach
5) Why not you discard Allah?
6) Did anyone ask you for your advice on Hinduism
7) Did anyone ask you for charecter certificate for hindu gods
8) why not you analyse the life and histroy of Allah instead
9) Why are you so obsessed with stories
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
11) Why are you talking bad about others
PAPPU KUNDANPURI said
MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”
BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! BRAHMA , VISHANU AND INDIRA WERE NOT DIFFERENT FROM BEASTS WHO RAPED LIKED BEASTS !!!!!
HOW LONG WILL M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( ? ) ?
lavanyamurali said,
November 26, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
Wrong. Rape is present in the animal kingdom in at least 15 diff animal species. They help researchers study aggression, behavioral genetics and allied thought processes in humans. You can make a good substitute for such studies.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I THANK MR. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA AND MR. PAPPU KUNDANPURI FOR THEIR VIEWS .
mesquiteice said
Pappu kundanpuri,
What about other questions that i had posted. Can chumber answer them.
C.L.CHUMBER said
RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS WING (R&AW) HAS RAW AND CORRUPT OFFICERS !
There is a “research and analysis wing” (R & AW) of the Indian government having Rs. One thousand crores budget!
The English DNA news paper of the Daink Bhaskar Hindi group investigated about this top secret government agency. It published a news under headline ” Aatank se nahin , aapas main larh rahe hain raw ke adhikari – The officers of R&AW are fighting with each others , not fighting with terrorists !” in the Dainik Bhaskar , Jalandhar edition dated 2nd December , 2008 . The invetigation team found that the R&AW is full of corruption, nepotism and misuse of secret funds. This made bad impact on its capacity to fight against terrorism.
The news shed light on its failure to check the Mumbai terrorist attack. The internal differences among the officers are on the basis of original officers and on deputation officers from the police .The news blamed that the head of the R&AW Mr. Ashok Chaturvedi created his group in the R&AW .Mr. Chaturvedi after taking chargeof R&AW renovated his rented flat at NOIDA (U.P.). He spent huge amount on renovation. There is another flat of Mr. Chaturvedi under renovation at NOIDA city under national capital region .Mr. Chaturvedi has a Rs. One Thousand crore budget under his discretionary power! The inner sources claimed that Mr. Chaturvedi misused the R&AW`s secret fund to settle his son in Europe.
The investigative team claimed that Mr. Chaturvedi`s PA Mr. J.C. Kapur is not behind his boss. Mr. Kapur got selected his four daughters in the R&AW! The names of his two daughters are SIMPLE and DIMPLE who are ready to got selection for a foriegn mission after obtaining a nominal field experience in Punjab.
The investigative team found Mr. Chaturvedi pro bonded labour. He has employed two dozens government employees at his residence out them two cooks , half dozen telephone operators , four gardeners and two for the care of dogs !
When the security forces were fighting with the terrorists in Mumbai on 27th November,2008 , Mr. Chaturvedi was enjoying the movie . There is huge disparities in selections in the R&AW which must be investigated by the CBI so that the people may knoe the truth and un-truth in the R&AW ! If we do not rise in time , the India may lost its independence again which our freedom fighters regained with many sacrifices ! Long live our Independence !
PAPPU KUNDANPURI said
FIRST OF ALL , YOU PLEASE REPLY MY VIEWS .
Mesquiteice said,
December 3, 2008 @ 5:21 am
Pappu kundanpuri,
What about other questions that i had posted. Can chumber answer them.
C.L.CHUMBER said
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
AS HINDUS PRAY TO THEIR GODS
.
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
AS HINDUS CELEBRATE THEIR FESTIVALS .
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
YOU ARE EXPERT IN THIS CASE . YOU MAY TELL US IN DETAIL WITH REFERENCE .
4) Why you are never practicing what you preach
I ALWAYS PREACH ” BEWARE OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ” AND I HATE THESE GODS .
5) Why not you discard Allah?
I HAVE NOT STUDIED ABOUT ALLAH . DO YOU KNOW THE REASONS TO DISCARD ALLAH ?
6) Did anyone ask you for your advice on Hinduism
I DO NOT GIVE ANY ADVISE ON HINDUISM .
7) Did anyone ask you for charecter certificate for hindu gods
INDIAN CONSTITUTION GIVE US THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO EXPRESS OUR VIEWS . EVEN DR. AMBEDKAR , CHAIRMAN , INDIAN CONSTITUTION DRAFTING COMMITTEE WROTE ” RIDDLES OF HINDUISM ” WHICH MAHARASHTRA GOVERNMENT PUBLISHED .
RAISTS , RACISTS AND FASCIST ARE NOT GODS .
why not you analyse the life and histroy of Allah instead
YOU MAY ENLIGHT US .
9) Why are you so obsessed with stories
DO YOU THINK YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE FICTIONS ?
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
YOU MAY WRITE IN DETAIL . I DID NOT TELL LIE
.
11) Why are you talking bad about others
YOU PEOPLE CLAIM THAT ” EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER ” AND I AM FIGHTING AGAINST THE RAPISTS , FASCISTS AND RACISTS !
WHAT IS WRONG IN IT ? ? ? ? ?
lavanyamuralidharan said
RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS WING (R&AW) HAS RAW AND CORRUPT OFFICERS !
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Everybody knows it. If you can drop religion and caste rubbish from your agenda, and focus only on anti-corruption, you will find a lot more support and good-will that you can ever hope to get. And while you are at it, no hidden agendas please.
lavanyamuralidharan said
Mesquiteice: Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
Chumber: YOU MAY WRITE IN DETAIL . I DID NOT TELL LIE
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Sorry for interefering in this conversation b/w you both. But i wanted to say this:
Chumber,
Periyar wanted an independent “dravida” country; just like muslims managed to get a seperate Pakistan (can’t you see the similarites ? ). Which house does not have problems, instead of putting effort to solve problems, why seek divorce.
It is undeniable that in his time, superstition was rampant and some brahmins made incredulous claims. It is also true that he genuinely wanted upliftment of the downtrodden (in his time, there was no economic liberalization). But understand that cutting off the head is not the solution to raising the feet. The methods he employed were deplorable (ex: how will you feel if someone garlands the photo of Valmiki with slippers? ). Plus, who in the present generation can ever accept a man who did not support India’s independence from the British. Certainly not me.
Chumber, periyar did not want to be associated with north-indians like you. In his time, technology was limited. He mistook north-indians as aryans, and viewed them in a very negative light. One of the main reasons why he hated brahmins was because he thought brahmins were aryan north-indians. You are a north-indian. If periyar were alive, he would never have associated with you.
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YOU PEOPLE CLAIM THAT ” EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER ” AND I AM FIGHTING AGAINST THE RAPISTS , FASCISTS AND RACISTS !
WHAT IS WRONG IN IT ? ? ? ? ?
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I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?
Chumber, i am also wondering why you are so evasive when it comes to islam…if you do not dare to question Islam in the same manner you question hinduism, then you are more than a coward, meaning you are a pucca politician.
PAPPU KUNDANPURI said
THANK YOU MR. CHUMBER FOR YOUR SATISFACTORY REPLIES .
Mesquiteice said,
December 3, 2008 @ 5:21 am
Pappu kundanpuri,
What about other questions that i had posted. Can chumber answer them.
C.L.CHUMBER said,
December 4, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
C.L.CHUMBER said
YOU MAY WRITE IN DETAIL WHAT I WROTE WRONG . I DID NOT TELL LIE .
HE LIKED SHUDRAS OF EVERY WHERE .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
Mesquiteice: Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
Chumber: YOU MAY WRITE IN DETAIL . I DID NOT TELL LIE
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C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM including CHUMBER
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?
C.L.CHUMBER said
I AM NOT EXPERT IN ANY RELIGION EXCEPT ADI-DHARAM , SIKHISM AND HINDUISM .
THERE IS NO BIGGEST EVER COWARD THAN YOUR GOOD SELF WHO DO NOT ADMIT THAT YOUR BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS .
YOU ARE A FLICKERING MIND WHO HAVE NO STAND EVER ON THIS ISSUE .
I AM NEITHER KACHA NOR PACCA POLITICIAN .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
Chumber, i am also wondering why you are so evasive when it comes to islam…if you do not dare to question Islam in the same manner you question hinduism, then you are more than a coward, meaning you are a pucca politician.
lavanmuralid said
Chumber, i am also wondering why you are so evasive when it comes to islam…if you do not dare to question Islam in the same manner you question hinduism, then you are more than a coward, meaning you are a pucca politician.
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Chumber,
That is why i consider Periyar also a pucca politician – because he too did not question islam or christianity like the way he ridiculed hindusim. Nobody needs his hate-mongering philosophy….Wake up.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
10) Why you want to lie about periyar’s wisdom
YOU MAY WRITE IN DETAIL . I DID NOT TELL LIE
You said Periyar was a congress person. Why?
Periyar was a wise man and was least bothered about politics. In fact he never supported political party. His idea was that politicians can never work for true upliftment of downtrodden because they had to do things to keep the vote bank happy. He never supported any political party. He wanted people to be realism and simplicity. He loved his people and gave his life for them.
In fact he did things that are exactly opposite from what you preach. He asked people to stop using caste based surnames. Whereas you are asking people to use caste based surnames.
If you dont know about someone. Dont speak about them.
Do you understand how disgusting it is to hear that periyar was a congess man.
IndianRationalist said
Only Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar could have authentically explained the reason of his second marriage & why he married a Brahmin girl, a Doctor. Everyone else speculating it, particularly with a self proclaimed authority is nothing more than a pompous lamebrained scamp. Same with some others who are abusive & inclined to posting slanted remarks! Hope sense of good SANSKAR will prevail.
lavanyamuralidharan said
Note to Chumber (alias Ram Krishan Sharma@Pappu Kundanpuri),
In your article on prescribing inter-caste marriages you have again used lies to spread your callous intentions. It was already explained that Krishna never said that women, vaishyas and shudras were anything negative, but still you stick to lies of your own making. And fool the masses with it.
It is also amazing that you, a northie, speak typically like a periyar follower. You deride freedom fighters as communal people, praise the british and your writings very much point to a secessionist attitude. Let me warn you for the very last time that this is sedition; and it will not be tolerated.
Everyone has genuine concern for the down-trodden like periyar did, but is that enough (though i think your concern for women is just a shallow pretence). Already explained to you that if periyar were alive, he would never have associated with you. Since you talk so much abt caste, let me tell you that people from his own community had rejected him even when he was alive. One needs to devolve to a sub-human level to agree with his hate.
In very clear terms, chumber: Stop attacking the hindu faith with your lies and Stop making politics out of religion.
Already mentioned there are people like me willing to accept a non-brahmin as a priest. On the condition that heredity positions and old establishments will never be touched. But do not make the mistake of expecting the same acceptance from elderly people. They will never accept, in any form. When you cannot change yourself, you cannot expect others to change.
This note to you Chumber, is a last warning: If you indulge in activities (written or spoken) that point to making politics out of religion as well as combining it with secessionism, you will be taken to task.
I know this note is muddled with diff things put together in one note. Since they are connected, am sure you know what they mean.
C.L.CHUMBER said
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said,
December 4, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGISE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER ? WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .
C.L.CHUMBER said
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 11:00 am
THIS IS MY FULL WRITING SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY KNOW IN DETAIL !
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Nice article. In some places you have mixed disparate things together.
Hope you understand that people may look for a common culture, and therefore may marry within the same grouping, for an life free from adjustment probs.
However, hope you will realize that AFTER people come up to a certain stage in life, they do not marry for caste.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
mesquiteice said,
December 6, 2008 @ 5:52 am
Ram kishan sharm,
First, dont talk bad about Mr. OBAMA. You are calling him a black so many times. Why are you behind his colour.
Forget his colour. Start seeing him as a normal person. Dont refer to people as black and white. Everybody is one and the same.
THEN YOU PEOPLE DO NOT WORSHIP THE CASTIEST BRAHMA AND VISHANU.
MR. OBAMA`S MOTHER WAS WHITE BUT YOU OPPOSE THE INTER CASTE MARRIAGES . IF EVERYONE IS ONE AND THE SAME , THEN YOU START INTER CASTE MARRIAGES .
I can make out that you are tring to play politics by creating enmity between indian people on the basis of gods(and their stories). If you really have any sense stop creating problems for others.
INDIANS ARE DEVIDED IN THOUSANDS CASTES / TRIBES , RELIGIONS ALREADY . WE ARE CREATING GOOD WILL BY DENOUCING THE DEVILS .YOU ARE THE PROBLEM . AT A TIME YOU CLAIM TO BE A HINDU AND MUSLIM . YOU WROTE AGAINST HAZRAT MOHAMMAD .
Mr. Obama never played politics based on colour nor is he against the white people. He never asked black people to hate white people.
Whereas Chumber and You are trying to create hatered by not allowing people to be happy. You are creating insecurity by speaking like this.
WE ARE NOT HATERS .WE ARE AGAINST THE HATERS WHO CREATED CASTE SYSTEM .
If you dont want to be a hindu and find problems, dont be a hindu. Nobody cares.
YOU CLAIMED TO BE A MUSLIM .
President-elect Obama has released a statement on the Mumbai terror attacks:
” We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks,”
If you want to be loved like obama preach love, Dont preach hateful ideologies against hindus and hindu faith.
I AM PREACING LOVE . YOU ARE ABUSERS , HATERS AND UNCULTURED PERSONS . I CAN NOT LOVE THE HATEFUL IDEOLOGIES OF HINDU FAITH .
C.L .CHUMBER said
lavanyamuralidharan said,” HOW WILL CHUMBER FEEL IF WE CALL WALMIKI AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ? ”
TO WHOM ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI RAPED ?
HE GAVE SHELTER TO SITA AND HER CHILDREN !
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING CASTEIST ?
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING FASCIST ?
YOU PEOPLE ALSO WROTE ,” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” BUT YOU PEOPLE DID NOT GAVE PROVES EVEN AFTER TWO MONTHS !
THE HINDU GODS WHO ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED BY YOU PEOPLE .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 7, 2008 @ 7:20 am
Chumber is the biggest abuser of all. How will Chumber feel if we call Valmiki as rapist, racist and fascist ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
MY COMPLETE WRITING OUT OF WHICH MR. SANJAM QUOTED IS AS BELOW –
TERROR OVER INDIA’S FINANCIAL CAPITAL MUMBAI!
– C.L.CHUMBER
On 26th November midnight , the financial capital of world’s most populated democratic country India faced a multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including the crowded Chhatarpati Shivaji Terminus railway station and two five-star hotels – Oberai and Taj. The situation was so tense and under no control that the government had to call in the Army to assist in defusing the situation. It is reported that more than 101 persons died and 250 injured.
Mr. A. N. Roy, DGP Maharashtra said tonight’s attack in ” at least seven places” is a” terror strike.” Mr. Roy continued,” The suspected terrorists struck in a number of places. Terrorists have opened in discriminate firing with automatic weapons.” In Delhi , the union Home Ministry said it was keeping a close watch on the situation and would provide all necessary assistance to the state government. The firing is reported near BMC headquarter, Hilton Holtel in Nariman Point and Vile Parle. It is reported that two terrorists gunned down.
An IPS officer Mr. Ashok Marutirao Kamte was killed while fighting terrorists at Metro Cinema in the city along with Mr. Vijay Salaskar an encounter specialist. Mr. Hemant Karkare, chief of the Anti-Terrorism Squad was also killed when he was leading an poeration at hotel Taj against terrorists. He was probing the Malegaon blast case. Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister condemned the terror attacks in Mumbai and assured all help.
The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
(Image: http://www.thestandard.com) Posted on Nobember 30, 2008 http://WWW.AMBEDKARTIMES.COM
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
you said : YOU PEOPLE ALSO WROTE ,” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” BUT YOU PEOPLE DID NOT GAVE PROVES EVEN AFTER TWO MONTHS !
That means that your father was not a Rap**t. and what they said is wrong.
Similarly you did not give proof of all the abusive stories that you wrote about brahma and other Hindu gods so what you are saying is also wrong
lavanyamuralidharan said
lavanyamuralidharan said,” HOW WILL CHUMBER FEEL IF WE CALL WALMIKI AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ? ”
TO WHOM ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI RAPED ?
HE GAVE SHELTER TO SITA AND HER CHILDREN !
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING CASTEIST ?
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING FASCIST ?
THE HINDU GODS WHO ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED BY YOU PEOPLE .
I can ask you the same thing: Who did the hindu gods rape? Just because some people wanted to cook up stories does not mean in reality there was any rape.
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YOU PEOPLE ALSO WROTE ,” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” BUT YOU PEOPLE DID NOT GAVE PROVES EVEN AFTER TWO MONTHS !
Sanjam said that, not me. Do not connect one person’s words to another person.
And please do not talk about proof – you did not give proof yet about rape from manusmrithi which you repetedly lied about.
You have not answered questions asked by me or Mesquiteice. You are loving your hate, and therefore so be it.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I can not say if you do not read your scriptures .It is established fact that the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindu Gods are rapists , racists and fascists !!!!!
happyhindu said
I can not say if you do not read your scriptures .It is established fact that the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindu Gods are rapists , racists and fascists !!!!!
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You so called “established fact” has been created by anti-hindus.
You Chumber misquoted the Padma Purana (yep i now have a copy of it, and there is no rape in it), the manusmrithi and spewed hate. Which idiot will believe you?
You can fool poor people living in slums who cannot read and write, but after ppl get educated and more aware, you guys will get nothing but a trashing.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 11, 2008 @ 7:15 am
happyhindu said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
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Chumber, you are the last person that shd be talking about ethics.
You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal and claimed that dalits are a seprate element (not hindus).
You also said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times. Write with all details.
It wud be interesting to see how the rest of the so-called self-appointed dalits react.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
you said ” can not say if you do not read your scriptures .It is established fact that the Indo-Aryan Vaidik Hindu Gods are rapists , racists and fascists !!!!!”
This is nothing but a figment of your own imagination, resulting out of your hatered of hindus. You cant say a word other that repeating your misplaced and misinterpreted stories.
Nothing is establised unless proven. Dont hide yourself behind scriptures. That is cowardice.
Prove it now!
C.L .CHUMBER said
IF YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE HINDU SCRIPTURES IN WHICH HINDU GODS ARE ESTABLISHED RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS , THEN YOU DENOUNCE THESE SCRIPTURES .
LET US ARRANGE PRESS CONFERENCES AT DELHI , MUMBAI , CHENNAI AND KOLKATTA JOINTLY AND I WILL PROVE IT . YOU MAY BRING ANY SHANKRACHRYA !
mesquiteice said
You seem to be beating around the bush.
can you clearly explain which hindu scripture establishes the falsehood that you state?.
The most important scripture of HINDUISM is the scripture of LOVE. All interpretation of all hindu scriptures should be based on this.
In any event people who spread hatered will never understand any scripture of any religion because all they want to do is to spread hatered between people.
God is love and Gods have no relevance to people who spread hatered. You can only see god as another platform for expressing your hatered isnt it.
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE HINDUISM IS A RELIGION OF HATERED TOWARDS THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND WOMEN OF EVERY CASTE / VARNA !!!!!
THERE IS NO LOVE IN HINDUISM . THERE IS ONLY LUST IN HINDUISM !!!!!
THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM INVENTED BY BRAHMA AND CODIFIED BY MANU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HATERED EVEN AMONG HINDUS THEMSELVES AND ALSO AGAINST NON-HINDUS !!!!!
IN HINDUISM EVERY GOD IS RAPIST / RACIST / FASCIST !!!!!
WHO HAVE MADE THE LIVES OF SCs, STs , OBCs AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES HELL ?
WHO ARE AGAINST THE RESERVATION OF THESE CATEGORIES ?
YOU START A NEW RELIGION TO PREACH LOVE !!!!!
happyhind said
IF YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE HINDU SCRIPTURES IN WHICH HINDU GODS ARE ESTABLISHED RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS , THEN YOU DENOUNCE THESE SCRIPTURES .
LET US ARRANGE PRESS CONFERENCES AT DELHI , MUMBAI , CHENNAI AND KOLKATTA JOINTLY AND I WILL PROVE IT . YOU MAY BRING ANY SHANKRACHRYA !
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First you show us which is the scripture that talks about rape.
Do not bring some newspaper publication or magazine article or some quotations or books from dumbedkar political writers – bring the ACTUAL scripture – in sanskrit.
if a translation in english is available then bring that…..
post references here from the actual scripture that talks about rape – then talk..
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 6:52 am
MR. KARTHIKEYAN IS MATURED AND MANUWADI ETHICAL TERRORIST !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
MR.HAPPY HINDUS ! A SINGLE DIVORSE CAN CHANGE THE GDP OF THAT FAMILY !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
MANUWADI-ETHICAL MEANS WORST THAN UNETHICAL !!!!!
mesquiteice said
THE HINDUISM IS A RELIGION OF HATERED TOWARDS THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND WOMEN OF EVERY CASTE / VARNA !!!!!
Your empty statements are intended to solely spread hatered. In fact HINDUISM created not one but many great people, which no other religion has been able to do. Buddha/Mahavira/guru nanak/guru govind singh/Swami vivekananda/Swami Raghavendra/ Swami Valmiki/Ramanuja/Thiruvalluvar and the list goes on.
The only person who openly talked bad about women in Dalitnation not HINDUISM. They said that people should marry women based on caste.
The only reason that you are spreading hatered against hindus is that you want to cry for votes by creating enimity between brothers. The britishers followed the same policy of “Divide And Rule”. Now Hatemongers like dalitnation want to try your hand at it.
THERE IS NO LOVE IN HINDUISM . THERE IS ONLY LUST IN HINDUISM !!!!!
LUST is not in Hinduism. It exists in the minds of people. Lust is a nature of mind and not the heart. Lust will be there everywhere not only in hinduism.
THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM INVENTED BY BRAHMA AND CODIFIED BY MANU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HATERED EVEN AMONG HINDUS THEMSELVES AND ALSO AGAINST NON-HINDUS !!!!!
You are the one behind caste. Even if everybody want to forget caste, you want to refer them only by caste. You are teh one asking for others caste adn abusing others based on their caste.
You are searching for platforms for spreading hatered and enimity between indians. Caste is one of your favorite isnt it.
IN HINDUISM EVERY GOD IS RAPIST / RACIST / FASCIST !!!!!
In hinduism, gods are not persons, they are beliefs and faiths. They do not exist at a physical level. Even if they do hatemongers like you cant recognise them.
WHO HAVE MADE THE LIVES OF SCs, STs , OBCs AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES HELL ?
hatemongers like chumber.
WHO ARE AGAINST THE RESERVATION OF THESE CATEGORIES ?
When there is no category where is the reservation. We are one and there is no differance between us.
YOU START A NEW RELIGION TO PREACH LOVE !!!!!
I believe that in order to love, you should come out of all religions. Because, everytime you associate yourself with a perticular religion, we seem to become intolerant to other religions.
Love is the only real thing. All religions are man made and are not real. They will die over a period of time.
We will love each other as brothers and sisters so that we dont need religions to relate us.
C.L .CHUMBER said
YOUR GOOD SELF ARE SELLING ROTTEN EGGS !!!!!
happyhindu said
YOUR GOOD SELF ARE SELLING ROTTEN EGGS !!!!!
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And what are you selling Chumber? Stories from missionaries?
mesquiteice said
LOVE unlike eggs do not rot. Rotting is a physical occurance.
Love flows endlessly and can never rot
C.L .CHUMBER said
I NEVER WRITE , SELL OR DISCUSS STORIES !
I REFERRED YOUR RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES WHICH ENDORSED THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !
happyhindu said,
December 22, 2008 @ 8:17 am
YOUR GOOD SELF ARE SELLING ROTTEN EGGS !!!!!
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And what are you selling Chumber? Stories from missionaries?
mesquiteice said
If it is not a story what is all that you are talking about Jalandhar etc. You are creating a charecter and weaving stories around him.
Any thing that you talk about others and which cannot be proved is only STORIES.
If you want to talk about your views, dont bring new charecters. Say what you have to say.
If it is a fact then state it with proof
You are simply talking about some grandma stories which are used by people for feeding children. Similarly you are giving you own touch to these stories and using it to preach hatered
happyhindu said
I NEVER WRITE , SELL OR DISCUSS STORIES !
I REFERRED YOUR RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES WHICH ENDORSED THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !
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Instead of alleging and barking so much, why don’t you just show which is the scripture that endorses rape ?
Already told you, bring the exact scripture in sanskrit, write down the verse here which talks abt rape…then you talk…otherwise its best that you just buzz up.
You do not want to accept there is no rape in hindu scriptures because then there will be nothing remaining for you to make politics out of. And a cheapskate bug like you actually demands respect, whata joke.
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERY HINDU SCRIPTURE IS FULL OF MISDEEDS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO ARYAN VAIDIK GODS WHICH I REFERRED SO MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG .
THE MAD PEOPLE ALWAYS DEFEND THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND ABUSE THE OTHERS ALWAYS !!!!!
happyhind said
EVERY HINDU SCRIPTURE IS FULL OF MISDEEDS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO ARYAN VAIDIK GODS WHICH I REFERRED SO MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG .
THE MAD PEOPLE ALWAYS DEFEND THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND ABUSE THE OTHERS ALWAYS !!!!!
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Dai Chubera,
Idu paar:
EVERY HINDU SCRIPTURE IS FULL OF MISDEEDS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO ARYAN VAIDIK GODS WHICH CHUMBER LIED SO MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG .
THE MAD PEOPLE ALWAYS ACCUSE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND LOVE THEMSELVES ALWAYS !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE MAD PEOPLE ALWAYS follow THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND LOVE THEMSELVES ALWAYS !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! PLEASE WRITE MY NAME WITH CORRECT SPELLINGS .
HOW WILL YOUR GOOD SELF FEEL IF SOMEONE WRITE YOUR NAME IN A TAUNTING WAY ?
IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT .IT IS FAULT OF YOUR FAMILY BACKGROUND AND CURRENTLY YOUR FRIENDSHIP CIRCLE .
happyhind said,
January 8, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
Dai Chubera,
Idu paar:
hh said
Chumber,
Pointing out how your comments sound – so utterly stupid, mad-like, making no sense like the output of total idiocy, makes no difference to you. In your madness you will keep barking.
Am only interested in this:: You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.
C.L.CHUMBER said
DEAR HAPPY HINDU !
I WILL GIVE THE DETAILS OF MY CASE FILED IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT , WHEN YOU REPLY —
” YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ? ”
hh said
January 10, 2009 @ 2:03 am
Chumber,
Am only interested in this:: You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.
hh said
Chumber,
Who are you to decide who is fit for what?
I have faith in the judiciary. That is why I am asking you for details of the case.
You yourself know your crimes. A word like Idiot is not enough for you. You will definitely be sent to a mental asylum.
Just provide the details of the case.
dilipmuralidaran said
Chumber,
Details of the case please. I need to call my legal council to prepare a case against you and ensure you are in a mental asylum.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I HAVE REPLIED TO MR. HAPPY HINDU BUT YOUR GOOD SELF DELETED .WHY /
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY THEN WHY ARE YOU IGNORING / CHALLENGING THE SUPREME COURT `S JUDGMENT ON IDIOT CALLING OTHERS IDIOT DAILY .YOU ARE ESTABLISHED ANTI JUDICIARY . MORE OVER YOU ARE UNETHICAL PERSON .THE UNETHICAL PERSON IS A MOVING DEAD BODY .
hh said
January 21, 2009 @ 8:10 am
Chumber,
Who are you to decide who is fit for what?
I have faith in the judiciary. That is why I am asking you for details of the case.
You yourself know your crimes. A word like Idiot is not enough for you. You will definitely be sent to a mental asylum.
Just provide the details of the case.
happyhind said
Chumber,
I am being very decent with someone like you.
If you want, ask someone to call you an idiot a 100 times in court. That is called peronal abuse.
Go and ask a lawyer for the difference between personal abuse and what you are doing.
You are not aware of the law and you are just rambling off in your madness.
Your crimes are many. Most are provable. You can easily be jailed for atleast 2 charges. So, don’t just talk go on talking forever (that’s what you do for a living, we don’t).
Just give details of the case.
happyhind said
Chumber,
Exploiters masquerading as politicians should not be talking about ethics.
You do not even know the difference between personal abuse and crime. But you talk about judiciary.
What you are doing is crime (you can be easily jailed for atleast 2 charges easily provable). What we are doing is personal abuse to pressure you in.
Come to court and shout.
Now just give details of the case.
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE ASK YOUR ADVOCATE THE SENSE AND LEGAL VALUE OF THIS STATEMENT !!!!
happyhind said
January 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am
Chumber,
You do not even know the difference between personal abuse and crime. But you talk about judiciary.
C.L.CHUMBER said
” YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ? ”
YOU PLEASE READ THE 4 VEDAS , 18 PURANAS , RAMAYNA , MAHABHARTA AND WILL FIND THE CHARACTERS OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS .
I HAD NOT HURTED SENTIMENTS OF THE HINDUS. I HAD EXPOSED RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS WHO MADE OUR PEOPLE`S LIVES HELL . YOU PEOPLE SHOULD APPOLOGIZE FOR THIS FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
I WILL CONTINUE MY TASK TO EXPOSE THE EVIL GODS AND GODDESSES SO MY COUNTRY MEN MAY BE MENTALLY FREE FROM THE EVIL GODS !!!!!
happyhind said
January 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am
Chumber,
Exploiters masquerading as politicians should not be talking about ethics.
You do not even know the difference between personal abuse and crime. But you talk about judiciary.
What you are doing is crime (you can be easily jailed for atleast 2 charges easily provable). What we are doing is personal abuse to pressure you in.
Come to court and shout.
Now just give details of the case
happyhind said
Chumber,
I have faith in the judiciary….You are the one that does not.
So just keep your big mouth closed and give only this:
PAN number, Voter’s ID number, full name.
A liar like you who lied about filing a case in some “people’s parliament” actually ask about judiciary…lol…whaddajoke…cya.
hh said
Chumber,
You are just a liar and a madman, trying to get away with mere talking..
Come to court and prove whatever you want to prove.
Either you provide details of the case you filed or you give us your proof of identity so that others can file a case.
So, provide your personal details, such as full name, PAN number, Voter’s ID number, residential address, names of all your family members and accept that you will not change any statement in court.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
YOUR GOOD SELF IS CREATING BIG NUISANCE IN THIS BLOG BY ABUSING AND BLAMING WITHOUT ANY FOUNDATIONS .
NOW , YOU ARE ASKING THE NAMES FOR MY FAMILY MEMBERS .
FOR WHAT PURPOSE ?
OUR FAMILIES , FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORERS HAVE NO ROLE IN OUR E-DIALOGUE .
I AM FULLY KNOWN THAT NOWADAYS YOUR GOOD SELF IS ” MR. DUKHI RAM ”
AS YOUR REVERED GOD RAM WAS ” DUKHI ” BEING DEFEATED BY ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI IN DIALOGUE , DEFEATING PHYSICALLY BY SITA`S SONS LAV AND KUSH IN WAR , BAD PUBLIC OPINION ON THE MURDER OF INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK AND COMPELLING SITA TO COMMIT SUICIDE .( REFRENCE : VALMIKI RAMAYNA`S UTTRA KAND / CHAPTER .) .
THEN RAM HIMSELF COMMITED SUICIDE WITH LAKSHMAN !!!!! PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW THE RAM`S SUICIDEL PATH IN DISTRESS ! BE BRAVE AND DARE TO ACCEPT FULL AND FINALLY THAT YOU ARE REJECTING OUTRIGHTLY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS AS YOU DECLARED THAT YOU ARE AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM . PLEASE LEAVE THE FLICKERING MIND AND BE BOLD TO DYNAMITE THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!! W ARE WITH YOU !!!!!
hh said
January 30, 2009 @ 2:45 am
Chumber,
– –
So, provide your personal details, such as full name, PAN number, Voter’s ID number, residential address, names of all your family members and accept that you will not change any statement in court.
happyhind said
So Chumber, You are such a sissy are you? So scared?
Come to court and prove whatever you want to prove.
Just keep your big mouth shut and provide your full name, PAN number, Voter’s ID number, residential address, full names of all your family members and accept that you will not change any statement in court.
All of the above details are needed to establish proof of your identity in court, so that you do not get away by claiming it is not me. Since you are born to tell and live only on lies, you can very well do that.
Moreover since it is easy to proove you are mad, if you say it was not me on the blog, the court has no reason not to accept it….so to nail you properly to get correct proof of identity, provide all the full names of all you family members and the rest of the details asked.
happyhind said
I wrote in detail in my monthly magazine in July , 1986 , the government banned that issue and even imposed TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A but did not dare to arrest me . Mr. V.T. Rajshekar and myself were the two on whom TADA was imposed .
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Chumber,
Forget all other proofs of identity asked. Just Give your TADA file number.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I AM BORN TO DYNAMITE THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM AND THE IMAGES OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
happyhind said
February 2, 2009 @ 9:40 am
Since you are born to tell and live only on lies, you can very well do that.
hh said
I AM BORN TO DYNAMITE THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM AND THE IMAGES OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
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Lol…
Just give your TADA case file number.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
WHO ARE YOU TO ASK FILE NUMBER OF TADA CASE ?
ARE YOU ABOVE THE GOVERNMENT OR CONSTITUTION ? ?
YOU CAN ASK FROM THE HOME MINISTRY , PUNJAB GOVERNMENT !
happyhind said
February 3, 2009 @ 8:40 am
Chumber,
Forget all other proofs of identity asked. Just Give your TADA file number.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE FREEDOM ADOPTED BY THE PRESENT ” SAWDESI ” RULERS . ? ? ? ? ?
Recently, the Indian government recognized the Namdhari Movement and the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs as the parts of the National freedom movement on 27th January, 2009 . The both movements will be entitled for the Grants and freedom fighters honour scheme-1980 AD. Professor Malvinder Singh a prominent historian filed a public interest litigation petition in the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Chandigarh to declare these movements as part of the National freedom movement. Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia was awarded by Mrs. Indira Gandhi then Prime Minister of India as freedom fighter of the Gadhar Party, USA but he was never honoured as the founder of the social resurgent movement the Adi-Dharam Mandal Punjab. Why not the Indian government and state governments declare these social resurgent movements AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS i.e. Adi-Dharam Mandal of North India , Adi-Dravida of Tamilnadu , Namo-Shudra of Bengal , Adi-Andhra of Andhra Pardesh , Adi-Karnatka of Karnatka , Mahar Movement of Maharashtra , Satya Shodak Samaj of Pune , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha of U.P , Scheduled Castes Federation , Baba Ayyan Kali and Narayana Guru of Kerala`s movements , revered Periyar’s self respect and many more which fought against the Aryan imperialism’s Varna / caste system slavery . Our Indian constitution accepted these movements ` aims and objects but did not recognized as freedom movements! Why? What is the definition of the freedom adopted by the present “sawdesi rulers “????? The Indian citizens must dare to assert to theirs legitimate as well human rights to dynamite the manuwadi spirit forever to establish the Indian constitution drafted by under the chairmanship of revered Baba Sahib Dr. Ambedkar. This constitution was passed by the constituent assembly elected by the then India voters as well as Indian government! LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY, EQUITY, QUALITY, LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL!!!!!
hh said
Chumber,
We have every right to ask your details as per the RTI because you are a self-appointed “statesman”. We stand for equality.
Four economically-poor people are filing a case against you. Two are Hindus, One is a Christian and the other a Muslim. The fifth one filing a case against you is me. Other such as Dilip may additionally file cases as well.
Cases are being prepared to file against You-Rajshekhar-Dalitnation on the following grounds:
1) 5-295A: Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.
2) 298: Uttering words with deliberate intent to wound religious feelings.
[for promoting enemity between members of various religious communities,
And for insulting hindu gods, vandalizing hindu scriptures and prohibitting the performance of hindu worship].
3) 504: Intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace:
[for repeatedly insulting religious sentiments and tacit approval of use of violence].
4) 501: Printing or engraving matter defaming hindu scriptures.
5) 126: Committing depredation on territories of Power at peace with the Government of India:
[For inciting divisions between Indians and Tibetans and playing with the emotions of the Tibetan Refugees in India].
6) 153B: Imputations, assertions prejudicial to national integration:
[For calling freedom fighters as communal people]
7) 509: Word, gesture or act intended to insult the modesty of a woman:
[for wrongly quoting the Manusmirthi on rape with the intension to intice women of a particular community into politically prescribed forced marriages].
8) 499: Defamation: of Nehru, Ravi Shankar, Dali Lama, Gandhi, Shankaracharaya, Swami Narayana and the Veershaivas community.
9) 503: Criminal intimidation:
[For threatening to make misuse of your SC status to file a case against me].
10) Hurting the Freedom of Conscience and Freedom to freely practice religion.
11) Appeal for TADA to be filed again based on Section 153-A: for writings and creative activities that promote disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups, or castes or communities.
12) Causing mental distress by preventing economic growth::
[You are making politics out of religion and not helping the poor in anyway . You admitted eliminating poverty is not your priority].
You have not answerd this so far:
Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran there is any right to rape?
b) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the original texts?
c) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’?
Valmiki Ramayan:
a) Where in the Ramayan has Valmiki spoken badly abour Ram?
b) Where in Ramayan or anywhere did Valmiki speak about “dynamatizing the system’ and removing varna?
Indian Constitution:
a) Where in the constitution has the Indian government banned Vishnu and Hindu Gods?
b) Where in the constitution does it say that Hindus cannot worship in their own way or follow their faith.
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith?
hh said
Any Indian can ask a lunatic who has self-appointed himself as a self-proclaimed statesman (lol) for details to file a case.
Politicians are public servants. Every politician is answerable to the public when questioned.
Maybe the police understood that you are mad, and therefore did not waste time on you with any arrest.
But obviously your lunacy has pushed you to stretch your luck too far. This time you will not be spared.
Four Indian citizens are filing a case against you.
If you are not a coward, give your TADA case file number or personal proof of identity.
Come to court and prove about your “good self” and other people as ‘bad self” and whatever other nonsense you want to prove.
Do not expect respect. You are a criminal and you will be treated as one.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
WHAT CAN AN HABITUAL ABUSER GIVE RESPECT TO OTHERS ?
WHAT CAN A WORSHIPER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS GIVE RESPECT TO OTHERS ? ?
WHAT CAN A BOASTER OF CLAIMING AGAINST RAPE-ISM AS WELL AS WORSHIPING RAPISTS GIVE RESPECT TO OTHERS ? ? ?
WHAT IS THE ETHICAL AND LEGAL VALUE OF THE RESPECT OF SUCH A PERSON WHO HIMSELF IS NOT A RESPECTABLE PERSON ? ? ? ?
WE ARE NOT IN NEED OF RESPECT FROM THOSE PERSONS WHO DO NOT HONOUR EVEN SUPREME COURT`S JUDGMENT ON ” IDIOT ” CALLING ?????
hh said
February 8, 2009 @ 6:34 am
Do not expect respect. You are a criminal and you will be treated as one.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
I HAVE ALREADY REPLIED BUT YOU DID NOT NOTICED AS YOU ARE ALWAYS BUSY IN ABUSING AND BLAMING GAME TO MAKE OTHER HINDUS HAPPY !!!!!
YOUR GODS RAPED YOUR COMMUNITIES LADIES AND YOU ARE AGAINST YOUR BRAHMIN LADIES BUT I AM IN THEIRS SUPPORT !!!!!
BE ASHAMED OF YOUR DIRTY TACTICS !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
January 27, 2009 @ 3:24 am
3.8 Sex
The Authors of the Hindu scriptures never considered sex as a taboo “For the twice-born men, at first, a woman of the same Caste is approved for marrying; but those who act from lust, lower Castes women may be in order (aswives). A Shudra woman alone is the wife of the Shudra; but she and a woman of his own Caste are legally wives of a Vaishya; they two (Shudra and Vaishya) and also woman of his own Caste are wives of a Kashatriya; these three (Kashatriya, Vaishya and Shudra) women and a woman of his own Caste are the wives of the Brahman.”36
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/dsnuk.htm#e
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
Chumber,
You have not answerd this so far:
Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran:
a) Where in the Manusmrithi / PadmaPuran there is any right to rape?
b) Why did you propagate this idea without reading the original texts?
c) Why did you specifically use this to target women of brahmin community ‘to remove them from varna’?
hh said
Chumber,
Just give your proof of personal identity. Give you PAN and Voter Card numbers, your full name, residential address and names of all your family members. Come to court and prove anything you want to prove.
C. l . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
1.WHERE THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION PERMITTED TO WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ?
2.I NEVER OBJECTED YOUR WAY OF WORSHIPING IN YOUR OWN WAY OR FOLLOW THE FAITH ?
3. I OBJECTED ONLY THE WORSHIPING OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !
4. IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I OBJECTED ON BHAI GURDAS BALADS IN WHICH HE WROTE ADI MAH BHAGWAN VALMIKI AS DACOIT AND HE WROTE DEROGATORY REMARKS AGAINST LADIES OF CHUHRA CASTE LADIES . THE AKALI GOVERNMENT HAD TO BAN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURE TO WHICH THEY CLAIM IT WAS THE KEY OF GURU GRANTH SAHEB !
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
Chumber,
Indian Constitution:
a) Where in the constitution has the Indian government banned Vishnu and Hindu Gods?
b) Where in the constitution does it say that Hindus cannot worship in their own way or follow their faith.
C. l . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
1.THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION GAVE ME FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY VIEWS BY WRITING & SPEAKING ! YOUR SCRIPTURES CONFIRM YOUR GODS AS RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AND I AM JUST WRITING ON THE BASIS OF THESE SCRIPTURES .
2.WHERE DID I MADE POLITICS ON RAMAYNA .YOU ASK MR. L.K. ADVANI WHO IS MAKING POLITICS OUT OF THE RAMAYNA !
3.I AM NOT INTERFERING IN YOUR FAITH .BUT YOU HAVE BLIND FAITH IN THE EVIL GODS . PLEASE BELIEVE IN FAITH NOT IN BLIND FAITH .
hh said
February 5, 2009 @ 12:57 pm
Chumber,
Chumber,
Law:
a) Who gave you the legal right to call our gods rapists, racists and fascists?
b) Who gave you the legal right to make politics out of the Ramayan?
c) Who gave you the right to interefere in anyone’s faith?
hh said
If you are so confident about the indian constitution and your fundamental rights, then come to court and prove it.
Provide your personal proof of identity. And confirm that you will not change or withdraw any comment made by you in court.
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
C . L . CHUMBER said
In the introduction of the book ‘ Women of Pride : the Devadasi heritage ‘ written by Mrs.Lashmi Vishwanathanwe read ,” The devadasi was the proverbial dancing girl of India . Her name immediately suggests the two words she inhabited – those of Gods and of slaves .She served Gods ( deva ) , and men who assumed godly status , as a slave ( dasi ) , and considered it an honour in doing so .The persona of the God changed over time . First , he was the allpowerful Supreme Being ,worshiped in the temple . Later , he was the ‘ king’ who was attended by elaborate ceremony . Gradually , the king too became God , and demanded divine rights . The devdasi shifted throughthe vicissitudes of temple , court and social life , unfaltering in her trained steps ! ”
The worthy writer dared to establish ,” In vedic times Pumschali was the courtsean who became a gandharvagrihita – one possessed by a gandharva , or a celestial spirit .She danced and served holy men known as rishis . She also served Kings , being an expert in a plethora of royal rituals . MYTHOLOGY TRACES HER ORIGIN TO THE HEAVENLY NYMPH , THE DANCING APASARA , WHO WAS CREATED BY LORD BRAHMA …! ” THE WRITER CLAIMED THAT APASARA MENAKA SEDUCED THE SAGE VISHVAMITRA AND URVASI WAS THE FIRST DEVDASI OR ‘ SLAVE OF THE GODS ‘ WHO DANCED TO WELL COME RAMA AND SITA , BACK IN THE AYODHYA AFTER THEIR EXILE !( PAGE 6) .THERE IS A CHAPTER ‘ MARRIED TO THE GOD , SLAVES OF MEN ‘.
I AM SORRY THAT I COULD NOT FULFILL MY PROMISE TO VISIT VARINDAVAN / MATHURA TO DO FIELD STUDY ON WIDOWS TO WHOME THE PANDAS EXPLOIT SEXUALLY . IN FUTURE , I WILL VISIT . THANKS AGAIN .
C . L . CHUMBER said
NOW , I COME TO THE POINTS THAT I WILL WRITE ON DAY TO DAY POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS AS OUR SWEET COUNTRY IS BEING READY TO GO FOR A DECISIVE PARLIAMENTARY ( LOK SABHA ) ELECTION TO BE HELD IN APRIL / MAY , 2009 .
RESPECTED ADMINISTRATOR(S ) AND ESTEEMED VIEWERS !
As I said ,” And the current day to day developments in any field is more relevant to discuss to solve our day to day problems and near future planning .” .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/mayavathi-as-pm-the-change-has-arrived/#comment-4953.Our administrators also tried theirs best to present us the current topics but the discussion was mainly concentrated on Indian ancient period which was also necessary TO know the bent of mind of ruling manuwadi society and theirs religious torch bearers IN PAST AND AT PRESENT . There is a proverb ‘ WHEN THE OLD COCK CROWS , THE YOUNG COCK LEARNS ‘ which means all living creatures learn from the society . But if we worship and project the evils then how we can expect an ethical and law-binding society .
Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram once said ,” We are not concerned with what manuwadis did in past with our forefathers but we will not spare anyone who do not allow to enjoy our constitutional and human rights at present .” He in an interview to the then number one weekly of India ” the Illustrated Weekly of India ‘ said ,” QUESTION : Politicians we spoke to in Delhi say that if the BSP gets too belligerent they will finish you politically.KANSHI RAM : WE WILL FINISH THEM .BECAUSE IF INDIRA CAN BE FINISHED BY A CHAMAR, ARE THESE FELLOWS GOING TO BE SAVED? WHEN WE ARE 90 PERCENT IN THE ARMED FORCES, 70 PER CENT IN THE BSF, 50 PER CENT IN THE CRPF AND THE POLICE, WHO CAN DO INJUSTICE TO US? A GENERAL NEEDS LESS BULLETS COMPARED TO JAWANS .THEY MAY HAVE GENERALS BUT NO JAWANS.QUESTION: Are you advocating an eye for an eye? KANSHI RAM : TWO EYES .I tell my followers Ek Eet Ka Jawab, Do Pathron Se ( you must retaliate for one brick with two stones ) , otherwise you are not my followers .QUESTION: So you are propagating violence.KANSHI RAM: I am propagating strength. To curb violence, I must have strength .”
To curb violence in society the Britishers gave us : !.Democratic system equal for all . 2.Judicial system equal for all .3.Constitutional system based on equality , liberty , fraternity and justice to all .4.English language which is a bridge between all Indian elites as well as the non-Indian world .Once Mr.V.T. Rajshekar ,editor . The Dalit Voice fortnightly rightly wrote ,” English is the passport of knowledge.” 5.The railway and communication system which created unity in Indians .
After Independence from the Britishers our governments tried to maintain this system but the old thinking of ruling society created hurdles by mafia and money . But it is true that the masses are taking part in the voting very actively even at the cost of theirs lives . The latest election held in our esteemed state J & K is the proof . We salute the voters of J & k state .
Now, I come to the point that I will write on day to day political developments as our sweet country is being ready to go for a decisive parliamentary ( Lok Sabha ) election expected to be held in April / May , 2009 .I feel sorry from the administrators and viewers that I mainly concentrated on the evil Gods RATHER ON THE TOPICS .I beg pardon for this and wish to clear that I have no ill will against any caste , creed , religion and area except evils and evil persons ! Our Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass advised us that evil was evil .He said that the alcohol is injurious to health as well as society even distilled from the water of the holy Ganga river ! He also advised that ‘ Mann changa taan kathauti which Ganga ‘ means if our mind is pure then even the Ganga runs in the earthen pot where a shoe-maker dips leather ! Our Adi-Mahaguru Kabir also said that He had a pious transparent mind like pious transparent the Ganga ( now the Ganga is polluted by the latrines and urine etc.of its followers ! ) and even the God recited ‘ Kabir ,Kabir ‘ ! Let us dynamite the caste / varna system to strengthen our democracy for which India is known worldwide !
I do hope that we will participate day to day political developments in a cordial way ! Thanks to all .
C . L CHUMBER said
WE SHOULD COME OUT OF THE WELLS OF REGIONS / CASTES AND SWIM IN THE PONDS , RIVERS AND SEAS !!!!!
In a suspected case of honour killing , Suman devi ( 20 ), a Gujjar girl of village Pandori Beet in Garhshankar sub-division ( Hoshiarpur ) in Punjab , was murdered with sharpedged weapons and her lover , Mr. Ashok Kumar( 24 ) , a Rajput of nearby Kot village , was seriously injured .Mr. Ashok was refered to PGI , Chandigarh . But now he improved and referred to Civil Hospital , Hoshiarpur .No arrest has been so far .
The centre government and the Punjab government announced Rs. 50,000 grant to the inter-caste married couples by equal sharing but the governments and society could not create amicable environment .We appreciate Heer-Ranjha ,Sassi-Punnu , Sohani-Mahiwal , Laila-Majhanu but can not bear the existence of contemporary lovers ! Why ? Do we not wish to dynamite the varna / caste system created by the manuwadis by inter- caste marriages as well as inter -varna marriages or part and parcel of this filthy system ?
One thing is clear that no power in the world can stop to die this filthy caste system as the well educated youths of all castes / varnas hate this system and when we WILL celebrate the centenary of the Adi-dharam Mandal in 1926 AD , atl east inter-caste marriages among scheduled castes will be a routine work ! As our Baba Saheb Dr. Ambedkar appealed his followers to dynamite the Vedas which had the first ever evidence of caste / varna system .At least , we can arrange inter-state / inter-regions marriages between the residents of Majha , Doaba and Malwa regions within our own castes ! We should come out of the wells of regions / castes and swim in the ponds , rivers and seas ! We pay obeisance to our daughter late Miss ( ? ) Suman Devi and share grieves with Mr. Ashok Kumar , a widower before marriage .
C . L . CHUMBER said
Please refer to my previous writing dated 26th instant ” In a suspected case of honour killing , Suman Devi ( 20 ), a Gujjars girl of village Pandori Beet in Garhshankar sub-division ( Hoshiarpur ) , was murdered with sharp edged weapons and her lover , Mr. Ashok Kumar( 24 ) , a Rajput of nearby Kot village , was seriously injured .Mr. Ashok was refered to PGI Chandigarh . But now he improved and refered to Civil Hospital, Hoshiarpur .No arrest has been so far. ”
Now the Punjabi Tribune daily published a news that the lover Mr. Ashok Kumar not the relatives of Suman Devi killed her as she refused to marry with him . Her marriage was fixed with another boy on 28th February , 2009 . The police got 2 days police remand of Mr. Ashok Kumar from the court . There is a Punjabi song ” Piar the kahani loko kithey aa ke ruk gayi . Haasiyaan ton shuru ho ke , hanjuaan te mukk gayi ” means ” Look the people at the stoppage of a love story which started with smiles and ended in tears ! “
aniket said
It is such a pity to see that instead of trying to find ways of uplifting the downtrodden,people are busy expressing their cheap, derogating and downright outrageous views about Brahmins. How can someone even conceive the idea that a pure man like Dr. Ambedkar would have wanted his followers to marry brahmin girls just to curb the progeny of the brahmin community?It is an insult to his teachings and work, not to mention an indication of the quality of character of the man who thought this was what Dr.Ambedkar meant.
Try to imagine an India minus the political,literary,economic and technological contribution of the brahmin community. It is imperative on all of us to realize that brahmins are indeed an indispensable asset of the fabric of our country. The vice of caste based discrimination that breeds in the minds of a few needs to be dealt with.Brahmins are the most educated,active and progressive community in the country today. Brahmin women are as far from being opressed as you are from your true cause of helping the deprived.What is your motto? Try and avenge the injustice done on your forefathers 3000 years ago by the cheapest mode you can think of(like selectively trying to marry brahmin girls) and not let the society live in peace and harmony OR try and work out schemes to move India towards a society where an individual is judged on the basis of his merit and not any other parameter?
If brahmin girls are opressed, why do almost all of them marry within their caste?I’ll tell you why. Brahmins look better, think better and live better.Live with that. Nobody is trying to suppress you today. And it is in your best interest your disgustingly cheap thinking and develop a broader outlook.
C . L . CHUMBER said
aniket said
March 21, 2009 @ 12:48 pm
It is such a pity to see that instead of trying to find ways of uplifting the downtrodden,people are busy expressing their cheap, derogating and downright outrageous views about Brahmins.
MY ANSWER IS : We are not any caste / varna / religion which is not pro-manuwad and pro-Indian constitution .The Brahmins as community are still against the non-Brahmins due their manuwadi bent of mind ! That is why the Indian Constitution can not still implemented and the caste / varna system is still prevalent .Did Brahmins as community ever started any movement to anihilate the caste / varna system ?
( 2 ) How can someone even conceive the idea that a pure man like Dr. Ambedkar would have wanted his followers to marry brahmin girls just to curb the progeny of the brahmin community ?It is an insult to his teachings and work, not to mention an indication of the quality of character of the man who thought this was what Dr.Ambedkar meant.
MY ANSWER IS : You declared Dr. Ambedkar as ” a pure man ” and other hand you sided with manuwadi Brahmins ! Actually , you have a flickering mind !India government and state governments are encouraging intercaste marriages with Rs. twenty five thousands from the centre plus stste grant ! What have you problem in the intercaste marriages ?
( 3 )Try to imagine an India minus the political,literary,economic and technological contribution of the brahmin community. It is imperative on all of us to realize that brahmins are indeed an indispensable asset of the fabric of our country.
MY ANSWER IS :How many Brahmins did discoveries and inventions except varna / caste system and worshiping rapist , racist and fascist Gods ? The Brahmins must realize as community that they must be an asset of Indian costututional fabric of our country instead of manuwadi system .They should denounce the varna system , evil Gods and claim of their superiority than non-Brahmins in thier own interest !
( 4 ) The vice of caste based discrimination that breeds in the minds of a few needs to be dealt with.Brahmins are the most educated,active and progressive community in the country today.
MY ANSWER IS : The Brahmin community is deadly against the Indian Constitution .That is why they passed their own constitution in the DHARAM SANSAD ! A well educated and progressive person / community can not worship the castiest Brahma , Vishanu and their fascist , rapist and racist incarnations !
( Five ) Brahmin women are as far from being opressed as you are from your true cause of helping the deprived.What is your motto? Try and avenge the injustice done on your forefathers 3000 years ago by the cheapest mode you can think of(like selectively trying to marry brahmin girls) and not let the society live in peace and harmony OR try and work out schemes to move India towards a society where an individual is judged on the basis of his merit and not any other parameter?
MY ANSWER IS : Our forefathers were pro women and almost all the Gods of Brahmins deserted even their wives ! The Gods of Brahmins raped the women which is evident from the Hindu scriptures ! We are torent class even at the cost of our slavery .The Sikhs killed Mrs. Indira Gandhi who ordered the Blue Star Operation at the Golden Temple premises and they also killed Mr. Vaidya head of the Army in Pune. But we did nothing violently and you blame us false ! In India merit is not judged ! If merit is judged , then Brahma , Vishanu and their incarnations had been banned who were anti merit ! The Brahmin word is anti merit ! Please research the origin of the Brahmin word and the Brahmin world !!!!!
( SIX ) If brahmin girls are opressed, why do almost all of them marry within their caste? I’ll tell you why. Brahmins look better, think better and live better.
MY ANSWER IS : The followers of the RAPIST GODS can not look better , live better and think better .Who bloody fool created the Dev Dasi like filthy system for women !
( 7 ) Live with that. Nobody is trying to suppress you today. And it is in your best interest your disgustingly cheap thinking and develop a broader outlook.
MY ANSWER IS : Can you live with your enemies ? The Manuwadi system did not allow Babu Jagjivan Ram to be PM of India having two third majority in the parliament and the President of India dissolved the Lok Sabha on the recommendation of a nominated PM on the day of proving majority ! The Brahmins washed the statue of Dr. Sampurna Nand with the dirty water of the Ganga river which was inagurated by Babu ji !The Brahmins oppose the constitutional reservation becuase they are anti constitution and pro Manusimrity ! The pro Manusimirty people can not have a broader look !
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Please read these lines below
MY ANSWER IS : We are not any caste / varna / religion which is not pro-manuwad and pro-Indian constitution .
AS
MY ANSWER IS : We are not AGAINST any caste / varna / religion which is not pro-manuwad and ARE pro-Indian constitution .
hh said
Chumber,
You have started repeating your tape-recorder answers again.
You saw the case of Varun Gandhi. Do not play fool.
People like you should be thrown into the jail. Dealing with upturned dog tails like you will never work. Kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi.
I am certain I can get you a maximum jail term for inciting hatered and hurting religious sentiments.
Just provide your Voter’s ID and PAN number or TADA case file number. Do not play fool and try to escape. Come to court, chepio.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Satguru Kabir preached that a dog is better than a Brahmin ( manuwadi ) .
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE DOG AND ELEPHANT ARE THE MOST FAITHFUL ANIMALS IN THE WORLD !!!!!
I AM PROUD TO BE CALLED ME AS A BARKING DOG !!!!!
THE DOG ALWAYS BARKS AT SUSPICIOUS PERSONS !!!!!
I AM BARKING AT THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS !!!!!
IS MY BARKING UNETHICAL , ILLOGICAL OR ILLEGAL ? ? ? ? ?
YOU WROTE ,” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER .”
I AM BARKING BUT YOU ARE NOT ACCOMPANYING ME .
YOU CALL ME EVERY TIME MAD .I THINK YOUR GOOD SELF IS YET TO BE AN
IDEAL MAN !!!!!
hh said
March 26, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
Chumber,
Dealing with upturned dog tails like you will never work. Kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi.
hh said
THE DOG AND ELEPHANT ARE THE MOST FAITHFUL ANIMALS IN THE WORLD !!!!!
I AM PROUD TO BE CALLED ME AS A BARKING DOG !!!!!
THE DOG ALWAYS BARKS AT SUSPICIOUS PERSONS !!!!!
I AM BARKING AT THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS !!!!!
IS MY BARKING UNETHICAL , ILLOGICAL OR ILLEGAL ? ? ? ? ?
YOU WROTE ,” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER .”
I AM BARKING BUT YOU ARE NOT ACCOMPANYING ME .
YOU CALL ME EVERY TIME MAD .I THINK YOUR GOOD SELF IS YET TO BE AN
IDEAL MAN !!!!!
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Chumber,
Thanks for accepting you are a dog.
Thanks for inviting. I cannot join you because I keep away from rabid dogs. They try to bite and kill everyone before they die. They are not faithful because they are mad.
A Brahmin said
“Satguru Kabir preached that a dog is better than a Brahmin ( manuwadi ) .”
Moron Chumber,
If you want people not to speak ill about your caste, you better not dare to utter such filth about others. And once again, you are talking about manusmruti, dev dasi and other such things that were in establishment 3000 years in the past! Try to see what is in the present. Nobody except you is worried about their caste. If you hold on to your caste so tightly, how can it ever be abolished? If you want the caste system to fade away, stop issuance of caste certificates and segregating the society officially on the lines of caste! Stop any and every special treatment given to any caste what – so – ever and let all be gauged only on the basis of their merit. Today those who are oppressed are so because of their economic status! extend help to the poor, regardless of their caste.
“Did Brahmins as community ever started any movement to anihilate the caste / varna system ?”
I’m sorry, but did you not read your history text books properly? Raja Ram Mohan Roy was a brahmin! He was the father of the Indian Renaissance! Besides there are more number of brahmins working for the dalits than dalits themselves even today!
“India government and state governments are encouraging intercaste marriages with Rs. twenty five thousands from the centre plus stste grant ! What have you problem in the intercaste marriages ?”
Why the desparation to marry brahmins and be a part of our circles when you claim you so very hate us!I don’t have any problem with inter caste marriages. If there is mutual consent then nobody has the right to stop the marriage. I just feel disgusted that you people want to marry brahmins so that you can “pollute the varna of the brahmins” and not because you like someone. its just extremely cheap and pathetic.
“How many Brahmins did discoveries and inventions except varna / caste system and worshiping rapist , racist and fascist Gods ?”
Do you even know how many nobel laurets of india are brahmins? Do you even know that the proportion of brahmins in almost all research institutes is way greater than that of any other section of the society? Make a list of scientists from india and see for yourself that an overwhelming majority of them are brahmins. And note we don’t have reservations! We have have earned those positions solely on the basis of our caliber. We don’t want to steal morsels from the mouths of others to fill our stomach(steal seats from deserving candidates)! The poor brahmins do not get any help from the govt and are left for dead. But they don’t ask for reservation because reservations are anti democracy. Most of the great leaders of our country, Lal Bahadur shastri, Lokmanya tilak, Pt. Nehru,etc etc etc were brahmins. and if you so very hate everything in the hindu system, why don’t you denounce hinduism? You won’t do that because you want free stuff from the govt. nothing else.
once again i urge you to realise for your own good that you are becoming your own enemy!We are far from being your enemies. Rather than focusing your energy towards hating brahmins, use it to help the downtrodden( and those include poor brahmins as well)
C.L.CHUMBER said
IF YOU CALL ME MORON , MAD AND IDIOT , I WILL RETALIATE PERFECTLY !!!!!
A Brahmin said
April 2, 2009 @ 5:59 am
“Satguru Kabir preached that a dog is better than a Brahmin ( manuwadi ) .”
Moron Chumber,
Abrahma said
Wow…some funny discussion out here! Why the hell should anyone even care if Ambedkar ji married a chitpavan! It was his choice…why draw unnecessary conclusions from it!
Cl Chumber ji seems pretty much in a brahman bashing mood here. For some reason Fascism/ Rapist etc etc are being uttered a bit too frequently here, whereas even according to manusmriti a brahman is a person who is supposed to be beyond these very concepts. And Chumber ji, when you call brahmin fascists etc, the way you have been going about your brahman bashing leaves no difference between you and your perception of brahmins.There doesn’t seem to be any difference between you and a brahman if looked at from your viewpoint. You have been making some baseless allegations about a certain class of people without quoting actual proofs for what you say! You don’t even seem to understand the concept of brahma vishnu and mahesh. There are female gods in the hindu pantheon(i dont think they are rapists..are they?). You have absolutely no clue about what varna system is. Simply put, it is just a way of classifying people based on karma.To simply say in todays scenario…what would you call Dawood Ibrahim- who is on a killing spree…..a pawn of dawood- who kills on order ….A soldier fighting on the border- protecting us from the attackers….Mukesh Ambani- who earns money whatever Dawood or the soldier does…….
The answer is simple The soldier would be a kshatriya and Ambani a vaishya who actually is only bothered about his money and dawoods pawn is a kshudra, who has no clue why he kills people.Dawood is a mlenchha …he deserves to be an outcast unless he does some really big redeeming act…the varna system allows for that…you know valmiki! Now for dawood to redeem himself, he needs someone who can truly change him inside out…that task can be achieved only by a brahman not because of any rigid structure, but because the brahman is the only person who can see through dawood, understand his misery, take that as personal misery, make him realise his misery and hence successfully work on it.Any preson who can achieve such tasks would qualify as a brahmin, regardless of what he/she is by birth.That I believe is a pretty practical way of classifying people.
Occassional incorrect interpretations of vedic manuscripts/ absolute ignorance about the concepts of veda-shruti-smruti by the western scholars is pretty well established. The vaidic philosophy was so beyond them that they interpreted it in extremely unusual ways tending to idiotic on occasions.The worst part is the extreme political influence over the text books (based on western interpretations), increasing hatred for a brilliantly developed language like saunskrut are ruining things further.
Chumber ji…if you have any misconception about brahmin girls being treated badly or as filth at home, please clean your mind from such thoughts. The environment in brahmin houses is pretty much free and girls are not married off to settle business deals as in many vaishya households (take many aggarwals for instance). There is particularly a high number of chitpawans marrying out of caste and even out of religion since the last two generations. No one objects there, though the girls end up facing brahman bashing similar to what you are doing right now and realise they committed the biggest mistake of their life having done that!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS NO NEW TO WHICH I HAVE TO REPLY AS HE / SHE IS ALSO IN DEFENCE OF MANUWAD !!!!!
Abrahma said
April 4, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Abrahma said
“THERE IS NO NEW TO WHICH I HAVE TO REPLY AS HE / SHE IS ALSO IN DEFENCE OF MANUWAD !!!!!”
What is Manuwad……give a decent, logical and perceptible answer without using that same old fascist/ rapist etc etc comments. We have heard too much of that…how about a better and more reasonable debate on the issue?
A Brahmin said
you are yet to answer to my post… you moron….
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. RAM VILAS PASVAN , PRESIDENT , THE LOK JAN SHAKTI PARTY RELEASED HIS PARTY`S ELECTION MANIFESTO FOR THE LOK SABHA ELECTION 2009 AD IN WHICH HE PROMISED TO BAN THE RSS AND ITS OFF SHOOTS !!!!!
MR. PASVAN PLAYED AN HISTORICAL ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING THE MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT IN JOBS FOR OBCs UNDER THE PRIME MINISTERSHIP OF REVERED LATE MR. V.P. SINGH PM OF INDIA !!!!! THE CUNNING BRAHMINS USED THE OBCs AGAINST THE SC RESERVATION BUT THE INTELLIGENT SC LEADERSHIP TWISTED THE GAME AND WON TO MARCH FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF EGALITARIAN SOCIETY !!!!!
IN PUNJAB , THE DOORDARSHAN , JALANDHAR PLAYED A FOUL GAME WHEN IT TELECASTED THE NEWS THAT THE GOVERNMENT ENHANCED 25% RESERVATION ( IN PUNJAB 25% RESERVATION FOR SCs ) TO 27 % .THIS NEWS CONFUSED THE PUNJABIS ABOUT THE MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT AND THE OBCs PARTICIPATED IN THE ANTI-MANDAL MOVEMENT ! BEING A VIGILANT CITIZEN , I RELEASED THE LIST OF 84 OBCs OF PUNJAB STATE WHICH WOULD BE BENEFITED .THIS LIST PUBLISHED ON THE FRONT PAGES AND THE SC ORGANISATIONS PUBLISHED HAND BILLS ALSO .
MY ONE BRAHMIN FRIEND ASKED ME THAT WHY THE DALITS ARE LEADING THE PRO MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT MOVEMENT . I REPLIED ,” WE DALITS ARE HUMANISTS AND CONSTITUTIONAL PEOPLE AND WISH TO IMPLEMENT THE EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE ! ”
THE OBCs ARE BACKBONE OF THE MANUWAD .THAT IS WHY THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING AGAINST THE MANUWAD RELIGIOUSLY AND SOCIALLY !!!!! IF THEY DO NOT MEND THEIR WAYS , THEY WILL BE REALLY BACKWARD IN THE ENLIGHTENED WORLD !!!!!
WE APPRECIATE MR. PASVAN AND HIS PARTY FOR THEIR STAND ON RSS AND HOPE THAT ONE DAY A PARTY WILL DECLARE IN ITS MANIFESTO TO BAN ON THE HINDUISM OF THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
A BRAHMA TRIED HIS BEST TO RAPE HER DAUGHTER FIVE TIMES BUT THE SHIV JI BEHEADED HIM FOR HIS HEINOUS CRIME !!!!!
NOW A PERSON CLAIMED TO BE A BRAHMA AND BRAHMIN BORN FROM BRAHMA`S FILTHY MIND / HEAD !!!!!
A PERSON HAVE TWO FICTITIOUS NAMES BECAUSE OF HIS / HER CHICKEN HEARTED MIND !!!!!
I WILL give a decent, logical and perceptible answer TO a decent, logical and perceptible PERSON NOT TO THE BIGGEST EVER MORON !!!!!
Abrahma said
April 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm
What is Manuwad……give a decent, logical and perceptible answer without using that same old fascist/ rapist etc etc comments. We have heard too much of that…how about a better and more reasonable debate on the issue?
AND
A Brahmin said
April 14, 2009 @ 7:43 am
you are yet to answer to my post… you moron….
A Brahmin said
Just admit it!. you don’t have an argument to my post. what i have said is absolutely right and since you know you know you can’t beat my argument you are running away from it! you are not just a blabbering moron but a coward as well.
C . L . CHUMBER said
CONGRESS DID NOT DO JUSTICE TO AMBEDKAR ! – MR. ADVANI .
MR. L.K. ADVANI OF BJP ALLEGED THAT THE CONGRESS DID NOT DONE JUSTICE TO DR. AMBEDKAR .HE BLAMED THAT MR. NEHRU IGNORED HIM BY NOT NOMINATING TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY .THE CONGRESS REFUTED MR. ADVANI .
MR. ADVANI`S PARTY FAVORS CONGRESS STALWART SARDAR VALLABH BHAI PATEL AS AN IRON MAN . THE SAME MR. PATEL OPPOSED DR. AMBEDKAR`S ENTRY IN THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY .BUT BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA OF PUNJAB AND DR. JOGINDER NATH MANDAL OF BENGAL MANAGED TO ELECT DR. AMBEDKAT FROM KHULNA SEAT NOW IN BANGLA DESH .DR. AMBEDKAR HAD TO RESIGN THAT SEAT DUE TO ITS AREA `S ALLOCATION TO THE THEN EAST PAKISTAN .THEN A CONGRESS LEADER DR. M.R. JAYAKAR RESIGNED FROM HIS POONA SEAT AND DR. AMBEDKAR WAS GOT RE-ELECTED TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY .
IT WAS THE RULING CONGRESS PARTY WHICH NOMINATED DR. AMBEDKAR AS THE CHAIRMAN , THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY AND FIRST EVER LAW MINISTER OF INDEPENDENT INDIA. AT THE SAME TIME ANOTHER DALIT LEADER OF BENGAL DR. JOGINDER NATH MANDAL WAS NOMINATED THE FIRST EVER LAW MINISTER OF PAKISTAN !!!!!
BUT DR. AMBEDKAR WAS NOT INDEPENDENT TO DRAFT THE CONSTITUTION AS THE BUDDHISTS , JAINS AND SIKHS ARE RECODES AS HINDUS !!!!! HE WAS NOT SUCCEEDED IN PASSING THE HINDU CODE BILL DUE TO THE OPPOSITION OF THE RSS AND PASSIVENESS OF MR. NEHRU WHICH RESULTED IN BABA SAHEB`S RESIGNATION FROM THE CABINET !!!!!
THIS WAS THE POLITICAL SITUATION . BABA SAHEB WAS FED UP WITH THE MANUWADI SOCIETY AND EMBRACED THE BUDDHISM TO COUNTER THE BRAHMINISM .HE ASKED HIS FOLLOWERS ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956 TODISCARD THE BRAHMA , VISHANU , MAHESH , GAURI AND GANPATI / GANESH !!!!! BUT MR. ADVANI`S BJP PROMISED TO BUILD A BIG RAM TEMPLE . KING RAM WAS THE SAME PERSON WHO KILLED A PIOUS AND INNOCENT SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK .HE ALSO BANNISHED HIS WIFE SITA .MR. ADVANI AND HIS RSS AND ITS OFFSHOOTS ARE WORSHIPING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS AS GODS .OVER ALL THE MANUWADI HINDU SOCIETY STILL NOT DOING JUSTICE TO THE DALITS .
MR. ADVANI AS A HOME MINISTER OF INDIA WAS RESPOSIBLE FOR THE ABDUCTION OF SAHEB KANSHI RAM JI WHICH RESULTED IN HIS DEATH . IF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES DO THE BRAIN MAPPING OF M/S VAJPAYEE , ADVANI , M.M. JOSHI , MAYAWATI AND SATISH MISHRA , THE CONSPIRACY OF KILLING SAHEB KANSHI RAM A BIGGEST EVER DEMOCRAT OF THE WORLD WILL BE SURFACED AUTOMATICALLY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WILL NOT REPLY TO A PERSON WHO HAVE NO NAME AND ETHICS !!!!!
A THIEF DO NOT DISCLOSE HIS / HER IDENTITY !!!!!
A CULTURED PERSON DO NOT CALL OTHERS AS MORON AND COWARD !!!!!
EVEN A BASTARD HAS SOME GOOD MANNERS HOW TO RESPECT EACH OTHERS HAVING DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS !!!!!
IF YOU WANT MY VIEWS , YOU MUST HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR DEROGATORY REMARKS !!!!!
A Brahmin said
April 15, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
Just admit it!. you don’t have an argument to my post. what i have said is absolutely right and since you know you know you can’t beat my argument you are running away from it! you are not just a blabbering moron but a coward as well.
C . L . CHUMBER said
NOW BJP`S PRIME MINISTERIAL CANDIDATE MR. ADVANI FACED THE THROWN SLIPPER !!!!!
A former Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) office-bearer Thursday created a sensation by throwing a wooden slipper at senior party leader L.K. Advani when the latter was going up on stage to address a public meeting in Madhya Pradesh.
The man, identified as Pawas Agarwal, threw a ‘khadaun’ or slipper made of wood at Advani, saying he was ‘a fake iron man’ and did not deserve to be the BJP’s prime ministerial aspirant. The incident took place in Katni district, 350 km from here.
The slipper missed Advani, but he became the latest victim of a series of ‘shoe-throwing’ incidents in the country. A former Katni district president of the BJP, Agarwal was taken into custody by police.
He said the BJP should project some other leader as its prime ministerial candidate.
Agarwal told mediapersons that Advani was ‘nakli Lauh Purush’ (a fake iron man). ‘He has no ideology. On the one hand he asks for votes in the name of Ram and on the other hand pays obeisance to (Pakistan founder Mohammed Ali) Jinnah,’ he said.
On why he did not raise the issue at a party platform, Agarwal said: ‘None of the party leaders had the courage to communicate these feelings because they too were not allowed to speak.’
Rival Congress was quick to react. Party general secretary Arvind Malviya said in Bhopal: ‘It was the result of the BJP’s double speak and its intention to exploit public sentiments in the name of religion.’
Earlier this month, Home Minister P. Chidambaram and then Congress MP Naveen Jindal were also targeted by people who wanted to express their anger by throwing footwear at these politicians.
COURTSEY :http://in.elections.yahoo.com/articles.html?feed=http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090416/818/tnl-now-slipper-thrown-at-advani.html
Sukra Charya said
“..The man, identified as Pawas Agarwal, threw a ‘khadaun’ or slipper made of wood at Advani…”.
It does not take much courage to throw a shoe at a old, defenceless man. Mr.Advani as a refugee from erstwhile Pakistan has faced much bigger challenges. So I am sure Mr.Advani can take that and more. His stature does not suffer and is in no way reduced.
Will someone ask Pawas Agarwal, if he has courage to throw the same shoe at a terrorist. Yes, the same terrorist who held Asoka Hotel. Will Pawas will have the courage to take a gun and stand at the border?
People like Mr.Agarwal are only aware of their own entitlements. Never the sacrifices of others which makes the entitlements possible.
hh said
Abrahmin,
The guy is not just a moron. He is a lunatic on the loose prowl. So forget getting any descent answers from him.
The police also did not bother about him since he is mad. He does not want to come to court because of his TADA background. He knows very well he will be sent to a mental hospital if he opens his mouth in court like this.
He says he is standing for lok sabha elections (lol 😀 ), so now you now on what platform he wants to get votes.
hh said
Abrahmin,
The guy is not just a moron. He is a lunatic on the loose prowl. So forget getting any descent answers from him.
The police also did not bother about him since he is mad. He does not want to come to court because of his TADA background. He knows very well he will be sent to a mental hospital if he opens his mouth in court like this.
He says he is standing for lok sabha elections (lol 😀 ), so now you know on what platform he wants to get votes.
C . L . CHUMBER said
A PERSON WHO WORSHIP RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS MUST BE TREATED AS THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST CHEMICALLY .
BEWARE OF LIKE THIS MORON / LUNATIC / MAD PERSONS WHO HAVE NO ETHICS !!!!!
GOVERNMENT SHOULD ARREST LIKE THESE UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL PERSONS AND PUT BEHIND THE BARS !!!!!
hh said
April 18, 2009 @ 6:05 am
Abrahmin,
The guy is not just a moron. He is a lunatic on the loose prowl. So forget getting any descent answers from him.
A brahmin said
HH,
Seriously dude! this chumber fellow is out of his F@#$ing mind!!!”Rapist Racist Facist”,””Rapist Racist Facist”,thats all he can say. And he conveniently skipped facing my argument! He knows now he can’t break through my comment. U know what the problem with this man and his likes is….. they just want everything… they don’t want to prove themselves and win it. They are just scared shitless even thinking of the idea of competing on a fair plane with us! that is why they want reservations everywhere. First in education, they want to become doctors and engineers when they have 40%on their marksheets! Then after getting education crushing the truly deserving students, they don’t stop there, they want reservations and different pay scales and promotion scales in govt jobs. And now they want reservations in the private sector as well! don’t they have a spine? Don’t they have any self respect?I mean if i were to be pushed into some institute or a job that i knew i didn’t deserve, i would have died of shame thinking i ruined the life of someone far more deserving than me. I wouldn’t have been able to live with myself! And here people go out on streets ,pelt stones,burn shops and buses to get more and more reservation! This chumber fellow talks about constitution and constitutionalism, where does this sense of adhering to the constitution go when such violent outbursts happen? and one question to be answered is whether or not the constitution and the government is responsible to protect the interests of the brahmins and all other upper castes? are we not citizens of this country? so what if brahmins are over represented in educational institutes? Those brahmin students have not tortured anyone to get those seats. they have slogged day and night to deservedly get admission on the basis of their merit. So why don’t these reserved class people use all the energy they expend in spreading hatred, to study instead! then they won’t require reservation!
hh said
Abrahmins,
Forget it. They are beggers. Let them keep reservations. Youngsters from other communities shall come up without reservations but pool resources, to show what they can be.
And yes, that chumber fellow is from the gutter. So, ofcourse he will shout and rave and rant like a rabid lunatic dog roaming the streets infecting everyone with rabies. The poor guy wants votes.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS NOT AT ALL DESERVE TO BE A RESPECTFUL COMMUNITY AS IT WORSHIP UNETHICAL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS SINCE THOUSAND YEARS !!!!!
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS A PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!!
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY CREATED AND NOURISHED A GRADED AND DEGRADED SOCIETY TO EXPLOIT !!!!!
NEVER ANY BRAHMIN PROTESTED AGAINST THIS FILTHY SYSTEM AND STARTED ANY MOVEMENT AGAINST IT !!!!!
” A BRAHMIN ” HAVING A FILTHY MANUWADI MIND CAN NOT TALK OF MERIT BECAUSE HE DO NOT DARE TO DISCLOSE HIS LEGAL NAME AND BEING A PRO-MANUWAD TALK AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION .!!!!!
A brahmin said
April 21, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
I mean if i were to be pushed into some institute or a job that i knew i didn’t deserve, i would have died of shame thinking i ruined the life of someone far more deserving than me.
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION , WE WILL BE COMPELLED TO DEMAND TO DECLARE IT UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND CRIMINAL COMMUNITY !!!!!
hh said
April 24, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
Abrahmins,
Forget it. They are beggers. Let them keep reservations.
MY ANSWER IS : THE RESERVATION FOR SCs / STs / OBCs / PHYSICAL HANDICAPEDS / PLAYERS / WARDS OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND IT IS NOT INJUSTICE TO ANY CITIZEN !!!!!
DUE TO THE MANUWADI BENT OF MIND M/S HAPPY HINDUS ARE AGAINST THESE CATEGORIES AND HENCE AGAINST THE RESERVATION !!!!!
THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENT DISMISS THE BRAHMINS IN JOBS EXCEEDING THEIR POPULATION PERCENTAGE !!!!!
THE PERSONS WHO OPPOSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS AS THIS IS THE WAR AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION AND THE COUNTRY !!!!!
THE PARLIAMENT SHOULD PASS 54% RESERVATION INSTEAD OF 27% TO THE OBCs AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL MANDAL COMMISSION REPORT !!!!!
IF THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION , WE WILL BE COMPELLED TO DEMAND TO DECLARE IT UN-CONSTITUTIONAL AND CRIMINAL COMMUNITY !!!!!
( 2 ) Youngsters from other communities shall come up without reservations but pool resources, to show what they can be.
MY ANSWER IS : THE SCs / STs / OBCs YOUNGSTERS ARE COMPETETING WITH THE OTHERS EVEN FACING THE ODD CONDITIONS !!!!!
IN MARCH 2009 , I ATTENDED THE MARRIAGE OF A SC YOUTH IN RAJKOT ( GUJARAT ) WHO IS M.A. , B.ED. HIS BROTHER IS MASTER IN ENGINEERING AND THEIR SISTER IS ALSO M.A. THEY RESIDE IN A VILLAGE ABOUT 80 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM THE RAJKOT DISTRICT HEAD QUARTER .THEY ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE LABOURER PARENTS BUT HAVING MERIT TALENT .THE BOTH BROTHERS ARE NOT GOVERNMENT SERVANTS .
BUT THE MAUWADI M/S HAPPY HINDUD NEVER APPRECIATE THESE PARENTS AND THEIR SHINING CHILDREN !!!!!
I WENT THERE WITH MY WIFE , SON AND A PROMINENT PUNJABI SINGER TO ENCOURAGE THEM AND THE ENTIRE SOCIETY OF THAT AREA .WE NEVER MET BEFORE THIS .WE REACHED THEIR VILLAGE AT 10.00 P.M.
WE ARE MARCHING TOWARDS THE RED FORT TO UNFURL THE NATIONAL FLAG AT THE RED FORT . THEN OUR YOUNGSTERS WILL NOT TOLERATE TO CALL THEIR C.L.CHUMBER LIKE ELDERS MAD , IDIOT , MORON ETC .THEY WILL CHOP OFF THE HEADS OF THE ABUSIVE M/S HAPPY HINDUS AND WILL HANG ON THE RED FORT !!!!!
( 3 ) And yes, that chumber fellow is from the gutter.
MY ANSWER IS : SATGURU KABIR PROCLAIMED THAT IF THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY CLAIM TO BE SUPERIOR TO OTHERS , THEY MUST BORN THE OTHER WAY THAN THE NON-BRAHMINS .
WE WILL FLUSH OUT YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GUTTER GODS !!!!!
( 4 ) So, of course he will shout and rave and rant like a rabid lunatic dog
roaming the streets infecting everyone with rabies. The poor guy wants votes.
MY ANSWER IS : THE RATIONAL REVOLUTIONARY THINKER SAINT KABIR WAS SO MUCH FED UP WITH THE IRRATIONAL AND COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY BRAHMIN COMMUNITY THAT HE HAD TO PROCLAIM THAT A DOG IS BETTER THAN THE ( MANUWADI ) DOG !!!!!
hh said
THEN OUR YOUNGSTERS WILL NOT TOLERATE TO CALL THEIR C.L.CHUMBER LIKE ELDERS MAD , IDIOT , MORON ETC .THEY WILL CHOP OFF THE HEADS OF THE ABUSIVE M/S HAPPY HINDUS AND WILL HANG ON THE RED FORT !!!!!
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Youngsters are fed up of abusive politcians like you who abuse faith and poverty to get votes. Nobody is treating you like an elderly person. You talk like a lunatic moron and you will be treated as one. If you are so bothered about your image, go and file a case.
Everybody is encouraging economically poor people in every way. But men like you are parasites and will never see that or understand that. Instead you manipulate the poor people for votes.
You seem to like violence very much. Take care.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
I endorse fully the views of Mr. Chumber regarding the Brahmin community who are not rational still in the 21st century .
C . L . CHUMBER said
April 24, 2009 @ 10:36 am
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS NOT AT ALL DESERVE TO BE A RESPECTFUL COMMUNITY AS IT WORSHIP UNETHICAL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS SINCE THOUSAND YEARS !!!!!
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS A PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!!
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY CREATED AND NOURISHED A GRADED AND DEGRADED SOCIETY TO EXPLOIT !!!!!
NEVER ANY BRAHMIN PROTESTED AGAINST THIS FILTHY SYSTEM AND STARTED ANY MOVEMENT AGAINST IT !!!!!
” A BRAHMIN ” HAVING A FILTHY MANUWADI MIND CAN NOT TALK OF MERIT BECAUSE HE DO NOT DARE TO DISCLOSE HIS LEGAL NAME AND BEING A PRO-MANUWAD TALK AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION .!!!!!
A brahmin said
April 21, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
I mean if i were to be pushed into some institute or a job that i knew i didn’t deserve, i would have died of shame thinking i ruined the life of someone far more deserving than me.
Sukra Charya said
“..NEVER ANY BRAHMIN PROTESTED AGAINST THIS FILTHY SYSTEM AND STARTED ANY MOVEMENT AGAINST IT ..”.
Yes, this is a good community to attack. They are too small and easily cowed down by goondas and thugs.
But Chumber, whether they protest against it or not, it does not matter. Because you do not listen to them, anyway. Look at yourself. You haven’t answered any request for evidence.
A Brahmin said
C . L . CHUMBER said
April 24, 2009 @ 10:36 am
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS NOT AT ALL DESERVE TO BE A RESPECTFUL COMMUNITY AS IT WORSHIP UNETHICAL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS SINCE THOUSAND YEARS !!!!!
Ans: Dude!!! again the same F$&@ing thing! rapist racist facist! You know at your heart that your argument is baseless! any rational man knows that one cant blame today’s generation for things that happened 4000 years in the past. and well, even you worshiped those gods for thousands of years. If you hate everything about hindu gods, why don’t you start a new religion and leave hinduism? you won’t do that because you want to beg for special rights so that you can get things you don’t deserve!
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS A PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!!
Ans:??????????????????????????????????????????
Justify your statement! don’t just spit out any filth that comes to your dirty mouth. As far as I know, chanakya, who was a brahmin gave the world “arthashastra”. Modern business schools all over the world use his work even today. 7 out of shivaji maharaj’s 8 ministers were brahmins and they advised him on economics and revenue. and we know that economic reform happened during maratha rule. Even today most of the economic thinkers and advisors in india are brahmins. and india is doing pretty good in the global market today… isn’t it? you are really naive in making such a statement!
NEVER ANY BRAHMIN PROTESTED AGAINST THIS FILTHY SYSTEM AND STARTED ANY MOVEMENT AGAINST IT !!!!!
Ans:see for yourself in this list contribution of brahmins to social reform
Some Social Reformers in India include:
* Swami Sahajanand Saraswati (brahmin)
* Shahu Maharaj
* Mahatma Jyotirao Phule
* Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar
* Tukojirao Holkar II
* Gopal Ganesh Agarkar (brahmin)
* Dhondo Keshav Karve (brahmin)
* Vitthal Ramji Shinde
* Justice Ranade (brahmin)
* Swami Dayanand Saraswati (brahmin)
* Ramakrishna Paramhansa (brahmin)
* Swami Vivekanand (brahmin)
* Virchand_Gandhi
* Vinoba Bhave (brahmin)
* Baba Amte (brahmin)
* Raja Ram Mohan Roy (brahmin)
* Balshastri Jambhekar (brahmin)
* Gopal Hari Deshmukh
* Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar (brahmin)
* Pandurang Shastri Athavale (brahmin)
13 out of 20 are brahmins!!!!!!! and you still baselessly crapped that statement out of your disgusting mouth.
” A BRAHMIN ” HAVING A FILTHY MANUWADI MIND CAN NOT TALK OF MERIT BECAUSE HE DO NOT DARE TO DISCLOSE HIS LEGAL NAME AND BEING A PRO-MANUWAD TALK AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL RESERVATION .!!!!!
Ans: now, if some one doesn’t disclose his identity, how does that make him unworthy of talking about merit???? are you on crack? do the two things have absolutely anything to do with each other? My name is Aniket Sudhakar Paranjpe. so what did you achieve by getting to know my name???? does that change the fact that reservation is killing merit in India? does it change the fact that it helps morons like you with 40% on their marksheets to become doctors and then kill people by giving wrong medicines as they did not have the caliber to become a doctor in the first place?
and about the manuwad thing…… what the hell dude!!!! what manuwadi and what anti constitution you are talking about??? Dr ambedkar wanted reservation for only 10 years. but you filthy minded greedy good for nothing bastards did not respect his wish! instead you want 50%reservation and reservation in private sectors…. admit it you are afraid of competing with us on a fair plane…. you know you will be nowhere if you don’t have reservations to push you up. you can never score as much as upper castes do. We want equality more than you do…. but your hatred for upper castes is the hinderance to it.
there are many more points you have left unaswered from my previous post. may be because your brain is incapable of finding answers to it….
hh said
there are many more points you have left unaswered from my previous post. may be because your brain is incapable of finding answers to it….
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A brahmin,
No idea how long you have been around here. But am just letting you know that the chumber chap is really a lunatic TADA case that cannot stand the word ‘brahmin’ and will rant like a mad man running across the street tearing his clothes, shouting in caps.
And yep that chap has no brain, former khalisthan case now full khaali-sthan case – so forget getting decent answers. But the chap tours different places preaching his hate ideology, manipulating the poor, abusing faith and poverty for votes. That’s the prob.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I AM A NON VIOLENT AND WORSHIP THE NON-VIOLENT GODS !!!!!
YOU M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP THE FASCIST GODS !!!!!
YOUR KRISHAN ALLURED ARJUNA TO BE READY FOR WAR TO KILL EVEN HIS BLOOD RELATIVES !!!!!
YOU M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP A BIGGEST EVER TERRORIST GOD PARSHURAM WHOSE FOLLOWERS KILLED THE KASHATTRIYA MEN AND RAPED THEIR LADIES 21 GENERATIONS !!!!! YOU NEVER CONDEMNED !
M/S HAPPY HINDUS ! You seem to like violence very much. Take care.
hh said
May 3, 2009 @ 4:51 am
You seem to like violence very much. Take care.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS A ONE OF THE CLASSIC EXAMPLES OF THE VAIDIK MANUWADI ABUSIVE E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
WHEN THERE IS NO ARGUEMENT , THE SHORT TEMPERED PEOPLE ABUSE OTHERS TO BE GENUINE !!!!!
*Ans: Dude!!! again the same F$&@ing thing!
* don’t just spit out any filth that comes to your dirty mouth.
*are you on crack?
*does it change the fact that it helps morons like you
*with 40% on their marksheets to become doctors and then kill people by giving wrong medicines as they did not have the caliber to become a doctor in the first place?
*what the hell dude!!!!
*but you filthy minded greedy good for nothing bastards
A Brahmin said
May 2, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
How many so called Brahmin social reformers discarded the rapist , racist and fascist Hindu Gods as Baba Saheb Dr. Ambedkar discarded them on 14th October , 1956 at Nagpur ? ? ? ? ?
A Brahmin said
May 2, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
Ans:see for yourself in this list contribution of brahmins to social reform
Some Social Reformers in India include:
* Swami Sahajanand Saraswati (brahmin)
* Shahu Maharaj
* Mahatma Jyotirao Phule
* Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar
* Tukojirao Holkar II
* Gopal Ganesh Agarkar (brahmin)
* Dhondo Keshav Karve (brahmin)
* Vitthal Ramji Shinde
* Justice Ranade (brahmin)
* Swami Dayanand Saraswati (brahmin)
* Ramakrishna Paramhansa (brahmin)
* Swami Vivekanand (brahmin)
* Virchand_Gandhi
* Vinoba Bhave (brahmin)
* Baba Amte (brahmin)
* Raja Ram Mohan Roy (brahmin)
* Balshastri Jambhekar (brahmin)
* Gopal Hari Deshmukh
* Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar (brahmin)
* Pandurang Shastri Athavale (brahmin)
13 out of 20 are brahmins!!!!!!! and you still baselessly crapped that statement out of your disgusting mouth.
Sukra Charya said
“How many so called Brahmin social reformers discarded…”.
Chumber,
Why should ANYONE discard ANYTHING, simply because of YOUR demand?
The persons have EARNED their fame, possibly because of their beliefs. What has your belief got to give?
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH / REWATCH THE FOLLOWING POINTS AND SEND VIEWS TO MAKE THESE POINTS MORE PERFECT !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
May 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.
(3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
(4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
(5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
(6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
(7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
( The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
publically as the brahmins of Japan did.Thanks.
C . L . CHUMBER said
We hate and struggle hard to change this socio-religious system of the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods .
Dear Viewers ,
When M/s Happy Hindus do not have any arguements , they start the abusive dialogue to demoralize others but in vain .This confirms that the modern vaidik Aryans have no civilized manners even they boasting of being merit persons . This is their merit .
They are in love with the rapist , racist and fascist Gods . In Mumbai and in Ajnala ( Amritsar ) in Punjab Hindu girls approached the police / courts that their fathers raped them every night since long period . The press highlighted their sorrows . This is due to worshiping rapist Brahma , Vishanu , Indidra etc. Hindu Gods !
My no arguement is baseless . I belive in science`s questionare ‘ when , where , why , how , what , who ‘ .
Yet , i do not claim to be perfect . But these people never condemn the rapist , racist and fascist Gods due to their manuwadi minds ,No civilized society or a person likes the rapist , racist and fascist Gods . We must hate these evil Gods and their evil followers .
A Brahmin said quite right ,” any rational man knows that one cant blame today’s generation for things that happened 4000 years in the past .” But if the today`s generation worship , highlight and defend the persons who were rapists , racists and fascists then they have to be blamed and ‘awarded ‘ suitably . A rational man can not claim to be ‘ A Brahmin ‘. The Brahmin community `s history is anti-rational and anti-national.They can kill even Swami Daya Nand Saraswati and Mr. M.K. Gandhi to save the manuwad !
Mr.’ A Brahmin ‘ again asked a right question ,” If you hate everything about hindu gods, why don’t you start a new religion and leave hinduism ? ” I am to say that I do not hate the Hindu Gods or their followers but I hate the rapists , racists and fascists Gods and their followers . We aboriginal Indians are not Hindus , we are the slaves of the Vaidik Hindu Aryans ! Our Adi-Bhagwan valmiki proclaimed that the mother and motherland is always better than the heaven but the forigner Ayans captured our land and mothers . Their manuwadi king of Ayodya Rama ( who was not the son of Dashrath but his mother wad made pregnant by rishi Sharingi who was son of the daughter of Dashrath . For details , please watch my writings in the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com ! ) killed a pious and innocent saint Shambuk as Aurangzeb killed Guru Tegh Bahadur !
In the medeaval period , Adi-guru Namdev proclaimed that the Hinduism is a blind faith . Adi-guru Ravidas proclaimed that the Hindu Gods were lustful . Adi-guru Kabir proclaimed that we are not endorsing what the Pandits / Brahmina and Muslim Mullahs said and we condem them both ! He challenged the Brahmin community that if they claim to be superior to others then they might had born another way ! He condemned the Hindu Gods .He even proclaimed that the Hindu God Ram is his father-in -law and who worship him would go to hell !!!!!
In modern period , the aboriginal Indians started Adi-Dharam Mandal , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha ( To-day is birth day of Swami Achhuta Nand its founder .Please read my article in the http:ambedkartimes.com ) in north India , Namo-Shudra in Bengal eastern India , Adi-Dravida , Adi-Andhra , Adi-Karnatka ,Vaikom movement in south India and Mahar movement , Satya Shodak Samaj in western India which revolted against the Hindu rapist , racist and fascist Gods and their religion .
The Adi-Dharam Mandal founded on 11-12 , June , 1926 by USA returned Gadhrite Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia declared that they are neither hindus nor Hindus are among them ! for details please visit http://ambedkartimes.com . I am the person who first ever published the souvenir on Baba Muggowalia on his 99th birth anniversary in January 19985 and released the specil issue of my journal on Baba Muggowalia`s birth centenary on 14th January , 1986 .
IN 1931 CENSUS ADI-DHARAM WAS REGISTERED AS A SEPARATE RELIGION AND 5 MILLIONS CLAIMED TO BE FOLLOWERS OF THE ADI-DHARAM .
During the Round Table Conferences at London (1930-1932 AD ) , Dr. Ambedkar and Rao Bahadur Srinivasin claimed that the dalits are not Hindus but manuwadi Mr. M.K. Gandhi opposed their claim . Dr. Ambedkar and Mr. Srinivasin succeded in the Communal Award declared on 18th August , 1932 that the dalits are a separate element .
Mr. A Brahmin ( fictitious name ) blamed ,” you won’t do that because you want to beg for special rights so that you can get things you don’t deserve! ” I wrote in details above that we are not Hindus . We are not beggers . We are labourers and artisans . The Brahmin community is a parasite on Indian society which even collect tax at Hardwar , Varanasi , Gaya , Pehowa , Allahabad etc. whenever a person want to emerse the remains of a dead relative ! They exploit even by the jayotish ! They sale / marketing the rapist , racist and fascist gods . They enjoy sexually the Hindu widdows at Varanasi and Varindavan !!!!!
We hate and struggle hard to change this socio-religious system of the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods .
A Brahmin said
May 2, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
Ans: Dude!!! again the same F$&@ing thing! rapist racist facist! You know at your heart that your argument is baseless! any rational man knows that one cant blame today’s generation for things that happened 4000 years in the past. and well, even you worshiped those gods for thousands of years. If you hate everything about hindu gods, why don’t you start a new religion and leave hinduism? you won’t do that because you want to beg for special rights so that you can get things you don’t deserve!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS A PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!!
Ans:??????????????????????????????????????????
Justify your statement!
My answer is :
We are not beggers . We are labourers and artisans . The Brahmin community is a parasite on Indian society which even collect tax at Hardwar , Varanasi , Gaya , Pehowa , Allahabad etc. whenever a person want to emerse the remains of a dead relative ! They exploit even by the jayotish ! They sale / marketing the rapist , racist and fascist gods . They enjoy sexually the Hindu widdows at Varanasi and Varindavan !!!!!
( 2 ) don’t just spit out any filth that comes to your dirty mouth.
My answer is :
You are argueing or abusing / querling ?
( 3 ) As far as I know, chanakya, who was a brahmin gave the world “arthashastra”. Modern business schools all over the world use his work even today.
My answer is :
A brahmin scholar Dr. Surendra Ajnat Ph.D in his book ‘ kautlya ka anartshastra ‘ means Kautlya`s useless arthshastra ‘ researched that Kautlya did not wrote this book ! Had you read the Arathshastra ? It tells how to kill your enemies ! Is it bussiness management topic ?
( 4 ) 7 out of shivaji maharaj’s 8 ministers were brahmins and they advised him on economics and revenue. and we know that economic reform happened during maratha rule.
My answer is :
The Brahmins of Maharashtra refused to perform the rituals of coronation of Shiva ji Maharaj as he was a Shudra ! Atlast Shiva ji Maharaj purchased a Brahmin named Ghag Bhatt of Varanasi to perform the rituals of coronation of Shiva ji Maharaj ! Is it not true ?
The Brahmin community boycotted him for this and he had to write a book in which he claimed that he put the tilak by his thumb of the foot on the fore head of Shiva ji Maharaj ? Is it not true ?
The Brahmins and Rajputs destroyed the Shiva ji Maharaj and Maharaja Ranjit Singh`s kingdoms and killed their families ! Is it not true ?
( 5 ) Even today most of the economic thinkers and advisors in india are brahmins. and india is doing pretty good in the global market today… isn’t it? you are really naive in making such a statement!
MY ANSWER IS :
Nowadays the MAJORITY Brahmin government employees get benefits of 60% PAY ENHANCEMENT !
THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA GETS RS.1.42 LACS PM INSTEAD OF RS. 45, OOO IN PAST . In Orrisa the people are eating rats and you are talking of global market . The manuwadi India is shining !
C . L . CHUMBER said
BJP`S RAM REJECTED BY THE INDIAN VOTERS !!!!!
SanJam said
May 18, 2009 @ 11:56 am
Mr Chumber,, what do you have to say on lok sabha results?
MY ANSWER IS : Please read my comments in the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com regularly .
( 2 ) People of this country have rejected bullshit politics of caste, religion and region…
MY ANSWER IS : Yes , the voters of India are against the bullshit caste / varna system and Aryan`s Hindu religion of bloody fool Brahma ! That is why they defeated terrorist Hindus` political wing BJP who promised to build a big Ram Temple at Ayodya .
( 3 ) so your corrupt, ugly and shameless mayawati, can only be a PM in her greedy dreams!
MY ANSWER IS : I never supported any person for P.M.
I think Mayawati is more fair than your family ladies !
She is less corrupt than the manuwadis . You people are more shameless than Mayawati who still worship the rapist , raceist and fascist Gods !!!!!
( 4 ) as far as you are concerned,, you are again sidelined as a stray dog,,, good for nothing!!!
MY ANSWER IS : YOU HAVE NO COMMON SENSE HOW TO BEHAVE WITH OTHERS . NO ONE CAN SIDELINE ME AS I AM WITH TRUTH AND YOU PEOPLE ARE WITH FALSEHOOD AND EVIL GODS !!!!!
( 5 ) mayawati and even millions like her cannot become prime minister unless majority of indians turn into rabid dogs like chumber and his gang!
MY ANSWER IS : YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE M/S HAPPY HINDU VAIDIK ABUSIVE NON SENSE CLUB WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DIALOGUE ! YOU MUST KNOW THAT RABID DOGS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS WELL THEIR FOLLOWERS LIKE YOU . THE RABID DOGS NEVER RAPE LIKE YOUR EVIL GODS !!!!!
( 6 ) hahahha…..
now, who’s having the last laugh?
MY ANSWER IS : THE RSS , BJP AND MR. ADVANI PRIME MINISTER-IN-WAITING !!!!!
( 7 ) chumber,,, tere ko apni aukaat pataa lag gayi hogi ab!
MY ANSWER IS : MR. SANJAM ! AFTER READING MY ANSWERS ‘ tere ko apni aukaat pataa lag gayi hogi ab! ‘
C . L . CHUMBER said
I HEREBY REPRODUCE BELOW ARTICLE IN THE TRIBUNE-SPECTRUM DATED 24TH MAY , 2009 FOR REVIEW . INDIAN WOMEN STILL NOT INDEPENDENT DUE TO MANUWADI BENT OF MIND OF THE MEN !!!!!
Shoma A. Chatterji on the ugly face of domestic violence in India and how far the law has been able to serve as a deterrent
courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090524/spectrum/main1.htm
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
“INDIAN WOMEN STILL NOT INDEPENDENT DUE TO MANUWADI BENT OF MIND OF THE MEN”. What rubbish.
Whether Indian women are free or not, cannot be decided by one third-rate journalist, in a fourth-rate paper. In today’s world, men and women are known by their achievements.
What achievement does this journalist have? Anything close to Indira Nooyi?
People who are failures find “feminist” OR “anti-Manuwadi” causes.
Siddhesh said
If Brahmins indeed treated their women like filth they would kill them if women would even dream of marrying other caste guys! Brahmins are only Indian community who has done LARGEST number of inter-caste, inter-state, inter-religious or inter-national marriages which can be only attributed to their higher level of maturity.
About Brahmin men: I BET Brahmin men can get ANY Dalit woman they want (I do not mean to offend honor of Dalit women.) On practical lines, Brahmin men are far more well-off and have modern views than poor Dalit girls can ever find in the grooms of their respective communities. It’s Dalit women who are not very elegant, intellectual, charming like all other Dalits and fail to attract Brahmin men!
happyhind said
Siddesh,
Not sure why you think a ‘brahmin’ man can get any woman he wants. I happen to come across the reverse more often in real life – of girls marrying more often for love.
Nor can i understand why you think brahmin men have more ‘modern’ views. Aren’t there men who are not being able to adapt to changing times everywhere ?
And why should anyone attract ‘brahmin’ men ? Girls go for character and a guy with a moneyed-background more than anything else.
hh said
the old comment seems to have disappeared. but just wanted to say this:
siddesh,
A man’s education and his work abilities being taken for granted, women these days seem to go more often for a guy with a character they can get along with and a wealthy background more than anything else these days.
you may also be aware of the reverse of what you have said. tehre are women who do not consider certain men as good dates because of individual preferences, like food or restaurant choice, etc.
C . L . CHUMBER said
YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!
Siddhesh said
May 24, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY ONE TO CHALLENGE OUR CONSTITUTION !!!!!
The https://dalitnation.wordpress.com is allowing the readers to discuss the Indian mythology , history and culture with special context to the present conditions of Indian society but some miscreants create nuisance by abusing and abusing regularly to those who continue e-dialogue with patience .
Let us do not mind these vaidik abusive bad boys of the M/s Happy Hindu Non-Sense Club who even attacked on the Dalit girls recently in this blog .They threat me to handle ! I am to say very very humbly that I will throw the Rapist , Racist and Fascist Gods and their FOLLOWERS in the gutter at the cost of my life !!!!! These evil FOLLOWERS want to continue to crush the FLOWERS which spread the scent of equality , fraternity , liberity and justice !!!!!
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY ONE TO CHALLENGE OUR CONSTITUTION !!!!!
Siddhesh said
May 24, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
hh said
look chumber, i do not know the people posting here.
do not associate everyone with something called a abusive club.
because of you i have stopped using happy hindu. just because people are saying things opposite to your views does not mean they are abusive.
nobody is challenging constitution. you are just shouting nonsense in your lunacy.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
I condemn Siddesh`s lustful views ,I think that he has lost his brain .He must respect the women as our mothers , sisters and daughters .
C . L . CHUMBER said
I am on tour to attend the convocation of my eldest daughtr`s M.B.A. degree of Wales University , U.K. campus at Pune on 6th June , 2009 at the Le Meredian Hotel , Pune ( Maharshtra ) .Then I will be on my research tour of Maharashtra , Andhra Pardesh and Karnatka . That is why I could not react / re-eact to the writings.
I hereby reproduce Mr.HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ` classic writting in which he admitted that
, ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
Now M/S Shukra Charya and Rajesh etc. are M/s Happy Hindu only using the same ‘ vaidik abusive language ‘ and are staunch followers of the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
November 11, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
hh said
Chumber,
You are a lunatic no doubt.
You cannot even understand the difference b/w two sentences. I said Gods did not rape. And those who raped burned to ashes. Ofcourse if gods did not rape then ofcourse they cannot burn to ashes.
If you have a wrong wiring prob, then don’t keep proclaiming hurrah and such rubbish.
I dunno who is this shukracharya, rajesh, etc. I have nothing to do with ppl posting here.
You have decided to club everyone posting here under one club just because you cannot reason out anything.
I do not how who is this “true god” of yours who has “won” something. For a crackpot like you, there is only one solution – mental asylum.
Sukra Charya said
” dunno who is this shukracharya, rajesh, etc.”..
At least one thing is proved. We cannot take for granted that all human beings can reason.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Dear Chumber ji ,
First of all , I congratulate you on your research tour of Maharashtra , Karnatka and Andhra Pardesh states .I am impressed that you are very secular in your views.You did good analysis of a Brahmin by birth Nath Panthi Sant Janeshwar Gayaneshwar / Gayandev of Kalindi under tytle ‘ WE ARE PROUD OF THEM WHO SACRIFICED EVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US !!!!! ‘
I send you also congratulations on your daughter getting MBA degree of Wales University , U.K. It is good that you even pledged your home for your children`s higher study loans .We Indian especially Dalits must follow Mr. Chumber .Please convey my congratulations to your wife and children on this rare success .
I am your fan and feel sorry for the abuses of Mr. Happy Hindu and his friends .I warn Mr.Happy Hindu and his friends to hold their tongues and mind s , otherwise I have to file complaints against them to the police to teach them good lessons .
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! THE RAPIST IS ALWAYS DEAD FOR THE SOCIETY !!!!! BUT YOU ARE STILL HAPPY AND HINDU !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
NO DOCTOR EVER CERTIFIED THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF THE THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ARE NOT LUNATICS HENCE ‘You are a lunatic no doubt.’
NEXT YOU SAID ,” I said Gods did not rape. And those who raped burned to ashes. Ofcourse if gods did not rape then ofcourse they cannot burn to ashes. ” I HAVE SO MANY TIMES WROTE IN THIS BLOG THE REFERENCES REGARDING VARINDAS RAPE BY VISHANU .I AGAIN JUST POSTED AS BELOW ;-
C. L . CHUMBER said
June 7, 2009 @ 8:58 am
PLEASE PURCHASE THE PADAM PURAN TO KNOW HOW VISHANU RAPED AN INNOCENT AND PIOUS ADI-MATA VARINDA AND KILLED HER HUSBAND !!!!!
Padma Purana, Part 9 (Padma-Purana)
by N. A. Deshpande
Published by M/s Motilal Banarsidass Publisher , New Delhi .
Link : http://openlibrary.org/b/OL13130601M/Padma-Purana%2C-Part-9-%28Padma-Purana%29
THE PADAM PURANA ( ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS IN 10 VOLS. )
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDF395/
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! THE RAPIST IS ALWAYS DEAD FOR SOCIETY !!!!! BUT YOU ARE STILL HAPPY AND HINDU !!!!!
June 8, 2009 @ 11:48 am
Chumber,
You are a lunatic no doubt.
You cannot even understand the difference b/w two sentences. I said Gods did not rape. And those who raped burned to ashes. Ofcourse if gods did not rape then ofcourse they cannot burn to ashes.
hh said
Please show me where in the Padma purana is the rape episode mentioned? Where does it say rape is acceptable?
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Respected Chumber ,
I congratulate you on your reply to Mr. Happy Hindu with reasoning .They call you even ‘ lunatic ‘ but you did not mind .You are from a well cultured family that is why you have a patience but they are the patients of ego and anger which are very harm ful for body and mind .Thanks.
C .L . CHUMBER said
June 10, 2009 @ 7:14 am
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! THE RAPIST IS ALWAYS DEAD FOR THE SOCIETY !!!!! BUT YOU ARE STILL HAPPY AND HINDU !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
June 8, 2009 @ 11:48 am
Chumber,
You are a lunatic no doubt.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
YOU READ YOURSELF THE PADAM PURANA , THEN ASK IF NOT . YOU ARE ABSENT MIND . WE ARE DISCUSSING THESE MATTERS FROM 14TH APRIL , 2008 AND YOU ARISE AGAIN THIS QUESTION AFTER SOME MONTHS .
hh said
June 10, 2009 @ 11:02 am
Please show me where in the Padma purana is the rape episode mentioned? Where does it say rape is acceptable?
hh said
I already read the Padma Purana and did not find any rape incident in it as alleged by you.
So you tell me from where you got it. Are you not evil to keep alleging like this Chumber?
hh said
You never provided the page number. You did not post the actual verses mentioning the rape incident.
I did not find any rape incident in it as mentioned by you.
So, you have to provide either the page numbers or the actual verses.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE PADAM PURANA PUBLISHED BY WHICH PUBLISHER YOU READ ? PLEASE SEND ME THE NAME OF THE PUBLISHER WITH FULL ADDRESS AND TRANSLATOR ( S ) OF THE PURANA YOU READ !
I HAD PASTED TWO LINKS OF THE PADAM PURANA PUBLISHED IN ENGLISH .
hh said
June 12, 2009 @ 9:04 am
I already read the Padma Purana and did not find any rape incident in it as alleged by you.
So you tell me from where you got it. Are you not evil to keep alleging like this Chumber?
hh said
I read two publications: one by deshpande and another by debroy, both from amazon (type padma purana in http://www.amazon.com and order). There are not different from one another. One is concise and other is elaborate. They are exact translations of sanskirt verses. Now you tell me from where you got the rape incident as alleged by you. Give me the exact translations or the sanskrit verses with he name of the book, page number and publication.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
Since its you, who made the allegation, YOU have to provide the proof and/or the evidence. That’s the accepted standard. YOU have to PUBLISH your findings, including the evidence, FIRST.
The other people on this forum may validate it in different ways. That’s the way the scientific community works. Not just hh, but any of the rest of us, would expect the same from you.
You HAVE to do the following:
a) State the actual Sanskrit sloka (line, text and verse)
b) State the events before and after in which it takes place (to give it context)
c) The code of conduct it supposedly violates
d) What you find unacceptable
The fact that hh may provide evidence IS BESIDE THE POINT. You still have to fulfill your obligations/responsibility first.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Globalisation and income inequalities
By V. S. SAMBANDAN
The main finding of the study conducted by the ILO is that globalisation has resulted in the widening of income inequality across and within countries .
Courtesy :
http://www.hindu.com/br/2009/06/16/stories/2009061650081200.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! I AM WAITING YOUR REPLY !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 15, 2009 @ 10:09 am
THE PADAM PURANA PUBLISHED BY WHICH PUBLISHER YOU READ ?
hh said
June 12, 2009 @ 9:04 am
I already read the Padma Purana and did not find any rape incident in it as alleged by you.
hh said
Your crackedness is flowing superbly chumber. I already replied above but you are saying you are waiting for the reply.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE ELECTION COMMISSION`S CODE OF CONDUCT , THEN WATCH THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL ACTIVITIES OF THE BJP !!!!!
Election Commission of India on model code violations
COURTESY :
http://www.hindu.com/nic/modelcodeviolations.htm
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
Why do you have to justify Ambedkar’s marrying a Brahmin lady? Its their personal matter between them if the marriage works out or not.
I am sure many Dalit pseudo-Leaders will claim that inter-caste marriages are taking place NOW, BECAUSE OF THEIR DEMAND FOR EQUALITY. The fact is that inter-caste marriages have been taking place in Hindu society,
whether anyone noticed it or not. The best example is Sarojini Naidu, a lady freedom-fighter. Their marriage took place before 1900 – over a hundred years ago!!
Hindu society has always reacted to discrimination by trying to eliminate it. Sarojini Naidu did not need a speech from Ambedkar. But she is a fine example of Hindu society and Indian womanhood – as it existed at THAT time.
Maybe before complaining about Hindu society, it would be a good idea to check up on facts first. If you are interested in a serious debate, abuses of Hindu Gods, Hindu social system must go.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH MR. HAPPY HINDU` S STAND !
NOW, M/S HAPPY HINDUS CLAIM THAT THE MANU SIMRIRTY IS NOT E RELIGIOUS BOOK !
IF MANU WAS A SAINT , THEN DAWOOD AND TALIBANS ARE ALSO SAINTS .
h said
August 25, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Mesquiteice,
MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS .
Sukra Charya said
“MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS…”.
Maybe so. But he was certainly no idiot.
hh said
dharmashastras are law books. they do not apply to all hindus. to me, they are not religious. so what?
ah well, i knew that sooner of later, you wud start praising dawood, taliban, pakistan,…why don’t you just admit you are a paki funded muslim missionary begger like most of your former khaalisthan mates.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Please refer my writing with date and time .
Sukra Charya said
June 20, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Chumber,
Why do you have to justify Ambedkar’s marrying a Brahmin lady?
Sukra Charya said
That’s the heading. The title.
Sukra Charya said
If you think, Talibans are saints – and you are proud to be their follower – SO BE IT.
At least people know where you stand.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dr B.R. Ambedkar said :
So long as you do not achieve social liberty, whatever freedom is provided by the law is of no avail to you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
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hh said
well chumber…you cannot provide verses from sanskrit scriptures. but you claim a hell lot.
you provide works of abraham kovoor, islamic zealots, balley, all those stupid missionary funded guys who DID NOT quote one single original verse from any scripture in their works.
and you cannot provide that as well. instead you provide the link to your stupid blog at wetpaintcentral and your own repeated sentences without any quotes from the scriptures.
so for a dunce loony like you looking to beg for a living with your stupid publications, you have only one way to go — either police station or mental asylum.
C . L . CHUMBER said
INDRA – A LUSTFUL HEAD OF THE HINDU GODS !!!!!
BY Dr. Abraham Kovoor
Indra is the head of all gods. Amarawati was his celestial residence. Arjun was born to Indra as a result of his clandestine adultery with Pandu’s wife, he had no hesitation in committing adultery with the wives of other men. One day when Indra saw Ruchi, the beautiful wife of Devasarma, he became extremely passionate and wanted to seduce her. But Ruchi chased Indra out ,and he had to go away disappointed.
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On another occasion Indra could not control his sexual passion when he saw Goutama’s wife Ahalya. He committed adultery with Ahalya when her husband was away. On his return home Goutama saw Indra in sexual interlock with his wife. Goutama cursed both of them.
Once Aruna visited Devaloka in the disguise of a woman. When Indra saw this woman in disguise he could not control his passion. He had sexual intercourse with this imitation woman. Bali was born as the result of this un-natural homosexual cohabitation
C . L . CHUMBER said
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C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INDIANS VICTIMS OF THE SOCIAL SLAVERY CAUSED BY THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM , MUST FIGHT FOR IT WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT !
THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES MUST IMPLEMENT THE CONSTITUTION IN TRUE SPIRIT !
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 22, 2009 @ 1:18 pm
Dr B.R. Ambedkar said :
So long as you do not achieve social liberty, whatever freedom is provided by the law is of no avail to you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
AMBEDKAR VS GANDHI ! ( ON GOOGLE )
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Sukra Charya said
No questions there. Gandhi the clear winner.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHO CREATED PAKISTAN ? ( ON GOOGLE )
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rajashekar said
Hi Mr.Chumber,
How are you doing now a days. You stopped answering my queries instead started answering others and postings of your own. You either decided that my queries are of least/little important to you or you have no answer at all , ofcourse, except reproducing the same text with a lead heading THIS IS ONE OF THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE S OF THE VAIDIK MUNWADI ABUSIVE E- DIOLOGUE. And by the by how is your friend, ardent follower and never to mention a great thinker Mr. RAMA KRISHNA SHARMA . Hope doing well.
Any way I also stopped looking at your blog Bramhins destroyed your pious dravidan Indus valley civilization built by your able and intellectual ancestors. I sincerely pity for the same. I have now learnt true histoty of great nation called HINDUSTHAN and called by britishers as INDIA by your gooood selves.
Now coming to the topic in your another blog – why baba saheb married a bramhin women, I wish to state that , without wasting much of my time I have gone through the writings ,e-dialogues (yours), arguments (others, hic) and concluded beyond any requirement for production of proof of evidence t o declare that you are a greatest lose, stinking fuck hole of all the blogs running on the net in the world for all the intolerance you practice and any number of people can piss in that hole . I have better (read worst) words to address you like you addressed some one in the blog as a son of a prostitute with out even giving a thought of what you are writing. But I practice tolerance unlike you and do not bark but politely speak.
Now again coming to the point under why baba saheb, I would like to warn you that you can not indulge in spreading terror by declaring yourself that all bramhin women should be forciably, by political will – for example reservation, married to dalit and see that bramhins are finished. Even if all your ancestors come together with all their might you can not pluck even a single hair out of a single head of a bramhin you AH( Find /research for AH) . Hey you cowardly insane beggar Why do you think that bramhins are incapable of protecting their women folk. If you think that you can implement what you wrote, the same bramhin community will certainly for sure cut your fucking balls off and make you and every dalit ,trying to follow you , an insane and noisily crying impotent clown and engage NIYOGIS at your service to continue your lineage in your family. Think million time before you slide your sticky pen to abuse another community. Even after 60 plus years of independence , you did not seem to have learnt your lesson from your mistakes. Wisemen learn from others mistakes, idiots will learn from their own mistake and people who does not learn even from their own mistake are yet to be named. You name them or shall we name them as S- tupid C- humber.
And by the by, you are suppose to reason out why baba saheb married a bramhin women , but instead you started insulting a single community – Bramhins who literally / logically a minority group of people. Tell me why Bramhins should be isolated and insulted . Is it because of the stupidity of your fore fathers and your grand great ancestors who made you to still struggle/fight even today and every day for your democratical right of dignified identity in the society or because your forefathers were properly lead by these bramhin community to their destiny safely in humility and dignity or is it because in spite of several and innumerable revolutions in the country this small group of people called bramhin community has still command their influence in the society or is it because bramhins are known for their wisdom and knowledge. And forget about all those e-diologue, Why do you still treat yourself and see yourself as an untouchable by accusing a single minority group of people called BRAMHINS, and do you know what is the percentage of bramhin population compared to other minority groups in India You filthy idiot. You shit in your pants the moment you see a commanding bramhin.
Stop spreading deadly virus called hatred from your filthy alcohol stinking shitting fuck all hole called your mouth. You piss in your pants when questioned with authority. Because you still, even after 60 plus years of independence ,feel insecured and inferior in intelligence and public status of any community you name it not necessarily a bramhin community which is of course afar from your reach and do not ever even dream of reaching such a status to occur in your lives. And that is why you spew at every one at every given opportunity only to pacify yourself that you spew at people superior to you in all aspect and try to nourish your mental ability on filth strewn around and to boost your morale in an un healthy concept and perception. Work honestly and sincerely to reach that status. Bramhins’ ancestors and forefather have worshiped their work not as a duty but for their passion , forgone their comforts to reach such status and dignity in the society and definitely not by consuming alcohol and passion for being lazy and lusty.
AND DO NOT, YOU, SHOUT. Stop spreading unhealthy, unethical philosophy of violence & hatred and learn some thing called AHIMSO PARAMO DHRMAH from the greatest BUDDHISM, the very first philosophy of which attracted none other than BABA SAHEB , you fool. And you proclaim yourself as a true and honest follower of Ambedkar, you dirty mind.
And am sure that I have not abused you but described your mental status / insanity and wishfully hope it will be posted in the blog for your review and for the review our respected readers and does not attract the attention of Mr.RAMA KRISHNA SHARMA, your beloved follower, to comment on my language and advise.
And of course I will wait for your comments on this with out bringing our great epics – RAMAYAN,MAHA BHARATH, GEETHA , PURANAS etc,. in between to divert the topic and in addition to that I regret to state that you still have not reached such a superior state of intelligence , ability and philosophical state of intellectual mind to under stand even the alphabet of those great epics of this country. And therefore just shut up on those subject.
I have written all these in a very simple language to make you understand with out any confusion to occur. AND I EXPECT YOUR DIGNIFIED RESPONSE.
Even god can not help you sucker.
PS: Dear Moderator, my last postings in Bramhins destroyed …………… blog yet to be made available for review of our respected readers. Plz do the needful. Thanks and Regards
Sukra Charya said
A mentally sick patient was being tested by a psychiatrist, before being released from the asylum. The doctor wanted to check if he could recognize alphabets and numbers.
The patient was shown a 0 (ZERO). The patient said it was the female genitals. He was shown a 1 (ONE). The patient said it was the male genitals.
One wonders what that patient is doing today.
C . L . CHUMBER said
UNLESS YOU SEEK OPPLOGY FOR YOUR ABUSES , I WILL NOT DEAL WITH YOU .
I ALREADY WROTE THIS TO YOU !
rajashekar said
June 24, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
Hi Mr.Chumber
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
For what I have to opologise please clarify and if I am convinced I swear and promise , I will make an un conditional apology and do not run away like you from the point of discussion.
Furnish me the reason why I should apologise with out bringing other topics in between.
hh said
Chumber,
You OWE us an apology,
You must apologize for spreading falsehood.
You must file a case or you must allow us to file a case.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK ABUSIVE E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
I RETURN THESE ABUSES TO HIS GODS , FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS !!!!!
rajashekar said
June 24, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
Hi Mr.Chumber,
1.you are a greatest lose, stinking fuck hole of all the blogs running on the net in the world for all the intolerance you practice and any number of people can piss in that hole .
2 . Hey you cowardly insane beggar
3 . the same bramhin community will certainly for sure cut your fucking balls off and make you and every dalit ,trying to follow you , an insane and noisily crying impotent clown and engage NIYOGIS at your service to continue your lineage in your family.
4 . idiots will learn from their own mistake and people who does not learn even from their own mistake are yet to be named. You name them or shall we name them as S- tupid C- humber.
5 .Is it because of the stupidity of your fore fathers and your grand great ancestors
6. You filthy idiot.
7 . You shit in your pants the moment you see a commanding bramhin.
Stop spreading deadly virus called hatred from your filthy alcohol stinking shitting fuck all hole called your mouth.
8 . You piss in your pants when questioned with authority .
9 . And that is why you spew at every one at every given opportunity only to pacify yourself that you spew at people superior to you in all aspect and try to nourish your mental ability on filth strewn
10 . forgone their comforts to reach such status and dignity in the society and definitely not by consuming alcohol and passion for being lazy and lusty.
11 ., you fool.
12 . you dirty mind.
And am sure that I have not abused you
13.Even god can not help you sucker.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
You did throw the first stone, did you not?
This has nothing to do with the race or the ancestry of the person, RajaShekar. He is simply replying in kind.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ADI-DHARAM – RELIGION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ! ( 51 BOOKS ON GOOGLE ) .
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C . L . CHUMBER said
I REQUEST YOU TO ASK YOUR FAMILY LADIES NOT TO READ YOUR THIS RELIGIOUS WRITING !!!!!
DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP THE SHIV-LINGA ? ? ? ? ?
DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP LUSTFUL KARISHNA AND HIS BELOVED RADHA IN THE HINDU TEMPLES ? ? ? ? ?
DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP BRAHMA WHO RAPED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI ? ? ? ? ?
DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP VISHANU WHO RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA ? ? ? ? ?
DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP RAM WHO BANISHED HIS WIFE SITA ? ? ? ? ?
I THINK MR. S.C.`S MENTALITY IS SUFFERING FROM THE SWINE FLU AS ONE HIS GOD WAS A PIG !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
June 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am
A mentally sick patient was being tested by a psychiatrist, before being released from the asylum. The doctor wanted to check if he could recognize alphabets and numbers.
The patient was shown a 0 (ZERO). The patient said it was the female genitals. He was shown a 1 (ONE). The patient said it was the male genitals.
One wonders what that patient is doing today.
rajashekar said
Hi Chumbu
As suggested by you , I will advise all those ladies not to reach this blog for any fruitful information but for a cowardly attitude with the only motivation to abuse hinduism with derogative phrase of words. Of course you may continue to propaganda of your thoughts, in the meantime, more authoritative and meaningful. You have that privilage to make your thoughts popular. But how many people are going to buy it is what matters at the end of the day.
Any way coming to your question here as under , please read on and by reading atleast from now on wards learn how to clarify the quesries that other respectable readers of this blog post .Now this goes like this one by one . Take it now:
1.DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP THE SHIV-LINGA?
NO. Other people like Wife,Husband, members of family , friends, followers and other well wishers worship shiv-linga in view of getting that person out from that state of mind. Now ,therefore, I, as your well wisher, worship shiv-linga to cure you from your insanity that must have happend to you for all the mental agony you would have undergone in your life. Now I request your family ladies,children,friends ,followers and your well wishers to worship shiv linga for your fast recovery from your madness.
2.DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP LUSTFUL KARISHNA AND HIS BELOVED RADHA IN THE HINDU TEMPLES ? ? ? ? ?
No. They do not. Instead others who are not insane worship Krishna in the form of eternal spirit and not as Lustful . Only insane people think that Krishna is lustful.
3. DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP BRAHMA WHO RAPED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI ? ? ? ? ?
No.Bramha did not rape Saraswathi. And he is worshiped.
4.DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP VISHANU WHO RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA ? ? ? ? ?
NO. Vishnu has not raped Varinda. And he is worshiped
5. DO THE MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE WORSHIP RAM WHO BANISHED HIS WIFE SITA ? ? ? ? ?
Rama did not banish Sita but when a dalit like you suspected her fidelity,unlike todays politician Purushotham Ram wanted to prove that words / opinion of even the last person in the line is considered and respected in spite of acknowledging that dalit’s stupidity. And therefore, it is not his intention to send her off but because of the cheap and rotten mentality of that stupid dalit , he has taken such a hard decision. Otherwise he would have given a plot form then only for people like you to politicise and malign not only with his ability but also with modesty of Mata Sita which in any case you have taken up. And with that you are confirming you are also one stupid person.
6. THINK MR. S.C.`S MENTALITY IS SUFFERING FROM THE SWINE FLU AS ONE HIS GOD WAS A PIG !!!!!
Actually it is not SC who is mentally suffering from swine flu but its you who eat pork. And his god was and is not a pig and if you go back to where you come from , perhaps you find youself being a pig.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ALAS ! HE WAS LOOSER TO BRAHMINS WHO KILLED HIM BY PISTOL .
Sukra Charya said
June 24, 2009 @ 11:43 pm
No questions there. Gandhi the clear winner.
Sukra Charya said
Yes, Chumber. We sent the gentleman to the gallows.
No mercy shown, because he was a Brahmin. That is the India we want to build. No shame there. No guilt there.
rajashekar said
Hey Chumbu,
You did the same thing I expected for. As I mentioned it to you in the earlier cases , you simply , with out putting any fruitful efforts, made your intelligence reservation to response to selected and reserved postings and made my judgment a naked truth by not only copying and reproducing my original text but apart from that dedicating it to me, my family members and friends as if you wrote it on your own. That does not furnish any meaning full clarification for my queries.
Well, as well, I do not accept your proposal of returning it to me. You keep it with you . It is dedicted to you and to your khandaan , friends and followers. You are a real time JOKER because all that you have done to clarify on my queries / writings is a reproduction of my ORIGINAL TEXT which is ment for a lunatic person like you and only you , who acts like an uneducated, illiterate original clown of all time with out furnishing proper clarifiaction to the points raised and put forth to you for your explanation. Instead you try to divert the point of discussion to some thing else from soliciting some other phrases and bull shit stories in between.
Hey You pant wetting lose hole, I have given you certain queries to be clarified by you. Your reproduction of my text does not provide any clarification on those you lose cunt.
Practically you do not have one. ACCEPT THAT I WILL SHOW MERCY AND LEAVE YOU .
Otherwise answer all my questions / queries with your ill gotten intelligence you bugger.
Am sure if any well educated and decent Dalit come across your writings on them, which eventually projects them in a very bad light and shape as if they are the one living like aliens in this country and needs to be uplifted in the society, that person will really die of shame or will certainly try to find where you stay and am sure he will definitely hold you by your collar and pull you to the court of law for maligning their social status with malicious intent to defame their very existence and just to create your mileage and apart from that you are repeatedly pleading and begging on their behalf with out any consent given by them.
You are such a perverted dick headed bugger on this earth that you do not even spare respectable and enterprising people who make Indian raise their head in humility and pride and generate employment opportunity in millions and you want to open your stinking toilets there also on reservation basis you jack ass. And that to he should be bramhin entrepreneur , why??. If you have any hatred feeling towards them face them independently and bravely instead of fleeing away from them or taking social refugee under this DALIT NATION BANNER or stop targeting them you coward. Come out from your dark den to the light and show us your face instead of acting like a frightened rat in the dark hole.
And You are a BACHCHA to understand all that you quote about Ramayana, Mahabharath and puranas. It is like , a person like you, trying to translate BRAMHA SUTRA BHASHYA of great SHANKARACHRYA (into a simple regional language ), a great hindu sage who took several years to write it. It is like a small and blind Ant in a thick and dark jungle trying to map this world you , (do not find appropriate word to address you at this juncture).
If you still think you can come face to face to discuss these matter, furnish the place and time , we will meet and see an end to this and prove your guts or else just shut up. Do not play with others sentiments. And if you still continue to play you can only be considered as one foreigner who is following the foot steps of none other than Britishers just to capture the corridors of power with malicious intent to satisfy your personal and materialistic lust with out caring for the down trodden people of this country whom you proclaim to care for and fight for.
NOW I AM SHOUTING. DO NOT FLEE AWAY WITH OUT ANSWERING MY QUERIES OR SIMPLY JUST SURRENDER .
hh said
Rajahshekhar,
i also used to lose my temper with this insolent fellow.
But please understand that he is mad. i realized it is useless to get angry with mad people since they can only repeat things like broken tape recorder within 4 boundries, and do not have the ability to understand anything beyond it.
After a while, you will infact find this mad fellow comical..like free comedy.
rajashekar said
Dear HH,
I am in agreement with you for his being an insane.
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
What is your opinion / comment on Mr.Nandan Nilekani , who is hand picked by the our beloved Priminister Dr.Manmohan Singh and his appointment as the very first and the only first Chairperson of the National Unique Identification Authority of India WITH NOTHING less than the rank and status of a CABINET MINISTER, who was earlier Co- Chairman of Infosys Technologies.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS NOT BIGGEST EVER IDIOT LIKE MANU IN THE WORLD !
MANU WAS NOT A SAINT , HE IS ONE OF THE RESPOSIBLE MANUWADIS FOR INDIAN SUB-CONTINANT`S SOCIO-ECONOMIC PROBLEMS SINCE CENTURIES !!
THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION BANNED THE MANU SIMRITY`S DISCRIMINATIONS BY ALLOWING EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE BASED FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO EVRY INDIAN CITIZEN !!!
THE TALIBANS AND M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VEDIC CLUB MEMBERS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF MANU !!!!
WE LOVE ” LIVE AND LET LIVE ” BASED ON EQUALITY ,EQUITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 22, 2009 @ 6:44 am
PLEASE WATCH MR. HAPPY HINDU` S STAND !
NOW, M/S HAPPY HINDUS CLAIM THAT THE MANU SIMRIRTY IS NOT E RELIGIOUS BOOK !
IF MANU WAS A SAINT , THEN DAWOOD AND TALIBANS ARE ALSO SAINTS .
h said
August 25, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Mesquiteice,
MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS .
Sukra Charya said
June 24, 2009 @ 11:39 pm
“MANU WAS A SAINT COMPARED TO YOU POLITICIANS…”.
Maybe so. But he was certainly no idiot.
Sukra Charya said
June 22, 2009 @ 10:53 am
If you think, Talibans are saints – and you are proud to be their follower – SO BE IT.
At least people know where you stand.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HE IS APPOINTED BY A ROOTLESS AND SPONSERED BY THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND THE BRAHMINISED FORCES WHO CAPTURED THE INDIA BY HOOK AND CROOK !!!!!
rajashekar said
June 26, 2009 @ 7:39 am
Mr.Chumber,
What is your opinion / comment on Mr.Nandan Nilekani , who is hand picked by the our beloved Priminister Dr.Manmohan Singh and his appointment as the very first and the only first Chairperson of the National Unique Identification Authority of India WITH NOTHING less than the rank and status of a CABINET MINISTER, who was earlier Co- Chairman of Infosys Technologies.
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
YOU SAID :
HE (Mr.Nilekani of Infosys) IS APPOINTED BY A ROOTLESS AND SPONSERED BY THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND THE BRAHMINISED FORCES WHO CAPTURED THE INDIA BY HOOK AND CROOK !!!!!
Do you mean to say that Indian Priminister and the the house of cabinet is so weak and vulnarable to pressure tactics and Mr.Manmohan Singh ignored the advise of those Intelligent and intelectual Dalit leaders of this nation called India under pressure and FAILED to bring justice to the deserved candiate(s) for such a lucrative, challenging and elevated status that the post carry to Mr.Nilekani and if so , do you accept that the force and the influence of Bramhins and the pressure from bramhanical global capitalist pressure is more or the most honoured by all those honourable members of Indian democratically elected parliment ?.
Going by what you said above, you are agreeing in principal that Dalits are yet to civilise their status to get elevated to such honourable post(s) of the country by contributing to the over all development /welfare of the nation but by not queing up with a bowl in the hand at the reservation counters of India for the sops given away by the Government of India under a deceased system called QUOTA and become independently able to attain such status in dignity and pride , as any other community stay today with out enjoying any such quota facility.
OR do you mean to say that these GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND THE BRAHMINISED FORCES are passionately in love with Mr.Nandan Nilekani and therefore it is not his hard work, commitment to perform, honest efforts to accomplish and the comforts that he forgone , has brought this pride and rewarded him.
If so why only Nilekani, why not others and why others, who are capable of lobbying for any thing in the world at the Delhi power house , has missed this Prestigeous offer and why it is not sold in auction.
And the last question is, what is meant by ROOTLESS, what do you mean by HE IS APPOINTED BY A ROOTLESS . Mr.Nandan Nilekani is appointed by none other than Governemnt of India and perhaps with the consent of The President of India. Now I expect your explanation for ROOTLESS.
I want a straight forward answer for all the above questions with out indulging in mud swindling narrations.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MY NAME IS C.L.CHUMBER NOT CHUMBU !
I ALREADY SAID THAT MR. RAJASHEKAR LIKE ABUSIVE PERSONS ARE NOT FIT FOR E-DIALOGUE .
rajashekar said
June 26, 2009 @ 11:27 am
Hi Chumbu
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
It is not intentional and perhaps a typo error and regret for the same.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
You threw the first stone is it not? So, you are still answerable.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHO WAS BRAHMIN TO WHOM YOU SENT TO THE GALLOWS ?
Sukra Charya said
June 28, 2009 @ 8:53 pm
Yes, Chumber. We sent the gentleman to the gallows.
No mercy shown, because he was a Brahmin. That is the India we want to build. No shame there. No guilt there.
hh said
Shukracharya,
i think this chumber fellow will keep barking nonsense. No use providing explanations. He cannot understand. Full Khaali-sthan case, no nuts or bolts to get loosened in the first place. Never seen such stupidity in a grown up human before. i suppose i have had enuf laughs with this lunacy case.
Au reviour. Till we meet again. See ya.
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAJASHEKAR ! READ THIS WRITING OF SUKARACHARYA AND REACT ON IT AS I HAD REACTED . BUT YOU REACTED ON MY WRITING .
IF YOU LIKE THIS WRITING OF SHUKRACHARYA , THEN GET PRINTS OUT OF IT AND PRESENT IT TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
June 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am
A mentally sick patient was being tested by a psychiatrist, before being released from the asylum. The doctor wanted to check if he could recognize alphabets and numbers.
The patient was shown a 0 (ZERO). The patient said it was the female genitals. He was shown a 1 (ONE). The patient said it was the male genitals.
One wonders what that patient is doing today.
rajashekar said
June 26, 2009 @ 11:27 am
Hi Chumbu
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
How does it any way attract your attention and why shall it ? . It is not addressed to you in the first place and you are reacting on that spontaneously. Why do you always think that something written on the wall is directed to you. You have a problem in seeing any thing in right direction and positive direction. That is what exactly is required to be learnt by you to understand things in the way it is supposed to be. You better straighten up yourself in your thought process and contribute some thing that is being a path to be followed not filth. Do not live and try to lead your followers in your own paradox Mr.Chumber. wakeup.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHY ANGLO – VAIDIK HINDUS WORSHIP SHIV -LINGA ?
WHY NOT THEY WORSHIP BRAHMA-LINGA ? ?
WHY NOT THEY WORSHIP VISHANU-LINGA ? ? ?
WHY NOT THEY WORSHIP THE LINGAS OF BRAHMA`S INCARNATIONS ? ? ? ?
WHY NOT THEY WORSHIP THE LINGAS OF VISHANU`S INCARNATIONS ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
June 26, 2009 @ 11:27 am
Hi Chumbu
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
It is one’s own wish whether one wants to worship shiv ling or vishnu ling.
The question you asked looks very stupid because it is left to ones own wish and his devotion. In a democratic country like India you are allowed to worship in any form. I am sure you are a person who respect the Indian Constitution by its word.I think this answer should clarify your doubt.
Sukra Charya said
We are back to ZERO and ONE.
hh said
We worship Shiva in many forms, as the consciousness of our selves, as a linga, as a statue, everywhrere…
btw, the shiva linga is not a penis. The linga representation is cylindrical and does not have the corona of a penis.
But it does represent the union of male and female, as the energies of yin and yang, the union of kundalini shakti with cosmic consciousness..
btw, we are not ashamed of sex and sexuality.
We accept it as a healthy side to our lives, a natural biological phenomenon and means to create a new life.
we don’t have dirt in our minds, or any fear of sin, while making a new life with love, care and affection, just as god wud have made us.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HOW VEDIC GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GAYATRI TO BE HIS WIFE .
COURTESY : http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=HOW+VAIDIK+GOD+BRAHMA+ABDUCTED+A+BACKWARD+CLAS+GUJJAR+GAYATARI+TO+BE+HIS+WIFE+&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
hh said
Chumber,
For heaven’s sake learn to use google from your kids.
Try this: HOW CHUMBER RAPED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL:
http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&q=HOW+VAIDIK+ABUSER+CHUMBER+RAPED+A+BACKWARD+CLASS+GUJJAR+GIRL&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
* 50% Indians living below poverty line: Govt panel
courtesy : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/50-Indians-living-below-poverty-line/articleshow/4722478.cms
Sukra Charya said
Yes, Chumber. In 1947, that number was 95% (that is, 95% of the Indian population were under the poverty line.). So we are doing better. In the next 10 years, that number will be even lower.
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
You are yet to clarify my points raised in my postings on June 29, 2009.
Please DO NOTUN AWAY from clarifying those points.
rajashekar said
Dear Moderator, Administrator,
I am reproducing my postings , submitted to you on 26th or 27 th June 2009 addressing Mr. Chumber. Please do not delete it and kindly make it appear on this blog. Even my resquest made to you some 2 or 3 days back is also not appearing. I request you not to be selective on the issues related to national and international matter. I guess and hope this blog is being run for and as a discussion form by social reformers.
Thanks
Regards
rajashekar
rajashekar said
Mr. chumber,
I requested the Moderator and the Administrator and am reproducing my posting here under for your comment and opinion.
Please clarify.
What is your opinion and comment on unveiling of HER OWN STATUES along with the statues of Elephants along side inagurating Parks and Museums in the name of Dalith leaders which costs roughly around Rs. 15 crores by our bada Behan and Dalit chief Minister of Uttarapradesh Madam. Mayavathi , the Iron lady.
You have to clarify as you clarified spontaneously about the question posed on Mr.Nilekani on his appointment by Gout. of India and I am very much eagrly waiting to know your comment and opinion. Over and above, this question is directed to you and also addressed to you only, unlike it happend with Mr. Sukra Charya , who simply wrote some story and you spontaneously re-acted instead of acting on it.
And I have replied to all your postings addressed to me by you. I expect the same Courtesy from you. AND ITH OUT BRINGING ANY COCK AND BULL STORY PLEAS.
rajashekar said
Mr. chumber,
I still am yet to receive your clarification on my postings addressed to you on 29.06.09. with regard to your reply on mr. Nilakeni’s appointment .Please respond to my points raised in that with out fail.And please do not give vague answers.Thanks
rajashekar said
rajashekar said
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 2, 2009 @ 12:18 pm
Mr.Chumber,
You are yet to clarify my points raised in my postings on June 29, 2009.
Please DO NOT RUN AWAY from clarifying those points.
rajashekar said
Dear Mr.SUKRA CHARYA,
Sorry for the Caps. Request you to Please read my postings 26.06.09 and 29.06.09 of Mr.Chumber addressing to me and my reply to that on 02.07.09 for your info.
Thanks
Regards
rajashekar
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU DECLARED ME AS THEIR GOD RAM AND MY WIFE AS THEIR GODDESS SITA !! !!!!!
I never wrote any Valmiki Ramayana
HE MUST PRODUCE THE VALMIKI RAMAYANA`S UTTAR KAND , CHAPTER 97 WRITTEN BY ME AND ITS PUBLISHER WITH ADDRESS AND YEAR OF PUBLICATION .
HE WROTE THE ABBREVIATION OF U.S.A AS ” meaning, Useless Sales Association ” . HE IS SO MUCH MISCHIEVOUS BUT DO NOT KNOW THAT U.S.A. means United States of America .
HE HAS NEITHER RESPECT FOR HIS GOD RAM AND GODDESS SITA NOR RESPECT FOR HIS SCRIPTURE !!!!!
I HAVE MY BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN !
I NEVER VISITED MR. HAPPY HINDU`S HOME . EVEN HIS FAMILY LADIES WILL GIVE SURETY THAT I AM NEITHER LUSTFUL NOR RAPIST . WHAT IS PROOF WITH HIM FOR HIS BLAMES .
ANYONE CAN BLAME THAT MR. HAPPY HINDU IS STAUNCH FOLLOWER OF BRAHMA AND HE RAPE HIS DAUGHTER DAILY . I WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS UNLESS A MEDICAL REPORT .
WHERE IS THE ” Salman’s palace ” AND WHO WAS ” Salman the Khan ” IN THE ” Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54 “.
MY WIFE IS STILL ALIVE !
I THINK HE MAY BE SEMI-INFLUENCE UNDER ME AND DISCARDED HIS GODS AND SCRIPTURES AND HE FEELS SHY TO SURRENDER TO ME !!!!!
hh said
June 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am
LUSTFUL CHUMBER’s WIFE VS THE “IMPOTENT” CHUMBER
“Oh! You Hindu Awake”
by Dr. Chumber and Ram Karishan Sharma (chumber’s kid), M.A., PH.D (U.S.A) (meaning, Useless Sales Association)
Chumber,
Chumber’s wife told Chumber “You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes is livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution”. Chumber’s wife also told Chumber “You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm” & “She called her husband a simpleton, LUNATIC, and an IDIOT”.
As soon as Chumber’s wife stepped into Salman’s palace her love towards Salman the Khan grew more. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).
When at length Chumber asked his wife to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttara kandam, Chapter 97).
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635
hh said
Chumber,
Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
We already have the ramayana in sanskrit, nobody will beleive the idiotic stuff written by your stupid dalit mafia writers..
Keep screaming and shouting, you are fit to keep doing only that.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU COPIED THE BELOW WRITING AND CHANGED RAM WITH MY NAME AND SITA WITH MY WIFE AT ( hh said , June 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635 ) WHICH WE REPRODUCED AT( C.L.CHUMBER said , Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 3, 2009 @ 5:28 pm https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/ )
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 25, 2009 @ 9:13 am
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE “IMPOTENT” RAMA
“Oh! You Hindu Awake”
by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A)
Sita told Rama “You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes is livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution”. Sita also told Rama “You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm” & “She called her husband a simpleton”.
As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan’s palace her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam,
Chapter 54).
When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttara kandam, Chapter 97).
COURTESY :http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/hindu_awake.htm#contempt%20for%20women
C . L . CHUMBER said
RSS – The “Sangh”
What is it, and what is it not?
by Partha Banerjee
“Jesus is junk. It is high time for Hindus to learn that Jesus Christ symbolizes no spiritual power, or moral uprightness. He is no more than an artifice for legitimizing wanton imperialist aggression. The aggressors have found him to be highly profitable so far. By the same token, Hindus should know that Jesus means nothing but mischief for their country and culture.”1
The above was recently said by a prominent leader and theorist of RSS or Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps), in a treatise on Jesus Christ.
COURTESY : http://www.geocities.com/indianfascism/fascism/rss_what_is_it.htm
Sukra Charya said
“He (Jesus) is no more than an artifice for legitimizing wanton imperialist aggression.”.
Yes. And Thomas Jefferson would have agreed with it.
rajashekar said
Hurrah,
Thak you for deleting/removing my postings addressed to the blog’s administrator ,moderator and Chumber as well.
It only proves your discriminating attitude towards this society and the people.
This blog looks/appears more likely to support Chumber and not with any healthy intention to create awareness in the society.
Keep supporting Mr.Chumber for no cause of noble thing.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber-ji,
Is this true? Are you removing Mr.Rajasekhar’s postings?
C . L . CHUMBER said
HINDU NATIONALISM IS ANTI-POOR AND ANTI-DALIT , RESEARCH SAY !!!!!
by Santosh Digal
COURTESY : http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=2088
rajashekar said
Dear Moderator and Administrator,
I thank you so much for the appearance of my postings addressed to you and the Chumber.
Keep the spirit of liberation moving on and on until every one find it
.
Thanks
Regards
rajashekar
rajashekar said
And Mr.Chumber,
I am eagrly waiting for your enlighting and delightful clarification for all my questions raised and posted to you above between 29.06.09 to 2nd july 09.
Especially in case of Mr.Nilekani and Bada Behan Madam Mayavathi, the Dalit Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh please.
Please note that I have given my comment on your reply with regard to Mr. Nilekani and seek your view on the same.
Hope you will not skip any and answer / clarify all.
Sukra Charya said
“HINDU NATIONALISM IS ANTI-POOR AND ANTI-DALIT , RESEARCH SAY !!!!!”.
How stupid can this article be? The most advanced state in the nation, Gujarat, is run by a CM who is NOT a Brahmin. It is run extremely efficiently – and has become an example to the whole world. He is the biggest Hindu
Nationalist today – and all of us have reason to be proud of him. He has given employment to more Dalits than West Bengal and Kerala (both Commy states) out together.
And look at West Bengal – run by Bhadralok. It has failed for over 40 years. It has failed not just the Dalits, but the entire nation as well.
The only people who worry about Mr.Modi’s caste are people who are failures. Failures in their private life, failures in public life.
This is NO research – just mudslinging.
C . L . CHUMBER said
* Cong’s Mayajaal to net Dalits
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Congs-Mayajaal-to-net-Dalits/articleshow/4746629.cms
* Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute,PUNE ESTD. ON 6TH JULY,1917
http://www.bori.ac.in/about.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
M/S HAPPY HINDU ANGLO VAIDIK NON-SENSE ABUSIVE CLUB MEMBERS` NOBLE CAUSE IS TO ABUSE ME FREQUENTLY !!!!!
THEY SAY THAT THEIR LAKSHMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S SISTERS .
THEY SAY THAT AMBEDKAR ,KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .
THEY SAY THAT VALMIKI WAS RAPIST .
THEY ARE CREATING AWARENESS BY ABUSING AND ABUSING TO ME .
I RETURN THESE ABUSES TO THEM , THEIR GODS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS .
rajashekar said
July 4, 2009 @ 11:51 am
Hurrah,
Thak you for deleting/removing my postings addressed to the blog’s administrator ,moderator and Chumber as well.
It only proves your discriminating attitude towards this society and the people.
This blog looks/appears more likely to support Chumber and not with any healthy intention to create awareness in the society.
Keep supporting Mr.Chumber for no cause of noble thing.
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
I thank you for your response. But my post was addressed mainly to the Moderator / Administrator of this blog since my postings addressed to you went missing from the blog and disappeared all of a sudden but to reappear later on my request and by virtue of habit it happend to mention your name thats it and you , with out realising what you are up to, leaped out in one jump. That is OK. Now bloggers know what is what and who is who nah.
I have not made any usage of abusive language and why are you returning those to me. I do not need those but what I want is your sincere and truthful opinion, that is all. And you know well that I do not abuse any and maintain tolerance. And why are you abusing me now.
I have, as far as your noble cause is concerned, posted my writings on your belated and willfully delayed response to my postings on Madam Mayavathi’s opening ceremonies.Please read it and conclude your noble cause.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm
M/S HAPPY HINDU ANGLO VAIDIK NON-SENSE ABUSIVE CLUB MEMBERS` NOBLE CAUSE IS TO ABUSE ME FREQUENTLY !!!!!
THEY SAY THAT THEIR LAKSHMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S SISTERS .
THEY SAY THAT AMBEDKAR ,KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .
THEY SAY THAT VALMIKI WAS RAPIST .
THEY ARE CREATING AWARENESS BY ABUSING AND ABUSING TO ME .
I RETURN THESE ABUSES TO THEM , THEIR GODS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS .
rajashekar said
July 4, 2009 @ 11:51 am
Hurrah,
Thak you for deleting/removing my postings addressed to the blog’s administrator ,moderator and Chumber as well.
It only proves your discriminating attitude towards this society and the people.
This blog looks/appears more likely to support Chumber and not with any healthy intention to create awareness in the society.
Keep supporting Mr.Chumber for no cause of noble thing.
hh said
M/S HAPPY HINDU ANGLO VAIDIK NON-SENSE ABUSIVE CLUB MEMBERS` NOBLE CAUSE IS TO ABUSE ME FREQUENTLY !!!!!
THEY SAY THAT THEIR LAKSHMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S SISTERS .
THEY SAY THAT AMBEDKAR ,KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .
THEY SAY THAT VALMIKI WAS RAPIST .
THEY ARE CREATING AWARENESS BY ABUSING AND ABUSING TO ME .
I RETURN THESE ABUSES TO THEM , THEIR GODS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS .
—————–
Chumber, You are alleging nonsense with no restraint.
If Sanjam spoke bad things to you, you deal with him directly, don’t associate his dirty stuff with me or other posters.
You are the biggest and greatest abuser.
Nobody said valmiki was rapist, except you. You are the person who abuses the sages and then claim to be adi-dharmi.
Do you expect ppl to beleive you that you are a adi-dharmi? You are lunatic chepio, you don’t have any dharm. you are a khalistan sponsored khaalistan bootlicker of pakistan funders.
C . L . CHUMBER said
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS AGAINST STATUES !
I AM AGAINST THE RAJGHAT SAMADHIS AT DELHI WHICH ARE WASTING COSTLY LANDS WHICH CAN BE USED FOR THE RESIDENCES OF THE SLUM DEWELLERS !!!!!
THE SUPREME COURT MUST CLOSE THE RAJGHT SAMADHIS , THE MUSEUMS AND OTHER BUILDINGS ERECTED BY THE GOVT. FUNDS ON ANY PERSONALITY !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 2, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Mr. chumber,
I requested the Moderator and the Administrator and am reproducing my posting here under for your comment and opinion.
Sukra Charya said
Have social discriminations existed in other (non-Indian, non-Hindu) societies? Refer to the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_race
see Section 4.3.6 – it is of some importance. Apparently, other societies, which follow Abrahamic faiths, also practice social discrimination. Some to a much larger degree. English speaking nations (UK and USA) had formal government policies on Eugenics (i.e. making sure that people of an ‘inferior’ race do not propagate).
rajashekar said
Mr. Chumber,
You are proved to be infected with some sort dreaded virus that makes a person change his thinking attitude more like a seasoned politician all of a sudden and have an approach to the issues like a cunning bureaucrat. Have a single and committed agenda of nourishing your virgin thoughts openly with out any outside influence and fear as you profoundly claim.
Now I doubt , after reading your opinion , that you have any agenda with scant sanctity in it.
My question was very specific about opening ceremonies that took place in UP by Madam Mayavathi.
And I have not asked for your delightful and enlighting opinion on RAJGHAT SAMADHIS but seriously was looking up to you like a child for your very sincere , soul searching and more meaningful opinion on Madam Mayavathi’s unveiling ceremonies and jubilant celebrations there on at the cost of the tax payer of this country INCLUDING YOU ( If your an Indian and really paying tax).
But you only prove , time and again , your stupidity in giving vague and unrelated clarifications and opinions with lead headings and a set of sentence with out contributing any meaningful thought in it and more so with the cowardly attitude in handling the issues relevant and with out furnishing straight forward and proper clarification and recommendation authoritatively to the matter and issues raised / related to the social cause logically and ethically acceptable mainly because you are either influenced by other’s thought or PAID to write what is dictated to you like a STENOGRAPHER.
And if that is what, is happening with you, I shall stop blogging with you.
The Ghat , which is supposed to be and actually in deed to be , maintained and treated in dignity , honour and pride for those great soul put to rest for their eternal peace while struggled and struggling for the one and the only cause – Upliftment of dalits and the down trodden , should be occupied by slum dwellers??? open up toilets stinking and over flowing with unbearable filth, enough to spread any and all, dangerously life threatening , contagious disease to and through the whole country and the world ?. SHAME. IT IS JUST SHAME ON YOU LECHER.
LOOK CHUMBER , I LOOK UP TO YOU AND SEEK YOUR OPINION ON THE ISSUE OF UNVEILING OF STATUES , INAGURATION OF GARDENS AND MUSEUM BY NONE OTHER THAN THE ONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING HARD TO UPLIFT THE MINORITY AND THE DALITS LIKE YOU TO BRING THEM TO THE MAIN STREAM OF THE INDIAN POPULATION , FOR THE SAKE OF WHICH ,NOT ONLY YOU ABUSE HINDU / BRHMINS , OTHER HIGH CASTE AND THEIR FORE FATHER / ANCESTERS BUT ALSO THEIR GOD AND DEITY LIKE RAMA, KRISHNA, VISHNU, BRAHMA AND SHIVA etc., APART FROM RIDICULING THEIR HOLY SCRIPT.
You are Shit scared to respond convincingly and logically and piss frightened being humiliated by your opinion that is true to your heart and conscious and sincere . That is why you are unable to give straight forward answers and opinion . Well, and that is why I wrote some time back that you people pee and shit in your pants the moment you see / come across a commanding brahmin. Now you agree with my view / opinion about you. You are SCARED. It is not abusing as you claim but a naked truth that proved to be a real fact found and came out in its true colour from what you wrote as your clarification and opinion in which you have furnished some thing unrelated and not relevant . I now again say you people pee and shit in your langoooti (PANT) the moment you see a commanding brahmin and you dreamt of marrying a brahmin girl by means of unethical resrvation system . You should be sent to gallows at once with out showing any mercy for all your sins committed in this blog by your abusive language on humans, creed, community and their faith and form of worship , you swine.
Over and above you also recommend for the Supreme Court intervention , with out an iota of shame and any self respect which you always claim to have , to bring an order of Judgment to close the Raj Ghat Samadhis only to occupy by your dalit friends , followers. Make a list of them and send them a note. Perhaps they may be more than happy and a make a bee line to join your retarded agitation filled with lust, filth and the vulgar.
Tell me , when are you going to stop begging and especially for such costliest and holiest sanctuary of the world only to be occupied by none other than Dalit. It is OK , you beg for reservations to attain the holy priest hood. It is OK , you beg to support a dalit to sworn in as the Prime Minster of India or even the President of USA , let us say. It is even OK, if you beg for a Booker Prize for the first English alphabets you wrote in your childhood , unlike Mr.Adiga who is honoured for his Book WHITE TIGER . But it is an unpardonable crime that you beg for Rajghat to be closed only to be occupied by Dalit. It is a crime equal to an act committed , some thing like pulling the skeletons of your biological parents out of their grave only to accomadate to build a lavatory.
I am bankrupt for the phrase of words and unable to find any to write anything more than this about dragging the Supreme Court of this country into this matter. And you have morally lost all that Indian blood ( if you are really an Indian) in your veins and if your parents are Indians and are alive today, I am sure and the bloggers of this blog endorse that , they will disown you instantly with out a second thought.
And, in spite of that , Still I am looking up to you seeking your logically and ethically (if any) acceptable opinion.
Do not bring that most Honoured person Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar into the picture as a rule.
Please send your wisdom, if any , to the hell for its nourishment.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 7, 2009 @ 5:36 pm
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS AGAINST STATUES !
I AM AGAINST THE RAJGHAT SAMADHIS AT DELHI WHICH ARE WASTING COSTLY LANDS WHICH CAN BE USED FOR THE RESIDENCES OF THE SLUM DEWELLERS !!!!!
THE SUPREME COURT MUST CLOSE THE RAJGHT SAMADHIS , THE MUSEUMS AND OTHER BUILDINGS ERECTED BY THE GOVT. FUNDS ON ANY PERSONALITY !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 2, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Mr. chumber,
I requested the Moderator and the Administrator and am reproducing my posting here under for your comment and opinion.
rajashekar said
And Mr.Chumber,
I am eagrly waiting for your enlighting and delightful clarification for all my questions raised and posted to you .
Please note that I have given my comment on your reply with regard to Mr. Nilekani and seek your view on the same.
Hope you will not skip any and answer / clarify all.
C . L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMA MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI
bY Dr. Abraham Kovoor
Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the
“Saraswati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had no mother.
COURTESY :
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/gods_and_godesses
C . L . CHUMBER said
fFIRST OF ALL , YOU MAKE THE CORDIAL ATMOSPHERE FOR E-DIALOGUE .
ABUSERS CAN NOT DIALOGUE !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 8, 2009 @ 11:22 am
Mr. Chumber
Sukra Charya said
Chumber-ji,
Puranas cannot be used as evidence. Also Dr. Kovoor cannot be used as an authority on religion.
C.L.CHUMBER said
UNLESS YOU FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FILTHY LANGUAGE , YOU CAN NOT EXPECT DIALOGUE WITH A PERSON WHOM YOU ABUSED .
ABUSING AND DIALOGUE CAN NOT WORK TOGETHER !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 8, 2009 @ 11:30 am
And Mr.Chumber,
Sukra Charya said
Chumber-ji,
Here are the rules. Tell us if you like it.
1. The term “Manuwadi” is not to be used.
2. The terms “RAPIST..” etc. is not to be used.
3. Abuse of Hindu heritage and traditions will stop. (You can still question them though)
4. Advocating violence against another Hindu community will stop. (No more “Brahmins would be removed”). Advocating forced marriages with members of another community – IS ALSO VIOLENCE and will stop.
5. Advocating discrimination against another community will stop.
6. Abuse of national leaders will stop. Abusing Gandhi, Nehru (or any of freedom fighters) or any of the present-day national leaders will stop. You CAN question them, their logic, their actions.
7. When asked to provide evidence, provide it or withdraw your statement.
rajashekar said
Mr.Chumber,
First of all I would like to state that I have not abused at all and secondly reproduce those text that made you feel being abused.
Last but the least , define the term “ABUSIVE”. Because I am bit confused about what according to you is abusive. i will cottect my self.
I have in several occasion made it very clear to define the term ABUSIVE, but in vain. You are either ignorant or non commital on those.
So please take note that I need your definite version on the term ABUSIVE.
OR YOU ARE TAKING A SHELTER TO AVOID BEING PUT TO EMBARRASEMENT BY VARIOUS ISSUES POSED TO TOU.
IF YOU ARE FEARLESS AS YOU QOUOTED SOME WHERE IN THIS BLOG BE BRAVE AND SHOW UP YOUR COURAGE INSTEAD OF SHYING AWAY.
I expect your response on this
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 9, 2009 @ 9:32 am
fFIRST OF ALL , YOU MAKE THE CORDIAL ATMOSPHERE FOR E-DIALOGUE .
ABUSERS CAN NOT DIALOGUE !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 8, 2009 @ 11:22 am
Mr. Chumber
rajashekar said
Mr Chumber,
Please , pleae explain to me what is filthy language according to you.
And once gain I say, definthe term ” ABUSIVE.
And as far as my knowledge goes and as fas as I am concerned I have not abused you at all.
You can not accuse an innocent like this.
Please respond with your definitions
AND PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVANTAGE AS A ESCAPADE TO SKIP THOSE ISSUES POSTED TO YOU.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 13, 2009 @ 6:44 am
UNLESS YOU FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FILTHY LANGUAGE , YOU CAN NOT EXPECT DIALOGUE WITH A PERSON WHOM YOU ABUSED .
ABUSING AND DIALOGUE CAN NOT WORK TOGETHER !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 8, 2009 @ 11:30 am
And Mr.Chumber,
Sukra Charya said
Mr.Rajasekhara,
I have defined some of the conditions in my posting of July 13, 2009 @ 10:13 am (see above). We could start with these for non-abusive dialogue. What do you think?
C . L . CHUMBER said
HINDU SCRIPTS DESCRIBE THE HOMOSEXUAL CONDITION TO BE A ” BIOLOGICAL ONE ” !!!!!
The Hindu Council UK welcomed the Delhi High Court’s historic judgement which decriminalised consensual homo sexual relations and said Hinduism does not condemn gay people.
British Hindu homosexual community will welcome the news that their brethren in India are now be able to enjoy the same freedom as they do here, Anil Bhanot, General Secretary Hindu Council UK said. It is indeed good news that people are not discriminated against because of God’s laws of nature. Bhanot said the Hindu scripts describe the homosexual condition to be a “biological one, and although the scripture gives guidance to parents on how to avoid procreating a homosexual child, it does not condemn the child as unnatural.
“Hinduism prescribes 16 ceremonies to mark each major stage in one’s life span. We would usually observe the birth, name, adolescence, marriage, retirement and death ceremonies but there is a little known ceremony called the “insemination” ceremony or the Garbhadan Sanskaar, which I am sure nobody observes now-days.”
COURTESY:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hinduism-does-not-condemn-gay-people-uk-hindu-council/484563/
Sukra Charya said
“HINDU SCRIPTS DESCRIBE THE HOMOSEXUAL CONDITION TO BE A ” BIOLOGICAL ONE ” !!!!!”.
Yes, the homosexual “condition” IS a biological one. Even the specific genes in the DNA that cause this has been identified. Why is this a problem?
C . L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS A GOOD NEWS FOR THE RESEARCH SCHOLARS !!!!!
* 2,200 hand-written MARATHI manuscripts now on the net PUNE: Around 2,200 old and precious Marathi hand-written manuscripts,
ranging from 14th century to 19th century will now find a place on the world wide web, thanks to the efforts of the former librarian of
the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI), V L Manjul.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Pune/2200-hand-written-manuscripts-now-on-the-net/articleshow/4741744.cms
C.L.CHUMBER said
I HAD POSTED YOUR ABUSES AND I DO NOT WANT TO DIALOGUE WITH YOU !
rajashekar said
July 13, 2009 @ 10:10 am
Mr Chumber,
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERY ONE SHOULD NOT MIX UP WITH THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !
THE INTERCASTE MARRIAGES, INTER-STATE AND INTER-RELIGION MARRIAGES ARE LEGAL AND THE CENTRE GOVT.ALLOTS 25,000/- PLUS THE STATE GOVERNMENTS `S INCENTIVES ARE FOR THE INTER-CASTE MARRIED COUPLES !!
THE VISIONARY AND DARING YOUTHS DO THE INTERCASTE MARRIAGES !!!
THE UNLAWFUL FOOLS ARE PROPOGATING AGAINST LEGAL MARRIAGES !!!
THESE FELLOWS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE WHO BURNT THE ALIVE WIVES WITH THE DEAD BODIES OF THIER HUSBANDS .WE MUST THANK TO THE LORD WILLIWM BENTICK WHO ON THE ADVISE OF RAJA RAM MOHAN RAO BANNED THIS HINDU PRACTICE LEGALLY . WILL M/S HAPPY HINDU NON SENSE VAIDIK CLUB MEMBERS OPPOSE THE BENTICK AND RAJA RAO STEPS ?
C.L.CHUMBER said
THEN ENJOY AND BE HAPPY !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 9:18 pm
“HINDU SCRIPTS DESCRIBE THE HOMOSEXUAL CONDITION TO BE A ” BIOLOGICAL ONE ” !!!!!”.
Yes, the homosexual “condition” IS a biological one. Even the specific genes in the DNA that cause this has been identified. Why is this a problem?
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
People have been doing inter-caste marriages for over 200 years now! Even before Ambedkar, that is. However, you need to understand, it is UNLAWFUL to force anyone into a inter-caste marriage. THAT IS PUNISHABLE.
“THESE FELLOWS ARE THE DESCENDANTS ..”
Sati is act of a woman committing suicide. Historically, women have been known to commit suicide after a war. It was a practice in Rome and several parts of Africa. Women in those areas would committ suicide to prevent being
taken prisnors and sold into a Harem.
Women in Bengal might have committed sati to prevent being used as prostitutes by the soldiers of the East India Company. But answer me: Why should any MAN decide what is honorable for a WOMAN? Given the choice between death and forced-prostitution, many women even TODAY, may prefer DEATH.
In any case, sati as a practice is dead. Question is: Why are you fighting that ancient battle?
rajashekar said
Dear Mr. Sukra Charya,
I completely agree on par with you since It is quiet a decent and dignified proposition , any decent and dignified person , for that matter, is sure enough to propose . But I doubt for how far it is being adopted. And if adopted in full meaning of decent , dignity and respect, every viewer, participant and the bloggers of this blog will really feel high and respected and a cordial atmosphere can be created and participants thoughts and their writings can be exchanged in high spirit and respect. The sanctity of this blog will also be preserved apart from attracting more number of people to exchange their logically and ethically acceptable views with out being turned away for the scare of being targeted for abuses, phrase of filth and vulgar. Also the blog may become more popular for its open and broad minded pro active attitude towards exchange of views that is so pro social in thoughts and spiritually educative.
Other wise it only appears as a sickeningly stinking drainage with many and several Corpse decaying in it and people like you have to keep fighting to clean and clear the clogged drainage.
I am , in fact, very thankful to you , apart from being thankful to the Moderator and the Administrator of this blog , for the given opportunity to put it in this blog as to share my feeling about the blog and I really feel honoured for the same.
Apart from creating an atmosphere healthier for any dialogues and exchange of one’s view I also suggest , with the permission of the creator of this blog , that the owner of this blog has to enforce some sort of discipline among the bloggers to ensure that they abstain from or do not use filthy and abusive language and censure such writings before being posted for any body’s view and not mention that it should not be provocative but should be a pro active.
And again, Mr. Sukra Charya, it is not you or me to decide , at the end of the day, what is abusive , filthy and provocative but the owner of this blog , depending upon his or her (their) knowledge and wisdom and the ultimate purpose of creating this blog.
The cause for all those unpleasant exchange of dialogues going on in this blog are mainly because of some filthy and mean minded people with no sense of self respect and sanctity to their lives that the respected bloggers are made to throw abuses and filth at each other. And such people, who are the route cause for such ugly situation in the blog , have been suffering for ages from inherited inferiority syndrome ( I I S ) .
Of course it is not to find fault with them but to pity them that they have not been educated properly in a civilised world and have not been brought up by their parents in a dignified and decent manner and unfortunately such people do not realise the sanctity of their being humans. Their exposure to the civilised world is very minimum or nil. And they are there only to create unhealthy society with ruthless means of objects to reach their goal for their own benefit and in their own interest not being bothered about the society that supported them and hilarious enough that they start dictating and suggesting reformation in the society. Last but not the least,they have no social awareness and bondage but to inherit the benefit of social privilege.
Other wise it is cool and educative in its own way not to mention how really useful it is to those who are novice and still learning. People / participants / bloggers have to strive to make such ruthless people realise not to be carried away with their unholy and unhealthy sense of being and try to educate them as much as possible and as early as possible in a view to bring a change , liberty and sense of responsibility in the world.
In view of this I started my postings on the spiritual side of the world and proceed on that further depending upon the response I receive.
God bless you
Regards
Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 9:24 pm
Mr.Rajasekhara,
I have defined some of the conditions in my posting of July 13, 2009 @ 10:13 am (see above). We could start with these for non-abusive dialogue. What do you think?
Reply
rajashekar said
Hi Mr. Chumber,
You have not posted or produced any of my text that you claim to be abusive and filthy to bring it to my notice for my future corrections to have a cordial e-dialogue with you. Therefore, please reproduce those text of mine addressed to you that are abusive and filthy , not in selected format but in relevence.
Of course if you do not want have a dialogue I will not be at loss but you will bw at a great loss and some other bloggers or participant of this blog will defenitely exchange their views with me. And I am sure to respond them properly.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 15, 2009 @ 8:44 am
I HAD POSTED YOUR ABUSES AND I DO NOT WANT TO DIALOGUE WITH YOU !
rajashekar said
July 13, 2009 @ 10:10 am
Mr Chumber,
rajashekar said
Mr.Sukra Charya,
Please read this sentence -not mention that it should not be provocative but should be a pro active as NOT TO MENTION THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE PROVOCATIVE BUT SHOULD BE PRO ACTIVE.
Regret for the err.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ HOW JUDICIARY , EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATURE FAIL TO DELIVER JUSTICE TO EVEN A MURDERED PERSON !!!!!
– – –
* MP CHIEF MINISTER HAS PRIVATE VISIT WITH SABHARWAL MURDER SUSPECTS .
COURTESY :
http://www.indiatime.com/2008/01/04/mp-chief-minister-has-private-visit-with-sabharwal-murder-suspects/
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ MY TESTIMONY !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 4:18 am
* RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS CAN NOT BE TRUE GODS .
* THERE FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO HAVING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST BENT OF MINDS !
* YOU MAY CALL YOUR RELIGION ” RAPIST-RACIST-FASCIST-GODS`RELIGION “. !!!!!
* YOU PEOPLE ARE SHAMELESS HAVING WORSHIPING SHAITAN GODS !!!!! YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING A TRUE RELIGION .
* YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE ARISTOCRAT , ANARCHY AND AUTHORITATIVE RELIGION .
* YOUR RELIGION IS BASED ON CRUELTY , CORRUPTION ( SEXUAL ) AND COMMUNALISM .
* YOUR GODS ARE VIOLENT , VIRUS AND VENOM FOR NON-BRAHMANS .
* YOU ARE THREATENING ME TO ELIMINATE ME PHYSICALLY .
* THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN ?
* THEN WILL THE CHARGES OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ON YOUR EVIL GODS BE EVAPORATED ?
* YOUR ARROGANCE ENCOURAGES ME THAT I HAVE RAISED THE RIGHT ISSUES WHICH ARE MAIN HURDLES IN THE OVER ALL MENTAL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTRY .
* I WILL NEVER BE THE STOOGE OF THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
* I WILL THROW THE RAPIST , RACIST AND RACIST EVIL GODS IN THE GUTTER BECAUSE WE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ARE DETERMINED TO ESTABLISH THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL SPIRIT IN TRUE SENSE .
* WE WISH TO AVAIL EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE FROM INCEPTION TO ONWARDS .NOTHING ELSE .
COURTESY :
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ !
C,L.CHUMBER said
August 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY-B.R.AMBAWDEKAR !!!!!
***** IF HINDUS WISH TO BE A ONE ,THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCARD HINDUISM. THEY CAN NOT BE ONE WITHOUT VIOLATING HINDUISM .HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY . HINDUISM CAN NOT CREATE THAT LONGING TO BELONG WHICH IS THE BASIS OF ALL UNITY .ON THE CONTRARY HINDUISM CREATES AN EAGERNESS TO SEPARATE . ( IN HIS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” , JAN.1991, MUMBAI , PAGE 187)
COURTESY :
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Dear Chumber ji ,
You are doing well by exposing the corrupt governments . I appreciate you . I am sorry that your opponents did not appreciate your fight against the corruption .I strongly condemn the abusers of this blog .
prabhakar said
Dalits have had 15-16 anti-Hindu ( Congress ) Governments headed by muslim Nehru dynasty ( presently Christian Sonia), reservations for 65 years of independent India, an Atrocity Act which puts ( in 95 % cases innocent ) upper caste men to jail, a land grant protection Law which prohibits transfer to non-dalits ( by which 100% of grantees first sell their lands and then cliam it back witout paying back ) and could achieve great leaders like Paswan and Mayavati, and many doctors and professors and scientists of repute ( some one should tell where they are! ). The tone, ideas,language and grammer in the above discussion by many are examples of what this country can expect from them. The following doubts arise by reading this forum.
1. If brahmins could become extinct by if all dalits marrying -seducing ( someone even used f*** word) brahmin girls,who will marry dalit girls ? What if brahmins marry your women and educate their children to make another generation of brahmins! One participant even thasuggestted brahmin women are also oppressed and should be liberated,but he forgot to think of his women at all while writing like that,how funny!
2. How do all brahmin girls accept tomarry dalits,captivated-attracted by your ideas, grammer,language-wisdomthat you all exhibited here?
3. If Rama is fiction how Valmiki is real? If Vedas are fiction how Parashurama is real ? Reality and fiction appear whenever the story suits to your anger?
4. If all dalits marry brahmin girls,should reservations be continued to the children or not ?
5. I am a sudra,not a brahmin.I have achieved high academic excellence, status in society by studying under the guidance of brahmin teachers- not by any reservation. Why Ambedkar became the only scholar in these 100 years of dalit movement despite all the facilities given since British period?
6. Why not a single dalit discussing in this forum talks of the hard work and sacrifice and struggle of Ambedkar but only aspires for a brahmin wife like him?
7. If you blame brahmins to have created dalits, then who created different sects among dalits and who is the cause of infighting among dalits?
8. If you blame that Hinduism is causing inequality why there is demand for reservation for dalit christians and dalit muslims?
9. How do dalits justify the unreasonable wealth their great leaders have accumulated ?
10. How do dalits justify the sons and daughters of their politicians inheriting the politicallegacy their parents enjoyed in this democracy ?
Any answer..?
Sukra Charya said
“If all dalits marry brahmin girls,should reservations be continued to the children or not ?”
Mr/Ms. Prabhakar,
You have taken taken the trouble to identify many issues. Unfortunately, many of these will go unanswered.
We know that Mr. Lalloo Prasad Yadav and Mr. Karunanidhi have amassed vast amounts of wealth. Certainly, they have not EARNED it, during their lives. Mr. Karunanidhi’s ill-gotten wealth is estimated to be 6000 cores – yes, SIX THOUSAND CRORES!! That money belongs to the people of India. Mr.Yadav is not far behind. I wonder, how much Mayawati has stashed away?
At least a couple of people on this forum, feel that Dalits should NOT feel cheated if their leaders steal their money. In addition, they feel that have the right to kill people of other communities. In effect, they openly advocate the law of the jungle. Is is what what our fore-fathers fought for?
At the end of the day, honest Dalits (like you) will protest – and its those protests that will count. These are the protests which matter. In Hinduism, a protest by ANY CITIZEN, however small, matters. In Islam and Saudi Arabia, the royal family makes ALL THE RULES. An ordinary citizen has no voice, no rights. And THIS IS THE LAND OF THE PROPHET!
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
You can not convert Lies into truth by shouting the same slogans billions of time or to put it this way, even if you repeat/chant a Lie billions of time, it can not and it would not become a TRUTH.
You can not make your Crows look bright and colourful by repeatedly refusing to accept the beauty of a Pecock, isn’t it ?. I think you understood what I mean. So think yourself how many times more you have to shout the same lies again, again and again at least to make you believe what you say is true.
I sincerely suggest you not to indulge in such a funny and disgraceful act which does not harm any one or any thing but may succeed very marginally in hurting the sentiments of some group of people who come across this blog and of course, ultimately , who finally consider and accept you more as an insane than an individual with any respectable personality . That is all that. You damage and deface your own self. No one is bothered . It simply does not and can not bring any change in the doctrine of any philosophy but will change you into a consignment of filth, abuse with several packs of vulgar and vicious psyche .
So with out getting into those sort of things, promote your philosophy gracefully in a dignified way rather than going on a social riots. Social riots brings only disgrace and not respect. Of course, you are immune to it.
In conclusion, you can not make your philosophy more attractive , clean and acceptable by throwing abuses at other philosophy. You have to have an acceptable and easily adoptable philosophy. So you have to very well utilize your knowledge ,if any , in developing such philosophy that can be wide spread in humility and at will and naturally advocated not to show your menial, narrow minded and disgraceful approach towards any thing that you want to achieve.
WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 18, 2009 @ 10:18 am
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ MY TESTIMONY !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 4:18 am
* RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS CAN NOT BE TRUE GODS .
* THERE FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO HAVING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST BENT OF MINDS !
* YOU MAY CALL YOUR RELIGION ” RAPIST-RACIST-FASCIST-GODS`RELIGION “. !!!!!
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 21, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ !
C,L.CHUMBER said
August 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY-B.R.AMBAWDEKAR !!!!!
***** IF HINDUS WISH TO BE A ONE ,THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCARD
Sukra Charya said
Nothing to Read. These are just old, tired arguments. Their time came and went. Lets bury them.
C.L.CHUMBER said
ALL THE ARGUMENTS PRO AND ANTI-HINDUISM WILL BE BURIED WITH THE HINDUISM !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 27, 2009 @ 10:57 am
Nothing to Read. These are just old, tired arguments. Their time came and went. Lets bury them.
Sukra Charya said
No, Mr.Chumber.
Even in this forum, you and Mr.Sharma are the only ones who are ANTI-HINDU and ANTI-DALIT. Hinduism has seen a lot of people like you, come and go. That’s because Hinduism is self-correcting.
Dalits are a part of Hindu society. They are not stupid. They are as good (or as bad) as other communities.
In this new age, everyone has a role – and modern India gives everyone a chance to realize their dreams. The only ones who will be left behind are those who are still thinking about yesterday. These people will forego the opportunities of today and tomorrow.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Chumber wrote quite right to which we must agree . Some of our friends stand behind the evils which is not good ethically and legally . I condemn them and I appreciate Mr. Chumber for his rational and daring views with references .
rajashekar said
July 25, 2009 @ 8:27 am
Hi Chumber,
WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 18, 2009 @ 10:18 am
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ MY TESTIMONY !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 4:18 am
* RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS CAN NOT BE TRUE GODS .
* THERE FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO HAVING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST BENT OF MINDS !
* YOU MAY CALL YOUR RELIGION ” RAPIST-RACIST-FASCIST-GODS`RELIGION “. !!!!!
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 21, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ !
C,L.CHUMBER said
August 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY-B.R.AMBAWDEKAR !!!!!
***** IF HINDUS WISH TO BE A ONE ,THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCARD
Sukra Charya said
“Some of our friends stand behind the evils which is not good ethically and legally.”
What is right, what is wrong, and WHAT IS EVIL. is not yours to define.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE AGENTS OF PARTITION
By Hassan Mansur
Muslims are on the defensive when charges of stocking separatism, responsibility for partition and being fanatical about their faith are made. The cliche, “knowledge is power” is no longer a cliche because knowledge, about events leading to the partition, will empower the Muslim intelligentsia to rebut the slanderous charges made against their community. This is the year of the 50th anniversary of Indian Independence and it is all the more necessary that armed with this knowledge the Muslims walk tall, holding their heads high, taking their rightful place among other communities in this land instead of feeling besieged, inhibited and diffident about their role in the country’s struggle for freedom.
There has been a spate of books written on the events leading to partition of India. The slander that Muslims were primarily responsible for partition has been gaining ground with the falsification of history, notably perpetrated by Hindutva nationalists in the Sangh Parivar as well as the Indian National Congress (INC). The truth saw the light of day when the British Government in the 1980s declassified documents held as highly confidential, relating to events leading to partition. Based on that, the eminent jurist, H.M. Seervai, author of that monumental, ‘The Constitutional Law of India’ wrote his “The partition of India”, exonerating Jinnah and holding mainly the INC responsible for the partition. Then came the renewed Pakistani social scientist, Ayesha Jalal who in her, ‘M.A. Jainnah-The Sole Spokesman’ convincingly argued that Jinnah did not want partition. This was followed by Raj Mohan Gandhi’s, ‘The Muslim Mind’ in whose book the longest and best essay is on Jinnah; he is critical of the role of his grandfather, Mahatma Gandhi and is outspoken in his eulogy of Jinnah. M.C. Chagla, a close associate of Jinnah, later Indian Foreign Minister and C. Rajagopalachari, were both convinced that Jinnah was not keen on partition.
Many readers are not aware that the genesis of separatism could be traced to the Hindu nationalist leaders who are guilty of this original sin.Madan Mohan Malaviya, a stalwart of INC wrote a series of articles in the ‘Punjab Tribune’ arguing that Hindus and Muslim were two separate nations. Savarkar in his notorious book, “Hindutva” trotted forth forcibly the same view as Malaviya’s. Gol walker, revered as Guruji by the Sangh Parivar, went to the length of declaring that Muslims could live in Bharat as second-class citizens, denied of all rights. The latest on partition, “Liberty or Death: India’s journey to independence and division” has been written by Patrick French who “takes a refreshingly irreverent look at icons of Indian Freedom Struggle”, a book well documented by rigorous research and most objective in approach. He is harshest on Gandhiji, holding him individually responsible alongside Congress, for Muslim alienation. Historians, native and non-native, objective on outlook are of the unanimous view that three factors drove Jinnah to lose faith in the Congress; Nehru committee’s rejection of the demand for onethird representation of Muslims in the Central Legislature, Congress going back on its promise that two Muslim League ministers would be taken into the UP cabinet after 1937 elections and the last straw when Nehru declared that only two forces counted, British Raj and Congress. These tactical mistakes, pointed out by Moulana Azad in his, “India wins freedom” led to the tragedy of partition.
Another point to be borne in mind is that partition was the outcome of the vested interests of the upper class elite Muslims. The poor and the marginalised who formed the majority of the Muslim community had no right to vote as the franchise was qualified by property and educational criteria. By no stretch of imagination can the Muslim community be blamed for the partition of this country.
Attention has to be drawn to the conspiracy of silence that envelopes the role of Muslims in the freedom struggle. But that is another story that needs to be retold in great detail. It suffices to recall the sacrifices made by thousands of Muslims, their notable role as apart of the Indian National Army and the Indian Naval mutiny. It is the poetry of Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Maqdum Mohiyuddin and Sardar Jaffri and a host of other Muslim artists who inspired the people to confront colonialism.
All the texts cited in the course of this article, it is obligatory, that they should be studied by the Muslim intelligentsia to meet the cacophonous slanderous charges of the Sangh Parivar and its allies found in the rightist and centrist political parties, not to speak of some Gandhians. The knowledge gained from these texts will enable Muslims to meet the challenges posed by the Hindutva separatists.
COURTESY : http://www.islamicvoice.com/september.97/feat.htm#AGE
rajashekar said
Hi Mr.Ramakrishan Sharma,
Stop answering on behalf of Chumber. I did not seek your views on my writings since I found you most incompetent . So please do not act foolishly. What did you understand by my writings. Can you put It in your language with out reproducing my texts. Just stop poking and shut up man.
HI CHUMBER,
IF YOU ARE INCAPABLE TO CLARIFY MY POINTS POSTED ON YOU JUST ACCEPT IT WITH OUT ANY SHY BUT STOP REQUESTING IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE MR.RAMAKRISHAN SHARMA TO RESPOND TO MY WRITINGS ON YOUR BEHALF.YOU ARE INSULTING ME BY ALLOWING/PERMITTING HIM TO DO SO.
OR IS HE AUTHORISED TO INHERIT YOU.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
July 28, 2009 @ 3:32 am
Mr. Chumber wrote quite right to which we must agree . Some of our friends stand behind the evils which is not good ethically and legally . I condemn them and I appreciate Mr. Chumber for his rational and daring views with references .
rajashekar said
July 25, 2009 @ 8:27 am
Hi Chumber,
WHAT DO YOU SAY ??
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 18, 2009 @ 10:18 am
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ MY TESTIMONY !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 4:18 am
* RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS CAN NOT BE TRUE GODS .
* THERE FOLLOWERS ARE ALSO HAVING RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST BENT OF MINDS !
* YOU MAY CALL YOUR RELIGION ” RAPIST-RACIST-FASCIST-GODS`RELIGION “. !!!!!
1. C . L . CHUMBER said
July 21, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ !
C,L.CHUMBER said
August 9, 2008 @ 7:01 pm
HINDUISM IS THE GREATEST OBSTACLE TO HINDU UNITY-B.R.AMBAWDEKAR !!!!!
***** IF HINDUS WISH TO BE A ONE ,THEY WILL HAVE TO DISCARD
Sukra Charya said
“By no stretch of imagination can the Muslim community be blamed for the partition of this country.”.
Nobody did.
desh said
India is my country. Brahmin people is the major part of the Country since many 1000 years. There is no question of any One’s marriage and Brahmin caste. Personal steps should be considered as personal history not for all caste. If one Brother is Thief and another is loyal. Law does not attack on loyal. Therefore, at present, There is no lower caste in India and need not to be reservation. Because. …………………….?
C.L.CHUMBER said
A Wisdom Archive on Mohammad Ali Jinnah – Dr Ambedkar
ARTICLES RELATED TO Mohammad Ali Jinnah
Mohammad Ali Jinnah: Encyclopedia II – Mohammad Ali Jinnah – Political Career
Courtesy : http://www.experiencefestival.com/mohammad_ali_jinnah
C.L.CHUMBER said
NOW , I HAVE COMPLETED MY WORK TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARTITION OF INDIA BY SUPPLYING SOME LINKS .
THIS WAS A BIG PLOT TO DISINTEGRATE THE MUSLIMS BY THE BRAHMINISM AND CAPITALISM TO DISLODGE THE NON-ARYANS POLITICALLY .
THEY ALSO MISGUIDED BABA SAHEB TO CONVERT HIM TO THE BUDDHISM WHICH IS NEARER TO THE BRAHMINISM .
THAT IS WHY HE HAD TO RETREAT HIS PHILOSOPHICAL STANDS IN THE ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .” PUBLISHED IN 1945 AD . IN THIS BOOK , HE ESTABLISHED THAT THE SCs WERE NOT HINDUS AND THEY WERE A SEPARATE ELEMENT .HE COMMITTED HIS FAULT BY SIGNING THE POONA PACT IN HIS CHAPTER ” POONA PACT – A MEAN DEAL ” IN THIS BOOK .
IN THE NEXT YEAR , he published books ‘ Who were the Shudras ‘ and ‘ The Untouchables ‘ to denounce his first stand ! HE TRIED HIS BEST TO ESTABLISH THAT THE SHUDRA / UNTOUCHABLES WERE THE KASHATRIYAS OF THE INDO-ARYAN SOCIETY . HE AGAIN ESTABLISHED THAT THE UNTOUCHABLES WERE THE EX-BUDDHISTS !
DR. AMBEDKAR`S THIS DRASTIC CONVERSION TO BUDDHISM DIVIDED AND WEAKENED THE DALIT MOVEMENT .
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
Do you mean to say Dr.Dada Saheb Ambedkar was so weak in his philosophical intelligence that he was misguided by brahmanical capitalist to convert himself to Buddhism. For a moment let us agree with each other that Dr. Ambedkar was misguided to embrace Buddhism then what happens to your other writings in this blog .
I have read , some where in this blog , you stating that Dr. Dada Saheb Ambedkar embraced Budhism to keep himself away from Hinduism. Your own statements goes like this as under . For a change I sincerely followed your every foot step with out giving any miss and copied your texts as it is and Please read yourself:
C,L.CHUMBER said
July 28, 2008 @ 4:12 am
Babasaheb himself joined Buddhism to break these caste walls ?
The above statement says he voluntarily embraced the Buddhism. Isn’t is ?? Or do you have any other intelligent clarification and interpretation. Please clarify if any.
C . L . CHUMBER said
April 16, 2009 @ 6:08 am
CONGRESS DID NOT DO JUSTICE TO AMBEDKAR ! – MR. ADVANI…………………………………………. …………………………………………………………DR. AMBEDKAR WAS NOT INDEPENDENT TO DRAFT THE CONSTITUTION AS THE BUDDHISTS , JAINS AND SIKHS ARE RECODES AS HINDUS !!!!! HE WAS NOT SUCCEEDED IN PASSING THE HINDU CODE BILL DUE TO THE OPPOSITION OF THE RSS AND PASSIVENESS OF MR. NEHRU WHICH RESULTED IN BABA SAHEB`S RESIGNATION FROM THE CABINET !!!!!THIS WAS THE POLITICAL SITUATION . BABA SAHEB WAS FED UP WITH THE MANUWADI SOCIETY AND EMBRACED THE BUDDHISM TO COUNTER THE BRAHMINISM .HE ASKED HIS FOLLOWERS ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956……………….
Here the above statement says that Dr. Dada Saheb Ambedkar has miserably failed to bring the Hindu Code Bill passed and being fed up with the Manuwadi Society he embraced Buddhism. Isn’t it ?? or you have other interpretation please submit in this blog.
So , Now which of your above statements is true. Will you please clarify.
C.L .CHUMBER said
December 21, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
YOUR GOOD SELF ARE SELLING ROTTEN EGGS !!!!!
Now you proved who is selling rotten egg. Are you not ??
I am not writing my points on other topics you mentioned in this postings because I do not have time right now. So if possible I will come back to that some time later. Do not worry.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 28, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
NOW , I HAVE COMPLETED MY WORK TO HIGHLIGHT THE PARTITION OF INDIA BY SUPPLYING SOME LINKS .
THIS WAS A BIG PLOT TO DISINTEGRATE THE MUSLIMS BY THE BRAHMINISM AND CAPITALISM TO DISLODGE THE NON-ARYANS POLITICALLY .
THEY ALSO MISGUIDED BABA SAHEB TO CONVERT HIM TO THE BUDDHISM WHICH IS NEARER TO THE BRAHMINISM .
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear Sukra Cgarya ji ,
Neither I nor myself is against any caste , creed , religion , region and language except evils .
If a rapist is a religious person , the Inndian constitution and Indian Penal Code do not permit him to do so . Is it not true ? If a religious person is casteist , the indian constitution and IPC do not permit him to do so . Is it not true ? If a religious person is fascist , the Indian constitution and IPC do not permit him to do so . Is it not true ? The Malegaon Hindu extremists case is a good example in which a so called Hindu Shankracharya is in jail for his fascist activities . He urged the police not to demonstraate his vedio films of illicit relations with ladie , otherwise he threatened to commit suicide .Is it not true ?
The matter is not religious . The matter is of ethics and law and order . Mr. Chumber is fighting against the rapeism , raceism and fascism . What is wrong in it ? Mr. Happy Hindu once claimed that he is against the rapeism , raceism and fascism EXCEPT Chumber . But Mr. Chumber is fighting against these evils continuously but Mr. Happy Hindu and his team is threatening even to kill him , declaring his father a rapist and threatened at this low level that Lakshman will rape Mr. Chumber`s sisters . Let us decide who is at fault . I think that you all by your misdeeds let down the Hindu society .
What is wrong if we feel sorry for misdeeds of our Gods and forefathers ? If we will revive Ram , the dalits will revive Saint Shambuk and the feminists will revive Sita to expose Ram . What is wrong in it . In South India , the people burn the effigies of Ram . I suggest to leave the past for the sake of bright future of Indian children .
Second , the dalits are not part of the Hindu society unless you have not blood relations . Thanks .
Sukra Charya said
July 28, 2009 @ 11:18 am
No, Mr.Chumber.
Even in this forum, you and Mr.Sharma are the only ones who are ANTI-HINDU and ANTI-DALIT. Hinduism has seen a lot of people like you, come and go. That’s because Hinduism is self-correcting.
Dalits are a part of Hindu society. They are not stupid. They are as good (or as bad) as other communities.
In this new age, everyone has a role – and modern India gives everyone a chance to realize their dreams. The only ones who will be left behind are those who are still thinking about yesterday. These people will forego the opportunities of today and tomorrow.
ToAStupidFellow said
But Mr. Chumber is fighting against these evils continuously but Mr. Happy Hindu and his team is threatening even to kill him , declaring his father a rapist and threatened at this low level that Lakshman will rape Mr. Chumber`s sisters . Let us decide who is at fault . I think that you all by your misdeeds let down the Hindu society .
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Chumber, you are stupid and incapable of simple reasoning no doubt. But don’t keep alleging baseless things at other people.
Nobody called your father a rapist. Instead you are calling Valmiki a rapist and then claiming to be adi-dharmi.
Who is threatening to kill you? You have many imaginary hallucinations. You think you are worth being killed, you think are so important, etc. You are only fit to be laughed at like a clown in a circus. It is you who has been threatning to shoot people.
If Sanjam abused you then you deal with him directly. He wrote all the rotten stuff about you and lakshman. Nobody has anything to do with Sanjam. You deal with him directly, don’t link him to others.
ToAStupidFellow said
Mr. Happy Hindu once claimed that he is against the rapeism , raceism and fascism EXCEPT Chumber .
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Stupidity means a person will keep repeating the same thing even if it has been explained a thousand times before.
All sane people in this whole world are against rapism, racism and fascism. Chumber is the one who is claiming to be fighting against it by linking all that nonsense stuff to hindusim.
Chumber is a dumhead who cannot produce one single verse from any sanskrit literature to prove his allegations. But he continues to allege. Ask him to file a case and come to court. Enough of his stupid nonsense.
Sukra Charya said
“..Hindu Shankracharya is in jail for his fascist activities..”.
No case against Sr Sri Shankracharya is proved.. And most probably will never be. The matter is still in court. Since His Holiness was arrested without evidence – the culprits are the Police. Tomorrow the Police can arrest you or any of family members WITHOUT ANY CAUSE.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Please read as below :
Neither I nor MR. SHARMA is against any caste , creed , religion , region and language except evils
INSTEAD OF
C.L.CHUMBER said
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 29, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
Dear Sukra Cgarya ji ,
Neither I nor myself is against any caste , creed , religion , region and language except evils
C.L.CHUMBER said
THESE MANUWADI AND ANTI-CONSTITUTION PERSONS PROTECT THE MANUWADI AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL CORRUPT AND TREACHEROUS CENTRE GOVT. !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 20, 2009 @ 5:44 pm
One feels that person is now asking asking the Indian nation to give him the 72,500 CRORES.
rajashekar said
July 23, 2009 @ 8:43 am
Mr.Sukracharya,
It is well said indeed because that is how it looks like going by most of the quotes in this blog.
And in case , as you mention, the reward for Rs. 72,500 CRORES is
Sukra Charya said
“Neither I nor MR. SHARMA is against any caste , creed , religion , region and language except evils …”.
Chumber-ji,
You cannot declare that something is EVIL, based on your emotions and feelings. WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE for any declarations that you make.
I will admit that some people have been rude in their replies. But Chumber-ji, that does not absolve us when we make the same mistakes, does it?
Finding TRUTH is never easy. And all of us will stumble – some more than others. In this journey, false faiths will attempt to mislead us, because its their mission.
Take a step back and look. If the treatment of dalits is so bad, how is it Ambedkar is still regarded as the SOLE architect of the Indian Constitution? THAT credit has not been stolen away from him, nor has any attempt been made to do so.
So, the hatred against the Hindu society/community seems unjustified, is it not?
Sukra Charya said
“What is wrong if we feel sorry for misdeeds of our Gods and forefathers ?”.
Chumber-ji,
That is your RIGHT. But you have no right to hurt others sensibilities of others.
Society already reveres Sita Devi and her immense sacrifices. As I said before, one of the responsibilities of a Leader of a Nation, is that they put they put the nation ahead of their family. The leader’s wife and family HAVE TO COME SECOND, if at all. That is the reason we revere Lord Ram. SitaDevi understood the responsibilities of her husband and respected it. In a sense, one could say, Sita Devi understood the responsibilities of being The First Lady.
Today, in our national scene, we have leaders who put their family ahead of the nation. That alone will account for all the corruption. If we had anyone who behaved like Lord Ram as our leader, maybe the plight of the average Indian would be far less. The question of “exposing” Lord Ram does not arise.
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“..In South India , the people burn the effigies of Ram.”.
That does not make it right. At one time it was a popular event. That time has gone. Over the decades, the people visiting temples has vastly increased. If the intention of burning the effigy was to turn the people away from Hinduism, it has obviously failed.
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“I suggest to leave the past for the..”.
Chumber-ji,
Yes, we could. That is, leave Lord Ram and Hinduism out of the Dalit debate. Is that a promise ?
Sukra Charya said
“Second , the dalits are not part of the Hindu society..”.
I understand your sentiments. But you may have to make a case with the Dalit community at large. We don’t think they want to be at war with Hindus or Hinduism or India. You could make a start by standing in elections, making this your stand – and winning.
C.L.CHUMBER said
This is an interesting write up published in hard and digital copies of the Week weekly dated August 2 , 2009 .
I reproduce it without comments !!!!!
Power play –
Illustrations: Hadimani
PARTY SNACKS
Call it the irony of times, or of alliances. Karunanidhi once asked in which engineering college Rama studied to be qualified enough to construct the Ram Sethu. The other day he released a Tamil translation of Ramayan by Union Minister Veerappa Moily. The Moily Ramayan is packed with leftist and feminist ideals. All the same, Karunanidhi said he would continue to be critical of the epic. He did have a word of praise for Moily’s work. Karunanidhi called it “revolutionary, liberating, feminist and markedly different from other versions of the epic”. Alliance ethics, we say.
Courtesy
:http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@&contentType=EDITORIAL§ionName=TheWeek%20Current%20Events&programId=1073754900&contentId=5757593
C.L.CHUMBER said
MY STAND IS AS BELOW FOR INDIAN RELIGIONS :
! THE HINDUISM IS THE BRAHMINISM MEANS THE DOMINANCY OF THE BRAHMINS ON NON BRAHMINS .
2.THE BUDDHISM AND THE JAINISM ARE THE RELIGIONS OF THE KASHATTRIYAS MEANS THE DOMINANCY OF THE KASHATTRIYAS ON THE REST OF THE THREE VARNAS ..
3. THE SIKHISM IS THE RELIGION OF THE VAISH VARNA MEANS THE DOMINANCY OF THE VAISH VARNA ON THE REST OF THE THREE VARNAS ..
4.THE SANTISM / ADI-DHARAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS MEANS FREE FROM THE DOMINANCY OF THE VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 29, 2009 @ 2:02 pm
Hi Chumber,
C.L.CHUMBER said
WILL THE POLITICAL POWER IN THE HANDS OF ” AAM AADMI ” COME BY BALLOT BOXES OR BY THE BULLETS ? ? ? ? ?
EVMs tamper-proof, says poll panel, invites naysayers to demo Buzz Up Share
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New Delhi, Aug 1 (IANS) Maintaining that the Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs) are ‘fully tamper-proof’, the Election Commission Saturday invited political parties and others who have raised doubts about the credibility of the machines to come for a demonstration that would set their misgivings at rest ‘once and for all’.
Days after Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader L.K. Advani and other political leaders voiced doubts about the reliability of the EVMs that were used during the April-May Lok Sabha polls, the poll panel in a statement said: ‘The Election Commission remains entirely satisfied that EVMs cannot be tampered with. These are fully tamper-proof.
‘So far, no one has been able to demonstrate that EVMs used by the Election Commission can be tampered or manipulated.
While ‘completely rejecting the contention regarding fallibility of the EVMs’, the Commission said: ‘It has now decided to go the extra distance by inviting all those who have expressed reservations about the machine to come and demonstrate the points made in their allegations.’
It invited those who had approached the courts and political parties to its headquarters in New Delhi in the first week of August for a demonstration.
The meeting would be held in the presence of technical experts as well as engineers representing the EVM manufacturers.
‘The Election Commission expects that the demonstration would once and for all set at rest any misgiving anywhere in the interest of the country’s electoral democracy,’ the statement said.
On July 27, the apex court had refused to entertain a lawsuit by an election watch group that had raised doubts about the EVMs and asked it to approach the commission first.
The commission said July 22 it had written to one of the petitioners to come and demonstrate the ‘so called manipulation of the EVM’.
The commission said the petitioners approached them only after the Supreme Court rejected their appeal. The poll panel replied to them Friday, reiterating its invitation to them to come and demonstrate how the machine could be tampered with, as they have alleged, next week.
‘EVMs have served the country’s elections well. These were introduced after long ranging political, technical and administrative consultations since 1979. The use of machines has helped prevent several electoral malpractices and resulted in more efficient conduct of elections,’ the statement added.
The commission said judgments from various courts have upheld the use of EVMs and technical experts have endorsed the machines from time to time.
‘In fact, the Karnataka High Court has hailed the EVM as ‘a national pride’. Similarly, the Madras High Court, after elaborate consideration of the issue in a batch of petitions in 2001, rejected allegations that the EVMs could be tampered with,’ it added.
The commission said similar petitions have been filed before the Madras High Court, the Bombay High Court and the Madhya Pradesh High Court (Jabalpur bench).
It reiterated that unlike the machines used by other countries, which are based on operating systems, the software in the EVM chip is one-time programmable and the programme is burnt into the chip at the time of manufacture.
‘Nothing can be written on the chip after manufacture. The EVM in India is a fully stand-alone machine without being part of any network and with no provision for any input. In addition, elaborate administrative measures and procedural checks are in place to make the EVM doubly safe against any possible tampering or misuse. So, it is completely tamper proof,’ it said.
Advani and some other political leaders had recently sought that the Election Commission revert to the old method of using ballot papers for elections.
The BJP leaders alleged the EVMs could be tampered with, and had cited the case of Germany where the EVMs were scrapped.
Former bureaucrat Omesh Saigal, who was the first to raise the issue of the possibility of EVMs being tampered with, has also been invited by the Election Commission for a demonstration between Aug 3 and 7.
Courtesy : http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090801/818/tnl-evms-tamper-proof-says-poll-panel-in.html
C.L.CHUMBER said
I CAN REPRODUCE WHO CALLED DR. AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS !!!!!
CAN YOU TELL THE VIEWERS WHERE I WROTE THAT VALMIKI WAS A RAPIST ? ? ? ? ?
I CAN REPRODUCE WHO MANUWADI SAID THAT VALMIKI WAS A RAPIST !!!!!
I REQUEST THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com TO PERFORM A ROLE OF THE REFREE WHO IS AT FAULT IN WRITING .
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 8:47 am
Nobody called your father a rapist. Instead you are calling Valmiki a rapist and then claiming to be adi-dharmi.
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ WHO IS THREATENING TO KILL ME !!!!!
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 8:47 am
Chumber,
Who is threatening to kill you? You have many imaginary hallucinations. You think you are worth being killed, you think are so important, etc. You are only fit to be laughed at like a clown in a circus. It is you who has been threatning to shoot people.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 30, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
MR. RAJASHEKAR CONFESSED TO MR. R.K.SHARMA THAT HE THREATENED ME TO KILL ME MERCIFULLY IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
ToAStupidFellow said
PLEASE READ WHO IS THREATENING TO KILL ME !!!!!
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Chumber,
Did rajahshekar threaten to kill you? Show me in which post did he say that.
I think you are stupid and incapable of any reasoning. Your brain is stupid, miswired and understands everything the hallucinating way. You only imagine things. You are a stupid clown, fit only for laughing.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I AM EXPOSING NOT ONLY THE EVIL GODS , EVIL RELIGION BUT ALSO EXPOSE THE HINDU SOCIETY WHOSE M/S HAPPY HINDU CLUB MEMBERS HOW DEAL WITH ME BY FILTHY WAY !!!!!
A STUPID FELLOW IS DEFENDING MANUWADI HAPPY HINDU WHO IS NO MORE !!!!!
THE HINDU GODS , HINDUISM AND HINDU SOCIETY IS NOT AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
THE HINDU GODS , HINDUISM AND HINDU SOCIETY IS PRO RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
I REPRODUCED THE REFERENCES IN ENGLISH IN SUPPORT TO ESTABLISH THAT THE HINDU GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS . I EVEN SUPPLIED THE ON LINE LINKS OF THE 4 VEDAS , 18 PURANAS , RAMAYANA . HE WERE ALL KNOW THE ENGLISH AND WE CAN NOT DISCUSS IN SANSKRIT .
YOU MAY TELL US WHICH REFERENCE IS NOT IN THESE HINDU SCRIPTURES .
THESE ISSUES AGAIN AND AGAIN ARISE TO WASTE THE TIME OF THE VIEWERS AND SPACE OF THE BLOG !
YOU SAID ,” Ask him to file a case and come to court. Enough of his stupid nonsense. ” YOU SHOULD FILE CASE . I DO NOT NEED TO FILE CASE AGAINST ANY BODY . I NEVER FILED ANY COURT CASE OR FIR AGAINST ANY ONE .
I AM EXPOSING NOT ONLY THE EVIL GODS , EVIL RELIGION BUT ALSO EXPOSE THE HINDU SOCIETY WHOSE M/S HAPPY HINDU CLUB MEMBERS HOW DEAL WITH ME BY FILTHY WAY !!!!!
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 8:51 am
Mr. Happy Hindu once claimed that he is against the rapeism , raceism and fascism EXCEPT Chumber .
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Stupidity means a person will keep repeating the same thing even if it has been explained a thousand times before.
All sane people in this whole world are against rapism, racism and fascism. Chumber is the one who is claiming to be fighting against it by linking all that nonsense stuff to hindusim.
Chumber is a dumhead who cannot produce one single verse from any sanskrit literature to prove his allegations. But he continues to allege. Ask him to file a case and come to court. Enough of his stupid nonsense.
ToAStupidFellow said
THE HINDU GODS , HINDUISM AND HINDU SOCIETY IS PRO RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
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Prove it. Don’t allege.
I REPRODUCED THE REFERENCES IN ENGLISH IN SUPPORT TO ESTABLISH THAT THE HINDU GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS . I EVEN SUPPLIED THE ON LINE LINKS OF THE 4 VEDAS , 18 PURANAS , RAMAYANA . HE WERE ALL KNOW THE ENGLISH AND WE CAN NOT DISCUSS IN SANSKRIT .
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Mr.Idiot, You did not provide a single verse in sanskrit to prove your allegations. You just posted some link and claimed all sorts of rubbish. I told you i will provide the translation. You just provide the verses to prove your allegations.
YOU MAY TELL US WHICH REFERENCE IS NOT IN THESE HINDU SCRIPTURES .
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You have to provide verses from hindu scriptures to prove your allegations.
THESE ISSUES AGAIN AND AGAIN ARISE TO WASTE THE TIME OF THE VIEWERS AND SPACE OF THE BLOG !
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You think you are not wasting space, posting all your stupid rubbish. Ofcourse you think you are a great (stupid) states-man inside your dumb head.
YOU SAID ,” Ask him to file a case and come to court. Enough of his stupid nonsense. ” YOU SHOULD FILE CASE . I DO NOT NEED TO FILE CASE AGAINST ANY BODY . I NEVER FILED ANY COURT CASE OR FIR AGAINST ANY ONE .
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You are a plain coward and a blatant liar. You have a khalistan background, and a tada case. You do not dare go to the police. If you are a man, go file a case right now. Or consider yourself a loony and a disgrace to your allegations.
I AM EXPOSING NOT ONLY THE EVIL GODS , EVIL RELIGION BUT ALSO EXPOSE THE HINDU SOCIETY WHOSE M/S HAPPY HINDU CLUB MEMBERS HOW DEAL WITH ME BY FILTHY WAY !!!!!
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Provide the verses to prove why gods are evil, provide verses to prove rapism, racism and fascism, you are a filthy useless fool making baseless allegations, you are filth and need to be treated as filth, the filthy way.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber-ji,
Please look at what the other person said: “All sane people in this whole world are against rapism, racism and fascism.”.
When you make your statement, its as if you are saying “A DOG HAS FOUR LEGS”. All of us know that a dog has four legs. You do not have to EXPOSE that a dog has four legs. No investigation is called for.
You must admit that you do not sound very wise, when you say the same thing again and again, again and again, again and agai..
C . L . CHUMBER said
I APPRECIATE MR. SHUKRA CHARYA FOR MY STAND “Second , the dalits are not part of the Hindu society..”.
HE ALSO SUGGESTED TO ME ” But you may have to make a case with the Dalit community at large.”
OUR FARFATHERS ALREADY STARTED ADI-MOVEMENTS IN GREATER PUNJAB , U.P. , KARNATKA , MAHARASHTRA , ANDHRA PARDESH , TAMIL NADU BENGAL AND IN THE REST OF INDIA SINCE 1925 A.D.
HE AGAIN WROTE , ” We don’t think they want to be at war with Hindus or Hinduism or India.” THE DALITS NEVER BTRAYED INDIA . OUR WAR IS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS !
HE WROTE , ” You could make a start by standing in elections, making this your stand – and winning.” IN THE ELECTIONS , WE CAN NOT RISE RELIGIOUS ISSUES .
Sukra Charya said
July 31, 2009 @ 2:31 am
“Second , the dalits are not part of the Hindu society..”.
I understand your sentiments. But you may have to make a case with the Dalit community at large. We don’t think they want to be at war with Hindus or Hinduism or India. You could make a start by standing in elections, making this your stand – and winning.
Sukra Charya said
“OUR WAR IS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS !”.
“IN THE ELECTIONS , WE CAN NOT RISE RELIGIOUS ISSUES ..”.
Chumber-ji,
If your intention is truly Human Rights, then you should make a case for it. Not bring religion INTO THIS FORUM either. Which is what we have telling you all along.
From today, no references to Rapist etc. Do we have a deal?
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I am curious though when you mention “Human Rights”. Which particular HUMAN RIGHTS have dalits been denied? I mean after 1947.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PARLIAMENT PASSES LANDMARK RIGHT TO EDUCATION BILL !
PTI 4 August 2009, 08:09pm IST
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NEW DELHI: Children would get the fundamental right to free and compulsory education with the passage of a bill, hailed as “historic”, by Parliament
on Tuesday.
The Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Bill, 2008, seeks to provide education to children aged between 6 to 14 years.
The Bill, one of the flagship programmes in the 100-day agenda of the UPA government, also earmarks 25 per cent seats to weaker sections in private schools.
While the Rajya Sabha okayed the bill earlier, the Lok Sabha putting its seal of approval on Tuesday, with HRD minister Kapil Sibal describing it as “harbinger of a new era” for children to meet the challenges of the 21st century.
He said the bill is a “historic opportunity” for providing better future to children of the country as there was never such a landmark legislation in the last 62 years since independence.
“We as a nation cannot afford our children not going to schools,” he asserted, noting that the measure details the obligations of the Centre and the states for providing free and compulsory education to children.
COURTESY : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Parliament-passes-landmark-Right-to-Education-Bill/articleshow/4857243.cms
Sukra Charya said
Let us not forget who started this…
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The Tribune
Tuesday, November 11, 2003, Chandigarh, India
PROTECT RIGHTS OF POOR CHILDREN, says PM
Mr Vajpayee said that India had taken a revolutionary step by making free and compulsory education a fundamental right of all children between 6 to 14 years of age.
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.. And that was in 2003 ! When Mr.Vajpayee was still the PM.
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear ” ToAStupidFellow ” ,
First of all , you please write you name . Second , you are always using derogatory language . Why ? This type of your language may create legal troubles for you .
Please be gentle .
ToAStupidFellow said
August 4, 2009 @ 6:25 pm
THE HINDU GODS , HINDUISM AND HINDU SOCIETY IS PRO RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
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Prove it. Don’t allege
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear ” ToAStupidFellow ” ,
You please go to the mentale hospital and get checked yourself . When Mr. Chumber reproduced Mr. Rajashekar`s threatening to kill him , you again asked ” Did rajahshekar threaten to kill you? Show me in which post did he say that.”
What is the problem ? You are also using dirty language for others which you can not like for your self .
I also again reproduce the same threatening . What will you do then ?
C.L.CHUMBER said
August 3, 2009 @ 5:11 pm
PLEASE READ WHO IS THREATENING TO KILL ME !!!!!
ToAStupidFellow said
July 31, 2009 @ 8:47 am
Chumber,
Who is threatening to kill you? You have many imaginary hallucinations. You think you are worth being killed, you think are so important, etc. You are only fit to be laughed at like a clown in a circus. It is you who has been threatning to shoot people.
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 30, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
MR. RAJASHEKAR CONFESSED TO MR. R.K.SHARMA THAT HE THREATENED ME TO KILL ME MERCIFULLY IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
WHY HE WAS IN FRUSTRATION ? ? ? ? ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
Reply
ToAStupidFellow said
August 4, 2009 @ 6:29 pm
PLEASE READ WHO IS THREATENING TO KILL ME !!!!!
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Chumber,
Did rajahshekar threaten to kill you? Show me in which post did he say that.
I think you are stupid and incapable of any reasoning. Your brain is stupid, miswired and understands everything the hallucinating way. You only imagine things. You are a stupid clown, fit only for laughing.
ToAStupidFellow said
Why don;t you just provide the post where rajahsekhar threatened to kill chumber?
I am only calling chumber (and his aliases ram karishan sharma and anita gupta) and his mullah supporter (kumarpushp) as stupid.
The court will call chumber a mad mad and send him to mental hospital.
Instead of talking about legal troubles to others, why don’t you just go ahead and file a case?
DUKHI INDIA said
I studied this blog that some people are evils but the administrators of https://dalitnation.wordpress.com are doing nothing .
Mr. Chumber should quit this blog .
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
ToAStupidFellow said
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG.
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Rajahsekher wrote you should bse sent to the gallows. Did he write he wants to kill you?
Chumber, you are a dumb idiot incapable of comprehending anything properly. So you imagined that rajasekhar threatend to kill you. You only want cheap publicity. You are the type that can drink poison to get publicity. Don;t try your “twisting” of words and stupid stunts on people who can handle you well.
If you are so peeved, then GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
ToAStupidFellow said
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG.
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Rajahsekhar wrote you should be sent to gallows. He did not write he wants to kill you.
You are stupid fellow incapable of simple comprehension, that is why you are twisting his words although he offered an explantion.
You are the type that can drink poison for cheap for cheap publicity, and cheap publicity is ALL that you want.
If you are so peeved, then GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW against rajahsekhar and everyone on this blog who abused you.
When the police writes the case report, mention the name of this blog and all the names and handle names of people who you claim to have abused you.
Prove it in court that you do not have a khalistan background, Prove that you genuinely care for the poor. Prove that religion / caste is not just an excuse for you for your nefarious designs, Prove that you did not abuse others.
Chumber, obviously if you go to the police, you know what will happen, You will be investigated first. So you do not dare to go to the police. You are just a cheapskate coward.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHY DO I QUIT THIS BLOG OR DIALOGUE ON THE ISSUE OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ?
I AM A WINNER !
THE LOOSERS ARE ABUSING ME !
DUKHI INDIA said
August 6, 2009 @ 7:42 am
I studied this blog that some people are evils but the administrators of https://dalitnation.wordpress.com are doing nothing .
Mr. Chumber should quit this blog .
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear ” A Stupid Fellow “,
You are a nuisance . Please take care of your health .
ToAStupidFellow said
August 7, 2009 @ 1:35 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
I MAY BE OR MAY NOT BE VERY WISE . THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE IT .
BUT IT IS SHURE THAT YOU ARE NOT AN ETHICAL PERSON .
WHY DO THE HINDUS REPEAT THE SAME PRAYER DAILY ?
AS LONG AS THE THE HINDU TEMPLES WHICH ARE THE FOCAL POINTS OF THE EVILS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS , ARE NOT BANNED LEGALLY , THE FIGHT WILL BE CONTINUED TILL THE GOAL IS ACHIEVED !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
August 4, 2009 @ 11:12 am
Chumber-ji,
You must admit that you do not sound very wise, when you say the same thing again and again, again and again, again and agai..
hh said
Stupid Chumber,
I wish that NOBODY should talk to you or reply to your cowardice anymore.
Just GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW. We will talk in court.
Shukra Charya,
Please get this guy to file a case in court. No use going on talking to him. He is a total fraud case and a loony who needs to be brought to the book.
Sukra Charya said
“I MAY BE OR MAY NOT BE VERY WISE . THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE IT.”.
They, the people, already have.
“.. THE FIGHT WILL BE CONTINUED TILL THE GOAL IS ACHIEVED !!!!!”.
Sure, go ahead. Timur, Mohammed of Ghazni, the Moghuls – they have all come and gone. The white-skinned barbarians from Europe also came and went. We will overcome all invaders from outside and the traitors within.
We are determined to build a society where there is no discrimination. We will build a society where a individuals’s fundamental rights are respected and preserved. Our strength is in our diversity.
We will not discriminate on the basis of sex or gender; nor on color of skin; nor on age nor on community or religious affiliation. There will be no discrimination on the weak and the poor.
We will not punish a child because his father is thief; we will not punish a child because his mother is wayward; we will not discriminate against a person because some ancestor of his committed a crime, many generations ago.
Till yesterday, we were satisfied with defeating those who invaded us. We never invaded the lands of our invaders. From today, that equation has changed. To all those would-be invaders, who wish to impose their politics or religious practices, HERE IS A PROMISE: we WILL invade your lands and destroy it in as many ways as possible.
And here is a corollary: For those on this forum, who represent the views of alien nations/idealogies, the same fate awaits you. And that too, is a promise.
C.L.CHUMBER said
A gripping biography of Rash Bihari Bose
By Manju Gupta
Bose of Nakamuraya: An Indian Revolutionary in Japan, Takeshi Nakajima: Promilla & Co. Publishers, Pp 323, Rs 700.00
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT A STUPID PERSON ?
THE ABUSERS ARE ALWAYS MENTALLY SICK PERSONS !
hh said
August 18, 2009 @ 6:49 am
Stupid Chumber,
I wish that NOBODY should talk to you or reply to your cowardice anymore.
hh said
If you are not a stupid khalistan sponsored khaali-sthani loony shouting nonsense all the time, then GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW. Let the court decide if you are a mental retard or not. Don’t waste time by posting trash.
hh said
You can get ‘proof’ in court. Just come to court and talk.
Only a madman like you can hallucinate that an abuser like you is not an abuser.
If you are not a super coward, then GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THIS NEWS AGAIN EXPOSES THE RULERS .
THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT IS A BIG HELPING HAND FOR AAM ADAMI ( LAYPERSON ) .
A Tribune Exclusive
MEA protecting individuals with criminal past: CIC
Girja Shankar Kaura
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, August 24
Ministry of External Affairs has come under severe criticism from the Central Information Commission (CIC) for trying to avoid sharing information regarding a red corner alert issued by the Interpol in regard to two Indian nationals and protecting them from being prosecuted.
The condemnation came from Information Commissioner Annapurna Dixit as the MEA refused provide information on an application filed by one Ashwini Kumar Shrivastava saying that, “disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with a foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence”.
While allowing the appeal, the Commission has also directed the CPIO of the ministry to provide complete information to the Appellant by September 15, under intimation to the Commission.
Shrivastava had sought to know from the MEA whether any red alert notice by Interpol and international arrest warrants was ever issued by German Judicial Authorities against Ashok Kumar Chauhan and Arun Kumar Chauhan, Directors of Amity International, Ghaziabad, UP.
He also wanted to know if the red corner alert had been issued and there were international arrest warrants against them, then whether the notice was served upon them (individually or both), what were the arrest warrants in regard to and what action had been taken by the government?
The MEA received the request in June last year and since then it travelled to Legal Cell of Ministry of Home Affairs and back to the MEA, but without any answers.
Incidentally, the Legal Cell of the MHA informed the appellant that requests for extradition (Execution of arrest warrant) under various Extradition Treaties was administered by the Ministry of External Affairs while red corner notices were dealt by the AD (Interpol), CBI and the requisite information may be available with these agencies.
In the meantime, the MEA responded to the transferred request from the Legal Cell of MHA in July last year denying the information under provisions of Section 8 (1) (a) of the RTI ACT, 2005.
The denial from the MEA came despite information sought having already been made public in the Rajya Sabha in reply to a question.
The then Minister of State in the Ministry of External Affairs E. Ahmed had responded to the question admitting the issuance of such red corner notice and international arrest warrants giving the numbers of the red corner notices as 453/1990 and 459/1998.
The minister also stated that the Embassy of Federal Republic of Germany in India had requested for legal assistance in serving documents/extradition of Ashok Kumar Chauhan and Arun Kumar Chauhan and that as per Article 6 of the Extradition Treaty between the Republic of India and the Federal Republic of Germany neither of the Contracting States shall be bound to extradite its own nationals.
However, as per the same article, criminal prosecution may be effected, in India. Therefore, Ministry of Home Affairs, which is the nodal Ministry in such matters have been requested to proceed in accordance with law, he said.
The appellant finally moved the CIC and Information Commissioner Annapurna Dixit kept the date for first hearing for June 15 last. During the hearing, the appellant repeated his arguments and contended that the information regarding the two Directors was already in the public domain with several newspapers and magazines having covered the story, besides the question in Parliament.
The commission while allowing the appeal has pointed out that denial of information suggests corruption and the collusion of various officials in hushing up the case and has sought to know how the disclosure of information about the issuance of red corner notice by Interpol would harm the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the country. “It is therefore the view of the Commission that the provisions of the Section 8 (1) (a) of the RTI Act 2005 are not attracted in this case since disclosure of information as sought by the Appellant in this case, is not likely to in anyway prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, nor can the disclosure of such information lead to any breach of security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, in relation with a foreign State,” Dixit said while allowing the appeal.
“The subject matter sought in the RTI request being related to a case of alleged fraud by two Indians mentioned hereinabove, and involving millions of Dollars, the possibility of corruption taking place at various levels in an effort to save the two individuals from being prosecuted as per the laws of this country, as alleged by the appellant, certainly cannot be ruled out,” she added.
In fact disclosure of such information will only be beneficial in boosting the integrity of Indian judicial system in the international scenario as also lead to transparency about such matters of international consequence. Hence it is in the larger public interest that such information should be made available to the public to promote the faith of people of not only India but also of the world on the Indian judicial system, she said.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090825/main7.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. JASWANT SINGH EXPELLED BJP STALWART WILL VISIT PAKISTAN TO PROMOTE HIS BOOK ON MOHAMMAD ALI JINNAH .
I THINK THIS BOOK WILL CREATE UNDERSTANDING AMONG THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT .
THE INTELLECTUALS MUST ASSERT LIKE MR. JASWANT SINGH .
WHEN I WAS TYPING , THE COURIER CO.`S EMPLOYEES HANDED OVER ME A PARCEL . I AM VERY ASTONISHED TO RECEIVE MR. JASWANT SINGH`S THIS CONTROVERSIAL BOOK GIFTED MY SON DOING JOB AT DELHI !
I AM AGAIN ASTONISHED TO KNOW THAT MY SON PURCHASED THIS BOOK ON FRIDAY AND THIS IS A COPY OF THE ” THIRD IMPRESSION ” !!!!! IT CONFIRMS THAT THIS BOOK IS SELLING LIKE A HOT CAKE .
THIS IS A RECORD THAT THE THIRS IMPRESSION OF A BOOK PUBLISHED WITHIN A WEEK !!!!!
THIS BOOK IS PUBLISHED BY THE RENOWNED PUBLISHER M/S RUPA & CO. , 7/16 , ANSARI ROAD , DARYAGANJ , NEW DELHI -110002 AND ITS SALE CENTRES ALL OVER INDIA .www.rupapublications.com PRICE RS. 695 .PAGES 669 .
Jaswant Singh to promote his book in Pakistan this week
Wed, Aug 26 03:21 AM
Islamabad, Aug 26 (IANS) Expelled Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Jaswant Singh will visit Pakistan later this week to promote his controversial book on Pakistan’s founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the Online news agency reported.
Although Singh’s visit to Pakistan has not yet been made public, he may arrive here Friday, the report said.
Amar Singh invites Jaswant Singh to join Samajwadi Party
Sharad Yadav disapproves ban on Jaswant Singh’s book on Jinnah
The former Indian external affairs minister was expelled from the BJP last week for praising Jinnah in his book ‘Jinnah: India, Partition, Independence’, abruptly ending his three-decade-long membership with the party.
Singh will sign copies of the book at a bookstore in Islamabad before heading to Karachi at the weekend.
The organisers are keeping it secret at the moment as the visit has not yet been fully finalised. Invitations are being passed to Islamabad’s who’s who by word of mouth only, according to the report Tuesday.
The 600-page book, the first recent work by an Indian in praise of Pakistan’s founder, viewed as all the more significant because its author is a senior politician, it said.
The book is a top seller at ‘Mr. Books’ (in Islamabad), the only place in Pakistan where it is available, the report added.
The bookstore had ordered a couple of hundred copies of the book from India, and despite its high price tag of Pakistani Rs.1995 (about $24) – all are sold out, it said.
The owner of the bookstore was apologetic about the price but said he had incurred heavy costs transporting the books from India to Pakistan via Dubai.
There are only two weekly flights from Delhi to Lahore, and the quickest way to ship in the books was through a third country, the report said citing the owner. Another bookstore in Islamabad, Saeed Book Bank, said it was expecting a consignment of 500 copies soon.
Indo Asian News Service
Courtesy : http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090826/876/twl-jaswant-singh-to-promote-his-book-in.html
C.L.CHUMBER said
BUT THE ARYANS ARE YET TO RETURN TO THE CENTRAL ASIA !!!!!
Suukra Charya said
August 23, 2009 @ 2:22 am
“.. THE FIGHT WILL BE CONTINUED TILL THE GOAL IS ACHIEVED !!!!!”.
Sure, go ahead. Timur, Mohammed of Ghazni, the Moghuls – they have all come and gone. The white-skinned barbarians from Europe also came and went. We will overcome all invaders from outside and the traitors within.
Sukra Charya said
“BUT THE ARYANS ARE YET TO RETURN TO THE CENTRAL ASIA !!!!!..”.
Aryans exist in your mind, Chumber-ji. The only way thay can go to Central Asia, is if YOU go there.
C.L.CHUMBER said
JINNAH KINGPIN OF COMMUNALISM : CONG
Thu, Aug 27 05:55 AM
The Congress on Wednesday called Mohammed Ali Jinnah the “kingpin of communalism”. Reacting to former Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief K S Sudarshan’s remarks about the Pakistan founder being a nationalist and secular, the ruling party at the Centre accused the Sangh and the BJP of trying to become “secular by proxy” through such pronouncements.
Amar Singh invites Jaswant Singh to join Samajwadi Party
Sharad Yadav disapproves ban on Jaswant Singh’s book on Jinnah
“They are trying to become secular by proxy by terming Jinnah as secular. We reject and repudiate it in strong terms. If someone was the kingpin of communalism, it was Jinnah,” AICC spokesman Manish Tewari told reporters here.
“If you see the sequence of events from 1927 to 1946, you will find that if someone was responsible for the partition of the country, it was Jinnah and British colonialism,” Tewari said accusing the RSS of supporting colonialism and communalism.
Courtesy : http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20090827/814/tnl-jinnah-kingpin-of-communalism-cong.html
C.L.CHUMBER said
30 years ago in India Today
A bitter battle ahead (October 16-31, 1979)
It was, in a sense, the final and supreme irony.As the four top Janata Party leaders began their preliminary election forays around the country last fortnight, they were halted in their tracks.Jayaprakash Narayan, the man who had brought them all together by fostering a new political ideal for them, and who lay crushed by their betrayal,was eventually dead.The timing of JP’s death seemed symbolic: he passed away at the precise moment when the political party he had established single-handed was making a desperate bid to revive its fortunes.On the morning of JP’s death on October 8,Babu Jagjivan Ram , the Janata’s candidate for prime ministership, was beginning his tour of Sasaram,the impoverished and drought-stricken region in western Bihar that has been his parliamentary constituency since 1952.
—by Sunil Sethi and Arul Louis
Courtesy : http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_registration&task=home_30yearsinit&issueid=79&assignedid=5&home=1
C.L.CHUMBER said
THERE MUST BE RESERVATION FOR WOMEN BY BIRTH SCc , STs , OBCs AND MINORITIES .
THE EXPECTED WOMEN CANDIDATES MUST BE TRAINED ACCORDING TO THE PANCHAYAT RAJ ACT . AS WELL AS MUST BE TRAINED AGAINST THE CORRUPTION AND CORRUPT ELEMENTS IN THE PANCHAYATI RAJ .
THE WOMEN SHOULD BE TRAINED AGAINST DOWRY , INTOXICANTS AND OTHER SOCIAL EVILS , OTHERWISE THERE IS NEED TO BE RESERVATION ON CASTE OR GENDER BASE RESERVATION. THANKS .- C.L.CHUMBER
Cabinet appoves 50% reservation for women in panchayats
IANS 27 August 2009, 01:32pm IST
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NEW DELHI: The Union Cabinet on Thursday decided to reserve 50 percent of the seats in all rural panchayats for women and a bill to this effect
is expected to be introduced in the winter session of Parliament.
“The Cabinet has approved the amendment of Article 243 D of the constitution to reserve 50 percent of the total number of seats in panchayats filled by direct election for women,” information and broadcasting minister Ambika Soni told reporters here after a Cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
A proposed legislation for the purpose is expected to come up in the winter session of Parliament, officials sources said.
A bill to reserve 33 percent seats for women in Parliament and state assemblies is pending and could not be passed because of opposition from several regional parties.
Courtesy : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Cabinet-appoves-50-reservation-for-women-in-panchayats/articleshow/4940362.cms
C.L.CHUMBER said
please read as below.
C.L.CHUMBER said
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August 27, 2009 @ 11:52 am
THE WOMEN SHOULD BE TRAINED AGAINST DOWRY , INTOXICANTS AND OTHER SOCIAL EVILS , OTHERWISE THERE IS no NEED TO BE RESERVATION ON CASTE OR GENDER BASE . THANKS .- C.L.CHUMBER
C.L.CHUMBER said
ACTUALLY , THIS DEMAND WAS RAISED BY MYSELF AS NATIONAL SPOKESMAN , THE SAHIB KANSHI RAM BACHAAO SANGHARSH COMMITTEE IN REGIONAL NEWS PAPERS WITH THE NEWS OF SAHIB`S MOTHER`S DEATH .- C.L.CHUMBER
KIN WANT KANSHI RAM TO PERFORM LAST RITES OF MOTHER .
( THE TRIBUNE , CHANDIGARH DATED 23RD DECEMBER , 2005 )
Tribune News Service
Ropar, December 22
Family members of senior BSP leader Kanshi Ram decided not to cremate body of his mother Bishan Kaur, till he was brought here to perform funeral rites, by BSP chief Mayawati. Accompanied by Mr Kanshi Ram supporters from different parts of the state they blocked traffic on the national highway-21 near Khawaspura village for an hour demand that government should interfere to bring Kanshi Ram here in the afternoon.
They staged dharna along the national highway in the evening and decided to continue it round the clock.
Earlier the president of the Punjab Pardesh Congress Committee, (PPCC), Shamsher Singh Dullo, who reached here to meet Mr Kanshi Ram family members in Bunga Sahib village supported the protest. Ms Mayawati should bring here Kanshi Ram so that the elder son could perform the rites. Mr Kanshi Ram is political leader and his family deserves justice” said Mr Dullo talking to The Tribune.
Ms Mayawati should understand feeling of Mr Kanshi Ram supporters, Mr Dullo added.
Mr Dalwara Singh, a brother of Mr Kanshi Ram said that despite a fax message sent to Ms Mayawati, we did not get any response. Only my elder brother Mr Kanshi Ram will perform the rites. We have decided not to cremate the body till he arrived here, he added.
Situation became tense in the evening when leaders of the various organisations staged dharna and threatened to block road again.
The police was deployed in Khawaspura village to control the situation.
COURTESY : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051223/punjab1.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
ONE DAY THE ARYANS WILL BE IN THE ASHES !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
August 31, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
“BUT THE ARYANS ARE YET TO RETURN TO THE CENTRAL ASIA !!!!!..-C.L.CHUMBER
Aryans exist in your mind, Chumber-ji. The only way thay can go to Central Asia, is if YOU go there.
Sukra Charya said
Yes, Chumber-ji.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
That’s true for all us, including you.
C.L.CHUMBER said
TAJ BUILDERS USED HARAPPAN MEASUREMENT UNITS !!!!!
BY K. S. Jayaraman
LINK : Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090906/spectrum/main4.htm
Sukra Charya said
Thank you, Chumber-ji.
I am reproducing a part of the article.
“The study by R. Balasubramaniam of the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur, has for the first time shown that the unit of length called angulam — mentioned in Kautilya’s treatise Arthasastra dated 300 BC — was used without a break by Indian builders for over 3,900 years until the British imposed their units in the 18th century.”.
Mr.Chumber, apparently, THAT is a product of Hindu science and technology.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR EVER TO THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSER CLUB !
I AS WELL AS THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com ARE READY TO PUT OVER CASE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT .
YOU ARE THREATENING US FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR BUT YOU NEVER FILED CASE IN THE COURT .
YOU SO MANY TIMES WROTE THAT YOU DID NOT HONOUR THE SUPREME COURT`S JUDGEMENT ON ” IDIOT ” .
FIRST OF ALL , THE COURT WILL ASK YOU AND WILL SEND YOU IN THE JAIL FOR DISOBEYING THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT .
PLEASE DO NOT BARK BY ABUSING US FREEQUENTLY . WHENEVER WE WILL MEET IN THE COURT PREMISES , THE PEOPLE WILL DEFACE YOU AS YOU WROTE THAT VALMIKI , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS WITHOUT ANY PROOF .
WE ARE READY FOR LEGAL BATTLE !
C.L.CHUMBER said
S. DAYAL SINGH MAJITHIA FOUNDED THE TRIBUNE BUT IT IS NOW DOMINATED BY THE HINDUS AND ARYA SAMAJISTS IN THE TRIBUNE TRUST .
ITS TRUST RUNS THREE DAILY NEWS PAPERS IN ENGLISH , HINDI , PUNJABI LANGUAGES .
DURING THE PUNJAB TURMOIL , ITS PUNJABI TRIBUNE WAS PRO-VIOLENT SIKHS AND ANOTHER TWO NEWS PAPERS WERE ANTI-VIOLENT SIKHS .
THE HINDUSTAN TIMES WAS ALSO STARTED BY A SIKH MASTER SUNDER SINGH LAYALPURI BUT MR. M.K. GANDHI , PANDIT MADAN MOHAN MALVIYA AND ITS EDITOR S. MANGAL SINGH GILL ( WHO RESIGNED AS TEHSILDAR TO BE ITS EDITOR ) MADE A COCPIRACY WHICH ULTIMATED IN ITS PROPRIETORSHIP TRANSFERRED TO THE BIRLA CAPITALISTS .
THIRD , THE PUNJABI NEWS PAPER THE AJIT , JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) WAS STARTED BY AN OBC S. SADHU SINGH HAMDARD . HE WROTE IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY ” YAAD BANI ITIHAAS ” MEANS ” MEMOIRS BECOME HISTORY ” THAT DR. AMBEDKAR HELPED THEM TO GET THE PAPER QUOTA ALLOTTED FOR THEIR NEWS PAPER . S. HAMDARD COMMITTED TO DR. AMBEDKAR TO COUNTER THE PUNJAB`S HINDU PRESS .
BUT S. HAMDARD FALL-IN-LOVE WITH AN AYAN KHATTARI STENO GIRL OF HIS OFFICE AND MARRIED HER AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS WIFE .THIS RESULTED IN THE ENTRY OF THE ARYAN KHATTRIS IN HIS TRUST WHICH DILUTED ITS POLICY . IT OPPOSED EVEN BSP AND APPRECIATES BJP . WHAT A TRAGEDY IN THE SIKH JOURNALISM .
Tributes paid to Dyal Singh Majithia
Tribune News Service
Karnal, September 9
Dyal Singh College, Karnal, observed the death anniversary of visionary educationalist and philanthropist Sardar Dyal Singh Majithia, the illustrious founder of the college.
Speaking on the occasion, chief guest JS Ahlawat, Karnal Deputy Commissioner, lauded the vision of Majithia, who founded reputed institutions like The Tribune Trust, Dyal Singh colleges and renowned educational institutions like Dyal Singh Public Library to disseminate knowledge among people.
Brig NK Bhandari (retd), General Manager of the Dyal Singh Trust Society, and Dr RS Khanchi, principal of the college, recalled the yeoman service rendered by Sardar Dyal Singh Majithia in social and educational sectors and said he would always be remembered as a great “social reformer”.
Courtesy :http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090910/haryana.htm#11
C.L.CHUMBER said
AMBEDKAR VS GANDHI
By Jyotirmaya Sharma
It would be tragic to speak of the Ambedkar-Gandhi relationship in the same breath as the Mulayam-Mayawati rivalry. For Ambedkar and Gandhi, politics was not a trivial activity, and public life was not about cynicism. Nothing in the modern political arena adequately captures their commitment to the people of India. Both of them struggled with the question of the place of an entity called Hinduism within the putative Indian nation. If India were not to be a Hindu nation, then were there ways in which Hinduism could live with other faiths as well as with a variety of its own strands?
Both wanted to fight caste and give Dalits in India their rightful place, yet differed in their solutions. Ambedkar came to the conclusion that Dalits had no place within Hinduism and any attempt to reform Hinduism would lead only to the eventual ‘Sanskritisation’ (imitating the upper castes) and their further enslavement. Gandhi felt that for Hinduism to survive as a humane faith, there was no alternative but to remove the taint of caste discrimination.
Removing untouchability, for Gandhi, was to be a collective act of self-purification on the part of the Hindus. Without a doctrinal shift and an emotional transformation, this act of self-purification would remain hollow. Ambedkar saw the futility of symbolic acts such as temple entry, and sought to empower Dalits politically and economically to pave the way for their emancipation.
For Ambedkar, caste was the very foundation of Hinduism, something that constituted an ‘ascending scale of reverence and a descending scale of contempt’. While Gandhi’s solution lay in emancipating the individual, Ambedkar swore allegiance to the fundamental principles of constitutionalism and citizenship. Gandhi felt that without a total transformation of the individual in favour of certain universal principles of morality, primordial identities and latent conflicts would forever remain unsolved.
Gandhi wanted to fashion Hinduism into a new faith for the future. Ambedkar chose Buddhism as a vehicle for Dalit emancipation because he found in it the most comprehensive models of dissent and egalitarianism. For him, Buddhism not only questioned the social and ritualistic basis of Hinduism, but also struck at the foundation of Hinduism—the existence of God. Gandhi refused to let go of God, but sought to find Him in the poorest of the poor in India.
While Gandhi rejected the entire modern western civilisation as satanic, modern western ideas played an important role in shaping Ambedkar’s thought. Ambedkar was driven by a sense of history of his people, while Gandhi saw historical memory as a curse that led only to bitterness.
Ambedkar stood up to the Mahatma, and refused to be smothered by Gandhi’s awesome reputation and mystique, yet never resorted to reducing the Mahatma to a stiff and formal ‘Mr Gandhi’ in the manner of a Jinnah. Gandhi reciprocated with unconcealed admiration for Ambedkar. They clashed, most famously during the days leading up to the Poona Pact of 1932, but never sought to convert their disagreements into personal mistrust.
The only way to understand either of them, beyond the cut and thrust of the politics of the time, is to see their differences as two rival versions of morality and two largely incompatible, yet legitimate, ideas of India.
Courtesy : http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@&contentType=EDITORIAL§ionName=TheWeek%20COVER%20STORY&programId=1073755753&contentId=5905756
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE THINK IT OVER :
IS THERE RECOGNITION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND THEIR ADI-GURUS E.G. VALMIK , NAMDEV , RAVIDS , KABIR , CHOKHA MELS , TUKA RAM , DHANNA , SAIN AND MANY MORE ADI-GURUS IN THE HINDUISM AND THE BUDDHISM ?
WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL AGENDA OF THESE BOTH RELIGIONS AND THE BOTH RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE ?
THE BOTH RELIGIONS / SOCIETIES RECOGNIZE THE STATUES / IDOLS WORSHIP OF THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS .
THE HINDUISM AND THE RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS ARE THE MAIN RELIGIOUS CAUSES OF THE SLAVERY OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AS IT DIVIDED THEM ON RELIGIOUS BASIS .
WHY NOT WE STRESS ON THE ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS .
WHY NOT WE AWAKEN OUR PEOPLE REGARDING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ?
WHY NOT WE START NON-RELIGIOUS AND NON-POLITICAL MOVEMENTS FOR THE ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ?
THE BAMCEF DIVIDED IN MANY PARTS BETRAYED ITS POLICY OF THE NON-RELIGIOUS AND NON-POLITICAL MOVEMENT .
SOME BAMCEF WEBSITES HIGHLIGHTS BUDDHA ONLY . SOME PEOPLE THE BAMCEF AS BELOW :
B – BUDDHIST
A – AMBEDKRITES `
M- MAHAR
C – CHAMAR
E- EMPLOYEES
F-FEDERATION .
THIS MEANS BAMCEF LOST ITS REAL PATH AS BELOW :
B- BACKWARD CLASSES ( SCs , STs , OBCs )
A-AND
M-MINORITY
C-COMMUNITIES
E- EMPLOYEES
F-FEDERATION .
Ms MAYAWATI AND MANUWADIS ALLIANCED NOT ONLY POLITICALLY BUT ALSO RELIGIOUSLY OPENLY .
THE BSP`S SLOGAN WAS ” BSP KI KYA PEHCHAN ? , NILA JHANDA , HATHI NISHAN .” BSP`S IDENTITY KNOWN BY THE BLUE FLAG AND THE ELEPHANT ELECTION SYMBOL !
BUT NOW THE BSP WORKERS ARE COMPELLED TO NEW SLOGAN ” HATHI NAHIN GANISH HAI , BRAHMA , VISHANU , GANESH HAI ” MEANS THE BSP`S ELEPHANT SYMBOL IS NOW HINDU GODS TO THESE GODS DR. AMBEDKAR DISCARDED ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956 !
DR. AMBEDKAR DID THE POONA PACT WITH GANDHI AND HIS HINDU CO. ON 24TH SEPTEMBER , 1932 TO BE HINDU WHEN HE TOLD THE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES 1930-1932 A.D. , THE SIMMON COMMISSION AND LOTHIAN COMMITTEE EARLIER THAT THE DALITS ARE NOT HINDUS .
DR. AMBEDKAR BETRAYED THE DALITS AND BAMCEF AND MAYAWATI BETRAYED BOTH DR. AMBEDKAR AND SAHIB KANSHI RAM .
DR. AMBEDKAR DENOUNCED THE POONA PACT IN HIS FAMOUS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ? ” HE WROTE MANY CHAPTERS BUT TWO ARE WORTH READING :
1. ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLES A SEPARATE ELEMENT ?
2. POONA PACT – A MEAN DEAL
DR. AMBEDKAR IN HIS MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY DEMANDED THE SEPARATE ELECTORATE WHICH WAS SNATCHED FROM THE DALITS BY GANDHI-AMBEDKAR PACT ( POONA PACT ) . SECOND , DR. AMBEDKAR DEMANDED SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS FOR THE DALITS / SCs . ACCORDING TO SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S SPEECH ON 6TH DEC. , 1996 AT AMBEDKAR CHOWK , JALANDHAR CITY , PUNJAB , DR. AMBEDKAR COULD NOT ACHIEVE THESE GOALS EVEN BEING THE LAW MINISTER AND CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTING COMMITTEE !
SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S MOVEMENT WAS TO NULLIFY THE POONA PACT SOCIALLY AND POLITICALLY . HE DECLARED IN HIS BOOK THE CHAMCHA AGE THAT THE POONA PACT CREATED CHAMCHAS AMONG THE SCs !
HE MADE HANDICAPS THE MASTERS OF THE SC CHAMCHAS POLITICALLY . BUT HIS OWN LIEUTENANTS BECAME THE CHAMCHAS OF THE HANDICAPPED GANDHIAN MASTERS WHICH RESULTED IN HIS UN-NATURAL DEATH .HE SACRIFICED HIS LIFE TO FINISH THE MASTERS OF THE CHAMCHAS . WE SALUTE HIM AND PLEDGE TO FOLLOW HIS PATH OF ” DO OR DIE ” !!!!!
ANITA GUPTA said
MR. HAPPY hINDU ,
You are not fit for dialogue as for as for the legal case . As I studied you , you are not rational . Now it is again established as you seek information from Mr. Chumber for filing case against him as below :
1) Your full name =-CORRECT
2) Your date of birth – NO NEED
3) Voter’id card number _ NO NEED
4) PAN number – NO NEED
5) Residential address _ CORRECT
6) Occupation and office address _ NO NEED
7) Names of family members _ NO NEED
8 ) Your annual income tax returns and proof of funding sources.- NO NEED
If you want to file case against Mr. Chumber or any other person , you complain to the police . It is their duty to find address of Mr. Chumber or any person .
hh said
September 16, 2009 @ 2:43 am
hh said
Anita Gupta,
1) If Chumber feels he has done nothing wrong, then he can surely provide the details without hesitation.
2) I am not the person filing the case. It is someone else.
3) Chumber should consider himself lucky that he will most likely be considered a madman by the court. The chances are high that he will be let off (or sent to a mental hospital). Chumber is merely a stepping stone for the bigger fishes. So it is better that he co-operates and provides the details without hesitation.
4) The details are merely to ensure that Chumber does not retract his statements or lie to save himself.
And most importantly – If you are not Chumber, you do not interfere in this matter.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. C. L . Chumber wrote a remarkable writing for which I congratulate him from the core of my heart . I appreciate his following points . He raised the right issues for which we Hindus , Buddhists and Ambedkrites have to answer properly to solve our problems related to the dalits .
C.L.CHUMBER said
September 11, 2009 @ 3:58 am
PLEASE THINK IT OVER :
IS THERE RECOGNITION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND THEIR ADI-GURUS E.G. VALMIK , NAMDEV , RAVIDS , KABIR , CHOKHA MELS , TUKA RAM , DHANNA , SAIN AND MANY MORE ADI-GURUS IN THE HINDUISM AND THE BUDDHISM ?
WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL AGENDA OF THESE BOTH RELIGIONS AND THE BOTH RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE ?
THE BOTH RELIGIONS / SOCIETIES RECOGNIZE THE STATUES / IDOLS WORSHIP OF THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS .
THE HINDUISM AND THE RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS ARE THE MAIN RELIGIOUS CAUSES OF THE SLAVERY OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AS IT DIVIDED THEM ON RELIGIOUS BASIS .
WHY NOT WE STRESS ON THE ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS .
WHY NOT WE AWAKEN OUR PEOPLE REGARDING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ?
vipin sharma said
kya chumber kya kya likha hai kuch kami hai kya dimag mein.aur aisa hai ki brahmin jaise bhi hai bahut achche hai aur jo hamari taraf dekhega woh jawab bhi payega.apne aap ko sambhal lo wo hi bahut hai apna ghar basa nahi dosre ko dekh rahe ho.
lc verma said
Dear all,
No point in indulging in this type of prattle as it wouldn’t take us anywhere.The need of the hour is that we should work together unitedly towards annihilation of casteism from the Indian soil to try to establish an egalitarian society based on the ideals embodied in our constitution i.e. liberty,equality and fraternity in all walks of life.
Regards,
lc verma
C . L . CHUMBER said
AGAR WOH NAHIN MANENGEY TO HAM UN SALON KO KIYON MANEYENGE JO HAM KO JANAM SE ABHI BI NEECH SAMJATEY NAIN ?
SHRIMAN VIPIN SHARMA JI ,
NAMASTEY .
KYA AAP KO ANGREZI NAHIN AATI HAI ? HAR JAAT , DHARAM , DESH MEIN ACHHE BURE HOTE HAIN ! HINDU DHARAM KI GANGOTARI HI AMAANVI HAI .YEH AADMI KO JANAM SE UCHA AUR NICHA SAMJATA HAI . KYA BRAMNON KO JANAM SE NICH KAHA JAYEY TO WOH MAAN JAYENGE ? AGAR WOH NAHIN MANENGEY TO HAM UN SALON KO KIYON MANEYENGE JO HAM KO JANAM SE ABHI BI NEECH SAMJATEY NAIN ?
AAP JO JAWAB DENA HAI WOH https://dalitnation.wordpress.com PAR LIKH KAR BHEJO .HAM AAP KE LIKHE KA SAMBHAL KAR JAWAAB DENGEY . HAMARA SANVIDHANIK GHAR BASA HAI JIS KO MANUWADION SE KHATRA HAI .
DESH KI AABHRU KHATREY MAIN HAI , HOSHIAR HO JAAO !!!!!
vipin sharma said
September 18, 2009 @ 3:30 pm
kya chumber kya kya likha hai kuch kami hai kya dimag mein.aur aisa hai ki brahmin jaise bhi hai bahut achche hai aur jo hamari taraf dekhega woh jawab bhi payega.apne aap ko sambhal lo wo hi bahut hai apna ghar basa nahi dosre ko dekh rahe ho.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WE ARE PRO CONSTITUTION AND NOT AGANIST ANY CASTE ,CREED , GENDER AND RELIGION .
WE ARE AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL liberty, equality and fraternity .
THE WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ARE ANTI-CONSTITUTION AND THE MAIN HURDLES IN ESTABLISHING THE EGALITARIAN SOCIETY .
c verma said
September 19, 2009 @ 6:22 am
Dear all,
No point in indulging in this type of prattle as it wouldn’t take us anywhere.The need of the hour is that we should work together unitedly towards annihilation of casteism from the Indian soil to try to establish an egalitarian society based on the ideals embodied in our constitution i.e. liberty,equality and fraternity in all walks of life.
Regards,
lc verma
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Prabhakara wrote ( September 28, 2009 @ 9:32 am ) as below –
” Bramhins destroyed Deavidian Indus civilization” is an intersting proposition which implies several things like
1. There were only Dalits in Indus civilization
2.Bramhins were much stronger than dalits
3. Chanakya came to India along with other Bramhins several centuries before he was born in the present day Bihar or the Magdha of the olden days.
I am sure Dalit Nation will have some research conducted on these and other related important issues and establish history on a firm foundation and establish the role of Dalits and Bramhins in Indus valley civilisation. ”
I hereby reproduce the complete writing under the title ” Brahmins destroyed the dravidian Indus valley civilisation ” as below –
” We dalits had created the greatest civilization on earth in Harappa and Mohenjadaro. The Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this. But out historians don’t even talk about this. We have the living proof of harappa and mohenjadaro in pakistan. My heart bleeds when I see those ruins. How cruel the brahmins are. This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization. We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
LET US NOW DISCUSS :
1 . The https://dalitnation.wordpress.com wrote dalits in a broader sense for the aboriginal Indians .
2. The dalitnation.wordpress.wrote ,” Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this.”
Mr. Parbhakra wrote ,” Bramhins were much stronger than dalits .” The Brahmins were not much stronger than dalits / aboriginal Indians . They won by hook and crook which is recorded in their scriptures .
3 Mr. Parbhakra wrote.,” Chanakya came to India along with other Bramhins several centuries before he was born in the present day Bihar or the Magdha of the olden days.”
The dalitnation.wordpress wrote ,” We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
The dalitnation.wordpress cautioned the aboriginal Indians to ” identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra .” I recently saw a book published on Chankya as management guru by the association of the Indian Industrialists !
The dalitnation.wordpress again cautioned ” used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization .” It means the readers of the Chankya`s Arathshatra are of destructive nature and they always use to destroy the socio-economic status of the dalits / aboriginal Indians . And it sum up as ” Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
As you know very well , we are fighting against the fascist , rapist and racist Gods and their evil present followers . The Korean legislature passed a bill against the racism .An Indian professor Bonojit Hussain ( 28 , Assam ) addressed the South Korean National Assembly at this time .
I am really happy to read and inform this constitutional achievement in South Korea .
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN THE INDIAN PARLIAMENT WILL PASS BILL AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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APPLAUSE FOR INDIAN VOICE TO ANTI-RACISM BILL IN SOUTH KOREA .
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com//artMailDisp.aspx?article=01_10_2009_011_013&typ=1&pub=722
C . L . CHUMBER said
* THE SANSKRIT LANGUAGE IS NOT AN INDO-ARYAN LANGUAGE .
* IT IS INDIAN LANGUAGE OF THE ABORIGINALS .
* THE INDO-ARYANS POSESSED OUR LAND AND LANGUAGE !!!!!
* THEY KILLED OUR INTELLECTUALS AND DESTROYED THEIR LITERATURE !!!!!
hh said
September 30, 2009 @ 2:44 am
Chumber,
Chirinjiv (chiranjeev) is a Sanskrit for long-lived or immortal. The term is hindu, of hindu origins.
MY COMMENTS : THIS IS A NATURAL NAME NOT RELIGIOUS NAME .
(2) Why are you having a hindu name, that too in an Indo-Aryan language?
MY COMMENTS : THE HINDU TERMINOLOGY IS A PERSIAN NOT SANSKRIT .THE HINDU MEANS BLACK AND THEIF IN PERSIAN LANGUAGE .
HURRAY ! YOU ADMITTED THAT THE ARYANS ARE FOREIGNERS .
THE SANSKRIT LANGUAGE IS NOT AN INDO-ARYAN LANGUAGE . IT IS INDIAN LANGUAGE OF THE ABORIGINALS . BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA , PRESIDENT , THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL CLAIMED THAT THE SANSKRIT IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS WHEN HE WAS WITTNESING BEFORE THE LOTHIAN / FRANCHISE COMMITTEE AT LAHORE IN APRIL , 1932.
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AND WAS PRESENT AT THAT TIME .
THE MUGALS , FRENCH , DUTCHES , ARABS ,PURTGESE AND BRITISHERS BROUGHT THE LANGUAGES OF THIR COUNTRIES . BUT THE INDO-ARYANS DID NOT BRING THEIR COUNTRY / COUNTRIES`LANGUAGE AS THE SANSKRIT IS NOT A LANGUAGE OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY EXCEPT OUR INDIA !!!!!
THE INDO-ARYANS POSESSED OUR LAND AND LANGUAGE !!!!!
THEY KILLED OUR INTELLECTUALS AND DESTROYED THEIR LITERATURE !!!!!
( 3 ) Anyways, you provide the details asked from you and do ask dalitnation to publish its contact details.
MY COMMENTS : I ALSO WANT TO SUIT AGAINST YOU . YOU SEND ME THE SAME ABOUT YOUR GOODSELF SO THAT WE MAY MEET IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT REGARDING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR EVILS !
ANITA GUPTA said
Mr. Happy Hindu ,
You are a mad person who declares others mads . You always abuse others without any reasons . Please go to the hospital for your treatment .
hh said
September 24, 2009 @ 7:29 am
Anita Gupta,
hh said
Anita Gupta Alias Chumber,
Instead of just braking, just provide the details asked from you.
Come to court and prove you are not mad. I challenge you that your own lawyer will prove you as mad to protect you from a jail term.
Come to court and prove that you genuinely care for the downtrodden.
Come to court and prove that you are not an eye-wash, just abusing religion as an excuse for your seditious activities.
Come to court and prove that you do not have Khalistan links.
Come to court and prove that your intensions are not sedition.
ANITA GUPTA said
WE ARE AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL liberty, equality and fraternity .
Dear Mr. Chumber ,
You are clear in your vision . I appreciate you and this blog for yours bold stands . Your both are two sides of a coin . I am with you whatever may come as I love the truth nothing else . No one can perish the truth as the truth is omnipresent and never dies . I also love you and sends warm regards to your family members especially your wife .
C . L . CHUMBER said
September 23, 2009 @ 7:15 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ARYANS ARE WORST EVER PEOPLE IN THE UNIVERSE .
IN THE MODERN PERIOD , MR. ADOLF HITLOR AND MR. M.K. GANDHI WERE THE LEADERS OF THE ARYANS .ONE WAS VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST AND THE OTHER WAS NON-VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST . ONE COMMITTED SUISIDE AND THE OTHER WAS KILLED BY THE ANOTHER VIOLENT INDO-ARYAN TERRORIST .
WE HATE THE INDO-ARYANS WHO HATE AND DIVIDED THE HUMANITY !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
September 8, 2009 @ 6:52 am
ONE DAY THE ARYANS WILL BE IN THE ASHES !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
August 31, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
“BUT THE ARYANS ARE YET TO RETURN TO THE CENTRAL ASIA !!!!!..-C.L.CHUMBER
Aryans exist in your mind, Chumber-ji. The only way thay can go to Central Asia, is if YOU go there.
Reply
Sukra Charya said
September 10, 2009 @ 1:10 am
Yes, Chumber-ji.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
That’s true for all us, including you.
hh said
THE ARYANS ARE WORST EVER PEOPLE IN THE UNIVERSE .
IN THE MODERN PERIOD , MR. ADOLF HITLOR AND MR. M.K. GANDHI WERE THE LEADERS OF THE ARYANS .ONE WAS VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST AND THE OTHER WAS NON-VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST . ONE COMMITTED SUISIDE AND THE OTHER WAS KILLED BY THE ANOTHER VIOLENT INDO-ARYAN TERRORIST .
WE HATE THE INDO-ARYANS WHO HATE AND DIVIDED THE HUMANITY !!!!!
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Great Chumber, So according to you MK Gandhi was a political terrorist. Wonderful. Come to court and prove it.
If you hate “aryans”, you must hate yourself.
If you hate “aryans”, then why do you shamelessly keep a name called Chiranjiv in an indo-aryan language Sanskrit? Go change your name first.
C . L . CHUMBER said
NOTABLY . THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NDA AND THE UPA GOVERNMENTS AT THE CENTRE AND STATES ON THE ISSUE OF ILLIMINATING MILITANT POORS INSTEAD OF THE POVERTY !!!!!
Tackling Naxalism
PC earns RSS praise
Rahul’s visits to rural areas appreciated
Sanjay Singh
Tribune News Service
Patna, October 11
Union Home Minister P Chidamabaram’s tough words against the Naxals have found support from unusual quarters. The Rashtriaya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) was all praise for the Home Minister for his announcement to tackle Naxal violence with an iron hand.
Talking to mediapersons on the concluding day of the three-day national working committee meeting of the Sangh Parivaar at Rajgir (110 km from Patna) today, national spokesman (Akhil Bharatiya Pracharak Pramukh) of the RSS Madan Das Devi appreciated the steps taken by the UPA government at the Centre, particularly by Chidambaram, to deal with the growing menace of the Naxals.
In the views of the RSS, the Naxals, in the name of fighting a people’s war, had actually waged a war against the state and its people. It was high time the government (the state as well as the Centre) realised the threat and dealt with them sternly. Devi appreciated the efforts of Chidamabaram to deal with the problem by visiting the Naxal-affected areas and assuring required support to the state governments to fight the menace.
Contrary to the criticism of the BJP on Rahul Gandhi’s visits to the villages and spending time with the poor and the downtrodden, the RSS was all praise for the Congress general secretary for his visits to rural areas. “Every Indian should go to the villages and understand the problems being faced by the people living there,” said Mohan Vaidya asenior RSS leader.
However, the RSS, considered to be the ideological mentor of the BJP was critical of the UPA government at the Centre for its policies on the country’s defence and foreign policy. The national convention of the RSS at Rajgir passed a resolution expressing concern over the security of India’s borders, particularly the Indo-China and the Indo-Pakistan borders.
The resolution said China had violated the Line of Actual Control more than 200 times and it was actively engaged in its efforts to encircle India with the help of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Calling the Centre’s response to the “muscle flexing” by China as “muted”, the RSS warned that it could demoralise the nation. The resolution also deplored the attempted “dialogue resumption” with Pakistan in the aftermath of Mumbai terror attacks.
Notably, the RSS was equally critical of the BJP on the security of Indian borders and said it found no difference between the NDA and the UPA governments at the Centre on security front.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091012/nation.htm#6
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE RSS IS ANTI-EDUCATION AS WELL AS ANTI EDUCATIONIZATION OF THE MUSLIMS !
THE GOVT. MUST ISSUE A WHITE PAPER ON THE LAND ALOTTED TO THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN INDIA .
ALMOST ALL THE LAND ALLOTTED TO THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUIONS BELONGED TO THE INDO-ARYANS .
BJP hedges RSS’ minorities appeasement charge
Faraz Ahmad
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, October 12
Reacting to the RSS’ charges on the alleged minorities appeasement policy, BJP spokesman Prakash Javadekar tried to pass on the blame to the NDA government in Bihar.
The RSS put the BJP in a tight spot yesterday in Rajgir, Bihar, at its three-day conclave when it charged the Bihar coalition government, jointly run by Chief Minister Nitish Kumar and deputy chief minister Suhsil Kumar Modi, with pursuing a policy of minorities appeasement.
RSS sahkaryavah Suresh Joshi, alias Bhaiyaji Joshi, yesterday said at the conclusion of the three-day session that the BJP-JD(U) government’s decision to grant land in Kishanganj for setting up the Bihar chapter of Aligarh Muslim University was “improper.”
Bhaiyaji Joshi had said, “It is simply not in the interest of the country. I am afraid such a policy is being followed in the state. The decision to grant land to AMU for setting up its branch is anuchit (improper),” he said.
Sources claimed that Sangh leaders also upbraided the BJP leaders MPs, MLAs and Bihar ministers who came to attend a dinner hosted by the Sangh.
RSS chief Mohanrao Bhagwat is reported to have advised the ministers to desist from compromising the principles of the party at the altar of power and regretted that the BJP tends to forget its policies the moment it comes to power.
Courtesy :
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091013/nation.htm#2
C . L . CHUMBER said
I ALSO WANT TO SUIT AGAINST YOU . YOU SEND ME THE SAME ABOUT YOUR GOODSELF SO THAT WE MAY MEET IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT REGARDING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR EVILS !
hh said
October 7, 2009 @ 9:21 am
Anita Gupta Alias Chumber,
Instead of just braking, just provide the details asked from you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
Two persons came to me from Kanpur ( U.P.) . The video graphed my views in the third week of August , 2009 . One person told me that Mr. Namishrai , a noted Hindi dalit writer wanted to have talk with me .Mr. Namishrai was a chief guest at a function on 14th October at Ambedkar Bhawan , Jalandhar City . We sit together twice at Jalandhar . He noted my views to publish in his Hindi monthly literary magazine .
Mr. Namishrai is committed to the literature . He was also the chief guest of an Arya Samajist girl college KMV College , Jalandhar City `s literary function on 16th October ,2009 .
The dalits are asserting in every field except business . The manuwadis are trying their best to assimilate them in their system .
C . L . CHUMBER said
Please read ” Tale of 2 affidavits – PF SCAM Accused pressured to retract confession naming judges ” in the Hindustan Times dated 21st October , 2009 .
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS ,
I WROTE MY REACTION ( C . L . CHUMBER said
October 10, 2009 @ 9:57 am ) TO THE VIEWS OF MR. HH AND OTHERS AS BELOW :
THE ARYANS ARE WORST EVER PEOPLE IN THE UNIVERSE .
IN THE MODERN PERIOD , MR. ADOLF HITLOR AND MR. M.K. GANDHI WERE THE LEADERS OF THE ARYANS .ONE WAS VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST AND THE OTHER WAS NON-VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST . ONE COMMITTED SUISIDE AND THE OTHER WAS KILLED BY THE ANOTHER VIOLENT INDO-ARYAN TERRORIST .
WE HATE THE INDO-ARYANS WHO HATE AND DIVIDED THE HUMANITY !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDU ( October 20, 2009 @ 10:38 am ) AGAIN WROTE AS ,” Great Chumber, So according to you MK Gandhi was a political terrorist. Wonderful. Come to court and prove it.
If you hate “aryans”, you must hate yourself.
If you hate “aryans”, then why do you shamelessly keep a name called Chiranjiv in an indo-aryan language Sanskrit? Go change your name first.”
FIRST OF ALL , I THANK MR. HAPPY HINDU CALLING ME ” Great Chumber .” SECOND , I SO MANY TIMES EXPOSED MR. M.K. GANDHI AS A NON VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST IN THIS ESTEEMED BLOCK . YOU MAY READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” PUBLISHED BY THE MAHARASHTRA GOVERNMENT FOR MORE DETAILS .
THIRD , I AM NEITHER AN ARYAN NOR I HATE ANY CASTE , CREED , GENDER AND RELIGION . IF I WROTE THAT I HATE THE ARYANS , I HATE THEIR MISDEEDS .
FOURTH , MY NAME IS NOT AN ARYAN NAME . IT IS NATURAL NAME AND WE CLAIM THAT SANSKRIT IS OUR ANCESTRAL LANGUAGE OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS . SANSKRIT IS NOT INDO-ARYAN LANGUAGE . IT IS INDIAN LANGUAGE .
FIFTH , IF MR. HAPPY HINDU CLAIMS IT INDO-ARYAN , THEN HE IS INDO-ARYAN AND HE MUST GO TO THE CENTRAL ASIA .
hh said
FIRST OF ALL , I THANK MR. HAPPY HINDU CALLING ME ” Great Chumber .” SECOND , I SO MANY TIMES EXPOSED MR. M.K. GANDHI AS A NON VIOLENT POLITICAL TERRORIST IN THIS ESTEEMED BLOCK . YOU MAY READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” PUBLISHED BY THE MAHARASHTRA GOVERNMENT FOR MORE DETAILS .
THIRD , I AM NEITHER AN ARYAN NOR I HATE ANY CASTE , CREED , GENDER AND RELIGION . IF I WROTE THAT I HATE THE ARYANS , I HATE THEIR MISDEEDS .
FOURTH , MY NAME IS NOT AN ARYAN NAME . IT IS NATURAL NAME AND WE CLAIM THAT SANSKRIT IS OUR ANCESTRAL LANGUAGE OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS . SANSKRIT IS NOT INDO-ARYAN LANGUAGE . IT IS INDIAN LANGUAGE .
FIFTH , IF MR. HAPPY HINDU CLAIMS IT INDO-ARYAN , THEN HE IS INDO-ARYAN AND HE MUST GO TO THE CENTRAL ASIA .
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LOL 🙂 i did not call you as great, Mr.Megalomanic.
I meant your statement of calling Gandhi a political terrorist was great.
Oh yes, you “exposed” Gandhi so many times, but we are waiting to expose you, Mr.Fraud Case.
So one shameless dumbo now claims that sanskrit is the ancestral language of aboriginal indians and is an indian language!!! lol 😉 All just because he does not want to change his name – how conveniently he changes his tactics and statements.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SEARING INDICTMENT OF RSS , BJP , BUT ACTION TO BE TAKEN : NOTHING By Siddharth Varadarajan
THIS A NEWS ANALYSIS BY THE HINDU DATED 25TH NOVEMBER , 2009 .I HOPE THE VIWERS MAY BENEFIT FROM THIS NEWS .-C.L.CHUMBER
HARD CONCLUSIONS , SOFT RECOMMENDATIONS LET SANGH PARIVAR , CENTRE OFF THE HOOK .
New Delhi: There is a phrase in Hindustani — khoda pahad, nikli chuhiya — to describe the underwhelming outcome of an exercise over which one has laboured long and hard.
Justice M.S. Liberhan worked diligently for 17 years through more than 40 extensions of his initial three-month brief to produce a 1029-page report full of facts and details about the events and circumstances leading up to the demolition of the Babri Masjid in 1992. His conclusion is unsurprising but unequivocal and bold: the demolition was part of a well-thought out plan — a “joint common enterprise” — hatched by the top leadership of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, the Shiv Sena and the Bharatiya Janata Party, the last organisation correctly described as a “front organisation” of the RSS.
Unfortunately, the recommendations which emerge out of his daring excavations are so mousy that they bear no resemblance whatsoever to the forthright conclusions which precede them. After having indicted 68 individuals for bringing the country to the brink of communal disaster, Justice Liberhan doesn’t call for the filing of charges against those that have escaped being arraigned so far in the demolition case, nor does he speak of expedited criminal proceedings.
This is surprising given his repeated use of the phrase “joint common enterprise” to describe the conspiracy. Ever since the 1999 Tadic judgment of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, international criminal law has developed the notion of ascribing liability for mass crimes to those who might not have been direct participants but who willingly facilitated the commission of criminal acts through the positions they occupied in the hierarchy of the organisation involved.
Had Justice Liberhan developed the concept in his recommendations and pushed for an end to the pervasive impunity enjoyed by politicians, police officers and bureaucrats, he would have earned the gratitude of the nation. But he has done nothing of the sort. Other than calling for the separation of religion and politics and making some other tepid suggestions, the report steers clear of recommending either short-term steps to ensure justice in the demolition case or long-term measures to protect the country from a repeat of the tragedy.
Perhaps the fault lies not so much with Justice Liberhan and his commission as with the inability of the police and justice delivery system in India to reach the same conclusions he did and then to act upon them with speed and impartiality.
In Chapter 10, Justice Liberhan makes a definitive statement about culpability: “It stood established before me beyond reasonable doubt that the Joint Common Enterprise was a preplanned act for demolition under the immediate leadership of Vinay Katiyar, Paramhans Ramchander Dass, Ashok Singhal, Champat Rai, Swami Chinmayanand, S.C. Dixit, B.P. Singhal and Acharya Giriraj. They were the local leaders on the spot and the executors of the plan conceived by the RSS. The other leaders [L.K. Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi and others] cannot be absolved of their vicarious liability and were willing collaborators playing the roles assigned to them by the RSS. Their informed support for the Ayodhya campaign, fortified by their physical presence during the grand finale of the prolonged campaign is irrefutably established.
“I conclude that the RSS, BJP, VHP, Shiv Sena and their office bearers as named in this report, in connivance with Kalyan Singh, the then Chief Minister of U.P., entered into a Joint Common Enterprise for the purpose of demolition of the disputed structure and the construction of the temple in its place. They practised intermingling of religion with politics as a well thought out act to subvert democracy.”
The demolition of the mosque was the “zenith of a concerted and well laid-out plan which encompasses an entire pantheon of religious, political and mob leadership.” Justice Liberhan noted, correctly, that “some leaders were consciously kept out of the operational area or planning in order to protect them and preserve their secular credentials for later political use.” Mr. Advani and Mr. Joshi may have been part of the second tier in this joint common enterprise but they cannot escape political or legal liability despite the “plausible deniability” the sangh parivar gave them as a shield.
Wealth of material
Seventeen years later, many of the criminals involved in this joint common enterprise are dead. But many flourished, secure in the knowledge that they were above the law. No matter how much the country will now vilify Justice Liberhan for the little mouse he has produced by way of recommendations, the body of his report provides a wealth of material that any investigating agency worth its name ought to be able to spin a watertight conspiracy case out of it. Many of the dramatis personae who had memory lapses before the commission would find it harder to resist the interrogation techniques our police force now excels in, including narco analysis.
If the UPA government is serious, it can do no better than file supplementary charge sheets and fast-track the Babri Masjid demolition case so that justice is finally done.
Courtsey :http://www.hindu.com/2009/11/25/stories/2009112560941000.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
To-day , I visited the Symbiosis’s Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar Museum and Memoreal ,Senapati Bapat Road , Pune ( Maharashtra ) ( http://www.symbiosis-ambedkarmemorial.com/Home.html ) . I will write about it later on . But I come to know from its publication Hahamanav Dr. B.R. Ambedkar that Dr. B.R. Ambedkar ‘ the People’ Education Society opened 6 institutions in Mumbai , 6 in Aurangabad , 1 in Mahad , 2 in Dapoli , Hostels each in Pandhar Pur and Nanded all in Maharashtra state and 34 institutions in Pune ( Maharashtra ) and Bangalore ( Karnatka state ) dominated by his Mahar caste .
He and his socity never opened any college /institution in Chamar caste dominated Northren India . Why ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 20, 2009 @ 7:15 am
Dear Prithvi Raj ,
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Dr. Ambedkar also in practical concentrated to the Mahars and the Maharashtra state . He opened the colleges only in his Mahar community`s dominated Maharashtra area .
I suggest to choose some smallest area or some families in your residential area and start work with concentration .
suji said
firstly visit this site chembur u r really do tough fight ……..this happens only because Dr. babasaheb Ambedkar is example of product without mistake and peoples from upper caste feel hesitation while accepting him as great leader Be thankful to this great person as he not only work for dalit people but he developed indian society specifically hindu religion and what a point in doing a pooja for those u call as god The person so call love dalit pussies where done such reserch or sharing his own experience on the name of Dr. Ambedkar U Idiot mind your language If U R unbalanced get a Psychitrist Got it … Doing A great Work not result ofsuch thing and Pls take certain action against this person
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Suji ,
What kind of action do you want against me ? You are not fit for dialogue as you do not know to even read my name in English .
suji said
December 6, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
– – – Pls take certain action against this person
C.L.CHUMBER said
There are crores and crores Ruchikas in India who are suffering from this worst ever socio-economic and political system . When I read about Ruchika and her family`s sufferings , I am solaced that I am not alone sufferer of this system .
I was selected as Tehsil welfare officer and I joined at Taran Tarn which is now a district head quarter in (Punjab)in Febuary ,1976.But my services were terminated without any reason and notice when I was doing my job at Patti after being transfered from Amritsar . I was a regular employee as per the then Parkash Singh Badal government .
I decided to challenge the dismissal order in the Pb. & Haryana High court .In the mean time , I phoned my real uncle / tayya ji ( Master ) Khushi Ram ji , Deputy chief controller of import and export in the union M/o commerce who was once the deputy secretary of the union public service commission .He immediately asked the director , welfare department , Punjab government to explain the reason of dismissal . Mr. J.S. Kesar IAS who was also sc by caste could not reply satisfactory and he had to reinstate me and I joined at Sirhind against a vacate post .
But I did only three months job and I left that job to enter in the social work as well as business of marketing in a company .My uncle was annoyed at this .The he retired and he persuaded me to accompany him to settle in Canada but I decided to live in India , for India .
My marketing bussiness was flourished and my company advanced for a car after three years of joining .In the meanwhile , I applied for a one kanal plot in the urban estate , phase 2 , Jalandar City .My plot was resumed due to political reasons .I received the resume order dated 10th September , 1989 when I deposited some amount on 9th September . The resume order was signed in Febuary , 1989 . Why the resume order posted after seven months ? They wanted a big amount as bribe but I refused .
I appealed to the head of the Urban estates at Chandigarh but she save her corrupt SC officer and I was denied justice . This plot costs Rs.two crores at the present market rate. Even my earnest money was not refunded till date.
Before this I started a Punjabi monthly magazine the Kaumi Udarian which was very popular .The politicins were affraid of its policy to awaken the people and they forfeited its Punjab problem special issue of July , 1986 and imposed TADA 3/4 and 153IPC on me .
I contested the Punjab assembly election from Jalandar North as BSP candidate in 1992 A.D. The DSP incharge of the area threatened me not to contest . I complained against him to the then SSP .But he was also part and parcel of this conspiracy .S. Beant singh , who became CM of Punjab was contesting from my residential Jallandar Cantt. assembly area.I was alloted 32 CRPF and fourPunjab police personnels for safety from terrorists !
When Sahib Kanshi Ram`s clash with the press happened on 25th October , 1996 , I was invited by him on 3rd November at Delhi to start a Punjabi weekly .I was conferred the resident editorship and it was launched by Sahib Kanshi Ram on 16th November , 1996 in a big BSP rally at Ludhiana .Its circulation was twenty five thousands for free distribution among BSP cadre .It was very popular due to my editorial talents . This bulletin was in direct contrast with the Punjab`s press . The top most Punjabi daily lost its sixty five thousands circulation .I reproduced the article of his father of the then editor of this daily which claimed that Dr. Ambedkar sanctioned the news paper quota for that news paper .This article exposed the news paper for criticizing a political party carrying the banner of Dr. Ambedkar.
This bulletin was the election period but I decided to continue it at a price of Rs. two after the election with a circulation of at least one lac .This horrified the BSP`s Punjab leadership and the entire press .They plotted a road accident to finish me on the assembly election day when I was covering the election i.e 7th Febuary , 1997.My two lietinaunts were killed and I was among six seriously injureds .
There was extreme when our statements were not recorded by the police.The police submitted a fake statement of mine in the court .This statement was by Chuni Lal Chumber when my name is Charanji Lal@ Chirinjeev Lal Chumber .My address was recorded as Mith pur road , Jalandar City when my address is 47-A, Dada Nagar , Model Town , Jalandar City .I told the judge that this is a conspiracy to kill me and to save the culprits .The honourable judge was angered at this and he urged me to unfold the names of the culprits .I named 15 culprits out of them one is present BSP`s Rajya Sabha member from Punjab , another ex BSP MP of Lok Sabha ,ex BSP MLA , ex congress minister against whom I contested assembly election in 1992 A.D.,an ex BSP leader who is now a chairman of a finance corporation , anothe ex BSP leader who is now a member of Punjab service selection board ,managing editor of a Punjabi daily , two BSP inclined writers total 15 .
The culprits got transfered the suitable judge to dismiss this court case .On November 13 , 2009 , I visited the court premises at Phagwara courts to have the copy of the court judgement .My advocate said that that case had been the dust . I asked him that why he did not informed about the judgement . He did not replied . What will be done to these advocates ?
c.l.chumber@gmail.com
Mangesh Moharil said
Dear All
I have gone through all comments on this site. I think that, we should always move in proper direction in the journey of life and set an example for our young generation. We should not talk about casts every time, you observe each and every incidances happening around our self , you will find different kind of persons to blame,irrespective of their cast. Two individuals from the same cast are having different openion and behaviour. I am bramhin by cast. I never seen any dalit/bramhin leaders putting some good examples infront of society. We all know that some brmhins inhibited Jyotiba Fule from starting school for girs, but we intentionally forgott to tell our young gnernarion that the first school was held in “Bhide Wada”, which was own by bramhin. So there are two school of thoughts in the society, one who always create hate amongs casts/region and one who create love and move fwd.
I think we all educated and good people who belive in democrecy so we should be second kind of people. And lets make INDIA a number one nation in the world./
Love to all Indians and humans
ecstay said
he he, i couldn’t able to stop laugh after reading the conspiracy that was written in the article.
i would advice our dalits to compete with brahmins who r now in major positions in Europe and USA.
If u people really have guts, try to compete with them, otherwise cry cry and more cry. Thats it. U people cant do anything without reservations.
aniket said
fuck you all baba’s boys……how can you finish brahmins?
they are your baap……fuck you…… you motherfuckers
aniket said
matherchod sale………..reservation pe jite ho sale kutto…….tumhari ma ki chut
himmat hai toh bina reservation ke jike batao…..sale chyute……fuck you…….motherfuckers………haram khor………matherchod………..bewde…………..
R R shukla said
Mr. R K Naidu and Mr. Dilip Murlidharan are typical low cast mentality bastards. They know that their castes are like animal castes. They can marry even dogs and pigs and produce children. Both of them wish to kill all brahmins in India. But the bastards dont know how to clean their shit from their own ass. Madarchod tumhari maa ki choot me gadhe ka lund . tum low caste madarchodo ki maa ki choot me muta suwar. RANDI KI AWLADO, AGAR BRAHMIN NAHI RAHE TO TUM JAISE JANWARO KA DESH BANEGA YEH BHARAT.
MUDDAGANGAIAH said
I m very happy that you have revealed us all real things when you came to Moulana Azad University, i too come from scheduled caste i suffered lot from higher caste people you have done a very good job people like me always support you go ahead, i like your courage, boldness to speak anywhere about those reality Thank You very much sir for inspiring us
Keep on writing articles to create awareness of our people
Your beloved Shudra….
Mahesh said
I would say that you should let Babasaheb stay away from your dirty minds. Babasaheb himself told in the law that Reservation to BC ppl should be stopped after 20-25 years, so this proves how open-minded he was and he had clear-thinking about the Nation and his people.
He wanted all of us to rise from the darkness of lack of education and help others to rise. I think he had the best brains over his shoulder. I respect him for his great efforts to lift us as a nation and to define our lives through the Indian Constitution.
So in my thinking, when he married Mrs. Savithabai he asked us all to believe in humanity, love and treat everyone as equal. Please dnt deduce any wrong things out of his great deeds.
Ramnathkumar said
what else more can u do than criticize brhamin, i am a brahmin and men may come and men may go but we go on forever. I accept that Dalits are suppressed for long and i even work towards to uplift them. But you cannot criticize brahmins for your miseries, It is all misunderstanding that exist in our society about brahmins and as long as you dont look into yourself and try to improve , there is no hope for you guys, the method you are following to uplift yourself by criticizing brahmin will take you no where, it will only lead to furthur decline…..Indian and dont fall into things created by Macaulay and follow their divide and rule policy
samuel said
You people are the filthiest of all indians…you shame the very ideals that india was built on. Stop blaming brahmins for everything that is your fault. And dont discriminate against ANY indian. I am a dalit Indian…my best friends are brahmins and so are my family friends. And dont say that you want to marry brahmin women simply because you want to destroy them. Then your are the most evil of all humans. By marrying brahmins, you are discriminating against your own women!! Now, who is discriminating against dalits? the dalits themselves.
Many dalits are lazy to work and get a good education and a job,…and they blame it on brahmins…brahmins are probably one of the most hard working…thats why they are so prosperous.
Im a rich dalit……Only because I worked hard. Not because of complaining like you pussies. And i married a dalit woman…because im not racist towards them like you so called proud dalits. Stop being such whiny assholes and goto school or college…and get a job.
You haters should hang yourselves for spreading hatred among indians. We are Indians. That is all that should matter.
Jai India.
nero said
i agree with u to some extent bro.
mama said
Ambedkar great brahmin, actually he has originated from brahmin,
Lordkrishna said
Fuck off you dirty sudras. All your wives are whores and you are pimps. You will all rot in hell. Jai Lord Krishna.
uddipan said
Mrrrr.Lordkrishna !!!!?
It is the brahmanical instinct never identifies mother and the sex partner. Shame to u, that u have an animal instinct to rape your mother DEBAKI a sudra women from a Daitya family. shame… shame
nero said
shut upp.
uddipan said
Mr. Lordkrishna/nero,
You have no knowledge about the sin what have done by your forefathers. Go and read the animalistic leterature I can give you the list. Do you know Brahma your forefather raped his daughter while sudra Shiva cut his head and threw it to Puskar? Debasenapati Kartika intercourse with his mother Durga!!? Go through Shivapuran and Brahmabaibarta Puran. Read it and identify yourselves as the unwanted and illigal child in this country. Are you human being! Please realize…..
dr.vikas said
satya mev jayathe!!!
nero said
shame on u …
nero said
sorry guys ..by mistake i posted this comment here..i wanted to post in the upper post.
dr.vikas said
i aggre with the mr.c.l.chumber on all the discussion. and appreciate his scholarly talent of hindhu sikh and buddhism religious texts.this is similar way raja rammohan roy and agarkar jyotiba phule and dr ambedkar tackle the most diffuclt problem in hindusism and help in removing the sati and untouchability from the india. dalits are more talented than the brahmin when we comprair the situation they face .brahmin has money power by that he get coaching and join the iit without coaching and one two year drop they also not selected for the medical and iits.
vasan iyer said
The original quistion Why Babasaheb married a brahmin lady got twisted and unwanted hate and stpidity were only occopied the major portion. What ever the reason may be, the fact remains most of the brahmin haters prefer brahmin girls for themselves and to sons. The latest and good example is our oldest cm karunanidhi who holds the record of holding 4 brahmin bahu in his family. Dayanithi maran’s mother and wife, stalin’s wife all are brahmins.
Aiden Thompson said
i have been a volunteer for 2 years on social works and this is a very exciting job for me **;
silas said
If all our brahmin girls are dishonoured..then each of our brahmins will fuck your ladies …your mothers and sisters so hard and that you cant hear their screaming….we will produce our offspring from your ladies…wat do u think of us brahmins….do u think we are FOOLS!!!…your stories of oppression and all that shit dont bother me and my community….we will fight taking up arms….like terrorists….dont underestimate us….we will kill u while u r fucking ur wife at late midnight…we will no longer bear ur lies….hav u forgotten wat happened in europe and DELHI???? dont raise another avenger…..
silas said
@SAMUEL….THANK U MY FRIEND FOR UNDERSTANDING US BRAHMINS…I too hav many dalit friends…we hang out together all the time…i too oppose casteism…..i dont want any dalit to be offended because of his social status….i am ready to embrace them…but they hate us very much…I dont know y?????
parushu said
mr.ambedkar made constitutional laws for the up liftment of low caste,it was good for upto 20 years,but it is of no use now as now all sc/st are at zenith because they are getting everything for free & they have become lazy.what should other people’s do?because they don’t get job because of this bloody reservation based on caste.corruption is at its best ,we don’t find good doctors ,teachers because they don’t get jobs,some of these unfit reserved people become(i am not talking of intellectual dalits) doctors & are killing people.
good engineers,doctors,teachers are unwillingly sacrificing their motherland,their relatives & flying to other countries because of this reservation.common give reservation based on economic condition.
anniyan said
you bloody peoples if you are fighting like this,once again I will come.
Er. Rajani Kant Singh Indra said
Hello All ,
People are talking about more & more without any proof.
Dr. Ambedakar was a Great Soul on Earth….
People Like you , who do not know any thing about your own life , are making comment and discussion about Him . If You think only in One way as ” What You want to think then Lord Krishna can also not able to Help You ”
Do not go on His Personal Life….Go for His Great Thoughts…..
He is the only Person who taught the Path of Equity in Modern India…He was a Rational Personality . Each Statement of Dr. Ambedakr is based on Rationality…..But You People ( Fundamentalist ) are going to Make Judgement about Him . Why ?
If You Thing you are Better than Him , Then Please help to India to Make a Country of Humanity , Equity , Development & Education rather commenting on Great Personalities .
For people who are totally fundamentalist …..I want to say them ” If Any thing is 100% correct , then no one can degrade that ….That can be any thing for Example – any religion , If Hindu Religion is Better then other then Don’t worry
no other religion can override it . If You Think – Muslim or Christine are encroaching Hindu Religion Then I am 100% sure that there is Some Fault in Hindu Religion in a specific point …Correct it . Because Only Bad Thought can be encroached only by Good Thoughts ….Good Thoughts can Never be encroached by any means .
If There is some thing wrong in Hindu and That was corrected in Other Religion then adopt correct one as Like a Rational & Secular Personality ….which is also the Hidden Massage of Secularism of Indian Constitution .
If any of You think that Dr. Ambedakar was somewhere was wrong then First of all Correct yourself and then make some action to make country on the Path
of Development …rather Discussing without any proof that only based on Fundamentalist and Orthodoxy ill thoughts like Narrow and Sick Minded People.
Over all
Bharat Ratna Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedakar is a person of Rationality & Scientific Thinking . He Hated only those People who was Orthodoxy , Narrow & Sick Minded .
I Personally thinks ” Orthodoxy People , Orthodoxy Religion , Orthodoxy Country , Orthodoxy Community , Orthodoxy Thoughts & every Things which are Orthodoxy , Must….Must….Must Be Hated by Human Being to lead our country on The Path of Rationality , Innovation , Social Affairs , Public Wellfare , Equity , Environmentalism & Education not literacy .”
Er. Rajani Kant Singh Indra
Er. Rajani Kant Singh Indra said
Mind is Given to Human Being Only by Super Natural Power….only to Think in Rational , Innovative , Creative , Logical way ………not to make ill comments on those Personalities whose Works & Actions are Better than Orthodoxy & ill Minded People .
Use your intelligence for The Welfare of Human Being and Our Environment Rather polluting the innocent Mind of Coming Generation by proving these type of People dividing orthodoxy , fundamentalist Ideas.
Write the Fact about which you have proof so that you are able to prove in law of Court…otherwise leave it.
Out Bharat Mata had Given Son Like Bharat Ratna Baba Saheb Dr. B R Ambedakar …..we must have to be Proud on it…….who lead the backward and deprived class on the Path of Equity and welfare for a Health & Secular Nation .
Over all Mission of Baba Saheb is the Equity in Social Strata ….in all means and all Ways and Even for Healthy and Rational Thought for Our Coming Generation who are the Future of Future India.
Jai Bhim Jai Bharat
Er. Rajani Kant Singh indra
nero said
fuck all the dalit haters……shame on u guys………..why d u tell ur children to hate dalits…….u illiterate mindless stupide stinky people.
uddipan said
Aryans the linguistic group led by the Brahmins soon be abolished.”They will die a natural death and become extinct.” I am 100% agree with LC Chumber the restless brave fighter for the aboriginals. The barbaric group destroyed our civilization, burnt our literature, imposed baned on our traditional knowledge and also tried to abolished our languages which attuned by the indigenous people for thousands of years imposing Sanskrit. But the criminal efforts has gone vain. Mahatma Jyoti Ba Phoole, Mahatma Guruchand Thakur of Bengal, EVR and lastly Babasaheb Ambedkar have thrown it to the dustbin as useless. It is like an orrange tree of Darjeeling planted forcefully in lower gangetic belt. Completly useless rather occuping the fertile land. The Barahmin should be hated soon by the new generation. Dear brothers, give your hands to teardown the brahmanical blafficking. Jai Bhim-Jai Bharat-Jai Mulnivashi
santosh said
i think the writer is either INSANE or not having the BRAIN itself.
writer must consult a good chitpavan psychiatrist who will surely have pity on him and will do the needful to cure him.
socialjustice2day said
Baba Saheb, when he married Savita, was an older man. His earlier marriage was a child marriage to a woman (Ramabai) with whom he is supposed to have had a tender but very unequal relationship. She was uneducated, unlike the highly educated Ambedkar who spent his youth in the best universities in the world. Ambedkar was a believer in universal rights and equality. Remember that he resigned from the drafting committee of the constitution not on a dalit issue, but on Hindu Code Bill, which had implications for gender justice in the Hindu community. Can we blame him for expecting a woman who would be equally educated and might also share his aspirations for equality? Savita Ambedkar converted with him to Buddhism. She did not have any problem to leave her own religious tradition. This might show that she is a modern patriarchal wife, who follows her husband’s footsteps. It might also prove that she thought for herself. I think the comments about her beauty, brahmins being more beautiful than dalit girls etc do not deserve any merit. If the leader of Dalits were seduced by skin colour, we can only say, how terrible this caste system is…how it runs so deep in all of us, and how fragile even our great leaders might have been. Let us not hate him for human frailities…instead, let us understand him…and let us understand his first wife, Ramabai as well as his later companion, Savita too.
Kumarpushp said
Savita Ambedkar was responsible for Dr Ambedkar untimely death.Please read who killed Dr ambedkar .Mrs savita Ambedkar did not allow to take blood sample of Dr ambedkar after his death.Savita Ambedkar had given high dose of Insulin to kill Dr ambedkar, till now Saxena Committee report did not publish by Hindu led government in india.When Dr Ambedkar grand son had asked mr Desai to publish the rport then Desai answered that there would be fired in India.166 million dalits must asked for saxena committee report which give clear picture about savita Ambedkar. Savita Ambedkar was a setup to kill Dr ambedkar.
Satyasodak said
Well said…
If he also encourages Love Marriages to abolish The Great Indian Tradition (star,gothra, caste,…)
Mohan Uppaluri said
Good comments from my fellow indians…… China & Pak have become friends and are the biggest threat to our country. As long as these dirty politicians continue to rule neither brahmin nor dalit will rise cant u see the end of hinduism….poor hindus being converted to other religions…
india is the only hindu country left pls my dear fellow indians be united develop respect towards ur country else we hindu will become minority in our own country.
Kumarpushp said
Lets annihilate the Hinduism from India with help of China and Pakistan then throw these barbaric hindus from America,europe and middle east who are having fun in christians and muslims country and killing dalits ,christians and muslims in india with petro and christians dollors.
uddipan said
Swami Vivekananda said in his writing “Sudra Jagaran” like this “Brahmanism is absolutely against the progressiveness. We should have kick off it out from this country”. The first battle we have won to make useless their language Sanskrit. Still we have to fight a lot. Taking an oath following Babasaheb’s word, we have to captured the temple of power for our imancipation. We have also to capture that master key of parliament by which each and every doors and windows could unlocked. But we should have make our people aware about the Brahmanical conspiracy. We have so many evidences that, they used the women power for thier benefit.
v said
hello brother theek hai bramhin to bure h but first of all you have to say that all dalit cast like 800 are not ready to marry with each other because they also keep in mind manu vad i am not supporting to manu vad but this is real i also live with dalit he is my best friend if he is in suffering so ihelp him not mhatever you are dalit hence like dahiya dhobi why not marry his daughter with chamar mahar while they are beneficial by ambedkar and obc also adopt cast system why you not say to any one not only bramhan but every cast in this system it can be remove by education………….because you are educated varna politician ban jao like mayawati vote bank k liye yaha bhai bhai ka santh nahi deta h tum jat aur samaj ki bat karte ho………..
sangharam said
dnt try to devide HINDUS. our brain is BRHAMMAN. OUR chest and HANDS R KHSTRYO, OUR BELLY boishya and our LEG is SHUDRA. and the whole is our body. without any part of it we are not complete. So plz, dnt devide us. This website is a anti HIDNU pakistani website. i support vindu.
In our SHREEMAT VAGATBAT GITA, 18th chapter, sloka 53 to 55 read, who is called brhamman, kshatryo, baishya and shudra.
mind it, UNITED WE STAND,DEVIDED WE FALL.
kalabairava said
@udippan
No one is aboriginal. If only aboriginals should exist then the monkeys should throw all of us out as monkeys were the original aboriginals.
Stop your ranting and squeaking. You are an anti indian person who wants to create problems between brothers in India.
For spreading hate among loving brothers of this nation, you are hereby cursed of an unnatural death where you will be struggling to live. You will hate yourself. You will have the worst diseases and no body will even come and help you.
All this is only to teach you the pain of what hatered can do. You find it easy to preach hatered and therefore you should practice it. This curse comes to you for disobeying the greatest messengers fo love to have been born on this earth. Lord Jesus Christ and Lord Buddha.
Saradindu Biswas said
Mr Kalabairava,
Thanks for expressing your inner feelings towards peace, love and fraternity. And also thanks for defining Lord Jesus and Lord Buddha the greatest messengers of love and peace in the world, rather defining Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Lord Kautilya, Lord Manu, Lord Adi Sankarachariya. We are proud of our country where Mahamati Gautama Buddha, Sant Kabir, Guru Nanak, Sant Rabidas, Mahatma Jyotiba Phule, Mahatma Guruchand Thakur, EVR Periar and our belated Buddha Babasaheb Dr. BR Ambedkar were born.
“For spreading hate among loving brothers of this nation, you are hereby cursed of an unnatural death where you will be struggling to live”.
Mr. Kalabairava,
It is Bengal never permits the RSS to spread their brutal killing or unnatural death to the aboriginals (for your shake SC,ST,OBCs and Minorities). Don’t try to put your cool killing eye to the sons of Ashoka the Great as well as the sons of Buddha the Icon of BASUDHAIBA KUTUMBAKAM.
Who divided us?
Who put the Sudras untouchable?
Who destroyed our civilizations? Its philosophy, archeological monuments, eco-friendly sustainable wisdom, the greatest educational institutions, our literature and our glorious history.
Who excluded us for all kinds proportional representations?
Babasaheb has opened our eyes. And you the RSS hooligans know it that this is the Third Eye of Sanakara has been opening boldly. We are ready now to face your MAHAPRALAYA.
Without talking any more I am sending the hidden DASTABEZ of RSS after demolishing the Babri Mosque we could see it clear that, it is absolutely a plan of action to establish RAM RAJYA: “ Aj se lagbhag 2000 barsha purba biswa me baudhha dharma ke falte prabhutya ko rokne aaur use samapt karne ke lie hamare purbaja Aadi Snakarachariya bho Gita me ek bisesh Sloka yada yada hi dharmaswa samil kraya gaya. Jiska Arth hay ki jab jab hindu dharma ko koi hani krega may adi sankarachariya usi dharma ya us byakti ko nasht karne ke liye har yug me janm lunga. Aj phir bho samay aa gaya hay ki adharmi Ambedkar ke karan boudhha dharma puna astitya me ane laga hay……Aj hamara ek hi uddeshya hay ki Ambedkar, Ishai missionary ke bacho ko jinda jalaya tatha anushuchit jati, janajati, anna pichhrebarga ke Arakshan ko Supreme Court ke Jajo ki madadse Arakshan samapt krabaya. Ab hamara ek Ambedkar ke sanbidhan ko purnata nast karke desh me lokatantra ke sthan par Ram Rajjya ki sthapana, Bharat ko Hindu rashtra Ghoshit karne, Sanskrit ko rashtrabhasha banana, tatha Manusmriti ke adhar par sanbidhan ki nayi rachana karne ki Aur sanshad me Ambedkar ki murti ko nast karke uske sthan par Manu ki bishal pratima sthapit karna”. (After demolishing the Babri Mosque, Hindu Dharnma Sanshad dwara Anumodita Gopaniya Dastabej, Agenda No. 19)
Mrrrrr, still you are supporting the killer who never call us BHAI the brother. Why you are defining our lovely Icons. Are u a self-oblivious? Let Jesus and Buddha bless u my brother.
Jai Bhim Jai Bharat.
fuck u said
New scheme dalit to dalit call free
hows that??
Iftikarjohn said
An IAS talking non sense..? India should have greatly progressed if there was no dalit IAS. God himself might be contemplating after all why a creature called ambedkar came to earth..
If you write a letter and address it to ambedkar nagar.. .. surely postal team will have to find out which ambedkar nagar it is …
In modern india the word AMbedkar has become like “Islamic” for terroists… ! All dho numberi under the name ambedkar.
Snatch land illegally call it ambedkar nagar.. you will be untouchable by government agencies.. ! Snatch jobs under the name dalit …!
Dalit is not born … it is only his qualities that make him dalit.
Sri Krishna has clarified these things in gita. So it is you who is creating dalit and becoming untouchable for all the wrong doings..
You seek protection under atrocities against dalits.. ?? Wrongfully.. shame on you IAS Naidu..
May your dalit soul remain untouchable to heaven and you get your reservation quota in hell. May god bless you…!!
Uddipan said
Mr. Iftikar John.
You expressed your illiterate ignorant Putting blame on Dalit the aboriginal those who never belief on God, soul, hell and heaven. They belief on animalism, humanism, earth and its particles, biodiversity, cultural diversity, solar system, stars constellations, times and space as a dialectics. They love it, want to live on it, worship it as they are being with. You the parasite illegal occupants never love the earth as your home. You the unwanted trespassers never belief on justice, equality, liberty and fraternity. Your liar forefathers created God, soul, hell and heaven. Go to hell or heaven with your soul and God rather abusing our beloved earth. We will never ask for reservation entering your land. Let us live in our traditional abode with our great philosophy BASUDHAIBA KUTUMBAKAM.
Remember, one Ambedkar is sufficient to make useless of you and your fake religious belief.
Jai Bhim, Jai Bharat.
rahul ramteke said
bhangi is a fool
rahul ramteke said
ramteke are better than all sc. all other sc are fools,
jinglika said
guys i wil tell u a true story , and dalit nation has to reply ,
i no a (dalit) girl who was behind a bramin guy , when tat guy rejected her , this gal turned violent , she started slapping herself and crying , this guy had to go to london a month frm tat day , this lady called him up tat evening and said him tat if he doesnt marry,she wud lodge a complaint against him tat he had verbally abused her and her caste , U NO WAT IN TN IF A PERSON FRM LOWER CASTE SAYS TAT SOME ONE HAS ABUSED THEIR CASTE , A CASE IS REGISTERED WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION , this boy was totally depressed and decided to marry her , his london trip got cancelled . this girl had lodged a complaint , and subsequently withdrawn it , in r3 ashok nagar police station , so there is proof of this incident .
1)my first question – if the guy had really abused the caste of the girl , why did she withdraw the complaint
2)why did the girl marry him , if he abused her and her caste ,
now reply to this post DALIT NATION . lets see wat reply u have , nowadays dalit ppl , sc/st ppl have started taking advantage of law ,
dese ppl have become an unwanted burden to the society
tera baap said
first of all come n get some life you unwanted creature…!!!!
if you have a brain than use it… i can see the answer clear why she withdraw that statement… nd why she married him…
dude every coin has two sides…. you have just seen one… the truth behind this story is not what you thinking….
Kumarpushp said
Best way to bring peace in India to annihilate the hinduism from India which is bad for dalits and barbaric religion which give cow urine and cow shits to eat.India is being ruled by Hindus with help of Hindu news papers and Hindu electronic medias.lets 166 million dalits to convert to Islam,Buddhism and christians then all problems will solve in one stokes.Long live Dr Ambedkar and Jinnha sahab and great Aurangjeb who had librated to million of oppressed from barbaric hindu religion in India.
Uddipan said
“This is clearly a nefarious scheme in the name of bringing employment and development to the adivasis of jangalmahal. At the same time, there are reports that the Trinamool Congress is building its own private gangs in the area, emulating the example of the Harmad Bahini, and giving them equally ominous names, such as Bhairav Bahini (terrible force) At the same time, even after four months of coming to power, no efforts are being made to release the hundreds of adivasi men and women who had been arrested during the course of the joint forces operation in Jangalmahal and who are languishing in jail till date.” Monday, 22 August 2011 (Sanhati statement on the repressive situation in Jangalmahal)
Dear Friends, It has clear to us that, the KOLKATTA KALI is gradually taking position for sucking blood of the aboriginals. We made questions about the source of money during the Assembly Election she spent. Who supplied such huge amount of money? Which hidden agenda she is implementing establishing BHAIRAV BAHINI? As we know the RSS hooligans have set a target in the name of MISSION-30 another PARLAY (binasay cha duskritam) to kill the aboriginals. Is the Bhairav Bahini a planned preparation for that? Aryans used DURGA to kill the Asur king Manisur (they called Mahisasur). Rama killed Ravana using Bivishan and now the Aryan Government of West Bengal is planning to kill SC/ST, OBC and Minorities proving them Maoist! She announced that the youth who is agree to work for her two years in the village will get a job. 10000 of young boys and girls will be recruited to fight against Maoists in Jangalmahal. Is it not a voice of a Fascist? The flag of Gorkha Janamukti Morcha, All India Trinamool Congress and the Bhagua flag of RSS are being found flying together in Darjeeling and many places in West Bengal. Is it alarming us? SADHU SABDHAN.
Chayan said
You don’t have respect for even the personal life and decisions of the person you call your leader. What Babasaheb did was his decision. Who are you discussing and commenting on it? And all you people addressing women as whores are proof of your own low and perverse mentality. I pity your own women coz those who do not respect women hardly make any exception.I am so certain you are equally as abusive to women in your own homes. Why someone married and who someone married is the concer of the people getting married and their close ones. You have no business commenting on it and tarnishing his personal relationship. And all this talk of babasaheb having been trapped in a conspiracy? I am surprised that you question the intelligence and decision making capability of a great man such as Babasaheb. A true Dalit and Babasaheb’s follower would never have questioned a man who laid the foundation of the modern Indian Society. He would consider it a personal insult to make dirty the memory of Babasaheb. Most people here have not even cared to begin his name with a capital letter. Just shows how much you really respect him.
r r bag said
jai bheem…..dear sir…don’t waste your talent. plese try to work on other aspect of ambedkarism…to marry a brahamin girl is only work done by baba saheb ambedkar…he has also written constitution….dhamma diksha …you should work on it…thanks
Koustubh said
Itna Hi Guroor Hai Apne Buddhisam Aur ambedkar Pe To Ye Haramjadonki Biwiyaa Blue Colour Ka Sindoor Kyo Nai lagati..wo Kar Ke dikhaye Kar Ke Bolo Inhe—Ek Brahman ◘◘
Koustubh said
Itna sab Kuch Milne Ke Bawajood Bhi Ye reservations Wale Aage Nai Ja Pate, Kuch Kam Hi Nai Na Choda Inke Liye….Khud to Kuch Nai Kar Sakte Aur Jo Karta Hai aur aage jata Hai Usko sirf Gali Denge
Rajan said
I am not perticularly a cast cast kinda person. But u know I do have debate at times. I mean the above logic is flawed. It’s rather like blind faith. Further i wana tell u about a meeting with this American professor. As u dalits do, compared u ppl with blacks in America. And the professor said well blacks are a better race. They earned and fought for their place in society and never got it on a platter like Dalits. The advantage they got from this was they grew strong . Became proud of them selves. But Dalits still don’t have any pride and try and find it by marrying poor higher cast. I thought he was right what do u have to say. Plz don’t preach just give logical ans.
Raghavendra Srinath said
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar married a Brahmin woman because he must have tuned and synchronized with her on physical, mental and emotional levels. The question over here is not the caste of the woman as against the intrinsic qualities that she possessed. If the lady belonged to any other caste as well, he would have married her as a consequence of his non-belief in the caste system. The author of this article and the organisation that claims to support him needs to focus on what The Father of Indian Constitution has achieved for them and be thankful to him rather than making his betrothal a comical debate. And in regards to Dalits marrying Brahmin ladies, the reverse is quite prevalent in India today to the extant that Brahmin grooms are not getting brides to marry from their own community!
ijswamy said
The British ruled us . Indians for two centuries accepted their supremacy . The British ate beef and pork , married and divorced at will but still commanded respect of Hindus . Ambedkar also ate beef and pork but faced insult . To get over this and as a short cut to seek attention , married a Brahmin lady .
veni gopal said
Babasaheb was a politician. He set an example for fellow-dalits to follow by marrying a brahman. He hated brahmans but he was not exemplary he was a hypocrite.
i j swamy said
Ambedkar married a Brahmin woman to become famous. The lady consented with broad mind .
Dev... said
Nice Para but da facts are differ, why Babasaheb married to that women reason best known to him and RIP with him.
@ Kaustubh – trust you are a maniac – Ek Bramhan,
I started beliving that we are growing as nation equality n all, but i can see pepole who still hates “Dalits” cmmo’n guys wake up we are in 21st Century now, I am also little resistant to reservation, but the other side is that you ppl will bury us if there is no reservation for backward classes.
And for all kind info not only Ambedkar People gets the reservation, most of the Hindu backward classes also enjoying the reservation facility and it is seen that upper class people making fake certificates to enjoy the facilities.
Last : All human being are free to judge and it’s all their discretion to believe in God/Caste systeme or not and no caste, religion can bind them to some rituals and beliefs…
Sound minded people won’t argue, except fools and extra intellects…
prasad said
@Dev You know one thing reservation system was introduced only for 20 years!! but till now it is in act, how many years still you require to emerge out from this backward class??? because of this reservation many talented students from other communities are not getting good education……
tony said
Probably because chitpavan brahmins are the best looking girls among various brahmin communities.and yes this seems a good strategy.btw brahmins are 5 percent vanias e percent and kshatriyas 3 percent.together these forward castes are 10 percent.still a tiny minority.I am a christian dalit and I myself am arranged to marry a rajasthani brahmin girl.every dalit must do the same. Within 50 years the venal forward caste gene would have diluted to nothingness. Jai bhim.
Tripathi said
Had hai Narrow mind log ho tum log hazaro sal ki bar utha ke rajniti ki roti seko.
U are finished .
Brahmins are open mind and will grow in all field despite of reservation.
U look cricket ,Bollywood,International CEO(Indira Noyee,Vikram Pandit,sanjay Jha)),Big Banker and ruleed in main Dalit Leader Home Ram vilash paswan.
Apni Dalit Wife pe atyachar krta hai vo Brahmin lady ka raj hai uske ghar me
Yhi dekho ,Brahmin lady se shadi krke Ambedkar ji bhi Prabhavit hue the,every body knows this,Also Ram Vilash Paswan follow clist Hindu rituals due to Brahman wife influence
Dalit said
Hey first wash you ass with proper water we are not here to listen your lecturer, Ambedkar married to bramhin women so everybody should follow him or what , Ambedkar died on December 6, tell me dalits how many people are ready to die on that day. let us know the follower speak out give committment.
Ajay said
All dalit will marry to brahmin. JAI BHIM
prasad said
You f@#$, Brahmins are the strongest community you cannot harm a single brahmin, you fu#@ will remain backward even though the reservation system is continued till 100years…….
sangramsinh ghorpade said
thats exactly gautam buddha and mahavira both were upper caste kshatriya why you claim them.
Chatrpati Maharaj Shivaji who dont have a shudra(obc) cook is now claimed by lower caste hindus.
What he said to his minister krishnaji sabhsadji(author of sabhasad bakhar).
When Shivaji knew that by mistake a obc has been included as cook he said “AMHI CHITTOD CHE SESODE” (i am sesodia from chittod) and you think this “AVARNA”(casteless) man can be my cook.
BR AMBEDKAR was a fool thats all nothing more that , a man with no moral and no contribution anywhere.
“WE MUST THROW INDIAN CONSTITUTION IN DUSTBIN”
JAI SRI RAM, HAR HAR MAHADEV
JAI SHIVAJI RAJE
JAI MARATHA JAI BHAVANI
fuck u said
chumber sucks
ROHAN S MANE said
Please dont make any arguments .if we are fighting witheach other with these matters when we thing about country.all indians have one thinking only. Be first indian and last indian.
Shaukat said
Bhenchyot,
Jisane bhi yeh article likha hai usaki maa ka bhosada .
First Learn What Is Bramhimin and Dalit . What Mr.Ambedakar wants to say about Dalit . Mr. Ambedkar was never against Brahmins so why are you doing this nonsense .
U Dalit People are really Seek and due to that Mr.Ambedkar`s thouths are waste for you .
At least utilize Mr.Ambedkar`s thought in real life in terms of 10% only you life will glow like Brahmins .
Do not Spread your Voilence and cruel thoughts to this Entire World It show sWhy Dalis can not proceed further because of thse thorughts .
prasad said
Rightly said they cant think like Brahmin, think like Brahmin you will shine like anything…..
ferhan khan said
one thing is sure… jaisi karni vaisi bharni…. if brahmins have done something wrong earlier they will suffer today. in the same way if sudras do anything wrong they too will suffer again. i really want babasaheb to be reborn to see what thinking you people are having today
Amit said
For all those who commented on this post….
If you read some of the books and try to know about the same issue, you will come to know that all things will go against the Savita Ambedkar.
Till now Government of India did not make the ‘Death report’ public.
panchsheelrajput said
mr. r.k. naidu, i agree with you. don’t be let down your moral. more critics you get. think you are more successfull. because when some thing real comes out. people who want to hide is are hurt mostly & they try to be offensive. that’s why all writing against you are having some kind of ********(i can’t get right word) in there mind.
Rajvirendra Vashishtha said
Mr. RkNaidu I do agree with you that Mr. Ambedkar was( hopefully ambedkar was not his caste) very much man of words and deeds, then how come his teachings and acts can go wrong. You demanded brahmin wives for you. LOL. She won’t be brahmin any more but if brahmin man will marry any sudra, she will become brahmin. any how my issue is not marrieage but Mr. Ambedkar who according to you was “Babsaheb can never be wrong. There is a message in each and every action of his life” then why the reservation among you have taken 60 years to continue and still demanding more. are you and your community need more reservations and still keep on begging for more.
need not to explain you about my views about castism but fact is it isnot brahmins who are pulling strings but people like you are.
tanhaa said
Rajvirendra Vashishtha,
d’u remember that hit dialogue in film “Kaante” where mahesh manjrekar is begging..”mmmmmmm mmmmm mmmmore, plz gimmme mmmmmore.!”
no offence:)
Adarsh said
guys this country can be changed by us .we are the one this nation belongs too, in my opinion reservation system has to change , it should be given to those who are really in need of that not on caste basis but on his survival conditions,his earnings.poor family people should get chance may be from whichever caste he belongs too.
tanhaa said
in countries like France, the teachers devote special attention if a student is not ablel to understand the concept. i believe that the Dalits are naturally un-intelligent due to a long period of sub-ordinatuion, and as such, they should be given special attention during primary education, which may bring a cultural uplift in them, thus eradicating the feeling of oppression as well optimise their intelligence.
this system can bring changes just in two generations, which will also save a lot of unrest among indian society as well as assure that right person is there at right place.
-tanhaa
prasad said
Rightly said, even my friend is a Dalit, I don’t treat him as Dalit even though I am Brahmin, common don’t just judge blindly
maharashtrian said
destroy the bramhin. suck the mugal and the English. Hail dalitnation.
NIMISH said
oh come on ….. stop this. he didnt marry a brahmin but he married a lady whom he liked . That she was a brahmin is a mere “co-incidence”.
to destroy the brahmin caste and all is non sense.
In fact you people should learn from him that even though Babasaheb was a dalit leader he did not reject a lady only because she was a brahmin. Babasaheb opposed the caste inequality not common brahmin people.
Dharmveer said
No wonder that it is recommended to beat up these Dalits to keep them in their good behaviour like a ass.
Mohsin said
Breeding out the high castes like Brahmins would destroy India. The brahmins contain the highest concentration of intelligence, after thousands of years of immaculate breeding. They are the superelite that has formed the technology, pharmaceutical, metal industry, etc companies. It is necessary to keep that 115+ IQ class. The reason is because India has a low average IQ population. If India was like China where the average IQ is high, India would not need a superelite high class. However, its IQ is more like South America or the middle east. Without a elite intellectual class, India would be nothing more than an overpopulated version of those countries.
The whole solution of marrying based on the individual and not on caste is also deadly and wouldn’t work on a large scale. Human beings tend to be hypogamous – that is, intelligent people tend to marry less intelligent people, since such people are more freely available and tend to lend themselves more easily to more successful individuals. If the Brahmins, being a high IQ group as they are, were to turn loose and marry anyone based on marriage, the incidence of them tending to marry people with lower IQ’s would be higher than those with higher IQs. That is how hypogamity has always worked and its no different in India. This is one of the reasons intelligent and successful fathers 70+ percent of the time have less successful sons (these people usually marry spouses less intelligent than themselves). However, since the Brahmins are compelled to marry people in their own caste, even those who have low standards in choosing their marriage partners (those who do not properly evaluate the intellectual abilities of their spouse, an all too common incident), will be far less likely to end up with someone who will irrevocably destroy the power of that person’s lineage, since even those a whole standard deviation below the average IQ are still around the average of the western world and east asia.
Social equality and welfare are nice, but there are other ways to achieve them. However, creating a social system where the very people that are tthe very soul that differentiates your country from any other third world country, is national suicide.
Mohsin said
in my last paragraph I meant, “However, creating a social system that eliminates the very people that are the very soul that differentiates your country from any other third world country, and which bring your country its unique success, is national suicide.”
Kishore said
Inter caste marriage is the only option to eradicate caste.both Gandhiji & Babuji were at first did not fully understood the conspiring brahminism.When they did they were both…..
i j swamy said
Ramvilas Paswan supporting Deve Gowda as PM said in Loksabha ” see we have not allowed a single BRAHMIN to become a minister in our cabinet ”
Brahminophobia is a serious disease .
tanhaa said
roflolz!!
The author of this articles appears to be a very unscientific fellow. If the author manstruated every month, he would have been knowing the stress and torture a women faces in these times. Brahmins might have been knowing the fact, and as such Brahmin women were not allowed to enter the kitchen or do any work in this period.
The Dalits, being oppressed (same as the pops had oppressed the Christians in dark ages, and the muslims had in times of Aurangzeb and other tyrrants!), would have not be knowing the fact, or being very poor, they would be having no option other than to work for survival.
About marrying a brahmin girl, even after 60 long years (its the age a grandson turns grandpa) the Dalits have not come out of their stupid mentality of having a brahmin girl. i have come across dalits who bost to have a Brahmin girl-friend!
Infact, in today’s society, Dalits themselves have been raising barriers among themselves. What should i tell a girl who says that since she is an SC, she can’t marry an OBC, ’cause they belong to a lower class!
tanhaa said
i can also prove that caste-system was a scientific system, but i am not going to do it at a place which says that Dr.Ambedkar was the best leader after Gautam Buddha, without giving any reason for that.
the author should also not the fact that the entire existence of Dr.Ambedkar was due to his teacher, who again was a Brahmin.
Author Saheb, what would you like to say about the fact that our constitution is a Ctrl-C Ctrl-V of British constitution?
There was a system of reservation in British constitution, and so it is in ours. How can u call Dr. saheb a great leader if he has not been able to think a newer system for the Dalits? I believe that Chanakya who saved our land from Alexandar and Mahatma Gandhi who brought us freedom from the expansionits Britain, Vallabhbhai Patel who combined more than 350 states into India and Lal-Bahadur Shastri who digified our nation are greater leaders than Dr. Ambedkar.
prasad said
I want to tell everyone that Dr.B.R.Ambedkar tried his level best to bring the lower caste people forward, but till now his principles failed. Dr.vajeepaye is a Brahmin, sheela dixit is brahmin, look at their contribution to India, don’t think blindly open your eyes……..
tanhaa said
Is there any documentary evidence that he had tried his best?
he has failed to recognise the fact that a mere reservation system cannot uplift the Dalits.
its like breaking the legs of fast-runners so that the lames can overtake them!
moreover, u yourself agree that his principles have failed, now what should you call someone whose principles have failed? Hanibbal was a great warrior thats an another thing, and that he was unsuccessfull in protecting his country thatz a totally different thing/
lotus said
No one is perfect ,Even God (if it exists, whether unique?).
{For God created discriminations and discriminators }
Buddha neither accepts nor rejects the concept of GOD.
Babasaheb Ambedkar was Human being , Since his intellectual capacity was way above than most of people and had a versatile personality , freed the dalits from the clutches of slavery.
He wanted a homogenised society (Indian Society), This is the one of the reason for marrying Dr.Sharda Kabir (a.k.a Dr.Savita Ambedkar) , major being his ailment (diabetic) ,
When the Mahars do not marry Mangs his vision is destroyed by Neo-Buddhists.
Before embarrassing Buddhism he said No religion is perfect on 14 oct 1956.
He even discarded “tripitik” .
His every word and or sentence is not irrational.
He was genius.
Moreover Hindu is not Religion is Misnomer , a Geographical definition , Here every Caste asserts to be Nation in itself , One caste hates other , Even so called “Sawarna” and so called “Kshudra ” amongst themselves fight.
It also seems that Every Caste is Religion in itself.
Why India never was a union except for a brief time of that of Mighty Mauryans is precisely because of this.
The Founder of Mauryan Empire became Jain , and the Greatest of Indian Emperors Ashoka became Buddhist , This itself explains loop holes in Hinduism and why Hindu way of life cannot unite country.
Thought Jainism and Buddhism are a thought from Hindu Society itself
Jainism seems to be assertion of Kshatriyas to assert spritual superiority over the Bhrahmins , so believe in rebirth and soul , and do not believe in god.
Buddha talks everything on ration principle , strangely he is called as the 9 avatar of Vishnu though he is not worshipped by almost all of hindus .and Buddhism was persecuted by Hindus (especially Shungas , Shashank etc.)
Once Vivekananda was asked who is the Greatest Spiritual Guru or Guide
He Answered “Buddha”.
But never followed Buddhism , and was a devout Bhrahmin.
One last note on other thought school within Hindu
Sikhism – was a way to improve hinduism , In Principle Sikhism says all caste are equal , it doesnot remove caste system for their are Mazhabi(only same religion) Sikhs , Raidasi Sikhs(Chamar converts) and other backward also the ramgarhia etc.
Moreover the concept of Dalitistan or Dalit Nation is nonsense since dalit is not a monolith term there is lot of diversity within itself and they do not follow Semitic religions like the Christianity or Islam.
lotus said
Some typographical errors
But never followed Buddhism , and was a devout Bhrahmin “follower”.
He was kayastha by birth every one knows
Buddha talks everything on ration”al” principle
lotus said
Mr.Moderator is this only ” Mahar ” Portal? and other voices are not heard by not allowing post freely implies you do not believe in freedom of speech .
Babasaheb was Mahar by birth , but All Mahars are not Babasaheb !
MrIndianAtheist said
Too many irresponsible comments in this blog. First and foremost, neither Dr Ambedkar nor any responsible Dalit leader considered people born in Brahmin caste as their enemy. Their fight was not against people but the ideology named Manuwad, Bhramani-Kawa(in Marathi).
Why I think so? Because I know for a fact that Ambedkar’s core committee involved in Kalaram Mandir and Mahad satyagraha had people born in brahmin caste. Ambedkar marrying a Brahmin doctor is a perfect example of this.
Secondly there are people who are in denial about existence of caste system,Manuwad and its horrible manifestations in today’s India and sometimes even claim caste system to be perfect way of life. Such people can very easily be defeated in debates.
Finally people who claim conspiracy in death of Dr Ambedkar are doing a disservice to the core cause. Ambedkarite politics should not be based on conspiracy theories but more on facts in today’s society. You don’t need a conspiracy theory to prove that caste system is very much alive in top institutions in India like IIT and AIIMS, suicide notes of 18 students in these institutions are more than enough for it.
SR said
First of all all these people do not know the reality.. Blaming brahmins is very easy since they are peaceful. Most of the atrocities and massacres of dalits were done by non brahmin upper castes and OBCs. The most recent dalit massacre in Srikakulam in AP was done by the kapu castes who are OBCs. Ranvir sena in Bihar was run by Rajputs and Bhumihars. In Tamil Nadu- Thevars- powerful OBCs kill dalits mercilessly and exploit them no end. In North- Haryana and Punjab- Upper caste sikhs still repress dalit sikhs mercilessly. Where are the brahmins involved in all this . Foolish dalits should realize this and stop being idiotic and not tag along with OBCs- they are your worst enemies.Brahmins have not done any harm to dalits- it is your so called brethren p – OBCs who kik your arse routinely and you enjoy it.
drsmak said
hey america is superpower bcoz thers no caste system..there ppl can marry any1 ..in india v r bound to our caste..science proves that u get better generation if u marry a person frm different genes…lower caste ppl in india could nt contribute just bcoz they r nt allowed 2…babasaheb gave them freedom to study n give them oppurtunity to cum in nation s main stream…in 60 yrs of independence u cn see the development just bcoz every person is workin on same level..lets past few more 20 or 30 yrs..u wld see dat den reservation wld nt required..its 2 built a strong nation wher v can proudly say dat v r indians…not v r proud to be brahmins or rajputs.lets forget our caste..just think v r ppl created by one god..v have to marry other caste person to make india most powerful country..babasaheb said this…v hv 2 destroy caste system..
jay Bharat said
Ghor kalyug chal rha h…Reservation hatne k baad tum untouchable,mother fucker,ki ma chudni hi hai….dont boil our blood again otherwise still we are able to eliminate you from earth.
Amudhan said
Many so called social reformers are speaking about Dalits and other social downtrodden people marrying Brahmin girls, My suggestion is why a dalit woman or a woman from a downtrodden community marry a Brahmin boy, I am sure no one in the dalit or any other socially backward community will agree with my statement , because they also consider woman as personal property of men. Manu himself is in favour of Intercaste marriages in a limited way
Vijay said
Very nice.
vishal v. doiphode said
first and last enemy of backward class in India is ” JOURNALIST “
ijswamy said
There is no caste system in Pakistan , Bangladesh , Uganda , Somalia and Syria . Why are these countries in trouble ? The troubles are self inflicted.USA elected a half black president without any “ambedkarism”.USA is full of hard working people who never seek preferential treatment on gender or colour . Please work hard to get rich . You will all be happy .
ijswamy said
Among dalits there are castes .1)Funeral helpers 2)shoe menders 3)polygamous poly androus speakers of scriptless languages and 4)scavangers.. Begin intercaste marriages among these .
Who are you said
Of all the dalit communities in India, the Maharashtrian Dalit community is the most arrogant (and also the most gross). Every corner every square is an Ambedkar chowk, an Ambedkar road. Why don’t these pseudo Buddhists just cast aside their fake religion, and erect temples of Ambedkar and create their own slum religion – Ambedkarism. Please, stop polluting the great Buddhist religion. Every time you see a Buddhist temple in Maharashtra, it lies next to a Sulabh Shauchalaya and next to a waste dump or a nala with pigs wandering all over. Forget Buddha, you guys know nothing of Buddhism, just worship your Ambedkar, and keep wallowing in self pity against the Brahmins. Pathetic Maharashtrian Dalits ! Thank God Ambedkar didn’t choose Christianity or Islam. Those great religions have been spared from this crass arrogance.
Madhosingh said
I feel pity on you poor brahmins. You dont have courage to fight such craps like chumbr.
Mr. Chumbr I dont have any issue with what you say about brahmins. BUT dont target our gods. If you have guts then say these things infront of a kshatriya. We are not like stupid brahmins to give you a lecture how we are not bad. We know very well how to kick your ass. The day you meet any kshatriya you will come to know what our gods are.
unfortunatelybornashindu said
Kshatriya??? All other castes are but stooges created by the brahmins to make sure that they are always at the top and get all the benefits. Kshatriya is supposed to fight to preserve the “brahmins”. Dumbass, if you have that much balls, go and fight with the enemies of your country, If you want to come and fight with someone who makes fun of hindu gods? Let me tell you.. You know what shiva stands for? It is the phallus or “dick” if you do not understand the word. So when you worship shiva, yoi are worshiping a dick. Come on and let me see your kshatriyatva. asshole! Be a part of the bahujan society. Get rid of the brahminism. Do not get fucked in the head with all hindu god bullshit and be human. Hindu gods were invented by brahmins so they can hoodwink the rest of the society into believeing them and obeying them and feeding these beggars for free, without any work.
madhu said
brahmins are like cobra…..bybirth itself they having the superiority complex. be careful with them…. selfish people……….
i j swamy said
Brahmins are superior ..Worship them .
rakesh katka said
olden days are golden days because there was no violence. After damaging the caste system violence has been evolved and in olden days our grand fathers used to live for 100’s of years and to be frank brahmins had prayed for welfare all castes but not selfish.
IF IT IS CONTINUED LIKE THIS EVERYONE BECOME THEIR OWN LEADER. IF YOU LET THIS GO ON AND INDIA WILL NOT BE INDIA.
BRITISH PEOPLE FOR THEIR RULE ESTABLISHMENT HAD THE ONLY OPTION TO DIVIDE THE CASTE SYSTEM AND MAKE INDIANS APART.
Nagaraj said
I hate ambedkar
amberkarite said
I pity you…
Rashpal Bhagat said
What about the the propaganda by the Nagpur based fascist Brahmanical Rumor Spreading Shop (RSS) that Ambedkar Ji owed his academic excellence to his Bra-Man teacher
siddharth said
THE GREAT DR bhimrao ramji ambedkar is doing a marrige with dr savita because he is not a dalit and babasaheb is take a advise to his well wisher and friend he is tolk to many time to baba plese do a marrige because he is tieard and ill long time but babasaheb is tock all the dalit are tolk a baba {father} to me how i do a marrige but when dr savita is offer to babasaheb about marrige than he is agreed nothing als………
vishal said
dalit mostly jatav and mahar by not marry balmiki or st womens because you think we are supreme and high in status
eatmyshit said
okay.. lets finish it off ! you just wanted to listen this..
we upper caste persons will rule the roost and will keep on fucking the hell out of you and your lower castes
today, tomorrow and forever. just mark my words.low caste pigs….eat my shit and wash the toilet with your baba sahib!
we were the rulers.. and we would rule and keep on fucking you n your women hahahahahaha !!
srik said
fuk this article and t author . Dalit dogs wont get girls to marry ll mate pigs and Die
Abhishek said
I would like to state a comment regarding How and why the differentiation happen.
Let ‘s say about this : If you are born in Brahmin family or Ksahtriya family or Vaishya family or Shudra family, Do we become Brahmin, Khsatriya, Vaishya or Sudra. If we born in Muslim,Hindu or Catholic Do we become religious person. if we practice we do become like it.
Now a days people make a follow with the caste and Religion. No one is ready to practice the Religion or Caste (if require).
It’s like everyone wants to become Catholic but no one wants to be like a Jesus Christ. No one is interested to gain a Spirituality.
Differentiation happen because we are having a Psychological effect; We don’t get a true effect. We don’t search the truth of life and it’s meaning.
Secondly, This is a kali-yuga period where our energy level toward our brain get vanish easily. Our genes are becoming weaker day by day.More the energy level more the stabilty in our brain. more Stabilty the more understanding. More the understanding more we v’ll keep a good relation with the people.
Just stating, you become a Brahmin if you gain sprituality, which will help to gain sacred knowledge and last achieving the simplicity. Simplicity is the code of nature itself. If a Brahmin gain these things all he/she will never discriminate the people of this world. This is called the true Brahminism.
I will say a Person who create the Religion is always an Intelligent Person and the person who follow its is a Foolish guy.
Practice the Religion at least we will get a Half intellect and Half Foolishness.
Have a a happy life****
liferuinedbyreservation said
it is obvious human nature that no one rejects extra benefit and reservation is extra benefit.i think it is reservation why a dalit student thinks he has to do lesser hardwork than a upper caste thats where kamchori begins and here they go again on path of …
statistically said…there are far more people belongs to intellectual society of upper caste than dalits
if dalits really want to rise then rise with wholly self respect with not the stigma of resernvation
ambedkar what did by bringing reservation to indian constitution is shame to indian constitution
he is fucker who firstly fucked our newly independent bharat ma
unfortunatelybornashindu said
It is those “upper caste” fuckers like you and your forefathers have already fucked bharat mata enough. That is why it was in the clutches of the British and Muslim rules in the first place for hundreds of years.
The brahmin beggar is the first kamchor of the highest order, who bullshits people and wants to be fed for free at the expense of the rest of the society.
I am Upper Caste you are a lowly said
What were you dalit and obc fuckers doing when india was fucked. you dalit and obc’s the biggest group of morons in the world if we beleive in that they were subjugated by some 15% upper caste for centuries. you should be ashamed of your filthy heritage. go clean toilets you bunch of morons.
i j swamy said
I am Upper Caste you are a lowly .Worship me .
unfortunatelybornashindu said
The asshole who commented about asking dalits to go and clean toilets, and who does not have balls to even ask for a reply back. Listen motherfucker, I have to use filthy language for trash like you. I am in a position in life where I can make hundreds like you “brahmins” to come and clean my ass with your toungue, which is what most of your forefathers did since centuries, while begging and at the same time calling themselves “intellectuals”. People do not get subjugatedby numbers but by mindset, which is what was created by your forefathers, by the bullshit planted in the hindu mythologies and stories. You piss-shit and piece of garbage, you are the one with filthy heritage of beggars and eating off others’ labors. Your kind are the ones who have turned India into a shithole and beggar nation, for centuries. If I know you in person, I will wipe my ass with you, you dumbfuck brahmin. India was fucked because of assholes like you and your forefathers who were more busy dividing society in the name of religion, myths and gods and make sure that there never was a unity. The piss-eating brahmin shitbagm if you have the brains to read history, go and read and
understand wny India was subjugated. Then go and read Indian military history and find out how many medals were given to beggar brahmins and how many were given to those from non-brahmin class. To me the brahmins are the only upper class in India, since most of the so-called kshatriyas and others were just laborers, busy providing the fat pigs called brahmins. The hinduism is a classic exmaple of the story “Animal Farm”, where the pigs usurp all the control and of course the brahmins are even worse than pigs.
dalits are morons it is proved said
stop hallucinating dalit moron. it is empirically proved that dalits are the most idiotic bunch of morons as a community. go worship fat ass babasaheb.
i j swamy said
Unfortunatelybornashindu is a piglet .So f***s mother , sister and grand mother . Pigs procreate that way .
tutunmatun said
ohhhhhhhhh … i think u r guessing all this………
u know u r so funnyy…..
pehele jo hua vo chod … abhi kya ho raha hai dekh….
unfortunatelybornashindu said
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar married a “chutpavan” brahmin woman since these “chutpavans” are an extremely opportunistic people and the woman must have found an opportunity to take advantage of the person of his stature. They will do anything to take advantage of others and grab an opportunity. When a brahmin woman lies down under some man from other religion or hindu lower caste, she is simply wants to take advantage of the position of that person. I have not seen any examples of a “chutpavan” or otherwise brahmin whores marrying some less educated “lower-caste” person., althougjh they might do so if the man is from their own or higher brahmin sub-caste.
They will always match the gotra-mutra-chut to make sure that their “purity is preserved”.
Ambani family comes from a lower caste in hinduism but I doubt a single brahmin bitch will let of an opportunity to marry him, since the money that Ambanis have “purifies” them. Similarly every brahmin priest will go and lick Ambanis’ ass to make a few bucks but then turn around and say that they are still lower caste. These fucking beggars bhikari dogs, somehow claimed the top position in the hindu society by misleading the society, and as a result India as a whole country has been turned into a beggar nation, psychologically and otherwise.
those motherfuckers who curse dalits, and other “lower-caste” socitey should know that Dr. Ambedkar made a great contribution to India. He made sure that India only divided between India and Pakistan and not in more countries. So called “Dalits” and “lower-castes” in hindu religion consitute almost 60+% of hindu society. These higher-caste specially the brahmin faggots will be really picking and licking shit, if this great mass of so-called “hindu lower-castes” were to choose a religion which is like a muslim or christiniaty rather than budhism. Those who harp about reservation, remember that if these brahmin faggots were made to do the same thing that their forefathers made the dalits do for thousands of years, by concoting a shit religion like hinduism, within 50-100 years, they will turn into the same situation. This upper-caste hindu trash will treat their own brethren like shit but when they are abroad they get upset when someone calls then sandnigger or blacky or some such. India is today the only country with still an unwritten apartheid policy embedded in their religion, which is worse than in South Africa, or in Hitler’s Germany. Those hindus from upper-caste who defend their casteistic outlook should be treated the same as supporters of a Nazism or crime against humanity and should be treated accordingly.
Ameeth said
India wil again rise to the power … only if u people stop npn sense thinking about caste creed etc ..dalit vs brahmin ,,,, remember there r 3 ways to enslave a person or country
1) Debt
2) WAR
3) RELIGION (Most effetive of them all )
dont talk like fools and waste ur time debating on caste and creed
instead ,try to solve the present financial crises ,poverty and many devis gripping our country ,save our motherland from captalism
jai hind
i j swamy said
Dalits are misguided by foolish stupid peers . They took undue advantage of Ambedkarism . They boost the population of their caste to keep their numbers high . Higher population preseves “undeserving”reservation system”. More dalits , more reservation , more contempt for merit , more poverty .This viscious circle is dalit made . Mr.Ambedkar wanted “reservations ” only for 25 yrs . His kin want it eternally .
unfortunatelybornashindu said
Yes. Of course.. Brahmins means more merit. Bahujan samaj means less merit or mediocrity. You asshole, the vicious circle is that your forefathers and the hindu religion created for a large section of humanity in the name of religion and god, that they do not deserve to be human and no right to dignity. For generations they have not had a chance to even educate themselves, You dumb fuck brahmin shit, there are more than enough people from bahujan samaj who will kick ass of brahmins “intellectuals” like you, in every intellectual endeveour. Most of the so-called superiority and merit of you motherfuckers comes from propaganda and bullshit spread by bastards like you since most of the media is controlled by so-called “intellectuals” like you. Your forefathers did not do any thing other than regurgigate the bullshit in the vedas for begging, and cheating the rest of the society to make money and keep themselves at the top of the hierarchy. Ambedkar wanted the reservations for limited time, but at same time he was even doubtful that untouchability and Indian apartheid will be eradicated during this period. Go and check the census of India, and then come and talk of numbers. For me most of the society excluding brahmin class is more or less backwards. The so-called warriors or
kshatriyas were and have been used as a weapons against the rest of the society to make sure that brahmins retain the control. Except that this class is too short-sighted how they have been used for centuries. Along the lines the peshwas usurped the power by cheating the maratha kings. Do you know who faught most of the wars with muslims, during this time. It was bahujan samaj , including even Mahars who were considered untouchable and even today are, and not brahmins. Even Shivaji said that the brahmins are one of the most useless class of people who were not fit for any thing. Brahmins are like a parasites who feast on the dead bodies, which is what the hindu religion is.
Dalith said
Brahmins are lords.
i j swamy said
Worship Brahmins
Niraj Tripathi said
R.K. Naidu. IAS. qualify civil services exams by reservation. however he have no ability to pass out it by merit. his lower level brain express these type of ideas. .
i j swamy said
Now quotas for SCs in promotions ? This proves AMBEDKARISM defeated itself and failed . We need a NEW FRESH CONSTITUTION . Unfortunately everything in India is Dalitised – subdalitised – and made it necessary to to have a new fresh CONSTITUTION drafted by broad minded equality minded people like me . Ambedkarism must be thanked for disproving itself by the sheer STUPIDITY
Kumarpushp said
You hindus are moran even can not write a constitution.go temple and drink cow urine and screw your daughter like your god Brahma.
R.Puratchimani said
Ambedkar married brahmin women at the age of 57. The only reason for the marriage is Ambedkar become weak(sick). Just to take care of him he married that doctor.
forjeet said
Duties of Dalits
Stop praying those silly IDOLS
Don’t waste time & money on the name of devotion
Don’t encourage their financial strength like VAASTU,STONES,RAASULU ,MUHURTAM…
Most of them are their community only
Don’t go their stupid places and donate money (temples)
Don’t deceive by their foolish Mantras in ur MARRIAGEs, DEATH RITUALS…..
Do’s
If u have time just read their foolish books u can understand how lame u r believing on those
If whoever you r just follow your COMMOMSENCE simple it can give you the reason behind that
Just follow everybody in the UNIVERSE ARE EQUAL remember it EVERYBODY IS EQUAL
So if you are stop giving them importance they are not feel you as a inferior
limbesh savant said
I HAD READ ALL THE ABOVE COMMENTS AND I DO COME TO AN CONCLUSION THAT ALTHOUGH WE ALL HIGHLY LEARNED ONES BUT WE ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS ,WE ARE STILL DIVIDED IF WE LOOK UPON HISTORY OF INDIA WE COME TO KNOW FROM CENTURIES INDIA IS BEING RULED BY OUTSIDERS WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNITED,WE ALL ARE SEGREGATED,ALEXANDER INVADED,THEN MOGHALS,THEN BRITISH,AND NOW THE POLITICIANS,IN THE NAME OF CASTE, RELIGION,CREED,THEY DIVIDED US AND RULE US,I AM FEELING ASHAMED,AFTER READING ABOVE STATEMENTS THAT WE STILL ARE CRITCISING EACH OTHER,THE HIGHER CASTE ONES TO LOWER CLASSES AND LOWER CLASS ONES TO HIGHER CLASSES,WHY NOT WE STRIVE HARD TO BECOME ONE. WHY NOT WE HAVE COMPASSION FOR EACH OTHER.
IN ABOVE REFERENCE SOME ONE IS ABUSING,HINDUISIM,ISLAM,CHRISTAINITY,ALL RUBBISH WHY NOT WE TAKE THE BENEFICIAL IDEOLOGY IN THESE PHILOSOPHIES AND MOVE ON TO LIVE A BETTER LIFE.AT LAST I WANT TO SAY ALL THAT WE ALL ARE HUMAN BEINGS WITH SAME SIMILARITIES,IT IS WE WHO DIVIDE OUR SELF IN NAME OF RELIGION.
how do people get pregnant said
I’m impressed, I must say. Seldom do I come across a blog that’s both educative and entertaining, and let me tell you,
you’ve hit the nail on the head. The problem is something not enough men and women are speaking intelligently about. I am very happy that I found this in my search for something regarding this.
dalitnation said
Thank you very much. It is people like you who keep us going.
bharat said
well, who are you thanking..its mr.”how do people get pregnant”. A big LOL Bcos of u and ur supporters!!!
Krutarth Trivedi said
Well M a Brahmin too….and am Proud to be one….I have read comments..so many people call Bramhins “A Snake” and they have shared many negative things….
But
All the counter answers which are given by Snakes have no negativity….this is culture…”Sanskaar”….
In our “shaashtras” its clearly mentioned that there are four varnas
Shudra, Vaishyas, Kshatriyas and Brahmins…
our elders were not morons….they have studies and Analise so many things and after that they made “Samaaj”.
And about brahmins….refer the history…..every time when nation needs a change….it was a Brahmin who took initiative….
If you are not “Born Brahmin”…its not your fault….but You can be a Brahmin by KARMA…..
If you cant do any good things for nation….atleast dont dilute other immature ppl…
Jai Hind..!
Jai Bhole!
anand said
baba saheb is great
Vidyadhar said
By writing this type of bloody things, you ppl irrespecting your leader. Your every words shows what is ur culture. So i think its waste to scold u, if i do that sin also effect us only. better we should keep the distance from this type of bloody ppl……
Higgs boson said
No doubt the blogger has got an IQ less than aboriginal(i.e less than 60) just like most of the dalit people.Brahmin girls are highest educated and get most freedom.In Bengal they have 100% literacy and produced some famous intellectuals such as Sarojini Chatterjee,Kadambini Ganguly,Mahasweta Devi,Or youngest Pulitzer winner Jhumpa Lahiri or linguist like Gayetri chakraborty Spivak and legendary sitarist Ravishankar;s daughter Nora Jones(9 Grammy winner).
The reason Indian average Iq is only 85 because of extremely low IQ Dalit population.
Read this blog_Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle
Or Steve Sailer’s blog of Indian IQ.
razor said
well said .. the three indian nobel prize awardees are also brahmins
C.V.Raman-Invention of raman effect,Venkatraman Ramakrishnan,Srinivasan ramanujan are some of the south indian brahmins. brahmin haters can suck cocks.
bharat said
People who hate Bhramins are just who cant do anything on their own..U dont have enough capacity and in turn ,u ppl want reservations in everything..and if u are provided with reservation in education and equal opurtunities and still u want quota in jobs and now quota in promotions too…sick of u..and Mind ur own language..Its u people who are still amking the caste system exist these days nt Bhramins
ARYAN said
india is alive only because of brahmins……dalits are dumbass without reservation …..how can one write such an article…..bullshit ….this shows how mean minded these dalits are…sick of these people…misusing the constitution…writing anything….and about brahmin women…those beautiful ladies would never like to marry a black uneducated dalit…..dalits are unnecessary weight on my motherland..
uthaman said
Yes, Mr. Aryan says right. Mr. Chumber try to do something useful. if you want to help dalits, then go and approach them and ask them to go to schools and colleges and help them to acheive good things compete with others in the race of life. sitting somewhere and abusing others and their beliefs sentiments are not the right way. Behave decently and help the Dalits to improve themselves. Good thoughts will help to upgrade one self. Spitting hate on the other socieity digging the past, what are you going to acheive?? if you feel Hinduism not good for you, better chose some other one?? or better be an athiest, don’t hurt others. you think that the dalits are oppressed in the past- now they are paid by way of reservation- in the name of the caste, and most of the castes are enjoying reservation boon- except a few including brahmin in india. then what do you want??? do you want to kill all the upper caste people and drive out from the country?? that means you want to make an internal war between the people of india- to break the peace. better you go can join our neighbouring enemies to betray our mother land. You can dream a lot it is your liberty. First of all learn to love your nation- for instance i say, do you think everything will be in order and for good, if the country in hands of the dalits??? Can you tell me this country will not be again ruled by aliens or invaders because of misrule and weak rule??? Don’t forget that lazy people will always be lazy only. Lion is always lion only- and likewise other things i.e., animals, birds, tree, things and so humans. you can not change a cat to be a tiger or a lion.
please understand and do service to the dalits usefully. i love all the people regardless of caste and relegions. do not hate anyone.
uthaman said
Also Mr. Chumberji, i challenge that dalit people cannot do without reservation in their studies?? it is true. do you know that how many uppercaste (brahmin) people are struggling for jobs-even they got good ranks in their studies?? because of the reservation they are pushed back, and the government gives opportunity to dalits and others in the name of caste and discouraging merit and good quality and attitude. please think is it appreciable that you get a job in the name of your caste, and not by your quality- is honest? that is also a kind of robbery- stealing other’s right chance. come on run run run and win the race. don’t be the last in the race and ask the cup because of the caste. i think dalits need this reservation system for another millions of years. surely, we are not jealous, not begging for reservation. we know that we will compete and win. it is better to see the right place (any foreign country) where merits are respected, appreciated and good hope for future. But, please don’t trouble in foreign countries also, to implement reservation- then also you can not compete and win the race. my pity on you my dear chumberji.
cutie said
Why is that ? I know a lot of brahmins who perform rituals and do pujas who can not even utter a sanskrit word properly – they think that people dont understand sanskrit.
but some people corrected several Brahmins. and after a survey – i found out that these Brahmins are actually school/college dropouts who can not even pass 12th std. and they have very tiny knowledge about religion you can not even discuss a thing with them as they don’t know anything .and I wonder * why Hindu gods need “ONLY Brahmin Preists”
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
Please read an very revealing article by Sri R.A. Jahagirdar titled, “Dr. Ambedkar and Brahmins” published in the Radical Humanist, August 2003 issue.
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
@Aryan, I agree with you regarding the mean-mindedness of the so-called ‘dalit’ activists – at least as it is apparent in this thread. In olden days such conduct would end in total extermination by their opponents or enemies (victors) but perhaps due to the flexibility and relatively compassionate nature of Brahmanic/khatriya, etc. victors, they were not totally exterminated [as was done by the cruel European victors against the Red Indians and Latin American natives, etc.] but relegated to lower categories of the caste system. Caste system with all its faults is also a saviour of various [defeated] tribes and ethnic entities in a hierarchy and to this day preserves a sort of ethnic identity of the original inhabitants and first immigrants etc. Of course in modern conditions and changed circumstances it needs a radical change.
Nimish said
Hearty Congratulations Mr.Author for your imagination…If Honorable Babasaheb were alive today,certainly he would have been shocked after reading this…..Instead of using this imagination for such nasty posts if you use it for welfare of Dalits this country and Dalit society will always be grateful to you….Unfortunately vindictive people as the author of this post are misguiding Dalit society and creating hatred among society……The root cause of penury and sufferings of Dality society lies in this attitude of educated Dalits
Bharat said
I got the answer, Indian government failed miserably to uplift dalits based on the constitution provided by Shri Ambedkar. So they started pulling rest all to dalits level so there will be no difference in population. I favor there should not be difference in people by birth but Indian government disservice to population will win the genies book of world record.
cutie said
Some stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He didnt put any human in high and low category..This cheap things only created by some mad people itself who live in India..and they be proud by called themselves hindu..I am also hindu but I feel bad when every person who proudly said they are hindu but their thinking is so narrow minded..now its depend on human what they want to become Devil or Angel..Nobody is lower and higher by caste or religion..they become high and low by their behavior..Reservation should be stop itself when you all leave this stupid casteism..Say no caste and no community..All are hindu who live in hindustaan understood..
Mas Morgan said
Dr Ambekharukku Jai
shashank said
TO MY DALIT BRO AND SIS….pls don’t give unnecessary respect to any brahmin ,jitna respect doge utna tumko darpok aur neecha samjhenge….no shukla ji .pandey ji……..call shukla aur pandey like…..
coz ye log izzat k kabil nhi h..give respect only to dalits and obc`s ,,,,and never help any brahmin……..
shashank said
TO MY DALIT BRO AND SIS….pls don’t give unnecessary respect to any brahmin ,jitna respect doge utna tumko darpok aur neecha samjhenge….no shukla ji .pandey ji……..call shukla aur pandey like…..
coz ye log izzat k kabil nhi h..give respect only to dalits and obc`s ,,,,and never help any brahmin………………..
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
Exactly so. Not only for Brahmins but to any person unnecessary respect need not be and should not be given. Likewise don’t show unnecessary concern or kindness or empathy towards the so-called Dalits or Harijans too – they may not deserve it all times. Only when and where they or any persons are really subjected to oppression and injustices we should show any concern. Injustice to and oppression of anybody should be condemned and fought – be that person from anywhere, any community, any gender.
Anant said
Hi : I am born in a Brahmin family and it is not my sin, and neither I am responsible for it. Exactly the same way if I am born in a Dalit or any other caste. I spent my childhood with dalits, and we all played together and used to eat in each others house. In fact one of my friend had a leather shop and his father was a very respected person in our town in Madhya Pradesh, I used to sometimes work in his shop making leather shoes. I think I was very fortunate that I did not get castiest education in my family. Dr Babasaheb was not great because he was born in dalit family, but he was great thinker, leader and an extra ordinary person born in modern times. I agree that woman in any caste are no less than Dalits, although that was not reason Babasaheb married Mai. Let us remove caste from our names, minds, famlies, and society, this will be real tribute to Babasaheb. Let us hope his photo is printed on currency notes like Mahatma Gandhi.
S Shekhar said
This is such a dangerous and racist article. A legal action must be taken against the author for writing such a divisive article. Now I understand how dangerous shape is being given to the Dalit movement, which should have actually been to uplift the downtrodden of the society to bring them at par with others.
The author also seems to me semi-literate only and that is why not properly quoting Manu Smriti. I am sure, he has not read it, or in fact nit read much at all in his life.
I hope the likes of him remain marginalized.
Bramin said
i am sure who ever is telling wrong about bramins and bramin community even the bramin girls/guyes are marrying the other community (disterbing the other community people even bramin too). they will also face the same thing. diffnately it is the curse for the other varanas they will also never have root or childrens, .after 100 years
cutie said
All human-beings are equal in the eyes of God.The human-beings have only created the caste system.There are good and bad people in both high caste as well as low caste.
Ultimately,what matters to God is, whether one is a good person or striving to become one, or not.
er said
The writer of this blog is a REGISTERED CHUTIYA to harbour such views. All Indians are alike. Each human being is alike.
cutie said
One who thinks himself to be of a high caste is actually low. While one who thinks himself/herself to be of low caste is said to be high caste.As per the scriptures, people are known by their nature and the quality of work they perform..
manu world watcher said
god is there and watching all da wrong done by the bad
om namo narayana
VeekAy said
Whn artcile.. I must aprreciate the person who has written such a worndeful artcile about ambedkar marrying savita. It just refelctes the filthy state of mind of the anuthor. Probably, if BRA read this he would have hanged himself. There is another IAS person who has similar views. I guess, even after 60+ yrs after ambedkar, same rotten breed exists in India, and I can say ambedkar was short sighted about upliftment as this clan never deserves it..you can make a rotten thing to smell like perf SUch lunaticIAS and mindless writer still divide the society. ALL must know that ambedkar is BRAHMIN surname..if at all you have will then call bra as sapkal ambavedkar. Further even BRA made mistake in reading manusmruti – his half knowledge – shudras are born from from pada..only who is lame can only think that shudras are unimportant to society. Also, read how caste system evolved. Even low castes follow caste system, if at all any one has guts then marry your sister or daughter to other caste (lower to yours) with the consecnt of the people of the same caste and family.
Lastly, the reservation has created heatread, if alla shudra is ready buy the services and goods produced by ONLY shudra , how wvere inferior and bad in quailin quality – possibly the shudras can improve and learn to respect who are worth irrespective of caste. And only Dalist of the present day are interested in caste system, else they will loose all benfits ..like everything free..education job, home etc given by Govt. from the money collected by Govt from all nondalits – higer castes.
Theres concept of BRA has given rise the mean and envious dalit geration who are the selfish and stupid anti social crowd on India.
Rajashekar said
Hi Chumber @ Dalit Nation,
I have gone through all the available articles in this blog apart from reading through the for and against arguments that many ladies and men have put forth as they thought it to be true or right. But , however, after all the arguments and negotiation in my thoughts what I realized is that :
1. You have , beyond any doubt, set up your mind that Brahmins are superior in human lineage and truly conclude where you really stand in the line.
2. Going by the method you adopted in trying to humiliating the Brahmin community , you proved that it is not that the Brahmin is fighting for his superiority but you are fighting for it since by nature you are psychologically fixed with your mental status to accept that you are highly inferior not only the Brahmin community but also to any other community you think is socially above you.
3. You mainly target Brahmins because they do not take you seriously. And that is what irritates you.na? Of course they are right in ignoring you and let you go off with out being noticed.
4. Though people are not bothered about caste of any person in today’s global scenario , through your writings you are making a Brahmin community to really feel that he is superior than you.
5. Through your blogging and writing , you are compelling dalits not only to be on par with your thoughts but also should agree with you that they belong to the inferior stream of human lineage.
6. And Lastly (uff) your only aim is to promote yourself as a social reformer but in reality you provoke young and innocent dalits to indulge in such activities not called for to benefit you.
My sincere advise: Please educate, Nurture the society to rise to the status of Brahman not by your derogative approach towards a particular community but by attaining the intellectual status of that community that you think are the cause for your social status.
I hope You agree with me on the above points Mr.Chumber.
Rajashekar said
Dear Daltnation,
Why my comments are not published yet. Any thing disputable in the comment. I have seen worst possible comments coming from every nook and corner than that of my comment. OR ARE YOU SCARED OF MY NAME????!!!!!!!!
Hmmm Please publish my conmments plus the other three comments I just made in different subjects in the blog. Will you??
homescience said
Useless comments….. The writer as well the readers don’t seem to understand the point of view of Babasaheb. You all are nothing but nuts. Trying to bring casteism and politics even in the marriage of Babasaheb….. Very sad and ridiculous too..
Rajashekar said
Hi Dear Chumber,
I know pretty well that you do not have courage and guts to take me in and face me with my writings. I know well that even this one also is not going to be published because you have to give an explanation for the other writings I posted earlier. You coward.
Madhura said
The dalits can only see how a fraction of Brahmins harassed them… What abt Brahmins who went agnst their own caste to uplift them? Sane guruji…opened up Pandharpur temple n taught dalits in jail, Savarkar at the cost of his life worked fr dalit rights….Ambedkar even visited Savarkars house twice, Rajaram Mohan Roy, Ramabaee Ranade…. Today at a social level many families create hate in the minds of children agnst caste…so as have more rapes, breach and more hatred….. the brahmins or dalits whoever it maybe causing harm to the other loving being….hear this “Nature will do the justice”
cutie said
Always remember one thing in ur life when u abuse lower caste by saying dalit n chamaar then u abusing yourself n ur own religion..bcoz if u accepted that hindu religion is one n these religion has four community like:brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shudra.shudra means pure (pure from soul n heart)..then let me remind u fourth community also come under hindu religion they are also hindu to whom u abuse as dalit n chamaar…so you are not abusing them but abusing yourself n your own religion too..
Prof.Amol Jadhav said
Verry good…Dalit women are more free than Bramhin women….what a intellegency..really admirable…that shows conspiracies of your mind only this you people must not forget….and listen…you are not only who respects our Babasahab,if you respect babasahab then why do you use Dalit word?have babasahab used this word Dalit? Read all the written books of Babasahab and also read constitution which words are used by respected Babasahab.JayBhim…Bahujananche uddhaarak Babasahab Ambedkar yanna Vinamr koti koti Abhiwaadan
cutie said
Always remember one thing in ur life when u abuse lower caste by saying dalit n chamaar then u abusing yourself n ur own religion..bcoz if u accepted that hindu religion is one n these religion has four community like:brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shudra.shudra means pure (pure from soul n heart)..then let me remind u fourth community also come under hindu religion they are also hindu to whom u abuse as dalit n chamaar…so you are not abusing them but abusing yourself n your own religion too..
Changa said
Actually its a brahmin conspiracy :)). Brahmin women are encouraged to marry Dalit men. the resulting offspring normally acquires the brahminical looks [See paswan’s son]. Obviously Paswan’s son won’t marry a Dalit girl. He will choose someone good looking of a different caste/community – maybe Punjabi. Then who would marry the Dalit girls?
Bhagyavana said
Great Friends………….
The above all Arguments.shows……….how we all……Matured, tolerant, and the people born on this earth.for equity, fraternity……
It happens in highly exposed time.2013-14…..and condition, just imagine the condition in 100, 500,1000 and 2000 year back. How broad our ancestors……were.
Great……… Matha Bharath.Given a birth to…..all these..so kind elements……
Indian said
What crap is this site about? Hating brahmins wont make dalits smart or brahmins dumb. Brahmin women have more liberty then the best of dalit women. I think by giving rights to Dalits, they are misusing it by fighting with others. Why dont dalits spend time improving themselves instead of cribbing about others. Shows the quality of folks on this board!
cutie said
Being a good person doesn’t depend own your religion, your race and your skin color or your culture..its depend on how good your HEART and how good you treat others….
MALLIKARJUNA SHARMA said
The very suffix or Surname ‘Ambedkar’ was granted by an affectionate Brahmin teacher [whose own surname was Ambedkar] of Dr. Ambedkar whose original surname could have been some ‘Ambavedkar’ or so. The very fact that Dr. Ambedkar prided in this surname and kept it lifelong and also the fact that he [seems to have] never acknowledged the courtesy and [seems not to have] expressed his gratitude to that teacher speaks volumes about Dr. Ambedkar’s character, to say the least.
rescholar said
Brahmina is also a lower varn in ancian india,Brahmin varn comes throgh mixing of two varn father as kshatriya and mother by caste shudra varn or raksas
sanjay komatwar said
its not true…….babasaheb was intalectual person…..in last stage of life babasaheb a doctor 24 hour for health check…..no one women found in sc st and obc which can doctor…..its found only in brahmin community….thats true reson…and dr..malavankar stressed on babasaheb to marri with savitha kabir…..thats why it was a plan made by brahm,ins for kill babasaheb…..rss neharu dr malavankar and savitha kabir was in plan…..lastly dr.malavankat….was doing mistreatment on babasaheb…..and lastly savitha kabir killed to babasaheb helf of rss neharu
cutie said
you are right dear dont be panic…i m also with you bcoz i dont believe in this stupid castesim…always remember my words god never create any religon n caste..this things happen only for stupid n mad people they created this castes..even god dont have any religion n castes..
A MAN IS GREAT BY DEEDS NOT BY BIRTH.
A brahmin man nathu ram godse killed gandhi ji.
A brahmin lady savita killed Dr.B.R.Ambedakar.
cutie said
Hindu (body) four community: brahmin (head) kshatriya (arm) vaishya (belly) shudra (feet) All these four community called as hindu. We all are parts of one body. Without each part our body is not complete. If we lost one part of our body then we become handicap. The human body is the entire structure of a human being. Human Body is considered so loving that God even wants to have it. Spiritual Yogis have found that after going through the 84 millions species this souls get the most dignified human body. So it is the last step to explore the God or to get the view of almighty father god. We know that the soul never dies it takes birth again and again just like as we take new clothes to wear the soul as it takes new body and it is an infinite process. But the body what we get in next birth depend on our karma that has been cited in Gita by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. We all here to perform our duties. Our action makes our destiny and nothing else. The result is in the hand of supreme power. Karma is the seed of plant and if the seed is genuine it must be fruitful.
cutie said
Many a time, man has taken birth in high caste and low caste; but this does not make him great or low Having been born in high caste man thinks himself to be great and being born in low caste thinks himself to be low and pitiable; both of these states of mind are wrong because many times man has been born in high and low castes. Hence, one should not be proud of having been born in high caste and not feel low if born in low caste family.
Greatness has nothing to do with high caste. Man becomes great because of his noble work, exemplary character and becomes loathsome because of his immorality and evil conduct. Thus, it is his conduct only that decides his greatness or lowliness. Who does not know that high family born Ravana, Kansa, Duryodhana and others are censurable; whereas Metarya muni, Harikeshi muni and others, though born in low family, are venerable.
Then, what is the importance of high or low caste?
cutie said
Whole world think that India has many castes which are main reason of discrimination of people but its very very big misconception of caste system spread around the world to defame culture of India because it was the biggest systematically designed system for people from thousands of years. Now let me tell you what is meaning of varna and caste system in India and how its was started. In Ancient India there were two great saints, one was saint Bhrigu and other was saint Bhardwaj. They met to discuss how to structure a stable society for human being to live proper life, First they recognized the four sources which are:
1. Knowledge 2. Weapons 3. Wealth 4. Land
They decided to make system where nobody has more than one of that. These should not be in one hand, not even two should be in one hand. So those who has knowledge will not have wealth, will not have weapons and will not have lands. Those who will have weapons will rule the country but they will not make policy. They need to go to people having knowledge to seek their permission and advice. Those who are having wealth, their social status will be decided by the how much philanthropy they do not by their wealth. Those who has lands have to produce for the society. In fact none of these four category or “varna” was based on by birth.
cutie said
Hindu religion devided into four community..but again I m saying to all stupid people who living in india..caste and community only created by mentally sick people and who follow them they have something problem in their mind.four community name are Brahmin, kshatriya,vaishya,shurda. And its surprising we all India dnt know the exactly meaning of these four words..let me explain to you..brahmin means not that who born in high class..koi janam se uncha or nicha nhi hota hai.brahmin mean jo god ko janta hai usko apne samne dekha ho jisse brahma ka pata ho or apne acche karam se jana jaye na ki apni jaat se..agr Brahmin hone pr insaan ke karam gandhe hai toh who insaan ashudh mana jata hai who pavitr aatma nhi hoti hai…Kshatriya ka matlb hota hai weh yodha jo mantvta ki raksha hetu apne angg angg ko katva de..samksh praniyon ki raksha ke liye apni jaan kurbaan kr de or apne karam pr ghamand na dikhaye..Vaishya who hote hai jo apne kaam mein emaan dikhaye koi chori chakari na kre..apne kaam ko galat tareeqe se na kre..emaan (mehnat) ki kamai ko khaye haraam ki kamai ko haath na lagaye..Shudra ka matlb hota hai shudh or pavitr aatma….jis bande ke ander koi moh, maya, krodh or ahnkaar tak nhi hai jiska aacharn shudh ho or karam shudh ho wohi sacha shudra hai..jo apne karam par purn vishwaas rakhe…jiske karam ache nhi man mein ahnkaar hai who shudra nhi mana ja sakta hai..agr tum log shudra ko pero ka sathaan dete ko toh or unhe neecha mante ho toh kanjke pujna bandh kr do unke peron (feet) ko dohna unki puja krna bandh kr do..kisi devi devta ke mandir ja kr natmastak na ho or apne mata pita ke peron ko choo ke ashiwadh lena bandh kr do..
cutie said
We always talk about religion and castesim but in reality there is no any caste and religion. We all are same our blood are same.then why we believe in discrimination. God never created any caste they made simple human being.. Mentally sick people take the path of fundamentalism and spread casteism and communism. They suffer from inferiority complex and divide the society into “we” and “they”. They (belonging either to higher or lower ranked caste) have a fear in their heart that if they do not get a higher place for themselves in society, “other” people are going to exploit them and going to put them down.They don’t have believe on themselves and their own work. They have doubt own their capability. People with negative mindset suffer from inferiority complex and divide society into compartments like higher castes or lower castes.and can’t tolerate “others” progress or well-being. They cannot work hard and cannot tolerate anybody else’s achievements. These are the people with negative mindset who believe in ranking some belonging to higher castes and/or some to lower castes. They are coward and they are unable to protect themselves…
cutie said
Inter caste marriage should be encourage..bcoz if people take this step then castesim and religion based discrimination should be stop itself..we all are human being..God never created any caste and religion..even God dnt has any caste and religion…did you know that God belong to which caste and religion..then keep shut your mouth about this stupid varan system and caste system okh.. In ancient times, caste system had the seeds of liberalism. It provided the right and opportunity to get to the top from the humblest origin and earn the respect of the whole society. For example, Vashishtha, the principal of the conservative school of Brahmanism, was the son of Uravshi, a prostitute. Vishwamitra, the maker of the very Gayatri Mantra, the quintessence of the Vedic Brahmanism, was a Kshatriya. Aitreya, after whom the sacramental part of Rig-Veda is named as Aitreya Brahamana, was the son from a non-Aryan wife of a Brahman sage. Vyasa of Mahabharata fame was the son of a fish-woman and he was not ashamed of his origin. Balmiki, an untouchable according to present standards, the original author of Ramayana, is highly respected all over India..And only you can make it good or bad this inter caste marriage. Depends upon how much importance u give to these meaningless and stupid values. And how much importance u give to other people who value these meaningless things. U have to see how much u urself r attached to other people opinions. And since u r asking for opinion, it means u r attached to these meaningless things.
cutie said
The Almighty Brahmin! by Khushwant Singh: Whatever be the sphere of curiosity – literary, scientific, bureaucratic, or whatever, the Brahmin remains the top dog. Before I give details, we should bear in mind that Brahmins form no more than 3.5% of the population of our country. My statistics come from a pen friend, Brother Stanny, of St. Anne’s Church of Dhule in Maharashtra.They hold as much as 70% of government jobs. In the senior echelons of the civil service from the rank of deputy secretaries upward, out of 500 there are 310 Brahmins, i.e. 63%. Of the 26 state chief secretaries, 19 are Brahmins; of the 27 Governors and Lt. Governors 13 are Brahmins; of the 16 Supreme Court Judges, 9 are Brahmins; of the 330 judges of High Courts, 166 are Brahmins; of 140 ambassadors, 58 are Brahmins; of the total 3,300 IAS officers, 76 [per cent?] are Brahmins. Of the 508 Lok Sabha members, 190 were Brahmins; of 244 in the Rajya Sabha, 89 are Brahmins.This 3.5% of Brahmin community of India holds between 36% to 63% of all the plum jobs available in the country.
manish said
Brahmins are intelligent by birth and have a talent to do every thing best what ever they decide in life , Need to recognize this truth man .
Brahmins ladies are intelligent and georgious and people of other caste always trying to make brahmins girls as partner .
jai said
Saali, randi Meera madarchod chhinar, dalit women are fucked to get money., you do not read news. all the prostitutes in india are dalit. maa ki choot teri aur saale untouchables ki. Jai brahmans
rajesh said
After working as chief medical officer at a hospital in Gujarat for a brief period, she came to Mumbai in 1937 to work with Dr Malvankar((High caste person). where he introduced Dr Ambedkar.
Following Dr Ambedkar’s death, Mai came under attack from his close associates, who alleged that she was responsible for the former’s demise, prompting the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to appoint a committee to look into the episode. The committee gave a clean chit to Mai.
Dr. ambedkars close associates claim that before meeting with Dr. ambedkar, mai had been in close relationship with Dr. Malvankar. Being a married person he introduced to Dr. ambedkar. Finally lured to make Dr. ambedkar married her in 1948 at the age of 56 years almost an old man, who can’t handle a 28 year old woman. The last day before Dr. ambedkar died, Only his wife (Mrs. Savita Ambedkar) and his doctor, Dr Mavlankar, from Bombay remain in the house. In the afternoon, Dr. Savita and Dr. Mavlankar went to market. They had to do some shopping before Dr. Mavlankar’s return to Bombay, they got late in returning home, which made him anger and split some dirty untouchable words on her and died peacefully.
iamthetruth said
Dr. Amedkar was not a real man, because a real man never leave his father’s surname.. but he left and picked Brahman’s surname ”Ambedkar”….he married to Savita kabir who was Brahman woman to take revenge from hindu men…this proves his cheap mindset…And now these days every dalit tries to do that for take revenge from Brahmans….they marry their daughter… evenly they seduce their wives not because of they really love them, they want to take revenge from hindu people because they know very well that, every man has his weakness and those are their women…just steal those women from them and make weaker to those men….It has been proved..They are just ”Over Confident” People
Sundarbhai said
The writer observes
‘If you want to finish the brahmins then marry the Brahmin women. Dalits should marry Brahmin women and take them out of their varna. Then Brahmins the micro minority 3 percent population of india will have no women left to marry and breed. They will die a natural death and become extinct. Look at the genius of Ambedkar.”
Whether Dr.Bhimrao Ambedkar was a genius or not, the author is surely one.
If Dalits have to marry women from other communities,with the sole aim to ensure that other community women cannot breed further, what will happen to the Dalit women? Where will they go? Does the author suggest many marriages for Dalit men only to wipe out other communities? A rusted and dirty mind. Focus on education and moral values – You will prosper. Not other wise by any chance.
Jai Bhim
Sundar
Isha said
How stupid feeling do all the people here still posses. Dr. Ambedkar converted us, so we can educate ourselves and get a right to live with full dignity. His only agenda was to educate our society, to bring us up. We have to grow above all this things especially the caste thing. I don’t think he converted us to fight on such silly issues. How many of us are really working for improvement of our society by all means. Why only our society but also our nation too. Very few might be there, we need to multiply so we can bring some social reforms. I feel ashamed of myself when I see some of my brothers and sisters still living below poverty line, when we have been given so many rights in constituency for our upliftment we need to utilize it to the fullest. The only solution is EDUCATION. All Brahmins are not bad; I am a dalit married to a chitpavan Brahmin and very happily living my life. My Husband always says that all the educated people from your society should come together and work for our people. Trust me I have never faced a single incident of difference regarding caste in my family.
karthik said
Thank you madam. Sir. Ambedkar was a remarkable leader and yes without learning from what he wanted will only kill him again. There are some disturbing things are going on in india right now like rape cases and BBC showing it to the world as if it is some entertainment programme, those girls are our treasure, daughters, sisters, which never sees from what varna are you from, only unification of all Indians would help and just by fighting amongst ourselves here will not do any good.
Bharata said
This shows Rakshasas are still alive and want to eat people of other community, they are disrespectful for woman and bharata samskruti(the law of land), they are barbaric and cannot live with other human community, they better marry some other animal that suits their mentality, i dont think they have grown to this extent without the help of brahmins, being trustworthy is tough for them because the want to spoil their teachers daughter and wife where we treat guru as god and are new community with a specific agenda created by British to destroy the country and sanatana drama and convert them to either religion, let all mighty god cleanse their mind..om shanti shanti shanthi…
shekher pandey said
Brahmins destroyed mugals ,and greatest ethinic group of earth overseen anglosextion English ………
…………now u people have to decide will u r ready to fight ..choose the path…..
u will see the earth
u usually insult Brahmins but in up more than 10000dalit girl hasbeen raped …not singal by Brahmins but Muslim and yadav obc during sp regime
think not bark
karthik said
Hey let us not be hypocrites. Sir. Ambedkar was a very great personality, he was not just a dalit leader, he was a great leader with amazing intellect. Moreover if someone calls you dalit you’re offended but you can call yourself a dalit, I smell hypocrisy here. Accept the fact that even in dalits you have some higher and lower gardes where the higher garde won’t touch the lower on, I smell hypocrisy again. His life is personal to him, he married whom he loved that’s all. I’m a brahmin but sir.Ambedkar had been my greatest inspiration. And the facts like women are untouchable during menstrual has a scientific reason. It’s to maintain cleanliness during those days. Nowadays we have higher grade of living and maintaining cleanliness. This is subjective to certain era in history. It doesn’t mean we have to follow. We Indians question very less and hence convert some era subjective scientific procedures as superstition. Believe me half knowledge is too dangerous. Sir.Ambedkar fought for a greater good. Learn to respect it and try to follow path of such people. By just swearing on some blog won’t change your life. If you don’t agree with my opinion it’s not my loss. I am going in the right direction and you too know it. If you feel like scolding me it means that you know that I am right but your ego is not accepting it. Any discussion should never pull in ego. It should always be based on fact, if you take in ego then you’ll emotionally handle situations which creates a Havoc. Hope I am clear. Come on people this is 21st century and we are killing india for self interest. We have better things to do I feel.
Devid A George said
Yes Dear,
You have tried to justify yourself. Nice argument.
You have told that You are moving in right direction. May be good.
Here, I am fully agree with You that Half Knowledge is Dangerous. I am fully agree with You. But It is more applicable to you any other one who knows India’s History Better. You have told about Women in our Society…..Good. But Dear, Before making any comment ……please , at least go through the History and actual reason about the issue. You have put only one argument which may be true not only those days but even today. Here your point is only that which suit you. Please go through the History …. Then you will come with better Understanding and may be with full information and knowledge.
And, We request to You that If you have little knowledge then try to improve that rather than to make a judgement.
Thanks
Have a Nice Day and Happy & Healthy Life
Darshana. Shete said
Brahmin womens are not as dalits. Even they have freedom of speech. Our history sets an example like Anandi gopal who became first female doctor of india after she was married and was encouraged to become a doctor because of efforts taken by her husband.The sentence “Brahmin women are also Dalits in a way. Brahmin women are the biggest victim of Brahmin conspiracy” is totally rubbish. If brahmins were so than why did Babasaheb Ambavadekar adopted surname from his brahmin teacher Mahadev Ambedkar. Brahmins have respect for all castes and are proud. One should keep respect of his teachers and his surname rather than adopting surnames and blaming blaming brahmins.
Devid A George said
Wow Dear ,
We know that You have read the History written in RSS Camp Nagpur.
Now , We come to know that there are a crowed in India which is fully ignorant about their own History.
If you want to know Ambedkar , His Surname and his Likes & Dislikes …then Please go through is articles and speeches.
Wrong knowledge is Detrimental only only that particular person but also the community near by Him.
Please Read the History then You will be in Better position to judge the right & wrong.
Thanks
Have a Nice Day
indraneel said
You think that brahmins oppress their women still in this century… Then you should be able to show an example of this!!!! As far as your conspiracy of making brahmins extinct is considered,you so called dalits have already started killing male brahmins and raping brahmin girls but we will never allow you to become successful
PS: I believe in babasaheb ambedkar’s ideology and don’t believe that he wanted to ‘finish’ any caste or religion
Bramhan said
I would laugh at you people. If you are going to finish us by having marriage with bramhan women , then we have option of your women. Its nothing but strategy of dividing Hindus on the basis of caste. Better you guys should look after betterment of nation. Grow up guys, grow up. Have some work.
Darshana Shete said
Hey George i am against the sentence “Brahmin women are also Dalits in a way. Brahmin women are the biggest victim of Brahmin conspiracy”
Brahmin women have many good options rather than marrying dalits.
And need not judge Ambedkar through his speeches which tell his own greatness.
You need to study history in a better way.
Avdhesh Shastri said
what an anti bramhin portrait of ambedkar this admin has portrayed. hope u get some brain for use atleast. at this 21st century, your mindsets are still stinking. even ambedkar would be sad.
and about bramhin women stuff, let me say that all you dalits still have Rajput and Bramhin blood in you, wonder how??
ask ur granny and mommy…
Indian said
You should be ashamed of yourself.Your doing same thing which Babasaheb didn’t want all his life ie social division. Your more likely enemy of nation. If Babasaheb would alive he would probably ashame of you. Pathetic…. No person is Dalit by birth a pathetic thinking like yours make him dalit.
Girish Patil said
R.K.Nayadu is foolish animal.
Mukesh Agnihotri said
I have read all comments and finally reached to conclusion that it is ONLY RESERVATION which had divided we all hindus on false facts For getting reservation we had forget about 1000 years slavery of Muslim and British. As far as brahmins are concerned it is true that shudra Chandragupt was made a King by a brahmin Chankaya and in 21st century bahan Mayawati was also helped to become CM by a brahmin who is staunch follower of her. Please don’t curse brahmin and try to understand 1000 yrs of slavery where Brahmin community was a victim and it is no way respsonsible for Dalit’s state of affairs.
Fuckambedkar said
Ambedkar was a fucking asshole, dumb fucking cocksucker low life scum, and he married a brahmin woman because he knew that women of his caste are fucking useless, disgusting and dirty and low life scum like him..lol..ha-ha!! Fuck ambedkar and his followers
gaurav verma said
@FuckAmbedkar : man, your mentality is far pathetic than the writer of this post. People like you will never grow up and this caste discrimination will always be there in this society and hence, Reservaetion
GV said
You dalits are truly beyond help, you are just complete sacless pussies who can’t do anything without help from the system, your leader babafaggot ambfaggot, was educated in Britain, the place which ruled all of us and made us grovel. If u are half smart take the fight to the UK dumb shit cleaning corpse digging smelly ugly disease ridden rat dalits. You are the only people who believe a man can never do a mistake. You faeces bags can’t even figure out that the reason you are so backward is all the other 4 castes put together not just the brahmins or baniyas. Shudras hate you too and so do Muslims and Christians. Please do the rest of us a favour and leave the country to which your best contribution was when you were cleaning dry latrines. Not one of you took it up on yourselves to help out the other rural dalits still doing that by making hygiene suits or some technology despite tons of you getting btech degrees and college admissions with no effort. Go kill yourselves or wait 10 days you’ll die because of your diseases. I let dalits bitches give me a blowjob and lick my asshole. They say they love it, they swallow all the cum and say it’s the tastiest thing they have ever tasted. Dalit sluts are really horny for upper caste cock and spread their anuses by just hearing your surname. Baba saheb wslas.insecure because his mother was being screwed in her pussy by a Kshatriya, ass by shudra and mouth by brahmin and a baniya playing with her breasts all at the same time. So he wanted to fuck a brahmin woman to cure his insecurity too bad he couldn’t fuck a baniya or a shudra or a Kshatriya. Also dalit women are fucking ugly, mayawati is the aishwarya rai of dalits and just look how.ugly that fat slut is.
nitin jadhav 17 said
Because ambedkar was a pervert and a stupid human who just stole the constitution. You ShortCuts just made him a god from a foolish human
nitin jadhav 17 said
Ambedkar is a lowlife who just stole the constitution and he married a brahmin girl because dalit girls are ugly as OP’s mother
Nataraj said
the real asshole is the author who wrote this article . Ambedkar have no such stupid ideas . Nehru and gandhi may be idiots but not all are idiots. Try to change your mindset. Don’t throw mud on the great Ambedkar and his character. Ambedkar is not idiot like this article author.
The way of interpretation should be in a decent way. Intercaste marriage is good but the way the author articulated is like Jihad
neemkapaudha said
YOU ARE SICK .. YOU ARE DEFAMING A GREAT PERSON IN YOUR MADNESS …. REMEMBER HE WAS SUDRA BY BIRTH BUT NOT BY ACTION
The Indian said
First of all you all are idiots , you bastered writer you want Brahman to extinct listen what your a not even babasaheb follower then yiur just a revengy bastered , did you forgot what mr ambedkar said he was not against Brahmans there were many Brahman who was working with mr ambedkar , e.g. mr shastrabude. And mr chitre,
And yiu idiot bastered you dont know that chaturvarna was decided by manu who was a shtritya king but you cant speak shatriya bacause they will kik you. You are just a coward bastered
Jacinta s d'sa said
I need answer of aambedakar’s seond marriage ligal….??? Didn’t show answer….. so plz help to get me for this answer.
Tujhya aaichi gand said
Who the fuck are u bastard?
Madarchod.
Of u have guts come and talk face to face.
Stop writing start doing fucker.
Rushi said
Seventy years have passed but Brahmin community can’t be made extinct.
Rushi said
He was less dalit n more western
dixit_utkarsh said
hhahaah, such pity at the writer that he does not know,the true brahmins are something that are not bounded by the bond of blood and flesh, no matter what point you want to prove , just remember people like you don’t know even the meaning of the word….
Dattatray Adarkar said
i personally believe that mr. ambedkar, an overly qualified man, but a human having general humn emotions, throughout his life was a wanna be brahmin. The first instance is his keeping the surname Ambedkar given to him by his mentor a “brahmin teacher”. His real surname was Ambevadekar. Second for his personal gain be was ready for a perpetual division in electoral rolls (poona pact). Third ofcourse that he married a brahmin woman. this may be hard to digest for the blind followers but let’s face it, he could have married an underprivileged woman from the same community and changed that woman’s life forever but no he chose a woman from the same community which he loathes. It’s perfectly humane to say that he was wrong with ailerons that does not make him any less of a great man. He was and still always be one of the greatest persons alive in the world but no blind following please, that negates what he actually thought for throughout his life “benefits of education”.
Alok said
This entire debate from its Title to the Views shared is Anti-Indian….see we live in 21st century instead of Brahmins fighting dalits & vice versa why don’t we unite, sit together & try to solve our problems…I myself m a brahmin & have many dalit frnds..we don’t think of each other wat all u people r thinking & saying to each of u….we share tiffin, have fun, roam around city, share our knowledge & help each other… So can we stop dividing India on the name of Caste & unite as Indians… A humble request to all
Kirti bhat said
Rubbish analysis.stupid.wake up in true sense
pleiades said
what a bullshit article….seems the writer don’t have understanding of Ambedkar’s morals and teachings…..there are many who tries to manipulate Ambedkar’s teachings…this article….is one of that example….seems that writer’s mind is deeply colonized by the upper caste ideology… wrong interpretations and wrong views …highly misleading….
Comment by a Dalit woman
Satish said
Pagal, if this is their thinking then we are a shamed of them . Show me any country or any religion where women, & poor people were not illtreated. Even British women had to struggle for their voting rights in Britain & they got their voting rights in 1924 .In Africa & middle East women were slaves & were sold like animals but in Hindu religion women are worshipped like goddesses . There are black ship in all religions . Some powerful radical Hindu brahmins might have taken advantages for own benefits. Mai was bramhin then as per your view she must be radical Hindu bramhin. Babasaheb was helped by King Gaikwad of Baroda & he was Hindu it means he was also radical bad guy. We have great respect for Babasaheb & their work for Dalits .I always feel we need many such Babasaheb now to fight against atrocities of rubbish politicians for welfare of poor Indians of all caste & religions.
brahmin zindabad said
I want to share my experienxe here. Please read this. Ifrst of all, i dont want to.blaim the dalits (so called buddhist here) but they atlre dalits and they feel ashamed to call them as dalit. Anyways. I tell u why these people are so.unfamous in the society. I llive in a society of 20 people. All are well educated and matured anough except one dalit family. Folks, u wont believe, they behave like they are the only owners in the society and we are their slaves. They always have family shout matters, gali dena etc etc. They have bought cattles and trust me they are serving those cattles on the hopes that they will get some milk someday. These bastard family has ruined our lives. They call their relatives for discussion in gali to fight with us. Everyone laugh on this family but due to lack of proper education, they dont know how to behave with others. Aur bahit sare kisse hai. Rthese mother fucker dalits should be removed out of the country and they should have thheir own space for living. Brahmins will live like brahmins that nobody will compete them.
Ck kurrey said
First of all . I would like to tell you that this country is of the MULNIVASIS NOT brahmins. Being a brahmin u think u r the only humans ? What makes you a brahmin.? bitch…. . I have two eyes two hands two legs ,… So i am a human and my dna is also of a human.but u call us dalits …. What kind of creature r u fucking brahmin . Your god brahma have 3 faces 6-8 arms , ur shiva has 3 eyes , .huh what makes u and ur god brahmin . Ur physical features are of a rakshash madarchod . This country is not of a brahmin it is of the mulnivasis i.e. The scheduled caste people. . The invaders ie ayans ie brahmins came from central asia to this country. ,
nilakantha18 said
Using the name of Sri Ambedkar, a new Brahmin-caste has arisen among the oppressed. This privileged class does everything against the ideology of Ambedkar and their only agenda is selfishness. They deceive the real Dalits with crocodile tears. If India had even 10% of Dalits committed to the ideology of Ambedkar, India would have been better place for all castes to live on.
Prem said
BULLSHIT VIEW AND ILLOGICAL,AMBEDKARK WAS OPPURTUNIST AND BRITISH STOOGE,AND GAUTAM BUDDHA LEFT HIS VERY YOUNG WIFE,SHE MAY Have sexual urge ,what might she have done to full fill her sexual need we can easily guess,so Buddha as leader?…NOW LET COME TO AMBEDKAR ,HE SHOULD HAVE MARRIED ANY DALIT WOMEN TO UPLIFT HER ,BUT HE WANTED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ,SO HE FORGET DALIT DHARMA…… PREACHING OTHERS IS EASY BUT HARD TO OBEY….HE WAS NOT MORE THEN STOOGE OF BRITISH AND MUSLIMS
Chinmay Vaidya said
And they say casteism should be finished. Then what are these cheap thoughts?☺
suman sharma said
A similar formula like love jihad 😀
Shaman das said
What a gross Psyche you guys have.. a human is known by his/her Karma not as a brahmin/Kshatriya/ Dalit.. telling a man to marry a woman from brahmin caste and reproduce Dalit children shows the author’s narrow mentality (and intellectual backwardness). This is just like “love jihad”. A woman is more than a trophy wife or a child producing factory…. Gross article
Kranti said
To sad to see how ignorant ppl are about Indian history, which includes all the religions and beliefs that developed here.
God ( theist viewpoint ) did not come and write these books, he did not leave any major marker to differentiate between humans.
The major physical differences we humans unfortunately use to differentiate are due to environment, opporutnity n nutrition, not God’s marker to select superiority. Majority of the morons here forget that all religions God advice to let go of ego, of superiority.
The Ideology of brahmins being aryan race (based on foreigners interpretation of text) making them superior or any other such stupid Ideology reminds me of hitler, he had similar view. So pretty apparent on which path you morons are heading.
CASTE is a human creation just like racism. To bad majority of Indian population including the educated are still not smart enough to understand this.
I would like to remind all Hindus of how Lord shiva was insulted by daksha based on his appearance, way of life and as being ashud. All Shudras/lower caste have faced n still face similar insults. By doing so above story clearly indicates how wrong we Hindus have been for so many centuries.
You don’t see lower caste in higher post simply because majority do not get the opportunity n facilities to Excell along with the politics they face. To all educated morons here who believe in caste, your caste is based on your birth not talent or skill. For many centuries upper caste children got better nutrition, education n a financially sound environment to grow, hence the progress.
Maybe Dr. Ambedkar simply married a women he knew, or was introduced to. They both liked each other and simply went ahead. Why unnecessary waste your ram on something that is eventually of no use to you but infact hurts the society through hate n negative conspiracies.
God does not differentiate, humans do. Hate the sin/bad actions and not the sinner/doer. Have compassion.
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam
chitra said
I read this article and felt deeply hurt. i am a brahmin woman and no where in my past 40 yrs of life did i feel anyway opressed or supressed by my parents or husband. I pity the writers mentality here. Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar was a great soul and his service to the nation is salutable. His marriage to a brahmin lady can not be understood by low mentality people. Please stop writting such a nonsense thing about brahmin community without understanding full facts.
Saurabh said
Ohhh people should remember their past for better future. Brahmin was a society who oppressed exploit women most. Although it’s changed today because in this educated society today Brahmin men are themselves not strong enough to suppress women. Majority of them are surviving because of castism, if there is no reservation for them then there is a much big tool castism to survive.
ALBERTO said
who is the Idiot that wrote this Article. Dalits have become Muslims or something now ? To liberate women , you have to marry them. You can see this stupid “Dalit” wirter is making Ambedkar to be a “Messiah” ( by saying” Ambedkar can not be wrong”) . This Dalit platform is spewing venom against Brahmins. I have seen all my life that Dalits have become one of most opportunistic people and take advantage of this caste the most in the recent years and still claim oppression. I am no Brahmin . But these Dalits are twisting all kind of Information. Dalits have stupid at their own Peril. Let them self destruct. They deserve to be for how they are destroying the society.
ALBERTO said
Oh. another thing I wanted to mention. I admire Ambedkar very much for his work. But his name originally is not Ambedkar, It was given to him by his teacher who was a Brahmin. Essentially it is his teacher’s name given to Ambedkar such that he can go on to higher education. So, these stupid Dalits and their divisive ideology is destroying the society.
Pandit Ravi said
Who ever is the writer.. He is a joker. Hatred give birth to hatred and evils.. If you cant speak good about Brahmins who enlightned this earth than its better to shut mouth and work hard to attain peace and tranquality… Bhagwan tum logon ko sadbudhi de.. Tum logon ke mann se burai aur Nafrat khatm kare…
Jai Hind.
indian said
It is so shamful 😦
On the name of respected ambedkar Ji…the writer is doing politics…..Mr. Ambedkar fell in love with a girl n marry him . from where the brahmins have come into picture. What thinking does the writer has?
ian said
simple…ambedkar was chitpavan brahmin or “mahar joshi” disguised as dalit leader to save dhamma or dharma,it is called “apad dharma” duty..to deceive people in order to save “dharma” .(buddhism /hinduism is same i.e belief in reincarnation and belief in man can become god!!) and thus caste system and thus superiority of upper caste people !!!it is all deception of brahmins…!!!he is true leader of hindutva force…or even may be founder of rss?who knows?but possible…
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Besides this, the Constituent Assembly borrowed various features from more than one country, gave its own colour to address the intricacies of the Indian empire and to serve in its paramount intrest.mostly it is copy paste of GOI 1935
Following are the features borrowed from other constitutions around the world:-
1. USA> Fundamental Rights
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Judicial Review
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2. BRITAIN,UK >
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>Due Process of Law.
how it was done?
A primary draft Constitution was prepared based on various sources(viz. Government of India Act 1858, Indian Councils Act 1861, Indian Councils Act 1892, Indian Councils Act 1909, Government of India Act 1919, Government of India Act 1935 and the Indian Independence Act 1947 and borrowed articles and ideas from many countries…constitutions of uk usa irland australia france canada russia germany south africa japan) by the drafting committee and submitted to the Assembly on 4 November 1947, which was debated discussed and over 2000 amendments were moved over a period of two years. Finally on 26 November 1949, the process was completed and the Constituent Assembly adopted the Constitution. 284 members signed the document and the process of constitution making was complete.The assembly met in sessions open to the public, for 166 days, spread over a period of 2 years, 11 months and 18 days before adopting the Constitution, the 308 members of the assembly signed two copies of the document (one each in Hindi and English) on 24 January 1950… constitution….source wikipedia
History of Reservation IN INDIA
1. In India reservation was given to people before Indian independence also when India was ruled by British people.
2. 1882 – Hunter Commission appointed. Mahatma Jyotirao Phule made a demand of free and compulsory education for all along with proportionate reservation/representation in government jobs.mahatma fule was sponsered by scottish missionary church,he studied at,tutored at Scottish Mission’s High School, Pune; Even duke of Connaught,who was a grandson of Queen Victoria,came to India on 2march 1888 ,to superwise and guide Scottish missionaries and Fule’s work,he was felicitated by Fule at public welcome ceremony!!!!
3. In the year 1902 , Chatrapati Sahuji Maharaj, Maharaja of Kolhapur in Maharashtra.king shahu maharaj was dummy king of british raj,the act of reservation was created by his guru his mentor his guardian tutor, administrative officer,IAS …Sir Stuart Fraser…!!!
4. Introduced reservation in favor of backward classes to eradicate poverty and give them chance to participate in the state administration.
5. The notification of 1902 created 50% reservation in services for backward classes/communities in the State of Kolhapur. This notification is the first Govt. Order providing for reservation for the welfare of depressed classes in India.
6. Because of caste system millions of families in India got ill treatment and no opportunities to rise in society.
7. 1908-Reservations were introduced in favor of a number of castes and communities that had little share in the administration by the British.
8. 1909- Provisions were made in the Government of India Act 1909 commonly known as the Morley-Minto Reforms
9. 1919 – Provisions were made in the Government of India Act 1919 mont ford reforms
10. 1921-Madras Presidency introduces Communal G O in which reservation of 44 per cent for non-Brahmins, 16 per cent for Brahmins, 16 per cent for Muslims, 16 per cent for Anglo-Indians/ Christians and eight per cent for Scheduled Castes.
11. 1935-Indian national congress passes resolution called Poona Pact to allocate joint electoral constituencies for depressed classes.
12. 1935 – Provisions in Government of India Act 1935.made by simon commission
13. 1947-India obtained Independence. Dr. Ambedkar was appointed chairman of the drafting committee for Indian Constitution.
14. 26/01/1950-The Constitution of India came in force.
15. 1951 – In the case of State of Madras Vs. Smt. Champakam Dorairanjan AIR 1951 SC 226 Court has pronounced that caste based reservations as per Communal Award violates Article 15(1).
16. 1st constitutional amendment (Art. 15 (4)) introduced to make judgment invalid.
17. 1953-Kalelkar Commission was established to assess the situation of the socially and educationally backward class.
18. 1963 – Court has put 50% cap on reservations in the case of M R Balaji v Mysore AIR 1963 SC 649.
19. Tamil Nadu (69%, under 9th schedule) and Rajasthan 68% exceeded this limit.
“Before the Simon Commission, in 1928, Ambedkar submitted a memorandum on behalf of his association, the Bahishkrit Hitakarini Sabha. He argued in favour of the granting of universal franchise and a quota of seats for the Untouchables rather than for separate electorates !!!” out of 18 dalit parties who voted for separate electorate ,ambedkar and one more party voted against it!!!”
GREAT !!!!!!!
ROOT CAUSE of caste system is “reincarnation” and “self realisation or enlightenment theory”. ..self realisation i.e. man becoming god or goddess himself or herself produces egoistic attitude and despise for others .and reincarnation theory maintains and justifies caste system in society…it is nothing but straighforward denial of GOD.it is deception of satan.this system maintains superiority of certain groups in society hence these people want to keep “karma dharma reincarnation moksha nirvana” based dharmic religions i.e. all indic religions eg.hinduism budhdhism jainism sikhism …These are not true religions leading to true GOD and salvation but political and social system with bunch of human wisdom in it.”upper caste” people will try and do anything to keep this system!!!
ian said
caste based reservation is act of british govt…britishers only followed what was existing in society at that time as they wanted to do some charity work as per christ’s teachings…they discovered caste sysytem prevalent in society…and identified poor people based on caste as it was norms at that time….the act of reservation was there way before independence by british govt since yr 1882 many acts corrections were added in the acts that followed 1902/1908/1909/1919/1921 …scheduled caste and scheduled tribes are british govt words…it was act of charity as per christian principles…as per CHRIST’S HOLY SPIRIT…but govt of india continued it in the name of “social justice” (to divide and rule and to prevent low caste people from revolting)because govt is totally made of upper caste people…they wanted to divide people on caste basis and rule…constitution banned untouchability but not casteism….they continued it in the name of social justice!!!divide and rule…cotinuation of reservation in constitution is upper class hindu deception and conspiracy …!!! indian constitution is also copy paste of govt of india act 1935 and other older laws/acts of british india govt and some articles borrowed from another countries …indian constitution is only modified slightly to benefit certain groups “upper caste” replacing britishers…there is nothing new in constitution given to poor dalits!!!infact dalits have been made beggers!!!pune pact was conspiracy of upper caste people by mutual consent of gandhi and ambedkar to fool poors of india.dalits please open your eyes!!!
hindus especially brahmins/kshatriya are snake “the devil” worshippers…childrens of snake are most deceptive and hypnotizing…there is always battle/animosity between gods childrens and snakes childrens…ram… krishna vishnu shiva buddha are all poisonous snakes(devil/satan) in human forms and their associates like durga lakshmi kali ganesha etc are all demon army/evil spirits…their blue colour is indication of venomous poison…these brahmin’s/kshatriya minds and heart are blinded by satan…they are totally hypnotised and brain washed by satan…..”reincarnation” is devils deception….they drink cow urine and eat cow dung!!in ancient times these stupid ksatriya kings used to let their wives sleep with horses/brahmins in the name of aswamedh yagna…!!! they exalts animals(cow) and degrade human souls(dalits).their “rishis” who created these dharmic religions are low IQ idiots ,charas bhang soma dopers dirty unclean perverts who even didnt know how to shit properly…!these people only show their power over weak dalits ….no wonder these upper caste were screwed by muslims and christians for thousands of years!!these are childrens of poisonous snake(devil)…sometimes it is better to crush/kill these snakes!!!but also remember they are innocent human beings under influence of satan,who has amplified their selfishness/sin nature to extreme pervert level!!this is what happens when you deny true living GOD!!!
origin/root cause of casteism is “reincarnation” theory,previous life’s karma causes them to be born in lower caste!!!this theory also maintains this system of inequality in society..again the theory that you can become god through self realisation /self enlightenment produces egoistic attitude ,to despise others…this is false theory.There is no such thing as reincarnation…no one can become god..it is just excuse to turn away from GOD’S judgement .it is satan’s lie.To abolish casteism from society one must abandon “reincarnation” based religions such as hinduism buddhism jainism and sikhism…buddhism is “politicaly correct” brahmanism only…to deny casteism/atma is buddha’s deception shrewdness/cunningness …it is to fool masses so that they shouldn’t revolt ,…by killing their desires through meditation!!!buddha agrees with reincarnation hence caste system he never disagreed about caste system but closed his eyes towards it ,he himself boasts about his high caste lineage,jatak katha are full of caste stories,all bodhisatva are from higher castes,he was against womens admission in his sangha !!!.people need to understand that gautama gotra is brahmin gotra…ram krishna buddha ashoka are from same gotra suryavanshi Ikshvaku raghu clan…brahmin kshatriya are same people “arya clan”…”cheater clan” “god hating,god rejecting people…snake worshippers …these people are fooling common people since ages… some brahmins were projected as dalit leaders to protect their “dharma”or “dhamma”..”.beware of false prophets in sheeps clothings”…they are false messaih!! they were projected as dalit’s “massaiha”!!!it was brahmin conspiracy so that dalits should not turn to CHRIST or else brahmins kshatriya would lose their position in society …budhdha and hindu dharma is same fundamentally… “dharma” is nothing but caste based society…now they have continued casteism in the name of reservation and thus maintained their superior position in society by divide and rule policy !!!believe me…the day reservation is abolished in india is the day hinduism also abolished!!!there is no land holding for dalits in india ,no proper representation in parliament through their own votes!!!..there is no voice for them…they are being treated as 3rd or 4th class citizen by giving some petty reservation as alms…and that also to make them better slaves!!!there is no power sharing,all lands in india is owned by upper “castes” !!!dalits are never treated as equal brothers..please please please wake up guys..dont fall to deceptions of these upper class people…CHRIST is only hope for dalits in india…HE will free you from all sorts of slavery,be it mental psychological social or physical slavery…all humans are equal before CHRIST…and amazing fact is accepting CHRIST’S slavery is real freedom,he will wash your feets!!!CHRIST is ultimate freedom on earth…humans should be slaves to GOD(christ) and his commandments and not to another human beings or satan .GOD is real owner of everything .”karma dharma reincarnation moksha nirvana” theory is all false doctrine designed for deception,it is doctrine of satan and his demonic army…it is “sweet trap”…THE TRUTH is no “caste” is pure, all indians are genetically mixed up,from same genetic pool !!!…dharmic religions are political agenda to rule over masses..it is false religion ,.their “dhamma” or “dharma” is maintaining casteism thus superior position of certain groups…these “religions ” has nothing to do with sin , true god, or salvation of humans ….it is uncivilized animalistic savagic way of thinking and living…these people are insulting dalits due to some human act(honest work though dirty) in ancient past by their ancestors due to poverty or whatever reasons…did they break 10 commandments of god/moses ?no way…to differentiate humans on work of their ancestors is funny/stupid ,beyond any logic !!!human work is same be it brahmins work or shudra’s work…every human is judged by 10 commandments of god/moses and on how much you love your god and your neighbour…!!!and not on your dirty or clean work!!! please wake up guys…!!!dont humiliate/dehumanise yourself anymore….please wake up.thank you..
.”i am the way truth and life,no one comes to father except through me…” john 14:6
dalits of india are lost sheeps of CHRIST …AMEN.GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
the causes for indian freedom is :-
1) indian soldiers (mostly dalits and poor people) revolted against british india govt at the end of ww2 (why would upper caste go to war and kill himself leaving behind his property and status???)
2) and the atlantic treaty between usa and uk before/during ww2 …
3)and decision in uk parliament to free india due to economic reasons…
4) and votes by british citizens for their sympathy towards indian soldiers fightening for them…
and not these white clad upper caste freedom fighters as taught in our history books!!!these upper “caste” brahmins kshatriya are all thieves…!!!these idiots even chose song which praised britian’s christian king’s arrival in india in 1911, as national anthem!!!these people have brainwashed indians by projecting themselves as hero through false history textbooks….
please research it on net..please google it and know the truth.
AMEN…!!!PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST….!!!TRUE LIVING SAVIOUR GOD!
ian said
buddhism is false religion…it is nothing but distilled form of hinduism…indian constitution approves it as hinduism…budhdha never agitated against casteism,in fact he indirectly approved casteism in society…if you google it,you will find it….he only rejected it in his sangha because he alieneted sangha from society and its rules…he was against admission of women monks…why all bodhistvasare from high caste lineage?…jatak katha are full of casteism…low caste person can never become bodhisatva or budhha…gautama is brahmin gotra…budhdha ashoka ram krishna are from same gotra ..raghu surya ikshvaku shaka clan …brahmin ashoka attacked shudra king of kalinga…ashoka’s dharma was to maintain caste based society .it is common sense that anyone who approves reincarnation theory approves indirectly casteism in society also!!!he closed his eyes to human sufferings in society…killed his and follower bhikkhu’s compassion to help other human being in society, through meditation…to become copmpletely detached from it…to abolish all desires…according to buddha,even a desire to bring social reform or social justice to suffering people in society is attachment!!! he was selfishly concerned about his own liberation from this samsara!!!appo dip bhav…be light unto thyself….it is false doctrine because if you are fool and rely on yourself you will screw up your life…and humans are inherently limited by intelligence and senses ,limited by flesh…we need divine intelligence gospel of christ to guide us…or else we will fall prey to evil forces.”everything is changing” because GOD is working every moment according to HIS plan…”dukha” in life is because you turned away from GOD…you boast your wisdom and ego…you boast your karma!!!it is like blind leading blind…buddha is teaching to kill yourself slowly through meditation…kill your desires and compassion for suffering of this world, kill desires to help others…detach yourself from world…and thus escape samsara of rebirth cycle…he makes zero figure of his hands fingers saying that give zero importance to this world and its sufferings as it is maya “illusion” zero !!!… he is insulting gods labour and effort and love in making this beautiful world..insulting life as meaningless!!!.his eyes are half open so as to catch human souls, snatch them away from gods world and their efforts to make it more beautiful and admit them into his soulless pathetic sangha…he never disapproved suffering existed in society,he supports karma reincarnation…he says since his sangha is detached from society,hence its rules doesnt apply to sangha !!!he kicked his family for imaginary “nirvana”…selfish motive to escape rebirth cycles…but the sad fact is that “nirvana” is real illusion /maya…it is psychotic state ….not this GODS world,this world is real!!!…why should one believe a person who doesnt love his family ,kicked it ,caused injustice to them for his selfish motives?…and teaches others to kill their compassion and good desires ? close eyes to human suffering?he was too egoistic believing that his own karma will lead him to slavation…but he was wrong ,although his efforts were sincere ,he was finding it in wrong place,misguided lost soul!!he became victim of demonic spirits ,slow death worshipping…social justice is also one type of worldly craving/attachment according to buddha. ..will jesus approve such person?i think to force buddhism on dalit people of india is brahmanical conspiracy so as not to lose slaves and remain safe or else they will rebel.every human soul is equal and dignified in front of god..everything is his creation.. and .no one is inferior or superior..to respect/ love creation is to respect/ love creator…no man should boast his works or wisdom…for it is all filthy rags and foolishness for god….AMEN
ian said
THEORY OF KARMA AND REINCARNATION
1)suppose person B believes in karma dharma reincarnation theory…if person A kicks ass and beat person B and says in court that it was because of something wrong person B did to me in my past life…person B as defender of reincarnation theory,how will B defend himself about A kicking B’s ass in court?
2)how the very first people on earth were formed without their past (sanchit)karma?isnt it violation of law of karma at the very begining?
3)if our present is due to our past life karma,and our future is based on present life karma(which was due to past life karma!) if law of karma never fails then aren’t we robot?where is free will?
4)what is good karma for a tree to become human being?if reincarnation only happens in human being then why population is increasing?
5)if every living thing is in process of becoming human,if you boil water for tea then you are killing bacterias who would become human one day!!!hence you are killing would be humans!!!this way no one could be out of this rebirth trap!!!it is impossible!!!
6)we kill many living things under our feets ,through immunity ,cutting ,plants etc…law of karma demands if you take/kill life then you must also be able to give or “create” life…which is impossible…only god can create life,no other living thing!!!thus karma debt can never be fulfilled!!!
7)how will you explain suffering of child with cancer?a poor person?out caste person?if you help him then you are tinkering with his karma?let him suffer so he can escape cycles early!!!why delay his cycle by helping ??
8)these people calls everything maya and hence suffering also but at the same time comes again and again through rebirth to suffer!!!real repeated suffering in imaginary maya world !!!strange!!!
9)and ultimately soul reaches through endless rebirth cycles the state moksha nirvana where he doesnt remember anything…then whats the purpose of these rebirth cycles?if ultimate aim was to be with god then same could be achieved through one life, forgiving sin through christ and resurrection…ultimately everything is in gods hand…you cant reach it through karma or knowledge…humans are limited by senses and by flesh….why so much time pass of rebirth cycles?why torture soul?…and the fact is nobody knows beyond death…whatever is there it is in this one life only…rebirth is all imagination…deception …jesus is hope..he forgives you and loves you…he knows your human limitations…thats why he died for your sins of flesh,you cant get rid of sin on your own…and he promises heaven…not on karma ,not on wisdom…just a faith and trust on him..real things comes in
simple packages…he never manipulates your free will …JESUS is human face of REAL
GOD….reincarnation is hopeless pitfall of satan.if you are not with jesus then surely you are victim of evil spirits…..
10)where are proofs of reincarnation?millions of people die and born everyday on earth….whatever proof is there its all false …unreliability of brain hypnosis drugs de javu effect…in embryo fetus brain is not developed to carry memories….and if memeories are erased then how are we going to improve?it seems a sadistic hindu god!!!what are moral standard/law by which we are judged?and supposedly improve?
11)why doesnt person in amazon forest remembers his past life in medeival europe…why only some specific people remember their so called “past life” that also only in budhhist or hindu countries?why not in muslim countries?why male to male and female to female reincarnation?
12)we cant make a single living cell in this life then how come we are going to make whole body of future life by our presnt life karma?it seems strange that god makes all and every cells, respirations and heart beats but doesnt interfere karma!!!
13)what is the gurantee that hindu god will not kick you back again to earth even if you unite with him through endless cycles through moksha nirvana?he was detached observer when you were going through all the rebirth cycles!!!he never forgave you…he seems eager to kick back you to earth…why you came on earth to enter this rebirth cycle from the very begining?at the very start of cycle?did god kick you from moksha nirvana to earth to enter these cycles?what mistake you made there?and yet you aim again to unite with him…stupidness!!!
14)this theory soothes creates false pride false ego to upper class people but it is injustice to oppresed class and creates false guilt among them.but true fact is that genetically everyone is same indian…nobody is inferior or superior…it has been proved by harvard university research. karma reincarnation theory of buddhism and hinduism is ONLY responsible for all poverty and stupidity of third world countries…their minds and hearts are blinded by satan….JESUS is the only way truth and life…jesus is the one and only real true god…all others are evil spirits and demons,designed for deception and suffering…it is spiritual warfare going on…as you have free will you need to be careful at
choosing your god as consequences are horrible though at start it seems minimal..
15)if a person dies old age and enters in new body in infant…why doesnt infant behaves as old?
16)every time ,every situation is unique and hence every action is unique…karma of person A killing person B in young age will be different if he kills him at old age…hence every karma is unique and can’t be paid exactly since every moment is unique and different.
17)even a slight injury to brain or drugs changes a living person…it is difficult to believe that a brain decomposes and creates exact copy of itself in new body!!!science says every human beings on earth past present future has unique fingerprints so also unique brain and hence unique soul…
18)if soul is different from body then how will you explain psychosomatic disorders?
19)it forces us to think body as prison instead of temple for holy spirit…and as punishment,
20)it all leads to ultimate goal to kill yourself your desires “nirvana or make yourself mad “moksha”…it is impossible to abolish your desires and ego unless you are brain dead or kill yourself…
its like blind leading blind…do you think these dopers of bhang,average IQ of 70…people who doesnt know how to shit properly will come up with good concept? all through history and religion it has always been a naked savage dance of kshatriya and brahmana by their mutual consent in front of poor downtrodens… these people are uncivilised!!these are foolish people under influence of satan and demonic forces…!!!it is false doctrine from cheaters and stupid perverts!!!
“I AM THE WAY TRUTH AND LIFE,NO ONE COMES TO FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME”.
PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
ALL GLORY TO CHRIST, THE TRUE LIVING AND SAVIOUR GOD
AMEN.
ian said
vivekananda got scared when he read about christian missionaries study about hinduism and buddhism…hence he decided to revive it urgently.
“riddles of hinduism” is actually a copy paste of christian missionary studies in early 1900 in india
,modified by mr tilak first then by mr ambedkar!!!ambedkars all writings about hinduism were
influenced by his readings of christian missionary literature about hinduism and india,but being staunch hindu,he preferred buddhist version of hinduism.i.e buddhism,both are same in core concepts.any staunch hindu or high caste proud brahmin would do the same…in “apad dharma” duty person can do anything to save dharma!!!even if it requires cheating or anything !!! these people are experts in copying neverthless…!!!
Saurabh said
Ambedkar was looking like a depressed personality, he can b intelligent knowledgeable but not intellectual. He looks a man who was status hunger, when he failed to get he leaves millions of people behind and converted to Buddhism,without thinking about rest of people. Truly he was dalit, not a dalit leader.
Ricky said
Ambedkar should not have ever married a Brahmin girl.Brahmin is always a snake.He has no loyalty and no morals.I had a group of friends of 5 years of friendship and as soon as i let a Brahmin into the group within 2 months that strong bond of friendship turned into hate strongest hate just within 2 months.It was like he whispered magic into their ears.
If hadnt married a Brahmin girl maybe we could had our own country and would have all lived happily.
True liberation of dalits wont happen as long as they continue to be a part of India.
Abhinandan said
Very Powerful and satisfying answer.
How can we question our so called great leader ?
We are not more than idiots before Dr Ambedkar ji.
A Mandal said
I belong to a scheduled caste and I am ashamed to see you speak exactly like those Salafists who try to get Hindu women married into Muslim fold which now has earned the sobriquet of Love Jihad. They also say that Hindu women are enslaved and it’s the duty of every Muslim to convert them and get them to bear as many Muslim children as possible to reduce the Hindu population.
Naresh shenoy said
You have said that babasaheb can never be wrong. Agreed. Then y r u still demanding reservation? Babasaheb had wanted reservation for only 10 years. Plz reply.
Prabhat said
Bheem Rao Ambedkar married a Brahmin as he believed unity of Hindu society is necessary for growth of nation andas well as Dalits .He wanted to seek cooperation from Brahmin to improve condition of Harijans.
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YOLO said
Yes it is the people like you who create rucus and burn public property every now and then and need compensation and reservation everywhere afterwards. Babashaeb converted to Buddhism, the religion that preaches peace, why don’t follow in his foot steps rather than creating an atmosphere of restlessness. This won’t take you anywhere, what will take you somewhere is to become like Babashaeb and stop GundaGardi on his name.
JEW MURDABAD said
Bloody idiots, CHITPAVANS are JEWS and NOT Brahmins. They falsely claim to be brahmins. They look like Europeans with white skin and cat-like gray or green eyes. Your leader had married a JEW AND NOT A BRAHMIN. So, do not be elated.
ravan said
you guys have the sickest mentality like muslims. you are also doing love jihad in a different way. remember, brahmin are awaking and you guys are no longer going to benefit from your victim mentality. your mentality disgusts me.
Sanket said
Please understand this… the above written shit is totally illogical. Dr, Ambedkar was never against anyone but the Varna System. So here is the truth.
He had been ill for long those days and Mai was his doctor who would visit him for treatment. A single woman visiting a widower was looked upon badly in the society. So Dr. Ambedkar being a man of high virtue and a man who respected women thought of marring her to change his and her perspective in the then society.
What I feel that many of the self proclaimed witters like the one who has written the above paragraph are misanthropes and can never understand Dr. Ambedkar even for an inch.
Amit jaatav said
Sir one of my friend is brahmin , he married dalit girl , but they are in love and happy
Rushant Saseekumar said
Total bullshit
SHANTANU SHARMA said
To encourage intercaste marriage amongst Hindus….Hindus should come out of caste barrier and marry intercaste amongst Hindus..Dalits are our proud Hindu brothers….
true brahmin said
brahmin women who marry dalits are whores themselves not true brahmins amedekar wished he was brahmin his name amedekar was a marathi brahmin
Harish said
The person who married a Brahmin girl just because he wants to end the Brahmin religion and not because he loved that girl. It shows he was never a true leader, he can never be a revolutionary leader. This is the stupid thing you people are sharing on this site and maligning his name. If he had disclosed it then you people share it. Why do you people cook up the stories?
And after marrying a Brahmin women, the child born from Brahmin women still will have those Gunas..
Shekhar Bodhakar said
This article contains more (wrong) views than facts. The author is defending Dr Ambedkar’s decision to take for himself a Brahmin’s daughter as second wife. The question asked (in the heading) is not “was Dr Ambedkar right or wrong?” He surely wasn’t wrong. Anyone can marry whoever they want. They will have their own valid and personal reasons which they dont need to disclose to anyone.
The question is WHY he did so, NOT was he wrong? To me neither if these questions are important and the author is unnecessarily pitting Brahmin sympathizing Ambedkarites with anti Brahmin Ambedkarites.
More importantly, it gives wrong information in the end. Dr Ambedkar said “Educate, Agitate, organise.”
“Educate, Organise, Agitate” is the wrong sequence. Check this https://www.quora.com/What-was-Dr-B-R-Ambedkars-message-Educate-Organise-Agitate-or-Educate-Agitate-and-Organise/answer/Shekhar-Bodhakar?ch=3&share=7e7706cb&srid=5RNJE
AND “Educate Agitate Organise”
Why this order?
Post in annihilation of caste space
https://www.quora.com/q/annihilationofcaste/Education-Agitate-Organise?ch=3&share=21f09b76
Bangara said
Why he chose a Brahmin to be his Guru and even borrowed his surname?
Why he opposed reservation for Dalits?
Why he refused to draft Article 370 for J&K?
Do you all know they”real” reasons for such acts of Dr. Ambedkar? Can you keep aside your hate of Brahmins for a few minutes and give correct answers for such questions?
And finally, can you imagine why I as a Brahmin by birth say that Ambedkar should have been the first Prime Minister of India and not Nehru?