Mayavathi’s rally of Dalit solidarity in Bangalore on December 23rd was ignored by the toilet papers of India who call themselves national newspapers. They were all celebrating the victory of the Ganchi, Narendra Modi. This was a historic rally and will be remembered for many years. For the first time Mayavathi is going to repeat what happened in UP in Karnataka. In Karnataka the next government will be formed by BJP and BSP alliance as no single party will get a mandate. As we have been saying in Dalitnation we need a weakened congress so that the mandate is fractured. In a way we do support the brahman jati party because we know all the nuts and bolts of Brahman Jati party and how to dismantle it. The magic formula to kill BJP is CASTE. So all dalits should look forward to BJP getting more seats from their upper caste votes and BSP from lower caste and muslim votes. Once the BSP comes to power the BJP can be easily destroyed. Dr Ambedkar has shown us how the caste system of Manuwadis work. We will use their own caste system to finish them. It is the congress which is the problem. They always come in between Dalits and power. BEWARE OF CONGRESS.
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Pandoras said
Mayavathi is a greedy and corrupt leader who declared 52 crores as her personal assets. She is just looting the state and the people in the name of Dalits. What about the welfare of Dalits why does she need so much money. The moment anyone asks why she needs this she says upper castes are corrupt so she is also corrupt. She is from a relatively wealthy family from delhi and they have been beneficiaries of resarvations all through out and their family members have government jobs and still she calls herself as oppressed. She is now walloing in the delusion that she will become prime minister but fortunately the whole of india is not full of idiotic people like in uttar pradesh which elected her. UP will pay for electing these corrupt people.
dorairajan silvanus said
Ms Mayavathi is the only leader who has a following and aceptability throughout India other than Mrs.Sonia Gandhi. Ther are no other National Leaders.in India.
True some leaders have influence and following in some parts of the country, but not throughout India and they cannot emerge as National Leaders
There is no other choice, only either of the two can lead our Nation.
Curious said
Mayawati’s real name is Mayawati Kumari or Mayawati Nanina Kumari??
C.L.CHUMBER said
Respected Sir/Madam, I have sent an email but not visible on your esteemed website . Why ? Pl let me know. I have documentary as well circumstantial evidences in support my writing.Thanks.
Sunil Dalkari said
Dear viewver
I am a hindu boy. and I pray to Bhagwan Ram and Krishan. In Bhawat Geeta Lord Krishna said that it is better to get finish in your own religion than to change it.
Now what Abmedkar done was, he changed his pantha or you can say dharma.(religion)
So I can say either Lord Krishna was foolish ………..
If not then Ambedkar was foolish and i will say Ambedkar was tinpat.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear hindu boy,
Neither Rama nor Karishna was hindu ! The hindu term was fixed by the Muslims which means black,habashi & theif in the persion language ! The hindus accepted this term as the hindus fixed harijan term for scheduled castes.The self-respectful Scs resented on this term & the states /central govts. banned this term for Scs.I advise hindus to get rid of this un-respectful term.The hindus claimed to be hereditary intellectuals for nothing.They must watch the list of Noble prize winners/olympic games/inventions/discoveries details & find their names with microscope/telescope ! They are boasting .
Dear hindu boy ,king Rama killed saint Shambuk as badshah Aurangzeb killed guru Tegh Bahadur.Karishna said derogatory remarks against Scs/Scts/OBCs in Gita .Rama & Karishna were cent per cent `manuwadis`.The brahmins/kashatry/vaish are only hindus,How a true humanist & self-respectful person can give respct to inhumanistic & irrational person? Can Indians/Indian govt. give respect to general Dayer ?
Dr.Ambedkar was not foolish. The hindu boy is confirmed foolish who recognises rapist/racist/fascist GODS ! BEWARE OF FOLLOWERS OF RAPIST/RACIST/FASCIST GODS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suni said
hello C.L.CHUMBER
you might have read the non sence book from nonsence people . because Ambedkar was just the chairman of that constitution and signatory not the actual writer so please first review your knwoledge first and then reply . if you dont belive in GOD then Is your father created this earth and Is your father is reponsible for functionality of this nature
think over it
C. L . CHUMBER said
NEITHER AMBEDKAR NOR P.H.GUPTA IS NONSENSE
Dear Suni ji ,
You said I read nonsense books.You also said Ambedkar was just the chairman of the constitution and signatory of the , not actual writer .I ask some questions-
( ! ) What was the duty of Dr. Ambedkar as chairman ?
( 2 ) What was the duty of each member of constituent assembly ?
( 3 ) What was the significance of theirs signs .on the draft of constitution ?
( 4 ) Who is the actual writer of the constitution ?
( 5 ) Are Brahma , Vishnu and incarnations Gods .? What are the parameters of a God.?
( 6 ) What have you proof that I do not believe in God ?
( 7 ) Are you civilise having common sense when you write to me , ” Is your father created this earth and is your father is responsible for this nature .”
( 8 ) How Dr. Ambedkar & P.H.Gupta , Bar-at-law are nonsense whose books I quoted .
( 9 ) Have you read books which I quoted ?
I have the constituent assembly debates in 9 vols. and caligraphic copy of the 1st copy of the constitution published by govt. of India.Please read them .T
Our God`s parameters are: :one,immaculate,sinless,eternal,infinite,amorphous,unborn,timeless,omnipresent,peerless and true ! Thanks.
C. L . CHUMBER said
Respected Administrator of the Dalit-Nation ,
I have replied Mr.Suni on 15th and sent to your good self which surfaced on Dali-nation then disappeared .How ? Then I again sent a new reply which was also surfaced on Dalit-Nation on 17th instant .But disappeared on 18th instant.How ? Also my writing on !7th ( in continuation of above -under Devdasi) disappeared . How ? My two another writings were also disappeared after surfacing on your esteemed Dalit-Nation of which some material I sent to the PM
of India reg .how Indian judiciary at Delhi High Court level helped the anti -Bahujans to finish Sahib Kanshi Ram ji.I was astonished to read the news papers that the PM said in his speech in the Chief Ministers of Indian states that the Indian judiciary is corrupt.My complaint ( 23rd April @ 9.43 pm ) is regarding this . Please do the needful to know the viewers both versions to make theirs minds accordingly .Thanks
C. L . CHUMBER said
Respected Administrator,
Please write “peerless” after ” omnipresent” in the line above the last line of my writing dated 17th instant.Sorry for inconvenience.Thanks.
MV said
BSP contested in 183 seats in Karnataka elections and they lost in all the seats. They even lost their deposits. Mayavathi’s dream of making it in Karnataka is a pipedream and it has been clearly show by the Krnataka poll verdict. THe casteist BSP has been defaced and thrown to the gutters by the people of karnataka and they have favoured the nationalists.
C,L.CHUMBER said
BJP IS ANTI -NATIONALIST MANUWADI PARTY !!!!!
Dear MV ji,
If the BSP lost all the seats ,it does not shows the BSP is anti-nation and BJP is a nationalist party.. The Congress which is ruling India with alliance also did not come in power.Is congess also an anti-nation party. According to your parameters,BJP is also anti-national and casteist party in UP ! BJP is manuwadi casteist party which is struggling for Ram temple at Ayodya who was the incarnation of rapist Vishnu.Rama killed a shudra saint Shambuk and banished his wife Sita without any fault .Once the BJP got only two seats in Lok Sabha..BJP is really anti-national manuwadi party.Beware of it.
hh said
Chumber,
Is this not getting tiring for you, repeating all the time at Rama killing shambuka or sending sita to forest.
Can you not even try to understand the whole rasa leela of such things instead of using selective incidents to feed your hatered?
C,L.CHUMBER said
RAMA KILLED PIOUS SAINT SHAMBUKA AND BANISHED HIS WIFE SITA !!!!!
Dear Viewers,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ Lavnya wrote ( May 28,2008 @ 7.59am ) as below :-
Is this not getting tiring for you, repeating all the time at Rama killing shambuka or sending sita to forest.
Can you not even try to understand the whole rasa leela of such things instead of using selective incidents to feed your hatered? ”
Have the Sikhs tired for repeating that the emperors Jahangir and Aurangzeb killed their Gurus Arjan Dev and Tegh Bahadur ? Have the Christians tired by celebrating the Good Friday ? Have the Hindus tired by burning the effigies of Ravna,Kumbhkaran and Meghnad ? Have you tired defending a King who killed an innocent and pious saint Shambuk ? Have you tired defending a king who banished and compelled to suicide his innocent and pious wife ? This is a big task of mental liberation of the women and aboriginal Indians.
This is my constitutional and ethical foremost duty to dare to fight with socio-religious bad elements.HAM HONGEN KAMYAAB EK DIN !!!!! THANKS.
hh said
By going on repeating these ancient stories what do you get?
In what way can you improve your life with it?
hh said
Aap already kamyaab ho ya kamyaab hone ke raste par ho. Lekin khush nahin ho.
Mazhab jaisi batoon se apni zindagi na kharab karen. Isse kisika pet nahin bharta.
Pado, likho, acchi zindagi jiyo aur khush raho.
Jise jo mazhab jina hai, voh uski marzi. Usme dakhalandaz dene ka haq na aap ko hain na hum ko. Sab apni marzi ke malik hain. Aur sab ki marzi sirf Ishwar hi jaane.
C,L.CHUMBER said
YES. I AM NOT HAPPY IN INDIA WHERE CRORES & CRORES WORSHIP
RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS THEIRS GODS !!!!!
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ji,
I belong to a family who produced one B.A.( Hons),B.T.( now B.Ed). of Pb.Uni.Lahore who later on posted as dy.secretary of U.P.S.C. of India and retd.as Jt.Chief Controller of Import & Export of India.My father was M.A.( Eco) & Dip.in Russian of Delhi University.I was Tehsil Welfare Officer under !8 and left the job at 21.My four dozens relatives are NRIs.I am a news editor of a daily.My wife is govt.teacher .My two children did M.B.A./hons.degree in software engg.of U.K.They both are managers in MNCs.My other child did multimedia degree with 83% overall and 98% in 4th sem.My fourth child is doing B.P.A.I pledged my house for their hr.study loan.
As you wrote ,I am stilL not happy because there are crores and crores Indian citizens who have no kulli ,gulli and julli.Our prime minister is rootless person nominated by the intrnational capitalists supported by brahminism.Our finance minister bothers for development not for inflation.The brahmins worship rapist,racist and fascist so called gods.That is why I am not happy.Why are you’ Happy Hindu’? NO RAPISM ,RACISM AND FASCISM IN THE NAME OF RELIGION !!!!! Thanks.
C,L.CHUMBER said
Please read 98% marks in 8th sem of 4th year.He is now animator.Sorry for inconvenience.Thanks.
hh said
Chumberji,
Not only you, everyone else is also trying to fight corruption and egoism and make better life for themselves. Maybe this is a fight for resources, i dunno. And maybe religion had a huge role to play in the distribution of those resources leading to the unintended supression of some sections, a subject matter that am trying to figure out and do not understand at the moment.
But your anger in not being able to follow your own religion and live a life of dignity within it is very understandable.
Please tell me in what can the common man help you?
C,L.CHUMBER said
I AM A STAUNCH FOLLOWER AND PREACHER OF ADI-DHARAM
AND NEED NOT TO FOLLOW ANY OTHER RELIGION !!!!
Dear Happy Hindu @ Lavnya,
You people misbehaved with the administrators of this blog,Dr.Ambawdekar,Kancha Ilahia and the other writers including myself.You can study this blog .I cannot tolerate this nonsense at any coste ,If a person have no respect,he/she is just like a moving dead body.A dead body must rest forever or react according to NEWTON`S 3RD LAW OF GRAVITY .I have searched for rapists,racists and fascists Gods in Google.I was astonished to know the Google enlisted our debate at the topmost.
I am a very simple ,social and calm person .In my student life,I used to challenge the all students to top,otherwise I will suicide .I succeeded every year.But in a DAV college,my HINDU professors spoiled my dream to be a doctor.I challenged them that one day I would be a social doctor..The Hindu professors still spoil the careers of dalit students.
My son was not permitted to appeare in the 5th sem for two years.My wife had to go to university twice in a sem to get permission for
admission and for exam permission.This was a routine upto 7th sem.In the 7th sem his classmates threatened to bycott the exam.I still remind how he loudly wept when he was not permitted to sit in 5th sem exam.My wife asked me to come in field to solve the problem.I went to the bramin lady principal to gave us in writtig.He refused .The principal had no principles.Then, we both meet dealing supdtof the university..He refused.Then we meet an asstt.registrar who ordered to clear the matter.The Hindu clerk wrote notting against us .The Sikh registrar ordered him to rewrite a notting by allowing 5th sem as late appearing and 8th sem regular appearing.Our brillint and determined son got 92% marks in 5th sem and 98% in 8th sem.My son`s Sikh professor of Kanpur resigned in protest .He helped his student in plcement at NOIDA ( UP).We are still not in anger because we and our son gave a befitting reply to the manuwadis.Now the same college management is pursuing my son to be a professor in their college but my wife turned down their offer.The same way I turndown your ” common man help” who worship rapist,racist and fascist Gods with thanks.
S. K. said
Ms. Mayavathi, the Honorable chief minister of uttarpradesh has become a bhramin and the dalits should not trust her anymore. She is power hungry and will not care about the welfare of dalits.
Martian said
This great lady backed by so called intellectuals, could NOT get a single seat in the assembly elections in Karnataka!!
And the great author says she will be remembered a long time! ROFL 🙂
No wonder these idiots are backward – Like someone said, India is the only country where people fight to be called backward!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
ONE DAY BRAHMINS WILL FIGHT TO BE CALLED AS BACKWARDS !!!!!
Respected Viewers,
First of all,I am sorry for not participating in e-dialogue as I was on a hectic tour of three weeks of Maharastra state.Mr./Mrs. S.K. said that Ms.Mayawati has become a power hungry and become a Brahmin.Every political party and its leaders are power hungry.She can not become a Brahmin as there is no provision in the Hindu religion to change one`s varna ! She is the political stooge of the Brahmins and she also created some sub-stooges of others castes/varnas including Brahmins.
Mr./Mrs.Martin said (June 18, 2008 @ 3:54 am),”No wonder these idiots are backward – Like someone said, India is the only country where people fight to be called backward!!! ” There was a time when the non-brahmins claimed to be brahmins .Now the people fight to be called backward class due to their awareness to be rulers through govt. jobs ! The Brahmins of Tamil Nadu long ago demanded reservation .The reservation is a constitutional right of SCs,STs and OBCs and this is not for idiots .Please have judicious mind.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY MAYAWATI SOLD BSP MEDIA CENTER AT NOIDA FOR RS.5.43 CRORES ?
Dear Viewers ,
The administrators of esteemed Dalit-Nation blog said wrightly ,” Mayavathi’s rally of Dalit solidarity in Bangalore on December 23rd was ignored by the toilet papers of India who call themselves national newspapers .” When on 25th Oct.,1996 ,the manuwadi press boycotted of Shahid-e-azam sahib Kanshi Ram & B.S.P. , a weekly bulletin was launched in Punjabi on 16th Nov.1996 at Ludhiana ( Pb.) to gear up the B.S.P. cadre for coming Punjab assembly election .He was the printer,publisher and editor of this bulletin having 25,000 circulation for free distribution among B,S.P.workers . I was bestowed by the resident editorship of this bulletin.
On 3rd Nov.1996,Sahib Kanshi Ram ,myself ,Mr.Aman Kumar Nagra ( M.P.from Ambala ) and Mr.Avtar Singh Karimpuri from Punjab visited the B.S.P.`s Media Center at Noida ( Delhi National Capital Region ) .Then Sahib Kanshi Ram ji and myself visited again in July ,2001.He told me that Rs.one crore was spent on air cooling system .On 6th Dec.1996 ,Sahib Kanshi Ram announced in his speech at Jalandhar that there will be our news papers from Jalandhar City in Punjabi ,from Noida in English and Hindi from 15th Aug.1997.A notorious group headed by Mayawti created hurdels .They made my road accident on 7th Feb.1997 at Phagwara (Pb.) in which my two companions were murdered .I , my wife ,my son and three other companions were injured severely.We had to admit for three weeks in D.M.C.Hospital.Ludhiana.Sahib Kanshi Ram visited the hospital to meet us .He spent the whole expense on our treatment.
Then I visited Delhi to meet Sahib Kanshi Ram to tell the names of concepirators .He at once phoned the main concipirators of Garhshankar (Pb.).They immediate quereled with the local police to be jailed to save them selves from the anguish of Sahib Kanshi Ram .Then this caucus
abducted Sahib Kanshi Ram from Hyderbad in Sept.2003 and on presidentship ,funds and property of B.S.P. Ms Mayawti sold Noida Media Center for Rs.5.43 crores only.THE TOILET CLEANERS LOST A RARE GOLDEN CHANCE TO COUNTER THE TOILET NEWS PAPERS !!!!! WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ? ? ? ? ? I
C,L.CHUMBER said
P.S. SAHIB KANSHI RAM ALSO ANNOUNCED DAILY NEWS PAPER IN MARATHI FROM NAGPUR.We HAVE RECORDED HIS ENTIRE AUDIO/VISUAL SPEECH .
Krishna said
Ok Chumber-ji.
i get it. so you are a BSP worker.
No wonder you are making a career out of this.
Sorry sir, i will always need a brahmin in my life.
Hinduism will not get bogged down by politicians.
Please join a social organization instead of a political organization.
Hannes said
Fascinating site and well worth the visit. I will be back<
C,L.CHUMBER said
HINDUISM/ BRAHMINISM IS A DEAD RELIGION FOR NON-BRAHMINS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Krishna said ( July 18, 2008 @ 10:11 am ) ,” Ok Chumber-ji.I get it. so you are a BSP worker.No wonder you are making a career out of this.Sorry sir,I will always need a brahmin in my life.Hinduism will not get bogged down by politicians.Please join a social organization instead of a political organization.”
Yes,I am a B.S.P.`s worker .When I was a student in college in Punjab,I met to Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram on 24th June,1974 ( Emegency imposing Day ) in Delhi.Actually,he was a junior colleague of my father late Mr. Punjab Rai Chumber M.A.( Eco.),Dip.in Russian in the ministry of defence .My father was posted at New Delhi and Sahib Kanshi Ram was posted at Dehradoon and Pune .Sahib Kanshi Ram used to come to our home whenever he come to Delhi.My father hoisted a Republican Party`s flag on our house that is why he was suspended once.When he was suspended , I used to accompany him to sale chhole-bhature at the Red Fort , New Delhi.He was murdered in Amritsar under mysterious circumstances on 25th Oct.1968.I am proud to be a joint son of these two socio-economic revolutionaries ! I left my college study to join Sahib Kanshi Ram so that he may not felt the in-presence of his late friend.I did also a job in Connaught Place ,New Delhi.Then I join as Tehsil Welfare Officer in Punjab in Feb.1976 but I left that job on 12th Oct.,1979 to be whole heartedly full time with Sahib Kanshi Ram ji.
Mr.Krishna advised me to join any social organization .Actually , Bamcef AND B.S.P. are main wings of Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram`s ” SOCIAL-TRANSFORMATION AND ECONOMIC-EMANCIPATION MOVEMENT .”
MR.kARISHNA SAID ,” Hinduism will not get bogged down by politicians.” WHEN I WAS A STUDENT OF 5TH CLASS , A GIRL STUDENT CLAIMED THAT HER HARD COVER OF A COPY COULD NOT BE BROKEN .I AT ONCE TORN OUT IN PIECES .NOW MR. VIJAY BOASTED LIKE THAT INNOCENT GIRL . THE POLITICIANS DRAFTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION AND RULE THE COUNTRY .EXCEPT THE VETICAN CITY AND DICTATORIAL STATES ,EVERY WHERE RULE THE POLITICIANS.THE LAST HINDU STATE NEPAL IS NOW RULED BY THE POLITICIANS ! YOUR VISHANU , BRAHMA ,.KRISHNA AND RAMA ALL WERE POLITICIANS NOT RELIGIOUS PERSONS .RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING WHO EVEN BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE WITHOUT INFORMING HER .A TRUE POLITICIAN IS NEXT TO TRUE GOD.THE HINDUISM/BRAHMINISM IS A DEAD RELIGION FOR THE NON-BRAHMINS WHO ARE 2ND,3RD OR 4TH GRADE IN THIS DEAD RELIGION DUE TO ITS VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!! WE HATE HINDUISM AND HINDUS WHOSE ACTIVITIES ARE ANTI-CONSTITUTION .THE INDIAN GOVT.MUST BAN IT AT ONCE TO BE A WORLD POWER !!!!!
silly said
IF KRISHNA AND RAMA ALL WERE POLITICIANS NOT RELIGIOUS BUT EVIL PERSONS, THEN ARE YOU A EVIL POLITICIAN ALSO?
C,L.CHUMBER said
A SILLY PERSON CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE ARGUEMENTS DUE TO HIS BENT OF MIND AND SELF INTERESTS . MR./MRS /MISS SILLY CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM SILLY TO LILLY . PLEASE HAVE A MEANING FUL NAME AND FAME .
MR.SILLY ! IF YOUR BROTHER-IN-LAW DESERTS YOUR SISTER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HER,HER CHILDREN AND TO YOUR GOOD SELF . MATA SITA AND MATA RUKMANI ARE JUST LIKE MY WIDDOW MOTHER . I WILL TRY MY BEST TO EXPOSE THOSE PERSONS WHO MADE THEIRS LIVE HELL WHETHER THEY ARE GODS !!!!! YOU ALL KNOW THE TRAGIC ENDS OF THE PERSONS WHO TOURCHRED MATA SITA AND MATA RUKMANI.THERE IS NO TEMPLE OF BRAHMA IN THE WORLD EXCEPT PUSHKAR ( RAJASTHAN ) BECAUSE THE HINDU SOCIETY INCLUDING BRAHMINS DID NOT LIKE BRAHMA WHO DESERTED HIS PIOUS AND INNOCENT WIFE AS WELL AS HIS SERIOUS PUBLICALLY ATTEMPT TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
I ASSURE YOU , ONE DAY THE COMING MODERN ETHICAL GENERATION OF INDIA WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! I AM NOT DOING POLITICS .IF YOU BLAME ME INTENTIO0NALLY ,THEN I WILL BE COMPELLED TO MAKE THIS ISSUE A PUBLIC ISSUE . YOU CAN NOT FACE THAT SITUATION .PLEASE HAVE A JUDICIOUS MIND,FIRST COMER !!!!!
123 said
Why are these jobless people so botehred about Mata Sita and Mata Rukmani.
Looks like they have nothing else to do.
All very dumb.
C,L.CHUMBER said
SENSELESS PERSONS CAN NOT REALIZE THE HUMILIATIONS WHICH MATA SITA AND MATT RUKMANI FACED BECAUSE THEY ( MR./MRS./MISS.132 AND LIKE MINDED PERSONS ) ARE MANUWADIS AGAINST WOMEN OF ALL VARNAS , SHUDRAS AND VAISH ( REF. THE GITA , CHAPTER 9 , STANZA 32)
h said
Again you repeat the same shloka – again and again.
You have already decided that the meaning must be only that. Nothing else.
You do not want to listen to anybody’s explanation.
Instead you want to send legal notices to people. There are no scores to settle. We are both the same (yes i cannot say i know the gita better than you, no i don’t. The only diff is the angle from which we see things).
I welcome you to join Iskon with a open heart. You can become a brahmin. If you truly work for the betterment of our brothers and sisters (stop talking about caste, ensure they study hard), then I promise you, you will truly be regarded as a brahmin.
(Ps: no, i have never beielved in caste by birth theory, but if someone does, then i leave them alone – no point trampling on anyone’s sentiments).
C,L.CHUMBER said
BRAHMIN IS A FAKE DEGREE OF A FAKE UNIVERSITY !!!!
I HATE BRAHMINS AND THEIRS RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS WELL AS THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr.h said (August 14, 2008 @ 1:06 pm ) ,” I welcome you to join Iskon with a open heart. You can become a brahmin. If you truly work for the betterment of our brothers and sisters (stop talking about caste, ensure they study hard), then I promise you, you will truly be regarded as a brahmin.”
MY ANSWER IS :- I HATE BRAHMIN WORD AS WELL AS BRAHMIN WORLD !!!!WHAT IS ISKON ? I HATE YOUR KRISHNA WHO DESERTED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE MATA RUKMANI .HE WAS THE DARLING OF THE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIRS JOINT WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURAVS IN GAMBLING .I HATE GAMBLING,GAMBLERS AND FRIENDS OF THESE BOTH .
THE BRAHMIN IS NOT A PRPFESSIONAL DEGREE TO PREACH EQUALITY,LIBERITY,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE ! YOUR BRAHM / BRAHMA ARE ARE ANTI-HUMANITY.WHY DO YOU PREFER BRAHMIN ? WHY DO NOT YOU ALL TRY YOUR BEST TO BE SHUDRA/VAISH/KSHATTRIYA ? WHAT IS SPECIALITY IN BRAHMIN ?
MY FRIEND MR. S. ROY CHOUDARY FROM KOLKATA ASKED ME TO BECOME A MEMBER OF ISKON BY PAYING RS.TEN THOUSANDS IN 1985 AD BUT I REFUSED. MR.HAPPY HINDU @ H CLAIMED TO BE EXPERT IN THE GITA .HIS PREFERENCE FOR BRAHMINS SHOWS HIS MANUWADI BENT OF MIND .THE GITA IS ALSO PRO-BRAHMIN AND ANTI NON-BRAHMINS AND ANTI WOMEN !!!! BEWRE OF THESE PEOPLE !!!!
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h said
MR.HAPPY HINDU @ H CLAIMED TO BE EXPERT IN THE GITA .HIS PREFERENCE FOR BRAHMINS SHOWS HIS MANUWADI BENT OF MIND .THE GITA IS ALSO PRO-BRAHMIN AND ANTI NON-BRAHMINS AND ANTI WOMEN !!!! BEWRE OF THESE PEOPLE !!!!
If dumb is a word, then it has lost its meaning.
If quoting the opposite all the time is being dumb, then its a bottomless pit.
When did i claim to be an expert in Gita?
I said this:
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h said,
August 14, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Again you repeat the same shloka – again and again.
You have already decided that the meaning must be only that. Nothing else.
You do not want to listen to anybody’s explanation.
Instead you want to send legal notices to people. There are no scores to settle. We are both the same (yes i cannot say i know the gita better than you, no i don’t. The only diff is the angle from which we see things).
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Since you say:
I HATE BRAHMIN WORD AS WELL AS BRAHMIN WORLD !!!!
You have no right to prescribe marriages asking brahmins to marry dalits then.
You are free to suffer in your hatered.
And this statement of yours sums your mentality:
WHY DO NOT YOU ALL TRY YOUR BEST TO BE SHUDRA/VAISH/KSHATTRIYA ? WHAT IS SPECIALITY IN BRAHMIN ?
You do not know an iota of hindusim, yet you have come out to bash it and make a living. Who gave you that right? You have no right to demean anything that you are NOT a part of.
C,L.CHUMBER said
I WILL ARRANGE 100 INTERCASTE / INTER-VARNAS MARRIAGES AMONG BRAHMINS AND DALITS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
I said ,” I HATE BRAHMIN WORD AS WELL AS BRAHMIN WORLD !!!! ” There is a younger generation of the dalits and brahmins who do not recognizes caste / varna system . They want to dynamite this system by doing intercaste marriage .I LOVE THAT BRAHMINS AND DALITS !!!!! My mentality is liberal and constitutional .Mr.Happy Hindu is the stooge of the castiest brahmins and do not reconizes non-brahmins as human beings.I am an Indian citizen and I have a fundamental right to express my views .
Why are you all affraid of intercaste marriage ? This is an adult`s individual choice .Whether he/she do marriage in his / her caste / varna or not .Mr.Happy Hindus are behaving like the mullahs of brahmins !!!!! I will arrange 100 inter- varna marriages of brahmins and dalits.I will invite them with families in this year soon !!!!!
h said
I WILL ARRANGE 100 INTERCASTE / INTER-VARNAS MARRIAGES AMONG BRAHMINS AND DALITS !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
I said ,” I HATE BRAHMIN WORD AS WELL AS BRAHMIN WORLD !!!! ” There is a younger generation of the dalits and brahmins who do not recognizes caste / varna system . They want to dynamite this system by doing intercaste marriage .I LOVE THAT BRAHMINS AND DALITS !!!!! My mentality is liberal and constitutional .Mr.Happy Hindu is the stooge of the castiest brahmins and do not reconizes non-brahmins as human beings.I am an Indian citizen and I have a fundamental right to express my views .
Why are you all affraid of intercaste marriage ? This is an adult`s individual choice .Whether he/she do marriage in his / her caste / varna or not .Mr.Happy Hindus are behaving like the mullahs of brahmins !!!!! I will arrange 100 inter- varna marriages of brahmins and dalits.I will invite them with families in this year soon !!!!!
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If two people want to marry and spend the rest of their lives with each other, and if you can arrange it for them, i will be very happy to attend it.
I myself am a 3rd generation product of mixed marriages, why should i be “afraid of inter-caste marriages”; esp when i do not beleive in ‘caste’?
You say that i “do not reconize non-brahmins as human beings”. How can i do that when i myself am a non-brahmin?
Either you quote the opposite of what i say or you make baseless allegations against me. i request you to stop doing that. this is not some personal fight.
you wish to be a somebody, that is good for you. i wish to remain a nobody, please leave me alone. please attack my view-points and not me the person.
if you keep attacking me the person, it only means that you are not giving yourself a chance to learn. do not force me to attack you the person in retaliation – i do not want to do that – you are a non-violent person and genuinely concerned for your brethern, so i do actually like you.
here i am learning from you and in that way you are my guru as well – because of you, i have started reading the bhagvad gita now.
C . L. CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU MAY BE NON-BRAHMAN BY BIRTH BUT HE IS A STOOGE OF THE BRAHMANS AND THEIR IRRATIONAL PHILOSOPHY !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Happy Hindu@ Lavnya @ Correction ( August 21, 2008 @ 10:11 am ) said ,” I myself am a 3rd generation product of mixed marriages, why should i be “afraid of inter-caste marriages”; esp when i do not beleive in ‘caste’?
You say that i “do not reconize non-brahmins as human beings”. How can i do that when i myself am a non-brahmin ? ”
My answer is : – Mr Happy Hindu may be product of 3rd generation but but he is ataunch follower of brahma who invented the varna / caste system like filthy system .A staunch follower of rapist , racist and fascist Vishanu and his incarnations is a confirmed anti non-brahmans ,
I am not attacking personally .Once he invited me to be a Brahman which hurted my sentiments .This is just like a Muslim invite him to convert to Islam ! He had attacked me and my dalit nation personally for which he had already felt sorry . I am fully responsible ethically and legally for my views .
C . L. CHUMBER said
” THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE UP TO 9TH,10TH CENTURY A.D.IN WHICH BHAGWAN VALMIKI IS DESCRIBED AS DACOIT ! BHAI GURDAS AND PANDIT TULSI DAS MADE FICTITIOUS STORIES TO HIGHLIGHT KING RAMA “, DR.MANJULA SAHDEV, HEAD , BHAGWAN VALMIKI CHAIR,PUNJABI UNIVERSITY , PATIALA ( PB. ),INDIA .( REF.KAUMI UDARIAN, 15TH JULY, 1998. MYSELF IS EDITOR ).
C .L . CHUMBER said
HERE IS A DETAIL OF VEDIC ABUSIVE LANGUAGE WHICH THE VEDIC CULTURED PEOPLE USE AGAINST MY SELF AND THE DALIT-NATION !!!!!
Pandoras said
February 7, 2008 @ 8:21 am
She is now walloing in the delusion that she will become prime minister but fortunately the whole of india is not full of IDIOTS people like in uttar pradesh which elected her.
Sunil Dalkari said,
April 26, 2008 @ 6:06 am
So I can say either Lord Krishna was foolish ………..
If not then Ambedkar was foolish and i will say Ambedkar was tinpat.
Suni said,
May 10, 2008 @ 1:06 pm
if you ( C.L.Chumber )dont belive in GOD then Is your father created this earth and Is your father is reponsible for functionality of this nature
think over it
MV said,
May 26, 2008 @ 7:51 am
THe casteist BSP has been defaced and thrown to the GUTTERS by the people of karnataka and they have favoured the nationalists.
Martian said,
June 18, 2008 @ 3:54 am
No wonder these IDIOTS are BACKWARD – Like someone said, India is the only country where people fight to be called backward!!!
123 said,
August 8, 2008 @ 12:13 pm
Why are these jobless people so botehred about Mata Sita and Mata Rukmani.
Looks like they have nothing else to do.
All very DUMB.
h said,
August 19, 2008 @ 2:48 am
If dumb is a word, then it has lost its meaning.
If quoting the opposite all the time is being dumb, then its a bottomless pit.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHKEYAN ! INVENTED THE ” CHUMBERWAD ” !!!!!
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!
YOU NEVER CONDEMNED THE IRRATIONALITY , UNEQUALITY WHICH BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS INVENTED , PERSERVED AND GLORIFIED INDO-ARYANS` CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM . YOU EVEN ENJOYED THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE LIKE M/S HAPPY HINDU , SANJAM AND MANY MORE ! THIS CONFIRMS THE FILTHY BENT OF MIND OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL CONTINUE TILL ITS DESTINATION . THE TIME WILL TELL WHO IS TRUE WARRIOR AND WHO IS THE RAN-CHHOD IN THIS ETHICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!! SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
Karthikeyan said,
September 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
Chumber Ji,
Now every reader knows what Chumberwadi rationality means, what Chumberwadi eqality means and what Chumberwadi parliamentary words mean.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I ADMIRE CHUMBER JI`S STEADFAST STAND IN HIS VIEWS , HOWEVER POINTLESS THEY MAY BE !!!!! NOW PLEASE READERS , DON`T LABEL ME CHUMBERWADI BECAUSE I ADMIRED AND GLORIFIED CHUMBER JI !!!!! – MR. KARTHIKEYAN
Karthikeyan said,
October 1, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Hello readers,
I’ve made it clear that it is not my headache to keep on condemning and finding fault with people. I also reasoned that “give no resistance to evil, it will go away by itself”. I had always written my impartial views. I never lied.
huh.. I’m a mere mortal. I get tired often. I cannot be in full warmed up state always. I admire Chumber Ji’s steadfast stand in his views, however pointless they may be. Now please readers, don’t label me Chumberwadi because I admired and glorified Chumber Ji. I’m not any “wadi” or “ist”. I’m a socially responsible citizen.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE HINDUS USED TO BURN THE WIVES WITH THEIR DEAD HUSBANDS . SUCH IS THE DEAD THINKING OF THE HINDUS STILL !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Mesquiteice said https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/dalits-must-agitate-for-reservation-in-private-sector/#comment-1836( October 1, 2008 @ 5:03 am ) ,” BEGGARS CANNOT BE CHOOSERS.Beggars have to beg! Some beggars beg on the basis of poverty, while some beg based on their caste. But they can only get what is thrown at them. They cant demand.”
MY ANSWER IS : – INDIA IS NOT A COUNTRY OF BEGGARS .INDIA IS INDEBTED TO MANY NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL ORGANISATIONS AND COUNTRIES . THE VAIDIK PEOPLE EXPLOITED THE NAIONAL AND STATE BUDGETS BEING THE RULERS .THE VAIDIK PEOPLE BRAND OTHRS BEGGARS .ACTUALLY THEY ARE DACOITING THE INDIAN ECONOMY . THE INDIAN GOVT. AND STATE GOVERNMETS MUST ISSUE WHITE PAPERS SO THAT THE INDIAN CITIZENS MAY KNOW WHICH CASTE / VARNA HOW MUCH HAS BEEN BENEFITED FROM THE STATE BY LOANS , SUBSIDIES AND WAIVING LOANS
MR. HINDU MINDED ! WE INDIAN ABORIGINALS ARE NOT BEGGARS .WE ARE NOT DOGS TO WHOM YOU INDO-ARYANS WILL THROW ALMS ON US . WE WILL DEMAND OUR COUNTRY AND WE CAN EVEN SNATCH OUR COUNTRY FROM THE INDO-ARYANS . DON`T PROVOCATE US .WE ARE FIFGTING NON-VIOLENT, CONSTITUTIONAL AND DEMOCRATIC WAR !!!!!
( 2 ) If DALITS want to excel and really prove a point to people who oppressed them they should come out of this begging attitude. Infosys would not have been there if they were beggars. They were hard workers.
MY ANSWER IS : – MANY INDO-ARYAN EDUCATIONAL / COMMERCIAL / MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS ARE RUNNING ON HEAVY SUBSEDISED AND EVEN FREE LIKE LANDS !!!!! MANY OF THEM DO NOT FULFIL THE STATURY UNDERTAKINGS OF ALLOWING SOME PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS TO STUDY AND PATIENTS TO BE TREATD FREE OR CONCESSETIONAL FEES . NO ONE IS EVER HARD WORKER THAN THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS . YOU WORK IN THE AC OFFICES AND LIVE IN THE ROOMS .
LET US WORK HARD IN THE MONTH OF MAY-JUNE IN THE FIELDS TO PLANT THE RICE PLANTS IN THE 45 DEGREE TEMPERATURE ..THE VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE PARASITE ON INDIAN ECONOMY !!!!! IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
( 3 ) .Everybody who believes in reservation more than their capabilities should be thrown into dustbin. When a guy without legs can believe in himself, what is wrong with you.
MY ANSWER IS :- WHAT ARE YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE`S CAPABILITIES ? THE MOST OF THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DO NOT RECOGNISE YOUR MBBS DEGREES BECAUSE YOUR STANDARD IS BELOW OF THEIR STANDARD .HOW MANY INVENTIONS AND DISCOVERIES HAD DONE YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ? THE VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN THE DUSTBINS OF MERITORIOUS FOREIGNERS !!!!! IF YOU ARE MERITORIOUS THEN WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF US .
WE WILL SANCTION YOU THE SAME RESERVATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE .YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LEGAL BEGGARS .
( 4 ) POLITICIANS LIKE OMVELDT WANT DALITS TO BE BEGGARS SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A CUT FROM THE BEGGARY COLLECTION. THEY HAVE CONSPIRED WITH UPPER CLASS TO COMPLETELY MAKE DALITS WEAK FROM WITHIIN AND ARE KILLING THEIR SELF RESPECT.
MY ANSWER IS :- MADAM GAIL OMVELDT GREAT SOCIAL SCIENTIST IS TRUE HUMANITARIAN . THE HINDUS USED TO BURN THE WIVES WITH THEIR DEAD HUSBANDS . SUCH IS THE DEAD THINKING OF THE HINDUS STILL .WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SELF RESPECT WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE .WE ARE STRONGER ENOUGH EVEN TO RULE THE INDIA !!!!!
Can a beggar have self respect? Isnt he declaring himself inferior by begging.
( 5 ) No sympathy for lazy beggars.MAY EVERYBODY BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES RATHER THAN RESERVATIONS.
MY ANSWER IS : -NO SYMPATHY FOR THE UNETHICAL WORSHIPERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!! MAY EVERY BODY BELIEVE IN ETHICS THAN BELIEVING IN EVIL GODS AND CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM DUE TO WHICH RESERVATION POLICY CAME INTO EXISTENCE !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am
If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU FINALLY ADMITTED ,” OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST ” !!!!!
THEN BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ( WHO WERE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS PER SCRIPTURES OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS ) ARE NOT THE GODS OF MODERN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS !!!!! NOW M/S. HAPPY HINDUS WILL DISCOVER OR INVENT THEIR NEW GODS . I HOPE THEIR NEW INVENTED / DISCOVERED GODS WILL BE DEADLY AGAINST THE RAPE AND CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
shhhapinendupy said,
October 10, 2008 @ 2:58 am
MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Post was to Mesquiteice. But i am writing in between. Want to tell you that you are a liar. OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST . It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this: It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this:
C . L . CHUMBER said
PROPHET MOHAMMED MARRIED AYISHA ( AS YOU WROTE ALREADY ) BUT VISHANU RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA !!!!!
VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ALSO TRIED HIS BEST FIVE TIMES TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER BUT ADI-MAHABHAGWAN SHIV BEHEADED HIM TO SAVE HIS ( BRAHMA`S ) DAUGHTER TO BE RAPED BY A FATHER !!!!!
YOU PEOPLE BLAME THAT RAVAN ABDUCTED SITA .
LAKSHMAN RAPED HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA THAT IS WHY HE REVENGED BUT HE DID NOT RAPED WITH SITA !!!!!
VAIDIK HINDU GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED MATA GAYATARI WITH THE HELP OF INDIRA TO BE BRAHMA`S WIFE !!!!!
DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS ?
DO YOU FEEL THAT INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS WERE BAD ( RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ) PERSONS ? ? ? ? ?
I will post ” HOW VAIDIK GOD BRAHMA ABDUCTED GAYATARI TO BE HIS WIFE ” after your views on RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!.
Mesquiteice said,
October 16, 2008 @ 4:40 am
Chumber,
you answered one part of my post. Do you agree with the other part also about the prophet and ayisha and do you feel that the prophet muhammed was a bad person.
I will post my answer after your views on prophet.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! M/S HAPPY HINDUS ( LAVNYA AND MANY MORE NAMES ) TERMED MR. SANJAM`S VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AS ” SICK LANGUAGE ” !!!!!
lavanya said,
October 16, 2008 @ 4:05 am
Chumber,
Btw, did you parents and forefathers teach you to repeat Sanjam’s type of sick language?
Paul Krist said
” .. Convert yourselves to Buddhism. Of course true buddhism of Babasaheb and not the brahminical Buddhism which teaches meditation. We have many members from dalit families who go to all these temples like Tirupathi, Dharmasthala and Vaishnavo Devi. These people are killing babasaheb and his work. They will remain slaves always. …”
==>> So you want these people to just go on doing only those mundane things like talking, shouting, arguing all the time defensively and never accepting what is more convincing in the other fellow’s statements, and so on, and thus waste one whole birth. What kind of service will that be if is going to leave these people waiting to be uplifted through self-discipline which can be developed only themselves. Meditation is not unique to any one religion, it is there in ALL religions of the world : instead of worrying all the time, charge your mind with spiritual power by communig with the Supreme, for a while, and use that calm and refreshed mind to mind your life’s activities on a righteous path.
C . L . CHUMBER said
– – IF WE PIT OUR SELVES AGAINST MR. CHUMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEBATE – MR. PAUL KRIST .
( PLEASE DO NOT ERASE ! )
Dear Viewers ,
Mr .Paul Krist said ( October 21, 2008 @ 5:52 am ) ,” Mr Chumber, I am interested in knowing the views of those who hold different or opposite views. I hope you agree that this approach to knowledge is rational. I am therefore awaiting your studied views visavis what I have said, with particular keenness. I don’t mean you should hurry up overly, however. Thank you.”
MY ANSWER IS : – I fully agree with Mr. Paul Krist that the purpose of this e-dialogue should be to know the vary views of different persons of different castes , religions and areas of our universe ! But M/S Happy Hindus turned this e-dialogue into the “abusive vaidik dialogue” .Please come on .
( 2 ) Mr.Paul Krist said ( October 23, 2008 @ 6:48 pm ) , ” In my opinion it will be futile to expect any stimulation for thinking meaningfully on any topic, if we pit ourselves against Mr Chumber on the other side of the debate. I TAKE LEAVE OF ALL OF YOU, FRIENDS
MY ANSWER IS : – MR. PAUL KRIST ! PLEASE DON`T LOOSE HEART. BE BRAVE AND PARTICIPATE IN E-DIALOGUE TO CHURN OUT BUTTER AND REFINED BUTTER ( GHEE ) !!!!! LOOK AT ME HOW I AM FIGHTING WITH TOOTH AND NAIL AGAINST THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS AND THEIR” ABUSIVE VAIDIK FOLLOWERS” . SATYA MEV JAYATE !!!!!
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber,
I challenge you to write a whole paragraph without the words “RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS AND THEIR” ABUSIVE VAIDIK FOLLOWERS” in it.
This is a test to prove that you are not insane and are not obsessed with rape and race. Of course, this paragraph needs to make sense logical (and grammatically too, so NO CAPS) sense.
Of course, what you say should also have proof and a scientific backing. No bullshit from religious text please.
haphinpydu said
HURRAH ! M/S HAPPY HINDUS ( LAVNYA AND MANY MORE NAMES ) TERMED MR. SANJAM`S VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE AS ” SICK LANGUAGE ” !!!!!
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Mr.Idiot (I have made sure that I will not be penalized since it is legal to call you an Idiot based on your writings here – So am back to calling you an Idiot until you provide your address),
There is no difference between you and Sanjam. He is only reflecting your personality and your language.
Idiots like you have no shame ofcourse, so how to ask you to feel ashamed that you cannot live up to your own lies.
So, without shouting so much like a wailing baby, why don’t you just come on and give your address.
Finally, now it is clear and understood that Chumber is a mullah agent. Ha, so much for your pretences Chumber, tch tch.
mesquiteice said
HH,
Mr. Chumber as published in Linked Ln that Mr. Chumber currently hold this position:
News Editor, punjab aaj tak pbi.daily evening.
I also understand that Punjab Today is called Punjab Aaj tak.
You may therefore contact “Punjab Today” office.
Please note that this is information that i found on the web and have no idea as to its authenticity. Please check up before you can contact .
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
lavanyamur said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
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You are mad and filled with just idiocy Chumber. You do not know to differentiate between simple statements. Hindu gods have not raped and your “true god” has not “won”.
Please see a psychiatrist immediately.
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. DILIP MURLIDARAN ! IS MESQUITEEICE IS CHEAP PERSON WHO PASTED MY
PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THIS BLOG ? ARETHE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFYRERS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTA AND FASCISTS INDO ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS NOT CHEAPEST EVER IN THE WORLD ? ? ? ? ?
Dilip Muralidaran said,November 12, 2008 @ 10:02 am
Chumber,
Oh btw, you visited my website to copy and paste that info, which means you are cheap by your own words. :)https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/o-dalits-wake-up/
Mesquiteice said,November 6, 2008 @ 7:15 am
HH,Mr. Chumber as published in Linked Ln that Mr. Chumber currently hold this position:News Editor, punjab aaj tak pbi.daily evening.I also understand that Punjab Today is called Punjab Aaj tak.You may therefore contact “Punjab Today” office.Please note that this is information that i found on the web and have no idea as to its authenticity. Please check up before you can contact .
C.L .CHUMBER said
DOG AND ELEPHANT ARE THE MOST FAITHFUL ANIMAL IN THE WORLD !!!!!
I AM PROUD TO BE CALLED ME AS A BARKING DOG !!!!!
DOG ALWAYS BARKS AT SUSPICIOUS PERSONS !!!!!
I AM BARKING AT THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS !!!!!
IS MY BARKING UNETHICAL , ILLOGICAL OR ILLEGAL ? ? ? ? ?
YOU WROTE ,” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM except CHUMBER .”
I AM BARKING BUT YOU ARE NOT ACCOMPANYING ME .
YOU CALL ME EVERY TIME MAD .I THINK YOUR GOOD SELF IS YET TO BE AN
IDEAL MAN !!!!!
lavanyamur said,
November 12, 2008 @ 9:29 am
You are MAD and filled with just idiocy Chumber.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I ASSURE YOU EVERY ONE THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!
LOVE BEGETS LOVE !!!!!
PLEASE DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO JUSTIFY HAT YOUR GOOD SELF HAVE A PIOUS SOUL IN A PIUOS BODY !!!!!
BETTER ALONE THAN A BAD COMPANY ! DISCARD THE COMPANY OF BAD PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP ,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE EVIL GODS !!!!!
A LOVE IS NOT A REAL LOVE WHICH DO NOT CREATE A LOVELY SOCIETY BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE .
I LOVE MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN . I PLEDGED MY LOVELY HOME TO A BANK FOR MY CHILDREN`S HIGHER STUDY . NOW MY THREE CHILDREN ARE MANAGERS IN MNCs .THEY ARE SUPPORTING THE FOURTH ONE FOR HIGHER STUDY .
I LOVE THE HUMANITY . IN THE LAST THREE YEARS , WE PRODUCED 12 STUDENTS SUCCEEDED TO GET ADMISSION IN THE JAWAHAR NAVODYA VIDYALYA SCHOOL .THESE STUDENTS BELONG TO BRAHMAN , OBCs AND SCs.
FROM 6TH TO +2 CLASSES THEIRS BOARDING AND LODGING WILL BE FREE .
TO-DAY, SOME BRAHMAN INTELLETUALS CAME TO MEET AND APPRECIATE ME FOR MY DARING , RATIONAL AND MIND BLOWING DEBATE ON RAPISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM .THEY SAID ,” YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB .WE ARE READY TO PRODUCE MORE EVIDENCES IN THE LEGAL COURTS OR PEOPLE`S COURT .” I THANKED THEM AND ASSURED THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
November 13, 2008 @ 4:50 am
Chumber,
expressions of the soul can never be curtailed limited.
Examples:
Just like a true lover loves his loved one, wheter or not they like it
Just like a true mother who loves her child, wheter or not it likes her.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin
Dilip Muralidaran said
Chumber,
I asked a direct question. You accused me of being cheap and the people visiting my blog as cheap. Technically Copy + Pasting info from my blogger profile needs to visit my blog, which you did there by proving you are cheap.
Where do Mesquitece or God come into something that is happening between you and me? Are you retarded chumber? Answer the question i posed. Don’t beat around the damn bush and evade the question. Anyone born out of a good family would directly answer an accusation. I answered your accusation of me being cheap, its your turn now. What is your response to you calling by blog visitors as cheap, when you yourself visited my blog to copy + paste my profile information here. Do you accept that it makes you cheap?
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND DR.Dr M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K TO HIM WHETHER HE HAD WRITTEN ACTUALLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Dont bring me between your answer to Dilip Muralidharan.
As far as why I posted your details, I will explain:-
The site from which I got your details from did not have any disclaimer. Nor did it say that this was personal. I did not PASTE any information.
I only informed that I came across a site that seemed to be of a person called CL Chumber. I dont even know if it is you.
Please confirm if these information are personal/private and not public. If this is private information why are you publishing this on the net.
In any event if you feel that you have been put to inconvenience because of my writing that piece of information here, please let me know the reason for which I AM SORRY!
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE SAME ANSWER IS TO DILIP MURLIDHARAN FROM MY SIDE !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
November 14, 2008 @ 11:19 am
Chumber,
As far as why I posted your details, I will explain:-
The site from which I got your details from did not have any disclaimer. Nor did it say that this was personal. I did not PASTE any information.
I only informed that I came across a site that seemed to be of a person called CL Chumber. I dont even know if it is you.
Please confirm if these information are personal/private and not public. If this is private information why are you publishing this on the net.
In any event if you feel that you have been put to inconvenience because of my writing that piece of information here, please let me know the reason for which I AM SORRY!
C.L .CHUMBER said
C. L . CHUMBER said,
May 15, 2008 @ 6:38 pm
AN ASS`S BETTER THAN BRAHMIN , A DOG IS BETTER THAN ALIEN GOD ;
AWAKENING A SLEEPING TOWN , MUCH BETTER PROVES A CROWING COCK.
ADI-GURU KABIR (pg 47 ).https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravid
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
please use YOUR sense. not others senses to answer your questions.
However, if you feel that you need help please request me.
C.L .CHUMBER said
THE SENSELESS PERSONS WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS !!!!!
THE SENSELESS PERSONS ARE IN THE BAD COMPANY OF THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
THESE SENSELESS AND HELPLESS PERSONS CAN NOT HELP OTHERS !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. MESQUITEICE IS NOW MOHAMMAD MESQUITEICE !!!!!
I HAVE ASKED TO ” DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!! ”
I NEVER PREACHED HATERED AGAINST GOD AND ALLAH !!!!!
I AM AGAINST THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
WHEN WERE YOU CONVERTED TO ISLAM ? ? ? ? ?
YOUR GOOD SELF WROTE DEROGATORY REMARKS AGAINST HAZRAT MOHAMMAD IN THIS BLOG ! ! ! ! !
WHAT IS YOUR STAND NOW ? ? ? ? ?
Mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am
Chumber,
You said “DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO BE AN IDEAL INDIAN AND HUMAN BEING !!!!!”
I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being.
why are you preaching hatered against Allah.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/narendra-modi-and-the-fall-of-hindut
mesquiteice said
Senseless people also pass off others views as their replies !!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
M / S HAPPY HINDUS ! ONE DAY WILL COME , WHEN MY COUNTRY MEN/ WOMEN WILL THROW THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS(?) IN THE GUTTER TO REBUILD INDIAN SOCIETY !!!!!
Lavanyamuralidha said,
November 27, 2008 @ 10:38 am
HURRAH ! MR. MESQUITEICE IS NOW MOHAMMAD MESQUITEICE !!!!!
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Chumber,
You are saying HURRAH to someone who called himself a muslim. It is very clear that you are a muslim or a muslim-sympathizer (or muslim fund receiver ?).
MY ANSWER IS ;- Mr.Mesquiteice @ Mr. Mohammad Mesquiteice did not replied ! Why ? Why are you replying his personal answer ? Please do not blame baseless .Come to discussion .Mr. Mesquiteice @ Mr.Mohammad Mesquiteice is of flickering mind .At a time he claimed to be a Muslim as well as wrote against Hazrat Mohammad .Dr.M.R. Satish Rao , a manuwadi unethical doctor should issue medical report reg. him .
(2)It is because of selfish dastardly politicians like you that dalits are fed with hatred against hinduism.
MY ANSWER IS :- I am not a selfish dastardly politician.M/s Happy Hindus do worship the rapist , racist and fascist Gods( ?) as well as claimed ” every one is against rapeism,racism and fascism except Chumber.” I am doing my legal as well as ethical duty with do or die spirit . ONE DAY WILL COME , WHEN MY COUNTRY MEN/ WOMEN WILL THROW THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS(?) IN THE GUTTER TO REBUILD INDIAN SOCIETY !!!!!
(3) Ingrate traitors like you who call freedom fighters as communal and divide the country in the name of religion and cause rift in a secular society are the first ones the government should investigate for anti-indian-government stand.
MY ANSWER IS ;- Our constitution give us the fundamental right to express our views .I expressed our views that the so called upper caste fought against the Britishers to capture the political power to crush the Indian aboriginals .What is wrong in it ? Do you know the definition of treachery ? I am the democratic person ! If I stop fight against the rapists , racists and fascists then you will be happy . I need not your manuwadi certificates !
( 4 )Fools and mad men like you never understand that religion is merely a tool used for divisive purposes by anti-indians.
MY ANSWER IS :- The Hinduism having rapists , racists and fascists Gods (?) and caste/varna system is not an ethical religion ! The Hinduism divided Aboriginal Indians in more than six thousand castes ! ” Fools and mad men like you never understand that ( Hindu)religion is merely a tool used for divisive purposes by anti-indians ( Indo-aryans).”
(5) You do not even have any respect for women. You are not a human at all. Shame on you Chumber.
MY ANSWER IS :- I AM FIGHTING AGAINST THE RAPISTS VISHANU , INDER AND BRAHMA AND YOU M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THEM .” You do not even have any respect for women. You are not a human at all. Shame on you M/S HAPPY HINDUS.”
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM including CHUMBER
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?
C.L .CHUMBER said
lavanyamuralidharan said,” HOW WILL CHUMBER FEEL IF WE CALL WALMIKI AS RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST ? ”
TO WHOM ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI RAPED ?
HE GAVE SHELTER TO SITA AND HER CHILDREN !
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING CASTEIST ?
WHICH WAS HIS ACTION OR WRITING FASCIST ?
YOU PEOPLE ALSO WROTE ,” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” BUT YOU PEOPLE DID NOT GAVE PROVES EVEN AFTER TWO MONTHS !
THE HINDU GODS WHO ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED BY YOU PEOPLE .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 7, 2008 @ 7:20 am
Chumber is the biggest abuser of all. How will Chumber feel if we call Valmiki as rapist, racist and fascist ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. LAVANYAMURALIDHARAN SAID ON DEC. 7 ,” Chumber is the biggest abuser of all.”
ON DEC. 9 , HE ADVISED MR. SANJAM ,” I request you not to abuse Chumber like this.”
MR.SANJAM AND MR. LAVNYAMURLIDHARAN @ HAPPY HINDU ARE PERFECT ABUSERS AND PLAYING A PASSING GAME .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 7, 2008 @ 7:20 am
Chumber is the biggest abuser of all. How will Chumber feel if we call Valmiki as rapist, racist and fascist ?
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 9, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Sanjam,
I request you not to abuse Chumber like this.
We do not want this conversation to become abusive trash.
It is good that Chumber is expressing himself.
C.L. CHUMBER said
MAHATMA Das Mohammed Karim Chandra Gandhi – CONGRESS PITAA & RASHTRA KAPUUT !!!
Submitted by sarvasankalpasa… on Wed, 12/24/2008 – 11:39.
* Ramakant Tiwari
“Satyam Vada, Priyam Vada” is a wonderful element of the Bharatiya ethos and culture. Over the years, it has been misused and exploited by all the anti-Hindu forces so much so that we have been even preached over this same very ideal whenever Hindus called spade a spade. It has taken so much of Hindu bloodshed before an illustrious Indian Shri Arun Shourie could demand jaw for a tooth, both eyes for an eye… It is now the opportune moment of our history that we shed this ideal-turned-inhibition for better times and call spade a spade with full emphasis at our command.
One of the cruel jokes this nation had been enduring with is that a thin, diminutive, semi-naked, shrewd old man, surviving on goat-milk and Khichri without Papad, is the liberator of this country from the shackles of the exploitative/parasitic British empire. This man’s dedication to the cause of Kamal Ataturk/Ali Brothers with the ostensible purpose of winning over muslim support bordered on utter lunacy. This anti-national old man went on wooing the muslims supine while those beasts went on wooing something else !! His brazen advice to the hapless Hindus to repent and be penitent after the Moplah riots was sheer anti-Hinduism. For this reason alone, this man deserved to be roasted alive alongwith those muslim beasts.
Then this traitor went on to be the sole cause of the partition of this country, followed by the fierce riots. And he professed to be a devotee of Shri Ram !!! Had this venomous fellow been there at that time, he would have tried his best to pressurise Shri Ram through those dirty fasts, to partition Ayodhya and handover a portion of it to Lanka instead of slaying Ravana !!! This pro-muslim secular beast often pontificated over the wisdom of the Gita, proclaimed it as his personal guide-book yet NEVER referred to Sri Krsna’s teaching of lifting arms for slaying the sinners in Kauravas in the battlefield. He only revelled in how to renounce, how to encourage others to suffer. So much of his understanding of the greatest human manual, that is the Gita !!!
This filthy fellow selected Jawaharlal Nehru to take over as the first PM of the country, overlooking the administrative talent and nationalistic zeal of Sardar Patel. Why was this man so much enamoured of Nehru ? Because Jawaharlal Nehru made the first live-in couple with Edwina Mountbatten in dominated/free India which now the Congress Govt. in Maharashtra are poised to legalise ? Or something else ? Why did this malevolent old man raise so many bogies in favour of Nehru ? Why did he scuttle patriotic Netaji Bose at every crucial turning point of Indian freedom movement/history ?
Sitting in temples, this Rashtra-Kapuut used to preach Unholy Koran, turned a blind eye to the atrocities of Nizam rule on Hindus in the state of Hyderabed, fooled around Noakhali alongwith police guards without entering into the place, used to sleep with girls to assess his potency/impotency/limits of his so-called Brahmacharya (I do not understand what)…Was he in any way better than Jinna/Liakat Ali or any other muslim-despot for that matter ??
He prostituted to give birth to an illegitimate child called CONGRESS. This child grew up into a monster, one of the most effective anti-national groups and the single largest impediment on the road to glory for this great nation. The monster yet to be neutralised, appointed this anti-Hindu devil as Rashtra-Pitaa and annointed him as Mahatma. Well, this ancient nation do not need a Pitaa. Indeed, forces of freedom movement were unleashed by yet another thin, undernourished, poor fellow known as SWAMI RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHAMSA. All others, including Swami Vivekananda were his children for the movement. He had incarnated for that cause alone. The mass awakening this great soul had brought about in the country, is simply unparalled in modern world history.
Mercifully, this anti-Hindu devil was slain by a great patriot and a blessed soul, Shri Nathuram Godse before he could do more havoc with the country. Most of the politicians today need Nathuram Godse-s individually, is yet another serious matter of contemplation.
IF ANYBODY DESERVES TO BE FATHER OF THIS NATION, IT IS SWAMI RAMAKRISHNA PARAMHAMSA ALONE AND NO ONE ELSE.
O My Dear Innocent & Simple Hindu Brothers and Sisters !! stand up, open your closed eyes, call spade a spade and gear up to change history of your country as well as your own destiny, for your destiny is in your hands alone and you alone are the masters of your destiny.
VANDE MATARAM
Ramakant Tiwari
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/sarvasankalpasannyasi/mahatma-das-mohammed-karim-chandra-gandhi-congress-pitaa-rashtra-kapuut
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com must blacklist the abusers otherwise I will conclude that the administrators are also part and parcel of this defaming and blaming game .
C.L.CHUMBER said
FIRST OF ALL ,YOU PLEASE READ ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR`S SHABADS AND SHALOKAS IN THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB , THEN COMMENT .
HAD YOU READ THE PADAM PURANA ?
IF YOU PURCHASED , WHAT IS THE NAME OF TRANSLATOR,EDITOR ,PUBLISHER ,ADDRESS OF THE PUBLISHERS .
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY ABUSING AND BLAMING TO DERAIL THE REAL ISSUES .
I HAVE NOT MET EVEN A SINGLE PERSON WHO IS SO ABUSIVE AND ABSENT MIND.WHO FIRST ABUSES AND THEN FEEL SORRY IN WRITING MORE THAN FIVE TIMES !
YOU ARE APPRECIATING MR. SANJAM WHO ONCE WROTE THAT LAXMAN WILL RAPE MY MOTHER AND SISTERS .IF I REPEAT THE SAME FOR YOUR MOTHER AND SISTERS (WHOM I HAVE FULL REGARDS ) , THEN HOW WILL FEEL YOU AND YOUR MOTHER AND SISTERS ( EVEN YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTERS ).
I AGAIN REQUEST YOU TO BE GENTLE AND DO NOT ABUSE .
I RETURN AGAIN ALL YOUR ABUSES WITH MR. SANJAM`S ABUSES ( TO WHOM YOU APPRECIATED ! ) SO THAT YOUR GOOD SELF MAY OFFER THESE TO YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOUR REVERED GODS .
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ YOUR WRITINGS IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
Your good self apologized about 5 times for your worst abusing habit .
Is it not true ?
In a few days you will again apologize for your good self`s abusive and blaming Vaidik language !
happyh said
January 13, 2009 @ 11:38 am
Chumber,
Just give me the details of the case you have filed. Do not think you can get away after telling so many lies, throwing your weight around, expecting apologies from others but behaving like a depraved evil incarnate yourself. You have to apologize for all the lies you have spread about hindu gods and hinduism.
happyhind said
Dalitnation,
What’s your problem? Why are you deleting select posts? You feeling scared or something?
You guys are not “begging”. You seek money in the name of helping others but you are spending it for yourselves.
Have you given money even once for anyone’s education, have you even once helped some one with teaching vocational skills, a sewing machine or rehabilitating anyone with some or better source of income.
What you guys are doing is called “FRAUD”.
hh said
Chumber,
Stop doing copy-paste in every page.
Stop expecting apologies.
No one cares about you and your politician image but yourself.
It is good you filed a case – that is what was needed – there is no prob in proving you as mad.
So, just provide details of the case. Provide the verses from hindu scriptures that endorse rape. Or, apologize to all hindus. Accept that you have lied.
C.L.CHUMBER said
YOU WILL KNOW THE POLICEMEN WHEN THEY REGISTER FIR AGAINST THE PERSON WHO CHALLENGE THE SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT ON CALLING IDIOT OTHERS !!!!!
happyhind said
YOU WILL KNOW THE POLICEMEN WHEN THEY REGISTER FIR AGAINST THE PERSON WHO CHALLENGE THE SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT ON CALLING IDIOT OTHERS !!!!!
——————–
Ok. Then why are you afraid to provide details of the case you have filed?
Stop threatening like a 5-year old boy.
You can prove whatever you want in court.
All I want from you is the details of the case you have filed.
Or provide proof of your identity. Write your full name, PAN number, Voter’s ID number and residential address.
Or accept that you have lied…
A.J.A.Y said
DALITS ARE PEOPLE. I am an British-Born Indian, and it’s embarassing to see this behavious happening in my “country”. You huys are making us ashamed by not opening your backward minds. These are PEOPLE. THEY ARE NOT ANIMALS WHOM YOU THROW OUT OF YOUR VILLAGE OR COMMUNITY! THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOU DO. CUT THE CRAP! GIVE DALITS THEIR RIGHTS!
C . L . CHUMBER said
NO ONE GIVES RIGHTS TO ANYONE ! THE RIGHT PEOPLE ALWAYS SNATCH AND MAINTAIN THEIRS RIGHTS !!!!!
Dear A.J.A.Y. ji ,
The Dalits are not people / human-beings . Theirs forefathers created an atmosphere where they got fundamental rights but they do not dare to enjoy . A press reporter thrown a shoe towards Mr.Bush to show the hate of his country fellows . And the dalits are enjyoing this dirty system ! The brahmins killed Mr. M.K. Gandhi .But dalits did nothing to change theirs plight .They even do not cast their votes properly .
The constitution permitted equal rights to each citizen of India . Now it is the duty of the law making and law enforcing agencies as well as
the dalits to fight against the anti-constitutional forces ! NO ONE GIVE
RIGHTS TO ANYONE ! THE RIGHT PEOPLE ALWAYS SNATCH AND MAINTAIN
THEIRS RIGHTS !!!!!
A.J.A.Y said
February 11, 2009 @ 8:05 pm
DALITS ARE PEOPLE. I am an British-Born Indian, and it’s embarassing to see this behavious happening in my “country”. You huys are making us ashamed by not opening your backward minds. These are PEOPLE. THEY ARE NOT ANIMALS WHOM YOU THROW OUT OF YOUR VILLAGE OR COMMUNITY! THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS YOU DO. CUT THE CRAP! GIVE DALITS THEIR RIGHTS!
C . L . CHUMBER said
M/S GODSES KILLED MR. M.K. GANDHI , A THIRD CLASS BANIA IN MANUWADI SYSTEM TO ESTABLISH THE MANUWADI SYSTEM UNDER A BRAHMIN MR.J.L.NEHARU WHO ARRANGED TO GOT ELECTED MORE THAN 50 PERCENT BRAHMIN MPs !!!!!
The Talibans have captured some area of the Pakistan and Pakistan is fighting for survival – Mr.Zardari , Prsident of Pakistan .
OUR COMMENTS ( c.l.chumber ) : Mr. Nathu Ram Godse wrote his will ,” The river Indus ( Sindhu ) , on the banks of which our pre-historic Rishis composed the Vedas is the Boundry of our Bharatvarsha i.e. Hindustan .My ashes may be sunk in the Holy Sindu river when she will again flow freely under the aigis of the flag of Hindustan.That will be the sacred day for us .It hardly matters EVEN IF IT TOOK A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS FOR REALISING MY WISH . PERSERVE THE ASHES TILL THEN , AND IF THAT DAY WOULD NOT DAWN IN YOUR LIFE TIME , PASS ON THE REMAINS TO POSTERITY FOR TRANSLATING MY DESIRE INTO REALITY ! ” .Mr. Godse signed this statement on 14th Nov.,1949 and was executed on 15th Nov.,1949 for murdering Mr. M.K. Gandhi .( ref. May it Please Your Honour by Nathu Ram Godse , Surya Bharati Parkashan, Nai sarak , New Delhi , Ph.3266412 ).
M/s. Godses killed Mr. Gandhi a Bania third class in manuwadi system to establish the Manuwadi system under a Brahmin Mr.J.L.Neharu who arranged to got elected more than 50 percent Brahmin MPs .Now , we come to Mr. Barrack Hussain Obama cabinet where Manuwadis succeeded but how many representaion to Indian Sikhs , SCs/OBCs , Muslims ! And they ( Manuwadis) manipulated US government to stop aids to Pakistan to weaken economically to fulfil the will of Mr. Nathu Ram Godse !!!!!
We admit that Pakistan is a mismanaged state but India is also where the aboriginal Indians are still slaves and live in hell !!!!! Is it not true ? ? ? ? ?.
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/
C.L.CHUMBER said
A person who does not believe in inter-state and inter-caste marriages is a true manuwadi. The Manuwad can not be annihilated merely by talking against it. – C. L. Chumber
C . L . CHUMBER said
OBC quotas have not diluted standards :
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/default.aspx?ed=722
C . L . CHUMBER said
Mr. Chumber is a very interesting and all round knowlegable genious .
He never loose temper and his reasoning and daring spirit is appreciable .Being a Brahmin , I enjoy the both sides but I am convinced with the reasonings and references of Mr. Chumber .
I condemn those persons to whom Mr. Chumber declare ‘ Vaidik abusive manuwadi Hindus ‘ . These poor fellows are blot on the Indian society who do not argue exept abusing .
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
June 9, 2009 @ 6:49 am
Dear Chumber ji ,
First of all , I congratulate you on your research tour of Maharashtra , Karnatka and Andhra Pardesh states .I am impressed that you are very secular in your views.You did good analysis of a Brahmin by birth Nath Panthi Sant Janeshwar Gayaneshwar / Gayandev of Kalindi under tytle ‘ WE ARE PROUD OF THEM WHO SACRIFICED EVEN THEIR LIVES FOR US !!!!! ‘
I send you also congratulations on your daughter getting MBA degree of Wales University , U.K. It is good that you even pledged your home for your children`s higher study loans .We Indian especially Dalits must follow Mr. Chumber .Please convey my congratulations to your wife and children on this rare success .
I am your fan and feel sorry for the abuses of Mr. Happy Hindu and his friends .I warn Mr.Happy Hindu and his friends to hold their tongues and mind s , otherwise I have to file complaints against them to the police to teach them good lessons .
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Happy Hindu ! you are really a mad man who call every one mad in each post . Can you not write with manners ? Learn from Mr. Chumber and some other persons who never use abusive language .The society does not like the abuses and abusive persons .The IPC has imprisonment tenures for misbehaving and threatening .
Please be gentle as everyone loves and regards the gentle person .That is why I regard Mr. Chumber and dislike even hate your abuses . Please do not mind .
hh said
June 9, 2009 @ 10:00 am
Oh really?
C . L . CHUMBER said
Caste is a state of mind. It is a disease of mind. – Babasaheb. Ambedkar
“Caste cannot be abolished by inter caste dinners or stray instances of inter caste marriages. Caste is a state of mind. It is a disease of mind. The teachings of the Hindu religion are the root cause of this disease. We practice casteism and we observe Untouchability because we are enjoined to do so by the Hindu religion. A bitter thing cannot be made sweet. The taste of anything can be changed. But poison cannot be changed into nectar.” – Dr. Babasaheb B. R. Ambedkar
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
BEWARE OF THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS SPONSORED BY THE BRAHMIN PRIEST CLASS !!!!!
THEN YOU FOLLOW YOUR RAPIST BRAHMA AND TRY TO RAPE YOUR DAUGHTER AS BRAHMA DID !!!!! THEN ONLY YOU WILL BE A TRUE FOLLOWER OF YOUR GODS !!!!!
IF YOU WANT TO WORSHIP VISHANU LIKE RAPIST WHO RAPED ADI-MATA VARINDA , YOU HAVE TO RAPE THE WIVES OF YOUR ENEMIES !!!!!
PLEASE REMEMBER IF YOU FOLLOW BRAHMA AND VISHANU PRACTICALLY , THE POLICE WILL ARREST YOU TO PUT BEHIND THE BARS UNDER THE LAWS OF THE LAND !!!!!
BEWARE OF THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS SPONSORED BY THE BRAHMIN PRIEST CLASS !!!!!
hh said
June 5, 2009 @ 2:25 am
You cannot stop me from worshipping my gods or needing a brahmin
hh said
Lol. Chumber, you really do not want to understand, do you?
Ofcourse you do not want to understand, because if you understand, then you cannot write rubbish in ambedkar times, cannot make politics out of caste and cannot stand for elections.
Brahmins have not sponsored gods. Brahma and Vishnu did not commit any rape.
The job of a brahmin is to focus his whole life in worshipping the gods, and conduct prayers for everyone’s welfare. He cannot sponsor something he did not create.
Various people made up stories in the puranic period. According to the puranas, pigs can talk. Please show me a pig that can talk.
Some people took things one step ahead, they tried to establish local temples from fantasy stories. They only serve to show that in the end truth always triumphs and anyone who falls for their temptations face its consequences.
You alleged things from the Padma purana. Now you show me the page number of the padma purana book where is rape mentioned in it.
Brahma had 4 heads, facing diff directions, and more than 2 arms, how cud he rape?
C . L . CHUMBER said
But I am of the opinion that the lotus is found in the filthy land .You are lotus . I love the lotus as well as the filthy land which produces flower like lotus !!!!!
Dear Ram Karishan Sharma ji ,
The Punjab state was partitioned into the Pakistan and India coutries .My father-in-law who retired as a district officer in revenue department of Punjab in 1988 AD and is now setteled in USA tells me how the Muslims and non-Muslims killed each other in masses . I am writing his autobiography to pen down the socio-religious conditions of the different societies of that time At the same time , the Muslims and non-Muslims saved each others at the cost of their lives .In the Delhi riots and the Gujarat riots , the non-Sikhs and non-Muslims saved the Sikhs and Muslims respectively .
I wote this to thank you .It is good that you are advising us how to e-dialogue without abuses .I am sorry to read that these fellows have no regards for you due to your impatial views .But I am of the opinion that the lotus is found in the filthy land .You are lotus . I love the lotus as well as the filthy land which produces flower like lotus !!!!!
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
June 11, 2009 @ 11:11 am
Mr. Happy Hindu !
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Please be gentle as everyone loves and regards the gentle person .That is why I regard Mr. Chumber and dislike even hate your abuses . Please do not mind .
C . L . CHUMBER said
IN NUTSHELL , THIS IS A VERY VERY TIDIOUS JOB .THE FULLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ,BANNING OF THE HINDUISM , GLOBALISATION , INTERCASTE MARRIAGES AND DEMOCRACY WILL ANNIHILATE THE CASTE FOR EVER .
DEAR VIEWERS ,
IT IS TRUE THAT CASTE CAN NOT BE CURED WITH INTERDINING AND INTERCASTE MARRIAGES UNLESS WE HAVE NOT RATIONAL , HUMANITARIAN AND DARING VIEWS TO ANNIHILATE CASTE IN OUR MINDS WITH ACTIONS !
WHEN I WAS 19 YEARS OLD AND POSTED AS THE TEHSIL WELFARE OFFICER AT AMRITSAR , MR. RAM KISHAN NAPHERE STENO ( OF MY CASTE ) CONVINCED ME TO MARRY WITH A CLERK LADY OF MEGH CASTE ( SC ) .HE PROPOSED HIS FATHER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THAT LADY BUT HER COMRADE FATHER REFUSED TO AGREE FOR INTERCASTE MARRIAGE .TO-DAY ,THE http://www.ambedkartimes.com PUBLISHED MY WRITING ‘ ADI-GURU KABIR , GURU OF THE ADI-DHARAMIS ‘ OF WHICH I REPRODUCED A PARAGRAPH : ” Advocate Hans Raj Bhagat, a Megh by caste was elected on the Adi Dharam Mandal ticket in the Punjab assembly election 1937 A.D. from the Sialkot seat (now in Pakistan ). He was so revolutionary in those days that he did intercaste marriage with a Chamar lady. His community boycotted him and he settled at Delhi . There is atleast one IPS officer in his family. Let us pledge to follow the path of Guru Kabir Ji and Baba Hans Raj Bhagat MLA and parliamentary secretary.”
BUT I PLEDGED TO DO INTERCASTE MARRIAGE .LUCKILY I WAS SUCCEEDED IN DOING INTERCASTE MARRIAGE WITH A TEACHER WITHIN SCs .THIS WAS AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE WITH THE HELP OF S. RAJA SINGH SUND AND HIS DAUGHTER MOHINDER KAURM.A. , B.ED . I LEFT JOB AT THAT TIME AND JOINED THE MARKETING AS THE FIELD OFFICER .I INVITED ONLY MR. RAM KISHAN NAPHERE FROM MY EX-DEPARTMENT IN MY MARRIAGE .
MY WIFE HAS A VERY VISIONARY AND DARING VIEWS REGARDING THE ANNIHILATION OF CASTE . SHE ALLOWED OUR CHILDREN TO FIND THE LIFE PARTNERS OF THIER CHOICE WITHOUT CONSIDERING THIER CASTE , RELIGION , REGION AND COLOUR .MY ELDER SON INTRODUCED US AN OBC WELL EDUCATED AND FLUENTLY ENGLISH SPEAKING GIRL .MY WIFE LIKED HER . I PRESENTED HER A BOOK ON MR. OBAMA IN HINDI SO THAT SHE MAY BE HUMANITARIAN , RATIONAL AND DARING IN HER VIEWS .WE MET AT THE INTER STATE TERMINAL BUS STAND , NEW DELHI JUST FOR FEW MINUTES .NOW I COME TO KNOW THAT HER PARENTS ARE ALSO READY .BEFORE THIS WE ALSO ENGAGED OUR DAUGHTER IN ANOTHER CASTE .WE WILL ENGAGE ATLEAST ONE CHILD OUT OF FOUR IN OUR CASTE !
THE INTER CASTE MARRIAGES AND INTERDINNING FEASTS ANNIHILATE THE UNTOUCHABILITY .IN PUNJAB , THE SIKHS STILL PRACTICE CASTE OUTSIDE THE GURDWARAS .EVEN THE UNTOUCHABLES BUILT THEIR OWN GURDWARAS IN PUNJAB ! WHERE EVER THE PUNJABIS WENT EVEN IN THE FORIEGN COUNTRIES , THEY BUILT THEIR SEPARATE GURDWARAS .IN THE FORMERLY PATIALA STATE WHEN THE UNTOUCHABLES BUILT THIER OWN GURU RAVIDAS GURDWARA IN VILLAGE SEHJARA NOW IN DISTRICT BARNALA ( PUNJAB ) , THE POLICE REGISTERED AN FIR AGAINST THEM AND ARRESTED THEM .
MR. G.W. BRIGGS WROTE A BOOK ‘ THE CHAMARS ‘ IN THE THIRD DECADE OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY AND PUBLISHED BY THE YOUNG MEN CHRISTIANS ASSICIATION .HE WROTE THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 15OO SUB CASTES ONLY IN THE CHAMAR CASTE WHICH WAS SECOND IN POPULATION IN 1931 AD CENSUS .THE BRAHMINS HAVE ALSO NUMERIOUS KINDS OF BRAHMINS AND THEY TREAT DEGRADED EACH OTHERS !!!!! ONCE I TRIED TO FIND A RELATION FOR MY FRIEND MR. RAGHUNATH KAUSHAL A BRAMIN`S DAUGHTER . LUCKILY I SUCEEDD . BUT THE BOTH SIDES CLAIMED THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER BRAHMIN AND IT RESULTED EVEN IN HOT TALKS . I MANAGED THE SITUATION AND ASKED MY BRAHMIN FRIEND TO LEAVE THE PLACE .THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY IS ALSO INFECTED WITH THIS SYSTEM OF GRADED AND DEGRADED !!!!!
IN NUTSHELL , THIS IS A VERY VERY TIDIOUS JOB .THE FULLY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION ,BANNING OF THE HINDUISM , GLOBALISATION , INTERCASTE MARRIAGES AND DEMOCRACY WILL ANNIHILATE THE CASTE FOR EVER .
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 12, 2009 @ 5:57 am
Caste cannot be abolished by inter caste dinners or stray instances of inter caste marriages. Caste is a state of mind. – Babasaheb Ambedkar .
DUKHI INDIA said
I read the views of Mr. Chumber ji and am impressed by his logic .His conclusion ( C . L . CHUMBER said June 12, 2009 @ 6:08 am ) was interesting when he said ,” PLEASE REMEMBER IF YOU FOLLOW BRAHMA AND VISHANU PRACTICALLY , THE POLICE WILL ARREST YOU TO PUT BEHIND THE BARS UNDER THE LAWS OF THE LAND !!!!! ” It is true .In Surat ( Gujarat ) three youngsters abducted a girl and and raped in the car yesterday .To-day , the police brought them to the civil hospital , Surat for medical after getting the police remand from the magistrate but the relatives of the raped girl beaten them so severely in the hospitalthat the police officer had to show his service revolver . This was shown on almost all TV channels .
I congratulate Mr. Chumber for his daring views .I also congralulate the blog who flash this issue . Thanks to all who participate in the dialogue .
C . L . CHUMBER said
BUT THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU IN EITHER WAY .THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCARD BOTH YOUR EVIL GODS AND EVIL SCRIPTURES ATLAST !!!!!
DEAR MR. HAPPY HINDU ,
EITHER YOU BURN THOSE HINDU SCRIPTURES WHO HAD RECORDED THE HINDU GODS AS THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS OR DISCARD THESE EVIL GODS ! YOU AND YOUR EVIL CO-FOLLOWERS OF THESE GODS WILL BE COMPELLED TO CHOOSE ONE WAY .
BY DISCARDING THESE EVIL GODS , YOU MAY CLAIM THAT YOUR HINDU SCRIPTURES WROTE TRUTH AND YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE THESE EVIL PERSONS
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BY DISCARDING YOUR HINDU SCRIPTURES , YOU CAN CLAIM THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT THE EVIL GODS .
BUT THE PEOPLE WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU IN EITHER WAY .THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCARD BOTH YOUR EVIL GODS AND EVIL SCRIPTURES ATLAST !!!!!
hh said
June 12, 2009 @ 9:08 am
Chumber,
For a start why don’t you start discussing hinduism without abusing gods as rapist, racist, fascist?
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ MR. LUNATIC JOKER`S LATEST JOKES AND ENJOY !!!!!
hh said
June 12, 2009 @ 9:18 am
Lol. Chumber, you really do not want to understand, do you?
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Brahmins have not sponsored gods. Brahma and Vishnu did not commit any rape.
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Brahma had 4 heads, facing diff directions, and more than 2 arms, how cud he rape?
hh said
Chumber, when lunatic ppl try to understand things, they find it all as a joke, because their lunatic brain cannot process the information. It is like trying to make a machine manufactured as a room-heater to function as an air-cooler…they don;t realize the design is different…
C . L . CHUMBER said
IN THE RELIGIONS , THE ETHICS ARE SUMREME !
C . L . CHUMBER said
IS INDIA RULED BY DEMOCRATS OR AUTOCRATS ?
( 62,700 REFERENCES ON GOOGLE ) !!!!!
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=IS+INDIA+RULED+BY+DEMOCRATS+OR+AUTOCRATS+%3F&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 25, 2009 @ 9:22 am
INDRA – A LUSTFUL HEAD OF THE HINDU GODS !!!!!
BY Dr. Abraham Kovoor
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/the-eleven-brahmins-and-eleven-million-fools/#comment-6633
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 16, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
WE INDIANS WANT JUSTICE FOR LATE PROF. SABHARWAL , HIS FAMILY AND ENTIRE HUMAN BEINGS >
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* WHO KILLED PROFESSOR SABHARWAL? BJPs MOMENT OF SHAME
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/not-white-tiger-but-the-black-panther-of-dalits-for-india/#comment-6956
C . L . CHUMBER said
“IT IS OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT OUR PARTY PROGRAMMES FROM DELHI ARE DELIVERED TO THE POOR PEOPLE . THE CONGRESS IS GOING TO ENSURE THAT . WE DON`T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE SEND HUGE SUMS OF MONEY AND IT IS WASTED .” – RAHUL GANDHI
PLEASE READ THE ANOTHER EXPLOSIVE AND FACTUAL NEWS EXPOSING MR. RAHUL GANDHI`S CLAIM ..PLEASE CLICK FOR DETAILS http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/UPA-failed-to-use-Rs-72500-crore-for-Dalits-Study-/articleshow/4740334.cms
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C . L . CHUMBER said . July 16, 2009 @ 3:18 pm .UPA FAILED TO USE RS.72,500 CRORES FOR DALITS : STUDY ( TIMES OF INDIA , DATED 5TH JULY , 2009 )https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/kancha-ilaiah-why-i-am-not-a-hindu/#comment-6993
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RAHUL GANDHI CALLS JOSHI`S COMMENTS ” UNFORTUNATE ”
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Mayawati that have landed her in jail as “unfortunate”.
“The language used was unfortunate, they were not right,” Gandhi told reporters during a short visit to his Lok Sabha constituency.
But he immediately added that he agreed with the “sentiments” of Joshi, who he said was articulating the widespread anger against the Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) government in Uttar Pradesh.
“The Uttar Pradesh government does not work for the poor… These are right sentiments. Wherever we go, the government does not work in Uttar Pradesh.”
Gandhi said the Congress party would ensure that money disbursed by the central government to Uttar Pradesh for programmes meant for the poor reaches the target audience.
“It is our job to ensure that our programmes from Delhi are delivered to the poor people… The Congress is going to ensure that. We don’t appreciate the fact that we send huge sums of money and it is wasted.”
Joshi has been jailed for making remarks deemed offensive against Mayawati both as a woman and a Dalit. She is in a prison in Moradabad on a 14-day judicial remand.
Asked if the Congress would take action against Joshi over her remarks, Gandhi said: “That is the business of the Congress president and other senior leaders.”
COURTESY :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4789865.cms
C.L.CHUMBER said
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR EVER TO THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
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TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSER CLUB !
I AS WELL AS THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com ARE READY TO PUT OVER CASE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT .
YOU ARE THREATENING US FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR BUT YOU NEVER FILED CASE IN THE COURT .
YOU SO MANY TIMES WROTE THAT YOU DID NOT HONOUR THE SUPREME COURT`S JUDGEMENT ON ” IDIOT ” .
FIRST OF ALL , THE COURT WILL ASK YOU AND WILL SEND YOU IN THE JAIL FOR DISOBEYING THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT .
PLEASE DO NOT BARK BY ABUSING US FREEQUENTLY . WHENEVER WE WILL MEET IN THE COURT PREMISES , THE PEOPLE WILL DEFACE YOU AS YOU WROTE THAT VALMIKI , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS WITHOUT ANY PROOF .
WE ARE READY FOR LEGAL BATTLE !
hh said
You can keep lying for all you wish. Come to court and then talk about who spoke what.
You deal with Sanjam’s words seperately. Do not link me with him.
You are the biggest liar on earth. You lied that you filed a case in some people’s parliament. You are a TADA case and you have the audacity to lie like that. LOL.
Now just provide the following details, we will file a case :
1) Your full name
2) Your date of birth
3) Voter’id card number
4) PAN number
5) Residential address
6) Occupation and office address
7) Names of family members
8 ) Your annual income tax returns and proof of funding sources.
Just just provide the details instead of talking, deviating and misleading. The rest will be handled in court.
You sure cannot deny your khalistan links. Talk all that you want to talk in court. You will certainly be tried under TADA charges and sent to jail.
C.L.CHUMBER said
REVERED JOGINDER NATH MANDAL WAS PAKISTAN`S FIRST EVER LAW AND LABOUR MINISTER OF PAKISTAN . BEFORE THIS BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA WAS OFFERED THE PRESIDENTSHIP OF PAKISTAN IF HE VOTED FOR PAKISTAN BUT HE OPTED FOR INDIA . LATE MR. JOGINDER NATH MANDAL OPTED FOR PAKISTANON THE ADVISE OF DR. AMBEDKAR . MR. O.P.KAPIL , PRINCIPAL , ( MASTER GURBANTA SINGH )JANTA COLLEGE , KARTAR PUR DISTT. JALANDHAR ( PUNJAB ) PUBLISHED A SOUVNIR ON MASTER GURBANTA SINGH`S 75TH BIRTH ANNIVERSARY . IN THIS SOUVENIR A LETTER OF MR. N. SHIVRAJ , PRESIDENT , THE SCHEDULED CASTES FEDERERATION DATED NEW DELHI , 20TH MARCH , 1946 WAS PUBLISHED AS BELOW :
SECRET
DEAR MR. GURBANTA SINGH ,
I AM GLAD TO INFORM YOU THAT A SETTELMENT HAS BEEN ARRIVED AT BETWEEN THE MUSLIM LEAGUE AND THE SCHEDULED CASTES FEDERATION WITH REGARD TO THE PUNJAB LEGISLATURE .THE MUSLIM LEAGUE IS PREPARED TO OFFER TO THE MEMBERS OF THE SCHEDULED CASTES ONE POST OF MINISTER AND ONE POST OF PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY IF THE THE MEMBERS OF THE SCHEDULED CASTE FORM A COALITION WITH THE MUSLIM LEAGUE.
IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE , I REQUEST YOU AND OTHERS WHO ARE NOT IN THE CONGRESS TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY STEPS TO ORGANIZE OURSELVES INTO A BLOCK AND WORK AND VOTE WITH THE LEAGUE .
I HAVE CONSULTED THE HON`BLE DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR AND THIS HAS HIS COMPLETE APPROVAL .
YOURS SINCERELY ,
SD/- N. SHIVRAJ
20-3-46
MR. GURBANTA SINGH , M.L.A. ( PUNJAB ) ,
FALETES HOTEL , LAHORE .
BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA IN HIS SERIAL WISE AUTOBIOGRAPHY IN THE RAVIDASS PATRIKA ( PUNJABI WEEKLY ) , 615-L , MODEL TOWN , JALANDHAR CITY , PUNJAB DATED 20TH SEPT. , 1970 AND REPUBLISHED IN ITS ISSUE DATED 29TH JANUARY , 2008 ( UNDER SUB TITLE – ” POONA PACT 1932 – GANDHI AND DR. AMBEDKAR PACT ) AS BELOW :
” DURING THIS PERIOD , THERE WERE RUMOURS OF PAKISTAN AND DR. AMBEDKAR SENT SOME PUNJABI YOUNGSTERS WORKING AT DELHI TO US TO URGE THAT THE ADI-DHARAM MANDAL MUST CASTE VOTE FOR PAKISTAN . THE PUNJAB`S 10-15 TOP MOST MUSLIM OFFICERS ALONG WITH CHOWDHURY SUNDER DASS , PRESIDENT , MANDAL`S MANAGING COMMITTEE , MASTER GURBANTA SINGH AND 5-6 OTHER PROMINENT ADI-DHARAMIS IN 8 CARS AND JEEPS REACHED ( MY VILLAGE ) MUGGOWAL . THEY WERE WEL COMED WITH TEA IN TUMBLERS . BEFORE TAKING TEA , CHOWDHURY SUNDER DASS TOLD THE MESSAGE THAT PAKISTAN OFFERED 50 MURABBAS LAND , RS. 50,000 CASH AND TWO MINISTRIES . WE HAD TO CASTE VOTE FOR PAKISTAN . I FLATELY REFUSED TO ACCEPT THESE ALLUREMENTS AND THEY LEFT OUR HOME WITHOUT TAKING TEA ! DR. AMBEDKAR WAS ANNOYED ON OUR REFUSAL ( TO CASTE VOTE FOR PAKISTAN ) . AFTER PAKISTAN`S PARTITION , I ALONG WITH ( MASTER ) GURBANTA SINGH AND PREM SINGH ( M.L.A. FROM GURGAON , NOW IN HARYANA STATE ) WENT TO MET DR, AMBEDKAR AT DELHI . WE REACHED AT HIS KOTHI . WE WROTE OUR NAMES ON A SLIP AND HANDED OVER IT TO DR. AMBEDKAR`S P.A. TO HAND OVER HIM AS WE WANTED TO MEET HIM . DR. AMBEDKAR READ OUR NAMES AND CALLED US STUPIDS AND FOOLS AS WE DID NOT VOTE FOR PAKISTAN . AT THIS CHOWDHURY PREM SINGH GOT ANGER AND HE ABUSED DR. AMBEDKAR . HE BLAMED DR. AMBEDKAR THAT THAY WILL NOT LET HIM SALE PUNJAB“S UNTOUCHABLES FOR RS. TWO LACS TO JINNAH . DR. AMBEDKAR RETURNED IN HIS KOTHI AND WE RETURNED PUNJAB . WE GOT ACCEPTED OUR ALL DEMANDS FROM THE GOVTS. ( BRITISH AND AFTER PARTITITION GOVTS. ) .”
REVERED JOGINDER NATH MANDAL ALSO BLAMED DR. AMBEDKAR THAT HE MISGUIDED BENGALI DALITS TO VOTE FOR PAKISTAN . HIS STATEMENT OF BLAMING DR. AMBEDKAR IS DULY PUBLISHED IN J.N. MANDAL`S BIOGRAPHY `S 1ST OR SECOND VOLUME WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED BY MR. MANDAL`S SON LIVING AT KOLKATTA . I MET HIM IN 1995 AT KOLKATTA AND HE NOW COMPLETED THE BIOGRAPHY IN 7 VOLUMES IN BANGLA . MR. MANDAL`S STATEMENT BLAMING DR. AMBEDKAR WILL BE PRODUCED IN ENGLISH IN NEAR FUTURE .
THIS WRITE UP IS TO ATTRACT THE RESEARCHERS TO FIND THE ROLE OF THE DALIT LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME OF PARTITION OF INDIA IN 1947 A.D. SAHIB KANSHI RAM ONCE PUBLISHED A SPECIAL ISSUE OF HIS ENGLISH MONTHLY THE OPPRESSED INDIA TO HIGHLIGHT THE SAD PLIGHT OF THE BENGALI NAMO-SHUDRA DALITS LIVING IN THE DELTA OF THE GANGA DUE TO THE WRONG DECISION OF THE DALIT LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME OF PARTITION .
THIS RESIGNATION LETTER OF REVERED J.N. MANDAL AS LAW MINISTER OF PAKISTAN AND THE RESIGNATION LETTER OF REVERED DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR AS LAW MINISTER OF INDIA SHOW THEIR DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF BOTH THE COUNTRIES . LET US DO THE COMPARATIVE STUDY IN DEPTH TO FIND THE DISEASES , CAUSES AND THEIR REMEDIES OF THE DALIT PROBLEMS . THANKS .- C.L.CHUMBER
RESIGNATION LETTER OF JOGINDER NATH MANDAL AS FIRST EVER LAW MINISTER OF PAKISTAN !
Courtesy : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Resignation_letter_of_Jogendra_Nath_Mandal
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear Mr. Chumber ,
I appreciate you and the M/s https://dalitnation.wordpress.com for a missionary fight against the evils and evil persons in every field . I liked your daring challenge as below :
THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR EVER TO THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
We are with you all who fight for human rights and human dignity .
ANITA GUPTA said
WHENEVER THE HINDUISM WILL BE BURIED , THE NEXT DAY INDIA MAY HOPE OF BEING WORLD POWER !!!!! – C . L . CHUMBER ( C.L.CHUMBER said
July 27, 2009 @ 4:37 pm ) .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/kancha-ilaiah-why-i-am-not-a-hindu/#comment-7870
Dear Chumber ji ,
You are true to your commitment to the constitutional equality , liberty , fraternity and justice . The Hinduism is truly anti-constitution in writing and even in practice . But the question is how to ‘ bury ‘ the Hinduism .
I assessed from your writing as below :
1. Inter -caste and inter -varna marriages .
2. Entire Govt. / semi-Govt.jobs must be reserved for the inter-caste and inter-varna married eligible candidates .
3. Ban on the worshiping the rapist , racist and fascist Hindu Gods .
4. Arrest and put behind bars the followers of evil Gods .
5. Dynamite the Hindu temples which are the focal points of the evil followers of the evil Gods and hence the focal points of the anti-constitutional activities .
6.divide the propertie gained by communities due to the varna system among the worst sufferers of this system .
I endorse your views to make this country a constitutional India .
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu ,
I also need the same data about your good self to file a court case against your defending the rapist , racist and fascist Gods .
hh said
September 16, 2009 @ 2:48 am
You can keep lying for all you wish. Come to court and then talk about who spoke what.
hh said
Chumber,
I am not the person filing a case against you. It is someone else.
Technically you cannot file a case against me unless you have the capacity to go to the extent of extradition and such stuff because i am not an indian citizen.
You can certainly file a case against me, after we meet in court. That way it will also be easier for you to file a case against me.
You cannot cover up your Khalistan links. It is you that needs to be tried and court and jailed.
For now, provide your details so that we can go ahead with filing a case against you. See you in court.
C . L . CHUMBER said
The RSS` official weekly the Organiser dated 18th October , 2009 published an article ” The idea of incarnation is akin to the concept of National Security
By Indresh Kumar .”
LET US DISCUS THIS ARTICLE !
Thanks – C.L.Chumber .
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Opinion
The idea of incarnation is akin to the concept of National Security
By Indresh Kumar
A question used to often occur in my mind that ‘Kanha ate soil’—whether it is an ordinary incident or an extraordinary? With the growing age, after reading books, epics, meeting scholars and watching some religious serials on television, I concluded that it was not an ordinary incident.
When the God incarnated in the form of Sri Krishna in the lap of mother Devaki, and from there passing through the arms of father Vasudev, He lay in a basket and reached Gokul. Having consecrated the River Yamuna by the touch of His foot, He lay beside the mother Yashoda at her bed and then came in the cradle. When He grew up a little and started rolling over and toddling, He sanctified the mother earth by standing over it. As He touched the mother earth, she jumped up with joy and happiness and ran for welcoming, extending respect, having darshan and worshiping the God. Owing to this activity, there was some storm-like movement on the earth. When mother Yashoda realised this abnormal movement, she having left Kanha ran towards kitchen and backside of the house. Meanwhile, Kanha too came out of the house rolling over and toddling.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : NO HUMAN BEING CAN EAT THE SOIL AND BE SAFE .KARISHAN HAD THE SAME ACTIONS IN CHILDHOOD AS THE OTHER CONTEMPORARY CHILDREN DID . THE CHILDREN OF EVERY RELIGION , CASTE,GENDER AND CREED IN THE UNIVERSE ACT SAME .
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( 2 ) Dialogue between Sri Krishna and mother earth
Mother earth appeared before Sri Krishna in the form of a Goddess and offered sashtang pranam to the God. Kanha then asks, “Who are you, devi?” “Your creation, earth, my God,” came the answer. Kanha again asks, “Why have you come?” Mother earth says, “God, since you have blessed me with your divine and holy touch, I have come to have your darshan, extend welcome and also worship you.” Having said this, the mother earth became quiet and a feeling of sadness enveloped her face. The God asks, “Goddess, why are you looking sad?” Mother earth says, “God, since I am made of soil, I am confused what should I worship you with, as water belongs to Varun Dev, air belongs to Pawan Dev, vegetables, fruits and flowers belong to Vishwakarma, foodgrains belong to human and all other things belong to nature?” The God says, “Devi, perform worship with whatever you have and with what you are made of. That is hallowed in itself.” Then mother earth became happy and performed puja by offering soil to the God. The God too accepted that happily. It was an astonishing, fascinating and captivating incident that I read in many books.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : A TRUE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT , UNBORN AND HAVE NO IMAGE . EVERY LIVING PERSON CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT THE FOOD STUFFS PRODUCED FROM THE EARTH.THEREFORE EARTH IS THE MOTHER OF EVEN SO CALLED GODS`MOTHERS .
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( 3 ) Kanha ate soil
At that time Gopikas, passing through the place, wondered to watch as to how Kanha reached out of the house in such a stormy weather. When they reached closer, they saw Kanha happily eating the soil. Owing to their eternal devotion and affection to the child-form of the God, they rushed to mother Yashoda and said, “See, your, no no, our, Kanha is eating soil.”
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS :THE CHILDREN OFTEN EAT SOIL AND THEY MAKE VICTIMS OF THE ABDOMINAL WORMS .
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( 4 ) Message to protect the earth
This incident makes it clear that at the time of the worship by mother earth the God clearly gave the message of protecting the earth at the time of His incarnation. He clarified it from his own mouth in the Gita at the battlefield of Kurukshetra:
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : THE EARTH CAN NOT BE PROTECTED BY EATING SOIL . A PERSON MAY DIE BY EATING SOIL IF HE/SHE IS NOT CURED .
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( 5 ) Yada yada hi dharmasyaglanirbhavati Bharatah,
Abhuthanamadharmasya, tadatmanam srijamhayam.
Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya ch dushkritam,
Dharma sansthapanarthaya, sambhavami yuge yuge.
Here the meaning of ‘Bharat’ is literal and spiritual. It means the land with knowledge, character and human values and whenever atrocities grow or there is any harm to these things, the God incarnated in a particular form to destroy the evil forces and to restore the knowledge, character and human values.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS :The ” ‘Bharat’ is literal and spiritual ” but the manuwadi system made the aboriginal Indians illetrate and the Govt. have to spend millions on the Sarav Sikhya Abhian .A manuwadi can not be a spiritual .The Indian ” land with knowledge, character and human values” was captured by the characterless , racist and fascist foreigner Indo-Aryans .Whenever the aboriginal Indians feel harm to the ” land with knowledge, character and human values” and they destroy the evil forces and to restore the knowledge, character and human values. The Indo-Aryan manuwadis defame them and declare their own evil persons as Gods .
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( 6 ) Sita as daughter of earth
When this ordinary-looking but beautiful and extraordinary incident of eating the soil by Sri Krishna comes to the mind, another question arises in the mind. When the God incarnated in the form of Sri Ram lakhs of years ago, He incarnated in the lap of mother Kaushalya, but mother Sita incarnated as dharati putri (daughter of earth). This was also an extraordinary incident.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS :RAM DISCARDED ” mother Sita incarnated as dharati putri (daughter of earth) ” BY BANISHING HIM IN PREGNANCY WITHOUT HER FAULT ! WHY ? SITA WAS DAUGHTER OF THE EARTH AND RAM COMPELLED HER TO COMMIT SUICIDE ! WHAT A TRAGEDY !
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( 7 ) Protection of dharati putri Sita by Ram
When we go deep into the matter, we find that Sri Ram performed the unique work of granting salvation to mother Ahilya and mother Sita—Sita means ‘daughter of earth’, denotes woman and signifies culture—all three are forms of mother. The kidnapping of mother Sita by Ravana was the height of atrocities by him. Sri Ram took every kind of step to protect and liberate the mother Sita and eventually killed Ravana, the global symbol of atrocities. After killing Ravana, Sri Ram told Lakshmana:
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS ( TWICE THE SAME ) :
RAM DISCARDED ” mother Sita incarnated as dharati putri (daughter of earth) ” BY BANISHING HIM IN PREGNANCY WITHOUT HER FAULT ! WHY ? SITA WAS DAUGHTER OF THE EARTH AND RAM COMPELLED HER TO COMMIT SUICIDE ! WHAT A TRAGEDY !
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( 8 ) Api swarnamayi lanka, na me Lakshmana rochate,
Janani janma bhumishcha, swargadiapi gariyasi.
Through this shloka, Sri Ram gave the message that janani (mother) and janmabhoomi (mother land) are greater than swarga (heaven) and swarna (gold). Why did he say this? The reason is very clear. Swarga (pleasure) and swarna (prosperity) are earned by men through their conduct and labour, but the mother and motherland are granted only by the God. Nobody gives a request letter to whom and where one has to be born. Sri Ram completed his last journey through River Sarayu and mother Sita through mother earth itself.
All are human sent by the God but at the earth nation is the identity
It is an eternal and beautiful principle of the God that everybody comes as a human being from the house of God. But our identity on the earth is not decided by our group of people, caste, religion, language, party, profession etc., but we all are identified with the piece of mother land, which we got as a country and with the woman’s womb, i.e. mother, which is called our ancestors and culture. This is an eternal truth, which the God explained in the above shloka.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS : RAM BANISHED ” JANANI ” OF HIS TWIN SONS . ” JANANI ” OF HIS SONS WAS SO HUMILIATED BY HIM THAT SHE HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE ! ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI WROTE ” janani (mother) and janmabhoomi (mother land) are greater than swarga (heaven) and swarna (gold).” BUT RAM WAS APPOSITE TO IT . RAM COMMITED SUICIDE BY DROWNING IN THE RIVER BEAS IN PUNJAB AS HE WAS SO MUCH FRUSTRATED BY HIS DEFEAT IN THE HANDS OF LAV AND KUSH TRAINED BY DI-BHAGVAN VALMIK AND THE SUICIDE COMMITTED BY SITA .
EVERY HUMAN BEING IS THE CREATION OF HIS/HER PARENTS . WHEN HIS / HER PARENTS INTERCOURSE AND THE CONCEPTION BEGINS THE JOURNEY OF A LIVING PERSON .GOD HAS NO HAND IN THIS PROCESS .
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( 9 ) The message of two incarnations of the God in the form of Sri Ram and Sri Krishna is the protection of earth or the nation and its culture and values of human life. If we in the form of the nation are powerful, safe, honoured, full of character and independent, only then can we restore peace and happiness all over the world. This is the truth of the incarnations of the God. It is the yugdharma (religion of time) to be followed by all today and forever.
(The writer is Member, National Executive of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.)
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) COMMENTS :The message of two incarnations of the God in the form of Sri Ram and Sri Krishna is the NOT protection of earth NOR the nation and its culture and values of human life.THEY BOTH DISCARDED THEIR WIVES . RAMA AND SITA BOTH ARE BEING WORSHIPED IN THE TEMPLES BUT BOTH COMMITTED SUICIDES ! KARISHNA ALSO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND IS BEING WORSHIPED WITH HIS BELOVED RADHA IN THE HINDU TEMPLES !
AS LONG AS THE MANUWADIS ” in the form of the nation are powerful, safe, honoured ” THERE CAN NOT BE ” restore peace and happiness all over the world.”
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C . L . CHUMBER said
THE NAME OF KARISHNA`S WIFE WAS RUKAMANI !
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October 21, 2009 @ 10:24 am
sandeep dongre said
Why I cannot support the Jan Lokpal – a detailed analysis.
I wanted to deal with this issue in two parts:
A) The means adopted by Anna Hazare and team to drive their point of view
B) The Actual merit of “Jan Lokpal Bill”- its ability in itself to effectively deal with corruption
A) The means adopted by Anna Hazare and team to drive their point of view:
Law making is the primary function of any legislature. With the formation of the Republic of India on 26 January 1950, things changed profoundly. All Indians have a say in how laws are made and how they are implemented. We can amend or repeal laws that we do not like. There is, of course, a method to do this, which must be followed. These are the constitutional methods that Dr. Ambedkar referred to in his ‘Grammar of Anarchy’ speech.
When constitutional methods are available, there is no case for non-constitutional methods like Satyagraha, hunger strikes or the more extreme ‘Fast unto death’. No matter how good the intention is, Fasts unto the death ultimately undermines the due process. Anna Hazare is a genuine person but he should not adopt undemocratic means to drive home his point. Emotional Blackmail has no place in a parliamentary form of democracy. If two really genuine persons go on fasts until death for two opposing reasons, how are we ever going to resolve? A good example of this came to light when both the two opposing factions of the ‘Separate Telangana State Movement went on fast unto death and as is evident, the whole process came to a standstill.
India has experienced a very effective form of parliamentary democracy and it is best left to it to resolve complex matters like this. Though a very scary picture is getting portrayed, very few will disagree that India is well on its path to the top and a true parliamentary democracy has ensured it smoothly. One cannot invite the death of democracy by allowing such protests.
I will devote next few paragraphs in understanding Anna and his ‘My Way or the Highway’ style of working.
Ralegaon Siddhi has prospered under the leadership of Anna Hazare and it really looks green and fresh in an otherwise dry area. Everybody is aware of the immense hard work put in by Anna and his team and the results are there for everyone to see. Noted Journalist Mukul Sharma who has studied Anna’s village community in Ralegaon Siddhi since 1919 says that Anna is a strong follower of a belief system where the people following him consider it their natural duty to obey, and the exercising person thinks it a natural right to rule. No matter what the issue, there is an absolute recognition of authority.
Let me clearly state that the END is absolutely not in question, the MEANS are. Though the intentions might not be doubted, but Anna has been exercising a set of self-made rules which everyone in the village has compulsorily followed. These rules are far removed from what a true democracy means.
a) Getting things done by way of severe punishment is the accepted way in the village to achieve the set goals. So it was decided that anybody who consumes alcohol has to be physically punished. There are instances of drunken people tied to pole outside village’s temple and beaten. Even the villagers now agree that anybody found drunken should be brought in the centre of the village and beaten. A group of 25 youth in the village has been formed who are authorized to give punishment to drunkards (could you strike the resemblance to Jan Lokpal??). They have been dutifully tying drunkards to the pole and beating overnight.
b) Several instances of using force in implementing Family planning measures.
c) Anna’s authority even peeps into making rules for ‘Eating habits’ and trust this is a severe breach of people’s freedom. We can respect people who actively propagate ‘Vegetarianism’ but definitely not by force. There are hardly any people eating non-vegetarian food in the village. Dalits in his village were categorically told that main reason other people stay away from them is because their living is dirty, thinking is dirty and even food habits are dirty. By continuously putting pressure, the Dalits were forcefully turned into vegetarians
d) Anna strongly criticizes electoral and party politics- no wonder that there have been no elections of gram panchayat in the village since the last 24 years. Even for National/State level elections, posters and pamphlets are not allowed in the village
e) Entertainment in the form of film songs or cinema is a strict NO in the village. However, religious films like Sant Tukaram, Sant Gyaneshwar can be played. Even during marriages, only religious songs are allowed. Last year, A villager
Installed a dish antenna at his home and he was severely criticized by Anna himself.
Kailash Pote, a landless Chamar, gives a different meaning to village, family and Hindu religion. “We do not call Ralegan Siddhi a village. We call it a family in which Annajee is the headman and we are the people who provide service to the family. Here Hindus mean Marathas only. We Chamars and Mahars are never called Hindus. How can we claim that everybody is equal here?”
The above explain the use of extreme means by Anna to get things done which he believes is Right.
Lastly, As BG Varghese rightly points out, Due process can be trying at times; but banishing it for quick-fix populist methods is dangerous and could lead to anarchy and counter-violence. It is legitimate to criticize venal politicians but unfair to denigrate all politicians. Without politicians there can be no politics or political process, only dictatorship. We need to secure political and electoral reforms and reform of the police and criminal justice systems to put in place an interlocking mechanism that ensures purity in public life. There is much work to be done and hopefully the government has seen the writing on the wall.
B) The merit of ‘Jan Lokpal Bill’ – its actual ability to effectively deal with corruption:
The Lokpal Bill does not tackle any of the root causes of corruption. The bill amounts to an unparalleled concentration of power in one institution that will literally be able to summon any institution and command any kind of police, judicial and investigative power. In other words, in a situation where the problem is power, we create an entity that has even more power. It has even appointed officials instead of elected ones
There are many loopholes in the Bill which I have discussed below:
a) The three Pillars of Indian Democracy – namely the Legislature, Executive and Judiciary – keep checks and balances on the other, and so they must remain separate, because that’s the only way to ensure that there is no abuse of power. The Jan Lokpal intends to disturb this fine balance by virtually creating a fourth pillar. It intends to create an Executive outside the constitutional framework, answerable to nobody. Chances of such an organization getting corrupted by the sheer lust for power are much greater than the Executive functioning within a constitutional framework, where checks and balances ensure accountability
b) The appointment of the Lokpal will be done by a – Bharat Ratna awardees, Nobel prize winners of Indian origin, Magsaysay award winners, Senior Judges of Supreme and High Courts, the Chairperson of the National Human Rights Commission, the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, the Chief Election Commissioner, and members of the outgoing Lokpal board and the Chairpersons of both houses of Parliament. Only one person, the chairperson of the Lok Sabha, is a democratically elected person. The idea of a Jan Lokpal is modeled on an Ombudsman but there is no example where a country decided that Nobel Prize winners and those awarded with state conferred honors can be given the task of selecting those entrusted with the power to punish people
c) The autonomy and independence of the Judiciary is protected under the Constitution, which allows a member of the higher Judiciary to be removed only through the cumbersome impeachment process. The intent was to ensure that justice is administered without fear or favor. The Jan Lokpal proposal of putting higher judiciary under Lokpal is absurd. The consequences are even worse, when you consider that under it the Jan Lokpal Bill will have independent investigating and prosecuting agencies. Will any judge ever dare differ with the views of a prosecutor of the Jan Lokpal since he might face prosecution himself if his orders are misunderstood? Is it logical that Investigation and Prosecution be done by the same agency?
d) Since this country understands the language of cricket well, just try to imagine Indian captain Dhoni on field. During the course of play, several critical decisions need to be taken and it should be best left to the captain on the field to do that. If we start with the premise that Dhoni is likely to falter and should be under strict scrutiny for each and every decision he takes on field, it will be completely impossible for him to take out-of-box decisions. Most of the audience might not agree with his decision to let the last over of the match bowled by a new bowler but we cannot raise a suspicion every time he does so. If we don’t want the whole functioning of the government come to standstill on petty issues, the Prime Minister may be best kept out of Jan Lokpal.
e) We have to understand, there are enough strong laws available in this country to address literally every issue under the Sun. Implementation of a new bill will require a strong will and huge additional resources and that is where the whole problem lies. Consumer courts were created to give speedy justice but today a large number of cases are pending before it just because of lack of resources. The law was always there to arrest the likes of Mr. Kalmadi or Mr. Raja but it could happen only when it was backed by a strong will to do it. State Lokayukta is there in India in as many as 18 states today but only a Santosh Hegde could make a difference in Karnataka. There are strong laws against illegal construction, land grabbing and even mining, the need of the hour is to implement it and not spend time into making additional laws.
f) The resource crunch will destabilize the Jan Lokpal. If both the Central govt. and State govt. employees are to be brought under its scanner, the number of people it will have to cover will be around 10-12million. Obviously, huge machinery will be needed to deal with this. Also, the same system of corrupted civil servants, politicians, anti-corruption agencies, judges, media, civil society groups and ordinary citizens will work under the Lokpal to deal with corruption and just because they will work for Lokpal, will they become incorruptible? Won’t it mean adding another bunch of bribes to the long list of existing ones?
g) There is NO right to appeal- The right to at least one appeal against an order, which affects someone adversely, is inherent in the Constitution. There is no specific clause regarding appeals in the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and that is unconstitutional, to say the least
Noted political analyst Pratap Bhanu Mehta has nicely summed up the addition of Jan Lokpal as one more law. He says, “To many of us, this proposal seems like the way we approached educational reform: if BA is not good quality, introduce MA; since MA does not work, have MPhil; since we can’t trust our PhDs, have a further NET exam, endlessly deferring to new institutions at the top of the food chain without attending to basics..”
I sincerely feel that Jan Lokpal is a Medicine which has severe side-effects. While there are many ways which can help us effectively fight corruption arising out of political nexus, there is only one way to fight social corruption:
The RTI legislation can be the most effective tool in eradicating corruption. The many government decisions taken on critical issues have to be brought under public scrutiny and it is how the government can be made accountable for its decisions. Another effective way of dealing with corruption arising out of political nexus is with the help of electoral reforms like proportional representation, state funding of elections which will lead to uniform spending of candidates and most importantly the right to recall of elected representatives.
Corruption in day to day life is more of a social issue. It is a value system where when I benefit its desirable, when I am the victim, it’s not. Only a true introspection can get us to its roots. It has to be tackled from inside and only then a Lokpal can be effective.
Warm regards
Sandeep Dongre
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Rajan Varghese said
You are only giving space to CHUMBER?