We dalits had created the greatest civilization on earth in Harappa and Mohenjadaro. The Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this. But out historians don’t even talk about this. We have the living proof of harappa and mohenjadaro in pakistan. My heart bleeds when I see those ruins. How cruel the brahmins are. This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization. We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.
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china man said
ahahahah you indians make such fool of your selves.
dalit hindu muslim high caste low caste
it is all a british divide and rule strategy..
lol
Arya jati said
All Indo-Aryan people stay united.
Mullahs are plotting to divide us.
Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Khatris, Rajputs, Jats, Sikh jutts, Gurjars, Marathas have the same genes and are the same people.
Don’t be fooled by tribe names and castes. They came later to organize the indo-aryan people.
Even Muslim Jats, Rajputs and Pashtuns are from the same indo-aryan family.
This is confirmed by genetics of south asians.
So I request all Indo-Aryans across faiths, caste and tribes to stay united and not fight amongst each other.
It is described in Tuzuk-e-Babari how Babar the mongol mercilessly killed the Pashtuns when their ancestors refused to convert. But when your neck is under the sword you hardly have a choice.
Though their religion has changed today yet their genes haven’t changed and will never. They are still Indo-Aryan people belonging to the genotype r1a1a, g2a, and j2a
This is exactly the reason why pastuns had a bitter relation with the mughals.
To this date they can’t see the Hazaras who are Turko-mongol
Thyagarajan said
It is needless to work out a voluminous theory to conclude about Aryans or Dravidians.A DNA testing of Haplogroups has been key to revealing races and ethnicities across the globe.The haplogroup R1a1 belongs to the Aryans( particularly Sycthians)..Note that this haplogroup is 10,000 years old only..The haplogroup H or L is said to constitute a Dravidian DNA.The mutation defining haplogroup H took place at least 25,000 years ago, and perhaps closer to 30,000 years ago.So the age of difference between the 1st appearance of Dravidians and that of Aryans is some 15,000 to 20,000 years …..hahahaha
neemkapaudha said
andilingam said
It appears that the say, ‘little knowledge is dangerous’ is true. High caste and low cast system is not from British but from Brahmins!! Indians were United way before the British. We have been united and ruled under the Maurya Emperor which comprises a swathe of land not only India but including todays Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan. If anyone think the British has done the unification, they are absolute idiots. On the other hand a unified state of mind on its citizens were developed across India as a result of the persisting British aggression. Read about Lord Dalhousies doctrines. He is the mastermind of ‘Divide and Rule’ policy which eventually split India again into Pakistan and Bangladesh. However, the British wasn’t as evil as the Brahmins (read about Aryan Invasion) who wiped out The Indus Valley Civilization (true Hinduism) and looted the treasures, vedas and even changed the history books. for eg., Duryodhanas real name was Suyodhana. Du means bad. Su means good. All true leaders of the Indus valley resistance were names with the suffix ‘du” and through ages and through falsified info, they ruled us until British came to take their share. Well, there used to be a say in South India,…if you see a Brahmin and a deadly snake at the same time, you should eliminate the Brahmin first! If you got enough wits, think to what country the brahmins Swastika has connection to!!!
sanath Reddy said
HEY PORKY PIG OF PERIYAR REGIME….WHY DON’T YOU SETTLE DOWN IN PORKISTAN. YOU WILL FIND SO MANY SNAKES THERE. U DON”T HAVE TO KILL THEM AS BELONG TO UR REGIME !!!GOOD LUCK TRY THIS.
kkramer said
You said it yourself – a little knowledge is too dangerous! You are dimwitted and and close to being an illiterate. Why do you keep on harping on the hapless Brahmins for your stupidity? By the way, the saying to kill a brahmin is not from South India but by the dumb EV Ramasamy Naicker and his goons. They had nothing better to do than to harass the poor brahmins.
dalitnation said
TO CHINA MAN
Another Brahmin under denail. Why can’t brahmins just read their own Manu Smrithi. You will know who created Divide and Rule. The british united India. Without the British there would be no such thing as India. It is the British who created the country called India. Hinduism is all about divisions – Jati and Varna.
ashfaq said
O Dalit,
You seem to be a fool in yourself and your Periyar a PIG. Aryans were actually people from Central asia and Europe who came here in search of warmth and food. Those who raped your mothers and sisters were today’s Pakistanis,North Indians, Afgans etc.
Periyar should be killed if he comes to Pakistan.
pradeep said
dai ashfaq,you are such a ass hole dont talk rubissh about our great leader he is great than your nehru and all congress leaders asshole you muslims where the hell you come from,you were nomads in search of food and you were more or less like an beggers before asshole
Saradindu Biswas said
Are u a human Ashfaq? Your language is just an expression of an animal coming from barbarian age! Never you red EVR Periyar. Never you heard of his SELF RESPECT movement for the aboriginal people of this country. Periyar was a great human. Periyar is an icon now. You have not a single kind of weapon that can kill him. You are those kind of self-oblivious and unfortunate people have been enjoying animalism where no Periyar born.
rknaidu said
Periyar was a true Hindu stood for truth.
Perverted Brhmins, like Pigs in draingacanal. Devided us on cast, verna nonsence.
Present troubles in india is directly related to pervert brhminisms scams, cult, .
Though , In villeges their influences is vanishing and there is mix of Sudra blood in them from their womens interest in Sudra wariors.
Wake up all sudras.
follow Great man Periyar.
vinoth said
my dear real fool and PIGGGG
Brahmins raped your sister and mother. For their crime why should periyar die??? you MADDDDDDD
gaganvikram said
its we who thought you martial arts don’t forget that ! it was a tamil king bodhidharma!
lauda krishnass m[]m said
ashfaq u discuss abt pakishtani muslim gods and shia sunni, suth muslims people.. y discussing abt indian religions or caste…. Self respect movement by periyar was a awakening call and direction and path for us to follow liberate and end the dirty brahmin gods gowndaism and money extrotinism…..
dalitsena said
Dalit are reasons why india is still not emerging,hello dalit first take bath then will see all later
ZBOHajheru said
Well I dont know much but I am not Indian from India,but I am blacker than the night and I bathe in clean water and still black. Women stop and stare I have the ability to make them call my name. I am a Bahamian prince.
…..I was very glad to read the article and the comments and insults. I have been trying to find out why the dravedians or dravidians have the word veda or vedi in their ethnic classifications and were did the vedas really come from? Where they stolen by the brahnims and why does Ajanta have notty hair with african women? Where did the Harrappan civilization go? Why the hell would a brahnim worship black gods and goddesses? I guess Krishna needs to take a bath to? Now if you have the answer,…. I do too and once again I’m not from India but I sympathesize with THE DRAVEDIANS or Dalits! I am the dark and your king I am a true descendant of the hidden divinities, living distant from the material matrix. I will do destroy you without touching you!!!! If any of you pale mortals leave any racially biased writing against my people fire will burn your soul.
mani said
Mr Rk Naidu,
Periyar belongs to your caste(Balija).that’s why u speaking like that .beware,dalits marrying your women also haha. same periyar told nowadays cost of food and shirt increasing because of dailts wearing and eating.haha.why dailt web sites supporting peiryar i donot understand he always against not only brahmins even dailts
Mr Biswas,
we more read on periyar history than you we are more match than you if you come for argument.
rajkumar said
1>did any brahmin came and bombed you and your family as muslims r doing throught world declaring in top voice JIHAD read out from kuran? what wd have been your organizations and dalit media reaction if brahmins had done such bombings? how many dalit papers say a word about this jihad 2>no where in the world has reservation given to dalit/downtrodden people . google inclusion equality . u will get how far dalits have come up due reservation. no reservation is not rights of any sect . never heard so about reservation in whole world. even centuries of slaves got only affirmative action.. dalits though need it for few more decades..3> why are the 1group not giving internal division in reservation to 2nd group of dalits like madigas.. you cant give equality to your brother ..what is response of dalit media ..whispers..why not agitation by ALL dalits asking for interanl reservation..4> stop hating brahmins so much based on theories.. propagated by dalit papers.. 5> accept fact that many brahmins have stood for dalit rights through centuries.. and still are doing that. 6>come out of that logic ..x said this .y said that..etc..
Jiten said
You do realize that the Arthashastra was written much after the decline of the IVC, right…?
And the IVC, as per scholarly consensus, was not “destroyed,” but declined due to environmental conditions.
And you want to kill Brahmins? Is this what the Buddha would have wanted? Just saying…
foreign overseas shudras said
stop blame it useless it only destruct you self, please don’t blame the bramins only it part of nature system. the smartest and the strongest it should be on the top even they are the smallest population, the fool, stupid and week should be down under, i canot imagine if who supposed stay down under but stay on the top even they are the lagest population. and who can adapted well they will survive it law of nature, you should blame your self and your people also because of this, why dont you try to change yor people capability first, sorry this is just only my oppinion
Babu Raj said
The best thing British Rulers did for Indians,though unwittingly,was the creation of an united India
KT said
Your statement “Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost ” is not going to make you great. Listen to Jesus: It is in the weakness you have the power. Study ML King who made the white supremists to become aware of their moral weakness despite physical power.
Indica said
V T Rajasekar’s writing is 500% insensible and it shows that he did not go and read the history by himself and instead heard from some one about the Dravidians and Aryans story and blabber in the net. The concoted story of Brahmins came from central asia will not work. Even if they came from Central Asia, there is no issue because the Aganda (Wide) Bharath (India) was not only restricted to what we see today as INDIA. Even in Mahabharatha, dhirudharashtiran’s wife Gandhari came from country Gandhar which is at present in Afganistan. So, don’t try to fool the public by saying unholy things about Brahmins. Out of jealous, few tamilians (wrongly guided by E V Ramasamy) propagate bad against Brahmins unjustifiably. Only Brahmins (Brahmins were in Majority fighting the Britishers in spite of their less percentage in population) won the independence for India. Only the Brahmins spearheaded the development of TAMIL Language and Sanskrit language which are stated to be the OLDEST ever language in the universe. Only Brahmins uphold the culture of IYAL(Writings), ISAI (music) and NATAGAM(drama), Spiritualism in the modern India and they still preserve it. The very culture of Tamilians is better preserved in the hands of Brahmins. Even the culture of the whole India being upheld by these Brahmins. Few other (very little) persons in other castes are jealous of Brahmins for their best culture, best education, Righteousness, best characters, utmost belief to GOD, Help others wherever possible, fighting the intruders and foreigners, etc, etc, and these small percentage of other people have been talking funny things about Brahmins, but no one is going to believe them. Even, Ambedkar had come to such heights with the help of a Brahmin teacher called “Ambedkar”. That is why, Baba saheb Ambedkar had named himself after the name of his beloved teacher as AMBEDKAR. The ugly man E V Ramasamy ( unnecessarily upheld by political hooligans as Periyar, but really not so) who came from Karnataka (whose mother tongue is Kannada and he uses to speak in Kannada even in his house those days) spoiled the whole society by following divide and rule policy between Brahmins (who were in high esteem just because of their good culture, education, character, etc) and the so called lower castes. EVR was very jealous of RAJAJI’s fame and popularity. We do not know as to why he has to have jealous on RAJAJI. Rajaji is the Mountain and EVR is like valley. No comparison can be done. Even EVR is unpatriotic and this ugly man had gone to the extent of saying “NO independence is required for INDIA”. He wanted Britishers to continue the rule. EVR was against our Father of Nation, Mahatmaji, Nehruji, SC Boseji, Patelji, Rajaji, Sathyamoorthyji and other great freedom fighters. EVR was having such ugly culture that he had even married a girl of age 16 when he was 70 years old. What is the difference between EVR and Pramananda samiyar??? May be, one or two persons in the Brahmin community would have done something wrong by mistake, but on the whole the very Brahmins had done great good and best things for India and continue to do those. Considering the % of population of Brahmin community, the wrong doings by few are negligible. Even if we go to some villages, we can see that the low caste people are not treated properly by other castes except Brahmins. TVR looks like a fool when he said that “Brahmins are to be killed”. Perhaps, he thinks that Brahmins are so coward. In Modern world, it is not so. If needed, we can also take swords and guns. Don’t under-estimate. We are god-fearing people and to do away with sins, but do not think that we can not do anything if we are ill-spoken and ill-treated. Be careful. If we go on write about this, it would take a whole book. So, we stop with this now. For God’s sake, we pardon TVR. God bless TVR.
broken wings said
dude,
it is so evident thet u belong to the brahmin community, and the narrow mindedness so apparent in your words….it has been 5,00,000 years since the ape started walking and you are still stuck in deflated glory when all u are is just a slave to propaganda ,and the whole race of ours brutually parasitic.
Apart from the initial races and aboriginal races none else has lived in harmony with the nature…we have been bent on sucking everything out giving nothing.After the earth was completely depleted the greedier ones started expoliting and dominating the weeker and more peaceful ones. The aryans ,today the whites and brahmins are only a small minority.
Mahatmaji, Nehruji, SC Boseji, Patelji, Rajaji, Sathyamoorthyji and all the other fuckin ji’s are nothing but extended instruments of explloitation with fake masks of compassion .Proof, their families still holding the throne in democracy like dynasties of lore.
It would have much more decent and I would have appreciated your balls if you had just mentioned…”Survival of the Fittest”’..rather than trying to whitewash all these blood suckers.
raavanan said
The bloody brahmins are destroyed the indus valley civilisation. But the dravians [Nagars] living from indus valley upto Australia. While the bloddy brahmins entered into indus valley, they destroyed the Nagars[dravidians] culture. Hole India was living by Pandiyars. The bloody brahmins changed the history for their favour. The great Pandiya’s king Nediyon was controlled the hole india[Pandiya country]. But the bloody brahmins changed pandias history to pandavas [like pandiayars-pandavas-bharathava]-[pandiya country-baratha country]. Even Brahmins doest not have a propper language, even sanskrit does not having letters only sound, they copied from Tholkappiam. The Rik vedha is righting style copied from Tholkappiam’s literature. After 2000yrs back the Great Periyar has saved the dravidians. The great Periyar and Ambedkar were saved the nations. Save Dravidians, Eradicate Aryans. Save the Pandiya country.
pradeep said
super super super just finish it off
paratrup2012 said
Yes due. Your Nediyon controller whole of India and that is why whole of India speaks Hindi – an aryan language
mani said
hi Ravanan,
why u put Ravanan name. Ravanan is brahmin, why u refere tholkappiam.tholkappayar is brahmin. ha ha ha you fool.
Shankar said
Lucky that all other Dravidians spread across the Indian ocean. Had it been you, that would have spoiled the name of our wonderful scholarly country. You moron, get your language and vocabulary correct first. Idiotism to the peak.
aathees22@yahoo.in said
you are a brahmin who makes up stories about the greatest achievements of brahimns. dont you dare say brahmins were freedom fighters they were busy plundering the wealth of the nation by allinging themselves with the british.
if you see the history of a way of life were we pray to lord shiva,vishnu etc our area has been shrinking every century because of the perversion of the brahminsim and the dirty attitude of the brahmins. you do not have moral rights to speak about periyar, periyar was right when he said spare the snake and beat the brahmin.
paratrup2012 said
Yes and |Periyar was an atheist. Why are you interested in reading any religious scriptures whether Hindu or Christian if you are a follower of Periyar?
mani said
hi aathees,
I suppose you are not much about periyar. Periyar is bristish agent.as you have less knowledage, i leave you
Dravid said
Dear Indica, you are another person who believes in Brahminism. Just have couple of counter points. If you are aware of the Tamil literatures well, the ones that were written on people, society. love and bravery were mostly not written by brahmins. you know what there are many valid points to say Thiruvalluvar was from a lower caste.
point 2. you said it is the brahmins who fought against British? Even British will laugh at you. The kings and freedom fighters of south India were not brahmins. and the kings and brahmins were ready to give away their power by settling for administration work so that they will still be controlling ordinary citizens. There are still princes in North India. but in the south, the kings did not oblige and lost everything. The brahmins who fought for freedom very well knew the condition that is changing for freedom. they said Indians will fight in world war 2 but british should give freedom. see who will fight and who will get freedom and who will finally rule them? pathetic. and regarding ambedkar’s teacher. I am not saying all brahmins are bad. but the word brahminism can be applied to even non-brahmins who are cunning. brahmins controlled the mobility of non-bramins and a great soul like Ambedkar’s teacher had to show the way for Babasaheb. but if the society was not so heartlessly controlled by brahmins there have been millions of educated Babasahebs. why should education be given out of a brahmin’s will? society was so bad under brahmins’ control. go back home and study about how cruel it was to live under caste control. now you are saying Brahmins were great in culture bla bla… they forcibly took it from the people not that they earned it.
ajinomotu said
“We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
What are you smoking dude.
Chanakya lived in around 200 BC. Chanakya’s Arthashastra is a wonderful and scholary treatise on political science and governance. It is one of the first such treatise in the world. There is a great degree of Humanism in Chanakya’s Arthashastra. He is far ahead of his times.
Indus valley according to archealogists was during the 15 – 30th century BC. You are really a genius to link Chanakya with Indus valley civilization. Brahmins were probably not there during that time. There is no record of any archealogical evidence that indus valley was destroyed by anyone least of all brahmins. Most of the archealogists claim that it was destroyed due to drought like the mesopotamian and babylonian civilizations. No historian or scholars believe this nonsense that you and your dravidian and dalit historians are concocting as history. Even historians of the left and european historians who bad mouth hinduism don’t beleive in this history which is utter crap.
Periyar was a british stooge whose whole aim was to dismantle Hinduism and he used to cook up all kinds of funny theories that dravidians were in the indus valley civilization. I will suggest that the tamil dravidian parties headed by Karunanidhi should go to pakisthan and claim the Harrappa and Mohenjadaro sites. That will be fun.
raavanan said
Actually the Dravidian word is not correct. The Nagars and Iyakkars are correct. The Nagars were living from Sindhu veli [indus valley] up to Australia. The bloody aryans came just 3000yrs before and they doesnot have a propper language. Mr.Karunanidhi can claim the hole country for dravidians and also from pakistan, afkanistan, bangladesh up ilankai. But unfortunately bloody brahmins spoiled him also. Brahmins are poison, so that the Great Periyar called to destroy the bloody people.
Sushma said
PRESENT DAY DMK IS REALLY TRUE FOLLOWERS OF PERIYAR. THEY ARE TRUE DRAVIDIANS. LET US APPLAUDE THE ACHIVEMENTS OF
1. A.RAJA
2. KANIMOZI
3. MARANS ETC.
PROBABLY THEY ARE USING MONEY LOOTED THROUGH SCANDALS TO RESTORE GLORY OF DRAVIDIANS. LONG LIVE DRAVIDIANS & FOLLOW THE FOOT STEPS OF ISLAM
Dilip Muralidaran said
“I will suggest that the tamil dravidian parties headed by Karunanidhi should go to pakisthan and claim the Harrappa and Mohenjadaro sites. That will be fun.”
Let me add to that. Musharraff is a dalit, so he will certainly help you. Good luck 😀
dalitnation said
Don’t try to erase the dalit and dravidian history by your pack of lies. The Dravidians are the natives of this land. Your own Vedas called them the dark coloured Dasyus and enslaved them. Go read your history.
Sukra Charya said
“Your own Vedas called them the dark coloured Dasyus …”.
Very good. So, you DO accept Vedas as authoritative. Good.
Now, tell us the exact text and verse.
pradeep said
hey we dravidans were everything,before you brahmins are only pimps for the white people and sent your wives and daughters to white people just earn money and position
young brahmin said
fuck you dalits
r said
soon u will be fucked back.
Jagdish said
Your days are gone now ,you can’t make the people anymore
Dilip Muralidaran said
Dear Dalit,
The Earliest Known Vedic Literature Existed around 3600 BCE. This is proved in the form of fossils and literature we have today which have been unearthed by dalit excavators and dalit archaeologists from you own dalit community.
The Aryan Invasion as per the Christian dating system happened around 1600 BCE. So if the Invasion happened and if that is now brahmins came into existence from aryans then vedic literature should not be older than 1600 BCE but unfortunately it is and its a proved scientific fact. Its not you think claims of smoke out of the ganja you smoked before writing this article.
Secondly no civilization is static. Every Civilization has influences, so does the vedic civilizations that has aryan influences from europe. The so called dalit race can also be tracked to ancestral tracts of african tribes. That is science of human racial cycle, if at all you know some science.
Thirdly the Indus Valley Civilization was formed around river settlements. This was around a river called “Saraswathi” which dried up. The drought lasted over 300 years and the civilization abandoned and moved up north. There are no traces of war or invasion that caused Indus Valley Civilization to come to an end. If a war or conquest brought the Indus valley civilization to and end then it must have traces of weapons, fire, destroyal in the fossils but there is none. The Indus Valley Civilization in fact had only thin spear like weapons. They did not have swords, daggers and other artillery that were necessary for warfare. This proves again no conquest or war or invasion happened.
These are just starters to prove the point the Aryan Invasion theory is a thin air smoke puffed out by the cigars of christian missionaries so that they can convert the uneducated tribal and dalit crowd to christianity.
kandasamy said
i accept of what of all you have said than why did brahmins prohibit to read the sricputures ecexpt the brahmins for such a long time.
the only community that survived for so many centuries without making an effort to earn their bread or rice or whatever is the bhramin
west bengal welcomed china invading our country in 1962 war and all those were communist bastards of brahmin origin
paratrup2012 said
Why, could you not read Puranas, itihasas, stortras – where all these prohibited to you? Did you never attend any Bhagavata Sapthaham? Did you not witness any Harikatha dance? Only Vedas were prohibited. In Kerala there are still some namboodiris and namibishan who are also brahmins who do not have right to learn vedas. It was nothing specific against dalits per se
ecosoc said
Was language learning (sanskrit) open to sudras and others, and “Only Vedas were prohibited”?…
Only ‘acceptable’ folk traditions (as you mentioned) adapted to a redacted Great (sanskritic) tradition has been thge norm.
Indian history has lost the account of animus towards Buddhism (begun with Upanishadic reform), and the particularist treatment of Dalits, especially after 8-900 AD.
Indus valley authorship too seems to vest with Dravidians/ Mediterraneans (whose cult of the Mother Goddess was legitimated as consort/s and subordinated to Aryan Gods).
Muslim rule appeared to have offered no respite to Dalits, as status quo was maintained (except for some sufi engagement with Buddhist philosophy).
We must now reconstruct a plausible history from diverse historiographic sources…see Amartya Sen (address to IHC, Calcutta, HT, 12 Jun,2001); (Kandyil, 2009; Bryant, 2001)++
????? said
“Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them.” You and mr ramaswamy seem to be the greatest believers in the caste system. One must have scientific reasoning and Rationalistic thinking and must not belive irrationalists like ramaswamy blindly. You must debate and learn the flaws your writing
happyhindu said
Am a near zero in history — but dalitnation thrives in sub-zero (<-1) ‘historical conditions’ 😀
Can you please prove it that dalits created harappa; or that brahmins alone came from central asia? Instead I might say that several so-called ‘dravidians’ (who call themselves ‘dalits’) also came from central asia.
People of the sub-continenet more or less share ancient common origins. There is no aryan-dravidian-brahmin, kshatriya-vaishya-shudra as races – they had existed (and perhaps seek to exist) as cultures.
People everywhere have always fought, lost, won, integrated, organized and re-organized themselves as social structures. India has a strange history of defeating its enemeies and absorbing them, not throwing them out. Itihaasas unfortunately record only the wars, not the post-integration.
The fact that Periyar asked you not to defend yourself from a snake but instead kill a man who cud provide you with some spiritual emancipation, should tell you a lot about the man. Social equality could have been brought about by other means, not the ones he adopted.
What exactly is your problem? Always blaming someone or the other for your conditions?
When your finger points at someone, remember there are 3 pointing back at you. Blame game and finger-pointing keeps you exactly where you are.
ZBOHajheru said
if you or ancestors have caused any harm to my people fall to your knees and pray explain the truth to the creator of the illusion. He will tell you then you will point the finger in your eye…..astral
Arulalan said
My first point would be that the division between the so-called ‘Aryans’ and the so-called ‘Dravidians’ is not one of race, but one of languages. Max Mueller, the man credited with concocting the Aryan Invasion Theory, wrote, “I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair, nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language…to me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar.”
History tells us that the AIT was subverted into a strategy to divide the Indian populace and also had unfortunate and unintended implications with respect to Germany. Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, the British geneticist of the Oxford University, wrote this in his book, The Real Eve:
“South Asia is logically the ultimate origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find highest rates and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in South Asia than in Central Asia but diversity characterizes its presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any theory of M17 as a marker of a ‘male Aryan Invasion of India.’
Study of the geographical distribution and the diversity of genetic branches and stems again suggests that Ruslan, along with his son M17, arose early in South Asia, somewhere near India, and subsequently spread not only south-east to Australia but also north, directly to Central Asia, before splitting east and west into Europe and East Asia.”
And as far as I’m aware, I don’t think Dr. Oppenheimer is the member of any ‘Hindutva’ conspiracy, though you are free to believe as you will.
Another point I would make is with regards to the present situation of the Dalit people. I am a Hindu and I will be the first to admit that the Dalit people have been mistreated for centuries and centuries now, have been subjugated under a perverted system of injustice and discrimination, and for a large part, still suffer under oppressive conditions. I think the responsibility of every Hindu, regardless of caste or creed, should be to help his fellow brother in whatever manner as needed and required. But, I don’t think there should be a sense of patronization involved either. The independence or the autonomy of the Dalit people has to be maintained, that sense of pride that can do wonders in terms of individual upliftment.
I know that there will be some that will disagree with me, but I believe that Hinduism has set out by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita and the sages in the Upanishads has no place for any sort of discrimination. This is a religion that believes in the unification of all men in Brahman, the enlightenment that can be achieved by all men in their recognition and realization of that transcendental and higher power. There can be no place for division. A Brahmin is a man who has achieved that enlightenment and sees God in every one of brother and by that measure, it seems that there are hardly any real Brahmins in today’s society. I know that through the course of history, some aspects of Hinduism, unjustifiably, have been subverted and perverted by some people to accommodate the caste system we see today. But, I don’t think Hinduism should be faulted for its presence or that Hindus should be vilified for its presence. Instead, I think that the true nature of Hinduism should be called upon as a solution to the problem that we face today. As an example, I would cite the history of slavery in America. The enslavement of African-Americans were, in part, justified by the Bible by the slave-masters of the South, through the verses from Leviticus, among others. But, history also tells us that many of the abolitionists used other aspects of the Bible in their attempts to defeat that evil practice. I strongly believe that the same can be and should be done with Hinduism.
happyhindu said
Agree with you Arul, it might not be impossible that some population groups migrated out of India moving towards central asia in ancient antiquity and a branch then migrated back into India in recent antiquity. Its not far & considering there is only so much land in the sub-continent, there is only that much space to move around, fight, reconcile. Indians are naturally India-specific lineages. Only the country’s borders look different now.
Jose Thomas said
I don’t have time to check up on Arul’s facts but I’m inclined to agree with them. But the comments seem to have not addressed the underlying tone of the original message by V.T.Rajashekhar. His point is to destroy everyone who has abused his caste in the past. This is a message of anger and is a incredibly stupid ideology to be following in this day and age. If we were to set right every wrong committed in the past 4000 years, with this attitude, everyone would have to die. So I would suggest a solution is to live by your own conscience. Don’t believe in some ancient book just because other people tell you to. Use your common sense and work towards a solution. This sort of ethnocentric view is so primitive and impedes any solution to the real problems (like poverty, disease,…).
John said
Actually it has been proved that the Aryan Invasion theory is a myth created by Westerners to divide India. Sadly fools like those that run this site perpetrate this myth. Sad.
C.L.CHUMBER said
someone in this website,praised chankya & his Arath Shastra. In his book he wrote how to finfsh your enemies by plotting conceperacies .he wrote,one should kill his foe by dismantling the wall.Guru Nanak was escaped in his marriage time when some chankyas tried their best to kill Guru Nanak at Batala(Pb.)by throwing wall on him.This wall is still perserved in Gurudwra Kandh(wall)Sahib at Batala in distt,Gurdasspur on Amritsar-Pathankot road.Guru Nanak was escaped but the chankyas were succeeded by finishing Guru Chokh Mela/Guru Tuka Ram by throwing wall on him ! Chankya wrote that a person can finish his foe by dismantling balcony.At Batala,chankyas were failed to finish Guru Nanak But succeeded to finish Maharaja Kanwar Nau Nihal Singh grand son of Maharaja Ranjit Singh by dismantling balcony. I think arth-shastra is more dangerous than Manu-simiraty ! That is why Indian Govt.named an award on Chankya !Someone wrote that Aryans raped our women .He must read manu_simarity in which manu wrote that adi-vasis married brahmin ladies.Our fore father Adi-bhagwan Valmiki stood against Maryada-purushotam Ram on Sita banishment .that is why he is branded as a dacoit by Ramwadis ,Why? Sita revolted agaist Ram-rajya.Her sons Lav & kusha defeated Ram.Guru Kabir wrote in his Gurbani that Ram is my father-in-law & I am his son-in-law !The person who worship Ram ,is a dog & will go to hell !That is why the brahmins called him` haramzada`.Guru Kabir asked the Brahmins to be born by another way !–cl_chumber@yahoo.com
JB said
U have really shown ur true color nd justified y u r at bottom of the society.It is bcoz of ur mentality and cheapness.
C.L.CHUMBER said
respected sir/madam,I sent a reply email which did not surfaced on your web page.Pl do the needful & oblidge.Thanks.
Sanatan said
To Mr Chumber,
Mr Chumber you are typical of the Dalit intellegenttia. All the time concoting false history and weaving conspiracy theories. I am always amused to listen to morons like you. I am just wonderstruck by the brainwashing you have gone through.
“someone in this website,praised chankya & his Arath Shastra”
The arthashastra of Chanakya is praised by many as an exemplary text on political science. This was written more than two millenia ago and is on par with such political treatises as Plato’s republic.
” In his book he wrote how to finfsh your enemies by plotting conceperacies .he wrote,one should kill his foe by dismantling the wall.”
Chanakya wrote about many things from Revenue management and administration and Warfare in his arthashastra. He was a great chronicler of his times on the political machinacantions and strategegies pervelant during those times.
“Guru Nanak was escaped in his marriage time when some chankyas tried their best to kill Guru Nanak at Batala(Pb.)by throwing wall on him.”
Now this is typicla of Dalit writings. Linking up totally unrelated things. Guru Nanak lived in the 15th century and god know how Mr. Chumber links him up with Chanakya. When he says Chanakya does he mean Brahmins? or Does he mean Evil people? It seems you have no sense of history and showcase what an Idiot you are. Just playing around with blame game and identity politics.
“I think arth-shastra is more dangerous than Manu-simiraty ! That is why Indian Govt.named an award on Chankya !”
What award is this. Please let us know. You are smoking too much cheap hashish from your north indian dalit hasish suppliers.
“Our fore father Adi-bhagwan Valmiki stood against Maryada-purushotam Ram on Sita banishment .that is why he is branded as a dacoit by Ramwadis ,Why? Sita revolted agaist Ram-rajya.Her sons Lav & kusha defeated Ram.”
Oops Valimiki was against Rama. Great. You have such a great intellect. After you die Mr Chumber your Brain should be preserved for eternity in a museum.
“Guru Kabir wrote in his Gurbani that Ram is my father-in-law & I am his son-in-law !The person who worship Ram ,is a dog & will go to hell !That is why the brahmins called him` haramzada`.Guru Kabir asked the Brahmins to be born by another way”
Guru Kabir’s guru Ramananda was a Brahmin.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dears JB ji Thanks for taking serious notice of my views. JB ji wrote that I had shown my true colour & justified that I was on the bottom of society.How & Why ? If a person expresses his/her views freely,frankly & logically,everyone should welcome & encourage him/her.But JB said derogatory remarks against me without giving befitting reply to my views.Once late Pt. Kamlapati Tripathi said that he did not like three acts of Bhagwan Rama.1.Rama telling Surpnakha that he is unmarried.2.Sita`s banishment by Rama.3.Rama killed Ballley by deceived means.Was Pt.Taripathi on the bottom of society ? He was cabinet minister in the center & head of the brahmin lobby in the congress at center level.JB ji must clear to which society he/she belongs.What are the cariterias of top,middle & bottom of a society ? Everyone will condemn his/her authoritative,irrational views.He must read Dr.Bhim Rao Ram Ji Ambedkar`s`The Riddles of Hinduism` published by the Maharashtra Govt..He must also read Mr.P.H.Gupta Bar-at Law`s book `My study in Ramayna` which is now translated & published in Hindi by the renowned Delhi Book Co.,Canaught Place,New Delhi.DR.Ambedkar burnt Manu-simariti on 27th Dec.1927 at the Kranti Bhumi ( the revolutionary land) at Mahad in Maharashtra.(I visited in 2007) .The Manu-simarity is nullified by the Indian Constitution,democracy & awareness among the Indians irrespective of caste,creed,gender,religion ,language and area ! Now we have to burn the Arth-shastra and effigies of Chankya(302 BC) who developed cunningness in the vedic people . That is why the Bahujan Indian citizens cannot avail equality,libarity,fraternity and justice.Why not vedic people co-operate govts. at center and state levels to extend reservation in judiciary and army ? These are the real stooges of the vedic people.Sahib Kanshi Ram used to say that the judiciary and the army are the main hurdles to liberate the Bahujan Samaj.Dr.Manmohan Singh PM confessed publically that the Indian judiciary is corrupt.In fact,the whole system is corrupt.We are optimistic when we watch in the LAJJA movie saying modern Sita to his husband Rama that he first gave proof of his holiness.You vedic people say Ambedkar was a false God.We say `BEWARE OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS WELL AS THEIRS IDIOT FOLLOWERS !!!!!
happyhindu said
Mr Chumber,
No matter what you say
a) I cannot stop being a hindu just because I am a Shudra.
b) I cannot dislike people of other varnas just because I am a Shudra.
c) I need a brahmin in my life for various reasons such as conducting my marriage. If you don’t need one, it your own prob, and not the problem of other hindus.
Everyone has their own interpretation of the Ramayana. In what way are present day brahmins and other hindus responsible of the views of every author who wrote his own version of the Ramayana?
You are typically twisting and turning things to suit your purpose of brahmin bashing and hindu-whitewashing.
cool said
Dalitnation,
What on earth do you get by deleting my postings??
Getting angry / paranoid??
🙂
happyhindu
cool said
you will allow only ppl who post trash like chumber speak…if you are really bothered about equality, why do not you let everyone speak with equal standing?? why block specific posts??
C. L . CHUMBERc said
NEITHER INTER- DINING NOR INTER-CASTE / INTER-VARNA MARRIAGES ARE SOLUTIONS OF CASTE AND VARNA MENTALITY !!!!! Respected MR./Mrs./Miss Happy Hindu,
Why are you not writing your real name ? Can you produce legal documents in support of Mr. Happy Hindu name ? Otherwise ,the viewers of the Dalit Nation will not believe on you
Now I come to your points.You may continue to be a Hindu or convert to any another religion ,this is your constitutional right .But you claimed to be Hindu as you you are a shudra .In which pre-Muslim Hindu scripture had written that the Brahmins,Kashattriyas,Vaish and Shudras are Hindus ? The Muslims gave them this term ! What are the benefits /rights of being a fourth class varna Shudra Hindu ? Please read the Manu-simarity to know the rights and duties of each varna.
For example in the Manu-simiraty,the Brahmin has a legal right to rape the women of the Kashattriya,Vaish and Shudra women.The Kashattriya has a manuwadi legal right to rape the women of vaish and shudra varnas. . The vaish has a manuwadi legal right to rape every shudra woman ! But the shudra males were not given the manuwadi legal right to rape the Brahmin,Kashattriya and vaish women .Why ? The manu-simiraty ordered to cut off the pinus of shudra if he rape / intercourse with a Brahmin lady.Why ? Mr./Miss Happy Hindu is planning to marry a Brahmin lady for various reasons ! Please let us know some main reasons .The Hindu / Vedic socio-religious system is a system of gradation and degradation.The Hindu /Vedic is totally crushes the shudra varna which is now codified as the SCs,STs and OBCs ,The Non-Hindu religious population is also mainly converted from shudras .Ex shudras are still denied there legal rights.
. I am sure that the so-called self-respectful ( ? ) Happy Hindu shudra may not dislike the other varnas but other varnas hates the shudra including him / her .May I ask a question with due regards that a woman of any varna or non-varna can tolerate this manuwadi system ?.Mr.Lal Krishan Advani gave statements as deputy. PM of India that the rapists must be hanged till death but he worship the rapist Bhagwan Vishnu ( please read the Padam Purana & watchthe movie the TULSI VIVAH ).He and his BJP party is still determined to build a Rama`s temple at Ayodya ( Up ).We all know that Rama was an incarnation of the rapist.racist and fascist God Vishnu.
Mr./Mrs Cool objected that I wrote trash . He may participate in the debate to give benifit reply to my or any other person `s views .The both sides will benefit from this debate.The main problem in India is that our information is verbal not first hand information.Please read the scriptures of a well reputated publishers.I have complete faith in the Indian constitution and scriptures of every religion based on equality,equity ,liberty , fraternity and justice.The caste system / varna system will not be annihilated by merely inter caste/inter-varna marriages and inter-dining .
The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.Education up to university level must be free of cost or refundable interest free loan in at least 15 years .There must be a ban on the worshiping and highlighting rapist,racist and fascist GODS.There must be a ban on the religious places where is highlighting the rapist,racist and fascist Gods.Mr./Miss Cool may call it trash but one day my writing will be an historical mile stone .You may worship but your coming generation will not do the same.Thanks.
Shantaram said
Mr Chumber can you please answer these questions:
Which Organization is practicising Manuwadi system?
Can you please show/point us to their Organization Charters / Manifesto / Websites where they have claimed that they are manuwadis? Also please show us how their party / organization manifesto is derived from Manusmrithi?
Can you also clearly prove when these Organizations have supported Manusmrithi?
Can you also prove to us how these organizations / communities/ castes are imposing Manusmrithi in soceity?
Please give answers to these questions before we talk further.
Shantaram said
Mr. Chumber
“The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.”
Also how does property became Manuwadi as the Brahmins who are on top of the Manuwadi classifications own lesser property than other castes. Also Manu mentioned only four castes. How come there are thousands and thousand castes in India. How was Mr Manu the author of the Manusmrithi responsible for the creation of this. He only said four castes are present in Soceity.
Shantaram said
Dear Mr. Chumber you seem to have answers for everything:
“The property must be nationalised or equally distributed among Indian citizens as this is the product of manuwadi system.”
Are you suggesting communism in India with a ban on private property. I am all for it. Also I have nothing much to loose. Don’t have too much money to loose like Mayavathi (she declared 52 crores as her assests legally. Estimated at 200 crore actual assets), Lalooji (500 Crores – estimated), Deve Gowdaji (700 crores), Karunanidhiji and his Family (700 Crores) not to mention the business tycoons like Amabani, Azim Premji, Narayan Murthi, Mittal etc.
Will all these people share their wealth with a poor man like me (and all the other poor people of course) . I have no landed property and eke out a meagre monthly existence by the salary I earn and I just break even every month. Do you have any practical suggestions as to who or how the private property will be abolished in India. I am definetely curious to Know. When or who do you think can abolish private property.
Who will distribute the property? The Government? And who are the government but people like Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi, Mayawathi, Sushil Kumar Shinde, Deve Gowda, Karunanidhi, Rajashekar Reddy, Chandrababu Naidu, Narendra Modi, Advani, Brinda Karat. Will all these people share the wealth equitably with all the people. How is it possible. Please let us know your enlightened views?
Also I read the constituion of India drafted by the constitutional comitee chaired by Dr. Ambedkar and we see:
Chapter 3 – Article 294 and 295 – “PROPERTY. CONTRACTS, RIGHTS, LIABILITIES, OBLIGATIONS AND SUITS” clearly talks of the legitimacy of owning private property. Now should the constitution be revised. Were the constitution makers Wrong. Mr Chumber please answer me?
Shantaram said
Mr Chumber don’t get me wrong I do agree with some utopian things you mentioned. But how is it going to be implemented:
“Education up to university level must be free of cost or refundable interest free loan in at least 15 years .”
Now who will implement this. According to you Hindus cannot implement this. But now in the centre we have a Givernment by Mr Manmohan Singh a Sikh and controlled by Mrs Sonai Gandhi. Can they give education up to university level free of cost. What is preventing them? What is preventing chief ministers like Mayavathi, Karunanidhi, Rajshekar Reddy to bring this into effect. They have all the power. Also they are not supposedly Manuwadis right? So whats the problem here? Why don’t these people do it?
Shantaram said
Mr Chumber,
“There must be a ban on the worshiping and highlighting rapist,racist and fascist GODS.There must be a ban on the religious places where is highlighting the rapist,racist and fascist Gods.”
Although I am an atheist, I do beleive in the freedom of people to practice any religion they want as long as it does not impinge on other’s freedom. You have already mentioned about some hindu or brahminical gods like Vishnu, although most Hindus might not agree with your vile comments on their gods and they have a different conception and image of their deities, let us assume what you have said is right. Now we also see in Old testament about the violent nature of Yahweh the god of the abrahamic religions. I can supply you with many quotes from the Old and New testament and the QUran on the racist and violent nature of their Gods. We see the Quran the cry for the killing of non beleivers. Now all these religions need to be banned as well by your same logic. Actually I don’t mind at all. It is a great Idea.
Now again I open the constitution of India. Now the constituion of India has many articles which go against banning people from believing in their religion:
Article 15. Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth.—(1) The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.
(2) No citizen shall, on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them, be subject to any disability, liability, restriction or condition
Article 25. Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion.—(1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion.
Clause (2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law—
Sub Clause (a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice;
Article 26. Freedom to manage religious affairs.—Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right
Now Mr Chumber please let me know how you can ban religion without going against the constitution. Please respond?
happyhindu said
Mr.Chumber,
My name is Lavanya. Nobody I know subscribes to what politicians ask everyone to do — hate other people based on caste. We may not agree with each other on what we say. But personal attacks on me are not welcome.
Please prove with quotes from the Manusmiriti to show what you say abt the
a) legal rights of a brahmin to rape the women of the Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra varnas.
b) legal right of a Kshatriya to rape the women of vaishys and shudra varnas.
c) legal right of a vaishya to rape every shudra woman.
You even seem to lament that shudra males were not given the manuwadi legal right to rape the Brahmin, Kashattriya and vaish women. How obnoxious.
If you have read a translation of the manusmriti, you would not have believed in the trash instilled in your mind. All of the above is absolutely trash.
You say that the Hindu /Vedic totally crushes the shudra varna which is now codified as the SCs, STs and OBCs. Even Ambalavasis (consists of brahmins) are in the Karnataka OBC list. Everyone knows how wealthy the Tulu banias are. But they are in the OBC list. What are you trying to prove? All this only shows caste has nothing to do with being on the benefits-reservation beggers list.
Again, I ask you to prove to me that “The Non-Hindu religious population is also mainly converted from shudras. Ex shudras are still denied there legal rights”. You post trash as it has been drilled into your mind. Looks like you have not even tried to look up books / facts to know if the rubbish ideas stuffed into you is right or not.
Aussie bob said
This is all very amusing to an aussie surfer who stumbled upon this page. i’m glad we don’t have a caste system here.
HIB said
Hey Aussie Bob,
It is called different in your country. It is called “racism” there.
Recent apology from your national head for the cruelties met out to tribal natives there is what is called as “Caste” in India.
But now India is almost out of caste system. It will eradicate in few years. But Aussie just started “racism” against south-east asian students, particularly Indians.
Shantaram said
Dear Aussie Bob,
You should be glad that there is no caste system in Australia. Again on paper there is no Caste system in India. But discrimination exists in reality and politicians use caste as vote banks to come to power. Also due to unequal distribution of wealth across different communities the problem in India is highly compounded. And in terms of population, the population of our country is so huge and every year we add one Australia to our country.
You are indeed lucky to be born in Australia and enjoying so many priveleges which is not avialable to many of us in poor nations. Lucky you. You should thank your ancestors who were convicts from Britain captured who were sent by the british colonial rulers to australia and killed all the aboriginals. I heard aboroginals in australia live in concentration camps. Also I heard you had apartheid in your country till a few decades ago. Also I heard from asian folks who stay in australia that it is a highly racist country. It all depends on where you are positioned. If you are white australian then you are lucky. What if you are an aboriginal or some other race.
Your immigration laws are very strict and not allow people from populated countries to partake of the resources. Indeed you are lucky that USA is helping you out and providing you the military base and protection, otherwise China would have run over you long back.
Anway I am simply envious of you Australians who enjoy life so well. Your wonderful beaches and those sexy australian women. Always playing sports and games but in my life I struggle for existence every day. I am even afraid to marry and have kids so as not burden the Indian population.
I don’t beleive in reincarnation but if hypothetically speaking if I am asked where i would be born again in my next life. I would love to be born in Australia as a white man. Have fun with loads of girls – blond, black, indians and chinese. Holiday in the bali islands. Play fotball, cricket and volleyball. Get married and have five children.
Mangesh Dahiwale said
These brahminical rabid dogs can justify caste system by citing apartheid in australia. Brahmins believe what they want to believe. They are virus on earth. If equality has to be established brahminism has to be destroyed.
happyhindu said
Mangeshji,
If brahminism is destroyed, then hindusim will be destroyed. Everyone cannot do everyone’s jobs. I cannot do a brahmin’s job. I am content with my life and have no plans to switch-over to a brahmin’s job. So, I need one in my life.
And I wish everyone’s jobs are better-paid, a brahmin’s as well as that of a mazdoor’s (FYI, it seems these days that a mazdoor earns more than a brahmin priest).
C. L . CHUMBER said
TOMORROW`S SAWAMI JUTANAND !!! TO-DAY`S SAWAMI ACHHUTANAND !!!
Respected viewers,
I could not reply in time because I was on my public tour of Kanpur and Varanasi ( UP ) from 5th May to 14th May 2008 .I was main speaker of Sawami Achhutanand `s( 6.5.1879 -22.7.1933 AD ) 129th Birthday Function on the ground of Sawami Achhutanand Samadhi Sathal opposite PS Nazirabad , Nai Zamin , Lajpat Nagar,Kanpur on 6th instant.Mr. Ravinder Patani , Mayor,Municipal Corporation,Chief guest,Mr.Partap Singh, Judge.( retd.)presided over ,S. Sukhwinder Singh Bhalla (ladi) ex member ,the Minorities Commission,UP state performed opening ceremony,Mr.Anil Sharma ex Mayor and Mr. Shiv Kumar Beria M.L.A. were Special guests of honor..M/s Rajinder Kuril,president,Ramesh Chander Kuril Councillor/gen.sec.P.Lal,Jai Narain Kuril,JP Sonkar,Dr.Hira lal,Kailash Dhiman,Sowaran Singh were main organisers of this function.
I wish to inform you all through the esteemed Dalit-nation regarding this socio-religious revolutionary Sawami Achhutanand who founded the Adi-Hindu movement to achieve equality ,liberty,fratenity and justice for the under previlege untouchable Indian citizens.on 17th Sept. 1922 at Delhi and the Indian govt. recognized it in 1923 AD.He proclaimed 9 main commands of the Adi-Hindu movement.( !.) I have faith in the oneness of God. God is immaculate,sinless,eternal,infinite,amorphous,unborn,timeless,omnipresent,, peerless and true !God has neither religious book nor ever incarnated on earth .God has no statue,God is omnipresent in the universe .And God`s flash is luminance within me.and God`s peception and my actions accordingly is my religion.
( 2 ) I believe that I am Adi-Hindu being aboriginal Indian and that is why I am the owner of the Indian country ! Our duty is is to develop our primitive land now called as India and it is my foremost duty to establish here the rule of the truthfulness and justice .
(3 ) I have faith that the religion of the ( medieval period Bhakati Movement `s) Saints is India`s Adi-dharam and being full with humanism,is the really blissful religion !
( 4 ) I have faith in that all are equal and have brotherhood.The thinking of gradation and degradation on the basis of clans,sects and varnas is deluding.A person is graded by his/her virtues and degraded by his/her misdeeds.God lives in a person`s true heart.and that is why the behaviour of equality with each person is the prime religion .
( 5 ) I have faith in that to abstain from sexual instinct,, anger ,greed,attachment,pomposity and postulate thoughts is the religion of mind ! To abstain from falsehood,bitter,backbiting,denunciation and useless talk is the religion of voice ! And to abstain from violence,prostitution,gambling and intoxication is the religion of the body ! That is why I will try my best to follow this universal blissful religion by thoughts,speech and actions for my salvation.
( 6 ) I have faith in the grate Saint Kabir`s teachings that all the Brahmin-scriptures are based on selfishness , falsehood and injustice ! And theirs laws of religious scriptures etc.are the causes of the downfall of Hindus! That is why, I make commitment to denounce completely the Brahmin devtas,incarnations and brahminized religious discourses treating false and decadent ! And I will never neither perform birth ,tonsure , marriage and death brahminized ceremonies nor by brahmins !
( 7 ) I will highlight my forefathers `high character and the glory of the Adi-vansh( aboriginal-clan ) by efforts continuously .I will encourage our intellectuals to write books on our forefathers .I will be active to commemorate them by arranging public functions and for the educational ,technical,economic ,social , political ,physical , and psychological development of our Adi-Hindu brothers continuously .
His first ever name was Hira lal.His guru and his relatives bestowed him with a new name Sawami Hariharanand.He was married with smt. Hira Bai .He had four daughters who got married.He was well versed with 8 Indian languages.He wrote six books in Hindi—( 1 )Shabuk Balidan ( Drama ) In this book Sawami ji exposed Hindu bhagwan Rama for killing innocent pious Saint Shambuk ! ( 2 ) Mayanand Balidan ( biography ) ( 3 )Achhut Pukar ( Voice of the untouchables )-Religious songs ( 4 ) Pakhand Khandani ( Heterodoxy refuted ). ( 5 ) Adi-vansh ka danka ( drum of the aborigional people )-poetry ( 6 ) Ram rajya nyay ( justice in the reign of king Rama )-drama.
Mr.Hira Lal ji s/o Mr. Mohan Dass Karam Chand Gandhi ji the rasharpita of the Hindu-rashtar came to allure sawami Achhutanand but Sawami ji showed a stale piece of loaf from his pocket .Sawami ji asked hira lal how he dared to test his devotion towards his people.Later on the Hindus wrote a book against Sawami ji under the title “SAWAMI JUTANAND “.The writer of this book later was nominated ass president of Congress ,UP state.
I as main speaker of the function advised the gathering not only make shoes but also beat unconstitutional elements with shoes as weapon because the govts.had no time to annihilate caste system.The chief guest of this function also condemned this writing and writer.Later on ,people added to my knowledge that the UP govt. published a book on silver jubilee of the so-called independence in which the writer wrote derogatory and unconstitutional remarks against Sawami ji.The local Hindi press covered this function with news and color photographs.WE ARE PROUD OF SAWAMI JI , HIS PHILOSOPHY AND HIS HIGH SPIRIT TEAM !!!!!
C. L . CHUMBER said
Respected Sanatan ji,
I am very happy to know your views( dated 28/4/2008 ) regarding me – –
” typical dalit intellectual ,all the time concoting false history and weaving concpiracy theories , amused to listen morons like you , wonder strucked by the brainwashing you have gone through , an idiot you are , you are smoking too much cheaping hashish from your north Indian dalit hashish suppliers ,after you die .” You had shown your state of mind which can put you behind bars ! I have pardoned you first time .If you wish to know the long hands of law of the land , your good self may send me your email address/ complete address so I may serve you legal notice or register an F.I.R.against your good self to give you a rare chance to establish blames against me in the honorable court ! This is up to you .
Secondly ,Chankayas and Platos are not intellectuals of the layperson ,they are the stooges of the exploiting society ! Indian Govt. declares every year ” Chankya award “.You may confirm .I know the period of Chankya and Guru Nanak.I wrote Chankyas not Chankya .A brahmin mishra Pt. Lal Chand Mishra of western UP baptised as Sikh S. Lal Singh and took oath as a minister in Maharaja Ranjit Singh regime .A dogra of Jammu baptised as Sikh S.Dhian Singh and took oath as a minister in Maharaja Ranjit Singh.They both were treachers who acted as monsters instead of ministers.If they did not treach in the Anglo- Sikh wars ,the India will be liberated in 1957 AD from the clutches of the Britishers !
Thirdly ,Adi-bhagwan Valmik was a feminist as he wrote in Ramayana that the mother-land and mother are superior to the heaven .The mother Sita and Lav,Kush `s lives were due to Him ! But the monsters call Him as dacoit !
You wrote ,” Guru Kabir`s guru Ramanand was a Brahmin.” It is as wrong as a person say “, Jyoti Rao Phule, Prof.Ditt Singh Gayani ,Sawami Achutanand , Babu ManguRamMuggowalia,Periyar,Chhatarpati Shahu ji maharaj,Dr. Ambedkar,Joginder Nath Mandal and many other leaders were the followers of Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru ! “In the second week of May ,2008 , I visited Varanasi where Adi-Gurus Ravidass and Kabir dared to challenge the manuwadis in their own religious capital There I purchased a book titled “Kabir -selected couplets from the sakhi in translation ” written by Dr. Mohan Singh Karki Ph.D.He wrote,”On this point also there is no unanimity among the biographers as on Ramanand`s death Kabir is said to be a lad of 13 years !
Shantaram said
Dear Chumberji,
Your post has lot of contradictions.
” 2 ) I believe that I am Adi-Hindu being aboriginal Indian and that is why I am the owner of the Indian country ! Our duty is is to develop our primitive land now called as India and it is my foremost duty to establish here the rule of the truthfulness and justice ”
What is this Adi-Hindu which is the product of your imagination. Where and in which scripture is this mentioned. Is it some title you have coined yourself. Now it is also proven that dravidians came from Africa. Should you not be going back to africa to claim the land there. Good luck.
How do you become the owner of the country? According to the constitution of India we don’t have owners of India. What we have is citizens. What plans do you have of developing India which you call primitive land other than of course bashing up Hindus.
“3 ) I have faith that the religion of the ( medieval period Bhakati Movement `s) Saints is India`s Adi-dharam and being full with humanism,is the really blissful religion !”
The Bhakti movement was a direct result and has a great influence from vedanta, purana and agamas. We never heard the great bhakti saints Kabir, Dadu, Nanak, thukaram, ravidas, Chaitanya, Haridasas and the Bauls express sectarian hatred like you do. They were against socail evils and were steeped in devotion to ‘Hindu’ gods like Rama & Krishna. Have you even read the dohas of Kabir. It looks like you know nothing. If you remove words like ‘Rama’, ‘Krishna’ and ‘Govind’ from the literature of the Bhakti Movement you will be left with almost nothing.
“( 4 ) I have faith in that all are equal and have brotherhood.The thinking of gradation and degradation on the basis of clans,sects and varnas is deluding.A person is graded by his/her virtues and degraded by his/her misdeeds.God lives in a person`s true heart.and that is why the behaviour of equality with each person is the prime religion .”
If you have faith that all are equal then how can you or your so called adi Hindus claim exclusive ownership of India. You yourself are steeped in hatred and sectarianism. Try to look within first before accussing others.
“( 5 ) I have faith in that to abstain from sexual instinct,, anger ,greed,attachment,pomposity and postulate thoughts is the religion of mind ! To abstain from falsehood,bitter,backbiting,denunciation and useless talk is the religion of voice ! And to abstain from violence,prostitution,gambling and intoxication is the religion of the body ! That is why I will try my best to follow this universal blissful religion by thoughts,speech and actions for my salvation.”
Good luck to you. This is also similar to many monastic vows of Hindu sanyasis, Buddhists and Jains. I never understood their life negative approach. Anyway how would you abstain from sexual instinct. Do you want to take a vow of celibacy like Vivekanada and Gandhi.
“6 ) I have faith in the grate Saint Kabir`s teachings that all the Brahmin-scriptures are based on selfishness , falsehood and injustice ! And theirs laws of religious scriptures etc.are the causes of the downfall of Hindus! That is why, I make commitment to denounce completely the Brahmin devtas,incarnations and brahminized religious discourses treating false and decadent ! And I will never neither perform birth ,tonsure , marriage and death brahminized ceremonies nor by brahmins !”
Kabir never mentioned that all Brahmin scripture are based on selfishness. Have you read the Upanishads. Read it and read the Dohas of Kabir. Read Japji and read the Ishavasya Upanishads. You will find such similar sentences, it is amazing. The upanishads are so called brahmin scriptures acknowledged and commented by people like Shankaracharya and Ramanuja. Do you know anything at all about Kabir and so called Brahmin scriptures that you are putting you hate agenda into his mouth. The Guru of Kabir of whom he holds in such High regard was Ramananda, a Brahmin. Why was Kabir eulogizing about Rama all the time? Don’t you think you have missed the mark completely in your missionary agenda. Regarding Brahmin cermonies even many Brahmins dont perform it and also there are so many variations even within them and anyway who is forcing you to do all this. Has any brahmin pope given you a decree that if yoy don’t do this yoy will be damned. You seem to be hallucination Mr. Chumber. Wake up and see the reality. Don’t be so paranoid about Brahmins. Give a dog a bad name and then hang it that seems to be your policy.
” 7 ) I will highlight my forefathers `high character and the glory of the Adi-vansh( aboriginal-clan ) by efforts continuously .I will encourage our intellectuals to write books on our forefathers ”
Good luck in your mission. Just don’t get sidetracked into abusing other communities while you are praising your forefathers. They would have done great and expemplary work but you only agenda is to prove someone else is inferior. That simply shows the kind of inferiority complex you have and try to mask it by all the abuses you throw agaonst others.
“His first ever name was Hira lal.His guru and his relatives bestowed him with a new name Sawami Hariharanand”
Just a question, why does this so called adi-Hindu have a Hindu name like Harihara (Vishnu-Shiva) . And why the sanskrit title Swami if he is so against the Hindus. Could he not have found a better name like maybe how the dravidian leader Karunandi christned his son. He talks of tamil and named his son Stalin. Never heard ‘Stalin’ from any tamil literature from 1 ad.
chetan said
vedas are shrutis and smrutis i.e. heard and remembered books. the compilers of vedas had no much knowledge and merely poluted indian stream of sciences like yog and tantra.
Upanishad was not written by brahmins because it is impossible for brahmins to write something that will jeopardize their alms that they use to live upon. since brahmins controled sanskrit and strictly avoided sharing it with nonbrahmins, todays scriptures are result of polution done by brahmins to indigenious indian schools of knowledge. let us reject all our holy scriptures and freshly cultivate the spirit from which we will create new scriptures that will guide not only the indian civilization but also the the whole civilizations and so far brahmins are concerned they are they are giving a last vigorous flicker.
Ramchandran said
To Chethan,
“Upanishad was not written by brahmins because it is impossible for brahmins to write something that will jeopardize their alms that they use to live upon. ”
Upanishads were certainly written by Brahmins. Please read the upanishads and their seers – Yajnavalkya, Shvetaketu, Angiras, Nachiketa – all of them were Brahmins. Unfortunately your conspiracy theory against Brahmins stands on loose grounds. Try someother stunt.
Upanishads have extensive verses talking about Prana and Pranayama. They talk of the five different pranas – the pancha pranas which are the basis of Yoga. The tradition of Yoga has been upheld, preserved and transmitted in ancient India only by the Brahmins. Why is this so? Even the greatest of tantriks from Gorakhnath, Matseyndranath to the other sages in the Nath lineage were Brahmins. Why is this so?
Why are Brahmins stipulated to practice Pranayama and Kara Nyasa twice everyday during the Brahminical Sandya Ceremony. Can you name any other community in India who have such practices like Pranayama incorporated into their rituals. I am not talking about the new age Hinduism rituals where all communities have adopted these practices. But just to prove that your hatred against Brahmins and their culture is unsubstantial I want to know.
C. L . CHUMBER said
AN ASS`S BETTER THAN BRAHMIN , A DOG IS BETTER THAN ALIEN GOD ;
AWAKENING A SLEEPING TOWN , MUCH BETTER PROVES A CROWING COCK.
ADI-GURU KABIR (pg 47 ).
Dear Shantaram ji,
Your good self had misunderstood about Sawami Achhutanand`s 7 commandments of the Adi-Hindu.That is not my version.Please amend yours views accordingly.You questioned me,”Have you even read the dohas of kabir ? ”
I have a my personal big library having about 10,000 reference books, I recently visited Varanasi to purchase literature on Adi-Gurus Kabir and Ravidas.I purchased “KABIR SAGAR” in 11 vols.,”KABIR MANSHUR “, ‘B I J A K”. I would like to present some dohas translated in English by Dr.Mohan Singh Karki Ph.D.in his book ‘KABIR ” ( Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Pvt. Ltd.Delhi,2001 AD branches at B`lore,Mumbai,Kashi,Patna,Pune,Kolkatta,Chennai) with courtsey.
* * * * * OF THE SHREWD ( BRAHMIN )* * * * *
( ! )It is easy to be a master, but difficult to be a slave . For the sake of wool sheep was reared , tethered , it doth the cotton graze .
( 2 ) ( The pundit ) read the four Vedas , but for God did`not grow any love.
Kabir took away ears of grain , pundits in crop-field make a search .
( 3 ) The brahmin is the world`s guru ,guru of the righteous he`s not..Entangled in the tangle of the four Vedas ,he is dead lost.!
( 4 ) Cunningness did the parrot learn, even then it`s inside the cage.To all and sundry it exhorts , to comprehend itself doth fail .
( 5 ) Seated in the midst of the stars , the moon enjoys a lot of praise .No sooner doth the sun rise, then , together with stars , it doth fade.
( 6 ) The pundit`s manuscripts are alike the knowledge of a partridge , to others doth tell good omen,of its own noose lacks the knowledge .
( 7 ) Oh ! what use is the cunningness ? Which doesn`t the world assimilate. Crores of hymns the parrot repeats but at last is eaten by cat..
( 8 ) The pundit and the torch-bearers-either of the two in the darkness gropes , To others he doth give the light but he himself in the darkness goes.
( 9 )Too much reading has made thee stone ,too much writing has made thee brick, in the heart heart no wetness of love was found , Kabir doth think.
( 10 ) Too much reading has made thee stone , too much writing has made thee thief : that the reading is altogether different which to Saheb leads .
( 11 ) The brahmin is the world`s ass who is burdened with pilgrimage : The client says ,”I did acts of goodness”, the brahmin has his labour`s wage .
( !2 )An ass`s better than a brahmin , a dog`s better than alien God ; awakening a sleeping town much better proves a crowing cock .
( 13 ) The brahmin sank, so Kabir says , with his sacred thread `s forceful load , he asked for eighty four ( births ) breaking off from Transcenntal God .
( 14 ) The kalyug`s brahmin is a clown , so to him ought not to donate ,with his family he`s hellward bound,alonwith him his client doth take(pages45&47)
This establises that Adi-Guru Kabir was deadly against brahmins and theirs Gods ! That is why Brahmins call him haramzada .How can wen tolerate the humiliation of a widow brahmin lady and our guru ji.What was name,address and parentage of that poor brahmin lady ? Thanks.
C. L . CHUMBER said
RAHMINISM AND HINDUISM ARE TWO SIDES OF A RARE FAKE COIN !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
M/s Mangesh Dahiwale ( date12/5 ) & Happy Hindu @ Lavnya ( 13/5 ) have some hot & conclusive discussions ! Mr.Mangesh Dahiwale called brahminism rabid dog and virus on earth .He has resentment that the brahmins justify the caste system which the Indian constitution banned .That is why he call them rabid dogs And virus on earth which created and maintained inequality.!He suggests to destroy brahminism to eatablish
Mr.Happy Hindu @ Lavnya who claims to be a shudra and is stooge of the other three varnas writes in response to Mr. Dahiwale ,” If the brahminism is destroyed then the Hinduism will be destroyed ..” Is brahminism life line of Hinduism ?.” The kshtriya Buddha and Mahavir Jain revolted against brahminism and they established Buddhism and Jainism .The vaish Sikh gurus also revolted against brahminism and they establishe Sikhism.The shudras also revolted from Brahminism/Kshatryism/vaishism from ancient times to till date .The Indian constitution eroded the manuwad .The brahminism is cancer / aids /bird flu like chronic disease .It must be cured on war footing level otherwise our country will have to face a civil war.The democracy will flourish and the fake coin having two sides named brahminism and Hinduism will be sent in the gutter .This is my final analysis.Thanks.
C. L . CHUMBER said
Dear administrator,
Thanks for surfacing my 3 writings which were not visible before.This has encouraged me as well as the viewers.I will write on Bengali widows after studying in the last week of July 2008.I have to visit Varanasi and Mathura at least twice.Pl amend “Rahminism” to ” Brahminism ” in heading dated 17th May.Thanks.
gowri shanker vel said
All dears,
what could be the best conclusion of all these theories. Slowly these topics are getting boosted on blaming others, being sticked to a side. According to Hinduism, Manu has devided the people into four catagories Bramin, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sudhra. Here i found only two catagory supporters are into aurguement. where are the rest two cats., please some how bring them too, let’s view all the stupids(including me) giving their statement . Is’t called integration in diffentiation? some china man making fun out of indian and one indian giving clarification to china man. Look if all you are stupidly intelligent, answer my following questions.
1) Why all the Indic languages are mentioned as if they were been derived from sanskrit? (refer elementory education books of indian schools, exclude tamilnadu) (refer to various historians of the world about proto-dravidian languages and it is easy to find sanskrit has no motherness in dravidian languages)
2) Since the ages, what could you Bramins achieved great with Manu’s caste system? (anything morethan untouchability and ruins?)
3) Do your Dalits agree with Economy based Reservation? (do u beleive all higher caste people are rich and lower castes are poor?)
and to my dear dalit supporter ” don’t use the term that says about the raping, looting etc.,” these terms are used to provoke the aggressiveness in the one who is said to be victim and generally these terms used by terrorists to catch more support. Indus valley civilization moved due to mamooth flood in the river Sind.
I’m not against any cats.,here but i’m against the Manu’s theory of caste itself and all you cats., Study the Facts and Accept them and don’t be stupidly intelligent….right
Manjusha said
Gowri Shankar,
In India you don’t have four castes as claimed by Manu. You have thousands of castes and each of these castes want to be bracketed as Backward and Scheduled to get reservations and other sops from the government. These are highly volatile subjects and people from these castes love to find a common enemy. That is the brahmin. So go on abusing Brahmins. Make up all kinds of stories against them and meanwhile enjoy the reservation and also at the same time blame that you are oppressed. The name of the blog should be ‘Brahmin Bashing Nation’. This blog has nothing to do with oppressed people or anything. Utter idiots.
Mangesh Dahiwale said
The Brahmins are the oppressors. Look at what the caste system has done in Jajjhar and Kahirlanji. In Jajjhar they killed five dalits for skiining a dead cow. For them Cow is holier than Human life. In Khairlanji the upper castes killed a whole family of the Buddhist Dalit Bhootmange. The only reason why they killed them is because they wanted to stand up in soceity and were educated. But the upper caste manuwadis denied them the right to live and they killed them in the most inhuman way possible. The women were paraded naked and raped. Shame on the manuwadis
Santosh Kumar said
Mangesh,
It is indeed reprehensible when we read the atrocities in Jajjhar and Khairlanji. But your post has some factual errors.
Now let us analyze these incidents:
1. You start by blaming Brahmins as the oppressors and quote the two inhuman incidents. In Kherlanji the Bhootmange family was killed by members of Kunbi caste (OBC in Maharashtra). In Jhajjar the Dalits were killed by low caste Jats. Now where are the Brahmins here. These inhuman acts would be inhuman whether commited by any caste. But why single out Brahmins when they are no where involved.
2. The next part is you blame the manusmrithi. Can you establish that these crimes were conducted by people who read Manusmrith and them did it like say the islamic suicide bombers who read Quran and get inspired to bomb. The two crimes were conducted by people who were all illeterate. They probably did not know about manusmrithi at all. I am not telling that Manusmrith is a good book. All I am pointing out is you are simpoly shifting the blame to some other things.
3. Now recently all these Dalit and OBC sites were talking about reservations and they are oppressed. Now looking into these two incidents I wonder how OBCs become oppressed as they are the oppressors. Can you please answer me on this.
4. You are completely off the mark and trying to blame and create caste based hatred against Brahmins by associating unrelated incidents to Brahmins. It reminds us of the anti semetic propoganda against Jews.
gowri shanker vel said
dear manjusha,
well said, let all these people findout themselves “where they stand in the economy”. To the one who’s stomuch is filled, easy to say manythings. Think about the poor and the poorest, none bothers the number and counts even. there are only three catagories now
1)rich
2)middle class and
3)poor
there are sub catagories also in them. like very rich, higher middle class, lower middle class, poorest., etc
who says brahmins , dalits..,? money makes the difference…
C. L . CHUMBER said
GAURI AND SHANKAR WERE NON-VEDIC !!!!!
Dear Gauri Shankar Vel,
Your good self is irrational and use unparliamentary language which is not suited in discussion / dialogue .You call the others “STUPIDS ‘ and “CATS ” .Please refer Gauri Shankar Vel said dated May 19 , 2008 @ 11.15 pm.
Your good self wrote ,” To the one who`s stomach is filled , easy to say manythings . “( ref. G.S. Vel dated 20 May ,2008 @ 4.47 pm.) .There is a clause in the manuwadi constitution Manu-simirity that the king must snatch the money and property of the rich shudra because he may create problems for brahmins.Mr. Gauri Shankar Vel`s this writing reflects this manu thinking which is anti-constitution ! The law enforcing agency may spare him but the TRUE GOD will not spare him.Please remember that you pretended to be anti-caste but you did not denounced varna.
You wrote ,’ don`t use the terms that says about the raping , looting etc.” ( ref May 19,2008 @ 11.15 pm ). Do you or your religion recognise rapist and looting etc. ? Your good self again wrote ,” these terms are used to provoke the aggressiveness in the one who is said to be victim…”
The rape and lootig are unethical acts.Mr.Lal Krishan Advani as deputy PM of
India released statements to hang the rapists till death .Why have soft corner for rapists,racists and fascists so called Gods.
On economic stand ,we demand ( 1 ) nationalise the manuwadis`property .aquired( by manuwadi system 2 ) Impose creamy layer clause for all govts./semi-govts.jobs.( 3 ) Impose ban on brahmins for ever in govt./semi-govt. jobs as ( ! ) They claim to be meritorious and can compete in pvt, sector ( 2 ) they are more than the percentage of their population.( brahmins floated ‘ Remove Reservation – Jago Party ‘ .India Today weekly dated May 19,2008 inserted their advt..visit w.w.w. jago.in email:jagoparty@jago.in).
Mr.Gauri Shankar Vel you wrote ,”generally these terms ( rapist and looting )used by terrorists to catch more support .” ( May 19 ) There was an interview of martyr Neta ji Subash Chander Bose for I.C.S exam.Interviewer said to Subash that he saw a monkey sitting in front of him .Subash ji replied quickly and sharply ,” If I am a mirror then you must have seen the monkey .’
.The same reply is to you for calling me terrorist .You have to write with logic otherwise one day your coming generations will be ashamed to read your writings in support of rapist , racist and fascist so called Gods.
You are vedic but Gauri and Shankar both were not vedic .
C. L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Please read the date of India Today as 26th May 2008 .Sorry. Thanks.
Karthikeyan said
I don’t get why some people here have developed this much hatred towards Brahmins. I’ve listed below some of my knowledge:
1. When Kabir uses the word ‘Pandith’ in his doha, he doesn’t point to Brahmins. Pandith means an educated man, not necessarily Brahmin. Kabir points to folly practiced by the educated people (INCLUDING, but NOT ESPECIALLY Brahmins) and tries to correct them. Kabir isn’t against teachings of Vedas. Kabir himself believes and has written in his dohas about Jeevaathma, Paramaathma etc in his dohas. In one of his dohas, he says “Why should Kabir worry? What is the use of worrying? ‘Hari’ is there to worry about me. So I don’t have to worry about anything.” (Kabira chintha kya karai, chintha se kya hoi. Meri chintha Hari karai, chintha mohi na koi.). Here ‘Hari’ means Lord Maha Vishnu.
PS: I searched and searched but did not get a doha where he says ass is better than brahmin. Can somebody link to it?
2. Manu talks only about marriage, not rape. And doesn’t order any body to punish any body in any cruel way. (Ref: http://www.bharatadesam.com/spiritual/manu_smriti/manu_smriti_3.php)
3. Maha Vishnu is God and his every act is devine and holy. We should understand his Krishna Raasa Leela as the demonstration of his omnipresense. Also, Maha Vishnu doesn’t rape Vrunda. He creates an illusion of Jalandhar (Vrunda’s husband) and Vrunda hugs the illusion thinking it her husband. This was done for the good of world. (Ref: http://www.swaminarayansatsang.com/library/articles/articledetails.asp?Articleid=20)
What is the meaning in calling ourselves learned when we do not have the patience to heed to and learn from sacret texts of a religion? What is the meaning calling ourselves rational and tolerant when we have no hesitation to speak ill of God, no matter which religion’s God? Lets think.
Gowri shanker vel said
Dear Chumber,
thanks for the suggestions. I hope you didn’t get the highlight of the aurguement, which i meant to convey. In basic i’m a communist, my visions are clear and it may not suit this blog.
Your words are wonderful “If a person expresses his/her views freely,frankly & logically,everyone should welcome & encourage him/her”.
regards,
Gowri shanker vel
C,L.CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMIN ISTHE WORLD`S GURU,GURU OF THE RIGHTEOUS HE`SNOT,
ENTANGLED IN THE TANGLE OF THE FOUR VEDAS HE IS DEAD-LOST !!!!!
– ADI-GURU KABIR(page 45) as refered already in this blog.
Dear Karthikeyan ji,
I had replied your 1st writing on 27th instant in another column where you wrote .You asked the viewers the link where Adi-Guru Kabir wrote that an ass is better than a brahmin.Where did your good self search ? Please read the dalit-nation blog,you will find the reply .Please be clear hearted to solve the problems.
Next you wrote that Adi-Guru Kabir did not pointed to the Brahmins .Please read the complete Kabir vani which is deadly against the Brahmins,Vedas and their rapist,racist and fascist so called Gods.You had read his couplet above this writing..OK.( ISBN:81-208-1799-0-Paper back)
You sided with a racist and fascist Manu.Please read the website which you suggested me reg.manu-smirity.
Mr Karthikeyan ! Vishnu was neither a divine nor a holy God as claimed by you.He may be the God of rapist,racist and fascist followers.You confessed that Vishnu raped Varinda for good of the world.What kind of goodness ? Then why did Varinda curse Vishnu ?If you defend a rapistVishnu who killed Varinda`s husband JALANDHAR by deceptible means,Then why you are burning the effigies of Ravna,Meghnad and Kumbhkaran ? Did they raped ? I dare to declare your good self`s mentallity as rapist,racist and fascist and the govt.law enforcing agencies must take legal course of action against you and your like minded people..
Mr.Kathikeyan ! the books you quote as sacred are the Aryans`”secret books of war” against the Indian aboriginals .That is why Dr Ambawdekar ( whose name a brahmin teacher changed as Ambedkar ) burnt the Manu-smirity on 27th Dec.1927 at the Kranti Bhoomi ,Mahad ( Maharashtra ) publically.I visited the Kranti Bhoomi with my family and appreciated the daring step of Dr.Ambawdekar and his comrades.He also wrote to dynamite the Vedas.In Punjab,Prof.Ditt Ram Gyani @ Prof.Ditt Singh Gyani (1850-1901 AD) an untouchable defeated in dialogue Swami Daya Nand a revivalist of the Vedas .Prof.Singh wrote four dozens books incl.” My dialogue with Sadhu Daya Nand” & ” Satyrth Parkash-Refuted”.
I challenge my people to burn Vedas,Purans on 27th Dec.every year and every where in the universe to pay the tributes to Dr.Ambawdekar and his comrades.Please beware of dome rapist,racist and fascist Gods as well as their followers who are anti-constituation.Thanks.
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
I agree that there are so many respectable poets who have used words such as don’t read Vedas, reading Vedas is useless etc. But we should not take it literally. If we carefully and thoughtfully read them, we will get the following meaning only: “What is the use of reading Vedas if you are not going to follow it? It is better not to read it and follow your own intuition.”
“Entangled In The Tangle Of The Four Vedas He Is Dead-Lost” means some Brahmins are just reciting the hymns without realising their true meanings and wasting time. This is told strictly in the interest that Brahmins should do their duties correctly.
I have seen many educated people burning their own subject text books because they were not able to understand the text and were forced to swallow them!! Some sort of this thing should only have happened with Shree Ambawdekar Ji.
We don’t burn Ravana’s effigy as a mark of protest. Ramayana clearly says that Ravana had tortured Holy Sita Devi by means of words for twelve years. Meantime he had exploited resources of all the worlds, including Heaven, and had enslaved so many. Righteous King Rama gives mighty Ravana chances before the war, which he declined. It is Kshatriya dharma only to punish wrong doers, which Rama did. We, as part of celebrating this ‘Victory of Dharma over adharma’, replay the scene of Ramayana war in our cultural dances. Just to display how adharma becomes ashes in the hands of Righteous Lord Rama.
Vishnu too, read my previous comment again, does NOT rape Vrinda. Jalandhar was killed using the only means available. If not, Jalandhar would have spoilt the course of creation. His end was fixed because he tried to capture Maha Shakthi Parvathi. Curses from mere mortals as humans like us come in impulse. Such thing only happened in case of Vrindha. But devine acts are well thought over by Gods. In many instances Lord Maha Vishnu has been cursed by his devotees e.g. Devarshi Naradh, King Baali etc.
Winning an argument is different, leading a life is different. Even worlds chess grand master was defeated by a mere man made computer. This doesn’t defame the grand master. Vedas, Smriti’s are to be learned after surrendering oneself to a Guru. Just reading publications won’t do. Ambawdekar Ji and his followers, atleast in this regard, had no idea what they were doing.
All these is attack on Brahmins, who mean no harm or hatred.
sunil said
dont waste urs time . forget everything about past. sstudy, workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.
C,L.CHUMBER said
LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.
(3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
(4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
(5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
(6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
(7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
( 8) The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
publically as the bramins of Japan did.Thanks.
C,L.CHUMBER said
SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILISATION !!!!!
Respected viewers,
With the kind permission of the dalit-nation ,I suggest some websites :-
(1) http://www.mahenjodaro.net ( 2 ) http://www.imagesofasia.com ( 213 images of the valley ) ( 3 ) http://www.harappa.com ( 4 ) http://asi.nic.in ( 5 ) http://www.ignca.gov.in . You may also get help from Google/Yahoo..Thanks.
C,L.CHUMBER said
CHUMBER-SMIRITY VERSUS MANU-SMIRITY !!!!!
Dear Karthikeyan,
Your good self is defending Vedas and Manu-smirity which shows that India needs judicious minds to solve the Indian problems. I will publish a book named ” CHUMBER-SMIRITY ” in which I will not write any word except to change the gradation and degradation as SHUDRA ,VAISH,KSHATTARY AND BRAHMIN !!!!! Then the so called liberal brahmins will burn the ” CHUMBER-SIMIRTY ” and the non-brahmins will burn the Manu -Simirity !!!!! Only the bearer knows where the shoe pinches.Mr.Karlyle wrote,” A nation that does not worship her heroes and greate leaders soon comes to grief .” A NATION THAT WORSHIP DOME RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST SO CALLED GODS CAN NOT BE A SELF RESPECTFUL AND ETHICALLY ADVANCED NATION ,
Karthikeyan said
Correct Chumber Ji, India needs judicious minds. But does that judicious mean abandoning and destroying everything that is from scriptures? It is not our country’s policy to recommend to its citizens which God to worship. Ours is secular country.
C,L.CHUMBER said
SCRIPTURES DON`T PREACH VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM ,
INDIAN CONSTITUTION BANNED VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!
Dear Karthykean ,
We will not abandon and destroy your scriptures. We will publish your scriptures on newspaper and we will distribute these so called scriptures among the poor shudar masses .The constitution do not recognises the rapists,racists and fascists .The law of the land is against the rapism,racism and fascism. Our country is secular but do not recognises a religion of rapists,racists and fascists as Gods.DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?
Adiyaman Neduman Anchi said
VT Rajeshekar, you know why you’re a dalit?
Because you’re a dumb nigger who isn’t aware of the basic chronology of Indian history. Arthashastra comes a thousand or more years after the Aryan “invasion”.
Yea, now go clean a toilet.
Yours sincerely,
Adiyaman Neduman Anchi
Karthikeyan said
Well Chumber Ji, are you saying Hinduism is not a government recognised religion and Brahmin is not a recognised caste? So you plan to distribute our scriptures. Well thats great! So long as you distribute them as is, without any modification or inclusion of your fiction work, no problem. But if you do, still we don’t have problem, world will know the truth. Well you are already doing it through this blog, and many are doing it already everywhere. People do pursue some good aim to make their life meaningful. Some choose pointless activities such as self sabotage, drug addiction, and some even become terrorists! Your pursuit too seems such childish only, to spoil and defame some good system.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY NOT BRAHMINS CLEAN TOILETS ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Adiyaman Neduman Anchi said( June9,2008 @ 11:44am )as below :
VT Rajeshekar, you know why you’re a dalit? Because you’re a dumb nigger who isn’t aware of the basic chronology of Indian history. Arthashastra comes a thousand or more years after the Aryan “invasion”.Yea, now go clean a toilet.
Yours sincerely,
Adiyaman Neduman Anchi ”
When I was a Tehsil Welfare Officer , I had late Mr.Diwan Chand Cheeda govt.employee ( librarian) friend in the directorate of the Punjab Irrigation Deptt.at Amritsar.His mother even being a widow and toilet-cleaner educated his only son .His daughter -in -law was also a govt.teacher in 1976 AD.I used to met that ideal mother because my mother was also a widow. I was married in the same town coincidently.One day I went to my friend with my newly wed wife.When they served tea and sat together,my wife told me that she would not eat from that house because the old lady used to clean our toilets.I told my wife that all mothers do the same.Everyone from the Rashtarpati to a lay person cleans ones buttocks every day.All of us are chuhras .All of us are chamars made of leather.We took meal also.
Are dalits dumbs and niggers ? The brahmin wives of some dalits never say like this.If a person does not know the chronology of Indian history,then why he/she asked go to clean toilets.The cleanliness is next to the TRUE GOD.The brahmins can not do this meritorious job.The govt.must reserve 50% jobs of sweepers for the brahmins so that their merit may be judged ! Thanks.
Ajay said
This is actually wrong use of a sur-name…
for your very kind information-
Cheeda is not a dalit surname
infact it has nothing to do with ‘Aryans’
Cheeda the word is Persian and comes into Indian subcontinent with Akbar and His warrior dynasty.
Its a fact that many people from mughal dynasty are now very poor in 21st century so they had to be involved in such activities coz of lack of education and poverty.even Akbar couldn’t read his very spoken Persian language..so with tide of time and cunning Indian politics,many once warriors and proud ppl have been pushed backwards to low socio-economic strata. Even OBC’S have few good castes/surnames in the list.
So if you don’t know anything about ‘cheeda’ ,kindly refrain from using this name.
For your sources- you can find the surname in Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha’s SHABADKOSH of Guru Granth Singh Sahib.
Thanks
so ‘cheeda’s are not dalits basically,they are not related to ‘aryan’ and have definitely nothing to do with dravidians
C,L.CHUMBER said
THERE ARE NO BIGGER TERRORISTS THAN BRAHMINS !!!!!
Dear Karthikean ,
Your good self wrote ( June 9, 2008 @ 4:47 pm) as below : –
” People do pursue some good aim to make their life meaningful. Some choose pointless activities such as self sabotage, drug addiction, and some even become terrorists! Your pursuit too seems such childish only, to spoil and defame some good system.”
You directly and indirectly branded me as anti social element .You blamed that I am spoiling and defaming good system.Is varna/caste system good system ? The brahmins invented and implemented these systems on us.They are socio-religious terrorists who made the life of the SCs/STs/OBCs a hell .
Human said
Friend,
in the main post third line is “But out historians don’t even talk about this” .I got a doubt how did the hell the writer find that…
We believe that history only after hearing from historian..here this writer says a story and says that historian nevers talks about it…
Finally now i understand is The bhramins mentioned by this writer are ‘muslims from Arabia’ and Dalits mentioned here includes ‘Bhramana,Shatryia,Vayshiya,shudras’.
the untrue thing is we indians were the creators of greatest civilisations not muslims…they were also hindus once but was converted just before 1500 years ago…
Come indians lets unite together to eradicate the caste descrimination completly
This is only possible if we make poeple forget about which caste they belong to not by speaking again ad again …infact this will create more confusions within the nation.
Karthikeyan said
Not at all Chumber Ji, I’m not blaming you. If at all I had given such impression, I apologise. Atleast I’m not blaming you as antisocial. But you are definitely angry. You are definitely against something, so you are anti-something. Why don’t you yourself tell what you are? Or is it Pro-someotherthing, rather than anti-something? I’m for doing one’s duty righteously for either profit, welfare or entertainment. I’m Pro-dharma. Or atleast trying to be one, if you won’t approve me.
Varna system is not an enforced system, and there is no favour game in it. It is just categorisation of people.
Those who do services to mankind and labour are called Shudras. Those who do trade, commerce, agriculture, farming, cattle rearing and business of profit are called Vaishyas. Those who serve the armed forces, military and others pursuing security services and protection forces are categorised Kshatriyas. Those who teach, preach, advice and give consultation services are called Brahmins.
Obviously, one cannot exist without the other three. Which among the four is the superior is often a matter of debate, but talking about it is fruitless. However the debate will tell us how important the other three are for each of the Varnas. It is apparent that there is no clear cut sharp border separating the four. To a considerable extent, all the four overlap with the other three. This is very true and undisputable atleast in the modern context. In olden days, due to the trend of passing one’s post to the heir, there was apparent distinction among the four.
In the course of time some undesirable events might have happened. But the scriptures are not to be blamed for that. Neither all belonging to a group should be blamed too. Manusmriti teaches code of conduct and recommends the life style of each of the four Varnas.
Now relax, and read the ALL CAPS title of your comment. Are teachers, preachers, advisors and consultants the biggest terrorists?
I don’t have to catch anybody’s eyes with such ALL CAPS, bold text or highlighting tricks. As I had said before, I’ll give my knowledge only to those who treat me and my ideals with respect. So I wouldn’t attract undue attention to my ideas. My comments will automatically reach those people who really matter. All my intentions and pursuits will come true automatically and effortlessly.
hh said
Chumber-ji,
Each time i go to my house in chennai i sweep the street right unto the street- end bcoz the corporation ppl do not do a good job. Nobody wishes that anyone suffers the unhygenic conditions of life and cleaning toilets…..i am a dalit, brahmin, kshatriya, shudra, vaishya, man, woman, child, old, hindu, muslim, christian, zorashtrian, sikh, buddhist, taoist, jain, atheist, theist, human, ape, fish, tortise, plant, fruit, love, life, laughter, …..
I am the new casteless, nameless varna. Please go ahead and name me.
Vijayaraj said
I Agree with you Karthikeyan…
To C,L Chumber:
Sir,
If the real varna system is still being followed then YOU would be called as a Brahmin…As a reply by ‘Human'( “171”) in Aishwarya’s post.caste system was interchangeable in earlier centuries,only from few centuries back confusions in caste syste aroused.
everyone in Bharat were rich enough because of their self-content in nature and There was nobody called low caste people ,when right varna system was there.Sudra doesnt mean low caste people,it was same as another 3/4 th of people in social status.
Kannappa nayanar is a good example of a sudra changed as Brahmin..
Parasurama is an example of a Brahmin changed as Shatriya..
the ultimate problem in the society is misinterpretaion of caste system.this was mainly because Bharat was slaved for more than 800 years by barbaric forigners( Arabs & British) who really seems has no way of understanding what is caste system is…
Finally as a conclusion I totally agree with your anger that due to misinterpretation of varna system the great Sudra families are greatly affected but this has to be totally eliminated from the society.
I have seen your post that Brahmins did this,did that
you give importance the caste of the people who did/say something rather than what is being done/said.just think who is creating fanatism here…
Come let us join hands to eradicate caste discrimination as much as possible instead of talking and beating around the bush whole day…Nothing will happen.only hatred among the people will grow.
Mahatma was a brahmin,Subramanya bharathi was a brahmin,Raja ram mohanroy was a shatriya,Sri Kesava baliram hedgewarji was a Brahmin,Vivekanda was shatriya’s family …All these people were creating awareness that there should be no caste discrimination among the people .all are same.
Do you really have a heart to say these people are fanatics…
Dont always look things Bramins/Non brahmin perspective have more Broader view about people…come out your illusion look the real world…
Biologist said
Mahatama was not Brahmin but Vaishya
h said
guess everyone could take a leaf out of what those social groups like rotary club do — organize cleanliness drives — so everyone becomes so-called ‘dalits’.
there are quite a few educated ppl who picked up the broom out of sheer frustration.
but in certain places one cannot even think of it….one wud end up with some dreadful disease.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. VIJAYARAJA DARED TO CALL TO ELIMINATE THE VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
Dear Vijyaraj ji,
You are welcome to this e-discussion.Your goodself wrote(June 12, 2008 @ 3:01 pm) as below:-
” Finally as a conclusion I totally agree with your anger that due to misinterpretation of varna system the great Sudra families are greatly affected but this has to be totally eliminated from the society.”
I am on tour of the Maharashtra state for literary research.To-day I am at Kolhapur for research on revolutionary Chhatarpati Shahu ji Maharaj who first ever in India implemented the reservation in govt. jobs in his Kolhapur state on 1st July,1901.His Brahmin cook used to treat him as an untouchable ! He helped an untouchable late Mr.Ganga Ram Kamble to open an hotel which is now known as the AWANTI LODGE in front of the Kolhapur Mpl. Corporation premises.The Maharaja used to take tea daily in the untouchable`s hotel to anihilate the untouchability as well as caste/varna system created by the barbric Aryan Brahmins.Once the BSP`s official vernacular at Nagpur published a very informative spl.issue on Shahu ji Maharaj.In that issue ,there was a Shahu ji`s speech.In that speech Shahu ji told the people that the Brahmins of Japan disclaimed of their supiriority and appeald all to discard the superiorty/inferiority complex to work for the upliftment of the humanity.That is why Japan is a world power and India is under development !
Mr. Vijayaraja ! this is good that you talk of elimination of varna system.This is in the interest of the present Brahmins ,otherwise the NON-BRAHMIN sufferers of this gutter system will finish the brahmins as well as the Brahmins !!!!!
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, ok now you have another brahmin accused in your list! That makes no difference because you have taken a stand to accuse everything connected to Hinduism and Hindu people. You claim to seek equality among people. Then shouldn’t you be seeing a man with cross belt and a man in lunki as same irrespective of whom they worship and what language they speak? But you are doing the opposite.
All those in your accuseds list are gone. They will never return. So whom do you want to punish? No system will end just because you don’t like it. Even I’m not happy about your accusations on todays Brahmins. So are you going to stop it? No way! Even if you threaten and terrorise Brahmins that Non Brahmins will finish Brahmins off!
Vijayaraj Ji, I agree with you on everything you said except one thing. It is not the “misinterpretation” of Varna system which made people suffer, but it is “misrepresentation” of Varna system’s teachings by foreigners and anti-Indians. Just like Chumber Ji “misrepresented” your words. You said “misinterpretation of Varna system” should be totally eliminated. But Chumber Ji changed it to “Varna system” should be eliminated!
C,L.CHUMBER said
TODAY`S KARTHIKEYAN IS GANESH !!!!
Dear Karthikeyan ,
You are really Ganesh in Hindu spirit .You cleverly defends rapists,racists and fascists Gods as well as varna / caste system which are useless in the civilised society .You accused me (June 21, 2008 @ 3:31 am) ,” Even I’m not happy about your accusations on todays Brahmins. So are you going to stop it? No way! Even if you threaten and terrorise Brahmins that Non Brahmins will finish Brahmins off! ”
Mr.Karthikeyan , your today`s brahmins are ponga pandits who worship and glorify the rapists,racists and fascists as Gods like brahmins of ancient times ! They abuse the dalit-nation and dalits .I have not abused anyone.I always say you all ” dear,your good self ” with due respect .In service
I did not obey the illegal orders of my seniors,director and even ministers .I sacrificed my Tehsil Welfare Officer job at the age of 21 years when I was the only bread winner of 8 members family .Are you threatening me to stop writing on rational , legal and humanistic issues ?.This disease is omnipresent .I said that if your” today`s Brahmins” will not rectify the misdeeds of their forefathers then ” the today`s non-brahmins ” will retaliate democratically .THE ” TODAY`S BRAHMINS ” FINISHED SAHIB KANSHI RAM WITH THE HELP OF CORRUPT MANUWADI JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF DELHI HIGH COURT WHO FIXED BSc. PASS SAHIB KANSHI RAM`s THUMB ON HIS SO CALLED STATEMENT IN JULY 2004 .
Dear Karthikeyan ji I am writing neither to please nor to annoy any body .I have no respect for rapists,racists and fascists as well as their mindless followers/friends.It is my foremost duty to enlighten the masses which I am doing without fail.Thanks.
Karthikeyan said
Thanks Chumber Ji, I always delight when I get praise from elders like you. I also admit you had been kind in your speech to others. I’ve have already mentioned this and and also asked others not to be unkind. As far as I know, I too had been courteous and respectful in my expression.
And in your recent reply too, you haven’t told anything new.. again repeated the same abuses against God. Just increasing the search engine page rank for such abusive words.
C,L.CHUMBER said
KARTHIKEYAN ! ARE YOU MANUWADI ?
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.Karthikeyan said ( July 10, 2008 @ 5:13 pm ) ,” And in your recent reply too, you haven’t told anything new.. again repeated the same abuses against God. Just increasing the search engine page rank for such abusive words.” I had not abused anyone.I wrote ,” Dear Karthikeyan ji I am writing neither to please nor to annoy any body .I have no respect for rapists,racists and fascists as well as their mindless followers/friends.It is my foremost duty to enlighten the masses which I am doing without fail.Thanks.”
You blamed that I had not told anything new. I told new ,” THE ” TODAY`S BRAHMINS ” FINISHED SAHIB KANSHI RAM WITH THE HELP OF CORRUPT MANUWADI JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF DELHI HIGH COURT WHO FIXED BSc. PASS SAHIB KANSHI RAM`s THUMB ON HIS SO CALLED STATEMENT IN JULY 2004 .” But you follow Manu-simirity :-
” On killing a cat ,an ichneumon, a daw ,or a frog ,a dog , a lizard, an owl,or a crow , he should practise the observance ( ordained for ) killing a Shudra .Page 343 Alas you have not a kind heart .
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji, So you don’t treat the words “rapists, racists and fascists” as abusive? Strange. I think they are abusive.
Alright, coming to your excerpt from Manusmriti:
” On killing a cat ,an ichneumon, a daw ,or a frog ,a dog , a lizard, an owl,or a crow , he should practise the observance ( ordained for ) killing a Shudra.”
Did you interpret in this way? “One should kill a Shudra if he kills one of the above animals.”. If so, that is wrong. Its meaning is: “Killing these animals is equalent to killing a Shudra (and so one should observe penalty for that)”.
And Shudra doesn’t mean anything small. Shudra means “service people”. So the above animals are like “service people” (Shudras). Is Manusmriti which treats animals with respect and which protects animals unkind?
Or am I? Now I’ll earnestly wait for your approval that I had ofcourse been kind in my dealings.
Am I a Manuwadi? No. I’m an Indian national. I’m telling you the good things in Manusmriti because you found fault with Manusmriti. Find fault with any other scripture, I’ll defend them too. Even if it were scriptures of other religions. So will you call me I’m a Christian or Muslim? I don’t have to be among those to support their views. The brain and consience is enought. And I think I have both. My point is that religions are found for organised social living. Calling one religion superior to other is pointless. This is purpose driven approach.
I repeat, I’m waiting for your approval that I had always been kind in my dealings.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WORSHIPERS OF RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN BEINGS
Dear Karthikeyan ji ,
Please do not mind . the way you defend the rapists,racists and fascists is very very shameful .Do you know that the whole world do not honour them .And I do not respect you and I hate your parents and teachers who did not make your mind to hate the evils.A person asked a Japanese Buddhist boy that what he will do if Mahatma Buddha attack your country . The boy said that he would kill the Buddha .And I ask your good self the question that what you would do if your rapists,racists and fascists Gods came to your home . Will you expect your family ladies will worship the rapist Vishanu,Indir and Brahma .
I am fed up with your discussion and I decided to issue a CD of our discussion so that the people may know that not even a single Brahmin dared to discard his rapist,racist and fascist Gods in a 3 months discussion.This shows the mentle level of the Brahmins .We have a Brahmin intellectual Dr.Surender Ajnat Sharma and his wife Mrs Soma Sablok who are retional .We salute them and hate you.I will never take notice of your irrational writings ! Thanks
C,L.CHUMBER said
PERIYAR SAID BRAHMINS ARE LIKE SNAKES !!!!!
Dear Adminstrators ,
I read again again your article ‘Brahmins Destroyed the Indus Valley Civilisation ‘ .This is shortest and very touching as you had seen the barbric Brahmins destroying it .We have sympathy for the martyres of the Indus Valley Civilsation and for those theirs heirs who are still living the life of worst than slaves.I reproduce your good self`s views which suggests us the solution :-.
” This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization.”
I have also read a book on Adi-vasis in which they said that if you saw a Brahmin and a snake together first kill the Brahmin .I am of the opinion that we must fearlessilly attack on theirs Gods`misdeeds to demoralise and expose them even at internationally by literature.
I again assure you to continue moral and active support .We are marching towards rebuilding Indus Valley Civilsation culture based on equality ,quality,equity , liberty and justice ! OUR ULTIMATE AIM IS TO RULE INDIA TO ESTABLISH THE BE-GAM PURA .THANKS.
Krishna said
Who will watch your CD?
You are making a political career out of hatered. Only your politician friends will watch it.
Why should i denounce my Gods?
My Gods show me my life, my reality and the choices i have.
They show every emotion that i can be capable of.
I can fall from the highest loka to the netherworld OR i can raise myself up from the abyss all the way to moksha.
I can be a hypocrite OR i can try not to be one for a lesson to learn in one birth.
I can lust after an another man’s wife and then be shown that she is my mother who can turn me into a child back again.
My Gods are neither rapists, racists nor fascists.
They are my emotions and my choices.
They show me the path from ignorance to light.
For the lessons they teach, I will rever them. They are my beloved Gods.
Karthikeyan said
Oh God.. All my hopes got shattered.. Now the only remaining hopes is on rational doctor Surendar Ajnat Sharma Ji and Shrimathi Soma Ji (Given that you won’t listen to my words hereafter). I look for their rational judgement on my stand. I don’t know if they are even reading my comments or know about the discussion. But, hope they’ll reply here somehow.
Ok, now how does this sound: “The way you abuse your fellow Brahmins and Hindu Gods is very shameful”. The whole world does not honour only those who pointlessly display hatred. The whole world respects my parents for having got a meritorious son like me and my teachers had always been happy and proud about my character (if not performance).
I too honour the Japanese kid way, fight even God for your country. That is what Ravana did, he fought Lord Hanuman, who is the avathar of Lord Shiva of whom Ravana is a great devotee. To me the important things are friends, family, people, religion and country. The latter in the list, the more important.
The CD idea is great. I have no shame or objection in it. I am only proud of it.
(“You”, “Your” etc in the above comment refer to Chumber Ji)
Naidu said
Chumber-ji,
You keep repeating periyar’s statements. I want to ask you this:
If Periyar was beaten up by north-indians, Why did he choose to unleash his hatered on South Indian brahmins ?
Please show me one single South Indian brahmin who has ever been the physically assaulting type.
Somebody does the crime and the anger is shown on someone else? Paap kisi aur ka aur saza kisi aur ko, what nyay is this?
By now, you might already know: Periyar was the TV. The remote control was firmly in the hands of his colonial masters. If he truly wanted the upliftment of one group, he could very well have done it without attacking an other community. So stop quoting that shameless man.
Karthikeyan said
At last! Chumber Ji has expressed what his ultimate aim is! It is to rule India! Lets congratulate him on his courage to admit truth for the first time.
C,L.CHUMBER said
FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS,RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS AND THEIRS WORSHIPING PLACES MUST BE DEMOLISHED BY THE GOVT.
RESPECTED VIEWERS ,
I returned back from Kanpur ( U.P.) after attending Swami Achhutanand`s 75th death anniversary programme as chief guest on 22nd July,2008 .I also attended delivered speeches in two programmes of Shahid Chander Shekhar Azad`s 102nd birthday at Kanpur .
Mr.Krishna said (July 18, 2008 @ 9:37 am ) ,” My Gods are neither rapists, racists nor fascists.They are my emotions and my choices.” Mr.Krishna should visit the psychiatrist to check his unethical , illegal emotions . One day the worshiping of rapists , racists and fascists will be banned as untouchabality and the worshiping places of the amorals will be converted into humanist Gods .Otherwise these amoral centers will be demolished by law !!!!!
Vijay said
Hi all,
Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and shudras..whats all this non-sense. When you let me to oppress you, I will oppress you. When you fight me against oppression of you, you should have will to stand my power of obstruction or to over throw me from the power of oppression. I was a hindu for a while, I was a christianised muslim when I was a hindu. I was a shudra while I was a brahmin. I was a kshatriya while I was a vaishya. I dont need you to recognise me as you have no wisdom to recognise me. Neither I seek my identity nor I seek your identity. Your existence might not bother me when my existence might not disturb you. Thats philosophy..you dont understand..
well let me speak in your terms. Its world that has evolved and is evolving. You know what is your right. Noone can stop you to being anything. SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit. As an individual everyone knows to survive and succeed. Let me not hear that you are what you are is because of what others are. You are responsible for what you are. So dont seek shelter in system that weakens you saying that you are dalit or some sh… When Arjuna was there, there was an Egalivan. Well dont give your thumb to your master if you want to be in the history. Rather fight your master’s when it is required to fight. Look at yourself, you are not what you are because of what was the history. You are what you are because you let the history influence you. Ambedkar is a good example. He didn’t let the history influence him rather he set a history. So dont try to talk all dalit and other sh..just to cover up what you can’t do…
C,L.CHUMBER said
TO-DAY A CHAMARI RULES THE BIGGEST STATE OF INDIA !!!!! TOMMORROW ANOTHER CHAMAR WILL RULE INDIA TO MAKE INDIA AN IDEAL COUNTRY !!!!!
Australian man said
I watched some news reports about Indian dalit sufferings. Its truelly unbearable to watch it. One story shows a dalit man in Delhi cleaning Human crap of “upper caste” hindus. He was wearing just slippers ! wata cruel way to treat others just becos of their birth right.
If India want to become a competitor to China and become a superpower they need to abolish this practice, not just in laws but in their hearts!
Karthikeyan said
Here I wish to quote what Swami Vivekananda said at the closure of Chicago Sarva Dharma conference. “What we need is Unity. If you think that this unity will come by establishing just one religion, and destroying every other religion, then I’m sorry, that will never happen.” (The exact wordings may be different.)
What Chumber Ji is doing is nothing but terrorising Hindus.
C,L.CHUMBER said
BRAHMA NON-SENSE CREATED BRAHMINS,KSHATRIYAS,VAISHYAS,SHUDRAS
Dear Viewers,
Mr.Vijay said (July 25, 2008 @ 12:04 pm ) : –
1.Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and shudras..whats all this non-sense.
2.SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit.
3.When Arjuna was there, there was an Egalivan. Well dont give your thumb to your master if you want to be in the history. Rather fight your master’s when it is required to fight.
4.You are what you are because you let the history influence you. Ambedkar is a good example. He didn’t let the history influence him rather he set a history. So dont try to talk all dalit and other sh..just to cover up what you can’t do… ”
My reactions are as below : –
( !) Mr.Vijay is a clever person who says varnas are non-sense but he did not dare to blame Brahma who created this non-sense system !
( 2 ) Mr.Vijay is manuwadi when he says that ” SC ST OBC BC all this classes are political bull shit..” He is anti constitution also because these categories are recognised by the Indian constitution .He is also anti-democracy because the constitution was passed by the constituent assembly and he is against the constitutional provisions .A person who is anti-constitution have no legal and ethical right to be an Indian citizen .
( 3 ) Pandit Daronacharya was not Adi-Maha Bhagwan Eklavya`s master / teacher.Pandit Daronacharya did not give him admission in his gurukul / school due to his being shudra .Eklavya did self study .That is why the Indira Gandhi National Open University ( IGNOU ) , New Delhi is publishing a journal ” Eklavya”. Eklavya did not offered his thumb . Is there any education policy ever in the world history / mythology in which a body part of a student is taken away by his / her teacher ? Pandit Daronacharya was a bull shit !
( 4 ) Dr.Ambedkar influenced the history by defeating Mr.M.K.Gandhi at the Round Table Conferences ( 1930-32 AD ) and won a separate identity status for the untouchables ( now SCs ) equal to the Hindus,Sikhs,Muslims and Anglo-Indians in the Communal Award announced on 18th Aug.,1932.But the fast-unto- death of Mr.Gandhi in the Yervada jail,Pune compelled Dr. Ambedkar to sign the Pune Pact on 24th Sept.1932 in which he lost the separate electorate right for SCs awarded by the communal award .Mr.Gandhi played Pandit Daronacharya`s role .Later on Dr.Ambedkar wrote a chapter ” Poona Pact – A Mean Deal ” in his book ” What Congress and Gandhi Have done to the untouchables ? “. He also demanded separate electorate with separate settlements for SCs in his memorandum submitted to the constituent assembly of India but in vain .
We are not demanding anything from any one except exposing the rapist , rapist and fascist Gods . I am sure that he will also denounce these evils and its ancient creators as well as at present preservers .We wait his reaction eagerly .Thanks to all .
Vijay said
Mr Chumber,
You are forgetting a basic point. If there are no indians, then there is no meaning of the consitution of India. The consitution is written by humans and it can never be taken as flawless. It has to be changed when and where needed. If I am not respecting it, it is not my fault, it is the fault of the constitution that has not convinced me to respect it. How many indians do know the consitution and act accordingly? Are these people not Indians? There is no perfect desh in the world. People are trying hard to survive. There are millions of brahmins who are poor and going thru hardships. There are millions of vaishyas unemployed. There are millions of kshatriyas fighting to survive. There are millions of sudra’s having no work to do. There are millions of untouchables whom do not even know that they are being called untouchables. In the name of awareness, they are all being made restless and indians are running away from India for better livelihood. And you are all crying for only dalits… How fair it is? By sayin Dalit, you are creating an inferiority complex in a dalit child…and it is darkening its future..Are you not seeing it? If you want to get rid of all the differences and expecting equality, do not talk about the past and do not create a restlessness in people. Rather treat the people as people and judge them based on what they do, not by what they are and where they come from…
I am talking oneness…you are taking politics..thats the difference..
Vijay said
Australian man said that he witnessed dalit Indian suffering. Thanks for yor concern. He is not suffering..he is working for his son and daughter not to do the same job he does. Surely his son and daughter will be better than him. Thats how an Indian looks at sufferings himself/herself. Look outside India. There is shameful discrimination in the name of skin color black and white.. what do we say about it? What I ask you all is to as human when you look at a human, judge that person based on his/her abilities. Having all preoccupations of all evils, if you approach an individual, you say it to yourself that you have lost the right to be a sensible human.
C,L.CHUMBER said
WHY DO WORSHIPERS OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS HESITATE TO RESPECT THEIRS OWN COUNTRY`S CONSTITUTION ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Viwers ,
Mr.Vijay said ( July 31, 2008 @ 1:31 pm ) ,” If I am not respecting it, it is not my fault, it is the fault of the constitution that has not convinced me to respect it..”
Mr. Vijay `s bent of mind is not judicious that is why he is not respecting the Indian Constitution ! If the constitution is not convincing him then why he became the citizen of India . A citizen of any country in the world is supposed to obey the constitution , otherwise he / she have to left that country or be put behind the bars by the law enforcing agencies of that country ! Please have a judicious mind so that we may solve the socio-economic problems of our sweet country !!!!!
Ankush said
Mr Chumber you act as if you are expert on Indian Constitution. But sad to say you have no clue as to what the constituion speaks about religious freedom. You are just ranting and raving your senile ideas and spouting venom and hatred against Hindus.
It seems to me you are some unemployed frustrated old man who has nothing better to do in life other than posting some abuse in internet blogs.
h said
then the first person to be put behind bars should be the one that makes a career out of caste and caste politics.
my sweet country is a gutter because of you people.
C,L.CHUMBER said
ANKUSH BETE ! I AM NEITHER FRUSTRATED NOR UNEMPLOYED OLD MAN !!!!!
FRUSTRATED PERSONS EITHER COMMIT SUICIDE OR KILL THE OPPONENTS OR LEAVE THE FIELD ( RAN-CHHOD LIKE KRISHNA ) & DO REST AT HOME !!!!!
DEAR VIEWERS ,
Mr Ankush said ( August 4, 2008 @ 6:15 am ) as below : –
( 1 )Mr Chumber you act as if you are expert on Indian Constitution. But sad to say you have no clue as to what the constituion speaks about religious freedom.
MY ANSWER IS : – ALTHOUGH I HAVE VERY BIG LIBRARY , READ 9 DAILY NEWS PAPERS AT HOME , MEET AND DISCUSS DAY TO DAY PROBLEMS WITH LAY PERSONS TO INTELLEGENTIA ,TOURING AT LEAST ONE STATE OF INDIA IN A MONTH FOR MY RESEARCH WORK YET I NEVER CLAIMED THAT I AM EXPERT OF ANY FIELD . I NEVER CLAIMED THE SAME IN THIS E-DIALOGUE .
NO CONSTITUTION AND CIVILIZED SOCIETY IN THE WORLD ALLOW RAPING , RACISM AND FASCISM AND VARNA SYSTEM ! YOU MAY CONSULT YOUR LEGAL ADVISER THAT WORSHIPING , GLORIFYING AND DEFENDING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS COME UNDER RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OR NOT .
( 2 ) You are just ranting and raving your senile ideas and spouting venom and hatred against Hindus.
MY ANSWER IS : – I AM NOT SPOUTING VENOM AND HATRED AGAINST ANY COMMUNITY , RELIGION AND INDIVIDUAL. I AM JUST ALARMING MY SWEET COUNTRY FELLOWS REGARDING THE EVILS OF WORSHIPING RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS AS WELL AS VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM WHICH OUR ELECTED GOVT.DECLARED OUT LAW .MY IDEAS ARE NOT SENILE . ONE DAY YOU CHILDREN WILL FEEL ASHAMED OF YOUR WORSHIPING EVILS AND THEY WILL HONOUR ME IN PUBLIC FUNCTIONS !!!!! MY VIEWS ARE HUMANISTIC . ( 3 ) It seems to me you are some unemployed frustrated old man who has nothing better to do in life other than posting some abuse in internet blogs.
MY ANSWER IS : – ANKUSH BETE ! I AM NEITHER FRUSTRATED NOR UNEMPLOYED OLD MAN !!!!! I AM YOUNG,SMART AND SOBER .YOU CAN MEET ME AS A FRIEND . FRUSTRATED PERSONS EITHER COMMIT SUICIDE OR KILL THE OPPONENTS OR LEAVE THE FIELD ( RAN-CHHOD LIKE KRISHNA ) & DO REST AT HOME !!!!! ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT ANY FEAR !!!!!
Karthikeyan said
“ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT ANY FEAR !!!!!”
except Karthikeyan.
C,L.CHUMBER said
***** ANY UNEMPLOYED OR EMPLOYED ,YOUNG OR OLD PERSON , WOMAN
OR MAN OF ANY CASTE , CREED AND RELIGION CAN PARTICIPATE WITHOUT
ANY FEAR !!!!!”
***** NO ONE IS BANNED AND NO BODY CAN BAN TO ANY BODY TO
EXPRESS HIS / HER RATIONAL VIEWS BECAUSE THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT
OF EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN .
***** NO ONE IS BOUND TO REPLY TO ANY ONE .
C,L.CHUMBER said
HAVE THEY( HINDUS )CARRIED ON A CRUSADE IN FAVOUR OF INTER-DINNING
AND INTERCASTE MARRIAGES ? -DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR
AND,IF THEY ARE SINCERE IN HOLDING THAT IT IS A SOCIAL QUESTION , WHAT PROOF IS THERE OF THEIR SINCERITY IN THIS MATTER ? HAVE CONGRESSMEN ( HINDUS ) SPONSORED SOCIAL REFORM AMONG HINDUS ? HAVE THEY( HINDUS )CARRIED ON A CRUSADE IN FAVOUR OF INTER-DINNING AND INTERCASTE MARRIAGES ? WHAT IS THE RECORD OF CONGRESSMEN ( HINDUS ) IN THE FIELD OF SOCIAL REFORM ?
mesquiteice said
chumber ji,
is congress a hindu outfit? i didnt know.
can you explain
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHEN DR.AMBAWDEKAR WROTE THIS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ” IN 1945 AD , THE CONGRESS WAS A PURELY SHOW OF BRAHMINS AND BANIAS .THE CONGRESS LEADER MR.GANDHI OPPOSED THE DEMANDS OF THE UNTOUCHABLES WITH TOOTH AND NAILS AT THE TREE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES 1930-1932 A.D.AT LONDON .THE BRITISH GOVT.ANNOUNCED THE COMMUNAL AWARD ON 17TH AUGUST,1932 IN WHICH THE UNTOUCHABLES ( SCs ) WERE RECOGNIZED AS SEPARATE ELEMENT LIKE THE HINDUS , MUSLIMS , SIKHS AND ANGLO-INDIANS .MR.MANUWADI GANDHI TOOK FAST-UNTO-DEATH IN THE YERVADA PRISON,PUNE AGAINST ONLY THE UNTOUCHABLES`RIGHTS IN THE COMMUNAL AWARD .THAT IS WHY MR.GANDHI AND HIS CONGRESS WERE COMMUNAL HINDUS AGAINST THE POOR,INNOCENT AND HELPLESS UNTOUCHABLES .THIS IS A MASTER PIECE BOOK OF DR.AMBAWDEKAR WHICH EVERY ONE MUST READ TO UNDERSTAND THE UNTOUCHABLES`PROBLEMS,THEIRS DEMANDS AND STRATEGY TO FIGHT WITH THE COMMUNAL HINDUS .THE EDUCATION DEPTT.OF MAHARASHTRA GOVT.PUBLISHED THIS BOOK AS VOL.9 .
IN THIS BOOK DR.AMBAWDEKAR QUOTED MR .THUCYDIDES` QUOTATION ON FRONT PAGE ,” IT MAY BE YOUR INTEREST TO BE OUR MASTERS , BUT HOW CAN BE OURS TO BE YOUR SLAVES ? ” THE CONGRESS AND BJP ARE TWO SIDES OF A MANUWADI POLITICAL COIN , THAT IS WHY AN RSS THINKER MR.MADHAV WROTE TO UNITE CONGRESS AND BJP AND RULE INDIA.. SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM ALSO SAID IN A RALLY AT CHANDIGARH ON 7TH APRIL,1987 THAT OUR OPPONENTS WILL UNITE AGAINST US OPENLY WHENEVER WE WILL BE STRONG ENOUGH !!!! WHAT ARE NDA OR UPA ALLIANCES ?
mesquiteice said
chumberji, thanks for the info
Issac the Jew said
DAMN RAPIST FASCIST AND RACIST CHUMBER IS AN ARSEHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. LONG LIVE THE JEWS!
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM TO THE JEWS FROM ME ? ACTUALLY MR>HAPPY HINDU IS USING THIS NAME WHO IS THE WORSHIPPER OF RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!
mahesh said
The word ‘brahmin’ is very loose word. It is mix match bag of people, which was strictly self seggregated, but if we go back, many of us were part of it. If we believe our ancestors, before varnas, in vedic tribe era, we are great people and we should cherish it.
DID U KNOW: (follow these ‘do u know’ questions and read description, it will change your understaning about hinduism)
1. Do u know, there was no Temples in Vedic period and it was copied from Budha. Budha didnot like castism and Vedic ritual and so he created his own religion and Brahmins didn’t like him at all, yet when budha died, Brahmins said, that Budha is incarnation of Lord Vishnu?
2. Do u know, Tirupati statue and Panduranga statue are Budha statues?but brahmins changed them into Hindu gods?
3. Do u know why Vedas is not translated in any other indian languages? because 90% of vedic poems are about rituals and meat eating methods and Soma juice (alcohol) and they are meaningless, only 10% is knowledge based vedic slokas.
4. Do u know, we were all, Meat eating in Vedic period, and Vegetarianism came very recently, and it is out of competition with Budhisim/Jainism and brahminism?
5. Do u know, Brahmins were cooks and care takers of Fire(yagna is nothing but celebration of fire and food, but they gave different meaning to it?
6. Do u know, Most of the GODS were non Brahmins like Lord Rama, yet these Gods were inducted into brahminism and those GOds taken away from innocent castes?
7. Do u know, that we Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS by Intellectual slavery and Knowledge monopoly?
8. Do u know, it is all in the ‘Meaning’ that we give to a story or history that makes reality?and so all our history in the past has been changed by giving different meaning?
9. Do u know Lord Parasurama is mass killer and killed his own mother, but he was made God by Brahmins?
10.Do u know, our Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: is Castism which was invented by Brahmins and made everyone to follow strictly so that they can dominate?
11.Abolition of Intellectual Slavery(after our Independence): we prospering by creating Equality now and we are making real progress, that is not seen for centuries in the past?
12.Do u know, Reservation in education is a “pay back” time for our ancestors abuses? Brahmins had more than 100% reservation in the past?
13.Do u know, Eklavya Syndrome — some Hindus continue to suffer even now in some remote villages in India(they can’t use thumb for bow and arrow?
14.Do u know, Castism is worse than Racism (castism hindu hates hindu, racism white hates black)?
15.Do u know, Idol worship started after Budhism? 300-400BC
16.Do u know we practiced “Purusha Medha Yagna” (sacrificing people) but we don’t talk about it.
17.Do u know, Brahmins had “ 100% Educational reservation” for Centuries?(and we need same years for others to develop)
18.Do u know, SOMA juice is the most addictive ‘alcohol’ like drink,used extensively in Vedic period.
19.Do u know, “gotras” are based on Owner ship of cattle in vedic period?
IF u donot know these facts————– read on——- to get profound Knowledge—It will change your LIFE for EVER!!
Brain is like a muscle, the more exercise u do , the stronger it gets.We have not only atrophied our Hindu brains for generations by hating them that the brain has been dis-use atrophy and it takes long time to bring it back to original state. We have given ultimate punishment and no wonder they are poor, illiterate, uneducated, dispirited– and unable to use benefits given to them. If we blame their poverty,illiteracy, uneducation— we are blaming ourselves.
We have to follow, evidence based Facts of life. The conditions in India, like castism, poverty, illiteracy, is the result of our past. Past is the foundation. Altered past doesn’t create Reality we face now. Our current stories about our ‘Past’ is not true, because it doesn’t fit into our reality of Hinduism. If we were great in the past then we should have have created ‘Equality’ and be most prosperous and Developed Country without any Poverty by now, more rich than USA or any western country and we should have been most educated and most healthy and most Literate? but we are not??? This is the mismatch. If ‘Present’ is the result of ‘Past’ then why mistmatch? It is the manipulation of few Tribes over other tribes, that created this mismatch. Lets get to the TRUTH.
Do u know what is profound Knowledge means? It means : when u have profound knowledge about something, you will have instant powerful understanding and Instantly It will change your LIFE for Ever. Read on …………………
Greatest blunder of our Hinduism is neglecting our own Hindus by telling that it is all maya and u suffer because of your past sins and paying for it now( this is down fall of Hinduism..
Meat eating Vedic Period:Brahmins were part of it!!! ( check below web site and go to Book IV of Rigveda and scroll down to Hymn XVIII and look for 13 stanza.)
http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/index. htm#vedas
Rigveda: Book IV: Hymn: XVIII: 13: ” in deep distress I cooked a dog’s Intestines. Among the Gods I found not one to comfort
Rig Veda : Book IV: Hymn: XXII: 8: ” he finds in lair the buffalo and wild ox when the wise lead him on to vigorous exploit. Indra obtains these two animals either for himself as sacrificial flesh or for his worshippers, who would not object to eat the flesh of wild oxen”
Origin of OUR Brahminism: Are we really Cooks in the Vedic times( like Udipi and Woodlands hotels) The origin of the Brahmins as cooks can be understood only in the context of the Yagna being looked upon as a ritualization of the cooking function. The Yagna is a term we popularly understand as a fire sacrifice involving the offering of grains, clarified butter, sandalwood etc, to a fire . This fire is ignited in a special fireplace called the Kund, which literally means a “Pot”. The Brahmins who were now not only tenderers of the fireplace any longer, but had come to acquire the status of representatives of Gods on earth and secured their share in the surplus by propagating beliefs that those who looked upon their own needs without a thought of the Brahmins were eaters of sin. This was how the practice of Da na was born.
EVERY PROBLEM HAS ITS PAST Every problem has Past > Any problem that any one has first thing u ask is : what happened ? then u tell them about past events of that problem ? Ask any doctor, they will tell you how important is to know past history of a patient to diagnose and treat and plan future management. Old vedic period, there was no Intellectual slavery and Untouchability. Any one with dedication would have become Hindu intellect as mentioned below. It is because of few bunch ill minded people who started discrimination and used ‘Intellectual slavery and Untouchability’ to the extreme and paralysed Hinduism. See below all great Hindus were not brahmins, but reached highest levels by sheer freedom of their intellect and hardwork and dedication.
All the great historical people below were non Brahmins: (see listing below)
Maharshi VALMIKI – Fisherman (initially a highway robber)Composer of Ramayana, Lot of Hindus from Pakistan belong to the so called backward “Balmik’ caste. Maharshi VED VYAS – Son of a fisher woman Matsya Gandha, Composer of Mahabharat which also contains Gita. Maharshi MATANGA – A matang (harijan caste) & Guru of Shabari, Shabari – A Bhil (adivasi tribe), VIDUR- Son of a dasi, Devotee of Krishna, Chief Minister of Hastinapur, Chandragupta Maurya and the Maurya Dyanasty — Maurya originates from Muria, a tribe which used to collect Peacock (Mor) feathers, also goat herders, Khushru Khan – A lower caste Hindu forcibly converted to Islam,ruled Delhi for 4 months,called himself Hindu Pad- paadshah, hastened the decline of Khilji empire, Hemu- Dhansar (weighman in the market), Ruler of Delhi for 1 month. Fought with Akbar and was killed in the 2nd battle of Panipat (Nov.5, 1556)
Most of the MawaLas- Kunbi, Followers of Shivaji Maharaj, including Tanhaji Malusare, Yesaji Kank, Jiva Mahal, MalharRao Holkar – Dhangar (goat herder) the royal Sardar of Marathas, Ahalyabai Holkar – Daugther in Law of Malhar Rao, She built Ghats on Ganga, Yamuna, Narmada, rebuilt temples including the temple complex in Ayodhya, Sant Tukaram- Kunbi caste (Tukaram calls himself a shudra), Sant Rohidas – Chamar(cobbler) also called Raidas, Guru of Mirabai, Sant Namdev- Shimpi or Darji (tailor), his work is included in Guru Granth Saheb, Sant Janabai- Dasi, domestic servent in Sant Namdev’s home, Sant Chokha Mela -Mahar (harijan), Sant Soyarabai- Sant Chokha’s wife (harijan), Sant Goroba- Kumhar (potter), Sant Savata Mali – Mali (gardener), Sant Narahari – Sunar (goldsmith), Sant Sena – Nai (barber).
Like any problem it has ‘start and end’. Past is very important to know and diagnose exactly and to come up with plan of action for solution. The better u understand our past of the problem the easier it is to solve. Some times just making aware of the problem brings solution , as simple as that. So ‘Awareness’ of the problem is vital. Please don’t use Instinct response like young Gulls(bird) open their mouths for food as soon as a beak like shape with a red spot on it appears above the, because this is how the mother gull looks. A piece of wood bearing a red spot will produce the same response. In the past people depended entirely on the trustworthiness of the source of our scriptures that is passing on the learning. Majority of Hindus meet the knowledge of our Hinduism through the prejudiced eyes of the person who is handing on the learning.
3. New Concept called “MAIL Sydrome”: The word ‘MAIL’ is an abbreviation for meaning/association/interpretation/links: Even though, we have great people who are not GODS/ Brahmins, but all those NON BRAHMIN great Saints were inducted into Brahminism and pulled from their respective Caste by changing the meaning/interpretation/association/linking them by saying that they are “Incarnation of GODS” and thus part of Brahmins. It is ‘Interpretation’ we were give to any incident or story. It is ‘Associations’ we were told to make. It is ‘Meanings’ we are given to accept. It is ‘Links’ that were established in our Epic stories and repeated ritually with firmness : that they become our Belief system and over Centuries they become, our Faith. Together they are called ‘MAIL System’where M’letter stands for, Meaning, ‘A’ letter in mail stands for Associations, ‘I’ letter stands for Interpretations, finally letter ‘L’ in word mail stands for links that we make to decorate a lie. So u can give or change “meaning” to a particular experience or incident/story/or Hindu history for that matter : for example : how Bush Linked or associated or gave interpretation to invading Iraq ??? you can give wrong interpretation to any fact and keep repeating it until it becomes a Truth???. That waht happened to ;Hinduism my friends. Wake Up . Stand up. Open Eyes. Widely. See both sides of Coin for the first time. false statement and repeat with with strong faith and fear of punishment if not followed, will eventually leads to established Belief. Now imagine : you select a nasty thing that happened and you want write and document but if u state as it is with true meaning then you lose your entire group domination and Ego and so all the facts of that story are there but it is given completely different interpretation and meaning and linked to God and associated to Heaven and Hell according to your belief and there is punishment and reward for accepting that story. So by using “mail” system they were able to change the history and its direction. It is nicely wrapped in time and protected by those people who manufactured that story.
4. Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS: Did we really commit this Crime: when some say: ” Historical crime has been committed by these Untouchable Brahmins.The enormity of crime is indescribable. The very fact of this crime collapses whole Brahminism and thus Hinduism.The account of peace and happiness is credited when Untouchability and Intellectual slavery is remembered , but debited when it is forgotten. This is self victimizing religious Phenomenon. By definition they became Criminals of History and continue to commit emotional crimes with their criminal mind. This emotional crime has no objective evidence involved. It brings Spiritual blackmailing, which enhances Emotional Terrorism.
5. Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal.
6. Abolition of Intellectual Slavery (about 100 years ago) brought INdia into 21st Century and paving the way for goodness of our Hindus for the first time. Brahmin Tribe is the one who invented this slavery. Intellectual slavery is worst invention human being has ever invented !Most of our hindus have surrendered their intellegencia to the higher caste people in the name of God and they were not allowed to read or write or think!!!
7. Ekalavya tribe :I was surprised to see in Zee TV recently that : ekalavya tribe still exists in India who are so scared of using their thumbs(even now !!) and they have shown people using other fingers during their archery ??.
Ekalavya Syndrome is compelling evidence of Emotional Abuse and
Intellectual Slavery> This century old Emotional Rapism still existing in India !! and one can imagine impact in the lives of our hindus of other Psychological Trauma and its long term consequences.
8. Our bundle of HINDUISM consists of : All our Gods, all 4 Vedas, Upanishads, Mahabharat, Ramayan, all our Traditions, All our Culture, all our Philosophy, understanding, rituals we are proud of and other things you can think of is in it.This bundle we are holding so dearly for many Centuries proudly and lovingly which makes us feel Ego bloated anytime we want has produced following results to all of us as Hindus.
1. Untouchability 2. Castism 3. Intellectual Slavery 4. Illiteracy 5. one Billion People 6. Motherless children 7. disease and deaths 8. discriminations 9. dirt, filth
Only when Intellectual Slavery Abolished —— Hindus Progressed for the last few decades after suffering centuries, most importantly “information revolution”.
Irrespective of our excuses we come up with above points to explain; this bundle should have taken care of. IF we say these 9 points have reasons and it is because of some people doing this and that is not sufficient. Because this Bundle of Hinduism should have taken care of and overcome those hurdles and should have shown Resilience. We only feel self satisfied by giving excuses for the past deeds and continue feed our egos with our past. The above 9 points can never be God given gifts. They are man made. No more tongue twitings verbalogy or explanations to our suffering.
9. Parasurama ?? Lord was in my House and my son noticed his Violence depicted on the picture we are praying on him ( he killed his own mother and kept on killing Kshatriyas a kind of Genocidal Barbarism) I took Parasurma’s photo from my house and as I could not explain and give the same altered and well coated meanigs sayiing” he is God’s Avatar and he can do it and he has purpose to do it” these over decorated meanings are disturbing my mind. I think he was made GOD even though he Massagcred millions almost wiped out Kshatriyas. Brahmins are good at making NonBrahmins( like Lord Rama, Lord Krishna as Gods and induct them into Brahminism by saying that they are avatars of God, infact all these Non Brahmins Gods donot belong to brahmin tribe.
10. Chandayoga : I was told that We were beef eaters and it was well established
facts that chandayoga permitted the same. For centuries we were doing this
pratices in Vedas, including Animal sacrifices. Meat eating stopped only when Gautam Buddha and Jainism competed with Brahmins.??.
12. PurushaMedha Yagna: sacrifycing Humans in the name of God !! please explain what it means and without giving any decorated meanings. I am so disappointed by this ritual and was ashamed when some one said that this practice is equal to Cannibalism.were we so bad and did we really practice. I know Ashwa Medha Yagna. people say we are very good at giving changed, altered, well decorated meanings to our history facts so that it looks and feels good to listen
to and read too but also keeps our Hinduism and our dominanation as Brahmins upbeated. Before u read any further, this Please Please, donot Assume things automatically that this is from a SFI student or Marxist Or communist or Islamic fanatic or CHristian monk or something that can make u feel better and escape from these statements or divert others by saying so. I can never be none other than a Pure Hindu and can never be converted, as I have Genetic imprint on my each and every cell of my Body !! I believe in our HIndus, live as a Hindu and Democratic and die with it !!!!
13. Mass Hypnotism: I could not answer this statement: please shed some light : “Mass hypnotism/mass exploitations of Emotions with highly successful ‘Fear factor’ of Hell and Pain was extensively used and attached for not following their orders in name of GOD and thus Conditioning every Innocent non Brahmin Hindus to castism making a permanent system that continues to propel their superiority” do we have statements or evidence of facts and truth with some proof do deny this ?? Crores of Hindus now take it granted that it is their fate to be born poor or illiterate hoping may be in next birth they will born in another caste or world.
14. 100% Reservation by Brahmins:This statement was mind bongling and dumbfounded and unable to answer to my fellow friends who confronted me with this big Concept: It says:”Brahmins enjoyed > 100% ‘RESERVATION in education:You bloom where planted and the concept of reservation is planted by these people and now it is blooming their backyard. Brahmins enjoyed 100% ( more than 100%) Reservation for centuries ( Educational Monopoly).Now it is time for Kshudras and other non Brahmins to take reservation and go upto 100%. For them there is pot of gold at the end of Rainbow. So I say to these people abandon all hope , ye who enter here and in this book. Poor
people entertain with heart while others indulge in Soma Juicy ( potent drug,famous juice in Vedas) drink which was used by all Aryans in Vedas for centuries as a powerful Drug.
15. Agni-hotras — the prototype of the Brahmin Tribe as of today”Agni-Hotra” Preserver of Fire .Yagna was Orignally the Cooking Process for the Tribe. According to one hypothesis, the origin of the clergy in India goes back to the days when humans learnt to ignite fire through friction. Initially the fire must have been obtained from an already bur ning source like forest fires. In these circumstances, before the days of ignition the task of tending the fire was very crucial. Accidents happen in best regulated tribes like in any race and it was by accident only that word Brahmin was attached to ‘Agni Hotra” Fire was then, as it still is, an object of worship.
16. Soma Juice: Is it true that it was mentioned in the Rig-Veda, much of the Brahman literature is embellished with instructions for the careful performance of new sacrifices, such as the rajasuya, or royal consecration, the vajapeya, a strength-drinking rejuvenation ceremony, and the Chandogya, permit the consumption of meat.
17. Pre Aryan Kshudras It is widely agreed that the Shudra caste of Indian society was largely constituted from the pre-Aryan inhabitants of India who were subjugated by the Aryans. Is this a fact or fiction and do we have proof for it.
18. Thread Ceremony: DO we agree on this historical facts told by my Professor: Upanayana – Thread Ceremony – was a tool by which the Brahmins could preserve their hold over the Kshatriyas . The Upanayana ceremony like any other religious ceremony could be performed only, by the Brahmins. After undergoing Upanayana, the Kshatriyas had to pledge to be protectors of Brahmins and recognize the higher status of the Brahmins in the caste hierarchy. In doing this, the Brahmins had the support of the emotional hold they had over society as a whole by means which they could differentiate between warriors baptised as Kshatriyas and the unbaptised ‘degraded’ Kshatriyas. Gotra – The Common Cowpen These clans which were based on ownership of cattle came to be termed as Gotra which literally means a cowpen. In
this environment rival clans strived to obtain cattle, the principal
sources of wealth, by war when they could not successfully breed it. The
word used to describe a war was Gavishti which literally means ‘to
search for cows Here qualities such as greed and accumulation of wealth in
the form of cattle could thrive.
The root cause of conversions is not poverty, The root cause of conversions is not due to hatredThe root cause of conversions is not due to illiteracyThe root cause of conversions is not due to Christian luring our hindusThe ROOT CAUSE is: We as hindus not respecting our hindus and making every effort to maintain castocratic hierachy.We as Hindus not allowing our own age old Hindus to enter our templesWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to enter perform poojasWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to sit beside usWe as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to be equal psychologically,mentally,spiritually, emotionally.We as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to be have the same self esteem and Self identity.We as hindus not allowing our own age old hindus to get the same respect as we give to our castocratic hindus. I challenge if we follow these steps: conversions will stop automatically, non violently;1. Give kshudras(dalits) back their lost respect2. Give kshudras(dalits)back their lost self identity3. Give kshudras(dalits)back their right to enter temples and do poojas4. Given kshudras(dalits) back Their lost spirituality and closeness to GOD.5. Give kshudras(dalits) their identity, respect,equality they richly deserve.=they are the true dravidians we have left from our past.
Whenever a system or group or organization become sufficiently populated and properly interconnected, the interactions assemble themselves into a new order; for example: proteins into cells, cells into organs, organs of the body into whole organisms and organisms into societies. Simple parts networked together can undergo a metamorphosis.
A single Ant cannot fight off a Wasps, but a few tens of millions of them can perform miracles. Similarly a bacteria multiplying every twenty minutes(single parent bacteria can multiply a billion offspring in a day), gives them awesome power in nature with marathon of mutations and selection. Bacteria are the first to evolve and perfect the self organization as a strategy for survival. As the bacterial self organization matures, the emergent community becomes one thousand times more resistant to antibiotics and toxic chemicals than the individual bacteria on their own!!.
We have to learn from them and tighten our belts and take actions to bring change to our Hinduism and embrace changing world and create equality to all our Hindus psychologically, spiritually, emtionally, mentally. Otherwise we will be left behind. Way behind. First class proteins (meat) we sacrificed for centuries, has left us vulnerable to lowering our mental strength, as u know very well Human evolution leaped ahead when Non vegetarians added accidentally. Skull studies and brain growth clearly supports facts that meat eating promotes brain growth much more rapidly than vegeterain diet.
Learning from BEES:
This concept of self organization of Groups, played profound role in nature that some believe that they are to life what relativity is to physics. A swarming bees is marvel of self organization. Entomologists use videotapes to capture the patterns of messenger bees as they return to the hive and report the sites they have visited and take the form of buzzing consensus. More remarkable is the communal behavior that holds internal hive temperature a near constant 98 degrees Fahrenheit, which is accomplished through a fascinating specialization and coordination. They maintain temperature inside their bee hives remarkably constant by networking and organizing.
In summer, bees diversify their roles. Some continue to collect pollen to maintain the colony’s food supply, others bring water droplets into the hive and deposit them on the brood combs, still others beat their wings near the comb to stimulate evaporative cooling !! and some finally fan the hot exhaust air out the opening side of bee hive.
Strength of group work of Bees:
Been in Winter, seal off crevices, holes and openings with comb material, as cold weather intensifies the bees assemble their body mass around the brood comb to form a insulating layer. Each bee generates 0.1 calorie of heat per minute. Thus a typical hive of 20,000 bees can infuse the brood comb with 2,000 calories a minute, which is comparable to the energy expended by a toaster oven. This is the power of forming a group and acting together!!! Each person is as important as they connect, network in one organization. As a result in winter or summer the brood combs are kept within one degree variation of the optimal temperature!!
We as hindus should work together and give respect that other caste deserves. Let them be part of the every other system we are in. This will thwart other religions influence and there will be no longer conversion.
These properties seen in nature, enable a system or organization to tap its own latent potential to defend, innovate and transform itself.
All things in Universe= living and non living lose energy over time. Steel rusts, if not taken care of it will turn into dust. Living things if not refueled by food or sunlight perish and decay. “ Ashes to ashes, dust to dust” is a poetic way of stating the second law of Thermodynamics. Without variety or change a organization will perish. Failure to change with changing world will result in an inability to cope successfully with variety when it is introduced from an external source. For example fish in a bowl can swim, breed, obtain food with minimal effort and remain safe from predators, but as aquarium owners know such fish are excruciatingly sensitive to the slightest change. But fish in sea have to work much harder to sustain themselves and faced with variety and rapid changes, they can cope with challenges. Lets bring change to our group although we may remain same for short period of time.
Equilibrium is associated with balance is good thing, surely for short period of time. But coping mechanisms that have atrophied because we were same as before or we have not not practiced coping with change mechanisms during long periods of balance equilibrium will bring disaster. This will apply to organization, religion when there is no change usually prove inadequate for the new challenge.
Alfred North Whitehead got it right when he said “ Without adventure (which might define as disequilibrium or variety or accepting change caused by breaks with conventional wisdom), CIVILIZATION is in full Decay”
Prolonged equilibrium or not changing in time as world demands is a precursor of disaster. But remember for short term basis equilibrium and not changing in time and not changing with world is fine but over long periods equilibrium becomes hazardous. Change is must. Change will come. Change is part of nature. We must be ready. Balance our equilibrium and disequilibrium. We have balance between remaining same and changing. Why? Because the environment or nature in which we are living is always changing!!!! At times it is turbulent. If we don’t change and keep prolonged equilibrium then it will dull our senses and saps its ability to arouse ourselves appropriately in the face of danger.
Equilibrium by Default(not allowing change, remaining same)
A bird called ‘Dodo’ is extinct in native south pacific habitat, it enjoyed stable, unchanging, congenial environment safe from predators. It was lulled by the equilibrium during a prolonged period and was defenseless 50lbs bird became incapable of flight, thus abruptly, it became fatally vulnerable to sailors and settlers with firearms. We have to change with changing world and bring variety to match up with habitat we live in. For everyone immersed in equilibrium and willing not to change and remain same because we were good in the past and we were great in the past, it is not easy to recognize it as a threat because it often wears the disguise of an advantage. It is concealed inside strong values close knit social system like ours will be unable to cope with challenge when encountered. Dinosaurs gone, Neanderthals gone, many animals extinct, Egyptians gone, Romans disappeared, Aryans dissolved, all gods lived and gone. Change happens and change is must. If we say, we are good, we were great, so why change? Lets remain same, will not guarantee our survival. We as Hindus perish. Go extinct??
We are living in …………..>altered past= altered present=altered future. We altered meaning of past history, Which alters meaning of present status, Which will eventually alter meaning of future.
WE ARE LIVING IN FALSE REALITY, TIME TO WAKE AND ADOPT AND ADAPT
mahesh said
Cycle of Self Destructive Hindu Religion
Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal
Solution to Cycle of SelfDestructive Hindu Religion:
Reverse the cycle. 20th Century there was abolition of Intellectual slavery and we can see the results in our country. Loosening of Untouchability is showing results in boosting morality of Hindus. Ignorance exploitations is monitored( it is a start). Emotional and mental and physical abuses are under check atleast for now. On the whole , going through the cycle was the rule for Non Brahmins and it is not anymore
mahesh said
Since abolition of Intellectual slavery and removal of Untouchability and decreasing Emotional abuses all over India, you can see tremendrous progress these few decades.Education became every one’s : propertyTemples became everyone’s : comfort place with GODEmotional scars are healing, abuses are being taken care of. Emotionally raped tribes are given chance to come back.more needs to be donewe have to talk these dark side aspects of our religionwe have to talk about it repeatedly until we get desensitized by itwe have be comfortable with these aspects of our Hinduismwe have to face it now or some time in future, why not get over it.Join the momentum: jai bhajarang baliact now.awareness of this problem is itself CUREwhen u know exactly what is the problem: solution comeout by itself.Know your problem as it is.donot adultrate the problem.respect nature: respect the past. take history as it is: learn from itreplay past records, disuss about it. argue about it. learn from it. PAST is our best teacher
mahesh said
we as Hindus and our hinduism is very good in arguments and philosophycal
discussions and imaginative ego satisfactions. this is the reason why I say:
our Hinduism will go extinct. that is why we are still underdeveloped and
primitive with divisions and castism and discriminations and crimes and
bribery, povery, overwhelming populations, dirt, lazyness: —- If we are
so great and oldest and greatest and biggest and brightest people: why we
are so backward in all aspects of life compared to other countries. why we
have laid back so much compared to western countries. It is not sufficient
to blame other countries by saying that we they have stolen our Ideas and
literature and Knowledge. it is meager excuse and shameful to say.
If we are so intelligent , we should have counteracted these same
westerners from stealing. Are we so stupid at that time to give these
valuable resources to these people and let them prosper and while we are
degrading with these same knowledge we have ?
So stop self boasting and comebck to the ground. talk reality. whatever we
have in our religion and culture didnot support us to go into prosperity ,
equality and it did make us underdevelop, made us much poorer nation,
created more and more populations and made our country dirt, filthy, with
millions of children became victims of diseases.
we have to accept our reality and feel the real life and come with
facts.accept facts: most important thing to do . accept the facts. A truth
is a truth. it burns if u refuse it or hide it. our religion and culture and
traditions has failed us miserably by creating inequality, invented
untouchability, intellectual slavery and emotional rapism
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mahesh said
This bundle of hinduism consists of : All our Gods, all 4 Vedas, Upanishads, Mahabharat, Ramayan, all our Traditions, All our Culture, all our Philosophy, understanding, rituals we are proud of and other things you can think of is in it. this bundle we are holding so dearly for many Centuries proudly and lovingly which makes us feel Ego bloated anytime we want has produced following results to all of us as Hindus. 1. Untouchability2. Castism3. Intellectual Slavery4. Illiteracy5. one Billion People6. Motherless children7. disease and deaths8. discriminations9. dirt, filth, unhygienic life Only when Intellectual Slavery Abolished —— Hindus Progressed for the last few decades after suffering centuries, most importantly “information revolution”. Irrespective of our excuses we come up with above 9 points to explain; this bundle should have taken care of. IF we say these 9 points have reasons and it is because of some people doing this and that is not sufficient. Because this Bundle of Hinduism should have taken care of and overcome those hurdles and should have shown Resilience. We only feel self satisfied by giving excuses for the past deeds and continue feed our egos with our past. The above 9 points can never be God given gifts. They are man made. No more tongue twitings verbalogy or explanations to our sufferings . Lets meditate on this points. Please be silent for a minute. NOW.
mahesh said
Name one Brahmin who spend his entire life : uplifting poor and Dalits
Name on BRAHMINS WHO SPEND FEW DAYS OF LIFE : talking about Non Brahmins, which is majority of Hindus , who are illiterate.
Name a single Brahmin : who said : untouchability is the single most shameful mistake that any religion has ever done to themselves.
Tell me on Brahmins who worked like Mahatma Gandhi( Baniya community) Tell me one Brahmin who agrees with Ambedkar concepts Name one Brahmins who donated something: money/clothes/food/books/sponsored poor/adopted a Kshudra child.
Change is must and it is coming lot of Brahmins whome I spoke to : for the first time realzing how bad this situation.
They know now difference between : individual Christian, Individual Budhist how much respected they are compared to our Hindu Individual and their individual prosperity. this is the bottom line: Every Hindu should be developing along with each other cooperation without Untouchability or Intellectual slavery or Emotional rapism
mahesh said
Our beloved Priests, Great Scholars and so called Great Intellectuals: The Brahmins– Destroyed Hinduism–here is how. They have used weapons of mass Hindu destruction(discrimination,knowledge monopoly,intellectual slavery,emotional abuses,untouchability). They used emotional mantras and abused many hindus psychologically. The negative energy was tolerated by innocent Hindus for ages. They have forgotten that
E=mc2:
E=emotional energy
m=mass of hindu people
c2=speed of change
this has enornous energy. Majority of hindus have collected enormous energy that can be channeled to bring the change. The change is coming. It is fast, lighting speed!!!!! it is scary for them.!!!!Weapons of Mass Hindus Destruction(WMHD) are: Untouchability, Intellectual Slavery, Emotional abuses, Spiritual Monopoly)
Weapons of Mass Hindu Destruction(WMHD) that was used by Hindus on Hindus are so powerful, it has effect like we have seen on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are longterm radiation complications of these negative energy resulting in cancers for generations. So educationa and socio-economical reservations are not able to treat or eradicate the effects.
Lets compete with ourselves
Lets bring this sacred truth, before other do
Lets be self critic
Lets take responsibility on our shoulders
Lets make it black and white.
LEts not escape by saying, other religions take advantage of us.
LEts give respect our Hindus deserve, give them back their lost Humanity. They will never convert into other religions.
Lets take a charge.
All our greatness, rich heritage, oldest culture will vanish, if we not learn from our mistakes and identify them. We will be Isolated, feel lonely, Guilt toxic, nothing feels satisfying, no Heaven or Hell, Restless, makes u feel worthless even though u have acquired all vedic knowledge. It is time to rescue ourselves. Respect ourselves. U know very well what happen to Hitler. While Hitler was visible to naked eye and he was eventually defeated, there Brahminism is invisible dictators, who abused millions for ages and killed many hindus Psycholociall, mentally, emotionally, socio-economically. This was emotional dictatorship. Spirituality was stripped from innocent Hindus. Raped millions of Hindus Spiritually,emotionally. They used these weapons of mass hindu destruction—Untouchability, Intellectual slavery, Knowledge monopoly. This brahministic dictatorship is ending slowly. This is done by Non Brahmins Allies who came together and attacked them, making Knowledge accessable to everyone, reversing their educational reservation.
They are the ones who invented ‘Untouchability and Intellectual slavery and Knowledge Monopoly’ They made every other caste to learn how to use weapon of castocracy and now they are trying to come out of it by making others do their job, as the discriminations continue in various castocratic levels. Their vigorous practice with manipulations of meanings from vedas and other religious scriptures, they have succeeded in abusing majority of hindus for centuries. When asked about the caste system, they always gave good meaning to it saying that it was good for the people and it was created by God(Lord Rama), who never told them to cut Ekalavyas thumb, who never told them to kill those khsudras who were trying to learn some skill or read or touch books!
They try to hide these age old atrocities, saying that was all past, why u are bringing it now? They are forgetting that they have practiced for centuries and they can’t get rid of it by few decades of Reservation now. Psychological, mental, emotional, spiritual slavery they have practised on generations, after generations, will take time to bring change in our Innocent Hindus, who were thinking that living in Sudra life is their payback for their ancestral sins??? and this is well sponsored by Brahmins.
Let them tell u one single brahmin who dedicated his or her life to the upliftment of other hindus?It is time to take this responsibility.it is time to bring this sacred truthIt is time to expose once for all.Give the respect all Hindus deserve.Give them back their lost Humanity.Respect our past.Lets spread this Sacred Truth! my Brother.
Trying to generalize their sins, they will try to compare with racism, but they forget that castocratic discrimination is worse than racism. In racism, white discriminates black, but in caste system, a hindu hates other hindu?? get it? it is like black hating black or white hating white in caste system????
Blaming other castes for castocracy is just another way of escaping themselves that they don’t do these abuses anymore, while making other higher caste people addicted to these concept.Yes when Lord Rama was there, the caste system was in good shape with right meaning given to right levels, which was later manipulated by castrocratic people, who abused this system for ages. As a fire-incharge people who learned how to do animal sacrifices and food rituals( Yagna,agni hotra), they punished 80-90% of Hindus with their religious monopoly and made other hindus less than Humans. They have to pay for their sins.
Lets realize the facts
lets face the truth
lets be true to oneself
lets purge our negative emotions
lets create true hinduism
lets respect our past as it is
lets not disrespect our History
Lets learn from our mistakes
Lets stand infront of mirror and see who were and are!! for the first time!
It is time to change.
Change is must.
It is essence of life and universe.
Lets be brave to see dark side of hinduism in very frank manner.
Lets compare with ourselves not with others.
Lets blame ourselves for our status.
No one steals from anyone unless they let them do it.
LEts bring Hindus on one platform.
Lets respect our hindus, give them religious freedom they deserve
Give them back their emotions they lost, give them respect they deserve in Temples and in everyday life. Let them be touchables in Temples. Let them be free to chosen priests of our temple. Let them perform yagna. Let them have freedom with God. Let them talk one to one with GOD for the first time. THIS WILL ERADICATE CHRISTIAN CONVERSIONS.
Let them be part of who u are, who we are the Hindus.
Lets create a new chapter.
Lets accept our mistakes, be first to correct it before someone else tries to correct.
Lets be Self critic,before other religions criticize us.
Lets our weakness be our Strength by identifying them and respecting them, learning from the.
Let our failures as a Hindus be our Guiding Teacher.
No one steals from anyone unless they let them do it( we let our knowledge steal by not giving to our own real Hindus.
ARE WE READY for RECONCILIATION YET”””””???????
Based on our Historical data, where can we expect our ancestors are : Heaven or !!!!!!!
Lets do something about it………………………………………………………………………….
Take time to think about it. Think like a person who is going to die!! Bring your real feeling.
Be great Hindu. Real Hindu. Stand Up. Shake your concepts.
It is time to Change. together LETS BRING THIS SACRED TRUTH>
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h said
Very nice Mahesh.
But instead of blaming one community, can we not see how each one of us in the present and every community in the past, has or had a role to play in the denigration and decomposition of hindusim?
Sometimes i do find the claim of some brahmins as being the ‘greatest’ as amusing. Why not call all hindus as equals and as equally ‘great’.
Actually every community in India thinks it is the greatest. This so-called mania to be the ‘greatest’ is a type of mental problem (one comment from a non-brahmin:: is a daanam-taker greater or a daanam giver greater) — just shows each person’s level of ego. Such people are there everywhere. No escape.
We have had enuf of seperation on the grounds of seperate communities.
Its time for all hindus to unite on a common platform and take their heritage in their hands.
No more brahmin.
No more dalit.
All are equal.
If a child shows inclination for spiritual life and spritual knowledge, admit him to a gurukul (that’s how anyone became a ‘brahmin’ in the past). Nothing can be based on birth alone.
How many gurukuls are there in India? And how many madrasas?
People should come forward to open more gurukuls / vedic schools.
Let us not allow anyone to take advantage of our internal problems.
No politics. No conversions based on lure of money. If faith truly motivates anyone to convert, let them have their freedom.
On the whole, let us become a strong hindu culture.
mesquiteice said
mahesh
you said” Name one Brahmin who spend his entire life : uplifting poor and Dalits ”
My answer :- Subramanya Bharathi
Name on BRAHMINS WHO SPEND FEW DAYS OF LIFE : talking about Non Brahmins, which is majority of Hindus , who are illiterate. :
My answer: Swami Raghavendra
Name a single Brahmin : who said : untouchability is the single most : VO Chidambaram Pillai
I want to ask you one thing in return:
Please let me know one brahmin who has spoken bad of dalits
Please let me know one brahmin who has worked his entire life againt dalits
Please let me know one brahmin who hates his brothers like you seem to hate your brothers.
mesquiteice said
mahesh,
I agree with what you say as far as your things to do are concerned.
Lets build a better india.
happy-hindu said
1. Do u know, there was no Temples in Vedic period and it was copied from Budha. Budha didnot like castism and Vedic ritual and so he created his own religion and Brahmins didn’t like him at all, yet when budha died, Brahmins said, that Budha is incarnation of Lord Vishnu?
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Vedic rituals are centrerd around fire. Temples began with the Siddha tradition in the south. Most agamic temples were in fact consecerated by the Siddhas. Please talk to yogis of Siddha tradition or visit Tiruvannamalai for more details.
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2. Do u know, Tirupati statue and Panduranga statue are Budha statues?but brahmins changed them into Hindu gods?
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i wud be glad if you could provide the references to this. Esp Tirumala, i am certain it was not Buddhist.
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3. Do u know why Vedas is not translated in any other indian languages? because 90% of vedic poems are about rituals and meat eating methods and Soma juice (alcohol) and they are meaningless, only 10% is knowledge based vedic slokas.
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I have a translated copy of the Rig Veda (book, hard copy) with me. I also had the Yajur in India in Sanskrit – both Shukla and Krishna, in my native place. There are no meat eating methods in it.
There are hyms (or shlokas) to nature and those adderssing the divine within and without. Please clarify what you mean by “10% knowledge-based shlokas”.
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4. Do u know, we were all, Meat eating in Vedic period, and Vegetarianism came very recently, and it is out of competition with Budhisim/Jainism and brahminism?
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Agastya was meat-eating. Let us say….they ate anything they got as bikshuks. They were not concerned abt whether it was meat or not meat…Also beyond a certain point, yogis do not consume any solids.
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5. Do u know, Brahmins were cooks and care takers of Fire(yagna is nothing but celebration of fire and food, but they gave different meaning to it?
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No. This is a lie. Please provide references.
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6. Do u know, Most of the GODS were non Brahmins like Lord Rama, yet these Gods were inducted into brahminism and those GOds taken away from innocent castes?
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Gods were non-brahmins alright. The rest of the statement is false again. PLease Provide with references: that Gods were inducted into brahminism or took away innocent castes. Your statement is not clear. Please clarify what you intend to convey.
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7. Do u know, that we Historical Crime committed on our HINDUS BY HINDUS by Intellectual slavery and Knowledge monopoly?
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Completely wrong. There was no intellectual slavery and no knowledge monopoly…..knowledge survived in small pockets when the entire country was razed down by muslims..and before that it survived deep down in kerala when practically the entire country was buddhist.
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8. Do u know, it is all in the ‘Meaning’ that we give to a story or history that makes reality?and so all our history in the past has been changed by giving different meaning?
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Provide references please.
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9. Do u know Lord Parasurama is mass killer and killed his own mother, but he was made God by Brahmins?
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I consider Rama as God. About Parasurama, I have a few reservations. In any case, Rama subdued Parasurama.
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10.Do u know, our Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: is Castism which was invented by Brahmins and made everyone to follow strictly so that they can dominate?
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An absolute lie.
Caste system was designed by Kshatriyas to stay in power. A brahmin got nothing but respect. And even that he forewent, if he chose to stay isolated in a forest with no human contact.
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11.Abolition of Intellectual Slavery(after our Independence): we prospering by creating Equality now and we are making real progress, that is not seen for centuries in the past?
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First came the muslims, Then came the British. Who are you blaming?
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12.Do u know, Reservation in education is a “pay back” time for our ancestors abuses? Brahmins had more than 100% reservation in the past?
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This is a sickening statement. I regret my previous post praising you. What do you mean by “pay back” time? Please clarify.
I am not a brahmin and i beleive a country can progress only if there is meritocracy.
Reservations are meant for people who do not have the resources to compete, either intellectually, nor monetarily. We accept reservations for those who cannot compete monetarily….but for intellectual inability, there is no excuse. If fools decide things in the country….God forbid, it will become a dust-bin.
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13.Do u know, Eklavya Syndrome — some Hindus continue to suffer even now in some remote villages in India(they can’t use thumb for bow and arrow?
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Which Indian viallge is this? Are people still using bows and arrows? I do have friends who do sociology projects in interior India….never heard of bows and arrows except in remote tribals who do not know what is ekalavya.
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14.Do u know, Castism is worse than Racism (castism hindu hates hindu, racism white hates black)?
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Racism is worse than castism. People were killed. Nobody was ever killed in castism.
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15.Do u know, Idol worship started after Budhism? 300-400BC
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Wrong sir……very wrong….i had a siddha master. And i can explain abt idol worship, if you wud care to listen from a non-political open-minded stand.
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16.Do u know we practiced “Purusha Medha Yagna” (sacrificing people) but we don’t talk about it.
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Yes. Sacrificing people was practiced by the warrior communites in the past.
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17.Do u know, Brahmins had “ 100% Educational reservation” for Centuries?(and we need same years for others to develop)
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Wrong again. Either you skipped vedic tradition even until 1600 or you focussed on ‘brahmin’ caste as it came to be from 1900 onwards.
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18.Do u know, SOMA juice is the most addictive ‘alcohol’ like drink,used extensively in Vedic period.
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Soma was not alcohol. It was medicinal. It has been identified as Ephedra..Please read more about it.
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19.Do u know, “gotras” are based on Owner ship of cattle in vedic period?
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Yes, Gotras are cattle ownership. Later it included the teacher-student lineage.
Regards.
happy-hindu said
Rigveda: Book IV: Hymn: XVIII: 13: ” in deep distress I cooked a dog’s Intestines. Among the Gods I found not one to comfort
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Rig Veda : Book IV: Hymn: XXII: 8: ” he finds in lair the buffalo and wild ox when the wise lead him on to vigorous exploit. Indra obtains these two animals either for himself as sacrificial flesh or for his worshippers, who would not object to eat the flesh of wild oxen”
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A man was in deep distress and ate what he could find. What’s wrong with it? Do you consider just a few to qualify the entire rig, sama, yajur and artharvana as books of ‘meat-eating methods’? Are these meat-eating methods btw?
I consider most of the Rig just poetry, and if intoned within oneself, it feels good. For that matter, many portions of the Bible and the Quran also feel good — which is why we call them ‘divine’.
Not only Chandogya, most upanishads were composed by those who ate meat….again the focus is not on meat alone..but anything that is a source of sustenance..
happy-h said
Self Destructive cycle of Hinduism: Untouchability———-> Illiteracy—> Intellectual Slavery —>Ignorance exploitations in the name of GOD——> Poverty-à->Emotional, physical, mental , spiritual Abuses(saying that they paying for their sins)——> 60% of Hindus are still in this Abused status currently——> pity is they donot know they were victims( Psychological Terrorism) —–>This Untouchability is more prevalent than Racism in Western Countries and it is very subliminal.
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i regret having commented in my first post to you in haste, praising you, without going thru all the material you have put out.
hindusim did not create untouchability, illiteracy, poverty, intelelctual slavery, ignorance….
Why do you guys Never look at how things Had to transpire after the Islamic incursions into India?
Why keep blaming your own and praise the actual looters?
mesquiteice said
very intersting posts. Enlightening in fact
Full dose!
Karthikeyan said
This blog authors and others teaming with them have totally illogical plans. They want to:
1. bring “equality” by “reserving” seats for some people.
2. bring “peace” by “destroying” brahminism.
Total comedy.
Hinduism says “your sufferings is because of your past actions”. It doesn’t say “you’ll be born Shudra if you do sins”. Sufferings come to people irrespective of Varna because of their deeds. This is Hindu teaching. If you don’t want to believe it, then choose your own way. Who cares?
Rowan Moses said
The brahmins destroyed the roots of Dravidian civilization by bringing their corrupt caste system to India- Indisputable fact and the proof exists even today.
We should not annihilate them but try to attain independence from India and destroy the caste system from Dravidian lands and then we will attain the glory of our ancient civilization. The Dalits were the only Dravidians(I am not one) to oppose aryan rule that is why they were made to be scavengers our new Dravidian country should give the brahmins a choice-Either take your culture and your vedic gods to the north or scavenge in the south. The Dalits should rule this new and glorious Dravidian state and lead us to our former glory.
Praise be to our civilization and we will be independent one day.
Veludurai said
Rowanmoses,
What is the indisputabile proof. Do let us know what this great proof is. There is absolutely no evidence of an aryan invasion especially of south india. Many Brahmins have come through indegenous indian tribes. Anyway this false propoganda was instrumental in the exodus of Brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
Now the tamilians are ruled by their own Dravidian parties since many decades now. Whats the problem now. Why are you still cribing. You say you are not a dravidian. So what are you – a christian missionary out to get tamil nadu separate from India. For your information Tamil Nadu has the highest number of Hindu temples in India frequented by the Dravidian Tamils and also majority of them owned by Dravidians. So whats your problem Mr Missionary.
The separate state of Tamil Nadu from the Indian union is an impossibility. It is just not sustainable as TN is dependent on other parts of India. Even the dravidian parties do not talk about it now. They did this initially in the 50s and 60s when Periyar and his disciple Annadorai was propped up by the CIA to start a separatist movement. But the propoganda of the movement was based on unrealistic myths and had no semblence of reality. TN was just too much an inseparable part of India both geographically, culturally and socially. So this malicious myth and propoganda just disappeared since the 70s. Annadurai and his CIA mentors did not pursue it further as there was nothing much they could reap from this myth. And here comes this moron Rowan Moses who wants to reinvent this myth. Good luck and we all know the outcome.
Rajendran said
Dear Rowan Moses,
Your dravidian leader the irrationalist Karunanidhi mentioned that Dravidians came from Lemuria as Opposed to Aryans who came from Atlantis. As a Dravidian I am just wondering whether we should go back and drown in Indian Ocean as Lemuria is supposedly submerged.
I am opting for the Indian Union and Rowan Moses in case you need your land back you know where to go. Go drown in the Indian Ocean.
Shem-a said
Dear Rowen Moses,
You speak like a typical tamil christian.
1) Please let us know what are those indisputable facts and proof.
2) Please explain what you mean by “dravidian”.
3) All dalits were not indigenous / older settlement groups. Do you consider a punjabi dalit sikh as an aryan or dravidian?
4) What do you mean by “take you vedic gods to the north or scavenge in the south”? Please note:
A good many brahmins come from the native / older settlement groups as indo-iranians.
For your kind information, there are quite many tamilians who seem to have come from the central asians who displaced the indo-iranians in the north; and arrived in south themselves later – after being displaced by their own kind or a newer version of central asians.
And sure mate, I can provide proof.
happy-hin said
Rowan Moses,
I can provide proof that brahmins come from:
a) indigenous tribes of India
b) older civilization settlements (as opposed to some non-brahmin tamilians who come from newer settlements)
c) and are from a mix-match group as much as other ‘castes’ across India. So you can drown your theory of racial purity amongst non-brahmin tamilians in the Indian ocean as well.
C .L . CHUMBER said
WHY RAM`S FATHER ( ? ) DASARATHA MADE PREGNANT HIS WIVES BY HIS GRAND SON ( DOHTA-SON OF ONE`S DAUGHTER ) RISHI SHARINGI ?????
Dear Viewers ,
I am sorry that I could not dialogue because I was on tour of Maharashtra , Andhra Pardesh and Gujrat for two weeks .Today , I returned .
In Pune ( Maharashtra ) , I visited the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute -411004 .It was founded on July 6, 1917 and is a public organisation registered under Act 21 of 1860 AD . It is partly supported by annual earmarked grants from the Maharashtra Government which nominates five representatives on the Regulating Council and two on the Executive Board .The institute has also received grants from the Government of India and the University Grants Commission for special research projects . This institute is known for its world famous” Critical Edition Of the Mahabharta ” which costs Rs.19,000/- !
I purchased only two books on Mahabharta ( 1986 AD ) and Ramayna ( 1994 AD ) both written by Mr. M.R.Yardi .Some fanatic manuwadis lost in dialogue in protecting theirs rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods and abused me in writting frequently in the dalitnation . wordpress.com .This confirms that the manuwadis can not dialogue .They impose their views dictatorly and if they fail then they lost temper . They even called me rapist , racist and fascist without any evidence in frustration ! It is the biggest ever irony in the world`s history and mythology that the followers and defenders of rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods blamed others so bitterly !!!!!
I am a member of a self-respectful family and a citizen of a India like country . I will answer him / them in a very cultured way with references so that no one in future can behave like this .
I hereby reproduce Mr.M.R.Yardi`s book ” The Ramayna : Its Origin and growth ” as below with courtesy :-
” Rishi Shranga was the son of sage Vibhandka . He was brought up by his father in complete isolation from the rest of the world , so that he had not come into the contact with women .When the kingdom of Anga suffered from a severe famine , king Lomapaada was advised that if he could bring Rishi Saranga there , the rain would come and bring prosperity to his kingdom . The ascetic youth was enticed with the help of beautiful harlots and later given princess Shanta in marriage . In some Ramayna versions ( Buckle, para 343 ) , Shanta is said to be THE DAUGHTER OF DASARATHA ,GIVEN BY HIM in adoption to his friend Lomapaada . DASARATHA BROUGHT THE SAGE TO AYODHYA TO PRESIDE OVER HIS ASHAVMEDHA SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET SONS ( 1 . 8 . 10 . ) ”
I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS UNETHICAL STEP OF DASARATHA IN DETAIL . BUT THIS IS A BEFITTING REPLY TO THOSE MANUWADIS WHO TRIED THEIR BEST TO ESTABLISH ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR AS HARAMZADA IN VAIN .THIS CONFIRMS THAT RAM AND HIS STEP BROTHERS ARE NOT SONS OF DASARATHA !!!!! ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER`S SON WHO MADE PREGNANT RAM`S MOTHER AND STEP-MOTHERS .THE SARITA FORTNIGHTLY , DELHI ALSO PUBLISHED BABU JAGJIVAN RAM`S ( DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA ) INTERVIEW IN 1980 AD IN WHICH HE HIGHLIGHTED THIS UNETHICAL BIRTHS OF RAM AND HIS STEP-BROTHERS !!!!! I WILL DISCUS IT LATER ON .
C .L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ PAGE NO. 210-11 OF THE ABOVE CITED BOOK .THANKS .
happyhindu-hh said
DASARATHA BROUGHT THE SAGE TO AYODHYA TO PRESIDE OVER HIS ASHAVMEDHA SACRIFICE IN ORDER TO GET SONS ( 1 . 8 . 10 . ) ”
I WILL NOT COMMENT ON THIS UNETHICAL STEP OF DASARATHA IN DETAIL . BUT THIS IS A BEFITTING REPLY TO THOSE MANUWADIS WHO TRIED THEIR BEST TO ESTABLISH ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR AS HARAMZADA IN VAIN .THIS CONFIRMS THAT RAM AND HIS STEP BROTHERS ARE NOT SONS OF DASARATHA !!!!! ACTUALLY THEY WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER`S SON WHO MADE PREGNANT RAM`S MOTHER AND STEP-MOTHERS .THE SARITA FORTNIGHTLY , DELHI ALSO PUBLISHED BABU JAGJIVAN RAM`S ( DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA ) INTERVIEW IN 1980 AD IN WHICH HE HIGHLIGHTED THIS UNETHICAL BIRTHS OF RAM AND HIS STEP-BROTHERS !!!!! I WILL DISCUS IT LATER ON .
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Mr.Hater,
1) For every book you recommend, we can recommend to you a double number of books with opposite content in it. It depends on which type of books you want to follow.
2) By defaming the gods, you cannot remove hinduism. Can you remove upanishads, the 6 darshanas, counter various philosophies..etc?
3) Only you are calling Kabir as haramzada. Not a single hindu has called him anything like that. He was a kriya yogi and hindus rever him.
4) You are a jobless politician. Touring and tearing the country apart is what you do for a living. You are an anti-national and for inciting communal discord, you have to be dealt by the law.
C .L . CHUMBER said
RAM , LAXMAN , BHARAT AND SHATRUGHAN WERE THE SONS OF THEIRS SISTER SHANTA` S HUSBAND ( JIJA JI ? ) RISHI SHARANGA !!!!!
THIS IS WRITTEN BY ADI-MAHABHAGWAN VALMIKI THAT RAM WAS NOT SON OF DASRATH !!!!! I AM NOT HATER ! IF A DOCTOR DIAGONIZE A PERSON AND TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE A PATIENT OF THIRD STAGE CANCER OR HIV POSITIVE , THEN THE PATIENT THANKS THE DOCTOR NOT GET ANGER .HIS REQUESTS THE DOCTOR TO TREAT HIM VERY WELL .
PLEASE BE PATIENT . YOU PEOPLE CALLED ME RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST AND MANY MORE ABUSES . YOU HINDU BRAHMAN PEOPLE WROTE THAT ADI-MAHAGURU KABIR WAS A SON OF A WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY .PLEASE TELL US THE ADDRESSES OF THAT LADY`S PARENTS AND IN-LAWS . WHAT WAS THE NAME OF HIS DECEASED HUSBAND ? WHO MADE PREGNANT THAT POOR WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY ? WAS THAT WIDDOW BRAHMAN LADY CHARACTERLESS / PROSITUTE ?
WE FIND THE ACTUAL FATHER OF AYODYA`S KING RAMA AND HIS STEP BROTHERS IN VALMIKI RAMAYNA ! IF THIS IS NOT TRUE IN THE BOOK OF MR. YARDI , THEN I WILL WITH MR. HAPPY HINDU TO FILE A CASE AGAINST HIM AND ALSO TO STOP GRANTS OF THE BHANDARKAR ORIENTAL INSTITUTE , PUNE FROM THE UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION AND THE MAHARASHTRA GOVT.
THE BHANDARKAR INSTITUTE IS WORLD FAMOUS FOR HIS MERITORIUS RESEARCH WORK ! THEY PUBLISHED THE WORLD FAMOUS ” CRITICAL EDITION OF THE MAHABHARTA ” .
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR.HAPPY HINDU ! I AM NOT JOBLESS . MY JOB IS TO DYNAMITE THAT THINKING WHICH INVENTED , NOURISHED AND STILL PERSERVING THE FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM .THIS THINKING GLORIFY , DEFEND AND EVEN WORSHIP BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THIS FILTHY SYSTEM .
MY FIVE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE ON DECENT JOBS .I NEVER BEGGED FOR MONEY FROM MY ADMIRERS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY POOR . I HELPED 12 STUDENTS ( ONE BRAHMAN , 5 OBCs AND 6 SCs OF DIFFERENT CASTES ) TO GET ADDMISSION ON MERIT BASIS IN 3 YEARS ONLY WHERE MY LABOURIOUS WIFE IS A TEACHER . I TOUR THE COUNTRY BECAUSE I LOVE MY COUNTRY !!!!! MY UNCLE , BROTHERS , COUSINS ,SISTERS , BROTHERS-IN-LAW AND SISTERS-IN-LAW RESIDE IN FOREIGN COUNTRY BUT I MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN PREFER OUR COUNTRY !!!!! I AM SUCH A LOVER OF MY COUNTRY . I DO NOT DRINK AND SMOKE . I HAVE SIMPLEST LIVING AND HIGHEST ACTIONAL THINKING !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
IN JAWAHAR NAVODYA VIDAYALYA WHERE BOARDING AND LOADGING IS FREE BY THE CENTRAL GOVT.THESE SCHOOLS 6-12 CLASSES ARE EVERY WHERE ONE IN EACH DISTT.OF INDIA .
mesquiteice said
HH,
please let me know what are the types of yoga and what is kriya yoga?
As far as I know YOG is the nature of connection with the Paramatma. I suppose you can connect up with dedication to “work” which is called KARMA YOGA. or by dedication to all other living beings called BHAKTI YOGA
But really dont have any idea about the others.
Var.. said
I dun care…
I believe brahmins just created everything by themselves..
ya brahmins r great they said..
my foot..
n our dravidians that time just let this happen…so shameful..
Karthikeyan said
Hi Happy Hindu
King Dashratha did Puthra Kameshti yagnya in order to get children. I don’t know which sage perfomed it, may be it was Shringi Muni as suggested by Chumber Ji. Agni appeared in the yagna kunda with a mango (or mangoes, i’m not sure) and advised Dashratha’s queens to eat them. Hence the Princes of Ayodhya were born. The Sons of the mighty Surya Vamsha.
I don’t know how to call the idea behind twisting this story as “making pregnant by somebody else”. How cheap this is. I’m confidant that Chumber Ji knows the above said original version (given his incredible knowledge). But he isn’t keen discussing it. How troublesome this is…
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Mesquiteice,
Kriya yog is a loose term used for kundalini awakening form of yoga as practiced by the siddhars – it is considered diff from other forms of yoga. Patanjali did describe kundalini yoga – is also belived that all forms of yoga are done to increase body strength with the final aim of preparing to withstand the stage of samadhi. But there are some who beleive kundalini awakening methods can be practiced without other physical forms of yoga (as asanas) and insist on the jnana marga instead.
There are also 2 camps – one beleives celibacy is a must and another beleives celibacy is not a must. Actually celibacy is not a must since siddhas / sages did procreate (albeit only for specifically bringing forth a child) and did not loose their siddhis. Siddhis can bcome dormant or even lost but can be re-awakened depending on practice.
Generally once a person starts the sadhana, it is very rare to get him to be interested in anything at all – the transcendent state of mind is addictive. Obviously it is not possible when living a mainstream life. At the same time if a person is a beginner, then starting the practice or getting back to the sadhana is very rigrous and streneous.
Patanjali also said that the easiest way to awaken the kundalini is thru BHAKTI. Hence, bhakti or ardent faith resulting in complete surrender goes hand in hand with the actual sadhana; and is the way to it. Without faith, there is no use for anything in life.
Also there is another fallacy that kundalini pratice is mainly a Shaiva practice. In this form of yoga, there is no Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktaism, etc – all are same.
My guru had explained that the 3 horizontal lines on a Shaiva’s forehead represent the 3 and 1/2 coils of the serpentine energy in muladhara. The 1/2 coil is behind and therefore only 3 stripes are seen or shown in the front.
The 3 vertical lines on a Vaishnava’s forehead represent the idagala, pingala and sushumna. While bhumadevi is idagala, the earth energy, shridevi is pingala, the fire energy. Ida is considered feminine and is akin to the id or ego sense as espoused by Freud. Without Ida, one cannot understand Pingala. Therefore ego is necessary, but in the intelligent form. In mainstream life we tend to live in our unintelligent-ego form. Pingala is intellect but not intelligence. When both idagala and pingala are in balance, intelligence is awakened.
Shiva taught this knowledge and became one with it. He holds the trishul signifying the 3 nadis – ida, pingala, sushumna – the knowledge of which destroys every evil within us (we do believe that all Gods are within us).
Narayana on the other hand does not hold the trishul but in His deified icon form points at the source of all surrender and bliss – His feet. Which is why Vaishnavas belive that they are wearing Shripadam as the namam. Surrender to Narayana (or at one’s own altar of ego) is indeed the easiest way to awaken the sleeping serpentine energy within us.
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Karthikeyan,
The prob is we tend to judge based on our sensibilities in the present time. In those days, niyoga was not wrong. But this does not apply to Rama.
Just like Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna and Rama were also born of non-coitus birth. Which is why they are known for what they are known – as superhumans or divine. It is very difficult to explain these things to political people – they do not want to understand it because it means nothing to make politics out of.
Mesquiteice,
Small correction –
Please read as:
Which is why Vaishnavas belive that they are wearing Vishnu padam as the namam.
PS: Also, i do not find this info anywhere (neither books nor online). Am expressing whatever my guru had said. So i have no means of authenticating anything or providing any references.
shem-happy-hindu-hh said
Mesquiteice,
i forgot to add Laya yoga and that based on single syllables sounds or swaras…there are a few more forms of Kundalini yoga. Various teachers explain these things in ways that might subtly differ from one another. There is no single method for all…instead diff ways or sadhanas are recommened to suit diff people. Some might insist on some pranayamas alone. But yama, niyama is compulsory to all forms of yoga. Unfortunately with incorrect practice, the results can be very wrong. Hence, finding the right guru is very important. Many ppl ask what is surrender, how to surrender, etc. The book Ever Present Flower by Osho is an excellent book in that regard.
Regards.
mesquiteice said
HH,
Thanks for your explanation. Is this kundalini yoga captured in the Gita?
what is karma yoga then?
C .L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ADMITTING THAT THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IS A FILTHY AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM !!!!! THEN YOU SHOULD DISCARD BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THIS FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr.happyhindu-hh said ( September 19, 2008 @ 5:59 am ) ,” Yes, you have re-invented the caste / varna filthy system. You are anti-constitution .”
MY ANSWER IS : – Mr.Happy Hindu admitted that the caste / varna system is a filthy system !!!!! He directly or indirectly also admitted that this system is anti-constitutional !!!!!
” Yeh din balatkarion , jatiwadion aur zalimon bure bhagwanon ke khilaf ladaai ke etihaas men mahattavpuran din hoga . ( THIS DAY WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT DAY IN THE HISTORY OF WAR AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS .) MR.HAPPY HINDU IS IN REAL SPIRIT MY FAST FRIEND IN WAR AGAINST THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS WHEN ALREADY SAID ,” EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .” EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT I AM BEING ABUSED BECAUSE I HAVE ESTABLISHED BRAHMA , VISHANU AND HIS INCARNATIONS AS RAPIST , RACIST OR FASCIST .
THIS IS A VICTORY OF ALL OF US WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS E-DIALOGUE THROUGH ENOUGH KIND ADMINISTRATORS OF THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com I especially thank M/s Karthikeyan and Happy Hindu who actively participated in the e-dialogue.
Shantanu Chatterjee said
If we the aryan brahmins were so cruel to the dalits why are there something like 10 times more dalits than brahmins?
get over it before the industrial revolution and universal education only 10% of the population on the entire planet lived comfortably the rest lived in abject penury and people even in the west took to their father’s profession thus you still have surnames like smith,carpenter,schmidt etc even today.similarly as India progresses the caste system will become redundant as it has in most of the big cities.
happy-hindu-hh-shem said
mesquiteice,
imho yes, most kundalini sadhakas believe Krishna did explain this form of yoga in the Gita. Krishna also taught Karma yoga – to do one’s duty to the best of ability and leave the results to God. Krishna in those times taught us the art of balancing the material and spiritual side of our nature. The spiritual side of our nature can be practiced in moderation until one feels one’s responsibilites have been completed, and then take it on in full scale post vanaprastha. However, diff ppl explain these things in diff ways.
Generally speaking, when does surrender to God truly, he automatically is in love with all of creation, including all sentinent beings, resulting in bhakti or devotion for everything around him.
Krishna was supposedly 32 when he told the Gita to Arjuna who was also around the same age, but Krishna said something to the effect of “i remember all my previous births, why u don’t partha”….its easy to go to a hypnosis centre for a few sessions of past life regressions…but that method is not considered good by kundalini sadhakas…the regressions they say will happen on their own and that’s when ‘karma’ is dissolved and a “new birth” happens (dvija)….Regards.
happy-hindu-shem-hh said
posting again
mesquiteice,
imho yes, most kundalini sadhakas believe Krishna did explain this form of yoga in the Gita. Krishna also taught Karma yoga – to do one’s duty to the best of ability and leave the results to God. Krishna in those times taught us the art of balancing the material and spiritual side of our nature. The spiritual side of our nature can be practiced in moderation until one feels one’s responsibilites have been completed, and then take it on in full scale post vanaprastha. However, diff ppl explain these things in diff ways.
Generally speaking, when does surrender to God truly, he automatically is in love with all of creation, including all sentinent beings, resulting in bhakti or devotion for everything around him.
Krishna was supposedly 32 when he told the Gita to Arjuna who was also around the same age, but Krishna said something to the effect of “i remember all my previous births, why u don’t partha”….its easy to go to a hypnosis centre for a few sessions of past life regressions…but that method is not considered good by kundalini sadhakas…the regressions they say will happen on their own and that’s when karma is dissolved and a “new birth” happens (dvija)….Regards.
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan said
Castes, including the socalled ‘Dalit’ group of them, are NOT a conception of the Vedas. They are numerous and may have been a carryover from ancient tribal customs. The Vedas only expound the eternally valid Chatur-varna system. The castes may be grouped under the Varnas, but not yet conforming to the principles of the Varna system whose concept is not based on birth. This Vedic truth that the collective good and the individual optimal benefit, are to be secured if one chooses a path of living [almost universally described wrongly as occupation] which is in tune with his natural inclination and whatever training he obtains for this from a qualified person. Thus anyone who has a spiritual bent of mind which deters him from joining the army of those pursuing commercial-industrial materialistic interests – becomes a Brahmin after of course undergoing the necessary discipline [Samskaara] and practising it all through his life. The Vaishya is not borne in a fixed hereditary lineage, since a person borne to say even a Kshatriya may not be naturally inclined to pursue a militaristic or policing career involving use of force and muscular strength, and if he consults his inner self and determines his best inclination is, he is likely to find his true choice which is in tune with his own innet bent of character. That said, the innumerable castes of today can be grouped in just four groups. According to the Vedic wisdom, a potter can very well give birth to a highly spiritual type of an offspring, who, after following due discipline, can become a Brahmin. The Varna is a matter of choice which MUST be attuned to oe’s own nature. THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, one equating the Varna of one to that of his (or her) father; and the other, not doing so, but separating the Varnas of one from that of one’s parent. What about women ? Brahmin man conforming to the definitions of the above-stated Varna principle, can marry a woman from any one the FOUR Varnas. A Kshatria may marry a woman from any of the THREE Varnas – Kshatria [military-police type], Vaishya[mercantile-industrial managing] and Sudra [manually inclined]. A Vaishya man may marry only from among the Vaishya and Sudra. The manual worker is to choose for his wife only from a woman borne to another witn a manual bent of mind. For a woman, a Brahmin woman shall not marry from among the Kshatria or Vaishya or Sudra, but only a Brahmin man; similarly, a Kshatria woman may marry from her own Varna or a Brahmin man. Similary, too, a Vaishya woman may marry a Vaishya or Kshatria or Brahmin man. And a Sudra woman can marry a man from ANY Varna. THIS KIND OF SOCIAL ORGANIZATION IS AN ASSURANCE AGAINST ARBITRARY EXCESSES WHICH TOGETHER ARE CALLED SOCIAL PROMISCUITY. It enables the building up of a NATURAL gene bank is through long periods of time, which because each person follows what is naturally he is equipped for, in terms of bent of mind or innermost inclinations, adds to the harmony and happiness of the collective whole.
The above basis for social and economic organization is the most equitable as compared to the extractions of the same as part of Western political philosophies. This is so because no one under this system feels superior or inferior to anyone else, since he has chosen the Varna in tune with his own most natural aptitudes. There is no elemet of outside human intervention, since, as stated, each person chooses, or better, determines, his Varna with reference to himself, or rather his own innermost inclinations. THE VARNA SYSTEM, FOR THIS SYSTEM, IS GOD-DESIGNED, what else can it be called? By the way, the Brahmin caste which is the talk of politicians and social reformers, is not the one Brahmin Varna as defined in the Vedas. It is an EXTREME degeneration of the Brahmin Varna having turned into a Brahmin caste, if we may say so, which was a product of British era circumstances. The Britisher wanted an army of clerks and officers who would just translate the diktat from their British masters into files kept and orders executed so as to unquestioningly subserve the foreign ruler. The ruling Britisher merely took the mental/ intellectual powers which had been sharply developed by the Brahmins through spiritual discipline conforming to the Vedas, since the intellect always sharpens with spiritual rigour of one’s self-discipline. The Britisher let the Brahmin throw away his spirituality of never recognizing any material needs except for subsistence and always keeping the society’s good at his heart and propagating spiritual ideals such as the Varna and other Dharmas conforming to the original tenets of the Vedas. This Vedic dharma, subsequently called by the Britisher as the Hindu dharma or Hinduism, aimed at individual satisfaction and self-fulfilment with the ideals of the peace, prosperity and happiness of the society. It should be obvious to ANY UNBIASSED MIND that the Varna system, inasmuch as it does not pit any section of society against any other [look at modern Western notions: for ex. the Communist system wants labour supremacy, but without much argument, this is an untenable ideal. An intellectually-specializing section has the potential to make manual labour absolutely irrelevant, by applying all its brains to bring out devices of total automation obviating human hands to do jobs!]
I have tried to be, and I believe I have been, as honest as I can be, to desribe, in terms understood by me through extensive study and reflection, in my attempt to describe the Vedic Chatur varna system. Mention should be made that this system also had an integral Aashrama dharma, in which each and every individual of society is required to go through stages of (i) rigorous celibacy or pursuit of the study of the inner and outer cosmos within one’s natural limitations of intellec, (ii) householdership to raise a family to produce citizens for the society while observing the tenets enjoined as for one’s Varna [the natural path chosen, Brahmin/ Kshatriya/ Vaishya/ Sudra], (iii) Vaana-prasthha [in which one remains attached to family and yet detaced enough to let the young ones pursue their paths without stunting their growth to full real potential by casting one’s shadows; and (iv) Sannyaasa, or renunciation, a stage in which, due to the living of a life of materialistic and spiritual pursuits and finally casting aside the former very fast until one reaches pure bliss of spirituality. These Aashramas, as a moment’s reflection would show, are open for adoption as a way of discipline regardless of one’s chosen path, or the Varna.
SO, WHAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE INNUMERABLE CASTES PREVALENT TODAY IN INDIA VISAVIS THE VARNA-AASHRAMA SYSTEM AS GIVEN IN THE VEDIC WISDOM OF THE SEERS OF INDIA [RISHIS]?
As said earlier, castes are a metamorphosis of a system of tribes coming from prehistoric days. They are NOT there in the Vedas. The other point is that, there are NO true Brahmans or Kshatriyas, or Vaishyas or Sudras. Whereas EVERY human being is borne with ALL the elements of these four inborn inclinations [spiritual, warrior, mercantile, and manual orientations of character], the proportions differ. A vague kind of quanitification can be used to clarify this last statement: One may be 10% of spiritual [thinking of social good subordinated to one’s own selfish good], some 20% warrior or muscle orientation given to fighting basically in self-defence but also getting aggressive sometimes pre-emptively; some 40% Vaishya [commercial – looking for ways of turning x of moetary worth, into x + y (y>0), and using the surplus for ploughing back for growing capital and thus employment of fellow men]; and the balanc, 30% manual [keen interest to find and execute tasks rather mechanically without involving the brains in a philosophical sense]. Now, the proportions of 10, 20, 40, and 30 per cent (of one’s inclinations) are an illustration. These can vary such that all the proportions add up to 100%. The Varna system wants one to find out which type of inclination takes the maximum proportion, and discipline oneself on the basis further, so as to realize self fulfilment in terms, material and spiritual, and individual and social.
Thus the caste system is an unwanted aberration while talking about our social order. IT CAN BE SEEN ONLY THIS SYSTEM AS DESCRIBED IN THE VEDAS, TO CONFORM WITH ONE’S NATURE AND RIGOROUS DISCIPLINE TO NURTURE IT, CAN BE ETERNALLY AND UNIVERSALLY VALID AND WORKABLE. The Vedic system does NOT propound an artificial homogeneity in society and equality between men, both of which are undefinable. [ How can any two individuals be equal? And yet, Western thinkers wasted their intellectual prowess propounding that equality, freedom, .. and so on. Freedom, by the way for what ? Freedom comes from fearlessness, which cannot be attained
by realizing one’ s consciousness being just an integral part of universal consciousness.]
Our Dalit brothers are invited to study the above thoughts by going to authentic and unvarnished sources. It is not easy to find them, be warned. But that does not mean, we should fight among ourselves by giving more than real worth to what some foreign scholars and missionaries with ulterior motives have said about our natively grown wisdom through millenjnia.
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan said
IMPORTANT CORRECTION: 10% of spiritual [thinking of social good being never subordinated to, but always supreme above, one’s own selfish good],
I wrote wrongly:
10% of spiritual [thinking of social good subordinated to one’s own selfish good],
Sorry for any confusion caused by my error.
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan said
I WISH TO CONCLUDE THE ABOVE LENGTHY ACCOUNT WITH AN ADDITIOAL OBSERVATION. The Dalits [Sanskrit, meaning, as no doubt most of us are aware: suppressed, oppressed, subjugated] are poor, ignorant, discriminated socially. Not that these attributes of poverty, ignorance and discrimination are absent in the other sections of our society. They as a whole collectively, have organized themselves to raise their conditions. Everyone of us, Dalit or non-Dalit, is an Indian, an elementary fact worth telling ourselves now and then – an Indian culturally, socially. Any attempt to drive wedges between these two artificial divisions must be abhorred by all of us. But such an attempt is very much being made, deliberately and with great cunning by sections who are NOT interested in, indeed they are incapable of, ushering them into happiness which is unimaginable with any heavy dose of hatred and animosities based on what were mostly past historical prejudices, or at best, are a fast fading, and illegal tradition. I have not attempted to say anything about the collective endeavours of Dalits as a whole, which are going on. I should like to earnestly repeat that they should not unwittingly allow themselves to be taken advantage of by malicious forces, whether among politicians or religious propagandists. I HAVE IN MY LENGTHY ‘ESSAY’ TRIED TO ONLY POINT OUT, BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS STILL FAR FROM PERFECT, THAT THE ANCIENT RELIGION OF HINDUISM DOES NOT ENCOURAGE DISCRIMINATION OF MAN AGAINST MAN SINCE THE VERY SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONFUSING AND ABSURD, EVEN IF SUPERFICIALLY APPEALIG, NOTIONS OF EQUALITY AND FREEDOM [PLease refer back to my brief statements above.]
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan said
I SHOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE PARAGRAPH, that is one directly on the topic of this page:
I have read quite a good deal about racialism in general, linguistic history of the world, particularly the Indo-European, Aryan Invasion of India, the extinguished Indus Valley Civilization [the captioned topic], and a few other topics, which may be loosely called my areas of sociological and historical interest.
At the end of the day, I find that the above areas are a rich field for theories, each theory having some supporters as well as opponents who have counter-theories. Certaily these topics are of an intensely controversial nature. They, for one thing, relate to the past, which is the concern of historians. A historian interprets historical facts as he picks them up based on what some counterparts, current and past, said. History is not like chemistry or mathematics, which are solidly based on either observations or logic. For this reason I personally cherished since my very early days, a feeling almost verging on scorn, against history as a loose and vague subject. Pardon me, if some historians get offended by what I say, but let me clarify that is my own individual judgment. Amog historians, there is an Establishment, whose ways are very difficult to change, as regards demand for more unbiassed and objective look at facts as distinct from fiction or product of pure imagination. Be that as it may, the Establisment is ignored by non-Establishment groups, as incorrigibles who cannot even admit that the so called archaeological evidences are open to an excessive dose of interpretive gymnastics. Some historians from the Establishment said that the Aryans came from Central Asia or Eastern Europe, invaded India and destroyed certain civilizations, spread their language (the pre-classical language of the Vedic, and then the classical, ‘perfectly refined’ classical Sanskrit). I wonder whether they ever really considered seriously in the right earnest, the possibility that the Aryans, or rather some of them, “invaded” other parts of Asia or Europe, from an Indian base. For either kind of theory, do they have really unassailable evidences at all? My sampling of these theories tells me that it is absolutely shoddy research, and contrived with questionable assumptions, bases, and even axiomatic beliefs which the concerned historians will feel too chagrined to be questioned about. Some of them think that because since they are in so and so universities, they are beyond such challenges to themselves.
Well, from the above, if you have sensed that we should not give too much importance to any ONE liguistic, cultural, racial, or other theories which are based on “evidences” which always lack that label of authenticity of observation and meaning/ interpretation. The real causes or phenomena behind certain observed events shall always remain hidden as knowable reality at any time.
Some people say, and many others uncritically accept, for their own reasons, that white skinned people are Aryans, these white skinned are far more proportionately in North India, and therefore all North Indians are “Aryans” and all Southerners are “Dravidians”. Another part of the same theory is that Brahmins are Aryans. And yet too many of these Brahmins are brown or black, whether in the North or in the South. And what do you say about fair skinned Muslims – are Muslims in the South going to be called Dravidians because Muslims are politically sought to be clubbed with Dalits, OBCs,etc.? … Arguing this way, one is at a loss to know what are the real motives of all these divisive thinking and campaigns.
I for one would like to take the best from any source, indigenous or foreign, science or religion, materialistic or spiritual work, …. etc. and enrich one’s knowledge and broaden one’s vision. I DO FIND MANY VEDIC TRUTHS CENTERING AROUND INDIVIDUAL AND UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS AS AMONG THE VERY ACME OF HUMAN, NOT JUST INDIAN, INTELLECTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS.
shema-h said
Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan,
Thankyou very much for your posts.
|| I wonder whether they ever really considered seriously in the right earnest, the possibility that the Aryans, or rather some of them, “invaded” other parts of Asia or Europe, from an Indian base.||
How true!!
That kind of understanding might well become popular soon.
Let me give an example:
Migration pattern of M17 = Origin India => goes to Middle East => somewhat bypasses Turkey and goes thru Casucasus => ends in Europe !!
And M17 is found in Kallars, Saurashtrians and Yadavas in Tamilnadu.
M17 is an established Indo-Iranian marker and considered so-called “aryan” by some.
At the same time M17 is considered a descendent of M173 (which is found highly in Turks).
Perhaps a “to-and-fro” migration pattern will emerge with time.
These kind of things might help solve probs in classifying languages too.
Let us not be surprised if a new nostratic group turns out to be the ancestor of some proto-dravidian and proto-indo-european languages.
Karthikeyan said
Thanks MuthuKaruppan!! Also my appreciations to you. Contributions such as yours make this blog worth looking for again.
Sanjam said
chumber,, why dont you start crying now? thats the only thing left for you to do.
at onset, you start abusing our gods and our religion and some communities,,
and if we try to reason it out with you, you double your efforts to spew bullshit…
even then,, most of the people who commented here, practiced patience,,, but it would deter you.
then eventually, if i started calling you,, your father,, kanshi ram,, ambedkar as rapist, racist, fascist et al,,, then you start pissing in your pants,,, and shitting in your nappies…
puch puch puch… tsk tsk tsk…. go chumber baby go,,, run to wipe your dirty arse!
lol,,,lmho,,, lmgo!
by the way, i admire Muthukaruppan Balakrishnan, for taking so much pain and sharing his wonderful thoughts on these topics. i wish there were more of Muthukaruppans among us, and we could learn a lot,,, and in a cordial manner!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!
MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .
shemahinduhappy said
shemahinduhappy said,
October 1, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ?
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So you are not against poverty as the biggest job.
You are not against corruption.
You do not want to build a better country with better roads, good water, uninteerrupted electricity, etc.
So, ofcourse for this “foremost’ job of yours, you must be a dumbedkar.
Even Ambedkar would have thrown you out.
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YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
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My Gods did not rape, there was no racism and fascism during their time. You Lie and you ask us to hate.
There is NO common man who is fed up of Gods.
We are Fed up of Dumbedkars politicians like you.
To save us from you people, we have to worship our Gods for protection.
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MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .
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You do not know what is Ramarajya.
Rama did not marry anyone ever again. This itself shows He loved Sita.
Sita and Shambuk did not commit any crimes. There was no injustice done to them. You lie and lie because of your twisted thinking.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. KARTHKEYAN ! INVENTED THE ” CHUMBERWAD ” !!!!!
MR. KARTHIKEYAN JI ! I AM A LOVER OF RATIONALITY , EQUALITY AND PARLIAMENTARY WORDS !!!!!
YOU NEVER CONDEMNED THE IRRATIONALITY , UNEQUALITY WHICH BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS INCARNATIONS INVENTED , PERSERVED AND GLORIFIED INDO-ARYANS` CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM . YOU EVEN ENJOYED THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE LIKE M/S HAPPY HINDU , SANJAM AND MANY MORE ! THIS CONFIRMS THE FILTHY BENT OF MIND OF THE VAIDIK PEOPLE !!!!!
YOU ALL VAIDIK PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE AGAINST THE RAPISM,RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT ME BUT AT THE SAME TIME ABUSE ME MERCILESSILY BECAUSE I EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS MERCILEESILY !!!!! THIS WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM WILL CONTINUE TILL ITS DESTINATION . THE TIME WILL TELL WHO IS TRUE WARRIOR AND WHO IS THE RAN-CHHOD IN THIS ETHICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL WAR AGAINST THE RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!! SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
Karthikeyan said,
September 30, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
Chumber Ji,
Now every reader knows what Chumberwadi rationality means, what Chumberwadi eqality means and what Chumberwadi parliamentary words mean.
Paul Krist said
“Another Brahmin under denail. Why can’t brahmins just read their own Manu Smrithi. You will know who created Divide and Rule. The british united India. Without the British there would be no such thing as India. It is the British who created the country called India. Hinduism is all about divisions – Jati and Varna.” >> I am a reconvert from Christianity to Hinduism, not yet changed my name. Originally my father (Dalit, no believer in God, religion, etc., ), due to poor financial circumstances, converted with entire family (5 in all) to Christianity with some money and many facilities for him and family. That was when I was a kid. I resented his act when becoming an adult myself, and he is no more. I have gone abroad and seen conditions there. There are far too many divisions in the name of religion, such as this Church, that Church, this sect, that sect, and so on, and smoldering hatred and aversion between individuals happening to fall ‘belong’ to them. When I compared this division with just four Varnas [I found Mr Muthukaruppan’s account very educative], I realized how our politicians in India have misused democracy and notions of social reform just to fatten thesmelves, by saying and doing excessive things against our own religion and its tenets that men are not identical. [Regarding fattening: I have seen Communists support labour unions, as vote bank. They help union leaders meet at periodical meetings. Union leaders projected by them ALWAYS collude with managements, and secure favours for their kith and kin with jobs, etc. SAME WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN INDIA NOWADAYS PRETENDING TO STAND FOR THIS CAUSE, THAT CAUSE, ETC. including political parties. The massive riches of Mr Karunanidhi and his numerous kith and kin have amassed crores of rupees worth of properties, misleading people to believe that they are championing the cause of oppressed people, backward people,etc. It is amazing that these people come back to power again and again! It means people can be easily fooled in this country with rhetoric, and trivial allurements with color TV etc. ] I have not seen anywhere the horror of caste inequalities these days except due to people’s differences as lethargic/ diligent, . Manu Smriti [which I don’t think even Brahmins read at least in the original] can be interpreted or misinterpreted just as Quran or Bible, and the different groups can go on fighting. The talk of Brahmin oppression of “lower castes”, historically became prominent when Hitler, misguided by some of his own pseudo scholar friends, began to call Germans as Aryans, the master race, and that this race had invented Sanskrit which was corrupted through intermixing of peoples like Gypsies, Mongols,etc. During the same period, in India, E. Vay. Ramasami, styled Periyar, and Babasaheb Ambedkar found this bizarre theme very exciting to exploit in their misguided enthusiasm to make social reforms in a highly impoverished country under the British rule which would later be thrown out by a ‘Vaishya’ Gandhi who used the Hindu God Ram’s name to unite as under Ram Rajya. Periyars, Ambedkars, and so many people, either due to genuine desire to reform society and uplift the economy, or just to get fame even by using controversial theories of Racialism, Casteism, etc., began to start movements and campaigns. These campaigns’ contributions to Independent India’s ongoing historic attempts to root out poverty, provide universal education, and ensure equal opportunity for minimum means for all, have been negative. It used to be said that India’s population and its unchecked growth are great impediments in achieving the aims fast. But what about China ? It has a poplation only slightly larger than India. But, unlike India, despite its divisions as Taoist, Confucian, Buddhist, Muslim, and racial differences, it has been able to move very fast, so much so it can offer rivalry to the Americans. It is no longer Communist, as it invites capitalism most liberally from all over the world to invest in China. The Communist rule has done one great thing for the people, which Indian democracy has utterly failed to do: unite them for a common cause to produce more so that the share of each will be maximised. In India the numerous casteist parties, religious cacophony especially from the missioaries exploiting poverty, and other divisive forces are perpetually acting as a great impediment to progress. We should stop talking casteism since this has been banned by law and opportunities are equally available for uplift for all. If people cultivate self-discipline and focus only on hard work, they will be able to throw out the evil negative forces of selfishness disguised in the form of movements and political parties with partisan goals.
Paul Krist said
I add: Hitler committed history’s worst genocide of Jews, killing about 5 million (five followed by six zeroes, fifty lakh in our number system). He made a scapegoat of this small minority, mostly conservative in their ways, calculative in money, but highly contemplative as a religion. He accused them as having polluted Germany, exploited it with its financial frauds, and so on. But Jews could not be totally eliminated in the end. Even today 80 to 90 per cent of all science and technology is based on their knowledge, theories in science. They account for the largest number of financial wizards in the West, whose advice and experise are utilized by companies. The question is, are you guys going to say they duped the rest of the people, kept all the other people inferior and exploited, and prevented them growing ? Any such theory will not just be ridiculed, their exponents will be spit at. … I do not want to make this too lengthy. But I want to point out that discipline and hardwork only can elevate individuals and societies, communities. The more you carry on negative campaigns in the name of fighting injustice, the less the incentive for the target groups of people to think of hard work and discipline. Even the Varna system is said to be based on self discipline and not birth.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I HAD ALREADY WROTE THAT THE VAIDIK INDO-ARYANS WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST GODS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES IN OCTOBER ,2008 AND IN NOVEMBER , 2008 THEY WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS TO DISCARD EVIL GODS !!!!!
shemahinduhappy said,
October 2, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
1) DALITS HAVE DISCARDED CHUMBER
Some of my extended acquaintances have spoken to scheduled-whatever people in Bangalore. The ‘dalits’ there are hindu and THEY HAVE AGREED TO DISCARD AND DENOUNCE CHUMBER IN COURT.
2) CHUMBER HATES AMBEDKAR AND MAYAWATI
I can prove this in court. Why is Chumber NOT filing a case against me?
3) CHUMBER IS MAD AND URGENTLY REQUIRES HOSPITALIZATION IN A MENTAL ASYLUM
Chumber is a Liar, Manipulator, a Malicious Cheat, a moron, narcissist and Misquotes people repeatedly. So, he diplays all qualities of a Mad Man. For barking in caps all the time, he requires urgent hospitalization because his mental balance is already loose on caps.
4) CHUMBER LOVES POVERTY AND WANTS POOR PEOPLE TO REMAIN POOR ALWAYS
Chumber has admitted that his top priority is NOT eradication of poverty. He wants people to remain poor and keep begging for reservations so that they will keep voting for him. I can prove this also in court.
5) CHUMBER IS AN UNTOUCHABLE
Dalits are NOT untouchables. Dalits are hindus. Dalits have discarded Chumber. Chumber is a liar and a mad-man who manipulates people. He is therefore an untouchable politician.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU ADMITTED THAT ” SITA AND SHAMBUK DID NOT COMMIT ANY CRIMES .”
MY QUESTIONS ARE : – THEN WHY DID KING RAMA ORDER TO BANISH PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA ? ? ? ? ? THEN WHY DID HE KILL PIOUS AND INNOCENT SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK ? ? ? ? ? .
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES WILL ANNIHILATE THE MANUWADI CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE MANUWADI SOCIO-RELIGIOUS POLITICS FOR EVER !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said ( October 1, 2008 @ 12:14 pm ) ,” Chumber,You said “NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN ”
Then why are you trying to opress women by telling that they cannot marry whom they like. You have no right to force a woman to marry a Dalit and talk like this.
MY VIEWS ; – I NEVER SAID SO THAT WOMEN CAN NOT MARRY WHOM THEY LIKE . I HAVE NEVER TALKED OF FORCE MARRIAGES . HAVE YOU ANY PROOF ? I AM FIGHTING FOR THE WOMEN RIGHTS THAT IS WHY I DO NOT SPARE EVEN THE RAPIST GODS AND YOU PEOPLE DEFEND , WORSHIP AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS . YOU PEOPLE EVEN ABUSE ME . WHY ? THE ABUSING IS NOT THE SOLUTION OF OUR PROBLEMS . I DO NOT LIKE ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE .I HATE THIS ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE BUT I REGARD YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE E-DIALOGUE .ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL also HATE YOUR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
( 2 ) MARRIAGE IS NOT POLITICS. THERE IS NOTHING CALLED INTER CASTE MARRIAGE .ANYBODY CAN MARRY ANYBODY WHOM THEY LOVE .
MY ANSWER IS :- The prince Rama and his step brothers were married to King Janak`s daughters . Is this was not politics to strenghthen the relations between two dynasties .The Rajput kings`s daughters were married to Mughal Kings for Politics . Are the marriages within same castes /varnas not politially motivated to strengthen their own caste / varna ? Your oposing intercaste / intervarna marriages is not manuwadi politics to divide the people on caste / varna basis ????? The intercaste / intervarna marriages will annihilate the manuwadi caste / varna as well as the manuwadi socio-religious politics FOR EVER !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE MANUWADI SOCIO-RELIGIOUS POLITICS AS WELL AS THE MANUWADI CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM WILL BE ANNIHILATED BY THE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES FOR EVER !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Mesquiteice said ( October 1, 2008 @ 12:14 pm ) ,” Chumber,You said “NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN ”
Then why are you trying to opress women by telling that they cannot marry whom they like. You have no right to force a woman to marry a Dalit and talk like this.
MY VIEWS ; – I NEVER SAID SO THAT WOMEN CAN NOT MARRY WHOM THEY LIKE . I HAVE NEVER TALKED OF FORCE MARRIAGES . HAVE YOU ANY PROOF ? I AM FIGHTING FOR THE WOMEN RIGHTS THAT IS WHY I DO NOT SPARE EVEN THE RAPIST GODS AND YOU PEOPLE DEFEND , WORSHIP AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS . YOU PEOPLE EVEN ABUSE ME . WHY ? THE ABUSING IS NOT THE SOLUTION OF OUR PROBLEMS . I DO NOT LIKE ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE .I HATE THIS ABUSIVE VAIDIK LANGUAGE BUT I REGARD YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE E-DIALOGUE .ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL also HATE YOUR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
( 2 ) MARRIAGE IS NOT POLITICS. THERE IS NOTHING CALLED INTER CASTE MARRIAGE .ANYBODY CAN MARRY ANYBODY WHOM THEY LOVE .
MY ANSWER IS :- The prince Rama and his step brothers were married to King Janak`s daughters . Is this was not politics to strenghthen the relations between two dynasties .The Rajput kings`s daughters were married to Mughal Kings for Politics . Are the marriages within same castes /varnas not politially motivated to strengthen their own caste / varna ? Your oposing intercaste / intervarna marriages is not manuwadi politics to divide the people on caste / varna basis ????? The intercaste / intervarna marriages will annihilate the manuwadi caste / varna as well as the manuwadi socio-religious politics FOR EVER !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
” HURRAH ! MR. KARTHIKEYAN HAS CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
Dear viewers,
You had been abusing Chumber Ji badly, no matter he deserved or not. Now he has improved his style. Request you all to post your appreciations if any for him.
I know viewers, I’m putting myself in the risk that Chumber Ji might comment in multiple posts with this title:
HURRAH ! MR. KARTHIKEYAN HAS CONDEMNED THE VAIDIK ABUSERS !!!!
and linking to this reply. Hope you will not be carried away by this usual Chumberwadi tactic.” BY MR. KARTHIKEYAN .
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE WORSHIPERS OF INDO-ARYAN RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS RAPE , KIDNAP , MURDER THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Dr. Known said ( September 30, 2008 @ 7:44 am ) ,” Govt must freely give Handguns to all Dalits and Tribals for their self-defense.
Every 18 minutes:
A crime is committed against Dalit
Every day:
* 3 Dalit women are raped
* 2 Dalits are murdered & 2 Dalits Houses are burnt
* 11 Dalits are beaten
Every week:
* 13 Dalits are murdered
* 5 Dalits home or possessions are burnt
* 6 Dalits are kidnapped or abducted
http://samatha.in/2008/08/26/being-a-dalit-in-india-facts-and-figures/
http://digg.com/world_news/Supreme_Court_s_Handgun_Ruling_Spreads
MY VIEWS : – THE ATROCITIES ON THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ARE OMNIPRESENT IN THE HINDU WORLD . EVEN THE INDO-ARYANS BEHAVE IN MANUWADI SENSE WITH OUR SOCIETY IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES ALSO !!!!! THEY FOLLOW THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS . WE MUST BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THESE EVIL GODS SO THAT THIS EVIL MENTALITY MAY BE ERADICATED !!!!!
ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE OF MY CITY BURNT THE EFFIGIES OF BRAHMA , VISHANU AND RAMA PUBLICALLY . THE NEWS PAPERS FLASHED IT ON FRONT PAGES . THE POLICE CORNERED SOME PEOPLE WHO BURNT THE EFFIGIES .I SUBMITTED SOME HINDU SCRIPTURES TO ESTABLISH THAT THEY PEOPLE BURNT THE EFFIGIES OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS . THE WISE BRAHMANS FELT SORRY AND THE POLICE DID NOT TOOK ANY ACTION .
I APPRECIATE DR. KNOWN FOR HIS VIEWS EXPRESSED . I REQUEST HIM / HER TO PARTICIPATE WHOLE HEARTEDLY SO THAT WE MAY BE BENEFITED FROM HIS VIEWS .
Karthikeyan said
Chumber Ji,
Janaka invited all kings from all of the worlds for his daughter Sita’s swayamvara. To that matter, even Indra and Ravana participated in the swayamvara. Rama got Sita’s hands because only he could win in the competition of assembling the Shiv Dhanush. All others failed.
hindushemhappy said
I HAD ALREADY WROTE THAT THE VAIDIK INDO-ARYANS WORSHIPERS OF THE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST GODS WILL BURN MY EFFIGIES IN OCTOBER ,2008 AND IN NOVEMBER , 2008 THEY WILL BURN THE EFFIGIES OF THEIR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS TO DISCARD EVIL GODS !!!!!
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Chumber,
You actually think people will waste some cheap kerosene on burning your effigy ? you seem to suffer from megalomania of disproprtionate proportions……we are replying to your dumedkar rants not for you but because other people reading this should not get carried away by your lies
The person writing these articles on dalitnation is also a malicious cowardly sub-human as you are…he won’t tell us his contact details and his name…you chumber dumbedkar will ask everybody’s legal name here. First you ask dalitnation to publish their legal name and address.
C . L . CHUMBER said
FIRST OF ALL , YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR ACTUAL CASTE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED TO BELONG DIFFERENT CASTES !!!!! SECONDLY YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR LEGAL AND ALL FICTITIOUS NAMES . THIRDLY PLEASE WRITE YOUR COMPLETE APPROACHABLE ADRESS AND EMAILS !!!!!
YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?
mesquiteice said
chumber,
You claim to be agains varna/caste system.
Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.
No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”
Jai hind
dakrishnasi said
FIRST OF ALL , YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR ACTUAL CASTE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED TO BELONG DIFFERENT CASTES !!!!! SECONDLY YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR LEGAL AND ALL FICTITIOUS NAMES . THIRDLY PLEASE WRITE YOUR COMPLETE APPROACHABLE ADRESS AND EMAILS !!!!!
YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
It is true i belong to different “castes”. Grandparents from mother’s side were given away in marriage to Tamil speaking people (arranged marriages). Strangely, none marry from Andhra, though they claimed descendency from a particular telugu nayak of yore from Srirangam-Trichy areas. So we became a mix of tamil and telugu people. My father’s (paternal) grandmum was Kannada speaking (again a carefully selected arranged marriage in those times). I do not know where i fit in – i am really casteless. And i am happy about that.
You say:
YOU SEVERAL TIMES PROMISED WITH ME THAT YOU WOULD SEND YOUR ADRESS AND EMAILS BUT YOU FAILED TO KEEP YOUR PROMISES . WHY ?
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You are an absolute liar. I had mentioned only once that I am not an Indian citizen and I do not stay in India. I had mentioned that once I get an Overseas Indian Citizen status, I will inform you. I never promised you “several times” to send an evil man like you any of my contact details.
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It is very easy to prove you as a mad man in court. But you are not our objective. We want to know who are the people behind dalitnation.
Why are the dalitnation so much pro-muslim? That is why I want YOU to file a case against me. Automatically, the police has to trace the email address of this blog owner; and find out who is this person writing these articles – is he linked to Kancha / Rajshekhar? Are he and his group truly dalit people ? Or are they simi-sponsored muslim students?
So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.
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After i post, the message repetedly comes “discarded”. I have the need to post under different names. You ask your dalitnation why they are blocking my postings, then i will write only under one name.
krhindsheiemshnadu said
chumber,
You claim to be agains varna/caste system.
Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.
No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”
Jai hind
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Mesquiteice,
Am not sure if the likes of Chumber understands there is only a ‘single caste’ called INDIAN. If they understand, then they have nothing left to make politics out of. Hence, wrote in terms that he understands. Also, he very likely is the kind that understands accusative strong-arm behaviour rather than anything else.
The likes of Chumber might not realize that there is nothing called perfection in any religion, or for that matter in anything within and without, either. Perfection, perhaps is just a state of mind when one feels happiness for no reason.
The likes of Chumber also need to understand that their sick versions of stories of gods might do their cause more harm than good. There cud be ppl like me who did not exactly grow up praying to gods, with an inclination towards a kind of yoga rather than any external worship, but who ended up doing a turn around of sorts when they were asked to beleive that their gods were evil beings.
The likes of Chumber will hopfully realize that insulting hindu sentiments by churning out stories that do not conform to present-day sensibilites, is not the way to oneness.
In the present era of liberalization there is no room for caste – it will be gone anyways, since it was never meant to exist in the first place; neither did it ever exist in ‘reality’. But only politicians want it to stay – what for? Can we not be happy just being INDIAN ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE VAIDIK HINDUS SPEAK THE VAIDIK ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
dakrishnasi said,
October 8, 2008 @ 10:20 am
So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.
SanJam said
and mr chumber, you and your pets can bark for the rest of your lives,,,,
PRIVATE SECTOR,,, IT SECTOR,,, OR ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES MERIT AND IS NOT CONTROLLED BY GOVT,,, WILL NEVER EVER BE BROUGHT UNDER QUOTA!
RESERVATIONS IN PRIVATE SECTOR MEAN THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO PEE IN EVERY FUCKIN SOURCE OF PURE WATER THAT WE HAVE?
SORRY CHUMBER,,,, THIS AINT GONNA HAPPEN,,, FOR ONCE,,, JUST SETTLE WITH THE IDEA OF WORKING HARD,, LEARNING SMART,,, AND EARN YOUR LIVING,,, WITHOUT TRYING TO BARK AT OTHERS OR SNATCH IT FROM DESERVING PEOPLE….
I KNOW DALITS IN IT INDUSTRY,,, THEY LEARNED,, THEY WORKED,,, THEY CLIMBED UP IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR….
THATS HOW IT WILL WORK,,, AND THATS HOW ONE SHOULD TOIL TO EARN A LIVING.
DID YOUR BLOODY AMBEDKAR TELL YOU TO BEG FOR EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS?
i dont expect a logical answer from chumber or his pets,,, coz his standard reply would be:
“followers of rapist, racist, fascist gods control the IT industry,,, brahmins will never allow dalits to join private sector,,,,etc etc etc etc…”
oh chumber,,, you are so predictable! shshshsshshshh……
SanJam said
As it is typical to chumber’s ways, comments of a sane guy called paul krist have been comfortably ignored!
chumber,,, you are a sour loser!
paul, no need to get your hands dirty by typing at this dog-shit blog….
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE HAVE NO CASTE THEN WHY YOU OPPOSE INTERCASTE / INTERVARNA MARRIAGES AND ABUSE ME ? ? ? ? ?
mesquiteice said,
October 8, 2008 @ 6:11 am
chumber,
You claim to be agains varna/caste system.
Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.
No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”
Jai hind
C . L . CHUMBER said
YOU MAY FILE A COMPLAINT TO POLICE AGAINST ANYBODY TO WHOM YOU HAVE COMPLAINT . YOU NEED NOT TO ABUSE ANYBODY FOR THIS !!!!!
dakrishnasi said,
October 8, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Why are the dalitnation so much pro-muslim? That is why I want YOU to file a case against me. Automatically, the police has to trace the email address of this blog owner; and find out who is this person writing these articles – is he linked to Kancha / Rajshekhar? Are he and his group truly dalit people ? Or are they simi-sponsored muslim students?
So, we want you to file a case of abuse with the police, so the investigation can happen. i have nothing against you personally. But you file a case, then talk.
dakrishsina said
krhindsheiemshnadu said,
October 11, 2008 @ 7:10 am
chumber,
You claim to be agains varna/caste system.
Why are you asking for castes. Do you talk only to people who have caste.
No body here belongs to any caste. We have only one caste “INDIAN”
Jai hind
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Mesquiteice,
Am not sure if the likes of Chumber understands there is only a ‘single caste’ called INDIAN. If they understand, then they have nothing left to make politics out of. Hence, wrote in terms that he understands. Also, he very likely is the kind that understands accusative strong-arm behaviour rather than anything else.
The likes of Chumber might not realize that there is nothing called perfection in any religion, or for that matter in anything within and without, either. Perfection, perhaps is just a state of mind when one feels happiness for no reason.
The likes of Chumber also need to understand that their sick versions of stories of gods might do their cause more harm than good. There cud be ppl like me who did not exactly grow up praying to gods, with an inclination towards a kind of yoga rather than any external worship, but who ended up doing a turn around of sorts when they were asked to beleive that their gods were evil beings.
The likes of Chumber will hopfully realize that insulting hindu sentiments by churning out stories that do not conform to present-day sensibilites, is not the way to oneness.
In the present era of liberalization there is no room for caste – it will be gone anyways, since it was never meant to exist in the first place; neither did it ever exist in ‘reality’. But only politicians want it to stay – what for? Can we not be happy just being INDIAN ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU FINALLY ADMITTED ,” OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST ” !!!!!
THEN BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ( WHO WERE RAPIST,RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AS PER SCRIPTURES OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS ) ARE NOT THE GODS OF MODERN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIKS !!!!! NOW M/S. HAPPY HINDUS WILL DISCOVER OR INVENT THEIR NEW GODS . I HOPE THEIR NEW INVENTED / DISCOVERED GODS WILL BE DEADLY AGAINST THE RAPE AND CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
shhhapinendupy said,
October 10, 2008 @ 2:58 am
MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
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Mr.Dumbedkar,
Post was to Mesquiteice. But i am writing in between. Want to tell you that you are a liar. OUR GODS WERE NEITHER RAPISTS NOR RACIST NOR FASCIST . It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this: It is mullahs-commies-missionaries who are making up and propagating all lies about hindusim, to create divisions. And dumedkar politicians like you want to make a living out of it. For once, drop your politician stand, be with yourself for a few min and listen to this:
mesquiteice said
dakrishsina,
You said “But only politicians want it to stay – what for? ”
Because they cannot control happy and contended people. They will have no work. No power ( consequntly no loot booty)
They want the child to remain hungry, so that they can feed them. Even if the child in not hungr, they will make it cry and create a story that it is hungry and feed milk.
I do not know about chumber. May be he is one of those chaps who have got caught between ideologies of various people (without an ideology of his own). That up to him.
But in any event, what we should not do is that allow him to feel that what he is doing is right? His statements abusing others religion/ beliefs and degrading the respect of the judiciary etc, even if done innocently, cannot be allowed to be established as correct. We dont care about one rotten apple.
We are worried about the one rotten apple spoiling other apples.
Jai Hind
hindushemhappy said
YOU MAY FILE A COMPLAINT TO POLICE AGAINST ANYBODY TO WHOM YOU HAVE COMPLAINT . YOU NEED NOT TO ABUSE ANYBODY FOR THIS !!!!!
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Chumber,
yes i realized that late.
i relaized that you full of hot air like a balloon and need just a small prick in your massive ego to be deflated.
it realized that your self-esteem is so low that even abuses cannot make you to go and file a case.
i realized that you are the biggest coward in india fooling people in the garb of a petty politician.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
You said “MR. MESQUITEICE ! WHY DO NOT YOU VAIDIK PEOPLE ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOUR VAIDIK INDO-ARYAN GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST AND FASCIST EVILS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN SCRIPTURS ? ? ? ? ?-C . L. CHUMBER
My answer: Simple. 1) Nobody believes in stories of hatered and fault finding
2) We respect others beliefs. We dont want disturb them
3) We dont want to hate each other based on stories
By the way the thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.
There are stories that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old!.
Are you telling that we should talk bad about the prophet based on a false story like the above. You should be ashamed to talk bad about the prophet because all Muslims believe that Muhammad was sinless in the sense of transmitting the revelation.
I would rather believe that he was a good person rather than a bad person, because there are so many people who believe he is good. One insane guy writing bad things cannot defeat the faith of all our muslim brothers and sisters.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ELEPHANTS DO NOT BOTHER THE BARKING DOGS !!!!!
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:21 am
it realized that your self-esteem is so low that even abuses cannot make you to go and file a case.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
hindushemhappy said,
October 14, 2008 @ 1:11 am
If you and the owner of this blog do not give your name and address within the next 3 days, then a FIR will be filed against you for sedition, anti-Indian government stand, hurting religious sentiments and inciting communal divide.
If we cannot find this blog’s owner / writer, then you Chumber will face charges for both of you together.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE GOING TO COURT TO LOOSE THE LEGAL BATTLE !!!!!
hindushemhappy said
I AM READY TO DARE CHALLENGE THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFIERS OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND INVENTORS OF THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! I AM READY TO DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NOT SURRENDER TO THE BARBARIAN INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS !!!!! THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLWERS WILL BE FOUGHT IN THE COURTS ACCORDING TO THE DR. AMBAWDEKAR @ DR. AMBEDKAR`S CONSTITUTION !!!! ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES ARE READY FOR REFERENCES .A PERSON WHO HAVE NOT ONE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS IS GOING TO FILE A CASE . HE HAS PUBLISHED MY TWO EMAILS ADDRESSES IN THIS BLOG . BUT HE DID NOT DARE TO PUBLISH HIS OWN EMAIL ADRESSES IN THIS BLOG .COME ON !!!!!
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Chumber,
I had already published my name and blog address on this site, but your blog owner removed it. Ask him why.
Next, i am only sending a lawyer’s notice to both of you.
You talk tooooooo much. Give your address. Give this blog owner’s name and address. Then talk.
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THE ELEPHANTS DO NOT BOTHER THE BARKING DOGS !!!!!
THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE GOING TO COURT TO LOOSE THE LEGAL BATTLE !!!!!
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You are neither wise nor a vegetarian to call yourself an Elephant. Court will anyways order you to spend time in a mental asylum. Keep barking until then.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WILL EXPOSE THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS SO THAT THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS WILL EITHER DISCARD THEM OR WILL SUICIDE LIKE KING RAMA IN DEPPRESSION !!!! SOME OF THEM ARE NOW FREQUENTLY ABUSE IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
mesquiteice said,
October 15, 2008 @ 8:10 am
Chumber,
Dont think anybody who drinks poison is socrates. Even if socrates did not drink poison, he would still be a great man. UNDERSTAND
All That Glitters Is Not Gold
Paul Krist said
‘THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!
MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? … ‘
==>> THERE ARE NO GODS EXCEPT IN THE FORM OF PARTY LEADERS WHO HAVE MADE PEOPLE GODLESS WITHOUT AN IOTA ETHICS AND MORALIITY AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF SOCIETY’S GOOD.Today’s ‘gods’ of this group comprise all those politicians who garnered votes by appealing to castes, and by appearing to be admirers and champions of the causes of ‘religious minorities’ while merely abusing and ridiculing native, grown culture and religions. Lalu, Mayavati, Karunanidh, Paswan, Karat, Yechury, Y Samuel Reddy, …. are themselves or the protectors of racists, rapists, fascists, and other deviish criminals using ill-gotten political power. All those duped by these elements and those who have ‘fallen’ due to their influences
The Indian society represents the most ancient of all culture and native religions. Buddhism is just a branch of the Vedic Hinduism, although it thought it better to evolve its own religio-philosophical thinking for building civilizations in the East, WITHOUT the concept of the Brahman, or the individual-cum-cosmic self, at its core. As it turned out, Buddhism has shed the manual (or the Sudra Buddhism and recognizes, implicitly, THREE VARNAS – the Spiritual as Monks; the Royal as the Ruling class; and the trading-industrial as the Third community – for all HUMANITY. This modified Hinduism as Buddhism was practised and learnt by Asians from several countries like China, Srilanka, Japan, etc. through discipline and practice in big universiities with vast Ashrams. In this way, BUDDHISM, UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY WITH ITS VIRULENT AND UNRIGHTEOUS EVANGELISM OF CHRISTIANITY WHICH TOOK HOLD AFTER JESUS DIED, NEVER IMPOSED ITSELF, but it was welcomed in a proactive manner by Asians.
Japanese civilization continues to be vibrant and highly fertile due to Buddhistic tenets and practices having taken deepest roots in the very psyche of the people. The mighty Chinese have at present adopted a non-religious (not IR-RELIGIOUS) form of governance for purpose of concentrating on materialistic growth as a superpower in order to act as an Eastern bulwark against the Christian machinations to ‘plant the cross’ (and ruin the East culturally and in every sense.) Its civilzation historically and current culture are permeated by Buddhistic psyche married to the indigenous Taoist and Confucian philosophies. South Korea, once a great civilization due to the spread of Buddhism there, today has been shattered and devastated with materialism and religious hatred by Christian deceptions and conversions, and frontal attacks on Budhist holy places and followers. There is of course retalliation. In India, the daredevil anti-Hindu propaganda of numerous ‘missions’ enormously funded by the West is going on, and the people are revolting naturally due to their pride and self-respect. THESE MISSIONS SAY THE TRIBALS, SCHEDULED CASTES AND ‘DALITS’ ARE WAITING FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, and the mercenaries start with hatred of other religions and their deities and tenets, as their first attempt to inject ‘Love of Jesus’ in these sections. A repeat of South Korea shall not be permitted here on Indian soil.
So you ask what is the relevance of Buddhism and Christian deception ? Yes, that is precisely the most relevant question. I begin by saying I am a former Christian, back sweet-home Hinduism. I concluded that what my father did was a deception to deceive the deceivers, by receiving their bribes to betray the greatest religion on earth in which it was his fortune to be born. That was not wrong, in that sense. Hence I brought a whole family back home to Hinduism. I like it, I love it for the numerous family religious functions and public festivals and the temples with a deity with a ‘concentrated power’ to goad you to action and get a particular benefit in your life. You guys allowed yourself to be misguided by hate mongers and society-dividers such as the cheap missionaries, without ever bothering to know what our religion is, what its symbols, institutions of marriage, worship and spirituality, mean. YOU ARE WELCOME TO ENJOY THE WARMTH OF YOUR HOME CULTURE WHICH IS FUSED INSEPARABLY FROM HINDUISM. I have read a translation of a Bhagavad Gita sloka, which says that other Dharmas (religions) are true like yours, but to get fascinated by propaganda and embrace a different faith is not given to man, and if he tries, he will come to grief. But yes, I agree, there are a majority of Hindus – and other Indians – who are poor. Uplifting their condition is an economic, not mercenaries’, problem, which society and government have to tackle. It is nonsensical to bring in castes (which as I read somewhere on this blog as a tribal hangover from Africa) and denigrate your own religion, and then speed fast to hell. The various episodes you allude to, and the various textual references from Hindu scripture and other texts have to be learned as to their symbolism and meaning from a learned unbiassed Pundit, not a mercenary Christian or other religious zealot intent upon ‘converting’ your faith. Faith is spiritual, and perhaps very few religions are rooted in spirituality, but Christianity is NOT one of the few.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. MESQUITEICE !
ONE DAY YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO APPRECIATE MY RATIONAL STEAD FAST STAND AGAINST ON RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AS WELL AS CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM !!!!! ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE TO CONDEMN SEVERLY THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS !!!!! IT IS SHAMEFUL THAT THE HAPPY HINDUS TYPE ILLOGICAL VAIDIK PEOPLE ABUSE ME WITHOUT ANY REASON . BUT I AM PROUD OF MYETHICAL STAND !!!!!
mesquiteice said,
October 15, 2008 @ 8:35 am
Chumber,
congrats on your improvement.
You have now started to see good things in a person who the whole world feels to be bad?
You have now understood that nobody is bad and even bad people are good.
I like this and is appreciated.
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR VIEWERS !
MR.PAUL KRIST SEND HIS VIEWS ( October 16, 2008 @ 2:52 pm ) ON MY WRITNG ” THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY ” ( September 30, 2008 @ 8:04 pm ) .SINCE
IT IS 16 DAYS LATE WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE , THEREFORE I AM COMPELLED TO REPRODUCE IT FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE VIEWERS TO ANALYSE . I WILL REPLY ON MR.PAUL KRIST`S VIEWS TOMMORROW IN DETAIL . THANKS.
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 30, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
THIS IS NOT RAM RAJY !!!!
MY FOREMOST JOB IS TO EXPOSE EVIL RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!! IS THEIR ANY OTHER BIG JOB THAN EXPOSING THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? YOU ALREADY CLAIMED THAT EVERY ONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM EXCEPT CHUMBER .THEN WHY NOT YOU HATE THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ? ? MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! COMMON MAN IS FED UP WITH THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
MR. HAPPY HINDUS ! THIS IS NOT RAM RAJYA .NOW EVERY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED WOMAN HAS EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE MEN . NOW NO ONE CAN BANISH OR DIVORCE HIS WIFE ON HIS OWN WILL. THERE ARE COURTS TO DECIDE DIVORCE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THE LAND . RAMA WAS A DICTATORIAL KING . IN HIS KINGDOM THERE WAS NO APPEAL ,LAWYER AND REASONIG !!!!! THAT IS WHY SITA AND SAINT SHAMBUK WERE NOT INFORMED THEIR CRIMES !!!!! WILL YOU PEOPLE WISH TO RESTABLISH THIS TYPE RAM RAJY WHERE PIOUS AND INNOCENT SITA AND SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK WERE BANISHED AND MURDERED BY DICTATORIAL RAMA RESPECTIVELY .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/#comment-2584
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
I hope that you start behaving yourself in a secular country and respect others beliefs also.
The sooner the better!
C . L . CHUMBER said
I DO NOT RESPECT THE THE BELIEFS WHICH RECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS AS GODS !!!!! I HATE THESE EVIL BELIEFS !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
October 18, 2008 @ 4:56 am
Chumber,
I hope that you start behaving yourself in a secular country and respect others beliefs also.
The sooner the better!
lavanya said
I DO NOT RESPECT THE THE BELIEFS WHICH RECOGNIZES THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST PERSONS AS GODS !!!!! I HATE THESE EVIL BELIEFS !!!!!
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Mesquiteice, Karthikeyan and all,
From now on, please do not bother to post anything to this guy Chumber.
No talking anymore. Only legal recourse.
If you want to do something, then make this guy Chumber give his address.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
a belief is a belief
your belief is evil to me and my belief may be evil to you.
But the difference is only in our beliefs not in reality. It will just take a moment to change our beliefs(if we have the brains). The beliefs are linked to certain conditioning that our brains have undergone.
On a general analysis, your state of mind appears to be that of a “Stubborn Child”. The foward caste lady who slapped you created a misbelief in you that she slapped you because she was of a foward caste.
But even then you are wrong. Maybe she would have slapped you even if you were a forward caste.
Did she ever ask for your caste before slapping? THINK
Any way i have no problems with your beliefs, because that is personal to you.
I like Shahrukh Khan, you may not like. But who are you to tell that i should not like shahrukh khan because you dont like him.
On the other hand, when you want me to accept your beliefs, why dont you accept my beliefs. Your problems seems to be that you talk more than you think.
Please use your thinking cause for fruitful purposes.
If you keep disrespecting and abusing others beliefs, what are you going to get
Paul Krist said
Mr Chumber, I am interested in knowing the views of those who hold different or opposite views. I hope you agree that this approach to knowledge is rational. I am therefore awaiting your studied views visavis what I have said, with particular keenness. I don’t mean you should hurry up overly, however. Thank you.
mesquiteice said
HH,
Should we forsake our perseverance for chumber’s indifference.
I know one thing. Chumber will not give his address to you for filing a lawsuit.
in fact i asked his address for sending a gift, he has not given his full address, how will he give you for filing a lawsuit.
He himself knows that if he come to court, at the least he would be hauled up of contempt of courts.
Just forget getting his address. He is not going to give you.
But he will still continue to reap the reward for spreading hatered. However, we should not forget that it will only take a moment for him to start loving others rather than hating.
Time is a great teacher and we shall wait.
Paul Krist said
In my opinion it will be futile to expect any stimulation for thinking meaningfully on any topic, if we pit ourselves against Mr Chumber on the other side of the debate. I TAKE LEAVE OF ALL OF YOU, FRIENDS.
mesquiteice said
Paul krist,
While I do not accept your opinion, I understand your frustration because your well thought out and well reasoned opinions are falling into deaf ears.
But I just want to tell you one thing brother, a diamond is always a diamond even if its value is diminished by people who do not understand its value. No matter what you do to it is invaluable. All it needs is to fall in sight of a person who knows its value.
I wish to tell you that your rational views and reasons (like diamonds) will remain a reference(adorn) to all those who read this blog in the future. Although it may not have created the impact that you expected to create in chumber, Every time some one directs a small ray light (reason) on your diamonds, they will create so much of light to people that will dispel their darkness(ignorance) away.
Jai Hind
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! HUMANISTS AMONG INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK GODS WILL SUPPORT CHUMBER TO ANNIHILATE THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!
Dilip Muralidaran said,
October 24, 2008 @ 8:41 am
Then you will have human rights activists come and side with chumber on the blaring problems created by HINDU caste system and support him.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY WORDS WHICH I NEVER WROTE !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
October 28, 2008 @ 11:25 am
Chumber,
Your Manusmirity says:
I NEVER WROTE ANY MANUSIMRITY . MY CHUMBER-SIMRITY IS UNDER PREPARATION AND WILL BE OUT IN 2009 AD .-C.L.CHUMBER
55. Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their own) welfare.
BRAHMA TRIED HIS BEST TO RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTER .BRAHMA DESERTED HIS WAS AND ABDUCTED A GUJJAR BACKWARD CLASS GIRL TO BE HIS WIFE . RAMA ALSO BANISHED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA .KRISHNA ALSO DESERTED HIS WIFE RUKAMANI AND THE HINDUS WORSHIP HIM WITH HIS BELOVED RADHA . SITA`S BROTHER-IN-LAW LAKSHMAN BROUGHT HER TO FOREST TO IMPLEMENT THE RAM`S BANISHMENT ORDER .-C.L.CHUMBER
56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.
BRAHMA`S WIFE CURSED HIM FOR DOING SACRED RITES WITHOUT HER.RAMA ALSO DID SACRED RITES AFTER BANISHING HIS WIFE SITA . -C.L.CHUMBER
57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers
THE DAYNASTIES OF BOTH RAM AND KRISHAN PERISHED DUE TO THEIR MISBEHAVES TO WIVES .KRISHAN WAS KILLED BY A TRIBAL HUNTER AND RAM SUICIDED WITH LAKSHMAN .THERE IS NO TEMPLE OF BRAHMA EXCEPT AT PUSHKAR ( RAJASTHAN ) .-C.L.CHUMBER
58. The houses on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by magic.
INDIA IS NOT WORLD POWER DUE TO INJUSTICE TO WOMEN OF ALL VARNAS/ RELIGIONS AND ABORIGINAL INDIANS .-C.L.CHUMBER
How do you say that it asks you to rape others?
PLEASE READ THE COMPLETE MANU SIMRITY . I AM AGAINST RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS .PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY WORDS WHICH I NEVER WROTE . YOU HAD LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY !!!!!-C.L.CHUMBER
Paul Krist said
Dear mesquiteice said, Ref: Your posting of Oct 28. I thank you for pointing out that we can hope thoughts said after due reflection, regardless of agreement or disagreement, will also reach others who can place them in perspective and help dispel the gloom of ignorance, audacity, impunity and inveterate abusive mentality of some, and further enlighten the others who are not fully informed or clear. Thank you.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
grow up!
I am calling it as “Your Manusmrity” because you were the one who posted it?
OK! Answer this.
How do i know that all that thing you are writing is only manusmrity and not chumber smrity?
I do not know any manu nor any other writer as to who wrote it.
As far as I know, you only published this in this blog. Therefore in that context you should take responsiblity for it. You are the one who believes this to be true and seem to explain the words in such detail as though you only wrote it.
What if you have changed some words and are publishing this just to suit you requirements.
You should write only things for which you can take responsiblity.
I WILL NOT READ even one bit of manusmrity, since you are not taking responsibility. I dont know any manu and nor can i dialouge with him. I will read chumber smrity as and when it is published and then discuss with you. If you take responsibility then only i will read it. I dont belive that what you are writing is only manusmrity. You are lying through your teeth.
I am not answering any thing from Manusmrity unless someone takes responsiblity.
Please forget “BRAHMA”. I dont know who brahma is and if at all he did the things you told.
Why are you hating everybody today because some one told you that one brahma did some thing wrong (do you know when!).
Wake Up!
C.L .CHUMBER said
INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS ARE GOING TO FORGET BRAHMA ! ! ! ! !
BUT DO NOT DISCARD HIM AND CONDEMN HIS MISDEEDS LIKE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM ! ! ! ! !
Mesquiteice said,
November 6, 2008 @ 5:52 am
Chumber,
grow up!
Please forget “BRAHMA”. I don`t know who Brahma is and if at all he did the things you told.
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Dont beat around the bush and beg for sympathy. whatever, you want to e-dialogue tell me clearly.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WE NEED NOT SYMPATHY OF THOSE WHO WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK HINDU FALSE GODS OR YESMAN / YESWOMAN OF THEIR FOLLOWERS OR JOIN THE TEAM WHICH ABUSE THOSE WHO DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS !!!!! THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR – LOVE THE TRUTH AND HATE THE LIE !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .
* Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.
Be you never so high , the law is above above you. – Thomas Fuller
Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller
The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It .
Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor
Let justice be done , though the heavens fall.- William Watson , 1602 AD .
C.L .CHUMBER said
SITA WAS NON-VIOLENT AND SHE WAS AGAINST RAM`S WAR AGAINST RAKSHAS WITHOUT ANY REASON !!!!!
Valmiki Ramayana – Aranya Kanda in Prose Sarga 9
Seetha foresees danger in Rama’s decision to eliminate the demons in Dandaka forest, without any provocation from their side, at the request of some sages. She narrates an old episode about a sage who in possession of a weapon became violent and cruel.
To Rama, the scion of Raghu and her husband, who started out when permitted by Sage Suteekshna, Vaidehi spoke this with friendly words.
Seetha addresses Rama with this percept. “Wielding weaponry you are entering into an area where the demons are dense, and you intolerantly embark to kill them, thereupon we two get separated, which in turn is intolerable to you. So let us leave weapons back at hermitage and go to forests to see sages – Govindaraja. “The promise made to sages in eradicating demons is himsaatmaka, injurious; they can be won over by ahimsa, non-injurious methods also. None can avert Rama to make a promise, nor ask him to deviate from it. Aware of this stubbornness of Rama, her heart felt a foreboding, and that love-blind Seetha started telling in a friendlily manner, in view of her friendship with Rama, that may disrupt soon.
“Gross unjust will accrue to any in an abstruse way if his indulgence is enkindled merely by his own desire, and in this world it is possible to fend them off, to have a recourse to justness…
For the first word adharma of Gorakhpur version, there are other words available in other mms like yastu dharmam tu and ayam dharma . The critical editions and also Dharmaakuutam puts it as ayam dharmaH susuuksmeNa vidhinaa praapyate mahaan… Instead of adharma, ayam dharma is there, which changes the negative attitude to positive Then this ayam dharmaH translates as ‘this dharma, the duty of a prince, which you are going to take-up in the wake of promise given to sages, i.e., killing demons, without a valid reason, that which is righteous to you, can be performed in a different way…’
“Only three self-gratifications, the definite products of desire, are there: one is speaking fallacious utterances, which itself is worse, and worst than the other two malefic self-gratifications, where the other two are the fascination for other’s wife, and the cruelness without enmity…
Seetha is foretelling the triggering points in the course of Ramayana. The addictions or self-gratifying acts are defined as:
m®ga y˜kÿ˜ div˜ svapna× pari v˜da× striyo mada×|
taurya trikamv®th˜ a÷y˜ ca k˜maja× daþako guõa× ||manu sm®ti
mR^igayaakshaa= hunting game; divaa svapnaH= day dreaming – sleeping in daytime; pari vaada= abusing others; striyaomadaH= indulgence in women; taurya trikam=artistic impulses, three of them; vR^ithaa aTyaa ca= wasteful wandering, also; kaamajaH= desire produced; dashako guNaH= ten, traits.
Hunting, sleeping in daytime, abusing others, indulgence in women, three artistic impulses namely music, dance and drama, wasteful wandering, are the ten desire. Manu smriti.
“The habit of telling specious words is not there with you in the past nor it will be there in future, oh, Raghava, then wherefrom the virtue-ruining desire for other’s women can be there… Oh, king, earlier this vile desire for other’s women is absent in you, nor it is there now, unobserved is such a desire in any corner of your heart oh, prince, for you are always interested in your own wife… You are conscientious, adherent of truth, and obliging father’s orders, and in you virtue and truth, nay everything is established in you…
“Oh, dextrous one, all this can possibly be shouldered by one with controlled senses, and oh, graceful one for a gaze, I am also aware of your sense control…
The compound mahaabaahoshakyam is also cleaved as mahaa baaho a + shakyam, meaning that ‘your attributes are impossible to be known even by the self-controlled sages, but they are known to me…’ so says Seetha.
“That third tendency to torture others’ lives without enmity, that which will usually be effectuated unwarily, has now suddenly chanced before you… Intending to safeguard the sages you have promised the dwellers in Dandaka forest, oh, valiant one, that you would eliminate demons in a fight… Only in this respect you have started towards the well-known Dandaka forest along with your brother, and wielding bow and arrows…Then on seeing your starting my mind is apprehensively upset, on verily reflecting about your bearing there appears to be no beneficial good for you…
This last compound of second foot where nisH shreyasam hitam is available in Gorakhpur version. In Eastern version it is bhaven niHshreyasam hi tat and in other older scripts it is: tv˜m caiva prasthitam d®ÿ÷v˜ r˜ma cint˜luma mana×| sarvata× cintayanty˜ me tava ni×þreyasam n®pa|| Dharmaakuutam puts this wording as: niHshreyasam mahat. It is similar in critical editions also bhaven niHshreyasa.n hitam Dharmaakuutam defines this expression as, anena bhart®u hitak˜riõy˜ bh˜ryay˜ þreyo bhavatŸti s¨citam|| In any way, Seetha’s contemplation is, “you abide by your oath given to sages, and thus kill the demons. But without a cause you do not proceed to eliminate. If a cause for quarrel is to be there, that will be due to me. If I become the cause and depart you, you cannot survive without me, for you are not a polygamist. So how all these factors like your promise, monogamy, and eliminating demons, can be resolved by you? Thus I am thinking along with the associated troubles which you are going to undergo…”
“Oh, brave one, your going towards Dandaka forest is not delightful to me, I tell the cause for that and listen to it as I tell… Indeed on entering the forest along with your brother, and wielding bow and arrows, seeing the forest ramblers there, won’t you deplete arrows on all of them… The bow of warrior and the fuel of a burning fire if available within their reach, they immensely enhance their strength…
“Once upon a time, oh, dextrous one, there was a pious and true worded hermit in some merited forest that was wonted by animals and birds. Then Indra came to that hermitage handling a sword, and donning a soldier’s guise, to cause hindrance to that hermit’s ascesis… Indra gave that best sword to store, there in that hermitage to that sage who is lasting in his ascesis, on a redeemable basis.
“On receiving that sword, he who is duteous in guarding the entrustment, moved about in the forest always handling the sword, to safeguard the confidence reposed in him. Wherever that dedicated guardian of that entrustment goes, even to obtain tubers or fruits, he did not go without that sword. Carrying that sword always, that hermit slowly made his own faculty infuriated, loosing determination in ascesis. Then with the constant association of that weapon that sage gradually became inadvertent, and smitten by vice he went to hell.
“Thus, all this happened earlier, only owing the reason of associating with a weapon constantly, and the sequel of constant association with weapon is as good as constant association with fire. In affinity and in respect I am reminding but not tutoring you, and in anyway improper is that thought of yours to wield your bow to kill the demons dwelling in Dandaka without any enmity, oh, brave one, undesirable is the killing of offenceless. For the valiant Kshatriya-s who are inclined in forests heartily, the purpose of the bow is this much ‘safeguarding the sufferers…’
There are some conflicting reviews on this stanza. It is said in the first foot vaneSu niyata aatmaanaam But older mms contain sva dharmeSu nirata aatmaanaam will be found, while Dharmaakuutam and Eastern versions have it as vaneSu nirata only. This Gorakhpur version and critical editions are having as vaneSu niyata The meaning in other versions is that Kshatriya-s should delight in their class-oriented righteousness, even when in forests. Thus Seetha’s thinking is that they should live like hermits in forests, without resorting to the warring attributes of Kshatriya class. In the second foot she says that the function of bow is limited to ‘safeguard the suffering lot…’ In the next chapter at 3-10-3, Rama retorts with the same expression in answering Seetha.
“Where that weapon? Where this forest? Where the principles of Kshatriya? And where is sageness? All this is inconsistent… let us esteem the laws of the land… Weapon admiring mind becomes maligned with avariciousness, you may therefore follow the tenet of Kshatriya-s on going to Ayodhya again…
“Everlasting satisfaction will be there to my father-in-law and mothers-in-laws, on your becoming a devout sage even after forfeiture of kingdom… From virtuousness prosperity emanates, from righteousness happiness, and by honourableness all are achieved, and this universe is the essence of probity… Experts will make efforts to exhaust their own selves with those and those principles, thus they realise sublimity… unachievable is pleasure by pleasuring alone…
“Always tread along the righteousness with a pure mind, oh, gentle one, and specially in these sagely forests… you know everything in all the three worlds, in all its nuances… I cite all this with my womanly waver, and who is capable to talk to you about dharma? Ponder mindfully along with your brother, and what that is appropriate, you do it…but not belatedly…
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Seetha’s dilemma
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This particular chapter is an interesting juncture in Ramayana, where Seetha reminds about the question of triggering cause for Rama’s waging a war against demons. Seetha’s doubt is well explained in Dharmaakuutam, the encyclopaedic commentary on Ramayana. A number of pages are allotted there for this chapter, and it is said there, that if Seetha is said to be self-contradictory in telling Rama that bow and arrows are a must to Kshatriya-s to protect the helpless when saying ‘safeguard the sufferers, then only Kshatriya-s should use their bow…” as at verse 3-9-26 above, and also questioning immediately at 3-9-27, ‘where the Kshatriya dharma, where the hermit’s way of living…’ etc., dharmaakuutam says not so. She is not contradicting herself in her statements, but asking Rama to have a cause, without resorting to weaponry against those demons, in a straightforward way. ata× tad rakÿaõ˜ya ˜yudhamna gr˜hyam iti etad abhipr˜yakatv˜t ||
She is inquisitive to know why Rama alone shall raise the bow and arrows against some demons hurting some sages. These sages are having super powers and Indra like celestial chiefs are coming to these sages to take them to heaven with their mortal bodies. Can’t they eliminate these demons? But these super hermits are not going to heaven, which is the minimum ambition of any penance, but requesting Rama to protect them from demons. And Rama obligingly started to wage this unilateral war, where any war requires a triggering point. Can’t the super sages eliminate these demons, with their powers acquired by their penances? This is the question of Seetha. For this, Rama replies so convincingly in the next chapter, saying that the sages cannot issue forth a curse at the demons, in the course of their penance.
Sage Vishvamitra, though being a furious sage, once sought the help of Rama to counter the Demoness Tataka. And Rama rendered it. Now also these sages do not waste their powers at the mischievous demons, but ask Rama to safeguard their interests, for Rama is the king, whether he may be in capital or in forests.
Secondly, Rama is subjected to the throne of Ayodhya, now being held by his brother Bharata, and as a loyalist to that throne, Ram should act in accordance with the rules of his kingdom. This area Dandaka forests is under the ambit of their own kingdom. So Rama has to perform the deeds suitable to their kingdom. When killing Vali, Rama speaks to Vali – “all this area is under our kingdom, now held by Bharata, and it is my duty to act in accordance with the decree of that throne…”
“Regarding the cause, Seetha’s doubt comes true and she alone becomes the ultimate cause for Rama, to wage the final war with Ravana.
Thus, this is the 9th chapter in Aranya Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana, the First Epic poem of India.
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/aranya/sarga9/aranya_9_prose.htm
C.L .CHUMBER said
HURRAH !
MR. HAPPY HINDU @ LAVANYAMURA @ LAVANYA ( AND MANY MORE ILLEGAL NAMES ! ) ADMITTED FINALLY THAT BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS ” In hindu texts, those that have raped have only been burned to ashes.” !!!!!
BUT HE NEVER DISCARD HIS ABUSIVE VEDIK LANGUAGE ,” Barking dogs try to bite but can never bite.”
OUR TRUE GOD WON OVER THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS AND GLORIFY OF RAPISTS , RACIST , FASCIST AND FALSE INDO-ARYAN VEDIK GODS ULTIMATELY !!!!!
SATYA MEV JAYATEY BY E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
Dr. M.R.Satish Rao said
Dear Friends,
I have been following the conversations here for some time.
As a clinical psychaitrist working as a registrar in Manchester NHS hospital, I can clearly pronounce that Mr C.L.Chumber has gone insane based on the evidence available through his posts. He needs help and compassion. I wish to ask the people here if they know the family members of Mr C.L.Chumber please tell them to admit him to a good psychatric ward. It is never too late. C.L. Chumber is in the middle stage of madness and his constant obsession with words like rape etc and continous repitition of the same themes in his posts clearly prove his insanity. Compunded to this Mr Chumber is also getting older and senile dementia has set in. If left untreated Mr Chumber can go into a permanent state of mental hallucination and madness. Mr Chumber also has lost most of his reasoning and cannot carry on intelligible conversations with people. Hence I request anyone here if you know the family members of Mr Chumber, please contact them and tell them about his sorry condition. He needs immediate treatment and confinement in a psychaitric ward. He also needs to stay away from computers and internet for some time as he is inclined to start his mental recording of rapism, fascism etc.
The treatment
Chumber should not be allowed to read books which talk of hatred and violence. he should instead be given to read romantic literature and poems of Shakesphere, Wordsworth, Kalidasa etc. No political books to Chumber. As a doctor I would have preferred him not to read at all but that is difficult as Chumber reads a lot of books and very habituated to reading. Reading is a good habit but in some cases like Mr Chumber it can lead to madness. He should stay away from books related to Hinduism, religion in general, Buddhism, Ramayana, Puranas, Ambedkar, Dalits etc. He can read murder mysteries and science fiction and watch movies on these subjects.
He should also stop reading the many newspapers he reads everyday. He is unable to handle and digest the news and current affairs information.
Chumber should practise watching cartoon movies like donald duck, tom and jerry etc. This will relax his stressed brain cells and CNS.
Chumber should follow a strict regimen of exercises like walking, yoga, pranayama.
Apart from ingesting the prescribed Benzodiapines like valium chumber should exercise caution in his dietary habits.
Chumber should also try to learn some musical instrument like violin, piano, table. It can give him a lot of relief.
Gardening for few hours a day is also a good activity for the patient.
Mr C.L. Chumber has lead a responsible life and raised a good and healthy family. It would be unjust that at his old age he should fall prey to compulsive obsessive insanity. But with good treatment Chumber can spend his old age in a good quality lifestyle and peace.
Thanks.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
C.L .CHUMBER said
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K IS A ADDICTED FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL INDO ARYAN VEDIK HINDU GODS WHO WROTE ON THE INSTRUCTIONS AND DICTATATION OF EVIL VAIDIK ABUSIVE HINDUS ! I WILL WRITE TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF UK TO CHECK HIS MENTAL LEVEL BECAUSE HIS INTEGRITY IS DOUBTFUL .HE HAD TO FEEL SORRY , OTHERWISE I WILL FILE A DEFAMATION CASE AGAINST HIM IN UK . IF HE WATCHED THIS BLOG , AS HE CLAIMED HE MUST CONDEMN THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!!
I AM HAPPY TO INFORM ALL THAT M/S HAPPY HINDUS HAVE LOST THE E-BATTLE ! I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN INDIAN WHERE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS ARE WORSHIPED AS GODS AND THEIR ABUSIVE VEDIK FOLLOWERS ARE DECLARING OTHERS MAD .IN THE MENTAL HOSPITALS THE MADS DECLARE OTHERS MAD .THE WAR AGAINST THE EVIL GODS AND EVIL FOLLOWERS IS IN A DECISIVE STAGE . SATYA MEV JAYATEY !!!!!
lavanyamura said
Chumber,
You guys have an office in the UK. Why do not you simply go ahead and file a case?
Let us see what the court says. Atleast that way, you will be forced (by a court’s order) to see a psychiatrist.
There is not a single person who is not doubting you now (as mad).
It is better that you do not talk about other’s integrity or surgical abilites or quote more lies of your own making and pass them off as manusmrithy’s words.
icefire said
Brahmins need to cleaerd from south india…they are the root cause for all existing social problems…i welcome “anaivarum archaragalam” and “Sedhu” Project
C.L .CHUMBER said
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE – IN OR OUT OF COURT .
* Clarence Darrow , 1936 AD
BE YOU NEVER SO HIGH , THE LAW IS ABOVE YOU !. – Thomas Fuller
Law is a bottomless pitch. – J. Arbuthnot -Title of a Pamphlet , 1700 AD.
Law grinds the poor , and rich men rule the law.-Goldsmith – The Traveller
The jury system puts a ban upon intelligence and honesty , and a premium upon ignorance , stupidity and perjury .- S.L.Clemens( Mark Twain ) – Roughing It
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Delay of justice is injustice . – Lanoor
Let justice be done , though the heavens fall.- William Watson , 1602 AD .
C.L .CHUMBER said
I ASSURE YOU EVERY ONE THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!
LOVE BEGETS LOVE !!!!!
PLEASE DISCARD THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS TO JUSTIFY HAT YOUR GOOD SELF HAVE A PIOUS SOUL IN A PIUOS BODY !!!!!
BETTER ALONE THAN A BAD COMPANY ! DISCARD THE COMPANY OF BAD PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP ,DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE EVIL GODS !!!!!
A LOVE IS NOT A REAL LOVE WHICH DO NOT CREATE A LOVELY SOCIETY BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE .
I LOVE MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN . I PLEDGED MY LOVELY HOME TO A BANK FOR MY CHILDREN`S HIGHER STUDY . NOW MY THREE CHILDREN ARE MANAGERS IN MNCs .THEY ARE SUPPORTING THE FOURTH ONE FOR HIGHER STUDY .
I LOVE THE HUMANITY . IN THE LAST THREE YEARS , WE PRODUCED 12 STUDENTS SUCCEEDED TO GET ADMISSION IN THE JAWAHAR NAVODYA VIDYALYA SCHOOL .THESE STUDENTS BELONG TO BRAHMAN , OBCs AND SCs.
FROM 6TH TO +2 CLASSES THEIRS BOARDING AND LODGING WILL BE FREE .
TO-DAY, SOME BRAHMAN INTELLETUALS CAME TO MEET AND APPRECIATE ME FOR MY DARING , RATIONAL AND MIND BLOWING DEBATE ON RAPISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM .THEY SAID ,” YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB .WE ARE READY TO PRODUCE MORE EVIDENCES IN THE LEGAL COURTS OR PEOPLE`S COURT .” I THANKED THEM AND ASSURED THAT I WILL DO MY JOB AS A SURGEON NOT AS A FASCIST !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
November 13, 2008 @ 4:50 am
Chumber,
expressions of the soul can never be curtailed limited.
Examples:
Just like a true lover loves his loved one, wheter or not they like it
Just like a true mother who loves her child, wheter or not it likes her.
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin
C.L .CHUMBER said
WILL BRAHMANS BE FOREIGNERS FOR INDIANS OR THEY SURRENDER TO THE INDIAN DEMOCRACY TO LIBERATE THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ? ? ? ? ?
MOHAMMAD ALI JINAH WAS THE CHAINMAN OF THE RECEPTION COMMITTEE WHICH WELCOMED MR. GANDHI ON HIS ARRIVAL FROM SOUTH AFRICA !!!!!
PERIYAR EV RAMASAMI NAICKER WAS ALSO AN EX CONGRESS LEADER !!!!!
THE VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS ARE NOT DEALING WITH ME PROPERLY !!!!!
THEY MUST BEAR IN THEIR MINDS ,” THERE IS ACTION AND REACTION IN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE DIRECTION ! ”
MY TRUE GOD , FOREFATHERS , PARENTS , RELATIVES , NEIGHBORERS ,FRIENDS AND COUNTRY MADE ME TO LIVE FOR RESPECT AND DIE FOR RESPECT .I AM FIGHTING FOR THE RESPECT OF THE HUMANITY !!!!!
icefire said,
November 13, 2008 @ 3:39 am
Brahmins need to cleaerd from south india…they are the root cause for all existing social problems…i welcome “anaivarum archaragalam” and “Sedhu” Project
C.L .CHUMBER said
IN DECEMBER 2008 , I WILL FILE A CASE IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT !!!!!
I WILL ARRANGE 75 PRESS CONFERENCES IN INDIA AND ABROAD TO COMMEMORATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM `S BIRTH PLATINUM JUBILEE COMMENCING ON 15TH MARCH 2009 .THERE WILL BE A LAST PRESS CONFERENCE IN FRESNO , CALIFORNIA ( USA ) IN DECEMBER , 2009 WHERE OUR GREATEST INDIAN FREEDOM FIGHTER , FOUNDER OF THE ADI-DHARAM BABA MANGU RAM MUGGOWALIA MIGRATED IN DECEMBER , 1909 AD .
MR.LAVANMUR ! YOU WILL BE GLAD TO KNOW THAT MY WIFE`S SISTER AND HER FAMILY AND MANY RELATIVES AND FRIENDS RESIDE IN UK AND IN LACS MY LIKE MINDED PEOPLE IN UK . THEY CAN PUT THAT UNBALANCED DOCTOR BEHIND BARS , DEMONSTRATE AT HIS RESIDENCE , OFFICE AND CAN ABUSE IN VAIDIK STYLE ! I REQUEST YOU IN ADVANCE TO PERMIT THEM TO USE YOUR ABUSES WHICH YOU SENT TO ME THROUGH THIS ESTEEMED BLOG https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
BUT THIS NOT A POLITICAL , ECONOMIC , RELIGIOUS OR SOCIAL WAR . I TAKE IT AN ETHICAL E-DIALOGUE WAR !!!!!
THIS MAY BE A BLOOD SHED WAR IF WE BOTH SIDE`S INTELLECTUALS START VAIDIK STYLE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE !!!!!
THIS IS MY LAST WARNING THAT IF YOU WILL NOT STOP ABUSIVE LANGUAGE , THEN I WILL HAVE TO SHOW MY MADNESS BY REPEATING THE SAME ABUSES TO YOUR GODS AND THIS MAY BE TURNED INTO BLOOD SHED WAR . WE HAD READ ABOUT THE MAHABHARTA WAR . INDIA DID NOT RISE FROM THAT WAR !THE BOTH SIDES DESTROYED .YOU MAY ARGUE WITHOUT ABUSES !
YOU ARE MANUWADIS , I AM ANTI-MANUWAD AND PRO-INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!! OUR CONSTITUTION BANNED RAPES , RACE ( CASTE SYSTEM – IT RESERVE THE SEATS IN GOVT. / SEMI GOVT.INSTITUTIONS BUT NEVER COMPENSATED THE SUFFERERS WHICH THEY LOST TO THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS WHICH MUST BE ADJUST BY LAW ! ) AND FASCIST ACTIVITIES .
OUR PEOPLE DO TANNING SINCE THOUSAND YEARS AND I WILL LEARN FROM THEM HOW TO OPERATE AND USE A DEAD BODY OF MANUWADI SYSTEM AFTER TANNING INTO USEFUL THINGS – SHOES , SANDLES , JACKETS AND HATS , GLOVES ETC ! .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE FARMERS HOW TO PLOUGH THE SOCIETY AND SEED THE EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE IN THE SOCIAL FIELDS .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE GHUMIHAR / KUMHAAR ( POTTER )HOW TO MOLD THE UNEQUAL USELESS SOCIETY INTO A USEFUL SOCIETY .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE SWEEPER HOW TO CLEAN MANUWAD WHICH BLOCKED THE GUTTER .
I WILL LEARN FROM THE MERITORIOUS JHEEWAR / KASHYAP RAJPUTS HOW TO CROSS OVER THE RIVER AND OCEAN OF HARDSHIPS JOINTLY . ( I HAD ENJOYED THEIR MERITORIOUS ABILITIES WHILE CROSING THE SATLUJ RIVER NEAR SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S MOTHER`S VILLAGE NEAR ANAND PUR SAHIB( PUNJAB ) WHICH IS SITUATED ON ITS BANKS ! SECOND TIME ON THE DAY AFTER INAUGURATION OF THE ADI-MAHAGURU RAVIDAS GATE , VARANASI ( U.P.) BY REVERED LATE MR. K.R. NARAYNAN , THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA AT ALLAHABAD CONJUNCTION OF THE GANGA AND YAMUNA .THIRD TIME I ENJOYED THEIR ABILITY WHILE JOURNEY FROM THE INDIA GATE , MUMBAI TO ELEPHANTA CAVE IN THE ARABIAN OCEAN .)
I AM VERY ADMIRER OF THE ARTISANS AND LABORERS .AND I AM DEADLY AGAINST THAT SOCIETY WHICH IS A PARASITE ON THEIR ECONOMY AND MAKE THEM HAND TO MOUTH !
WHAT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE BRAHMANS ?
WHO EXPLOIT EVEN THE REMAINS OF DEAD BODIES AT HARDWAR , GAYA , MATHURA ,ALLAHABAD , PUSHKAR , PEHOWA .PEOPLE HAD TO PAY MANUWADI TAX EVEN AFTER !THESE CITY ARE HEAD QUARTES OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT KEEP REMAINS WITH MONEY AND OTHER ARTICLES .SHAME .
THE TANNERS ARE BETTER THAN THESE PANDAS ! THE TANNERS GIVE US OUT OF DEAD ANIMALS BUT THESE PANDAS NOTHING EXCEPT LOOTING IN THE NAME OF VAIDIK RELIGION !!!! IS IT NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ?
Lavanyamura said,
November 12, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Chumber,
You guys have an office in the UK. Why do not you simply go ahead and file a case?
Let us see what the court says. Atleast that way, you will be forced (by a court’s order) to see a psychiatrist.
There is not a single person who is not doubting you now (as mad).
It is better that you do not talk about other’s integrity or surgical abilites or quote more lies of your own making and pass them off as manusmrithy’s words.
C.L .CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ CORRECTIONS AND ADDITION . THANKS .
WHAT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE BRAHMANS ?
WHO EXPLOIT EVEN THE REMAINS OF DEAD BODIES AT HARDWAR , GAYA , MATHURA ,ALLAHABAD , PUSHKAR , PEHOWA .PEOPLE HAD TO PAY MANUWADI TAX EVEN AFTER death ! THESE CITY ARE HEAD QUARTERS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT KEEP THE REMAINS of died persons WITH MONEY AND OTHER ARTICLES .
ADDED :-
AT VARANASI AND VARINDAVAN / MATHURA BOTH IN COW BELT THE PANDAS EXPLOIT THE BANGLA WIDDOWS SEXUALLY . THE VAIDIK HINDUS DISCARD THEIR WIDOW MOTHERS AND USELESS COW-MOTHERS . SHAME .
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND DR.Dr M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K TO HIM WHETHER HE HAD WRITTEN ACTUALLY !!!!!
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVRY TOME BY INTERCOURSING KASHATTRIYA LADIES BY HIS BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE 5TH AND 6TH LINES IN SERIAL NO. AS BELOW –
NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
C.L .CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE 5TH AND 6TH LINES IN SERIAL NO. 9 AS BELOW –
NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
Dear Chumber,
“I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ,PM,SPEAKERS OF LOK SABHA , RAJ SABHA AND ASSMBELIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY , UK .
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO U.N.O.
I WILL ALSO SEND THIS REPORT TO HEADS OF ALL COUNTRIES .
I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO ALL MPs , MLAs , MLCs ,DCs AND SSPs OF INDIA. with entire discussion TO ALL ABOVE to make this issue open !”
Chumber your response to my post seems completely out of place. This is an internet blog and being a qualified psychatrist I was just trying to help you out for free. At your degree of mental instability you can see only what you like to see. That’s why I was asking readers here to inform your family members as they are the people who could help you. There is little you can do yourself as one of the signs of mental disorders is unconcious behaviour. You dont know what you are doing. The moment you become aware of your behaviour and actions you get cured. But that is a difficult process as there can be a host of reasons why you have ended up with this mental disorder. Briefly stated it can be either through nature or nurture – by nature I mean it can be nuerological, in that case we need to check your family history. Around 70% of psychaitric disorders are inherited and passed through the genes. By nurture I mean it can be through some traumatic incident or series of incidents or specific social influences.
I am damned sure Presidents, prime ministers, UN, heads of all countries would not be intrested in your complaint. It will be a waste of your time, effort and money. You show a great deal of Narcissism, high degree of self importance and you believe that the world revolves around you. What do you think. A doctor tells you you are suffering from a mental disorder, and you complain and you think this is some international news. You send a mail to all the presidents of the world and UN and suddenly these guys will think – “oh how dare this doctor abuse the great Chumber”. Come on Chumber get real. You are not an international celebrity.
The most ordinary thing in the world is that everyone feels they are extraordinary. Get it Chumber. But C L Chumber thinks is deluded that he is a well known and famous revolutionary all set to head some impending revolutionary movement. In my native city of Mysore, I knew a harmless mental patient who used to think that he was the president of the world. He used to wear a badge proclaiming the same and stand in street corners and give lectures on how he is running the world. Chumber you remind me on the same person just that in your case your disease is still in its infancy.
Regarding my antecedants I am an FRCS and work in the old Clapham hospital in the area of forensic psychaitry. I have as my patients many psychopaths and sociopaths. My advanced skill levels and expertise helps me to recognize psychaitric disorders the moment I see one. Your case is too common and typical in our field.
I once more ask the readers here, if you know of any family members of C.L.Chumber please inform them and get him treated by a qualified psychaitrist or a mental health institute. I recommed NIMHANS (National Institute of Mental health and Nuero sciences in Bangalore) as it is a premier institute in this field not just in India but widely recognized world over.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar
Old Clapham Hospital, Manchester, U.K
PS: “I WILL SEND THIS REPORT TO PRESIDENT,VICE PRESIDENT ….”.
BTW just curious. Would you send it to the american president. George Bush is still the president till Jan 20. Just wanted to tell you to send it to Barack Obama as well – just in case this case goes beyond Jan 20. After Obama is sworn in as the president we can still discuss your complaint with him. See you later in the White House.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVRY TOME BY INTERCOURSING KASHATTRIYA LADIES BY HIS BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPRATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
mesquiteice said
Chumber,
Please discard your great grandfather’s grandfather’s father because he did something wrong. Do you know why?????
Because your great grandfather’s grandfathers was brahma!!!.
You have been speaking a lot about him.
Can you prove who your great grandfather’s grandfather’s father was?
Do you know his name and address and what he was doing and what all he has done.
I know you will not even be able to believe this, but how can you disprove it.
C.L .CHUMBER said
FIRST OF ALL YOU , YOU DISCARD YOUR GOOD SELF`S RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
THEN YOU E-DIALOGUE WITH ME !!!!!
Prema said
Yes,we always talkabout high caste,low caste,black and white.
Whatever caste we belong to,we are God’s children..God sees us with the same eye,and does not make any difference,but those so called high caste,specially,the brahmins believe that they are “high” in every sense,and the low castes like the dalits are not human beings.When I was in India,I wasshocked to see the Dalits cleaning the toilets and doing the lowest jobs. Iwas so hurt that at one time I felt I willchange my religion,converted either a Budhist or christian,but then I realised,my blood will remain the same.So untiltoday I am a Hindu.
When Barack Obamawon the USA election,The Prime Minister and Sonia Ghandi praised this victory.Now they accept a Black as the USA President.I am a good supporter of Barack Obama from the timeIcame to knowhimvia the media.
Iamasking the PrimeMinister of India and the President of the Congress Party what are they doing to help the Dalits.Iknow Sonia Gandhi is not a hindu so it doesnotmatter to her how the Dalits are being treated.She only made her comments when the Christians were attacked,( I am sorry for this attack,this should not have happenned.I respect all religions,)Sonia Gandhi is doing nothing to help the Dalits.
For years,the Dalits are fighting for their freedomandrights,and Iamsure one day theywill get their freedom and enjoy a better life than those rascals high castes.
God help the dalits.
mesquiteice said
Why should i do whatever you say???
I want to understand your logic. So you must prove whatever you say. atleast not stories and tell tales
If you convince me in e-dialogue with logic and reason then i will accept.
C.L .CHUMBER said
ARE HINDU SCRIPTURES STORY BOOKS ? ? ? ? ?
ARE HINDU GODS MYTHS ? ? ? ? ?
WERE HINDU GODS NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCITS ? ? ? ? ?
VAIDIK HINDU ABUSERS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS CAN NOT E-DIALOGUE ? ? ? ? ?
YOU ENDORSED DR. M.R.SATISH RAO`S FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT .
YOUR GOOD SELF IS UNETHICAL PERSON .
I CAN PASTE YOUR UNETHICAL WRITINGS !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
DR. M.R. SATISH RAO IS IN THE BAD COMPANY OF VHP ,U.K.THAT IS WHY HE IS WORSHIPER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS ! ! ! ! !
HE IS NOT MENTALLY SOUND ! ! ! ! !
HE IS UNETHICAL SO-CALLED DOCTOR ! ! ! ! !
M/S HAPPY HINDUS DID NOT REFUTED MY CHARGES THAT THIS SO-CALLED MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF THEM !!!!!
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said,
November 18, 2008 @ 8:07 am
Hello Mr. Chumber,
Over the weekend, I had been to the Isle of Man in the UK to witness a marriage between an Indian man and British woman, both friends of mine. This indian man to your knowledge and horror is from the Brahmin community and is a Hindu member of a group called VHP UK.
mesquiteice said
You said “YOU ENDORSED DR. M.R.SATISH RAO`S FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT ”
Where did i endorse. Who am i to endorse. Does it make any difference whether i endorse it or not.
I like the way in which Dr. Rao took pains to help you. I like people doing good for others. Nothing else. I never said that what he said was right or wrong. nor did i ask you to do as per what he adviced you. That is your choice not mine.
Should i like only muslims.
Should I hate hindus. Is that what you are telling
lavanyamur said
M/S HAPPY HINDUS DID NOT REFUTED MY CHARGES THAT THIS SO-CALLED MEDICAL REPORT IS THE BRAIN CHILD OF THEM !!!!!
————-
Chumber,
Was away. Therefore did not reply. I do not know what are the charges that i shd refute. I find you as someone whose ego is fixated in the lower lokas of ego, ambition, power, anger, accusative attitude..and i accept that such ‘evil’ will always remain and cannot be changed…i just do not wish to try to change anything anymore..you can do whatever you want — wipe people like me a thousand times off this earth…i will still be born, again and again to live the sanatan dharma. There is nothing you can do about it. Bye and God Bless.
Dr. M.R. Satish Rao said
TO C.L.Chumber
I am not in any way related to Happyhindu@lavanya. I only know happyhindu through the posts happyhindu@lavanya has been posting in this forum. I would say Happyhindu has a great deal of patience in dealing with mentally disoriented people. She has tried in vain to make you come to talking terms, which is a very difficult task and I can vouchsafe for her patience from my professional experience. Anyway that apart.
YOu asked me to provide my address so that your family can come and agitate in front of my house. Actually this is a professional hazard for me working as a foresnsic psychatrist and I used to get threats from many sociopaths and psychopaths. Hence, as I mentioned earlier in my post we do not give our address and contact so easily. I am not a run of the mill psychaitrist. My area is highly specialised and also I hold my life quite valuable and would desist from giving oppurtunity for sociopaths to run over me, my family and my professional fraternity.
Regarding my mention of the friends marriage and the friend being a Brahmin and part of VHP. That was false and a claptrap to basically trigger certain predefined emotions and responses from you. We do this all the time in psychaitry and we even enact psychodrama for analysis of mental conditions. Of course I did go to a marriage in ‘Isle of man’ but that was between two of my english friends. I just wrote the two words – Brahmin and VHP and you were flaming. Now the ball is in your court. Understand how words and its respective associations evoke certain crystallized responses in you. I am not saying you lack reasoning but what I mean is your reasoning is clouded with high degree of prejudice and judgement which is bordering on certain mental conditions which can be a clear case study in the field of a branch of psychaitry termed as ‘Abnormal Psychaitry’.
Please note that I am not your doctor and neither are you my patient. Hence there is no possiblity of you contacting me. I have asked for members of your family or people who know them to get in touch with Psychatristry department of NIMHANS bangalore or even the NHS UK or private hospitals in UK. I can send a list of such institutes through this forum.
My Diagnosis is based on the readings of your post and I can vouchsafe for an accuracy of about 90% on the diagnosis mentioned in my previous post. I once again call upon readers who know Chumber’s family to get in touch with NIMHANS or any other reputed mental health institute. I am pretty sure that the venerable doctors in these institute will concur with my prognosis. Check it out and then you will thank me.
Let me tell you this I have nothing but Goodwill towards you and your family. I just felt that you would need to be healed from this malady and hence my post.
Dr M.R.Satish Rao
Senior Registrar, Old Clapham Hospital
Manchester.
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. M. R. SATISH RAO ! PLEASE RELEASE MEDICAL REPORTS ON THESE FOLLOWING PERSONS ALSO , OTHERWISE YOU ARE AN UNETHICAL INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU TERRORIST DOCTOR !!!!!
I WILL COMPLAIN TO INTERPOL AGAINST YOUR GOOD SELF IF YOU DID NOT RELEASE THE SAME 15 MEDICAL REPORTS !!!!!
OR YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY WITHIN A WEEK FOR YOUR FICTITIOUS MEDICAL REPORT TO DEFAME ME INTENTIONALLY !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 18, 2008 @ 10:42 am
C.L .CHUMBER said,
November 14, 2008 @ 10:12 am
I WILL ASK DR.M.R.Satish Rao ,Senior Registrar ,Old Clapham Hospital,
Manchester,UK TO ISSUE ALSO REPORTS –
( 1 ) ON WHOM WHO ABUSED ME .
( 2 )ON WHOM WHO WORSHIP THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL INDO-AYAN VAIDIK GODS !
( 3) ON WHOM WHO CONGRATULATE ON THE BIRTHDAYS OF THESE EVIL GODS (4 ) ON WHOM WHO ARE THE SLAVES OF THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS .
( 5 ) ON BRAHMA TRIED 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS REAL DAUGHTER .WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE AND MARRIED A BACKWARD CLASS GUJJAR GIRL GAYATARI WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF HER AND HER PARENTS .
( 6) ON VISHANU WHO RAPED VARINDA@TULASI W/O JALANDHAR ( REF. PADAM PURAN , TULASI-VIVAH MOVIE AND DISTT.JALANDHAR GAZETEER ) .
( 7 ) ON KARISHNA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE RUKMANI AND LOVED RADHA TO WHOM HINDUS WORSHIP BOTH .
( 8 ) ON RAM WHO DISCARDED HIS INNOCENT AND PIOUS WIFE SITA WHO WAS COMPELLED TO SUICIDE !
( 9 ) ON PARASHURAM WHO BEHEADED HIS MOTHER RENUKA AS DESIRED BY HIS FATHER JAMDAGANI .HE DID NOT ASKED THE REASON OR REQUESTED HIS FATHER TO PARDON HER .HE KILLED THE KASHTTRIYA VARNA ( ARYAN COMMUNITY ) 21 GENERATIONS AND PRODUCED THE NEXT EVERY GENERATION BY INTERCOURSING KSHATRIYA LADIES BY HIS
BRAHMAN VARNA / COMMUNITY`S YOUTHS !
( 10 ) ON VAMAN WHO DECEIVED BALI TO CAPTURE HIS KINGDOM .
( 11 ) ON NARSINGH WHO MISGUIDED PRAHLAD AND KILLED HIS FATHER , UNCLE AND AUNTIE .
( 12 ) ON INDIRA WHO RAPED MANY WOMEN EVEN RISHIS` WIVES AND OFTEN USES HIS KEEPS TO FINISH OPPONENTS
( 13 ) ON LAKSHMAN WHO ACCOMPANIED RAM AND SITA WITHOUT HIS NEWLY MARRIED WIFE URMILA FOR 14 YEARS .HE LEFT SITA IN FOREST UNGUARDED AND IN PREGNANCY !
( 14 ) ON FIVE PANDVAS WHO LOST THEIR CO-OPERATIVE WIFE DAROPADI TO KAURVAS IN GAMBLING !!!!
AND MANY MORE !!!!! WE WILL PAY HIS FEES BECAUSE DOCTORS RECEIVE THEIR CHARGES .
NOW THIS E-DIALOGUE WILL BE GLOBAL DUE DR RAO AND HIS FRIENDS !!!!!
BEFORE THIS IT WAS A BRAIN EXERCISE ONLY !!!!!
SanJam said
I AND THE DALIT-NATION`S ADMINISTRATOR OR OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE
Ummmm Mr Chumber, we shouldn’t use second form (past tense) of verb (implemented) with “did” in the same sentence.
WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THE RESTORING OF OUR LOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
You could replace “restoring” with “restoration” of our fundamental rights. What you are trying to restore, obviously, is not being fulfilled, or, is missing.
A FOLLOWER OF RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST RELIGION CAN NOT BE A TRUE INDIANS !
Now, even a kindergarten kid would know that a sentence starting from “A” follower, cannot end in plural “Indians”.
THE HINDU RELIGION IS A TERRORIT PHILOSOPHY WHO INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !!
Now, you are equating a religion with a misspelled philosophy. And, FYI: caste or varna system doesn’t get an atom’s importance in the meritocracy that exists today.
Only jerks like you keep venting out their frustration in such humiliatingly erroneous grammar. Most of the visitors to this blog leave it with a bad taste in mouth and a handful of pity on your filthy retorts and lowly thoughts.
You truly are a dispensable trash of our society.
C.L .CHUMBER said
NOW EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD KNOW THAT MR. SANJAM LIKE ABUSERS ARE VERY BAD PERSONS !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT RAPE !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE NO CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
MOST OF THE VISITORS TO THIS BLOG READ IT WITH A GOOD TASTE TO KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIRS VAIDIK ABUSER FOLLOWERS !!!!!
I RECEIVE DAILY EMAILS AND APPRECIATION CALLS !!!!!
lavanyamurali said
NOW EVEN A KINDERGARTEN KID WOULD KNOW THAT MR. SANJAM LIKE ABUSERS ARE VERY BAD PERSONS !!!!!
You are the biggest abuser of all, but you do not consider yourself as a bad person. I find that strange. Its possibly so because of your mental illness.
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT RAPE !!!!!
Wrong. Rape is present in the animal kingdom in at least 15 diff animal species. They help researchers study aggression, behavioral genetics and allied thought processes in humans. You can make a good substitute for such studies.
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
Even a kindergarten kid knows that. But you do not. You follow a rapist prophet, spread lies about hindu gods and then talk politics.
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE NO CASTE/VARNA SYSTEM !!!!!
There is taxonomic hierarchical classification for animals. There is inheritance in programming in even the machine world. Humans, being the socially intelligent creatures, have always evolved to ‘higher’ social varnas. In future humans will evolve completely out of varna and that will happen (and is happening) only because of economic liberalization. Politicians like you will then (soon) be trashed for restricting progress.
MOST OF THE VISITORS TO THIS BLOG READ IT WITH A GOOD TASTE TO KNOW MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE RAPIST ,RACIST AND FASCIST INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDU GODS AND THEIRS VAIDIK ABUSER FOLLOWERS !!!!!
Most people to whom i have recommended this blog visit it for laughs. Even teenage kids cannot control their laughter. They find you a funny old mad man. Only you take yourself seriously, no one else does.
I RECEIVE DAILY EMAILS AND APPRECIATION CALLS !!!!!
Good for you. It is understood that you will continue to beat your own trumpet even if there are no valves and knobs (typical of people who promise a bridge where there is no river).
Bye and God Bless.
PAPPU KUNDANPURI said
DR. M.R.SATISH RAO SHOULD CHECK THE MENTAL LEVEL OF MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE .
MR. MESQUITIECE @ MR. MOHAMMAD MEQUITIECE CLAIMED ON November 25, 2008 @ 4:57 am THAT ” I am a muslim, should i dicard Allah to be a an ideal Human Being. why are you preaching hatered against Allah.”
BUT ON THE SAME DATE November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am AFTER 4 HOURS 31 MINUTES HIS STAND WAS U-TURN ” 1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
MR.C.L.CHUMBER IS A VERY DARING INTELLECTUAL WHO EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS . WE SALUTE HIS PATIENCE AND CONTINUITY .
C . L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! BRAHMA , VISHANU AND INDIRA WERE NOT DIFFERENT FROM BEASTS WHO RAPED LIKED BEASTS !!!!!
HOW LONG WILL M/S HAPPY HINDUS WORSHIP , DEFEND AND GLORIFY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( ? ) ?
lavanyamurali said,
November 26, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
EVEN THE COMMON MAN KNOWS THAT THE ANIMALS DO NOT WORSHIP THE RAPISTS !!!!!
Wrong. Rape is present in the animal kingdom in at least 15 diff animal species. They help researchers study aggression, behavioral genetics and allied thought processes in humans. You can make a good substitute for such studies.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE FIRST OF ALL SOLVE YOUR FAMILY PROBLEMS !!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT WORSHIP THE EVILS !!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE ANY BODY IF YOU ARE STAUNCH FOLLOWERS OF EVILS !!!!!
Mesquiteice said,
December 1, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Chumber,
I prefer mesquiteice-ul-haq.
Please read chapter 109
109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
I wish to correct one more this. I did not write anything against Hazrat Mohammed. You are the one calling others Allah as bad. I only wanted to show you that problems are everywhere.
mesquiteice said,
November 25, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Chumber,
Please let me know your latest stand on:-
1) Why people pray to Allah
2) why people celebrate Allah’s birthday
3) Why Muhammed had intercourse with a small child
C . L . CHUMBER said
I THANK MR. RAM KRISHAN SHARMA AND MR. PAPPU KUNDANPURI FOR THEIR VIEWS .
lavanyamuralidharan said
Chumber,
In your article on intercaste marriage here: http://ambedkartimes.com/c_l_chumber.htm , you have said DO INTERCASTE MARRIAGE YOUR SELF OR YOUR CHILDREN TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT CASTE!!!!!
I want to tell you that if Bill Gates were single and a chamar, all girls in India would want to marry him.
In arranged marriages itself people are careful, in inter-caste arranged marriages you can imagine how much more choosy people will be. No arranged marriage happens without being beneficial or fruitful to both parties in some way or the other.
First make yourself mentally strong to come up to a good position. Achieve it, then automatically, you will find prospective brides will come to you for you and your abilities, not for your caste.
You have also published your address and phone number on that webpage and a number of articles. I very much admire and appreciate your efforts to uplift our brethern. At the same time i again request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.
You are free to ridicule me for repeating this, but i want to say this clearly:: I am Sorry for abusing you.
As mesquiteice said, you are a potential masterpiece, capable of achieving great heights. I only request you to make your ideas of growth a collective one, instead of a divisive one.
Your hatered for brahmins and hindu gods is deep-rooted, the reasons for which I still cannot understand, since you are living on stories of expression by various authors; And presumably, have not looked for God within yourself.
Nobody can say all brahmins are bad or all dalits are good or vice versa. Let us stop associating anyone with caste. Anyways the caste system is a dying institution and will be gone due to this liberal economic atmosphere.
I have no qualms accepting anyone as a priest, but the temple positions must not be decided by politicians, otherwise i will not accept such a priest. Anyone wilI accept anyone who prays for them and their loved ones with a willing earnest heart.
In the present time, nobody can stop you from progressing in any way you want to. I wish you the very best in everything you do. And a final repetition:: please do not abuse the hindu faith.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THIS IS MY FULL WRITING SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY KNOW IN DETAIL !
The same day I received a book titled “How to win any argument –Do not raise your voice, lose your cool or come to blows “written by Mr. Robert Mayer as a gift on renewing the subscription of renowned magazine the Reader’s Digest. We will also argue to discuss this incident. First of all, we have sympathy for both gentlemen. But they are wrong that they belong to higher Jatt caste .In Varna / caste system, no one is higher than Brahmin. The Hindu Bhagwan Krishna said in his Gita that women, vaish and shudra varnas are impure .This means Brahmins born to women are automatically impure and equivalent to other castes / varnas. That is why Adi-Mahagurus Ravidass and Kabir challenged Brahmin’s supermacy. Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass said there is no difference between God and livings. There is only difference like gold and ornaments made out of it, water and its currents. Adi-Mahaguru Kabir dared to challenge the Brahmin priest class that all are born equals. If the Brahmin is superior to others then he must be born another way. Adi-Mahaguru Kabir was so deadly against the Brahmins that he not only denounced the Hinduism but also warned their followers to beware of the Hindu Gods. He said in his couplet that Ram is my father-in-law and I am his son-in-law, Ram is my brother-in -law (sala) and I am his Jija. Again Adi-Mahaguru Kabir warned that the person who worships Ram s/o Dashrath is a worst than dog and will go to hell! Adi-Mahaguru Namdev founder of the Bhakti movement said that the Hindu is a blind and Turak (Muslim) is blemished. In the same way Guru Nanak preached his first sermon at Sultanpur Lodhi that there was neither Hindu nor Musalman. All are equals.
Let us search our hearts. Are we equals despite our gurus preaching? Are we equals despite our Indian constitution recognizes us equals? Are we equals in our foreign country when our respective country’s constitution recognizes us equals. The Jatts and other backward classes treated us untouchables. Why? Brahmins, Kshattriyas and Vaishes treated us untouchables. Then what is the difference between the castiest Brahmins and Jatts. The ‘ Karhah parshad “of untouchables was not accepted even in the Golden Temple, Amritsar upto 12 th October, 1920. The Khalsa community ( untouchables ) arranged a rally on 11 and 12 Oct.1920 in the Jallianwala Bagh , Amritsar against the untouchability in the Sikh Gurudwaras especially in the Golden Temple .Prof. Teja Singh in his autobiography named ” Aarsi” recorded this historical incident .This book is published by the Punjabi University, Patiala . Mr. Ruchi Ram Sahni also wrote a book in English on the Gurdwaras reform movement which was published by the S.G.P.C. Amritsar . The S.G.P.C., Amritsar also published a book in Punjabi named “Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee Da Itihaas “in which the un-touchability in the Golden Temple is recorded. S. Daljit Singh M.P. wrote biography of Prof. Ditt Ram Gyani @ Prof. Ditt Singh Gyani in which he recorded the un-touchability in the Golden Temple. He wrote that the untouchables were allowed in the Golden Temple between 11.00 A.M. to!.00 P.M. when theirs shadows fell below theirs own feet and did not fell on touchable! I am proud of my forefathers who participated in the movement against untouchability in the Golden Temple and two our forefathers Bhai Gulab Singh and Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh sacrificed theirs lives in the Nankana Sahib Gurdwara tragedy .The Punjabi book of S.G.P.C. and the’ Sikh Leadership ‘ of G.N.D. University, Amritsar published theirs profiles with photographs . The S.G.P.C. appointed our uncle S. Balwant Singh who retired as officer. Advocate S. Narinder Singh two times president of the Distt. Bar Association is his daughter’s son. The residents of our ancestral village Hussain Abad (Saina bad) P.O. Sarih Tehsil Nakodar District Jalandhar (on Nakodar-Phagwara road and on Jalandhar -Ferozepur via Nakodar railway line) erected a building in memory of martyrs Bhai Gulab Singh Chumber and Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh Chumber .We are proud of our forefathers who laid down their lives by burning alive to stop the un-touchability practice. The S.G.P.C. and all Akali Dals dominated by Jatts do not highlight this movement which is just like Dr. Ambawdekar`s movements of Kala Ram temple entry and Mahad Tank!
But the manuwadis again posesed the Gurdwaras and changed the committee under S. Sunder Singh Ramgarhia .The movement against untouchability was initiated under Bhai Mehtab Singh, the backward class Arain Muslim turned Sikh of village Baka Pur a village situated on G. T. Road NH-1 in between Ludhiana and Jalandhar nearest to Phillaur a Tehsil H .Q. and Bhai Bajaj (Ravidassia caste) of village Jandu Singha on Jalandhar-Hoshiarpur road. My grandfather S. Dhanna Singh Chumber @ Bapu Dhanna Ram Chumber’s in-laws was in village Jandu Singha. The Bhapas and now Jatts dominated S. G. P. C. and Akali Dals finished Bhai Bir and Bhai Bajaj from history. On 12th Oct. 2000, I celebrated the Rights Day (Adhikar Divas) in the Desh Bhagat Yaadgar Hall, Jalandhar City to commemorate the end of untouchability in the Golden Temple on 12th Oct.1920, the sanction of some rights to the untouchables by the Governor of Punjab due to the struggle of gadhrite Baba Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia’s Adi-Dharam Mandal, Baba Banda Bahadur`s Victory on a town which falls on 12th Oct., Dr. Ambawdekar`s a victory against untouchability fell on 12th Oct. The Badal Govt. some B.S.P. leaders of Jalandhar to torpedo the programme so that the people of all walks may not join under the leadership of Shahid-e-azam Sahib Kanshi Ram Ji. He was our chief guest. Those B.S.P .leaders are now SAD (BADAL) `s workers!
The Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass adi-dwara committee’s decision is right because the Jatts hates scheduled castes .That is why the Adi-Dharmis built theirs separate Adi-Dwaras . The Adi-Dharam is a separate religion and have no connection with any another religion .Mahatma Sant Singh Azad @ Sant Ram Azad of village Nangal Shahidan ( on Hoshiarpur-Mahilpur road) also participated in the Nankana Sahib Gurdwara reform movement. A Jatt of his village said,” Aa bai Santia .Tun bi aa gian (Come in Santia. Have you also come?” Mahatma Sant Ram Azad did not reply and left the place. After some time, Azad Ji came back.” what is your appearance?’ The same Jatt asked. “You did not treat me as S. Sant Singh Azad .Therefore I am now clean shaven and Mahatma Sant Ram Azad!” Azad Ji said.
Ghadri Baba Babu Ram Muggowalia founded the Adi-Dharam Mandal branch at Raikot town in Ludhiana Distt. The untouchables of a nearby village Sehjarha on Raikot-Barnala road built a Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass’s Adi-Dwara .The Jatts of the village and surrounding area reported the Police. The village was under the jurisdiction of the Patiala Princely state and the Maharaja ordered to put the responsible untouchables behind the bars! S. Gurbakhsh Singh Rahi (of Barnala) an SGPC missionary recorded this tragedy in his auto-biography in Punjabi because Sehjarha is his ancestral village! Sant Jaswant Singh Ghawadhi @ Sant Jamuna Das Ghawaddi was a staunch follower of Adi-Dharam and he wrote half dozen books on Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass Ji in Punjabi and Hindi languages. Baba Muggowalia mentioned his name in his auto-biographical essay. I visited this village first of all with Mr. Sutey Parkash Ahir Canada`s elder brother in 1980 AD. In Ghawadhi village situated on Ludhiana-Malerkotla road near village Sarinh .Some Sikhs ordered untouchables to close down all the Gurdwaras except Jatt-Gurdwara. An untouchable Sikh retired teacher argued that there are Gurdwaras of Ravidasias, Mazabhis, Kumihars and Jatts in our village. Let us draw a lottery of all Gurdwaras. We will open the Gurdwara of which name will be in draw. The Jatts dropped the idea!
There was a seminar on Adi-Mahaguru Ravidass in Feb.2008 arranged by DAV College, Dasuya (Hoshiarpur). I also participated. A Sikh Professor of Guru Gobind Singh College, Garhdiwala (Hoshiarpur) objected that Guru Ravidass is Bhagat not Guru .I asked that you are not great than Guru Gobind Singh .Guru Ji said that there will be no Guru after him. Adi-Granth will be Guru Granth sahib. I argued that if Vani / Bani is Guru then the writers of these Bani are Mahaguru! Mr. Manohar Lal Mahey of Vigilant Brotherhood, Jalandhar was so happy on this development that he at once cried with over joy,” Chumber sahib! Now there will be a compromise on Guru! “I said,” I will not do Puna Pact. We are separate identity!” I wrote Adi-Mahagurus from that day.” The Sikh Gurus praised/followed our Adi-Mahagurus! But their Sikhs hate us without any reason. I wrote in their side and got registered a case against me under TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A .They neither protected me nor appreciated. A Sikh intellectual S. Ajmer Singh pursuing me to hand over him a copy of the special issue on Punjab Problem of the “Kaumi Udarian” so that he may write about me but I refused to hand over it because his a close friend and Sikh News paper group had a clear hand in my road accident at Phagwara on 7th Feb.1997 in which I lost my two brothers (from community) for ever. An aimless person quarrels with each others. The persons having aim, dedication and concentration co-operate, co-ordinate with each others.
The Jatt Sikhs never started a social reform movement. They ask the govt. to give them the Australian rate of wheat but they will never agree for Australian rate for labour. Mr. Sahota and Mr. Shergill boasted that Jatts are high caste. Dr. Jagjit Singh in his book ‘Sikh Revolution” wrote that in Mughal period a Jatt had to appear in the court with a dog due to his lower caste. The Jatt is not a caste. The Punjab Language Department., Patiala published a book “Punjab Castes” .There is a table in which the number person of each caste is written who converted to Jatts. This is the census 1881 AD. I had also seen the same type table in census 1931 AD.
Today I had seen the prospectus of the Layalpur Khalsa College, Jalandhar City full of Jatts Management committee. The same position of Sikh colleges at Nakodar, Phagwara, Sangh Dhesian, Banga, Garh Shankar, Mahilpur, Garhdiwala etc. The Jatts (majority) have surrendered to Hinduism through S. Parkash Singh Badal. He is the Chief Minister of Punjab. His only son is the president of the ruling party. His brother`s son is the Khaa-jana minister. His daughter`s husband is also cabinet minister. His daughter-in-law`s brother is also cabinet minister. Another relative S. Janmeja Singh is also a cabinet minister. Another relative is also an M.L.A. from Jalandhar Cantt. The poor Jatts are committing suicides and S. Badal`s kitchen cabinet is enjoying. This may be recorded in the Guinness and Limca record books!
We appreciate the NRI Adi-Dharamis for building Adi-Dwaras. Now they must open at least one college in a Tehsil so that the education mission may be completed as early as possible. I have produced my three children as managers in MNCs. I had pledged my sweet home with a nationalized bank for my children’s higher study. Now they are repaying the loan. Please hate our socio-economic status. This will be improved by higher professional study only. DO OR DIE FOR COMING GENERATION. DON`T BLAME OTHERS. BE UNITED & FIGHT FOR OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.THANKS.
Posted on http://www.ambedkartimes.com (July 18, 2008 )
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE FOLLOW YOUR BRAHMA WHO TRIED HIS BEST 5 TIMES TO RAPE HIS DAUGHTER !!!!!
OR
WORSHIPING , DEFENDENG AND GLORIFYING THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS GODS ( ? ) ARE NOT RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS !!!!!
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 3, 2008 @ 10:45 am
Chumber,
I only request you not to hurt my religious sentiments.
lavanyamuralidharan said
THIS IS MY FULL WRITING SO THAT THE VIEWERS MAY KNOW IN DETAIL !
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Nice article. In some places you have mixed disparate things together.
Hope you understand that people may look for a common culture, and therefore may marry within the same grouping, for an life free from adjustment probs.
However, hope you will realize that AFTER people come up to a certain stage in life, they do not marry for caste.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
HE ( CHUMBER ) WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
mesquiteice said,
December 2, 2008 @ 7:59 am
Ram Krishan Sharma,
Like you I also feel bad. Not only sanjam, a lot of others have also been abusing chumber. Some of them have even apologised and requested chumber to behave himself.
YOU ARE A GROUP OF ABUSER ADOLESCENTS MENTALLY .YOU APPOLOGESE AND THEN START TO ABUSE . WHAT IS WRONG IN MR. CHUMBER . WE MUST READ OUR SCRIPTURES AND BE THANKFUL TO HIM WHO CAUTIONED US .
But one thing you should you should understand is that Mr.Chumber, has been abusing everybody. How can Mr. Chumber who does not know how to respect others and their faiths ever be respected by others.
MR. CHUMBER PASTED YOUR ABUSES . YOU MAY PASTE HIS ABUSES BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST HIM EXEPT ABUSING HIM . YOU PEOPLE EVEN SAID ,” LAXMAN WILL RAPE CHUMBER`S MOTHER AND SISTERS .” IS THIS YOUR FAITH . YOU PEOPLE WROTE ” AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS .” FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE .
Give Respect and Take Respect
FIRST YOU DESERVE , THEN YOU DESIRE . ABUSERS CAN NEVER GET RESPECT EVEN FROM SLAVES .
I request your goodself to advice chumber to “Live and Let Live”.
I CAN NOT ADVISE MR. CHUMBER TO ” LIVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU ” . I EVEN ADVISE HIM TO SHOOT THE HABITUAL ABUSER GANG SO THAT PEOPLE MAY LEARN A GOOD LESSON .
He is continously abusing other faiths, our country, the judiciary etc.
HE IS NOT ABUSING . HE SHED LIGHT ON OUR FILTHY RELIGIOUS , ADMINISTRATIVE AND JUDICIAL SYSTEMS WITH REFERENCES . HE HAS REPRODUCED THE LIST OF CORRUPT ONE SITTING JUDGE OF SUPREME COURT , 10 HIGH COURT JUDGES AND 25 DISTT. SESSION JUDGES FROM THE OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEEKLY MAGAZINE . DO YOU LIKE CORRUTION OR HONESTY .MR. CHUMBER IS VERY HONEST PERSON .
While i feel sorry for chumber as much as you do, how can we stop sanjam unless chumber stops abusing others faiths.
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .ONE THING IS CLEAR FROM THE WRITINGS OF CHUMBER , HE WILL NOT TOLERATE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS AND HE WILL DEFINITELY PUT SANJAM LIKE PEOPLE BEHIND BARS . HE WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL LEGALLY .WE ARE WITH TRUTH , OTHERWISE THE COMMUNAL HATERED FEELINGS WILL DEVELOP .
You said”Who have authorized him to abuse Mr.Chumber ”
I ask you “Who have authorised Mr. Chumber to abuse others faiths and gods and religions”
YOU ARE NOT HONEST . DO YOU LIKE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
Just like you i also know that Chumber is a potential champion. Let us hope that he will behave himself and create a atmosphere for everybody will respect him.
HE IS FIGHTING WITH YOU WITH DO OR DIE SPIRIT TO CREATE A ATMOSPHERE OF RESPECT TO EVERYONE . ABUSERS CAN GIVE NO RESPECT AND WILL GET DISRESPECT .WHEN MR. CHUMBER WILL PUT THIS HINDU GODS IN PRESS CONFERENCES AS HE ANNOUNCED WHAT WILL BE OUR STAND .HE WILL BE SURELY A CHAMPION LIKE OBAMA . I PRAY FOR IT .
Now as far as you are concerned ” Who have authorised you to represent entire community and humanity”. Please dont preach hatered. If you believe your gods are outdated that is your own belief.
YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE MODERN MAIN HINDU SAINTS ARE MAINLY SHUDRAS .IT IS TRUE THAT OUR GODS OUT OF DATE . NEITHER YOU NOR I AM REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY COMMUNITY . THE COMMUNITES ARE REBUILDING .I DO NOT PREACH HATERED .
Why are you using “OUR”. If you believe so you are free to choose which ever god you feel is on date. This why people did not like Chumber. Dont repeat the same things.
THE BAD PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE GOOD PEOPLE AND VICE VERSA .I LIKE AND RESPECT MR. CHUMBER LIKE REVOLUTIONARY THINKER .
Just like you feel that your god is outdated others feel that their gods are up to date.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD . OBAMA BEING A BLACK WON THE WHITE HOUSE DUE TO HIS SLOGAN ” WE CAN DO .” RACISTS AND FASCISTS WILL BE DETHRONED EVERY WHERE WHETHER IN RELIGIOUS FIELD .
Did anybody ask you wheter their gods are upto date.
DID ANYONE ASK TO ANSWER TO MY VIEWS ?
We are all Indians. Learn to respect others and everybody will respect you.
THEN WHY ARE YOU OPPOSING MR. CHUMBER`S INTER-CASTE MARRIAGES IDEA ? AS FAR AS WE BELIEVE IN BRAHMA , WE CAN NOT RESPECT EACH OTHER DUE TO HIS CASIEST MENTALITY .
DO YOU RESPECT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST DEVILS ? I NEED RESPECT FROM RESPECTFUL PERSONS .
C.L.CHUMBER said
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER
EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM including CHUMBER
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 5, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
I was the one who said: EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM exept CHUMBER – Mesquiteice did not say that. I will rephrase the sentence to EVERYONE IS AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM INCLUDING CHUMBER BUT CHUMBER IS MISTAKEN THAT HINDU GODS WERE RAPIST, RACIST, FASCIST. Satisfied?
concernedsaneperson said
I was looking up stuff for a report and I see this? What the fuck? What kina pot are you people smokin’? what the hell is a dalit? what the hell is a brahmin? Were you even alive when Hitler came? I thought you were all exinct, no offense.
(P.S. these are serious questions that I am asking and these are not intended to offend)
SanJAm said
Chumber, you know whats happening here?
when bastards like you dont know who brought you to this world and for what? the likes of you then gather all the trash around you and try to hurl bullshit on others.
we all know that ram krishan sharma, and pappu kundanpuri are fictitious characters or invited by chumber.
and if any of you have any balls then reveal your contact details, and i will get you crucified upside down; that’ll mean, you’d have your balls nailed.
bloody anemic pricks.
chumber,,, the slime and shmuck that you are, jerks like you are only good for sewage!
none of the spineless bastards or prickless retards like chumber had the shame of condemning dastardly attacks on Mumbai.
i seriously dont understand what the likes of you are doing in this country.
the kind of momentum that is building in this country, it wont be long when the youth of today will strip bastard politicians like chumber and tie them up at street corners for everyone to kick them and spit on them!
and if anybody wants to side with chumber, let me inform them, that I’m gathering a huge group of youth and we are going to visit hoshiarpur or any of the hole where chumber and his rats are hiding.
it wont be long before i catch you chumber,,, and you’d find out soon who’d be behind bars and getting sodomized by police batons!
SO GET READY AND START THE COUNTDOWN!
lavanyamuralidharan said
Sanjam,
I request you not to abuse Chumber like this.
We do not want this conversation to become abusive trash.
It is good that Chumber is expressing himself. I thought only a self-appointed “dravidian” can spew as much hate, but it is amazing that a northie repeats the same things. We want him to be able to express things openly (even if its repetitive, please bear, coz at some point or the other some more will come out).
I wonder what is it with these “Indians” – they live in India, eat from this soil, and yet they do not understand their role in allowing themselves to become stooges to hidden-hands.
It has become common to make politics out of religion, caste, language…but apparently Chumber does not realize that using such things to justify secessionism is sedition.
Apart from the dravidian ideology, i find it disappointingly surprising that exactly the same excuses are being linked to an apparent seperatist tendency by a man who is calls himself a self-appointed leader of the dalits in a state like Punjab (but then considering it is Punjab, i suppose one shd not find it surprising at all).
Having said all of this, it is imperative to understand that Chumber speaks ONLY for himself. Not for the other financially-downtrodden ones (i don’t like the term dalit).
Please do not use the words of chumber to show anger on other financially-downtrodden ones.
C.L .CHUMBER said
MR. SANJAM IS A VERY GOOD ABUSER BUT VERY POOR IN REASONING !!!!!
C.L .CHUMBER said
TERROR OVER INDIA’S FINANCIAL CAPITAL MUMBAI!
– C.L.CHUMBER
On 26th November midnight , the financial capital of world’s most populated democratic country India faced a multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including the crowded Chhatarpati Shivaji Terminus railway station and two five-star hotels – Oberai and Taj. The situation was so tense and under no control that the government had to call in the Army to assist in defusing the situation. It is reported that more than 101 persons died and 250 injured.
Mr. A. N. Roy, DGP Maharashtra said tonight’s attack in ” at least seven places” is a” terror strike.” Mr. Roy continued,” The suspected terrorists struck in a number of places. Terrorists have opened in discriminate firing with automatic weapons.” In Delhi , the union Home Ministry said it was keeping a close watch on the situation and would provide all necessary assistance to the state government. The firing is reported near BMC headquarter, Hilton Holtel in Nariman Point and Vile Parle. It is reported that two terrorists gunned down.
An IPS officer Mr. Ashok Marutirao Kamte was killed while fighting terrorists at Metro Cinema in the city along with Mr. Vijay Salaskar an encounter specialist. Mr. Hemant Karkare, chief of the Anti-Terrorism Squad was also killed when he was leading an poeration at hotel Taj against terrorists. He was probing the Malegaon blast case. Mr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister condemned the terror attacks in Mumbai and assured all help.
The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
(Image: http://www.thestandard.com) Posted on Nobember 30, 2008 http://WWW.AMBEDKARTIMES.COM
lavanyamuralidharan said
The Indian rulers have not strengthened the democracy in true sense. That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights. Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?
The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible? We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world. We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century.
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Chumber,
What you have written is certainly wrong.
When you say “That is why the Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits took arms for the solution of their legitimate rights” – it is clear that you are in agreement with violence taken up for “solution of their legitimate rights”.
When you say “Why are the rulers belonging to Congress at centre and the rulers belonging to SAD at Punjab committed to continue their dynastic rules in a democratic world?” – then you are connecting a terror situation with a political situation.
When you say “The Indians are living below poverty line. The rich are becoming richer and the poor are becoming poorer. Who is responsible?” – you are obviously connecting an economic situation with a terror situation.
Connecting either a political or economic situation with a terror attack is one thing but saying they took up arms as solution for legitimate rights just alludes to one thing:: That you agree with the violent attacks.
Finally when you say “We condemn these terrorist attacks which is no solution for our problems in a democratic world” – its like lip service, a covered up double-standard statement – its just like Pakistan accepting that terror elements operate from their soil but are stateless actors – a farce that no one beleives. Which is why no one is beleiveing in you either.
You end with the note “We appeal the NRIs to come to help their country fellows as the Gadhrites of USA and Baba Gurditt Singh Sarhali`s group in Canada in the early twenties of the 20th century” – why are you asking NRIs to help? Are you are referring to past people who funded stuff? If yes, why are you making such references in such a terror-attack situation?
BTW, Can you clarify why you are against Gandhiji in full detail ?
Thanks.
me said
me said,
December 11, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
See: http://manukhsi.blogspot.com/2008/11/salute-to-brave-soul-who-fought-for-her.html
Dalitnation has accepted that “”Some of the muslim and Christian organizations have pledged us support…….We are based in Mumbai and London.””.
C.L.CHUMBER said
I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .
lavanyamuralidharan said
Chumber,
You called Gandhi a Scounderel.
You called freedom-fighters derisively as communal.
You refer to the British on praising terms; as though they are your saviours.
You seem proud to state this with an exclamatory mark that “The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! “.
You never want to extend your research to Christianity or Islam.
You are quick to defend negative things pointed out from Islam.
You have never said anything negative about Christianity, though things like incest have been recorded there.
You claim to be an Adi-Dharmi, which is just a political religion based on twisting around things from Hinduism, with help from missionaries. It is you guys that are messing with Rama and Krishna; and propagate negative things about the Vaishnava faith just as Periyar did in the south. You political writers have changed Ram of Kabir as different from Ram of Ramayan. You guys question Shiva and are intent on creating a non-existent Shiva-Vishnu divide.
You put forward the demand of wanting to be recognized as a seperate religion; even though there is nothing original in Adi-Dharm.
Now i ask you::
If you are recognized as a seperate religion, what do you want to do about it now? There are no British to give you a seperate nation like Pakistan. There are no whites to help propagate the aryan-dravidian divide anymore; since scientific evidence is contrary to such ‘historical’ claims. You guys blamed your own country-men for your poverty based on caste (while it was the muslim and christian invaders like british that are in fact responsible for your poverty).
The Indian government has given you everything possible to make you guys educationally sound and materially wealthy. Then why do you still talk as though you are a deprived lot?
You said that if you are given a seperate religion status, you will not ask for reservations anymore. Is that your own conclusion or do all your Ambedkar-Organizations agree to that? If you are recognized as a seperate religion, will you agree and accept if all government-based incentives are completely removed from you? Please reply.
Ltn said
Chumber,
You called Gandhi a Scounderel.
You called freedom-fighters derisively as communal.
You refer to the British on praising terms; as though they are your saviours.
You seem proud to state this with an exclamatory mark that “The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! “.
You never want to extend your research to Christianity or Islam.
You are quick to defend negative things pointed out from Islam.
You have never said anything negative about Christianity, though things like incest have been recorded there.
You claim to be an Adi-Dharmi, which is just a political religion based on twisting around things from Hinduism, with help from missionaries. It is you guys that are messing with Rama and Krishna; and propagate negative things about the Vaishnava faith just as Periyar did in the south. You political writers have changed Ram of Kabir as different from Ram of Ramayan. You guys question Shiva and are intent on creating a non-existent Shiva-Vishnu divide.
You put forward the demand of wanting to be recognized as a seperate religion; even though there is nothing original in Adi-Dharm.
Now i ask you::
If you are recognized as a seperate religion, what do you want to do about it now? There are no British to give you a seperate nation like Pakistan. There are no whites to help propagate the aryan-dravidian divide anymore; since scientific evidence is contrary to such ‘historical’ claims. You guys blamed your own country-men for your poverty based on caste (while it was the muslim and christian invaders like british that are in fact responsible for your poverty).
The Indian government has given you everything possible to make you guys educationally sound and materially wealthy. Then why do you still talk as though you are a deprived lot?
You said that if you are given a seperate religion status, you will not ask for reservations anymore. Is that your own conclusion or do all your Ambedkar-Organizations agree to that? If you are recognized as a seperate religion, will you agree and accept if all government-based incentives are completely removed from you? Please reply.
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And don’t bother that am posting under another name. That was actually my confession – my name is not lavanyamuralidharan. None of the personal identifiers i give out anywhere are ever fully accurate. Am not a coward, just private and whenever there been a necessity, have not shirked from standing up for my responsibilites. So if there is a necessity you will know my details. And i don;t care that you will make twist it for your dumbedkar image.
happyhindu said
Am posting this for the nth time since you have been deleting it. You guys are clearly cowards and suckers. Whats the use of maintaining a blog and writing dumb articles — just to beg for money or go to the UK, is it?
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C.L.CHUMBER said,
December 12, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
I have not written anything about Mr. M.K.Gandhi .
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Chumber,
Since you suffer from selective (political) amnesia due to de-arranged (deranged) neuronic activity, am reproducing some your views on Gandhi:
NOTE to others:
To people who want to know more about Mangu Ram Muggowalia (a political ‘guru’ and British supporter), please read on why he wanted a seperate identity for Dalits as a seperate ‘religion’. Also please read about Poona Pact for Gandhi Vs Ambedkar.
My views: The Brits did not want a single united India, they wanted it divided in the name of religion and caste. Parts of the rubbish put forward by Muggowalia in the pre-independence days would certainly amount to sedition now; apart from big chunks of it being anti-constitutional.
The stooge-bags also twisted Hindusim around to found Ad-dharam, a politcal-religion based on nothing but ’shudra’ caste division. The writings of Kabir and Valmiki happen to be such “twisted-around” examples. No one cares about such rubbish now. Just that it happen to serve as great fodder for wannabe Prime-ministers And for missionaries too…And yeah, it looks like they can also easily go to the UK.
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 4, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
WHY NOT BRAHMINS CHANGE THEIRS COMMUNITY NAME AS HARIJAN ? ? ? ? ?
When Mr. M.K. Gandhi gave a name Harijan to the ex-untouchables ( SCs ) , Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia said ,” You Hindus are Harijans ! ” The Brahmins still mind if they are called Harijans – Sons of God !!!! Why ?
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C .L . CHUMBER said,
September 19, 2008 @ 6:01 am
MR.M.K.GANDHI APPOSED THE DALIT CAUSE AND EVEN TOOK FAST-UNTO-DEATH IN THE YERVADA PRISON , PUNE AGAINST THE DALIT CAUSE !!!!!
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
October 2, 2008 @ 11:54 pm
THE HINDU RASHTRA`S RASHTARPITA MR. M.K.GANDHI WAS A STAUNCH FLLOWER OF HINDU GOD RAM AND RAM RAJYA .
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
UNTOUCHABLES ( SCs) ARE NOT HINDUS .SCs ARE A SEPARATE ELEMENT !!!!!
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
..the above whole writing is DR.B.R.AMBAWDEKAR in his book ‘ WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLE .” ( PAGE 183 ,JAN.1991,) I HAVE JUST PRESENTED IT.
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C.L.CHUMBER said,
April 14, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
DR.Ambedkar delivered speeches in the Round Table Conferences in London that untouchables are a separate element in Indian society and he won by the communal award declared on 17th Aug.1932 but he lost by signing Gandhi-Ambedkar pact(Pune Pact).In March 1929,he wrote an editorial of his Bahishkrit Bharat weekly that untouchables must convert to Islam & there is no need to convert to Arya Samaj or Budhaism ! Before 53 days of his pre-nirvan, he embraced Budhaism.! In 1945 AD,he wrote a book`What congress & Gandhi have done to the untochables?` & in 1947 he took oath as minister in Nehru cabinet ! In 1945 he wrote a chapter`Are not untouchables a separate elements ?`in his master piece book `What congress &—-?` Next year he wrote a book to establish that untouchables are ex-Kashatary.!DR .Ambedkar denounced his pact with Mr.Gandhi.
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Please note Chumber’s demands in the last 2 lines of this note:
C. L . CHUMBER said,
May 5, 2008 @ 4:26 am
The govt.declared the communal award on 17th 1932 in which untouchables were recognised as separate element as Hindus ,Sikhs, Muslims and Anglo-Indians .But the manuwadi Mr Mohan Dass Karam Chand Gandhi declared his fast-unto-death against untouchables`separate equal status ! There was a Gandhi-Ambedkar pact ( Pune Pact ) on 24th sept.1932.The untouchables ( now SCs ) lost their separate identity to the Hindus & got some more seats on joint electorate basis in assemblies as well as reservation in govt. jobs.
Later on Dr.Ambedkar wrote a chapter `Poona Pact-A mean deal` in his book `What congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables ?`Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia14.1.1886-22.4.1980 ) founder president of the Adi-dharam mandal was also against Poona Pact. .Sahib Kanshi Ram in his book `THE CHAMCHA AGE-AN ERA OF THE STOOGES` wrote that Poona-pact produced dalit- stooges of the Hindus.Please amend the Indian constitution and codify SCs, STs and OBCs as separate elements as Hindus,Muslims and Christians and we will not avail reservation .Secondly give the Sikhs,Buddhists Jains also a separate religions status .
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C,L.CHUMBER said,
August 9, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
UNTOUCHABLES( SCs )ARE NOT HINDUS.THEY HAVE A SEPARATE IDENTITY !!!!!
-DR.AMBEDKAR IN ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI
HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
*****ACCORDING TO THIS TERMINOLOGY ,HINDUS ARE CALLED SAVARNAS AND OF THE UNTOUCHABLES AS PANCHAMAS .SUCH A TERMINOLOGY COULD NOT HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE IF SEPARATION HAD NOT BECOME SO PROMINENT AND ITS OBSERVANCE SI NECESSARY AS TO REQUIRE COINING OF SPECIAL TERMS TO GIVE EXPRESSION TO THE FACT .
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And Chumber typically loves the British:
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C . L . CHUMBER said,
August 25, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
NEITHER BRAHMINS NOR SHANKRACHARYA EVER HELPED SHUDRAS !!!!! We got reservation from Britishers not from Brahmins !
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C . L. CHUMBER said,
September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
BRITISHERS GAVE US CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY, GOVT.( LEGISLATURE, EXECUTIVE , JUDICIARY ),RAILWAYS , COMMUNICATION,POSTAL ,ENGLISH , GOVT. SCHOOLS , AIRLINES !!!!!
(Note: also please note that Christian missionaries always seem to like to mention a ‘few good words’ about the white masters who still control their minds).
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C . L. CHUMBER said,
September 1, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
M/S Bhagat Singh , Chander Shekhar and Subash Chander Bose were communal .They fought for their own liberation .They did not fought for SCs , STs and OBCs .Chander Shekhar Azad used to wear the sacred thread out of his shirt which Shudra can not wear .Mr . S.C.Bose opposed the legal rights of SCs . Bhagat Singh was an Arya Samaji which is against the SCs,STs , OBCs , Sikhs,Muslims,Buddhists and Jains .( Please read the daya Nand `s Satyarth Parksh.
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Posting Chumber’s writing from another blog:
C,L.CHUMBER (20:56:32) :
I BELIEVED TEMPLE ENTRY WOULD MAKE THEM EQUAL MEMBERS IN AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE HINDU SOCIETY ? – AMBEDKAR !!!!! ( 3rd March , 1932 )
Dear Viwers ,
In Punjab an arain obc muslim Karim Bakhsh converted to Sikhism .His son Bhai Mehtab Singh Bir initiated a movement against the untouchability in the Golden Temple at Amritsar by arranging a two day conference 11 and 12 october ,1920 at the Jallianwala Bagh , Amritsar .
In Punjab Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia an untouchable migrated to U.S.A. in Dec.,1909 and became a leader of the evolutionary organization the Gadhar Party founded on 13th April,1913 . S.Sohan Singh Bhakna and Lala Hardyal were its president and general secretary respectively .( Pl visit ambedkartimes.com for more on Baba Muggowalia ).
He founded the Adi-dharem Mandal on 11-12 June,1926 in a vast rally at his village Muggowal distt.Hoshiarpur.His Adi-dharam Mandal said that they are neither Hindus nor the Hindus belong to us .They declared that our religion and people had a separate identity and our Adi-mahagurus are Valmik,Namdev,Ravidas,Kabir and other shudra saints.They said that they are the aboriginals of India and the Hindus ( Brahmins,Kshattrya and vaish are the foreigner Aryans.The Adi-dharam was registered in census in 1931AD amd more than 5 millions equal to Charistians recorded as Adi-dharami ! Dr. Ambedkar appreciated this move in his book the S” Source material on Baba Sahib Ambedkar” .
Baba Sahib Ambedkar should follow the Adi-dharam and not sign on the Poona Pact which he denounced later on in his book ” what Congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables .”
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Regards.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
lavanyamuralidharan said,
December 11, 2008 @ 7:15 am
happyhindu said
I WROTE THAT I HAD NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING ABOUT MR. M.K. GANDHI IN RESPONSE TO THE QUERY .YOU ARE DIVERTING THE ISSUES . YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR JOB ETHICALLY .
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Chumber, you are the last person that shd be talking about ethics.
You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal and claimed that dalits are a seprate element (not hindus).
You also said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times. Write with all details.
It wud be interesting to see how the rest of the so-called self-appointed dalits react.
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
happyhindu said,
December 17, 2008 @ 2:06 am
Chumber, ….
You are the one that called Gandhi a scounderal
happyhind said
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
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It is a difficult situation when one suffers from verbal diarrhea as well as political amnesia at the same time….everything you have written is also saved up chumber…take a look below:
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
hh said
C.L .CHUMBER said,
December 17, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
WHERE DID I WRITE MR. M.K. GANDHI scounderal ?
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Already posted this but your dear dalitnation deleted it. Its the mark of a perfect politician to suffer from politicial amnesia and retract words. But remember that everything you have written has been saved. Please read below:
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
happyhindu said
Next time do not forget what you write. Take a look below:
C . L . CHUMBER said,
September 29, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
” THE MANUWADIS ARE NOW TRYING ALL THEIR BEST TO SNOOP AND DESTROY THE DALIT AWAKENING !!!!!
6 ) Ambedkar finally had to buckle under the pressure tactics of scoundrel Gandhi and sign the Poona pact. The Dalit rights were once again curtailed by the criminal Manuwadis.
C.L .CHUMBER said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
C.L .CHUMBER said
WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
happyhindu said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
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Chumber,
Even if you lie or retract your statements, its all been recorded. Your called Gandhi a Scounderal in the first post on this page under point 6:
WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
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Stupid people who paste the same thing in several places to hog space should not be commenting on others about space wastage.
happyhindu said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
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Chumber,
Even if you lie or retract your statements, its all been recorded. Your called Gandhi a Scounderal in the first post on this page under point 6:
WHY IS HH AND HAPPY HINDU ONE PERSON WASTED THE SPACE THRICE ?
IS HE NOT ABSENT MIND ?
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Stupid people who paste the same thing in several places to hog space should not be commenting on others about space wastage. Stupid politicians who call others names and then conveniently forget it, should not be wasting time calling others as “absent mind”.
happyhindu said
Chumber,
Am repeating this:
You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.
happyhindu said
I HAVE NOT WRITTEN EVEN A SINGLE WORD DATED 29/9/2008 UNDER THIS ARTICLE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ .WHERE DID I WROTE ABOUT GANDHI
scoundrel ?
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You did write Chumber.
See your comment here calling Gandhi a Scounderal:
C.L .CHUMBER said
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
C.L .CHUMBER said
MERE YAAR NU MANDA NA BOLIN! MERI BHAVEN JIND KADH LA !!
DON`T BLAME MY FRIEND, YOU MAY EVEN KILL ME -P. CHIDAMBARAM!!!
The world electronic and print media gave maximum coverage to the Mumbai terror 26th November, 2008. The ruling alliance at the centre sacrificed its home minister Mr. Shiv Raj Patil and Maharashtra’s chief minister Mr. Vilas Rao Deshmukh and his home minister. But not the in charge secretary, home at centre and state were not disturbed. Not even a constable was suspended! Why? A constable having a 303 gun with him at the Shivaji Railway Terminus did not fire at the terrorists. An other constable Mr. Yadav who had no gun dared to snatch his gun and fired at the terrorists. This frightened the terrorists and they run away. Mr. Lalu Parshad Yadav, railway minister honoured Constable Mr. Yadav with a grant of Rs. Ten lacs but he did not punish the constable who did not open fire. Why? Not a single person was held responsible from the coastal guards. Are only politicians / legislature responsible? What for the Raw , CBI , IB , central CID , state CID , army CID , army , police , and Para-military forces . Why the operation was started by the NSG after 9 hours. Why the top most 3 officers who dealt with the Malegaon bomb blasts were easily killed .There is a news in the Times Of India ( epaper.timesofindia.com ) , New Delhi / Chandigarh dated 4th December , 2008 under headline ,” BELIEVE IT OR NOT , PAK TV CHANNEL SAYS 26/11 WORK OF HINDU ZIONISTS .” It is uploaded on http://www.hotklix.com as the news claimed.
The Sunday Indian weekly ( http://www.thesundayindian.com ) dated 1-7 December , 2008 flashed on title page ” 26/11 HOW THE ANTI-HINDU MENTALITY OF MEDIA AND POLITICIANS MADE IT HAPPEN ” by Arindam Chaudhuri .Mr. Chaudhuri`s bent of mind may be judged when he described India as Hindustan which is unconstitutional terminology. He wrote against the politicians and journalists but not against the beaurocrats. He said that Hindus are in majority. But these people wrote against the reservation of so called Hindu OBCs!
There is very sensitive news in the Times of India dated 13th December, 2008 .The headlines of this news are “NO AGENCY TO BLAME THE INTEL FAILURE, SAYS PC “. The newly appointed home minister of India defended its agencies. If they can not take stern action the beaurocrates responsible for the security of India , then why they sacked home minister of India , chief minister and his home minister ? IS THIS CONSPIRACY TO FINISH THE BRAVE POLICE OFFICERS WHO EXPOSED THE HANDS OF HINDU TERRORISTS IN THE MALEGAON BOMB BLAST AND EXPLOSONS IN THE SAMJAUTA EXPRESS TRAIN?? ? ? ? ? WHY WAS THE DATE OF 26/11 COINCIDED WITH THE ELECTION OF STATE ASSEMBLIES OF DELHI, RAJASTHAN AND MADHA PARDESH?? ? ? ? ? WHY DID THE HOME MINISTER DEFEND HIS BEAUROCRATS?? ? ? ? IN APRIL 2008, AN R.S.S. IDEALOGUE MR. MADHAV FROM NAGPUR WROTE AN ARTICLE THAT CONGRESS AND BJP MUST JOIN HANDS!!!!! ARE CONGRESS AND BJP JOINED HANDS TO FINISH THE BRAVE POLICE OFFICERS TO GET BENEFIT IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS!!!!! THERE MUST BE U.N.O. COMMISSION TO RESEARCH THE FACTS BEHIND THE MUMBAI TERROR!!!!!
happyhindu said
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT . I HAVE REPRODUCED FROM THE ARTICLE OF THE
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Chumber,
You made the comment abt Gandhi as a Scounderal in your own post without referring to the article. You are a perfect politician Chumber. Forget it.
Am more interested in this::
You said that if you guys were given seperate religion status, then you will not seek reservations. If that is your final stand, then i want you to write about it in your next issue of Ambedkar Times.
C.L. CHUMBER said
PLEASE WAIT FOR SOME TIME , WE WILL FIX YOUR RELIGION AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN RESERVATION !!!!!
happyhindu said
PLEASE WAIT FOR SOME TIME , WE WILL FIX YOUR RELIGION AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN RESERVATION !!!!!
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Am supposing that you are telling this to me.
Well Chumber, nothing people like you malicious dastards do can change anything in ANY religion.
If there is any “change” it will come from the scientific world or the spiritual world, certainly not from cheapskate politicians like you.
As far as reservations is concerned, you can keep it. Those that pass out with low standards end up coming up only to “that” extent anyways…
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS CAN NOT HAVE SCIENTIFIC MIND .
happyhindu said
THE FOLLOWERS OF RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS CAN NOT HAVE SCIENTIFIC MIND .
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And stupid dastradly politicians like you have a “scientific mind”?
C.L.CHUMBER said
I AM SCIENTIFIC MIND BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . YOU ARE OF ABUSIVE MIND .
happyhind said
I AM SCIENTIFIC MIND BECAUSE I DO NOT USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE . YOU ARE OF ABUSIVE MIND .
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Unfortunately for you Chumber, only you consider yourself that way.
There is not a single person who does not think you are mad. And you ARE of abusive mind seeking to abuse religion and people.
Your maniac depression is just too obvious even to a lawyer. Am sure a professional psychiatrist can tell more.
Yes, i am abusive. Because you are abusive. If you do not want people to be abusive towards you, then give straight answers to straight questions. Why do you keep repeating lies abt being an aboriginal indian and about hindu gods.
True Indian said
lol.. you guys should really stop doing this, if someone from another country like paki or china sees this, then this would not look very good.
To the Brahmins,
Taste of your own medicine… how do you like it? For years you have used the divide and rule(caste) policy and corrupted the Hindu religion. Now the same policy is coming to bite your sorry asses. Those people whom you described as untouchables deserve the right to reservation until they get up from the bottom of the social & economic classes. If you don’t like it then return to your home in central asia with your stupid vedas.
To the so called low castes,
I understand you anger but converting to a shitty religion like christianity or Islam isn’t the answer. Those desert religions are barbaric religions engaging in slaughter and no holier than Hinduism. If you are really angry then atleast become Agnostic with morals. Don’t convert to Christianity!!!
Oh.. btw, I’m not an atheist. Just somewhere between a hindu with no castes and agnostism.
True Indian said
Not to mention, I’m formerly not from either of your so called high & low castes.
Indian said
lol.. you guys should really stop doing this, if someone from another country like paki or china sees this, then this would not look very good.
To the Brahmins,
Taste of your own medicine… how do you like it? For years you have used the divide and rule(caste) policy and corrupted the Hindu religion. Now the same policy is coming to bite your sorry asses. Those people whom you described as untouchables deserve the right to reservation until they get up from the bottom of the social & economic classes. If you don’t like it then return to your shitty central asia with your stupid vedas.
To the so called low castes,
I understand you anger but converting to a shitty religion like christianity or Islam isn’t the answer. Those desert religions are barbaric religions engaging in slaughter and no holier than Hinduism. If you are really angry then atleast become Agnostic with morals. Don’t convert to Christianity!!!
Oh.. btw, I’m not an atheist. Just somewhere between a hindu with no castes and agnostism.
happyhind said
True Indian@Indian,
You have made a small mistake.
Vedic cultures are from within India not from Central Asia.
And all brahmins do not come from Central Asia.
Everyone, i repeat, every single indian in this caste mess, comes from a mixture of old castes / tribes.
happyhind said
TrueIndian@Indian,
Vedic cultures are from India, not Central Asia. Wonder why this falsehood thing abt central asia is so popular.
All brahmins do not come from Central Asia. Those old castes / groups do not exist anymore. Each and every indian is a mix of those old castes / tribes.
Dilip Muralidaran said
@Indian:
Can you even get any more immature by saying “Taste of your own medicine”. How do you justify punishing the lamb for the mistakes of the goat?
Can we discriminate against all germans right now because hitler was an asshole?
Can we discriminate against all christians because of the holy war?
Can we discriminate against all muslims because of osama?
Can we discriminate against all dalits because there are ppl taking advantage of the creamy layer and denying the reservations to the real needy ones?
Grow up, will you? Please!
People here are against Caste based reservations. Just because you are born in a brahmin caste it does not make you rich. I was born in one and there are times when i’ve had one square meal a day for about 3 years during my childhood due to poverty. While my friends who were born in so called chettiar families and naidu families were dropped in school in a maruti santro, i cycled a physically disabled tricycle donated by lions club to school.
See how rational it is to decide on the basis of caste? Reservations should go to the needy and poor. Automatically being some caste does not make you rich or poor.
Agnosticism is great, thanks for the recommendation. Being an atheist myself i see the lack of need for something as irrational as religion when we have decoded the human genome sequence and currently testing a possible cure for AIDS which seems to be working in so many test cases.
The problem in india is religion. There is too much of it. If you remove religion, reservations would be a thing of the past. Equality and balance will fall into place. So as long as there is religion, equality is a hell whore of a lie. It will never exist. Ones imaginary friend in the sky will always be more holier than thou and more powerful or better than another imaginary crackpot in the sky.
C.L.CHUMBER said
happyhind said,
January 7, 2009 @ 8:45 am
THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
I WROTE A RESEARCH ARTICLE ” WHO SAY ARYANS ARE NOT FOREIGNERS ? ” IN ” THE BABU MANGU RAM MUGGAWALIA SOUVENIR 1985 AD .” IN THIS ARTICLE I REPRODUCED MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS`WRITINGS IN WHICH THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!!
happyhind said,
January 7, 2009 @ 8:45 am
True Indian@Indian,
You have made a small mistake.
Vedic cultures are from within India not from Central Asia.
And all brahmins do not come from Central Asia.
Everyone, i repeat, every single indian in this caste mess, comes from a mixture of old castes / tribes.
hh said
THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
I WROTE A RESEARCH ARTICLE ” WHO SAY ARYANS ARE NOT FOREIGNERS ? ” IN ” THE BABU MANGU RAM MUGGAWALIA SOUVENIR 1985 AD .” IN THIS ARTICLE I REPRODUCED MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS`WRITINGS IN WHICH THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!
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eureka!!! so finally you did discover that you are a barbaric foreigner…
(gawd..even madmen publish “research articles” to sell..but sad for the poor dearies that nobody ever buys…hehe)
hh said
THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
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Yes, finally you realized that you are a barbaric foreigner.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS ADMITTED IN THEIR WRITINGS THAT THEY ( BRAHMINS , KASHATTRIYAS AND VAISH ) ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!
hh said,
January 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am
THE ARYANS ARE BARBARIC FOREIGNERS .
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Yes, finally you realized that you are a barbaric foreigner.
happyhind said
MR. M.K.GANDHI ,MR. J.L.NEHRU , LALA LAJPAT RAI AND MANY MORE HINDU WRITERS ADMITTED IN THEIR WRITINGS THAT THEY ( BRAHMINS , KASHATTRIYAS AND VAISH ) ARE ARYANS AS WELL AS FOREIGNERS !!!!
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There was no genetics in their times. There were only historians. Some Western ones had their own interests to push. Among Indians too some historians had their own “leanings” and had been producing a cartload of trash. Some linked every tom, dick and harry who became a mini king to krishna and rama. Who will beleive the trash. Someday soon science will rewrite history. Politicians will be jobless then.
happyh said
You talk about gandhi, rai and nehru but not yourself. So in a way you have accepted that you are a barbarian foreigner. That’s good.
C.L.CHUMBER said
YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ?
IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
hh said,
January 10, 2009 @ 2:03 am
Chumber,
Pointing out how your comments sound – so utterly stupid, mad-like, making no sense like the output of total idiocy, makes no difference to you. In your madness you will keep barking.
Am only interested in this:: You said you filed a case. Give me the details of the case.
happyhind said
IT IS FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ALREADY FILED A CASE AGAINST YOUR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS IN THE PEOPLE`S PARLIAMENT . PLEASE GO TO PUBLIC AND SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT YOUR GODS ARE NOT RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
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Do not just keep repeating the same thing in caps.
Just give the details of the case you have filed.
Where on earth is this “people’s parliament” where people file cases (lol).
Do not fool people.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ABUSING VAIDIK STYLE TO PRESSURE CHUMBER !!!!!
happyhind said
January 23, 2009 @ 12:58 am
Chumber,
What we are doing is personal abuse to pressure you in.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ANTI SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT AND HENCE ANTI-CONSTITUTION AS WELL AS ANTI INDIA .HE IS ABSENT MIND . HE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF ANTI-INDIAN CONSTITUTION INDO ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS OR THEIR STOOGE !!!!!
happyhind said
January 22, 2009 @ 9:29 am
Chumber,
I am being very decent with someone like you.
If you want, ask someone to call you an idiot a 100 times in court. That is called peronal abuse
happyhind said
Chumber,
Ofcourse we have to pressure you in. Because you are a liar and fraudster. That is the only way to get you to file a case. And only if you file a case, it will be firmly proven (without being challenged) that the Chumber writing nonsense on this blog is the same as the Chumber of Aaj Tak and Ambedkar Times (establishing proof of identity is needed).
It is clear that you are mad. So you will continue to use the words ‘vaidik style’, ‘anti-constitution’, ‘anti-india, or whatever in your madness.
Instead of talking and lying so much, why do you not provide details of the case? It is better you just accept that you have lied all the way thru.
Chandra hasan said
The stupid fools who have written this article know nothing about racial phenotypes.
The South Indian Upper castes (Brahmins, Kapu, Nairs, Reddy) are the only pure Dravidian Race on earth.
South Indian lower castes are an admixture and a mutt of Dravidian and Austroloid races.
The Dalits and Untouchables are pure austroloid race. Neither dravidian nor aryans.
The North Indians upper caste are an admixture of Aryan-caucasiod and Dravidian.They are also mutts.
North India lower caste are an admixture of Aryan and Dravidians with predominance of dravidian characterstics.
The Dalits in North India are australloid.
So where does that leave you all.
happyhind said
Chandra Hasan,
There is nothing called a “dravidian race”.
Currently accepted ones in various studies are: Australoid Race, Caucasoid Race, Mongoloid Race, and Negroid Race.
Dravidian is a linguistic classificiation. There are caucasoids speaking a dravidian language…what does that make them…
happyhind said
Chandra Hasan,
Please also note this
(source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/techbull/nd03/nd03_med_data_changes.html) :
The MeSH term Racial Stocks and its four children (Australoid Race, Caucasoid Race, Mongoloid Race, and Negroid Race) have been deleted from MeSH in 2004.
A new heading, Continental Population Groups, has been created with new indentions that emphasize geography. Ethnic Groups is a sibling to the new Continental Population Groups.
Indexers will now be indexing to the geographic origins.
To accommodate this change in policy, the following edits were made in MeSH headings on MEDLINE citations:
2003 Heading 2004 Replaced-by-Heading
Aborigines Oceanic Ancestry Group
Australoid Race Oceanic Ancestry Group
Blacks African Americans
Caucasoid Race European Continental Ancestry Group
Eskimos Inuits
Mongoloid Race Asian Continental Ancestry Group
Negroid Race African Continental Ancestry Group
Racial Stocks Continental Population Groups
Whites European Continental Ancestry Group
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDI !
IS IT THIS CIVILIZED WAY TO PRESSURIZE ANY ONE BY ABUSING AND BLAMING AS YOUR GOOD SELF CLAIMED ?
WHY ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT I WILL FILE A COURT CASE AGAINST YOU AS I HAD ALREADY WROTE – ” YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR LEGAL FIGHT .
I WROTE THAT THE SUPREME COURT DELIVERED JUDGMENT ” IF ANY ONE CALL ANOTHER PERSON IDIOT , HE/SHE WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS .” YOU INTENTIONALLY ABOUT THREE DOZEN TIMES IDIOT TO ME .DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN JUDICIARY ? ”
I AM THE SAME PERSON OF THIS BLOG , THE PUNJAB AAJ TAK AND WEBSITE AMBEDKARTIMES.COM . NOW WHAT YOU WANT . YOU HAVE MY FULL POSTAL ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ALSO .NOW I FIRMLY PROOVE . GO AND FILE CASE SO THAT THE JUDGE WILL DELIVER HIS / HER JUDGMENT WETHER YOUR GOOD SELF`S GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BASED ON HINDU SCRIPTURES OR NOT !!!!!
happyhind said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:34 am
Chumber,
Ofcourse we have to pressure you in. Because you are a liar and fraudster. That is the only way to get you to file a case. And only if you file a case, it will be firmly proven (without being challenged) that the Chumber writing nonsense on this blog is the same as the Chumber of Aaj Tak and Ambedkar Times (establishing proof of identity is needed).
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. CHANDER HASSAN ! IS ANY AUTHORITATIVE RESEARCH SCHOLAR ON ANY SUBJECT USES WORDS ” stupid fools ” AGAINST OTHER SCHOLAR ?
FIRST OF ALL , YOU SHOULD BEHAVE GENTLY !
Chandra hasan said
January 28, 2009 @ 8:08 am
The stupid fools who have written this article know nothing about racial phenotypes.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MMK Rao said
January 27, 2009 @ 9:03 am
‘Dalits’ is a creation of the politicians and pseudo social reformers like Karunanidhi, Ambedkar, etc who actually did nothing for those sections of people who refused to come into the mainstream perhaps due to an inferiority complex.
ANSWER : THE DALITS WHO ARE EX-UNTOUCHABLES ARE THE CREATION OF THE GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS OF THE INDO-ARYAN VAIDIK HINDUS .
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION UNDER WHICH WE ARE RULED .THIS CONSTITUTION SANCTIONED EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL INDIAN CITIZENS INCLUDING THE DALITS / SCs !
IF DR. AMBEDKAR DID ” NOTHING ” FOR DALITS , THEN NOTHING MEANS ” EVERYTHING ” FOR THE DALITS !!!!!
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE MAINSTREAM ?
DO YOU MEAN THE MANUWADI STREAM ?
NOW THE ” INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL STREAM ” IS THE THE LEGITIMATE MAINSTREAM !!!!!
THE DALITS HAVE NO INFERIORITY COMPLEX ! YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT JOINING THE ” INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL MAINSTREAM ” DUE TO THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX AND MANUWADI EGO !!!!!
IS NOT TRUE ? ? ? ? ? ?
( 2 ) At any rate, now laws have been made by the politicians which DO entitle them to several opportunities for growth. Hence, those who call themselves Dalits or are called so b y politicians must get over the psychology and look to those great Dalits who have grown up on the materialistic plane using the opportunities given to them.
ANSWER : THERE ARE TWO LAWS IN PRACTICE STILL IN INDIA . IN A SOCIETY TO SOME EXTENT ESPECIALLY IN ILLITERATES AND DEPENDENTS ON THE MANUWADIS , THE MANUWADI LAW IS IN PRACTICE .IN THE GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IS IN PRACTICE . THE MANUWADI LAW IS AGAINST DEADLY AGAINST THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ( SCs/STs/OBCs AND MINORITIES CONVERTED FROM THESE CASTES ) AND THE INDIAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IS PRO INDIAN CITIZENS INCLUDING THE DALITS . THAT IS WHY THE DALITS PREFERS TO THE VAIDIK HINDUS .
( 3 ) By the way, apart from the so called Dalit sections, there are vast sections of other poor and socially neglected people in India, who do NOT have such legal encouragements.
ANSWER : THEN WE SHOULD DO SOME WORK . DON`T DO LIPS` SERVICE .
( 4 ) The best way forward for Dalits as well as the other poor sections is to ignore politicians and those who claim to champion their causes. These unfortunate people should then be able to see things in clear perspective.
ANSWER : WHY DO WE IGNORE THE POLITICIANS IN A DEMOCRATIC WORLD ?
THE POLITICIANS BECOME THE LEGISLATIVE WING OF THE GOVERNMENT AFTER BEING ELECTED AS MPs ( LOK SABHA / RAJYA SABHA ) AT CENTRE AND M.L.AS / M.L.Cs AT STATE LEVEL .
BY IGNORING THE LEGISLATURE , HOW CAN WE SEE THINGS IN A BETTER AND CLEAR PERSPECTIVE .
ACTUALLY , THE MANUWADIS HAVE COMPLETE HOLD ON THE EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIARY WINGS OF THE GOVERNMENTS AND THEY ARE LOOSING HOLD ON THE LEGISLATURE VERY FAST AND SURELY .THAT IS WHY THEY ARE FORMING THE ” ABHINAV BHARAT ” AND THE RAM SENA IN FRUSTRATION !!!!!
THUS MR.MMK RAO HAS NO LOGIC IN HIS VIEWS !!!!!
happyhind said
I AM THE SAME PERSON OF THIS BLOG , THE PUNJAB AAJ TAK AND WEBSITE AMBEDKARTIMES.COM . NOW WHAT YOU WANT . YOU HAVE MY FULL POSTAL ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ALSO .NOW I FIRMLY PROOVE . GO AND FILE CASE SO THAT THE JUDGE WILL DELIVER HIS / HER JUDGMENT WETHER YOUR GOOD SELF`S GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BASED ON HINDU SCRIPTURES OR NOT !!!!!
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Give your PAN number, Voter’s ID number and Full name.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THESE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO FILE A SUIT AGAINST ANYONE !
YOU MAY FILE A SUIT WITHOUT THESE DOCUMENTS . PLEASE CONSULT YOUR GOOD SELF`S BRILLIANT ADVOCATE !
YOU FILE SUIT AGAINST THE PRIESTS OF YOUR RELIGION WHO PREACH IN FAVORS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AS YOU CLAIMED MANY TIMES IN THIS BLOG THAT YOU ARE AGAINST RAPEISM , RACISM AND FASCISM !!!!!
happyhind said
January 29, 2009 @ 9:37 am
Give your PAN number, Voter’s ID number and Full name.
hh said
So Chumber its great to know you were booked under TADA before. No more proof of your identity required.
Now I am very confident about asking this blog to be investigated – you yourself have admitted a few times that you and VT Rajshekhar work together – so you have endorsed that this blog is the voice of you and Rajshekhar.
I wish you had included Kancha also in – then it wud have been 3 birds in one stone. Never mind, Rajshekhar is good enough. You first, rajshekhar next.
Chumber, now just be a good boy and give us your TADA case file number 😀
happyhind said
I wrote in detail in my monthly magazine in July , 1986 , the government banned that issue and even imposed TADA 3/4 and IPC 153-A but did not dare to arrest me . Mr. V.T. Rajshekar and myself were the two on whom TADA was imposed .
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Chumber,
Give your TADA file number.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ AS –
I WAS BOOKED UNDER TADA BECAUSE I PUBLISHED A FOUR COLOUR PHOTOGRAPH OF KING RAMA SLAUGHTERING innocent and pious Shudra saint Shambuk ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR MAGAZINE`S NOVEMBER . 1986 ISSUE !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
February 3, 2009 @ 3:22 pm
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ALSO GOOD ENOUGH .WE ENJOY HIS ABUSING , BLAMING WRITINGS IN FRUSTRATION AND THE STATE OF HIS FLICKERING MIND !
hh said
February 2, 2009 @ 2:53 pm
I wish you had included Kancha also in – then it wud have been 3 birds in one stone. Never mind, Rajshekhar is good enough. You first, rajshekhar next.
hh said
I WAS BOOKED UNDER TADA BECAUSE I PUBLISHED A FOUR COLOUR PHOTOGRAPH OF KING RAMA SLAUGHTERING innocent and pious Shudra saint Shambuk ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR MAGAZINE`S NOVEMBER . 1986 ISSUE !!!!!
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Chumber,
Instead of shouting so much, just give your TADA case file number. Yes, we will file a case.
If you do not want to give the case file number, then provide your personal proof of identity and accept you will not change any sentence in court.
You can come to court and shout as much as you want about anything you want.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HOW DID YOU DECLARE ME TERRORIST WITHOUT ANY COURT JUDGEMENT ?
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
IF THE GOVERNMENT / EXECUTIVE BOOK YOU UNDER TADA / MOKA , YOU WILL NOT BE TREATED OR DECLARED AS TERRORIST UNLESS THE COURT DELIVER JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOU . AND IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO APPEAL IN THE HIGHER COURT AGAINST THIS JUDGEMENT .
YOUR ADVOCATES RELATIVES MUST HAD TOLD YOU .
HOW DID YOU DECLARE ME TERRORIST WITHOUT ANY COURT JUDGEMENT ?
HOW WILL YOU FEEL IF SOME ONE SPEAK / WRITE THAT YOU RAPED YOUR MOTHER / SISTER / DAUGHTER !!!!!
YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LAW . YOUR WIFE MAY EVEN FILE A CASE AGAINST YOU IF YOU INTERCOURSE WITH HER WITHOUT HER CONSENT .
YOU SHAMEFULLY STAND FOR RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ( HAVING PROOFS IN YOUR SCRIPTURES ! ) AND DECLARE TERRORISTS OTHERS . ARE YOU JUDGE OF A COURT ESTABLISHED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURE ? ? ? ? ?
YOU HURTED MY SENTIMENTS AND DIGNITY DAILY PERSONALLY !
YOU ARE THE REAL MANUWADI TERRORIST WHO DEFEND THE RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS .
YOU ARE WRITING LIKE A CUNNING FELLOW . THIS IS THE HISTORIC DEBATE AND YOU WILL BE MARKED NEGATIVE TOTALLY .
PLEASE NOTE IT THAT YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL FEEL ASHAMED OF YOUR ABUSING , BLAMING HABITS AND FLICKERING MIND !!!!!
hh said
February 2, 2009 @ 2:45 pm
Chumber,
So you are a terrorist booked for terrorist acts and disruptive activities…
C . L . CHUMBER said
114.
INDIA IS BEING GOVERNED BY THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTED BY A CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF A SHUDRA DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR .
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
GOSWAMI TULSI DASS WROTE IN HIS ” RAMCHRIT MANAS ” : –
DHOR , GANWAR , SHUDAR AUR NARI ,
YEH CHARON TARHAN KE ADHIKARI !
WHICH MEANS – THE ANIMALS , IDIOTS , SHUDAR ( SCs /STs /OBCs ) AND WOMEN ALL THESE FOUR CATEGORIES ARE LIABLE TO BE DISCARDED !
NOW MRS.INDIRA GANDHI A WOMAN WAS PRIME MINISTER OF INDIAN REPUBLIC AND PRESENT MRS. PRATIBHA PATIL IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BIGGEST EVER DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY .MRS. SONIA GANDHI , ANOTHER WOMAN IS THE PRESIDENT IF THE NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY RULING INDIA . THERE ARE NUMERIOUS PANCHES / SARPANCHES /MLAs/MPs /MINISTERS AMONG WOMEN AND SHUDRAS !
INDIA IS BEING GOVERNED BY THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTED BY A CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF A SHUDRA DR. B.R. AMBEDKAR .LATE MR. K.R. NARAYNAN . PRESIDENT OF INDIA WAS ALSO SHUDRA ! THE PRESENT CHIEF JUSTICE OF INDIA , MR.K.G. BALAKRISHNAN IS ALSO A SHUDRA .
THESE ARE THE PROOFS THAT THE HINDUISM IS GOING TO WANE FAST !
happyhind said
February 2, 2009 @ 9:32 am
No matter what you do, hindusim never wanes…so you can keep howling
forever…
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C . L . CHUMBER said
OUR INDIAN CONSTITUTION ACCEPTED THESE THESE MOVEMENTS ` AIMS AND OBJECTS BUT THE RULERS DID NOT RECOGNIZED AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS !!!!! WHY ?
Recently, the Indian government recognized the Namdhari Movement and the Jallianwala Bagh martyrs as the parts of the National freedom movement on 27th January, 2009 . The both movements will be entitled for the Grants and freedom fighters honour scheme-1980 AD. Professor Malvinder Singh a prominent historian filed a public interest litigation petition in the Punjab & Haryana High Court, Chandigarh to declare these movements as part of the National freedom movement. Baba Mangu Ram Muggowalia was awarded by Mrs. Indira Gandhi then Prime Minister of India as freedom fighter of the Gadhar Party, USA but he was never honoured as the founder of the social resurgent movement the Adi-Dharam Mandal Punjab. Why not the Indian government and state governments declare these social resurgent movements AS FREEDOM MOVEMENTS i.e. Adi-Dharam Mandal of North India , Adi-Dravida of Tamilnadu , Namo-Shudra of Bengal , Adi-Andhra of Andhra Pardesh , Adi-Karnatka of Karnatka , Mahar Movement of Maharashtra , Satya Shodak Samaj of Pune , Adi-Hindu Maha Sabha of U.P , Scheduled Castes Federation , Baba Ayyan Kali and Narayana Guru of Kerala`s movements , revered Periyar’s self respect and many more which fought against the Aryan imperialism’s Varna / caste system slavery . Our Indian constitution accepted these movements ` aims and objects but did not recognized as freedom movements! Why? What is the definition of the freedom adopted by the present “sawdesi rulers “????? The Indian citizens must dare to assert to theirs legitimate as well human rights to dynamite the manuwadi spirit forever to establish the Indian constitution drafted by under the chairmanship of revered Baba Sahib Dr. Ambedkar. This constitution was passed by the constituent assembly elected by the then India voters as well as Indian government! LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF EQUALITY, EQUITY, QUALITY, LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL!!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
HAVE YOU THIS REAL NAME ? ? ? ? ?
WHY ARE YOU USING SO MANY FICTITIOUS NAMES LIKE TERRORISTS ? ? ? ? ?
Dear Happy Hindu Pal DUKHI RAM ,
You claimed so many times that you have my complete address , email address .But you did not filed any case against me .Now you are asking Mr. Kumarpushp his name and address ! Have you this real name ? You admitted in writing in this blog how many fictitious names you use in this blog !!!!! If you deny , your statement can be reproduced !!!!! B/W what are your real name , real address , real email address and real parents and your parents real names , your real wife name and your real children names ( you may write fictitious names of theirs also ! ) . Then talk gently and not in abusing and blaming language !
hh said
February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am
Kumarpushp,
Give your name and address. We shall arrange for a long-term meeting b/w you and Chumber.
hh said
Chumber,
You shall know my name and details in court.
You do not need to talk on behalf of someone with aliases like Kureela@Kumarpushp.
So, just give your personal proof of identity. Come to court and prove your utter nonsense.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU PAL DUKHI RAM !
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ADDRESS , EMAIL ADDRESS .
WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING GIVING HIS ADDRESS AND EMAIL ADDRESS ETC ?
I TALKED AS YOU MENTIONED MY NAME WITH MR.KUMARPUSHP ? ( hh said
February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am ) . IS THIS ILLEGAL / UNETHICAL ?
hh said
February 10, 2009 @ 1:54 pm
Chumber,
You shall know my name and details in court.
You do not need to talk on behalf of someone with aliases like Kureela@Kumarpushp.
hh said
February 9, 2009 @ 8:50 am
Kumarpushp,
Give your name and address. We shall arrange for a long-term meeting b/w you and Chumber.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ALAS ! BRAHMA WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM AS WELL AS THE DEVDASI SYSTEM LIKE EVER FILTHY SYSTEM !!!!!
SHAME ON YOU M/S HAPPY HINDUS !
In the introduction of the book ‘ Women of Pride : the Devadasi heritage ‘ written by Mrs.Lashmi Vishwanathanwe read ,” The devadasi was the proverbial dancing girl of India . Her name immediately suggests the two words she inhabited – those of Gods and of slaves .She served Gods ( deva ) , and men who assumed godly status , as a slave ( dasi ) , and considered it an honour in doing so .The persona of the God changed over time . First , he was the allpowerful Supreme Being ,worshiped in the temple . Later , he was the ‘ king’ who was attended by elaborate ceremony . Gradually , the king too became God , and demanded divine rights . The devdasi shifted throughthe vicissitudes of temple , court and social life , unfaltering in her trained steps ! ”
The worthy writer dared to establish ,” In vedic times Pumschali was the courtsean who became a gandharvagrihita – one possessed by a gandharva , or a celestial spirit .She danced and served holy men known as rishis . She also served Kings , being an expert in a plethora of royal rituals . MYTHOLOGY TRACES HER ORIGIN TO THE HEAVENLY NYMPH , THE DANCING APASARA , WHO WAS CREATED BY LORD BRAHMA …! ” THE WRITER CLAIMED THAT APASARA MENAKA SEDUCED THE SAGE VISHVAMITRA AND URVASI WAS THE FIRST DEVDASI OR ‘ SLAVE OF THE GODS ‘ WHO DANCED TO WELL COME RAMA AND SITA , BACK IN THE AYODHYA AFTER THEIR EXILE !( PAGE 6) .THERE IS A CHAPTER ‘ MARRIED TO THE GOD , SLAVES OF MEN ‘.
I AM SORRY THAT I COULD NOT FULFILL MY PROMISE TO VISIT VARINDAVAN / MATHURA TO DO FIELD STUDY ON WIDOWS TO WHOME THE PANDAS EXPLOIT SEXUALLY . IN FUTURE , I WILL VISIT . THANKS AGAIN .
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
hh said
February 10, 2009 @ 1:54 pm
Chumber,
You shall know my name and details in court.
h said
IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
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Then why are you not giving your personal proof of identity here ? Give the details here. You are the one that alleged stuff about hindu scriptures. Now you prove it.
hh said
IF YOU WILL SHOW YOUR IDENTITY IN THE COURT , I WILL ALSO DO THE SAME !
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First i need your identity to file a case. So you provide that. Then later you can talk about court.
You claim to have spoken only the truth abt hindu scriptures, then why are so afraid to provide your personal details ?
You cannot stop anyone from being a hindu or needing a brahmin, you can malign as many scriptures or argue as much as you want in any court, you will just be called a madman.
For all your lunacy chumber, the funniest part was that you even lied that you filed a case in some “people’s parliament” lol… 😀
C . L . CHUMBER said
I visited the Gujarat state from 9th March to 18th March , 2009 and there are some details :
You will be shocked that I lost my note book regarding the tour of DEO where there is Jalandhar Beach and the religious monument of Adi Bhagwan Jalandhar which I discovered which are not shown even in the official website of the DEO administration ! .But it is satisfactory that I wrote notes on our Guru Ravidas Kund in district Juna Garh tour on separate note book and we have a video graphy of our entire tour of GUJARAT .We are in need of the video film of the marriage of Mr. Rajinder Manvar brother of Mr. Kanishk Manvar @ Suresh Manvar which we attended in district Rajkot Gujarat to complete the Gujarat tour . This CD is my idea to bring the Punjabi and Gujarati people nearer to each others .We went where the illiterate people do not understand even the national language Hindi .I started learning Gujarati and a young man Mr. Nilesh Manvar of Rajkot city gifted me English to Gujarati and Gujarati to English dictionaries .Some Gujarati words are familiar in Punjabi .
The Gujarati people are very co-operative nature and regards the guests very well .We took tea in plates .They do not offer tea in cups and no biscuits or any other item with tea. They do not serve tea second time .If any one serve biscuits with tea , they mind and feel treated as a child !
The area where we visited is called Saurashtra of Six districts which has a different culture from remaining Gujarat state . In this area all castes marry the children of sisters and brothers ! We convinced them to beware of this custom and highlighted about our marriage customs and gotra system . They liked our marriage system !
The youths urged us to join their marriages but we promised that we attend only one marriage in a district of Gujarat as we have not so much spare time and budget .We promised that we will invite them in marriages in Punjab to understand the Punjabi Adi Dharamis and visit the Punjab historical places .I think my this idea will revolutionize our society and will bring them nearer to each others !
mvrck said
U GUYS HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN COMMUNAL HATREDNESS ??????
C . L . CHUMBER said
Mr./Mrs./Miss Mvrck ! what is constructive and destructive in our discussion ?
What is communal and haterdness in our discussion ?
You are not the judge ! Even the judge do not give his judgment so quickely like you. Please guide us properly !
mvrck said
March 29, 2009 @ 5:23 am
U GUYS HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN COMMUNAL HATREDNESS ??????
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. MANMOHAN SINGH IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND MR. L.K. ADVANI IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INDIAN CAPITALISTS AS WELL AS BRAHMINISM !!!!!
Mr.Manmohan Singh outgoing PM of India and BJP`s prime ministerial candidate are blaming each others .They both are true in their blames .Both are weak and merely representatives of the Brahminism and the capitalists !!!!!
The Congress and BJP are in alliance in the Sikkim state and contesting Sikkim Assembly election .This Lok Sabha election will expose both of them !!!!! If the third front and the Paswan-Lalu-Mulayam alliance join to form the union government , the BJP and Congress secret alliance will be surfaced !!!!!
Rajashekar said
Dear All at this blog,
I have taken almost a day to fully educate myself with what has been posted in this blog. After having spent so much of time to educate my self with the published articles in the glob, I felt deeply sad for myself for a criminal waste of time I caused to myself.
Anyway, having educated myself, I must agrre with Dr.M.R.Satish Rao’s observation on this so called ( Intelectual ) Mr.C . L . CHUMBER who do not spare any person not agreeing to his point of view.He thinks he is great thinker but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).
What I suggest (if at all this article is not censored and published) to all this blog readers is just to ignore this brainless Bison and avoid any contact to keep yourself cool as I see some people exhibit their angre unnecessarily spoiling their good health.
This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. The so called self proclaimed criticiser of Hinduism/Bramhanism, Mr.C . L . CHUMBER, if he is really a Dalit, has accepted and acknowledged that he is inferior in intelligence in comparison with Bramhins ,while spitting the venom on every individual who did not agree with him.I say this his so called fore fathers have not thought for a moment in million years that they have been exploited by Bramhin community and Bramhmanical god/godess etc.,
As sheperd lead the sheeps, Daliths had beeen led by learned Bramhins to lead a meeningful and a discplined way life. And all of a sudden when British system of education came into existence and some of these dalits got educated by none other than bramhins , they started thinking that they have hade been treated like nothing less than an animal.
Even today a person with lesser intelectua is treated in a more or less the same way since he is confirmed to be a stupid person.Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .
I hope this guy Mr. C . L . CHUMBER will take this in good spirit and start thinkin more in a civilised way to really realise what he is worth to day in this planet earth.
I conclde because I do not want to think more about this.
May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis.
November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am
kumarpushp said
Dalits donot give any shits to hindu gods and godeses,your rama had killed shmbukha who wanted to read your Veda .keep your hindu gods and godeses with you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I DO NOT NEED THE BLESSINGS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
Rajashekar said
April 20, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
Dear All at this blog,
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May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis.
November 12, 2008 @ 8:21 am
C . L . CHUMBER said
Indus script does encode a language
A. Srivathsan & T.S. Subramanian
New study reported in Science shows it was no mere ‘chain of symbols’
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cOURTSEY :http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm
RAM KISHAN SHARMA said
We the rational Brahmins appreciate Mr. Chumber who is determined to get rid of the rapist , racist and fascist Gods . We Brahmins must follow him to be a civilized society .
C . L . CHUMBER said
April 21, 2009 @ 12:34 pm
I DO NOT NEED THE BLESSINGS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS EVIL GODS !!!!!
Rajashekar said
April 20, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
Dear All at this blog,
C . L . CHUMBER said
Indus script does encode a language
A. Srivathsan & T.S. Subramanian
New study reported in Science shows it was no mere ‘chain of symbols’
Chennai: Computation science, information theory, and machine learning have now come to the vindication of Indus Valley scholars – providing a new type of “quantitative evidence for the existence of linguistic structure in the Indus script, complementing other arguments that have been made explicitly or implicitly in favour of the linguistic hypothesis.” http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm
Drawing from multiple disciplines, using rigorous equations, and through scientific number crunching, a team of scientists — including the well-known Indus script scholar, Iravatham Mahadevan — have demonstrated that the Indus script encodes a language and is not a mere “chain of symbols,” as an article published in 2004 claimed.
The seals and tablets of the Indus civilisation that flourished between 2500 and 1900 B.C carry examples of what has long been understood to be writing in an unknown language. Despite many attempts, the script, known for 130 years, has not been deciphered. The 2004 article, published in the Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, challenged the idea that the Indus script encoded language and suggested that it might have been a non-linguistic symbol system like the Vinèa inscriptions of southeastern Europe and the Near Eastern emblem systems.
The new statistical study compared the pattern of symbols found on Indus Valley artifacts to five types of natural linguistic systems (the Sumerian logo-syllabic system, the Old Tamil alpha-syllabic system, the Rig Vedic Sanskrit alpha-syllabic system, English words, and English characters), four types of non-linguistic systems (including human DNA sequences and bacterial protein sequences), and the artificially created computer programming language, Fortran.
The decisive finding was that “the conditional entropy of Indus inscriptions closely matches those of linguistic systems and remains far from non-linguistic systems…The similarity in conditional entropy to Old Tamil, a Dravidian language, is especially interesting in light of the fact that many of the prominent decipherment efforts to date…have converged upon a proto-Dravidian hypothesis for the Indus script.”
The study is the collaborative work of Rajesh P.N. Rao, a University of Washington computer scientist; Nisha Yadav and Mayank N. Vahia of the Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai; Hrishikesh Joglekar, a software engineer from Mumbai; Ronojoy Adhikari, Faculty Fellow at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai; and Mr. Mahadevan at the Indus Research Centre, Chennai.
Dr. Adhikari, who specialises in Novel Applications of Statistical Mechanics, has no doubt that that the Indus script was part of a structured language. Opening his Nokia mobile phone, he types the alphabets H and A one after the other. The messaging service automatically fills the next two slots with V and E. “This,” he says, “is a simple algorithm the mobile phone uses to help you complete a word quickly. It works on the principle of correlation. In English, when you use the alphabet Q, the next one that follows is often U. Every language has a probability or flexibility of what token would come after another. A token could be an alphabet or punctuation or any component of the linguistic system. We have used the idea of entropy to measure the non-randomness in a linguistic system including the Indus script.”
When Dr. Adhikari and his collaborators compared the conditional entropy of the Indus script with the conditional entropies of the various linguistic and non-linguistic systems, the results provided “quantitative evidence for the existence of linguistic structure in the Indus script.” “The Indus script,” he explains, “comes close to the entropy value of Old Tamil and lends credence to the debate that the Indus script is connected with the Dravidian language.”
The use of statistical methods is not new to research on the Indus script. The point of departure in the new study is the use of rigorous correlation techniques, a significant methodological advance.
Work on the Indus script continues. The temporal and spatial analysis of the script has been completed and awaits publication. There is scope to compare the Indus script with systems like the Chinese pictograms and the Egyptian hieroglyphics. Dr. Adhikari believes that all these efforts “are taking us closer to understanding the Indus script.”
COURTESY : http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/27/stories/2009042756902000.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
Entropic Evidence for Linguistic Structure in the Indus Script
Rajesh P. N. Rao 1*, Nisha Yadav 2, Mayank N. Vahia 2, Hrishikesh Joglekar 3, R. Adhikari 4, Iravatham Mahadevan 5
1 Department of Computer Science & Engineering, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195, USA.
2 Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai 400005, India.; Centre for Excellence in Basic Sciences, Mumbai 400098, India.
3 14, Dhus Wadi, Laxminiketan, Thakurdwar, Mumbai 400002, India.
4 The Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai 600113, India.
5 Indus Research Centre, Roja Muthiah Research Library, Chennai 600113, India.
* To whom correspondence should be addressed.
Rajesh P. N. Rao , E-mail: rao@cs.washington.edu
The script of the ancient Indus civilization remains undeciphered. The hypothesis that the script encodes language has recently been questioned. Here, we present evidence for the linguistic hypothesis by showing that the script’s conditional entropy is closer to those of natural languages than various types of nonlinguistic systems.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH / REWATCH THE FOLLOWING POINTS AND SEND VIEWS TO MAKE THESE POINTS MORE PERFECT !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
May 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
LET US DISCARD RAPIST,RACIST AND FACIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr./Mrs./Miss Sunil has wrote,” dont waste urs time.forget everything about past sstudy,workhard to bring our nation on top. a nation cant progress until its all people are prospered.” Good.
We are also of the same opinion subject to the following conditions:-
( 1 ) Brahmin community must appolosige in publice from the aboriginal Indians for their misdeeds in past..
( 2) Brahmins must appolosige for the misdeeds of their rapist,racist and facist so called Gods.
(3) Brahmin community must appolosige from women community for their as well as their Gods`missdeeds.
(4) Brahmins must discard the rapis,racist and facist Gods.
(5) Brahmins must burn the Vedas and smirities which recognise Varna system and caste system.
(6)The property aquired by manuwadi system must be nationalised or equally distributed among the sufferers of the system..
(7) There must be ban on Brahmin,Kshattry and Vaish terminology .
( 8) The govt./semi-govt. posts must be reserved for non-creamy layer Indian citizens having present reservation. . (9) The pvt. sector posts must be reserved for inter-caste married persons,
( 10 ) The panch to the rashtarpati post also be reserved for the inter-caste married persons or atleast one of their spouse must be inter-caste married.
( !1 ) The Indian govt. must ban awards on Arjuna,Daronacharya and Chankya..
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.The Sikhs and Buddhists have admitted.
The other conditions may also be discussed if the Brahmins declare to surrender to the democratic norms and the Indian constitutional spirit
publically as the brahmins of Japan did.Thanks.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILIZATION which were already informed as below in the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!!
C,L.CHUMBER said
May 30, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
SOME WEBSITES ON INDUS-VALLEY CIVILIZATION !!!!!
Respected viewers,
With the kind permission of the dalit-nation ,I suggest some websites :-
(1) http://www.mahenjodaro.net ( 2 ) http://www.imagesofasia.com ( 213 images of the valley ) ( 3 ) http://www.harappa.com ( 4 ) http://asi.nic.in ( 5 ) http://www.ignca.gov.in . You may also get help from Google/Yahoo..Thanks.
rajashekar said
Dear Bloggers,
I am reposting my view again posted on April 20th,09 in response to the demand for apology. The question is the word Bramhin is a collective noun. Now this man Mr.C,L.CHUMBER is screwing around with that noun and today which individual or an organisation is representiely the whole Bramhin community.This guy is defenetly a biggest fool to think such happenings that he demands ever happen. First of all none of hindu community will apologise and if not what the ….k can this fool do. This guy is defenetly senseless and sure to be identified as lunatic.
Any way plese read my view on this as under
Dear All at this blog,
I have taken almost a day to fully educate myself with what has been posted in this blog. After having spent so much of time to educate my self with the published articles in the glob, I felt deeply sad for myself for a criminal waste of time I caused to myself.
Anyway, having educated myself, I must agrre with Dr.M.R.Satish Rao’s observation on this so called ( Intelectual ) Mr.C . L . CHUMBER who do not spare any person not agreeing to his point of view.He thinks he is great thinker but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).
What I suggest (if at all this article is not censored and published) to all this blog readers is just to ignore this brainless Bison and avoid any contact to keep yourself cool as I see some people exhibit their angre unnecessarily spoiling their good health.
This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. The so called self proclaimed criticiser of Hinduism/Bramhanism, Mr.C . L . CHUMBER, if he is really a Dalit, has accepted and acknowledged that he is inferior in intelligence in comparison with Bramhins ,while spitting the venom on every individual who did not agree with him.I say this his so called fore fathers have not thought for a moment in million years that they have been exploited by Bramhin community and Bramhmanical god/godess etc.,
As sheperd lead the sheeps, Daliths had beeen led by learned Bramhins to lead a meeningful and a discplined way life. And all of a sudden when British system of education came into existence and some of these dalits got educated by none other than bramhins , they started thinking that they have hade been treated like nothing less than an animal.
Even today a person with lesser intelectua is treated in a more or less the same way since he is confirmed to be a stupid person.Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .
I hope this guy Mr. C . L . CHUMBER will take this in good spirit and start thinkin more in a civilised way to really realise what he is worth to day in this planet earth.
I conclde because I do not want to think more about this.
May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis
May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him and give him all the necessary oppurtunity to realise by him what is right and what is wrong and keep him away from his insecured indentity crisis
C . L . CHUMBER said
HUM HONGEY KAAMYAAB FULLY EK DIN !!!!!
I REPLIED MR. RAJSHEKAR IN NUT SHELL vide C . L . CHUMBER said
April 21, 2009 @ 12:34 pm . HE IS IN DEFENCE OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST VAIDIK ARYAN HINDU GODS AND THEIR EVIL FOLLOWERS !!!!! HE IS THE MEMBER OF M/S HAPPY HINDU VAIDIK ABUSIVE CLUB WHO ABUSED ME AS BELOW ONLY IN THIS WRITING UNDER DISCUSSION :
* This guy is defenetly a biggest fool …
* First of all none of hindu community will apologise and if not what the ….k can this fool do.
*This guy is defenetly senseless and sure to be identified as lunatic.
* but lacs commonsense (intelligence is a light year away from this psycho).
* just to ignore this brainless Bison
*This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit. ( Please read his own sweet language !!!!!!-CHUMBER )
*..,This blog does not give any quality info but furnish derogated filthy language not necessariry to the human benefit..
*Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .( Thus he claimed that Brahmins are not stupids and the Brahmins are born to handle the stupid aboriginal Indians .- CHUMBER ) .
* May those god/godess derogated by him in this blog forgive and bless him ( He supported the rapist , racist and fascist Gods ! – CHUMBER ) .
IS HE E-DIALOGUE OR ABUSING TO DERAIL THE ISSUE ( S ) ? ? ? ? ?
HE MUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE TO HAVE AN HEALTHY E-DIALOGUE , OTHERWISE HE IS WASTING TIME AND ENERGY OF ALL OF US !!!!!
SOME MY FRIENDS , WELL WISHERS AND ADVISERS ASKED ME TO IGNORE THE VAIDIK ARYAN ABUSIVE HINDUS BUT I CONVINCED THEM THAT THESE VAIDIK ABUSIVE ARYAN HINDUS CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO ARGUE EXCEPT ABUSES !!!!!
THIS WILL SHOW IN FUTURE THAT HOW MUCH THESE PEOPLE ARE SHORT TEMPERED , MANUWADI AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL WHO CAN NOT BEAR THE PROGRESS AND SELF RESPECT OF THE NON-BRAHMINS !!!!!
I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH TOOTH AND NAIL TO EXPOSE THE EVIL SYSTEM CREATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS IN PAST AND THEIR STAUNCH FOLLOWERS IN MODERN PERIOD !!!!!
HUM HONGEY KAAMYAAB FULLY EK DIN !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INDIAN PRESS IS ANTI-ABORIGINAL INDIANS DUE TO ITS MANUWADI BENT OF MIND AND STOOGES , DEPENDENTS ON ADVERTISEMENTS OF THE CAPITALISTS AND SELF -RESPECT SELLING TO THE CAPITALISTS OF INDIA WHO ARE FURTHER STOOGES OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
I wrote above is true .The Punjabi and Hindi press at Jalandhar , Punjab is nearly almost corrupt .They openly saled the full pages and printed the news supplied by the candidates of Congress ( I ) and BJP candidates in their own favours in the Punjab Assembly election .This was shameful that sponsored pages were published in a same date .The candidates were from the Jalandhar South ( Reserve ) .One of the candidates admitted that it was true !
Now the Punjab`s press in 15th Lok Sabha election almost played the role of prostitute !The honest press reporters told me that both the proprietors and their dishonest partner press reporters earned in crores ! Almost every Punjabi and Hindi daily published daily 8 coloums news composed in special type which can be recognized as sponsored news but there was not written advertisement at the bottom .This is a case of fraud as the amount received by these news is in black money . There is a fact that the same news in same type were published more than one news papers on the same day .The vigilance department of Punjab , the Election Commission and Income Tax department must investigate it .
C . L . CHUMBER said
IN modern Punjab the archeology survey of India department excavated at some places and found the Indus valley civilization . I have wrote that how to reach that places . Please watch :
http://www.ambedkartimes.com/c_l_chumber.htm#by
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
First of all , I pasted states wise links on this site in a writing but the computer discarded it .The necessity is the mother of invention. I always tried my best to grab the information at what ever cost and then decentralize to it ! Then I started pasting one by one state and I succeeded to serve you better through our esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
I visited the Sanchi monument in 1989 AD and the Elephanta Caves with my entire family in 2008 AD .I clicked the links of videos of these sites which I pasted on our esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .and enjoyed with my brother and sister`s children ..
Please enjoy these links and paste the more links to know our India`s cultural heritage !!!!! .
rajahsekar said
Stupid people shold be some time be dealt with same way an animal is dealt otherwise they do not act in a civilised way they are supposed to act .( Thus he claimed that Brahmins are not stupids and the Brahmins are born to handle the stupid aboriginal Indians .- CHUMBER ) .
Hi Mr. Chumber,
Read the above sentence as an answer or as an argument given by you with in the brackets relating to the way stupid people shall be dealt with. I am sure you are out of your mind to bring Indians into the topic. Do not try to divert the isuue to some thing and utilise your perverted acquired intelligence to blow small matters out of its proportion to get popularity by trying to instigate others not involved in the matter. If you have any commonsence which appears to be not in existance, please read those lines repeatedly till it goes into your thick head to make you understand that in a proper context. What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way , NOT THE INDIANS. WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THE WHOLE INDIA HERE. A single stupid person like you CAN NOT represent as as whole all ciitizens of India. For your info. I am also THE INDIAN and never tried to instigate other community people to induge in nasty things like you indulge. I will , whenever time permits unlike you where you have 24 hrs a day to indulge , try to educate the people in a civilised way with out any derogative filthy nonsense langauage that you adopt and use.
Do not try to make your personal problem look like one national problem and expect that every Indian will stand by you and support you. Sort out your problem with in the four walls with your family members with out again showing your stupidity. Do not make use of your acquired artificial pervert intelligence to point out that they ( Superior caste to nferior caste ) have done this,that etc.,instead use that if you think you have since I do not think that you have any , to uplift the poor , forbidden community if any left unattended. Think yourself what you have done to your family and how use ful and helpful you are to your own family. Then think of helping this world and educate them with non-filthy, decent and civilised way of attitude.Do not indulge in spreading hatredness among the community to score your vengense. I really pity you for the state of mind you posses.
Can I expect you to convince yourself that you are stupid and nothing more or less than that and put all your might together to civilise on your own.
God bless you with all the required intelligence and knowledge to make you a civilised human being.
And by the by, yes as you well said bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you. In fact any ordinary person with certain amount of common sense should be able to handle and set you right on the track.And not necessarily a Bramhin.
And as mentioned by you if SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS , BUT NOT ALL YOUR FRIENDS ( FORTUNATELY YOU HAVE SOME WISE PEOPLE AROUND YOU FOR GOD SAKE) , WELL WISHERS AND ADVISERS ASK YOU TO IGNORE THIS YOU CAN DO SO AFTER ALL IT IS WELL KNOWN TO EVERY ONE THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN NOT HANDLE WISE AND KNOWLEDGABLE PEOPLE.
HE MUST ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE TO HAVE AN HEALTHY E-DIALOGUE , OTHERWISE HE IS WASTING TIME AND ENERGY OF ALL OF US !!!!!
I did not find any question posed by you. You only repeated / reproduced my post not being able to attend to any Hmmm. Pity you honestly. you are in dark. Come out and see the light of wisdom.
And your last but not the least sentence goes like this as under:
I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH TOOTH AND NAIL TO EXPOSE THE EVIL SYSTEM CREATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS IN PAST AND THEIR STAUNCH FOLLOWERS IN MODERN PERIOD !!!!!
Who are they? Show me I will also join you to fight out and for sure I swear will lend you with my TOOTH and Nail.
GOD / GODDESS BLESS YOU.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com AND YOU WILL FIND THE SAME !!!!!
rajahsekar said
May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
Who are they? Show me I will also join you to fight out and for sure I swear will lend you with my TOOTH and Nail.
kumarpushp said
Hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatments.We had seen state sponsored genocide of muslims in Gujrat.Dear rajashekhar ,Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.
Sukra Charya said
Hello kumarpushp,
“state sponsored barbaric treatments” ?? Where? Maybe a few examples will help.
1.) When the PM Indira Gandhi was killed, thousands of Sikhs were killed by Congress Party – yes, the same pseudo-secular thugs who talk of “communalism”.
2.) When Americans landed on the moon in 1969, Muslims in my town went on a rampage. Thousands were killed. This was no Hindu-Muslim riots – just Muslims who were angry with Americans. Police came a week later.
3.) Naxalites were on a rampage again. Small shopkeepers (selling paan, cigarettes, bidis) were killed, because they were CAPITALISTS! Police kept quiet, because all Naxalites were children from rich families!
4.) In Tamilnadu state, Brahmin women would be called by derogatory terms like ‘papati’. Brahmin men would be beaten up in public; their hair forcibly shaved off; the sacred thread would be desecrated. All done in public, in broad daylight, by thugs, with the policemen watching. None of those Brahmins committed a crime – they were beaten up because they were born in a particular family.
kumarpushp, that should you an idea of “barbaric treatments”. Any answers?
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WAS SERIOUSLY ILL HAVING TYPHOID DURING THE APRIL MONTH , 2009 AND I CAN NOT READ NEWS PAPERS FOR SOME DAYS . NOW I AM WATCHING BACK NEWS PAPERS TO KNOW THE ELECTION STRATEGY OF VARIOUS PARTIES ESPECIALLY OF THE CONGRESS AND BJP .TO-DAY , I READ THE ‘ HINDUSTAN TIMES EXCLUSIVE ‘ INTERVIEW OF MR. L.K.ADVANI IN THE HINDUSTAN TIMES DATED 22ND APRIL , 2009 .THE PAPER GAVE THE HEAD LINES ” THE PARTY HAD EARLIER VOWED TO KILL THE AGREEMENT , SAYING IT COMPROMISED INDIA`S STRATEGIC INTERESTS . ” IT GAVE ANOTHER MAIN HEADLINES OF THIS INTERVIEW ” IF VOTED TO POWER , BJP WILL HONOUR NUKE DEAL WITH US .” MR. ADVANI SAID AGAIN ,” I CANNOT SAU TODAY WE WILL JUST CANCEL THE ( INDO-US NUCLEAR ) DEAL .”
THE BJP CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE ITSELF FROM THE CONGRESS AS THEY WERE PLAYING THE PASSING GAME . THEY PROJECTED NARENDER MODI AS THE NEXT PM AFTER ADVANI TO TERRORIZE THE VOTERS .{ PLEASE READ C . L . CHUMBER said .April 27, 2009 @ 8:36 pm .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/ ) .MR. NARENDER MODI ADRESSED MORE AND MORE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT INDIA SO THAT THE VOTERS FELT INSECURITY AND CASTE VOTE FOR CONGRESS TO SAFE THEMSELVES.THIS HARMED THE THIRD AND FOURTH FRONTS !!!!! MR. ADVANI ALREADY SAID PUBLICALLY THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONGRESS OR BJP GOVERNMENT AT CENTRE .
WE ALREADY DECLARED AS :
MR. MANMOHAN SINGH IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND MR. L.K. ADVANI IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INDIAN CAPITALISTS AS WELL AS BRAHMINISM !!!!! ( C . L . CHUMBER said
April 14, 2009 @ 2:02 pm .https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ )
rajahsekar said
Hey Mr. Chumber,
I am waiting for your response to my posting on 21.05.09. Do you know why I say ” response” , bcause there is nothing that you can reply. You only have to simply accept whatever opinion / comment given by me in my posting since you are either wise or knowledgable person to come with any concrete arguement to diprove it. And more over you are a social refugee . So with what effective arguement you can come up.
However, have you noticed there is no one replying to your postings or submitting any of their worthwile reply to your posts for the past 2 months except for those posted by me. Hey have you taken some time off from your anti hindu/bramhin activities and gave a thought about it. NO, You have not. Bcause you are drowned deep in your own stupid propaganda about hinduism/branhinism. Just take some time and think about others who use to spontaneously reply on your posts are just ignoring it and you very well know why it is.Obviously because it is all nonsense and perhaps they concuded that you are not only a stupid person but you also have a closed mind. Open up your mind for fresh thoughts. I think that is the main reason you have opened up in this blog. Otherwise, this blog becomes a place only for your writings and only you have to keep reviewing your own postings trying to improve upon that. But I say you should be happy that atleast one person like me still exist in this blog trying to strighten you up and your thought to the positive benefit of stupid you and your innocent community.
I promise if this comment and my previous comments are not attended to by you by taking a refugee under any philosophy that you try to shelter yourself I conclude that all my thoughts and opinion,comments made by me are correct and not disputable by you on malafied arguments and stop coming to this blog seeking any thoughtful information.
God bless / help you
Sukra Charya said
Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes.
Yes, Periyar did say that. Periyar also said that Tamil is a barbaric language. And all those who speak Tamil are barbarians.
Don’t know about you – but I am not willing to give up my language because Periyar thinks so.
Sukra Charya said
It seems silly that we fight about Dalits and non-Dalits. There are good people and bad people in every community. In any case, its wrong to discriminate against anyone, simply because they are Dalits or Brahmins. Its also unconstitutional and punishable by law.
God has given all of us the same abilities – two eyes, two arms etc. All of us get 24 hours a day – no more, no less. No one can claim to be superior to anyone else. For that matter, nobody should claim to be inferior, either.
I have seen rich Dalits and poor Dalits. I have seen rich Brahmins and poor Brahmins. The sad part is the rich behave in the same way – whether they they are Dalits or Brahmins. The rich will always tend to abuse power.
Even if all ministers in all states were to be Dalits, our national problems will not disappear. There will be still be millions of poor and hungry people. They are poor, because, as a nation, we do not generate enough wealth. Maybe we should focus on changing that.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THEN YOU START RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER TO FOLLOW YOUR RAPIST BRAHMA !
AND BANISH YOUR WIFE LIKE RAM BANISHED HIS WIFE TO FOLLOW YOUR GOD RAMA .
IF YOU CAN NOT BANISH YOUR WINE THEN DISCARD HER AND FIND ANOTHER BELOVED LIKE YOUR LUSTFUL GOD KRISHANA WHO DISCARDED HIS WIFE TO ENJOY HIS BELOVED RADHA !!!!!
I AM NOT ABUSING ANY ONE OR ANY RELIGION . WILL YOU MAKE FRIEND A RAPIST OR RACEIST OR FASCIST ?
hh said
May 27, 2009 @ 5:14 am
Lol…so you do not want to mind abuses. But you will go on abusing hinduism in your lunacy.
Ofcourse now it is fully clear that nobody will vote or even arrest a full blown lunatic case like you….gooddbye.
hh said
Brahma did not commit any rape. It is you who is obseessed with rape. Go and see any police records….almost all rapists are dalits.
Yes i worship Ram, you do not need to teach me your missionary version of ramayan.
And yep i worship Krishna. He did not discard his wife. You follow your missionary version of all hindu stories and i will follow mine.
No need for a abusive lunatic to teach hindusim.
Sukra Charya said
CASTE? What caste?
The word does not exist in any Indian language. Can anyone on this forum show me ONE Indian language which has the word ‘caste’? There is NONE.
The word ‘caste’ is derived from ‘Castos’ – a Portugese word. It was coined at the time of Vasco da Gama.
At THAT time in Europe, there were 2 classes of people – the rulers (kings, barons, dukes etc) and the ruled. Westerners like Vasco da Gama could never understand the social setup in India, which was primarily based on professions. In fact, most Europeans still don’t understand it even today.
Since the word ‘caste’ itself is artificial – its meanings are also artificial. It means different things to different people. Its a bit like wearing glasses – if you see the world thru pink glasses, it will appear pink. If you view the world thru gray glasses, everything appears gray.
The correct way, ofcourse, is to see the world without colored glasses. Only then we can the beauty of color in all the things around us.
And so it is with caste. Lets view the society around us, without tinted glasses.
Sukra Charya said
MY ANSWER IS : AS LONG AS , IN INDIA BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIRS RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS INCARNATIONS ARE WORSHIPED , DEFENDED AND PROJECTED , WE WILL OPPOSE IT .
CHUMBER, Maybe you need to see the world as it exists. You cannot judge some past, distant era using today’s standards. If you do that, other religions will look even worse than what they do today. Examples.
1) As per Bible (Old Testament), Cain killed Abel. And apparently, all of us are Cain’s children. That said, we are descended from a murderer.
2) As per Bible (New Testament), Jesus tells his followers “Eat my flesh..so you can live forever”. Question: do you want to be a cannibal?
As per Koran, the Prophet said “All the Caliphs after me will be of the Quraishi tribe”. So, to be a leader, it was not enough to be a Muslim, it was not enough to be even an Arab Muslim, that person HAD TO BE OF THE QURAISHI tribe! (In a sense, new converted Muslims can NEVER become leader of the Muslim world).
Hinduism may have its faults – I prefer to correct it, as we go along. I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.
Sukra Charya said
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
Why? What do you mean “anti-constitutional spirit”? Can you define that?
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
Why? No one from those religions has ever complained. We are one. If you want to be different – choose your own path. What IS your path anyway?
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
Why? We became independant in 1947. Why was this not raised then? What was Dr.Ambedkar doing? Does he not represent Dalits? Why was he keeping quiet?
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.
No way. The leaders of those religions must announce that have the caste problem. In India, all over the sub-continent and also in the UN. Also the Pope must apologize to all for having caste.
Sukra Charya said
The Pope should apologize for the following:
1. The Inquisition in Goa
2. The torture and murder of Indian soldiers by British Christian soldiers in 1857
3. The cold blooded killing of civilians (many women and children) at Jallianwala Bagh
C . L . CHUMBER said
THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
rajahsekar said
May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
*What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
* A single stupid person like you
*you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
*bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.
rajahsekar said
Hey Mr.kumarpushp,
I have read ur comments on my remarks. It seems you have a very little knowledge about the history of this country-INDIA.According to your post in this blog it looks like that.
You said, Hindus are born barbaric and require barbaric treatments.We had seen state sponsored genocide of muslims in Gujrat.Dear rajashekhar,Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.
I recall all the barbaric acts that took place at the time of partition of india and creation Pakistan. you have to better go through the books written on partition of india and digest the violence that tookj place in pakistan on hindus fleeing from newly crated pakistan. You will really understand who is barbaric. Do not look at it with prejudised mind. And this is the recent happening.
What about those barbaric acts upon people who lived in India by Mohamaden Invadors. Those people included your ancestors/fore father, who were barbarcly handled by those sense less invadors.
And at last what about those barbaric acts on indian men and women by none other than Britishers. You forgot??? ANd you say Hindus ar barbaric and require barbaric treatment. How stupid you should be to just put your leg in your mouth Mr.Kumar Pushp.
Please note : Hindus are known for their patience,resistance,humbleness , forgiveness and humanity. Just do not through your furious and illogical thoughts just to support another stupid person like you.
Now you have to sit, study ,think and come back with your enlightment and prove who is barabric and who deserves barbric treatment.
Lastly, Hindus are attacked several times in this country just to be eliminated by many but still they exsist and they,Hindus has never ever blamed another community for their state of exisitance. I suggest you better learn to live in hormony among the community with out poking your running nose into others business with out knowing the back ground.
Think you will take these in positive sense and chalkout your time table to educate yourself.
May that almighty make you realise the truth ,
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
I congratulate Mr. C.L.Chumber for his rational views which has impact on new comer Mr. Shukra Charya .He is ready to correct it but I think the Hinduism is infected by AIDS like diseases .It must be buried .
Secondly , If Mr. Shukra Charya ” I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.” then how we compelled the Dalits to live in this below dignity environment ? Mr. Chumber made the Manuwadi Hindus realize the evils in Hinduism .Let us encourage Mr. Chumber who is enlightenig us to beware of the evils .
Sukra Charya said
May 27, 2009 @ 6:05 pm
Hinduism may have its faults – I prefer to correct it, as we go along. I don’t want to be treated as a son of a murderer, or a cannibal or even a second-class citizen. Of this, I am sure.
Sukra Charya said
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA,
“It must be buried .”. Buried? Oh, yes, we have been buried many times. Like Jesus, we come back on the third day. Heck, if Jesus can do it, so can I!
The ‘Manuwadis’ exist in your mind. That’s why you will never find them – and that’s why you will never be able to kill them.
Sukra Charya said
Sharma-ji.
” then how we compelled the Dalits to live in this below dignity environment ?”
“We compelled..”. No way. The nation was under the invaders for over a thousand years. ALL OF US were compelled to live in “below dignity environment” – Brahmins, Dalits, everyone. If you wish to blame someone for sufferings during that period – blame the invaders.
All communities, including Dalits have recognized that they are entitled to equal rights as citizens – ONLY IN FREE INDIA.
The question is what do once we get those rights? Possible answers:
a) Spew filth and anger at other communities
b) Make sure “OUR” community gets PRIVILEGES, while other communities lost some RIGHTS (i.e. RIGHTS that are guaranteed under the Constitution)
c) Gather wealth for ourselves and our families (other members in our community continue to be poor)
d) Blame OUR PRESENT DAY FAILURES on some past injustice
e) Use voting rights to elect leaders who are educated, responsible and accountable
It seems that we do all the bad things. The ONE thing we CAN do right, at no cost, is (e). Electing a good leader.
When we elect persons like MK Karunanidhi or Lalloo, we have failed. Even if all the “higher-castes” were to vanish tomorrow, we will be a true 100% DALIT NATION. But our status will not change.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Rajshekar ! please read your north pole and south pole views in a writing .
rajahsekar said
May 28, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
Hey Mr.kumarpushp,
Please donot try to teach chumber.Hindus are men eater tigers in sheep skin.
Please note : Hindus are known for their patience,resistance,humbleness , forgiveness and humanity. Just do not through your furious and illogical thoughts just to support another stupid person like you.
Sukra Charya said
But for you, North Pole and South Pole are one and the same. You will blame Hinduism for everything – including your own personal failures. At some point, all Indians (including Dalits) must realize that they need to take responsibility for their successes or failures.
rajahsekar said
Mr.RAM KARISHAN SHARMA,
Please be specific about what you want to say. Do not just through some meaning less quotes with ou any aim in it and detract. Just explain what is North pole and south pole views in my writings.And do not try to confuse and get yourself confused on the subject in the blog.I will defenetly give proper reply.
God bless you
rajahsekar said
Ho Mr.Chumber,
Thank you so much for your reply to my post on 21.05.09. The reply made by you on 28.05.09 is reproduced here under:
THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
rajahsekar said
May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
*What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
* A single stupid person like you
*you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
*bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.
I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectual ( I THINK / HOPE YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INTTELIGENT AND INTELECTUAL) or trying to get attention and sympathy from some people to come out with their innovative ideas and knowledge in support of you.
Please enligten me with your meaningful explanation of reproduction of my selected sentence or is there some one sitting next to you with you guiding you to reproduce my text as in the case previously mentioned by you that SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS SUGGESTED YOU TO IGNORE ME. Come on. Mr.Chumber do not run away now. Give me your proper reply in relation to my comments posted with out fail. Or withdraw your illogical and not sensiable accusation of Hindus/Bramhins and apologise for trying to hurt their communal feelings.
And once again I SAY THAT bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you. It is proved beyond any doubt without any and further production of material evidence in case you have read Indian History and properly understood it in a way that is positive.
And at last , go through this blog from begining to end and find how many are in agreement with your thoughts and how many oppose and how many pacify you. Understand that those people tried to make you understand things properly using their valuable time with out caring for the cost of that Mr.Chumber. STOP SPREADING HATREADNESS AND DO NOT PROMOTE HOSTILE PHYLOSOPHY>
I expect ypou to properly,sensiably reply to this and once again thank you for your response.
God bless you
Sukra Charya said
CL CHUMBER,
Actually, its your Gods that have these characteristics. One of them is a cannibal; another one is racist. And look at your Churches – they are facist. You have Greek Orthodox Church (for Greeks only); Syrian Orthodox (for Syrians); Russian Orthodox Church (for Russians). Adolf Hitler was supported by Roman Catholic Church while he was committing murder of Jews. So, you have that additional certificate as well. CAN YOU DEFEND ANY OF THESE? THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.
Perhaps your last chance.
Sukra Charya said
CL CHUMBER,
You said “AND BANISH YOUR WIFE LIKE RAM BANISHED HIS WIFE TO FOLLOW YOUR GOD RAMA”.
Yes, Ramayana does tell us that. But, what does it mean?
It means that you want to be a leader of the country, one who will be remembered for ever, then:
– Your first responsibility, and your ONLY responsibility, is to the PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY.
– You cannot allow your wife and family to distract you from the tasks of the nation.
This is not easy – and most leaders fail on this account.
Lord Rama, once he became king, realized this. He realized that He would have to make personal sacrifices. Personal sacrifices that would cause him immense, immense pain. But He wanted to set an example – and He did it. He sent His wife away, because He wished to concentrate on the nation and its people. He made the nation great. HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER.
Sita Devi too, will be WILL BE REMEMBERED FOREVER. She understood that as well. That’s why she stood by His side and accompanied Him to the forest in the first place. She did have the choice of going back to her family and wait. (That is, wait in the comfort of the palace). She took the more difficult choice because Her love for Him was genuine.
These are personal qualities of discipline and sacrifice. Show me ONE leader today, who can match these qualities.
Sita Devi never complained – She wanted to set an example FOR ALL WOMEN, FOR ALL TIME – and she does. The only people who complain are people are ignorant.
In your case, show us you have these qualities and more. THEN and only then, you are qualified to criticize Lord Rama.
Lord Rama will be remembered forever! Sita Devi will be remembered forever! And both of them WILL BE WORSHIPPED FOREVER.
Sarv said
No offense..out of curiosity..
If the Dravidians are the original inhabitants of Indus valley, and then were driven down South….why didn’t they go south and build similar or more advanced cities? at least later in time?
I could find references of Indus like sites only till Tapti- Godavari rivers..but not further South, which is supposedly the Dravidian region..
Sukra Charya said
Sarv,
“….and then were driven down South..”.
This is given as a consequence of the Aryan Invasion theory – invented by the British. Two reasons why I call it as a PURE invention.
1. Prior to 1700s, there is NO mention of ANY ARYAN INVASION, anywhere. Not even in ancient Tamil texts.
2. There is NO historical evidence to support this claim. (Historical records are usually reliable. There is a historical record of a volcano that destroyed the city of Herculeaneum in 79 AD. THAT WAS 2000 YEARS AGO! And there are accurate records of THAT event. Historians have gone to the extent of discovering there were brothels, homosexuals, etc. even then).
On the other hand, we need to ask ourselves, “Did the British stand to benefit by creating this theory?”. The answer is YES. The British liked to play one group against another, for commercial and political benefit. That’s why they took Indians (slaves or indentured servants) to other nations. Places like Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, South Africa, Uganda etc. In these places, the natives were set against the Indians.
As of date, Sarv, the historical monuments of the South will easily surpass those of the north. That’s not because the South is superior. North India took the brunt of Mohemmedan invasions – and most temples were converted to mosques or were destroyed altogether.
hh said
Shukra Charya,
I concur with you.
All indians are aryans.
Even in places like wiki there are people mentioninig stuff as though “indo-aryan” is a race. It is just a linguistic group, that’s all. Not a race at all.
The british were experts in pitting one against the other. Now tehre are people from the dravidian linguistic group who are desperate to be ‘genetically dravidian’ and there are people who claim to be ‘genetically aryan’. Utter nonsense. Practically almost all indians have inherited the same predisposition to stuff like heartattacks and certain diseases. An indian is THE aryan, irrespective of his lingusitc classification.
We Indians ourselves have to come around to accepting ourselves as being “indian race” first.
C . L . CHUMBER said
YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
May 29, 2009 @ 11:02 am
Sukra Charya said
Mr. Chumber,
“YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!”
—
Thank you. When people say they are the “Leaders of Dalits” and simply resort to abuses (like the one above), they are a disgrace to the Dalit community.
Dalits must remember that the WISEST person in Mahabharata is VIDURA. Today he would be called a Dalit. But even today, his wisdom is recognised. He shows no hate anywhere. He is calm, composed and serene. People wait for his pronouncements – as though they were jewels. The next Vidura may also be a Dalit – but he cannot be one that has hatred for other people.
In your case, refine your language. Stop using abusive language. When people say the same thing again and again, they sound like a broken record. Most people throw away things that do not work.
Sukra Charya said
I just wrote about Lord Rama’s greatness. And now I read “Karunanidhi’s son Stalin appointed Tamil Nadu deputy CM”.
Mr. MK Karunanidhi is not a Brahmin. I do not know if he is Dalit. But he is a crook. This guy has made the state as his family property. But he is called a ‘Leader’ – and a direct contrast to Lord Rama.
After seeing such headlines, millions more pray to Lord Rama, every day. That’s where salvation lies.
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .
rajahsekar said
May 29, 2009 @ 9:15 am
Ho Mr.Chumber,
I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectua
C . L . CHUMBER said
May 28, 2009 @ 6:14 am
THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
rajahsekar said
May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
*What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
* A single stupid person like you
*you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
*bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.
happyhindu said
Look Chumber, I do not know the people posting here.
Who am i to issue any character certificate? And that too based on ‘caste’? What nonsense.
There is a bit of a ‘brahmin’, bit of ‘dalit’, bit of every ‘caste’ in each one of us.
It is better to look at our own character before commenting on others.
And what is this ‘abusive club’ you have made by clubbing all posters here.
This is all sheer nonsense. You cannot change one thing with your shouting.
People are designed for peace. And they will eventually get there.
Goodbye.
C.L. CHUMBER said
M/S M.K. GANDHI AND NATHU RAM GODSE BOTH WERE THE FOLLOWERS OF THE AYODYA`S AUTOCRAT KING RAMA WHO KILLED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDAR SAINT SHAMBUK AND EVEN BANISHED HIS PREGNANT WIFE SITA .
AUTOCRAT KING RAMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THESE TWO HEINOUS CRIMES . SITA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR HER LOYALTY TOWARDS HER UNFAITHFUL HUSBAND .
ONLY SITA MAY BE WORSHIPED NOT CRUEL RAMA !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
May 29, 2009 @ 11:02 am
Lord Rama will be remembered forever! Sita Devi will be remembered forever! And both of them WILL BE WORSHIPPED FOREVER.
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“.. BANISHED HIS PREGNANT WIFE SITA .”.
You still don’t understand about the responsibilities of Leadership, do you?
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“.. KING RAMA WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THESE TWO HEINOUS CRIMES.”.
True. For people who worship Lalloo and his likes, honesty is indeed a crime.
hh said
ONLY SITA MAY BE WORSHIPED NOT CRUEL RAMA !!!!!
——–
Sita loved and worshipped Rama. Who are you to tell others who they must or not worship?
You keep your lunatic pronouncements to yourself.
C.L. CHUMBER said
NEITHER RAMA NOR KARUNANIDHI IS GREAT . RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MORAL VALUE IN RAMA TO BE GREAT EXCEPT BEING THE YES MAN OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMINS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
May 30, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
I just wrote about Lord Rama’s greatness. And now I read “Karunanidhi’s son Stalin appointed Tamil Nadu deputy CM”.
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“..HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN…”.
Yes, he did not do that. What you are suggesting is usually called ‘AN ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES’. Yes, its true that Lord Rama did not abdicate his responsibilties. That one of the reasons that he is worshipped.
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“THERE IS NOT A SINGLE MORAL VALUE IN RAMA TO BE GREAT EXCEPT BEING THE YES MAN OF THE MANUWADI BRAHMINS !”
That is YOUR opinion. You are welcome to it. None of us will oppose your CONSTUTIONAL RIGHT to believe what is demonstratably false. That’s because we are Hindus – and proud to be so.
But remember this: If you were to make a similar pronouncement about Prophet Mohammed or Jesus, most probably you will be put to death. Do you wish to accept this challenge?
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“..HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN…”.
Yes, he did not walk off the job. What you are suggesting is usually called ‘AN ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES’. Yes, its true that Lord Rama did not abdicate his responsibilties. That one of the reasons that he is worshipped.
hh said
RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !
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Rama was a king. He did not need to “save any chair”. He gave away the kingdom to Bharat and went to forest.
Your missionary version of Ramayan will sell amongst self-appointed dalits in india. You cannot change Ramayan or ask people not to follow Ramayan in Thailand, Indonesia, et,
C.L. CHUMBER said
FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
May 27, 2009 @ 10:44 pm
(12) The govt. must ban on Hinduism which is anti-constitutional spirit.
Why? What do you mean “anti-constitutional spirit”? Can you define that?
MY ANSWER IS : THE GOVT. MUST BAN THE HINDUISM BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OF ITS GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .THE CONSTITUTION `S PREAMBLE IS EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE BUT THE HINDUISM IS AGAINST THESE !
( 13) The govt. must recognise Buddhism,Sikhism and Jainism as separete religions.
Why? No one from those religions has ever complained. We are one. If you want to be different – choose your own path. What IS your path anyway?
MY ANSWER IS : YOU ARE A CHILD IN THESE MATTERS . MR. PARKASH SINGH BADAL , CM , PUNJAB ONCE BURNT THE ARTICLE 25 OF THE CONSTITUTION TO STRESS ON HIS DEMAND THAT THE SIKHS ARE A DIFFERENT ELEMENT !
THE BUDDHISTS ALSO DEMANDED TO RECORDED SEPARATE FROM THE HINDUISM .OUR PATH IS THE DEMOCRATIC AND CONSTITUTIONAL PATH !
( 14 ) The govt. must recognise the Adi-dharam ,aboriginal Indians`religion as in the census of 1931 AD when 5 lacs people claimed to be the Adi-dharamis.
Why? We became independant in 1947. Why was this not raised then? What was Dr.Ambedkar doing? Does he not represent Dalits? Why was he keeping quiet?
MY ANSWER IS : THE MASTERS AND SLAVES CAN NOT BE ONE ! DR. AMBEDKAR SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY GIVE DALITS THE SEPARATE ELECTORATE AND SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS BUT THE MAJORITY MANUWADIS IN THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY NEGATED HIM ON THIS ISSUE .
( 15 ) The religion bar for reservation must be scrapped as every religion have caste.
No way. The leaders of those religions must announce that have the caste problem. In India, all over the sub-continent and also in the UN. Also the Pope must apologize to all for having caste.
MY ANSWER IS : FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM .THE SIKHS AND THE BUDDHISTS ACCEPTED THE CASTE AND GOT RESERVATION FOR SCs ALREADY !!!!! MY DEMAND IS THAT THERE MUST BE NO BAR FOR SCs AS STs HAVE NO BAR !
Sukra Charya said
C.L. CHUMBER,
“FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS ..”. I take offense at you addressing the rest of the people over here as ‘Manuwadis’.
“..AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM ..”. You are talking as though you were present when Brahma made his pronouncements – which is most certainly not true. I have already explained about “caste”. What part of the explanation don’t you understand?
—
“YOU ARE A CHILD IN THESE MATTERS..”. Really. And how did you find my age?
—
“DR. AMBEDKAR SUBMITTED A MEMORANDUM…”
Why? He is given credit as the author of our Constitution. Why did he not add this memorandum at the time of writing the Constitution?
—
“FIRST OF ALL , YOU MANUWADIS APOLOGIZE AS BRAHMA INVENTED THE VARNA / CASTE SYSTEM.”
This is your problem. You want people to apologize to something that exists in your mind – and in your mind only. Get over it. NO ONE WILL EVER APOLOGIZE TO YOUR HALLUCINATION – for the simple reason that its not real.
I got a counter suggestion: I want YOU to apologize that you were responsible for the extinction of the two-horned unicorn.
—
rajahsekar said
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
May 31, 2009 @ 9:35 am
MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .
Hi Mr. R K Sharma,
What is that filthy writings and abusive language and who is using it. Me????. I think you have to be educated well to recognise filthy writings and foul & abusive language. Any way thank you for your advice. But tell me what is the filth you found in my writings and what is that language that I used considered to be abusive. Please narrate clearly and if I get a convincing answer from you I will surely , unlike you, correct my language and untill such time you need to just stop commenting on my writings with out any thoughtful ,enlighting contribution from you. I think I have not used any filth or abusive .
Hope you are sure enough to realise what I wrote above addressing you.
God bless you
rajahsekar said
And Mr.Cumber,
You have not come back on my writing dated 29 th May 09. Should I wait or I just stop expecting any reply from you.
Sukra Charya said
CL CHUMBER
“YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!”
—
Let us educate you, because you certainly need it.
A RAPIST is one who has sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
– I challenge you to give examples here.
A RACIST is one who deems that one race (usually his/her own) is superior to other races.
– Nothing wrong here. Jews claim that they are ‘the chosen people’. The Mohemmedans say the same thing – you cannot visit Mecca or Medina without their permission.
A FASCIST is one who likes authoritarian rule in his nation.
– No big deal here. Chinese are fascist. So are Russians. So are your friends in West Bengal.
An as regards “YOU ARE TRUE FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST..”. Yes. ALL OF US ARE WRONG. You and YOU ALONE are right.
For God’s sake, WAKE UP!
Sukra Charya said
Mr.Rajahsekar,
“Vinasha-kale vi-preeta buddhi”
That is, “He whom the Gods wish to destroy, They first him mad” – or something like that.
In CL Chumber’s case, once the abuses are filtered out, there’s no logic left. Many of the sentences are not correct even grammatically.
Most of the Dalits are pious and religious. Not many will like Mr.Chumber’s abuses of Hindu Gods. Perhaps, the end is closer than what he thinks.
aadharabhairava said
Chumber,
Your idea of hatered is against adi-dharm.
I wish to applaud you for tenacity. But understand that you cannot fool everybody all the time. TIME IS ALL PERVADING.
I can see that you are like the bull fighter. In a bull fight, the fighter, creates an imaginary illusion with a MULETA(red cloth). He misguides people that BULLS are angered by the red cloth. The bull itself is made to belive that the red cloth is bad.
Now comes the most interesting part. He then uses the red cloth to control the bull and kill it and achieve name and fame for himself. You are also misguiding people and want to ultimately get name and fame by killing them. You are unnecessary making us hate brahmins. What are going to get if we fight with brahmins. If you keep doing like this even the few brahmins who are tolerant and want to change will start seeing us like enemies.
All the people whom you support know your political motivation. You may not be able to fool them for long. Also let me know who gave you the rignt to call others as dalits, we are indians. Do you know that it is a offence to refer people based on their birth caste.
Our communities are looking for LOVE and not HATE. You are a sikh, talk only about Sikhs. You have no business to talk about dalits like us. We dont need sympathy or support from people who talk bad about others. We want friends not enemies. Our country has suffered enough because of people like you creating enimity and hatered. We dont want any body to beg for us. We are not inferior to anybody. we are normal human beings. Please dont demean us by begging for recognition from brahmins.
Dont use your illogical sentiments and your make believe stories to fool us. You are not fooling us, you are only fooling yourself.
Learn to unite people and not fragment them.
rajahsekar said
Where is Mr.Chumber,the intelect and his ardent follower and supporter Mr.Rama krishna Sharma.Are you obsconding. Or have you lost your intelectual debate on Hinduism./Bramhinsim.And listen in case you repond to this post, respond to my earlier posts unattended by you , especially in cae of Mr.Rama Krishe Sharma to prove his point on my writings posted addressing him on 30th May,09 and 31st May 09 with a suggestion not to wag if not capable to give some meangful thought.
C. L . CHUMBER said
THEN YOU MUST DISCARD THE BRAHMA WHO INVENTED THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM OF GRADATION AND DEGRADATION AND RESPECT THOSE FIFGHT AGAINST THE RAPIST , CASTEIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS TO UNITE THE PEOPLE !!!!!
aadharabhairava said
June 3, 2009 @ 11:10 am
Chumber,
Learn to unite people and not fragment them.
Shukra Charya said
Why anyone should discard any belief, just to make you happy?
As I said before, YOU must accept the responsibility of driving the 2-horned Unicorn to extinction. I want to see an apology on THIS FORUM.
C. L . CHUMBER said
THE ANSWER WHICH I REPLIED TO MR. SUKRA CHARYA IS THE SAME WHICH I REPLIED TO MR. HAPPY HINDU WHICHEARLIER IS RECORDED EVEN AT THE http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=THE+DISTRICT+JALANDHAR+GAZETEER+PUBLISHED+BY+THE+PUNJAB+GOVERNMENT+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= WHICH IS AS BELOW !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 1, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU HAS DISCARDED HIS RAPIST GODS !!!!!
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Happy Hindu @ happyhindushem @ lavnya @ shem said ( September 30, 2008 @ 2:39 am ),”My Gods did not rape. Why should I discard them .”
My ANSWER IS ;- Mr. Happy Hindu was a staunch follower of Vishanu who raped Adi-mata Varinda w/o Adi-mahabhagwan Jalandhar as recoeded in the Padam Purana , the district Jalandhar`s gazeteer published by the Punjab government and the Hindi movie the ” Tulasi Vivah .”
Now Mr.Happy Hindu was fed up of rapist Vishanu .He discarded him by writing that he had no rapist God ! i already said that vaidik people have to discard either the evil Gods or their scriptures . He pefered scriptures to the evil Gods . He already took stand against rapism , racism and fascism . He also took stand that every body had burnt the Manu-simrity !
I congrtulate Mr. Happy Hindu for this development in the history of India . I wish him success in the war against the rapism , racism and fascism !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
CL Chumber,
The ONLY texts regarded as Hindu Scriptures are The Ramayana and The Mahabharata. The latter includes Bhagavad Gita.
All other texts, like Puranas, Manusmritis are NOT sacred texts. You may follow them if you please. But their infalliability is not guaranteed. So quoting Puranas is of little value, if at all. Period.
You need to come up with better evidence.
hh said
rubbish.
when did i discard vishnu?
don’t talk nonsense in your lunacy.
you are a jobless politician; at best a lunatic on the prowl.
you cannot even understand a few simple sentences, you only know to keep shouting like a mad man.
C. L . CHUMBER said
MR. SHUKRA CHARYA JI !
PLEASE WATCH MY ANOTHER REPLY WHICH HAD BEEN RECORDED AT https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/a-letter-to-narendra-modi/ AND EVEN AT THE http://www.google.co.in/search?q=THE+DISTRICT+JALANDHAR+GAZETEER+PUBLISHED+BY+THE+PUNJAB+GOVERNMENT&hl=en&start=10&sa=N
PLEASE READ THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/ THOROULY TO DO DIALOGUE TO SAVE THE TIME OF THE VIEWERS !!!!!
C .L . CHUMBER said
September 19, 2008 @ 6:32 am
MR.HAPPY HINDU AND MANY MORE FICTITIOUS NAMED WORSHIPER , DEFENDER AND GLORIFIERER OF RAPIST VISHANU ( RAPED WITH MATA VARINDA W/O,BHAGWAN JALANDHAR ,READ HINDUS` PADAM PURAN , PUNJAB GOVT.`S DISTT. JALANDHAR GAZETEER AND WATCH MOVIE TULSI-VIVAH ! ) , RACIST -BRAHMA , VISHANU ,RAMA ,PARSHURAM ( BRAHMA INVENTED FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM , VISHANU AND ITS INCARNATIONED EVIL GODS MANTAINED THE FILTHY CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM BY FORCE , AYODYA`S KING RAM MURDERED INNOCENT AND PIOUS SHUDRA SAINT SHAMBUK UNDER BRAHMANS`INSTRUCTIONS ,READ UTTAR KAND CHAPTER OF VALMIKI RAMAYNA ,PARSHURAM AND HIS BARBARIAN BRAHMANS KILLED KSHATTRIYAS 21 GENERATIONS AND RAPED THEIRS WIVES ,DAUGHTERS AND MOTHERS DURING THIS PERIOD ) AND FASCIST BRAHMA , VISHANU AND HIS INCARNATED EVIL GODS ) .
MR.HAPPY HINDU AND MANY MORE FICTITIOUS NAMED
DECLARED THAT
” Everybody is against rapism, racism and fascism EXCEPT CHUMBER.”
IS HE DOING E-DIALOGUE OR CREATING ENIMITY AMONG THE VIEWERS ? ACTUALLY I AM FIGHTING AGAINST RAPISM , RACISM AND FASCISM SO THAT THE PEOPLE MAY BE LIBERATED MENTALLY FROM THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS AND MR.HAPPY HINDUS ARE ABUSING ME NON STOP
MAY TRUE GOD AND THE LAW INFORCING AGENCIES OF INDIA AND INTER- POL BLESS/INFORCE THEM TO DISCARD THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST EVIL GODS !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
C.L.CHUMBER, You have to make an argument without using “RAPE” or “FASCIST” or “RACIST”.
The constant use of “RAPIST” makes us think that you have a unhealthy, sexual fixation on some parts of the human body. It can only lead to trouble. Have you seen a psychiatrist recently?
hh said
Shukaracharya,
This chap Chumber is already certified mad.
According to a lawyer, no case can stand against him because court will declare him mad.
In a country like India, such a man can only be a politician.
C. L . CHUMBER said
THERE IS A TEMPLE IN MEMORY OF ADI-MATA VARINDA W/O ADI – BHAGWAN JALANDHAR IN WHOSE MEMORY THE JALANDHAR CITY AND JALANDHAR CANTONMENT ARE LOCATED IN PUNJAB .I SEARCHED ‘ JALANDHAR BEACH ‘ AND ‘ JALANDHAR TEMPLE ‘ IN THE DEO ( U.T ) NEAR THE GUJARAT STATE IN MARCH ,2009 .
Temple of Gupha at some distance from the Temple of Vrinda is the temple of Gupha dedicated to Annapurna (goddess of food grains). Also located nearby are Brahm Kund and some temples dedicated to Shiva.
COURTESY: http://www.indias.com/StateDetails-47/State+Details.html?stateid=31
C. L . CHUMBER said
ACCORDING TO THE PADAM PURAN THE JALANDHAR CITY IS IN THE MEMORY OF ADI-BHAGWAN JALANDHAR !!!!!
A legend in the Padma Purdna ascribes the foundation of Jalandhar
city to the great Daitya King Jalandhara, who became invincible
by the practice of unusual austerities.
COURTESY :http://www.archive.org/stream/imperialgazettee07hunt/imperialgazettee07hunt_djvu.txt
Shukra Charya said
Good news! What makes you think, that he is ANYTHING like you? Do you think he will call the Gods as FASCIST or RACIST?
More likely, he will put you to death, for uttering such things in his presence.
C. L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE PURCHASE THE PADAM PURAN TO KNOW HOW VISHANU RAPED AN INNOCENT AND PIOUS ADI-MATA VARINDA AND KILLED HER HUSBAND !!!!!
Padma Purana, Part 9 (Padma-Purana)
by N. A. Deshpande
Published by M/s Motilal Banarsidass Publisher , New Delhi .
Link : http://openlibrary.org/b/OL13130601M/Padma-Purana%2C-Part-9-%28Padma-Purana%29
THE PADAM PURANA ( ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS IN 10 VOLS. )
http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDF395/
Shukra Charya said
CL Chumber,
Firstly, you cannot use Puranas as Reference. You may use it for other reasons.
Secondly, the total collection must be several thousand pages. IN ALL THOSE PAGES, is this the ONE event that is of interest to you?
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
MR. RAJAHSEKAR !
PLEASE READ YOUR ABUSIVE AND FILTHY LANGUAGE AS YOU REQUIRED IN YOUR WRITTING DATED 1ST JUNE , 2009 .
rajahsekar said
May 21, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
*What I have told is that stupid people like you should be dealt with that way ,
* A single stupid person like you
*you are stupid and nothing more or less than that
*bramhins were and are known for their wisdom and knowledge and extreamely very good to handle stupid person like you.
rajahsekar said
June 1, 2009 @ 10:24 am
Hi Mr. R K Sharma,
What is that filthy writings and abusive language and who is using it. Me????. I think you have to be educated well to recognise filthy writings and foul & abusive language. Any way thank you for your advice. But tell me what is the filth you found in my writings and what is that language that I used considered to be abusive. Please narrate clearly and if I get a convincing answer from you I will surely , unlike you, correct my language and untill such time you need to just stop commenting on my writings with out any thoughtful ,enlighting contribution from you. I think I have not used any filth or abusive .
Hope you are sure enough to realise what I wrote above addressing you.
God bless you
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
May 31, 2009 @ 9:35 am
MR. RAJ SHEKAR !
PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE IN FILTHY WRITINGS . YOU ARE TEASING MR. CHUMBER AND YOU ARE THE CARBON COPY OF MR. HAPPY HINDU . IF ANYONE ABUSES ANYONE , NO ONE CAN NOT EXPECT REGARDS .YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ABUSIVE LANGUAGE .
rajahsekar said
May 29, 2009 @ 9:15 am
Ho Mr.Chumber,
I still am unable to understand what you propose to answer by reproducing selected sentence of my post. May you have , all of a sudden become very intellectua
C . L . CHUMBER said
May 28, 2009 @ 6:14 am
THESE ARE THE ABUSIVE VAIDIK UTTERANCES OF THE NEW COMER IN THE M/S HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE CLUB !!!!!
HE ISSUES GOOD CHARACTER CERTIFICATE TO THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BAD CHARACTERS BY WORSHIPING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
SHARMA-ji,
So, he is accusing you of being ‘stupid’. Instead of abusing his beliefs, prove him wrong. You can do by debating as a civilized person. Did you do that?
C . L . CHUMBER said
I am on tour to attend the convocation of my eldest daughtr`s M.B.A. degree of Wales University , U.K. campus at Pune on 6th June , 2009 at the Le Meredian Hotel , Pune ( Maharshtra ) .Then I will be on my research tour of Maharashtra , Andhra Pardesh and Karnatka . That is why I could not react / re-react to the writings.
On 7th June , 2009 , I visited Guru Gayaneshwar`s Smadhi Sthal at Alindi situated on the river Inderyani river in district Pune of Maharashtra state .You may in details in this blog anywhere .My family members and my friends of Maharashtra are co-operating and co-ordinating during this research tour and they themselves feel enlighten by visint these religious and historical places .
Adi-purakh mya bless them with money power , mind power and muscle power ( healthy mind in a healthy body ) to live with self-respectful !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
This is indeed a surprise! You have actually made a posting without the usual “RACIST”, “RAPIST” or “FASCIST”.
I noticed that you have mentioned your family members here. Maybe, you should stick to your habit. It might be appropriate after all.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
You may read about my Alindi tour as well as very very comparitive and informative analysis firstever .This for your convinience .
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
YES , RAMA WAS A KING NOT INCARNATION OF GOD .HE MAY BE INCARNATION OF VISHANU BUT VISHANU WAS NOT AN INCARNATION OF GOD BECAUSE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT , FORMLESS AND NOT PREJUDICE TO ANYONE AS HINDU GODS WERE .
MR. HAPPY HINDU IS ABSENT MIND . HE DID NOT REPLIED TO MR. CHUMBER`S REPLY PROPERLY .hE ARISED THE QUESTION OF SITA`S BANISHMENT BUT HE WROTE ABOUT RAMA`S BANISHMENT .
hh said
June 5, 2009 @ 2:59 am
RAMA BANISHED HIS WIFE TO SAVE HIS CHAIR . HE DID NOT DARE TO HAND OVER THE KINGDOM OF AYODYA TO HIS FAITHFUL BROTHER LAKSHMAN AND LIVE WITH SITA !
———-
Rama was a king. He did not need to “save any chair”. He gave away the kingdom to Bharat and went to forest.
Your missionary version of Ramayan will sell amongst self-appointed dalits in india. You cannot change Ramayan or ask people not to follow Ramayan in Thailand, Indonesia, et,
hh said
Chumber alias Ram Krishna Sharma,
You seem to be very “present mind” – that is why “both” of you use the same type of language 🙂
If you think Rama was not incarnation of Vishnu, so be it. I am not forcing you to consider him as god.
I think Rama is God. It is my wish. You cannot force me to think otherwise.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
You say “VISHANU WAS NOT AN INCARNATION OF GOD BECAUSE GOD IS OMNIPRESENT , FORMLESS..”
Question: How do you know?
rajahsekar said
Mr.RKSharma,
This is in reference to your reply on 7th June 09. As sugeested by you I have read my posting dtd 1st june 09 and did not find any filth and abusive in it. Why do not you explicitly mention those words considered abusive and filth hha!!
I am sure you have nothing to prove on that and you are just following Mr.Chumber like a blind man following an other. Do’nt you think so ?. Come on Mr.Sharma wake up, shake up yourself and give some concrete thought about what Mr.Chumber is preaching with out any prejudiced opinion.
OR IS that Mr.Chumber is taking your help just to counter me since he is unable to reply my queries? HA. Or just to keep me busy to find and write some stories of his own as if he is the whole and the soul authority to comment on what ever he conclude is right as it appear in his writings on Ramayan. And ofcourse he will not br able to counter my queries I realised. And actually stopped writing but for your 7th june reply.
There are few hundred or thousands of people against hinduism propagating against the hindu philosophy and same like people spreading the awareness about Hinduism. Simple example, our Iskcon Temples flourishing in creating awareness. You people CAN NOT DO anything with such a huge and international community to stop their work. YOU PEOPLE ONLY HAVE TO HOWL.
Hope will hear from you.
God bless you
hh said
rajahsekar,
this chumber is mad.
trying to reason out with him makes no sense – his wiring is faulty. nothing will register the right way.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
You want to believe in a God that is formless. We don’t know if its right or wrong, but you are free to believe in it – EVEN IF ITS WRONG. That is your Constitutional right. No one on this forum will question you.
But your constitutional rights stop there. You cannot tell others that they are wrong, when they believe in a God who has a form. Like you, they too have Constitutional rights.
Believe in a God, WHO HAS A FORM is not incorrect. It makes more sense and can be proved scientifically and logically.
Once God has a form as a human being, he is bound by the same natural laws that affects the rest of us. He HAS to eat, for instance. He has height and weight. The physical form will also die – because those are the laws of
physics. By taking a physical shape, that is an incarnation, Lord Rama shows us how a man must behave, how a husband must behave, how a king must behave, how a leader should behave. He has set an example for all of us –
from the poorest to the richest.
Among all the faiths, the Hindu faith alone is non-prejudicial. IT DOES NOT GRANT ANY FAVORS TO ANY GROUP. There are no ‘Quraishi’s or ‘chosen people’. Brahmins do NOT get a place of privilege. If anything, the laws are
stricter for them. King Ravana was a Brahmin – but he got punished too. For Dalits, Hinduism is the best religion.
For those who believe in a formless God: the situation is very strange. They believe that communication to God is possible only through an ordained priest (i.e. a mullah or a bishop). This priest, is a human being, like the
rest of us – but he apparently has special powers. He has a special hotline to God! Why? This priest has access to exactly the same religious books that you do. How is it, YOU DO NOT HAVE A HOTLINE AND THE PRIEST DOES?otline and he does?
kabalamaali said
What are your arguing about.
all will become ash. it is only a question of wheter your time has come.
at your levels of thinking, you can neither understand nor analyse any thing.
Death is life itself. Death breaks body into water, air fire earth and space.
Your time is very short may be century at the maximum. But time has seen 1000’s of centuries.
Anyone who wants to experience god fully has to come out of this limiting object called body, which is indulging in chit chatting and worthless gossiping.
Some people wants to show off that he is the most intelligent person on earth and talking as though he knows everything. The fact is that he knows nothing. What he knows is infinetisimally small compared to what there is to know.
Dont worry whether Rama is god or Adhi bhagawan is god. understand yourself
Shukra Charya said
Kabalimaali,
No offence intended. Just out of curiosity – what do you think happens to “water, fire, earth and space”.
Not a trick question. Just plain curiousity.
C .L . CHUMBER said
HURRAH ! MR. HAPPY HINDU AND MR. SHUKRA CHARYA ARE THE NAMES OF A SAME PERSON WHO HAVE A CHICHEN HEART HAVING NOT SHOWN HIS / HER REAL IDENTITY !!!!!
THE SAME QUESTION AND SAME WORDING ONCE WRITTEN BY MR. HAPPY HINDU WHICH CAN BE REPRODUCED FROM THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com IF BOTH OR ANYONE CAN ARISE QUESTION .
i DO NOT USE WORD RAPIST ALONE AS THE EVIL GODS HAD NOT ONLY DISQUALIFICATION OF BEING RAPIST , THEY ALSO HAD THE QUALITIES OF BEING RACEISTS AND FASCISTS !!!!!
THE FOLLOWERS OF THESE EVIL GODS ARE MENTALLY ILL SINCE CENTURIES FROM THIS IRECURABLE DEASEASE !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
June 8, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
C.L.CHUMBER, You have to make an argument without using “RAPE” or “FASCIST” or “RACIST”.
The constant use of “RAPIST” makes us think that you have a unhealthy, sexual fixation on some parts of the human body. It can only lead to trouble. Have you seen a psychiatrist recently?
hh said
Chumber,
First, Shukracharya and I are not the same person. He is arguing in favor of a few things that I did not bother about so far. But I am reading up on his writing and yes ofcourse loving it.
Second, your job is to counter the questions presented to you. You be bothered about that. It is clear that apart from abusing, you know nothing. You are very lucky to be considered mad. Or your fate would have been certainly jail or mental asylum. Thank your “true god” for being considered mad.
Third, hindu gods have not committed any of those crimes that you claim they did. But you will insist on it. Without proof from the original scriptures. Yours is just a political agenda that also serves missionaries on the sidelines. That is what you do for a living. And you cannot deny it.
C .L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE LAST LINE AS BELOW :-
HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?
Shukra Charya said
“MR. HAPPY HINDU AND MR. SHUKRA CHARYA ARE THE NAMES OF A SAME PERSON …”
This IS the problem.
1. You have never seen or met Mr.Happy Hindu or myself.
2. You have never seen my other writings.
3. You don’t know about our backgrounds or professions
4. You don’t know about my friends or relatives
How did you conclude that we are one and the same person? You have JUMPED TO A CONCLUSION – and a wrong one at that.
You said you have a daughter, who has a MBA. Go and show it to her. See if she agrees with your reasoning. Come back to this forum and tell us.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber
“HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?..”
Answer my question and I will answer yours. Tell us why these Gods are evil. You need to come up with evidence, going right back to the Sanskrit sloka itself.
rajashekar said
Hi,HH,
Thank you for your concern for defying the senseless howling and criminalisation of Hinduism . Do not lose ur heart and withdraw till some one teach this stupid and treacherous people called Mr Chumber and his ardent follower MR. Rama Krishna Sharma.
This man Mr.Chumber and his follower RK Sharma are fugitives. They do not focus on the questions posed to them but reproduce what we write and run away from the topic. Cowards.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
We’re even more racist than Aussies
cOURTESY : http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/we-re-even-more-racist
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
Just to make sure you don’t get carried away by what the TOI has written.
Here is something to wake you up.
” … CHINA, JAPAN, the Arab nations and Israel, and the European Union are likely to be the MOST RACIST — in a descending order.”
“AMERICA and INDIA would be the LEAST RACIST.”
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1261718
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
We are arguing about the caste / varna system which is the main and only cause of down fall of India since centuries .
We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion .
Let us find the solution of these problems amicably .
kabalamaali said
June 9, 2009 @ 10:37 am
What are your arguing about.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
You say “We are arguing about the caste / varna system which is the main and only cause of down fall of India since centuries..”
The perpetual problem for India, over the centuries, has nothing to do with
caste. It has all to do with people who suffer from over-inflated egos OR people who suffer from imagined injustice (almost an hallucination).
In the north, we have Raja Jai Chand, who helped invaders against Prithvi Raj
Chauhan. In the south, we have a small Raja who ensured the capture of the patriot Katta-bomman by the British. There are hundreds of other examples.
In India, we are poor because we don’t generate enough wealth. Whatever little is generated, is claimed by different groups. In effect, its like trying to fill a bucket, which has a large hole at the bottom. So, we can never fill the bucket.
Worst of all, the groups that claim the most wealth (that is, the wealth generated by someone else) HAVE NO INTEREST TO GENERATE ANY WEALTH BY THEMSELVES.
Most of the Dalits I know, are people who value self-respect. THEY WANT NO
HANDOUTS. These people would rather starve than beg. Such people form the backbone of our nation, because they believe in generating wealth themselves.
What about the people who claim to represent Dalits on this forum? These are the modern day JaiChands – guys who want to tear Hindu society. Today, we can rightly call them TERRORISTS.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji
You said “We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion ..”
I find this strange. This argument about about ‘HINDU’ Gods, I mean. Hinduism allows us the complete spectrum – from NO God to millions of Gods (of either gender AND neither gender).
You can be a good Hindu even if you are an athiest. Or worship a million Gods, if you choose to.
To be a good Hindu, I do not have to pray 5 times a day. Nor do I have to listen to a sermon from some (dim-witted?) priest every Sunday. That also means that in an election, I vote for the candidate of MY choice – not the PRIEST’S.
I do not have to go to a temple. I am permitted to have a personal altar and worship from home. And that too at times, that are convenient TO ME.
When my conscience bothers me, I can search for direction from our Scriptures and do atonement. I DO NOT HAVE TO SEEK A PRIEST’S FORGIVENESS. A mullah or a bishop is a human being, just like you or me. It seems silly that he has the authority to forgive someone!!
In spite of all the freedoms, you still feel constrained – convert to another faith. Once you belong to another faith, STOP complaining about Sri Brahma or Sri Vishnu or Sri Siva. Also STOP complaining about castes – because, other religions promised you the absence of caste. Be aware though, people (by and large) who have converted – REGRET it. But its your choice.
So, why do want to abuse Hindu Gods and other people on this forum?
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
You said “.. Let us find the solution of these problems amicably..”.
Yes, we can have an amicable discussion.
To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.
Then we can start the debate.
DO WE HAVE A DEAL ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THIS BLOG . THESE QUESTIONS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES .THE VEDAS , PURANAS ,RAMAYNA , MAHABHARTA , MANU SIMIRTY ARE TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH , HINDI AND VARNACULAR LANGUAGES . YOU CAN READ AND KNOW ABOUT THE EVIL GODS .
Shukra Charya said
June 10, 2009 @ 11:26 am
Chumber
“HAVE YOU ANY ARGUEMENTS IN favour OF THESE EVIL GODS ? ? ? ? ?..”
Answer my question and I will answer yours. Tell us why these Gods are evil. You need to come up with evidence, going right back to the Sanskrit sloka itself.
hh said
You even lied that manusmrithi says a brahmin can rape. You have only kept lying so far. Do not allege. Provide the actual verses from the sanskrit scriptures. Prove why you think gods are evil.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PEOPLE TALK OF HONESTY BUT THEY LIKE THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS , RELATIVES AND FRIENDS ! LOOK AT M/S HAPPY HINDUS WHO NEVER APPRECIATED MY HONESTY INSTED OF ABUSING BITTERLY .HAD ANY PROMINENT POLITICIAN PLEDGED HIS / HER HOUSE FOR HIGHER STUDY OF CHILDREN .I DO NOT BELIEVE IN VOTE POLITICS FOR MYSELF .
ONCE I ASKED MY DAUGHTER TO APPEAR IN THE CIVIL SERVICES EXAM BUT HE DECLINED THIS SUGESSION AS I DECLINED OF MY UNCLE WHO WAS DY. SECRETARY OF THE U.P.S.C. OF INDIA ! MY FAMILY LIKE ME AS A WRITER .
THE POLITICS IS NOW THE PUPPET OF THE CAPITALISTS , MAFIA AND BRAHMINISM ,
aadharabhairava said
June 9, 2009 @ 11:18 am
Chumber,
May be you can ask your daughter to become a politician. We may have a MBA person.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SHUKRA CHARYA !
WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS .IF WE ARE JAI CHANDS THEN YOUR RAM WAS ALSO JAI CHAND .
IF WE ARE TERRORISTS THEN YOUR RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ARE TRUELY TERRORISTS ALSO !!!!!
PRITHVY RAJ CHAUHAN ABDUCTED JAI CHAND`S DAUGHTER !
RAMA KILLED RAVNA FOR SITA ABDUCTION WITH THE HELP OF SUGRIV , HANUMAN AND JAAWANT .
COULD JAI CHAND NOT TAKE REVENGE FROM PRITHVI RAJ CHAUHAN WITH THE HELP OF ANY KING ?
SHUKRA CHARYA ! WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS .IF WE ARE JAI CHANDS THEN YOUR RAM WAS ALSO JAI CHAND .
IF WE ARE TERRORISTS THEN YOUR RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS GODS ARE TRUELY TERRORISTS ALSO !!!!!
YOU ARE THE SON / DAUGHTER OF TERRORIST PARENTS AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY IS TERRORIST FAMILY !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
June 11, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
What about the people who claim to represent Dalits on this forum? These are the modern day JaiChands – guys who want to tear Hindu society. Today, we can rightly call them TERRORISTS.
Shukra Charya said
“..WE ARE DOING DISCUSSION NOT FIRING AT EACH OTHERS..”.
WE ARE NOT? Maybe, a closer look would help.
1. You seem to be abusing a lot of people.
(Be polite, even if you disagree).
2. You are calling their Gods by VERY BAD names.
(In other countries, people who insult Gods, are usually put to death. If you don’t like Hindu Gods, don’t go to the temple. Don’t worship them at home, either. Since most of the people don’t care whether you worship or not; your sole intent seems to be to hurt the feelings of others).
3. You have failed to provide a single iota of evidence for any claim.
(You are on a forum where people are judged by what they write. You cannot make accusations against Hindus or Brahmins, without providing evidence.
That evidence, is more difficult than it seems at first sight. Most arguments against Hinduism, cannot stand the rigors of a law-court. They cannot withstand the passionate debate with a religious scholar. Worst of all, the arguments against Hinduism cannot stand even sound reasoning.).
Your point may be to rectify discriminations. Discriminations are a blot on society and everyone on this forum will support your cause against ANY discrimination.
IS THAT YOUR STAND?
Shukra Charya said
“PRITHVY RAJ CHAUHAN ABDUCTED JAI CHAND`S DAUGHTER !”
Just to make sure that we have the facts right.
Prithvi Raj Chauhan was in love with JaiChand’s daughter. Yes, he continued to love her, even after being insulted by JaiChand. And Jai Chand’s daughter returned his love. And she went willingly with him.
The act of running away with a lover, to get married is called ELOPEMENT. Its NOT a crime.
Abduction IS a crime – and is punishable by law.
The enemy that Jai Chand had to overcome was his OWN EGO – not Prithvi Raj Chauhan. As they say, Jai Chand was a legend in his own mind. And his EGO led him to conspire with an invader. That eventually destroyed his kingdom too.
Today, its not so different. When people ask for changes within the Hindu society, one asks the question: Are they Reformers (like Lord Buddha) or something else? When the people hurl insults and use abusive language, its clear that they are not interested in any Reformation of the society at large. They do not even represent the interests of the community that they claim to represent.
So, if your motive is genuine, remove all abusive language. Insults and abuses of Hindu Gods and Hindu society must go. Instead, bring in all the cases of Discrimination. You will be surprised at the extent of support that you get even from non-Dalits.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
You say “THESE QUESTIONS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED SO MANY TIMES .THE..”.
That is NOT the point. Simply “discussing” does NOT make something TRUE.
Before Christopher Columbus went AROUND the world, and proved it was a globe, the world was thought to be FLAT. (In fact, some religious texts still say its flat!). Before that proof, THAT question was also discussed many, MANY times – and always the answer WAS INCORRECT.
Christopher Columbus proved all those people wrong. How? By showing them the evidence.
You talk of “EVIL” Gods as though you had evidence. We want to see the evidence – where IS IT?
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
“..YOU CAN READ AND KNOW ABOUT THE EVIL GODS..”.
Are you telling us that you have NO EVIDENCE?
RAM KRISHAN SHARMA said
Everything has been discussed in this blog .We are not abusing any one except using references of the Hindu scriptures .
Shukra Charya said
June 11, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
Sharma-ji
You said “We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion ..”
_ _ _
So, why do want to abuse Hindu Gods and other people on this forum?
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
Manusmriti is NOT a religious text – and you may not use it so.
What you are trying to do is justify some present-day discrimination (real or imagined) by quoting some event from the past, possibly a Scripture.
1. You have to provide evidence that you (and your community alone) have been discriminated.
Since I see a lot Brahmins, who seem to be in same boat, your argument fails. According to your argument, this community is responsible for all your troubles!! There is a severe disconnect with reality.
2. When you quote the Scripture, you HAVE to do the following:
a) State the actual Sanskrit sloka (line, text and verse)
b) State the events before and after in which it takes place (to give it context)
c) The code of conduct it supposedly violates
d) What you find unacceptable
You CANNOT quote the Scripture for your convenience. You cannot say, for instance: “I am taking 6 months off from office, because Kumbhkarna (Ravana’s brother) slept for half a year.”.
DUKHI INDIA said
I read this blog with interest thorougly .It is very interesting and informative especially on Hindu Gods and the caste system .I read the views of Mr. Ram Kishan Sharma ,” Let us find the solution of these problems amicably.” I also read the views of Mr. Shukracharya ( June 11, 2009 @ 8:42 pm ) ,” Yes, we can have an amicable discussion. To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.Then we can start the debate.DO WE HAVE A DEAL ? ”
I am a new person and express my views . I agree with Mr. Sharma .Mr. Shukracharya is living in the Hindu India governed bt Manuwadi mentality . He must know that this is the constitutional India with democracy where the Hindu social system had been buried on 26th January when this constitution was implemented on that day .
Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue .
Shukra Charya said
June 11, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
Sharma-ji,
You said “.. Let us find the solution of these problems amicably..”.
Yes, we can have an amicable discussion.
To start with remove all abusive references in this forum. Abusive references to Hindu Gods, Hindu social systems etc. must go.
Then we can start the debate.
DO WE HAVE A DEAL ?
Shukra Charya said
“Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue.”.
Dr.Ambedkar, when he went to the West, wore the garb of a westerner. THAT WAS A PRECONDITION to be considered as CIVILIZED. And Ambedkar willingly accepted THAT pre-condition. Today, ALL photographs we see show him attired in a Western suit.
Today, to be considered civilized ON THIS FORUM, you do not have to change your garb. You only have REMOVE your abuses.
Chumber, will you follow Dr. Ambedkar’s example?
Shukra Charya said
“Mr. Sukracharya`s preconditions are deterimental to the dialogue.”
Mr/Ms/Mrs. Dukhi,
Even in your reply, you HAD to resort to abusive terms like “Manuwadi” – even BEFORE coming to the table.
This is a terrorist tactic. Asking your opponent to give ground, as a pre-condition to the start of a dialogue. You forget that both sides have the protections of the SAME Constitutional Rights.
Both parties have the right to be treated like human beings. Along with this right, comes a responsibility, the responsibility of treating others as equals and human beings. Each right comes with an associated responsibility.Yes, much as it may come as a surprise, THIS IS A PRECONDITION FOR ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY. This is the rule that we created, when we walked out of the cave.
(What is left unsaid is this: If you find this responsibility “UNACCEPTABLE”, society thinks that you are unfit for the corresponding RIGHTS too. And the concerned people can go back to their caves.)
Shukra Charya said
“..Hindu social system had been buried on 26th January…”.
Don’t fool yourself. Hindu social system is very much alive. It has stood the test of time, BECAUSE IT WORKS. People who have faith in it will continue to abide by it.
No one likes Discriminations. But when, they are brought to light, Hindu society has reacted appropriately. There has been a Dalit in the Central Cabinet – going right back to the days of Nehru/Indira. Many may remember Mr.Jagjivan Ram. Others will also recall Mr.Narayanan – the President. In addition, Reservation or Affirmative action is in place. Perhaps, as we get wealthier as a nation, we can do more.
But when people go out their way to abuse others – and poison the air, many will question the wisdom of Reservation. Calling others as ‘behen_*hod’ and MF may be appropriate in rural Punjab, but it is unsuitable HERE.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE BOOK REVIEW OF THE VARAH PURANA WHICH RECORDED HOW THE ABORIGINAL INDIAN HERO HIRANYAKSHA AND HIS BROTHER AND SISTER WERE KILLED BRUTALLY .
* Purana in praise of Vishnu
by V. N. GOPALA DESIKACHARIAR
As is well known, Varaha is one of the 10 avataras (incarnations) of Vishnu, where he took the form of a boar to rescue ‘mother earth’ (Bhoomi Devi) from the demon, Hiranyaksha. Named after that incarnation, the Varaha Purana was originally stated to have contained 24,000 verses, but in the form now available it has only about 10,000 verses.
Courtesy :
http://www.hindu.com/br/2009/06/16/stories/2009061650061200.htm
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
Are you quoting GOPALA DESIKACHARIAR? That’s a Brahmin. From name it seems, he is proud to be a Brahmin.
This was the community that you felt that was responsible for all your problems.
Two questions:
1. Will you accept, as truth, whatever else Mr.GOPALA DESIKACHARIAR says?
2. Will you accept, as truth, whatever OTHER Brahmins say?
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
The use of PURANAS as evidence is unacceptable. No point in quoting it.Period.
hh said
How do you know Hiranyaksha was an aboriginal indian? There were also INTRA-TRIBAL wars. The nagas, rakshasas all came from the same father – Kashyap. Please read and do not pronounce ridiculous statements for a political agenda.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE READ THE BLOG AND FIND EVIDENCES .
Shukra Charya said
June 12, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
Chumber,
“..YOU CAN READ AND KNOW ABOUT THE EVIL GODS..”.
Are you telling us that you have NO EVIDENCE?
Shukra Charya said
There is none. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE about evil Gods IN THIS BLOG.
hh said
Why should others find evidences for you. You have alleged. You provide evidences.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH / REWATCH THE READING OF A UNCONSTITUTIONAL MAN !
Vijay said
July 31, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Mr Chumber,
You are forgetting a basic point. If there are no indians, then there is no meaning of the consitution of India. The consitution is written by humans and it can never be taken as flawless. It has to be changed when and where needed. If I am not respecting it, it is not my fault, it is the fault of the constitution that has not convinced me to respect it. How many indians do know the consitution and act accordingly? Are these people not Indians?
Cortesy :
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
What’s your point?
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAVAN WAS ALSO IN LOVE WITH SITA AND VICE VERSA . RAVAN WAS ALSO A CONTENDER IN THE SITA SAWAYAMBHAR . HE DID NOT BROKE THE SHIVA`S AS HE WAS A STAUNCH SHAIVITE AND RAMA BROKE SHIVA`S BECAUSE HE WAS A STAUNCH VAISHAVNITE . And king Janak ’s daughter returned his love. And she went willingly with him by crossing the Lakshman Rekha .
‘ The act of running away with a lover, to get married is called ELOPEMENT. Its NOT a crime.
Abduction IS a crime – and is punishable by law. ‘
Shukra Charya said
June 16, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
“PRITHVY RAJ CHAUHAN ABDUCTED JAI CHAND`S DAUGHTER !”
Just to make sure that we have the facts right.
Prithvi Raj Chauhan was in love with JaiChand’s daughter. Yes, he continued to love her, even after being insulted by JaiChand. And Jai Chand’s daughter returned his love. And she went willingly with him.
The act of running away with a lover, to get married is called ELOPEMENT. Its NOT a crime.
Abduction IS a crime – and is punishable by law.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
“..And she went willingly with him by crossing the Lakshman Rekha …”
You have now altered the entire Scripture itself !! Just to suit your ego.
Here is another evidence: Did not JATAYU, the king of the birds, try to rescue her, after hearing her cries for help?
The scene of Ravana killing/maiming Jatayu has been captured on frescoes and paintings in different temples.
Chumber, misquoting the Scripture or insulting it, can lead to trouble, often death. Its a common practice among other religions. Don’t be surprised if someone starts practicing it in Hinduism too.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
If Raja Jai-Chand is your hero, so be it. Thank you for stating it openly on this forum.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
You mentioned that your daughter is a MBA.
Are you telling us that IF SHE MARRIES SOMEONE, whom you do not approve, YOU WILL KILL your SON-IN-LAW??
After all, JaiChand is your role model.
Shukra Charya said
Chumber,
“..And king Janak ’s daughter returned his love…”
Actually, she did not. Where did you get that from?
hh said
Chumber,
First, you say ppl must worship only sita not rama.
Then, you say sita eloped with ravana. What on earth?
And ravana did not break the bow bcoz he was shaivite; but rama broke it because he was vaishnavite? Wow, what an idea. Did you even read those amar chitra katha story books as a young boy.
What exactly is your problem mate? There are so many platforms to create a political platform on, for yourself.
Why go and chop up and make mince meat out of ramayana like this.
The best part is you think people will beleive you, if you make ridiculous assumptions and allegations about gods. But actually people are finding it just plain funny. Sigh..
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
BUT YOU CAN NOT BE A GOOD HINDU DISCARDING THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS AND THEIR CASTE/ VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM !
THE HINDUISM IS A ZOO OF GODS AND THIER ZIG ZAG VIEWS AND ACTIONS WHO WERE ALSO ANTI EACH OTHERS . FOR EXAMPLE ONCE PANDIT PARSHU RAM KILLER OF THE KASHTTRIYAS DID WAR WITH THE KASHATTRIYA KING RAMA .
Shukra Charya said
June 11, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
Sharma-ji
You said “We are also arguing about the Gods of the Hindu religion ..”
– – –
You can be a good Hindu even if you are an athiest. Or worship a million Gods, if you choose to.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji,
Many Hindus DO DISCARD. Many humans on this planet have discarded religion altogether. But none of them abuse people. Most certainly, they do not abuse their fellow men.
But you do. That’s the difference.
No one on this forum is forcing YOU to discard YOUR belief. In fact, no one is even ASKING you. Why can’t you be civilized? Why do feel the need to abuse? Simply because other people think differently does not give the authority to abuse.
Sukra Charya said
Whether Hinduism is a “ZOO” or not should NOT be your concern.
Why do you want to force others to think the same way you do?
lavanya said
Hinduism is not a zoo of gods.
There are 33 elemental forms of nature (like water, fire, air, thunder, lightining, etc). There are 10 avataras or forms of evolved life. There are very many saints and sages. Each one of us is a divine being, with god potential in us. If all of us are a zoo, then yep i suppose you are right.
Parashurma did not kill all kshatriyas, either during mahabharat or ramayana. Many-many kshatriya princes assembled at Sita’s swayamvara. In Mahabharat. Parashurama was an ally of the vrishnis (Krishna’s army).
There was a time when the mughals ravaged the land. The helpless people who fled from their original homes took to tilling land. Some, who cud afford, purchased land with whatever valubles they had.
In those times, whatever change of occupation people did, it was socially acceptable only if it was sanctioned by scriptures. So the fleeing people made a story that parashurama gave them their land. Now these people were from a mix of varnas.
Many warriors and traders were following brahmanical practices. They cud not say that parashurama gave land to baniyas or kshatriyas (since they were already allowed to own land as per the dharmashastras). So it was easier to say parashurama gave land to brahmins. It came about by sheer helplessness on the part of the people.
What else option did they have, they had to make a living somehow, and yet it had to be as per the norms allowed by the scriptures.
Only in one region, that is in bihar areas, the story of parashurama got used in a different way. People seized land during colonial times, used the parashurama story and passed themselves off as brahmins (group sanskritization).
You are just filled with hatered towards hindusim, and are continuously attacking one community as though they are the reason for everyone’s troubles. You seem to be living a comfortable life, but you just want a platform to promote yourself as a politician. Sheer selfishness on your part, isn’t it?
Sukra Charya said
There is NO religious restriction on anyone BECOMING a Brahmin. You HAVE to adopt of discipline in your personal life. The first of these is: CONTROL YOUR TONGUE. It means you cannot consume meat, alcohol. That also means no abusing of others.
So, if Brahmins are superior, and you wish to be one of them, no one is stopping you, EXCEPT YOURSELF. If you think, Brahmins are not superior, leave them alone. They are too few in numbers to pose a danger to you.
So Chumber, If you are more physically inclined, don’t waste time writing this blog. Take a sword and kill a few Brahmin every day – men, women and children. Thats what Mohammed of Ghazni did. That’s what Aurangazeb did. That’s what the Church did (during Inquisition in Goa). Why should you be any different??
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Pandit Swami Daya Nand founder of the Arya Samaj quoted the Manusmriti about more than 300 times in his the Satyarth Parkash scripture .The Manusmiriti and other Smirities are the constitutions of the UNITED RELIGIONS OF THE HINDUISM .
Shukra Charya said
June 15, 2009 @ 12:52 pm
Sharma-ji,
Manusmriti is NOT a religious text – and you may not use it so.
Shukra Charya said
Sharma-ji
Sri. Dayanand Saraswati is seen as a Reformer in Hinduism.
You may quote him PROVIDED you live your life AS PER HIS PRECEPTS. Has Swamiji ever suggested that you abuse your fellow-men who disagree with you?
Show us where.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU IS DUKHI AS HE HAD LOST THE BATTLE OF EVIL GODS !
NOW HE BLAMED THAT THE ANTI-EVIL GODS ARE A GROUP
.
I AM HAPPY THAT DUE TO MY HARD WORK OF MORE THAN ONE YEAR AND TWO MONTHS , I SUCCEEDED IN CREATING A LIKE MINDED HUMANITARIAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL GROUP .
MR.EKNATH IS NOT OUR LIKE MINDED PERSON .I HAD CRITICIZED HIS / HER VIEWS WHICH ARE REPRODUCED BELOW .
hh said
June 18, 2009 @ 4:25 am
Chumber @ Ram Karishan Sharma @ Eknath @ Dukhi Chumber @ Dukhi India,
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 17, 2009 @ 1:16 pm
MISS MAYAWATI OF ELEPHANT PARTY `S LATEST SLOGAN IN THE U.P. ASSEMBLY ELECTION 2007 AD WAS ,” HATHI NAHIN , GANESH HAI .BRAHMA , VISHANU , MAHESH HAI MEANS THE ELEPHANT IS GANESH AS WELL AS BRAHMA , VISHANU , MAHESH .” DR. AMBEDKAR`S 22 VOWS DISCARD THESE BRAHMA , VISHANU AND GAURI GANPATI ( GANESH ) !
THIS THE WRITING OF FICTITIOUS CUNNING MANUWADI WHO WROTE :
( 1 ) Bramins must be finished.
( 2 ) Bad people of dalits must be finished.
eknath said
June 16, 2009 @ 11:35 am
Bramins must be finished. Do not vot to congress. Vote for elephants. Do not warship gods. Worship to Dr.B.R. Ambedkar and Gautam Budha. Must follow the 22 vows of Dr.B.R. Ambedkar. Bad people of dalits must be finished.
hh said
LOL. 😀
Chumber,
You are so used to declaring, proclaiming, alleging….ofcourse i forgot you are a vvip and such an important world leader that you write letters to presidents and prime ministers of other countries. Probably about all the gods doing so many things inside your head.
If you have faulty wiring in your brain, that is not the problem of others. It is your own prob that you understand things differently.
I did not say anti-evil gods are a group. Nor do i care if you want to think that way.
Yes you have worked very hard and given us free laughs.
Goodbye.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ILLITERATE PERSONS CAN NOT FIND REFERENCES IN THIS BLOG !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
June 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
There is none. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE about evil Gods IN THIS BLOG.
hh said
June 18, 2009 @ 4:14 am
Why should others find evidences for you. You have alleged. You provide evidences.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
You have to get references from the Scriptures.
You cannot point to yourself in the mirror and say “THAT is the reference”.
hh said
So you are very literate… lol 😀
You did not provide any references from the actual scriptures, nor exact translations, nor sanskrit verses.
All you provided was writings of missionary funded mafia writings making crazy allegations on books that sell for a rupee.
Perhaps beggers are earning a lot more in the streets these days than writers like you who try so hard to sell such stuff with pot-boiler allegations..
Sukra Charya said
Sri. Dayanand Saraswati is seen as a Reformer in Hinduism.
You may quote him PROVIDED you live your life AS PER HIS PRECEPTS. Has Swamiji ever suggested that you abuse your fellow-men who disagree with you?
Show us where.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HINDUS , JEWS RELIGIOUS LEADERS MEET IN US
cOURTESY : http://www.freepressjournal.in/FPJ/FPJ/2009/06/19/index.shtml
Sukra Charya said
Yes, The Pope met Muslim leaders recently.
What’s wrong in that?
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF YOU SAY ME DOG , I HAVE TO BE COMPELLED TO SAY YOUR DEAR ONES RAPISTS , RACEISTS AND FASCISTS AS WORST THAN DOGS !!!!!
hh said
June 17, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
You are again back to barking in caps about manuwadi and about gods as rapists, racists and fascists. If you go on abusing without basis, then you cannot expect others to treat you without abuses.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
If you have any evidence, present it. Otherwise, admit you have none.
A person who calls himself a researcher, should not fake the evidence.
hh said
You have already been saying all you want. Go ahead, who cares what you say abt me or anyone….
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH THIS LINK TO KNOW ABOUT THE PRO STATUS QUO POLITICAL RACEIST AND FASCIST BJP IN INDIA !!!!!
BJP forms a committee to analyse poll debacle with audio , video and photos .
COURTESY :
http://www.hindustantimes.com/AudioVideo/AudioVideoPage.aspx?ID=1af0d453-f249-46d7-ae8b-80472a57322a
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
All parties do a post-mortem after elections. What’s so “RACEIST AND FASCIST” about it?
The Republicans in the US are doing the same thing. As far as I know, most political parties do it.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SWAMI DAYA NAND WAS A MANUWADI VAISHVANIT !
HE ABUSED SIKHS , CHARISTIANITY , ISLAM , BUDHISM , JAINISM , SANT MAT AND MANY OTHERS IN HIS SATYARTH PARKASH .
ANY ONE QUOTE ANY ONE`S BOOK OR WRITING !
WHERE DID I ABUSE YOU OR OTHERS ?
I HAD POSTED YOUR ABUSES IN THIS BLOG !
READ AND BE ASHAMED AND CONDEM THOSE !
Sukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 9:22 pm
Sri. Dayanand Saraswati is seen as a Reformer in Hinduism.
You may quote him PROVIDED you live your life AS PER HIS PRECEPTS. Has Swamiji ever suggested that you abuse your fellow-men who disagree with you?
Show us where.
Sukra Charya said
WHERE DID I ABUSE YOU OR OTHERS ?
At anytime, you call someone a “Manuwadi” – its an insult. Worst of all, you are insulting a person whom you don’t even know, whether its your friend or enemy.
I HAD POSTED YOUR ABUSES IN THIS BLOG !
Show me ONE. That is, one instance, where I had abused YOU.
Also, You are confusing between issues.
Chumber, No one here is really against you. BUT, NONE will stand will stand for abuses of Gods and the Scriptures. Hinduism allows you to question the Scriptures and the actions of the Gods – something that is forbidden in other religions. It also ALLOWS you to stay away from religion, if that’s what you want.
However, you cannot ABUSE them. Especially with an intent to hurt the sentiments of other people here.
Sukra Charya said
TERRORISTS will always point to others and say things like “RACEIST AND FASCIST “.
Because, in reality they have no arguments.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ARE YOU TELLING US THAT IF YOUR SISTER ,DAUGHTER OR ANY ANOTHER FAMILY LADY MARRIED OR UNMARRIED IS ABDUCTED BY ANY MODERN PRITHAVI RAJ CHAUHAN ” MAJANU ” , WHOM YOU DO NOT APPROVE ,YOU WILL KILL your SON-IN-LAW AND , BROTHER-IN-LAW AND SISTER , DAUGHTER BOTH OR MARRY THEM ??
AFTER ALL , PRITHAVI RAJ CHAUHAN IS YOUR ROLE MODEL !
June 18, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
Chumber,
You mentioned that your daughter is a MBA.
Are you telling us that IF SHE MARRIES SOMEONE, whom you do not approve, YOU WILL KILL your SON-IN-LAW??
After all, JaiChand is your role model.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
The reason why Jai Chand is quoted is because he is a traitor to the nation. He is also a traitor to his own people. NOBODY REMEMBERS HIM FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
If you want to concentrate on some other aspect of history, you are welcome. But, JaiChand will be remembered for being a traitor.
If he was great person, in some other context – it is forgotten. And rightly so.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU ! WHY ARE YOU POSTING AS LAVNYA ? ? ? ? ?
lavanya said
June 22, 2009 @ 6:19 am
Hinduism is not a zoo of gods.
hh said
its my wish. what’s in a name? and i don’t care if you have a problem with it.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. SHUKRACHARYA JI !
I CAN DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE BUT I WILL NEVER SURRENDER TO THE INDO-ARYANS WHO THREAT TO KILL ME !
BABA SAHEB AMBEDKAR WAS AN AUTHORITY ON HINDUISM !!
HIS BOOK ” RIDDLES OF HINDUISM ” EXPOSED THE HINDU GODS !!!
THE MAHARASHTRA GOVT.`S EDUCATION DEPTT. PUBLISHED IT .!!!!
HE RESEARCHED THAT THE VALMIKI RAMAYNA WAS DILUTED FIVE TIMES BY THE BRAHMINS !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 12:05 pm
Chumber,
“..And she went willingly with him by crossing the Lakshman Rekha …”
– – –
Chumber, misquoting the Scripture or insulting it, can lead to trouble, often death. Its a common practice among other religions. Don’t be surprised if someone starts practicing it in Hinduism too.
Sukra Charya said
“I CAN DRINK A BOWL OF POISON LIKE SOCRATE ”
Comparing yourself to Socrates. THAT is the final indignity for that ancient philospher!
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. LAVANYA @ HAPPY HINDU !
I AM NEITHER FILLED WITH HATERED TOWARDS ANY CASTE , CREED , REGION , RELIGION OR LANGUAGE ETC. NOR I AM LIVING WITH COMFORTABLE LIFE !!!!!
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE ABUSING ME BECAUSE I FIGHT AGAINST THE RAPEISM , RACEISM AND FASCISM TO ESTABLISH EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE GRANTED BY THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION !!!!!
IS THIS COMFORTABLE LIFE ? ? ? ? ?
IF I STARTED ABUSING YOU IN RETALIATION , THEN YOU WILL REALIZE THE COMFORTABLE LIFE !!!!!
lavanya said
June 22, 2009 @ 6:19 am
You are just filled with hatered towards hindusim, and are continuously attacking one community as though they are the reason for everyone’s troubles. You seem to be living a comfortable life, but you just want a platform to promote yourself as a politician. Sheer selfishness on your part, isn’t it?
hh said
Chumber,
You are certainly living a comfortable life, compared to millions on the streets.
Those poor ones do not need your stupid stories. They want money, employment, someone to teach them a few skills to make a living. Either you give them that or you shut up.
Nobody wants to listen to a lunatic politician who wants votes and appreciation for stupid stories.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dr B.R. Ambedkar said :
So long as you do not achieve social liberty, whatever freedom is provided by the law is of no avail to you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
AREN`T WE ( INDIANS ) RACIST TOO ?
SPL. ISSUE OF INDIA`S FAMOUS WEEKLY THE OUTLOOK,NEWDELHI .29/6/09 )
COURTESY :http://www.outlookindia.com/archivecontents.asp?fnt=20090629
C . L . CHUMBER said
C . L . CHUMBER said
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22, 2009 @ 9:57 am
IS IN RESPONSE TO
Shukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
Chumber,
C . L . CHUMBER said
NEITHER JAI CHAND NOR PARITHAVI RAJ CHOHAN IS MY HERO !
JAI CHAND PLAYED THE ROLE OF KING RAMA OF AYODYA !!
PRTHAVI RAJ AND JAI CHAND WERE THE SONS OF TWO DAUGHTERS OF KING ANANG PAL OF DELHI . THERE FORE , KING CHOHAN`S MARRIAGE WITH SANJOGTA D/O KING JAI CHAND WAS UNETHICAL AND A FOUL GAME !!!
IF YOU BURN THE EFFIGIES OF RAVAN , KUMBHKARAN AND MEGHNAD , THEN WHY NOT YOU BURN THE EFFIGY OF KING CHOHAN ?
RAVAN DID NOT MARRY SITA . HE EVEN DID NOT HAD ILLICIT RELATIONS WITH SITA .HE TOOK REVENGE OF HIS SISTER SURAPNAKHA .
Shukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Chumber,
If Raja Jai-Chand is your hero, so be it. Thank you for stating it openly on this forum.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SHUKRACHARYA IS CRIMINAL MINDED !
HE IS NOT FIT FOR E-DIALOGUE !!
Shukra Charya said
June 8, 2009 @ 9:30 pm
Good news! What makes you think, that he is ANYTHING like you? Do you think he will call the Gods as FASCIST or RACIST?
More likely, he will put you to DEATH , for uttering such things in his presence.
hh said
ridiculous. so even criminals with tada background can start pronouncing others as criminal minded..chumber, look at yourself first – forget your e-dialogue, are you fit for anything at all..
C . L . CHUMBER said
IF SITA DID NOT LOVE RAVAN AND SHE WAS ATTESTED AS PIOUS AND INNOCENT BY THE GOD AGANI , THEN WHY KING RAM OF AYODYA BANISHED HER IN PREGNANCY ? ? ? ? ?
EVEN SHE WAS NOT TOLD HER FAULT AND KING RAM OF AYODYA DID NOT DARE TO ANNOUNCE PUNISHMENT IN THE COURT !!!!! HE EVEN DID NOT TOLD TO SITA ! WHY ? LAKASHMAN TOLD SITA IN THE FOREST THAT SHE HAD BEEN DISCARDED BY HIS HUSBAND .
LAKASHMAN DID NOT DARE TO OPPOSE THE DECISION OF HIS BROTHER KING RAM ! WHY ?
LAKASHMAN DID NOT DARE TO ACCOMPANY SITA WITH HIS WIFE AND SITA`S SISTER URMILA ! WHY ?
RAM WAS NOT A KING .HE WAS THE YES MAN OF THE MANUWADIS AND LAKASHMAN WAS RAM`S YES MAN . THEY BOTH HAD TO FOLLOW SITA TO SUICIDE BY JUMPING IN THE BEAS RIVER ( PUNJAB ) AS THEY WERE VERY HUMILIATED BY ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIK , LAV KUSH AND SITA .
I HAVE SEARCHED IN DEPTH ON THE BANISHMENTS OF RAM , PANDHVAS , BUDDHA AND SITA ! WE WILL DISCUSS AT PROPER TIME !
Shukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 9:20 pm
Chumber,
“..And king Janak ’s daughter returned his love…”
Actually, she did not. Where did you get that from?
hh said
mad people should not be wasting time trying to understand anything in their lunacy. much less religion associated scriptures.
they should be admitted in the mental hospital and treated for obessession with rape and race.
C . L . CHUMBER said
OUR ETHICAL DUTY IS TO FIND WHO IS ON FAULT- RAVAN , SITA OR RAM ?
THE PEOPLE WILL READ AND CHURN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES TO FIND THE TRUTH !!!!!
hh said
June 19, 2009 @ 1:25
Chumber,
First, you say ppl must worship only sita not rama.
Then, you say sita eloped with ravana. What on earth?
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : I NEVER SAID TO WORSHIP ANYONE . I ALWAYS PREACH TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF ANY ONE BASED ON EQUALITY , EUITY ,QUALITY , LIBERITY ,FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE .
RAM PUNISHED HER BY BANISHING HER .WHY ? YOU WORSHIP BOTH SITA AND RAM . WHY ? WHAT ON EARTH ?
OUR ETHICAL DUTY IS TO FIND WHO IS ON FAULT- RAVAN , SITA OR RAM ?
( 2 ) And ravana did not break the bow bcoz he was shaivite; but rama broke it because he was vaishnavite? Wow, what an idea. Did you even read those amar chitra katha story books as a young boy.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : IF RAVAN COULD LIFT THE SITA , HOW COULD HE NOT LIFT THE BOW OF SHIV JI ? IS THERE ANY RATIONALITY IN THIS STORY ? THEREFORE MY LOGIC IS PERFECT .
( 3 ) What exactly is your problem mate? There are so many platforms to create a political platform on, for yourself.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : IN INDIA , THERE IS VERBAL INFORMATION .PEOPLE DO NOT READ EVEN THIER OWN SCRIPTURES IN LIFE .
THAT IS THE PROBLEM .
I AM NOT CREATING ANY PLATFORM . YOU MAY BLAME THE RSS AND ITS SISTER CONCERNS FOR THIS .
( 4 )Why go and chop up and make mince meat out of ramayana like this.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : OUR ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIK EXPOSED RAM IN HIS RAMAYANA .RAM GEONOCIDED THE INDO-ARYANS LIKE THE HITLER AND BOTH ARYANS HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE !!!!!
( 5 ) The best part is you think people will beleive you, if you make ridiculous assumptions and allegations about gods. But actually people are finding it just plain funny. Sigh..
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS :THE PEOPLE WILL READ AND CHURN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES TO FIND THE TRUTH !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
“THE PEOPLE WILL READ AND CHURN THEIR OWN SCRIPTURES TO FIND THE TRUTH !!!!!”.
Chumber,
Yes, The people on this forum have already done that. Which is why they are asking you to remove abuses.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE WORSHIPER , DEFENDER AND GLORIFYER OF THE RAPIST , RACEIST AND FASCIST GODS DID NOT BEAR THE REALITY AND THREAT TO KILL ME !!!!!
Shukra Charya said
June 18, 2009 @ 12:05 pm
Chumber,
“..And she went willingly with him by crossing the Lakshman Rekha …”
– – –
Chumber, misquoting the Scripture or insulting it, can lead to trouble, often death. Its a common practice among other religions. Don’t be surprised if someone starts practicing it in Hinduism too.
C . L . CHUMBER said
BRAHMA MARRIED HIS DAUGHTER SARASWATI
bY Dr. Abraham Kovoor
Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the
“Saraswati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had no mother.
COURTESY :
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/gods_and_godesses.html
Sukra Charya said
“…Saraswati Purana”.
Puranas are NOT acceptable are Scripture. So, any claim made on this basis, is also rejected.
hh said
Abraham Koovor was a missionary funded chepio.
He hardly touched christian scriptures, he kept away from islamic scriptures.
He only targetted hinduism with vengence.
He was well funded by missionaries. There are allegations that he had LTTE connections.
Don’t expect people to beelive that denmark bootlicker.
hh said
Since you quote Abraham Koovor, now you produce quotes from the original scriptures to prove his stupid allegations.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
People say Abraham Kovoor was a rationalist. If was a TRUE Rationalist, and did not believe in Religion – he would have started the change with HIMSELF first. He would have removed the ABRAHAM from his name.
As of now, he looks like a COWARD.
C . L . CHUMBER said
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE “IMPOTENT” RAMA
Sita told Rama “You are no better than a woman-monger who lets his wife for hire and makes is livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution”. Sita also told Rama “You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm” & “She called her husband a simpleton”.
As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan’s palace her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam,
Chapter 54).
When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttara kandam, Chapter 97).
Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him – “Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife’s heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on hand-fan and pressing it closed to her bosom She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan’s glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita’s house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan’s picture was drawn (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
If Rama loved Sita so much and Sita is held as an ideal Hindu wife, can Hindu women tolerate their husbands leaving them in forest for the years? Rama left Sita in forest after se became pregnant and she delivered er two kids in forest. (DR. B. R. Ambedkar : Riddles in Hinduism Maharashtra Govt. Publication, 1987).
COURTESY :
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/hindu_awake.htm#contempt%20for%20women
Sukra Charya said
DR. B. R. Ambedkar : Riddles in Hinduism Maharashtra Govt. Publication, 1987.
Chumber,
Ambedkar is NOT an expert on religions. His comments on religion are of no value.
C . L . CHUMBER said
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE “IMPOTENT” RAMAC .( C. L . CHUMBER said June 23, 2009 @ 8:19 am )
IS PRESENTED / WRITTEN BY
“Oh! You Hindu Awake”
by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A)
hh said
Chumber just like you post under the name “RAM KARISHAN SHARMA” there are many dalits that write utter cheapskate nonsense under brahmanical sounding names.
Why don;t you ever provide the actual verses in sanskrit or its exact translations from proper publications?
C . L . CHUMBER said
SITA IN LOVE WITH RAVAN !!!!!
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=SITA+IN+LOVE+WITH+RAVAN&meta=&aq=f&oq=
hh said
lol 😀 …you are really dum, sorry lunatic, to post a google search hyper.
The hypers say Ravan is in love with Sita. Not the opposite.
C . L . CHUMBER said
PRAJAPATI ( BRAHMA )`S LOVE FOR HER DAUGHTER SARASWATI WAS A SIN IN THE EYES OF THE OTHER HINDU GODS !!!!!
“Prajapati desired his daughter( SARASWATI) and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.
hh said
This quote is listed as Satapatha Brahmana by several islamic sites.
Get me the actual sanskrit verse, i will translate it for you.
I can also say:
Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times – surah.18.1.10.
So you will beleive it just because i mentioned Surah with some number on it?
C . L . CHUMBER said
PLEASE WATCH CHANKYA NITI :
http://www.hinduism.co.za/chanakya.htm#Sri-Chanakya%20niti-sastra
PLEASE WATCH ARATHSHASTRA OF KAUTALYA .
http://www.hinduism.co.za/kautilya.htm
hh said
don’t be stupid. what is there to “watch”. provide the quotes from the scriptures to prove your allegations.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHO DESTROYED THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION ? ( ON GOOGLE )
COURTESY : http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=WHO+DESTROYED+THE+INDUS+VALLEY+CIVILISATION+%3F&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
hh said
chumber,
what sorta stupidity it is to post google searches.
what are people supposed to search for in 21,100 hits.
floods, famine, natural disasters destroyed indus civilization.
C . L . CHUMBER said
I POSTED THIS SENSATIONAL NEWS WITH ORIGINAL HEADLINE AND WITHOUT ANY COMMENTS ! What’s wrong in that?
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 19, 2009 @ 5:25 am
HINDUS , JEWS RELIGIOUS LEADERS MEET IN US
cOURTESY : http://www.freepressjournal.in/FPJ/FPJ/2009/06/19/index.shtml
Sukra Charya said
June 22, 2009 @ 9:36 am
Yes, The Pope met Muslim leaders recently.
What’s wrong in that?
hh said
Shukracharya,
To this guy everything is sensational. He is under a rabid trance.
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAM AND LAKSHMAN`S GURU VISHWAMITRA BORN UNETHICALLLY !!!!!
The birth of Viswamitra
Sage Rucheeka (son of sage Chyavana) married Satyavathi, daughter of Gadhi, son of Kusika and went to his ashram. When Satyavathi wanted children, sage Rucheeka told her that he would create a divine rice pudding, which would give her a child. Satyavathi requested her husband to help her mother too (Gadhi did not have a son and the life and marriage is considered incomplete without a male child). So, Rucheeka meditated on Para Brahma (The Ultimate Principle) and created two vessels with divine rice preparation. He showed her the two vessels and told her that one of them is brahmyam (full of the brahminic energies, Satva guna) and the second Kshatram (full of the fighting warrior clan’s energies, Rajo guna). He told her that after bath, she and her mother should hug a fig tree and an Aswattha tree respectively and then they should consume the respective rice puddings.
However, due to destiny, the two vessels got interchanged and Satyavathi ate the pudding bearing Kshatriya energies and her mother the Brahminic one. There is another variant to the story that the mother of Satyavathi interchanged the vessels deliberately because she felt that Sage Rucheeka would give the ‘better’ child to his own wife. Thus jealousy played the part of destiny! Rucheeka saw with his divine vision about the mix up and told his wife that she was bearing a cruel Kshatriya foetus in her womb and not a Brahminic one. Satyavathi was saddened and prayed to her husband to prevent the calamity through his yogic powers. He agreed and with his yogic powers transferred the change to his grandson (to the next generation). Satyavathi’s mother carried the Brahminic foetus and Viswamitra, also known as Gadheya and Kausika was born. Thus, though born to a Kshatriya King, the soul inhabiting that body was that of a satvik brahmarshi. Let us see how the transformation took place in the physical plane too. This story has some important lessons to all Sadhakas on the spiritual path. Sai Ram.
COURTESY :
http://www.telugubhakti.com/TELUGUPAGES/Sages/Viswamitra.htm
hh said
so they ate women ate the wrong food / medicine; and had children with opposite characteristics. what is unethical about it?
hh said
typo, please read as:
so the women ate the wrong food / medicine; and had children with opposite characteristics. what is unethical about it?
C . L . CHUMBER said
WHY RAM KILLED ADI-MATA TARIKA ? ( ON GOOGLE 478 REFERENCES ) !!!!!
SHE WAS KILLED IN BUXAR DISTRICT HEAD QUARTER SITUATED ON THE BANKS OF THE RIVER GANGA IN BIHAR STATE .
I DISCOVERED THIS PLACE IN OCTOBER , 1997 AND MY SON TOOK MY PHOTOGRAPHS WITH ADI-MATA TARIKAS STATUE !
COURTESY : http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=WHY+RAM+++KILLED+TARIKA+%3F&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
C . L . CHUMBER said
RAM AND JAI CHAND WERE TWO SIDES OF A COIN !
BOTH WERE KINGS AND THEY HAD TO LIBERATE THEIR FAMILY LADIES FROM THE CAPTIVTIES !!
THEY BOTH SEEKED THE HELP OF THE KINGS !!!
THEY BOTH KILLED THEIR OPPONANTS WITH THE HELP OF OTHER KINGS !!!!
THE HINDU BURN THE EFFIGIES OF RAVAN BUT HONOUR PRITHAVI RAJ CHAUHAN DUE TO THEIR FLICKERING MINDS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
June 24, 2009 @ 9:25 pm
Chumber,
The reason why Jai Chand is quoted is because he is a traitor to the nation. He is also a traitor to his own people. NOBODY REMEMBERS HIM FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
If you want to concentrate on some other aspect of history, you are welcome. But, JaiChand will be remembered for being a traitor.
If he was great person, in some other context – it is forgotten. And rightly so.
C . L . CHUMBER said
SHUKRACHARYA`S FAMILY LADIES SCOLDED HIM AFTER READING HIS WRITING INFECTED BY AIDS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
June 25, 2009 @ 12:07 am
A mentally sick patient was being tested by a psychiatrist, before being released from the asylum. The doctor wanted to check if he could recognize alphabets and numbers.
The patient was shown a 0 (ZERO). The patient said it was the female genitals. He was shown a 1 (ONE). The patient said it was the male genitals.
One wonders what that patient is doing today.
hh said
and what are your family ladies doing chumber?
your allegations are a combination of aids and sars.
if anyone ‘scolds’ you, maybe you will shoot them.
that is why your family ladies keep quiet – out of fear.
Sukra Charya said
hh,
“He who has a thousand friends, will not have one to spare,
One who has a single enemy, will meet him everywhere.”.
Or so, they say. In our case, Mr/Mrs/Ms CLC has generated over a thousand enemies over the internet. I would have thought it as impossible.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HAPPY HINDU IS A RABID DOG BY BIRTH BORN IN A FAMILY OF RABID DOGS !!!!!
hh said
June 25, 2009 @ 1:30 pm
Shukracharya,
To this guy everything is sensational. He is under a rabid trance.
hh said
And what are you Chumber?
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
Oh, yes. About ‘Research’ from the Internet Sites. THAT is not acceptable either.
1. Try in Google: catholic priests + pedophile
You will get more than 500,000 entries (i.e. more than half a million)
2.Try in Google: Mohammed + rape
You will get more than 1,000,000 entries (i.e. More than ONE million entries!!).
There are mud-slinging on the Net – much of it is really filth – NOT ACCEPTABLE. So. that’s why we are asking you to provide the actual sloka. As of now, you have not.
We are only asking you to quote the ACTUAL sloka itself.
south indian said
rajshekar u r wng chinees destroyed indus civilisation
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE HINDUISM SINCE ITS INCEPTION IS THE RELIGION OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AND IT MUST BE BANNED BY THE CENTRE GOVT. AND STATE GOVTS . , TEMPLES OFTHE EVIL GODS MUST BE DYNAMITED AND THE FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS !!!!!
DEAR HAPPY HINDU !
MR.VIVEKANAND SAID ,” IT IS DIFFICULT TO DEFINE WHAT IS HINDUISM AND WHO IS HINDU .” !
EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN HAS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO ACCEPT OR REJECT ANY RELIGION !!
HE HAS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO PROPOGATE HIS/HER RELIGION BASED ON EQUALITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE !!!
EVERY INDIAN CITIZEN HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FIGHT AGAINST THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS WITH THE HELP OF LAW OF THE LAND !!!!
THE HINDUISM SINCE ITS INCEPTION IS THE RELIGION OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS AND IT MUST BE BANNED BY THE CENTRE GOVT. AND STATE GOVTS . , TEMPLES OFTHE EVIL GODS MUST BE DYNAMITED AND THE FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL GODS MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS !!!!!
hh said
June 25, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
ok since you want to be a adi-dharmi, be what you want.
nobody wants you to be a hindu.
if you are not a hindu, you have no right to abuse hinduism.
for that matter, you have no right to abuse any religion in this world, just because you get missionary paisa to spew hate and rubbish.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
At this point, the ONLY person propagating FASCIST, RACIST ideas on this forum is YOU.
If you indeed respect the LAW OF THE LAND, then give yourself up. Take the punishment LIKE A MAN. Do you have the courage?
C . L . CHUMBER said
HAPPY HINDU !
YOUR LUNATIC STATEMENTS SHOW YOUR MANUWADI BENT OF MIND AND YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR E-DIALOGUE FOR EVER LIKE RAJASHEKAR .
WE HAVE SUPPLIED YOU THE EXACT REFERENCE Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.AND ITS ENGLISH TRANSLATION .IF YOU DO NOT READ ENGLISH , THEN YOU FIND THIS BOOK IN YOUR CHOICE LANGUAGE !!!!!
YOU LUNATIC WROTE ” I can also say:Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times – surah.18.1.10. ” NOW I WILL READ THE QUARAN TO KNOW THE AUTHENTICITY OF ” Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times .”
HERE YOU WROTE THAT ” Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times ” AND YOU WROTE ANOTHER PLACE ” THE GOOGLE SEARCH RECORDED ” CHUMBER RAPED MUHAMMAD ” FLASHED IN THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com !!!!! ” ( LINK hh said
June 28, 2009 @ 3:47 pm ,:https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/#comment-6545 ) .
YOUR LUNATIC STATEMENTS SHOW YOUR MANUWADI BENT OF MIND AND YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR E-DIALOGUE FOR EVER LIKE RAJASHEKAR .
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 23, 2009 @ 9:02 am
PRAJAPATI ( BRAHMA )`S LOVE FOR HER DAUGHTER SARASWATI WAS A SIN IN THE EYES OF THE OTHER HINDU GODS !!!!!
“Prajapati desired his daughter( SARASWATI) and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.
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hh said
June 25, 2009 @ 1:36 pm
This quote is listed as Satapatha Brahmana by several islamic sites.
Get me the actual sanskrit verse, i will translate it for you.
I can also say:
Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times – surah.18.1.10.
So you will beleive it just because i mentioned Surah with some number on it?
hh said
YOU LUNATIC WROTE ” I can also say:Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times – surah.18.1.10. ” NOW I WILL READ THE QUARAN TO KNOW THE AUTHENTICITY OF ” Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times .”
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LOL , 😀 So you are going to read the quran to know authenticity is chumber was raped by mohammed or not. Good. In the same way, you read the hindu scriptures and then talk your utter nonsense.
Dont’t just quite some lines from islamic sites or some google references, your job is to provide the actual shloka. i will provide you the translation.
hh said
YOU LUNATIC WROTE ” I can also say:Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times – surah.18.1.10. ” NOW I WILL READ THE QUARAN TO KNOW THE AUTHENTICITY OF ” Muhammad raped chumber two hundered times .”
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LOL , 😀 So you are going to read the quran to know authenticity if chumber was raped by mohammed or not. Good. In the same way, you read the hindu scriptures and then talk your utter nonsense.
Dont’t just quite some lines from islamic sites or some google references, your job is to provide the actual shloka. i will provide you the translation.
C . L . CHUMBER said
NEWS ON LEBERHAN ( BABARI MOSQUE ) PANEL ( 2 ) .
NDA, UPA took contradictory positions before Commission
http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/01/stories/2009070155711000.htm
* Kalyan Singh justified masjid demolition
* http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/01/stories/2009070160411000.htm
* BJP leaders had tried to save mosque: Prasad
* Liberhan: I am independent today
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090701/main2.htm
* Submission of report ill-timed, feel Cong leaders
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090701/main2.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
* BJP alleges conspiracy, dares Cong to rebuild Babri Masjid
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-alleges-conspiracy-dares-cong-to-rebuild-babri-masjid/483448/
Sukra Charya said
There is nothing wrong in demolishing the works of an invader. Today, that invader is six-feet below the earth. The structure to celebrate his victory should be with him – six feet under the earth.
rajashekar said
south indian said
June 29, 2009 @ 11:14 am
rajshekar u r wng chinees destroyed indus civilisation
Hi South indian,
What is that ? What do you want to say ? Your post is not clear. Be specific.
C . L . CHUMBER said
ONLY THE BEARER KNOWS , WHERE THE SHOE PINCHES !!!!!
hh said
June 30, 2009 @ 2:19 am
And what are you Chumber?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU !
WHO IS THE WRITER , PUBLISHER WITH ADDRESS AND YEAR OF PUBLICATION
OF ” the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi ” OF WHICH YOU QUOTED ? ? ? ? ?
WHO IS / WAS ” Salman.” IN THE ACTUAL RAMAYANA ?
hh said
June 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am
Chumber,
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Chumbervathy, sister-in-law of chumber, said to him – “Oh Elder! How you love your wife more than you love yourself! come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife’s heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Salman. Drawing a picture of salman on hand-fan and pressing it closed to her bosom She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Salman’s glories. Chumber sighed and went out to his wife’s house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Salman’s picture was drawn (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
COURTESY : https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635
hh said
So stupid chumber.
I was only showing you that anyone can write stories like that. Missionary mafia funded dalit writers who “assume’ the surnames of chatterjee or varma, spew a hell lot of nonsense with fake stories,
Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
We already have the ramayaana in sanskrit, how will anyone beleive the idiotic stuff written by your dalit mafia writers..
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU COPIED THE BELOW WRITING AND CHANGED RAM WITH MY NAME AND SITA WITH MY WIFE AT ( hh said , June 27, 2009 @ 5:04 am
https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635 ) WHICH WE REPRODUCED AT( C.L.CHUMBER said ,Your comment is awaiting moderation. ,July 3, 2009 @ 5:36 pm https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/brahmins-destroyed-the-dravidian-indus-valley-civilization/ ) .
C . L . CHUMBER said
June 25, 2009 @ 9:13 am
( https://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mandal-commission-rajiv-gandhi-and-the-manuwadi-conspiracy/#comment-6635 )
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE “IMPOTENT” RAMA
“Oh! You Hindu Awake”
by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A)
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Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him – “Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife’s heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on hand-fan and pressing it closed to her bosom She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan’s glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita’s house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan’s picture was drawn (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
COURTESY :http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/hindu_awake.htm#contempt%20for%20women
hh said
Chumber,
I was only showing you that anyone can write stories like that.
Missionary mafia funded dalit writers who “assume’ the surnames of chatterjee or varma, spew a hell lot of nonsense with fake stories. Nobody beleives them, except they themselves.
Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
We already have the ramayana in sanskrit, nobody will beleive the idiotic stuff written by your dalit mafia writers..
Keep screaming and shouting, you mafia fellows are fit to keep doing only that.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ARYANS
( last three paragraphs )
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However, when the British came to India for trade, they deceptively took control by setting Indian against Indian, assisted by the Brahmins. This completely destroyed India’s moral fibre and ruined its economy. The Brahmins worked with the British to take control of India. They were quick to portray Manu Dharma (the law of the Caste System based on ones skin color or varna) as the Hindu law, and through the translation of William Jones this poison entered the society of the world.
In Sri Lanka which is largely Buddhist, there are many castes which is unusual for Buddhist societies. The population of Sri Lanka is mainly Sinhalese who constitute 74 % and they are called an Aryan people30. Thus we can see that where ever the Aryan people are, the society is degraded by racism and oppression. This is the root cause of the civil strife in Sri Lanka today. Another example is Adolph Hitler who claimed to belong to the mythical Aryan race.
In conclusion, there is no such race as the Aryans and the term is synonymous with racism and deception. Today there is much being written in the media denying the Aryan race and declaring it a myth. However, the intention is not to bring equality in the society, but rather to cover up the deception in history exposed by the discovery of the Indus Valley civilization.31
COURTESY : http://www.appiusforum.com/aryans.html
Sukra Charya said
“Brahminism is contrary to the Gospel since man is liberated in Jesus Christ.”.
This is what the passage says. So, this essay is the work of some Christian missionary. Missionaries, in their zeal to convert, have committed many atrocities – not just in India, but all over the world. The smaller of the sins is lying, as in this case.
No man can be liberated in Jesus Christ – since Jesus himself never existed.
Sukra Charya said
“However, the intention is not to bring equality in the society …”
Equality cannot be attained by forcible conversion to Christianity. If equality could have attained thus, how is it that Blacks in the US have up their religion altogether? They do not even celebrate Christmas!!
Sukra Charya said
“and the term is synonymous with racism and deception.”.
This could be true. We now realize that our former colonial rulers had no respect for truth. They created an artificial invasion so that they could justify their rule. They also altered our history books.
They also created a new form of discrimination, unknown till that time. Discrimination based on caste. (Till that time, different communities did different types of work – but there was no discrimination). Revealing one’s caste became essential, for any government job.
Rather than looking back, lets look forward. Lets not discriminate against each other for any reason.
Sukra Charya said
“However, when the British came to India for trade, they deceptively took control by setting Indian against Indian.. .”.
Chumber,
The British took control of India by gun and cannon. They defeated us on the battlefield.
Nothing to do with Brahmins.
Sukra Charya said
“In conclusion, there is no such race as the Aryans and the term is synonymous with racism and deception.”.
The term Aryan was used widely by the Nazis. Unfortunately, they took the symbol Swastika – which till that time was used in Buddhist and Hindu temples.
So, Adolf Hitler stole a symbol, which had been in existence for at least 2000 years before he was born. Racism and Deception should be associated with Nazis – not with Aryans or the Swastika.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION
(3000 BC – 1500 BC)
The great bath at Mohenjo-daroUntil the discovery of the Indus Valley Civilization, the development of literature and culture in India was always credited to the Aryans. In 1920 archaeologists announced the discovery of extensive urban ruins in the Indus Valley which pre-dated the earliest archaeological sources and this has caused scholars to re-examine their views on the different phases of Indian culture. The Rig Veda which speaks in such derogatory terms of the enemies subdued by the Aryan tribes, gives the impression that they were all savage barbarians.1 The Brahmins for centuries have degraded the original inhabitants of India with the intention of self elevation, preservation and oppression.
COURTESY : http://www.appiusforum.com/indusvalley.html
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
These days, children in middle school create web pages. There is no special skill or intelligence required.
Why is why, you MAY NOT use this as evidence of any sort.
Sukra Charya said
“The Rig Veda which speaks in such derogatory terms of the enemies subdued by the Aryan tribes, gives the impression that they were all savage barbarians.”.
There we go again. Can we have the actual sloka, please?
C . L . CHUMBER said
THEN YOU HAVE TO HONOUR THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION AND DISCARD THE ANGLO-VAIDIK HINDU EVIL SCRIPTURES !!!!!
YOU ALL HINDUS HAVE TO DISCARD THE OLD RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND CREAT YOUR NEW GODS WHO BELIVE IN EQUALITY , EQUITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 7, 2009 @ 11:08 am
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“Rather than looking back, lets look forward. Lets not discriminate against each other for any reason.
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
Whenever you make a statement, YOU have to provide the evidence. It is your responsibility. THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION ON THIS.
Whether we move forward or backward is our individual choice. Going by the comments of most people here, we want to GO FORWARD.
However, most people on this forum have no force our opinion on you. You may go backward if you wish.
Sukra Charya said
“THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCARD THE ..HINDU EVIL SCRIPTURES !!!!!”.
Why? Chumber, WHY? For one thing, you cannot dictate on who who should believe what.
Secondly, we have been polite to you and asked to provide any evidence why YOU should ANY belief be EVIL. This is your responsibility.
As of none, YOU have FAILED.
C . L . CHUMBER said
HINDU RASHTRA IS AGAINST CONSTITUTION : JUDGE !!!!!
Staff Reporter
Mumbai: It is one thing to form a Hindu organisation and quite another to speak of forming a Hindu state, which is not in keeping with the Constitution, the special court under the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crimes Act noted on Wednesday.
“Forming an organisation is fine, but wanting to create a Hindu ‘rajya’ [state] is against the Constitution. We are working under the Constitution,” judge Y.D. Shinde said during a hearing in the Malegaon blast case.
The judge’s remark came when counsel Shrikant Shivade, arguing the case of bail for an accused, Lt. Col. Prasad Shrikant Purohit, said there was nothing wrong with his vision of a Hindu ‘rashtra.’ “If I say, ‘remove the word secular and insert the word Hindu,’ there is nothing wrong in that,” counsel said.
The charge sheet reveals that the blast accused were led by the ideology of forming a Hindu ‘rashtra.’
The transcripts placed on record highlight Lt. Col. Purohit’s contempt for secularism and the Constitution.
COURTESY :
http://www.thehindu.com/2009/03/05/stories/2009030561061100.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
I WILL ARRANGE THE JUDGEMENT AND WE WILL ARRANGE SEMINAR ON THIS TOPIC IN FOUR REGIONS OF INDIA TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ISSUE !!!!!
HINDU RASHTRA IS AGAINST CONSTITUTION : JUDGE !!!!!
Staff Reporter
COURTESY :
http://www.thehindu.com/2009/03/05/stories/2009030561061100.htm
Sukra Charya said
Chumber,
Did you know that THE HINDU is owned by a Brahmin family?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. HAPPY HINDU WROTE ,” it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true ” .
IF ANYONE WRITES , ” HAPPY HINDU BEING A STAUNCH FOLLOWER BRAHMA , RAPES HIS DAUGHTER DAILY .” I THINK THAT MR. HAPPY HINDU WILL BE ANGRY DEFINITELY .
HE NOT ONLY USED FILTHY LANGUAGE FOR ME BUT ALSO FOR MY WIFE .
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM THE WORSHIPERS , DEFENDERS OF THE EVIL GODS AND BORN IN THE CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM INFECTED SOCIETY ? ? ? ? ?
hh said
July 7, 2009 @ 3:34 am
So stupid chumber
hh said
July 7, 2009 @ 3:36 am
Chumber,.
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Before i susbtituted the names on the story provided by you, i already said that it is not to make you angry, but only to show how anyone can write anything, it does not become true.
rajashekar said
Chumber,
First you learn how to honour the Indian Constitution and discard your hate and anti propaganda of God and Hindu Scriptures.
I have on several occasions quoted that defaming or insulting the other faith of worship and form of worship are anti constitutional and you are more indulged in such nefarious activity than any other person. Therefore, your words need not be considered as of any sane.
And there is nothing called THE OLD RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS and the god is not all that you quoted and described. You are blind with anti constitutional and anti social thoughts and closely related to anti social elements and are punishable as per the law of Indian Constitution.
And you can not create your own New Gods. You are only showing y our height of ignorance and stupidity and your knowledge about GOD is ZERO.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 8, 2009 @ 1:57 pm
THEN YOU HAVE TO HONOUR THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION AND DISCARD THE ANGLO-VAIDIK HINDU EVIL SCRIPTURES !!!!!
YOU ALL HINDUS HAVE TO DISCARD THE OLD RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS AND CREAT YOUR NEW GODS WHO BELIVE IN EQUALITY , EQUITY , LIBERITY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO ALL !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 7, 2009 @ 11:08 am
“Rather than looking back, lets look forward. Lets not discriminate against each other for any reason.
rajashekar said
Arrange the judgement ????.
What seminar and how does it help you ????
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 8, 2009 @ 4:50 pm
I WILL ARRANGE THE JUDGEMENT AND WE WILL ARRANGE SEMINAR ON THIS TOPIC IN FOUR REGIONS OF INDIA TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ISSUE !!!!!
HINDU RASHTRA IS AGAINST CONSTITUTION : JUDGE !!!!!
Staff Reporter
COURTESY :
C . L . CHUMBER said
ADOLF HITLER CLAIMED TO BE AN ARYAN AND ADOPTED THE ARYAN RACISTS` SYMBOL SWASTIKA .
THE ARYANS ` INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY FAVOURED ADOLF HITLER ARYAN IN THE WORLD WAR BY BYCOTTING THE THEN INDIAN GOVERNMENT !!!!!
BUT BABA MUGGOWALIA , BABA AMBEDKAR OPPOSED THE INDO-ARYANS AND ARYAN HITLER`S PLOT AND ASKED THE UNTOUCHABLES TO ENTER IN THE ARMY TO SAVE INDIA FROM ARYAN HITLER !!!!!
The swastika was a symbol for the Aryan people, a name which, in Sanskrit means “noble”. The Aryans were a group of people who settled in Iran and Northern India. They believed themselves to be a pure race, superior to the other surrounding cultures. When the Germans looked for a symbol, they looked for a symbol which represented the purity which they believed they contained. The Nazis regarded themselves as “Aryans” and tried to steal the accomplishments of these pre-historic people.
In Nazi Germany, the swastika with its arms turned clockwise became the national symbol. In 1910, a poet and nationalist Guido von List suggested that the swastika as a symbol for all anti-Semitic organizations. When the National Socialist Party was formed in 1919, it adopted the ancient symbol, the swastika, giving it the worst meaning possible, destroying the good symbolism which the swastika had held for thousands of years prior.
In 1935, the black swastika on a white circle with a crimson background became the national symbol of Germany.
COURTESY :
http://iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/swastika.html
Sukra Charya said
July 8, 2009 @ 7:27 pm
“In conclusion, there is no such race as the Aryans and the term is synonymous with racism and deception.”.
The term Aryan was used widely by the Nazis. Unfortunately, they took the symbol Swastika – which till that time was used in Buddhist and Hindu temples.
So, Adolf Hitler stole a symbol, which had been in existence for at least 2000 years before he was born. Racism and Deception should be associated with Nazis – not with Aryans or the Swastika.
C . L . CHUMBER said
If supreme court would have given stay in the statues of dalit icons case , the existence of statues and monuments non dalit icons , creatyed by public funds , will be also in danger as per th supreme court judgement !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
chumber,
The amount spent is larger than what ALL the other communities put together, over the past five decades on statues. The amount comes to about $500 million – ie. 500 million dollars. WOW! That’s a lot of money.
With that type of money, Ms.Mayawati COULD have said:
I am opening advanced colleges for “Dalits-only”.
1. College of Technology (Ambedkar College of Engineering)
2. College of Medicine (Ambedkar School of Medicine)
3. Management Institute (Ambedkar Management Institute)
There would still be a lot of money left over. Sufficient for the next decade or so.
She COULD have said this is dedicated 100% for economically disadvantaged dalit students. She COULD have said this was with 100% scholarship. Not just dalits, all of India would have applauded her. All Indians all over the world would have applauded her.
The tragedy is that she did NOT. There will no colleges for deserving, poor Dalits – just statues of politicians.
At the end of the day, Dalits are Hindus. They are not stupid. At some point, they will WILL wake up. They will ask their leaders uncomfortable questions. Questions like: Why was the money wasted? If you were so worried about the dalit cause, how come you did not set up a SINGLE educational institute for us? And how come, you have such a big bank account?
That day is not far off.
rajashekar said
Because the Supreme Court is very much aware that giving stay order in the said statue installation case would not only turmoil the public life by communal riots but also know that some narrow minded and cheap thinking people with full of only filth in their head and their thoughts will only take this oppurtunity to their advantage in damaging public harmony and sowing the seeds of hatred in the minds of weak minded people and instigate violence to bring civil war as it is happening in our neighbourhood state – Pakistan, only to stall the over all progress of this country.
Not only that , those people are also capable to get themselves involved in barbaric act in a civilised soceity like it happened on 26/11 in Mumbai. And people who may take such oppurtunity try to devide this country apart in the name of communal sentiments and riots and act like heros of the era and demand for the installation of their statue while THEY ARE still alive only to drain away the public money meant for the sake of up-liftment and development of those down trodden and the dalits.
That is all that , but not REALLY that the supreme court has on primafacie accepted or intend to ignore such Prostituiosly ILL COATED acts of draining away the public money. It is very sad , more concerning and worrying that in a democratic country like India, the supreme court is pushed to pass such a comment while passing the order only to make justice to the public to keep the harmony and peace in tact which is , in deed, more important by overlooking the loss of time,money and the over all development of that region for which the fund/money could have utilised.It only describes the suspected and proposed heinus act of the so called politician and their followers/ supporters and defenitely not a victory on their part , Please mind.
And it is perhaps true that cheap and filthy minded people can react ( NOT REALLY ACT) to such stay , if given in the interest of the exchequer of this Nation , in vengence by demolishing or defacing the Installed Statues and monuments of non dalit icons who are real heros / heroins of this nation who put their life to risk to bring the Independence to this country and those who struggled for the cause of downtrodden and the dalits.
AND THEREFORE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHEER ABOUT IT BUT MORE TO MOURN ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE FATE OF THE PUBLIC BEING PUT IN THE HANDS OF THE MOST DREADED AND INEFFICIENT SET OF INSANE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI CONSTITUTIONAL, ASSOCIATED WITH ANTISOCIAL ELEMENTS AND THE TERRORIST.
UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT SUCH PEOPLE ARE IDENTIFIED AS SOCIAL REFORMERS AND INTELECTUAL THINKERS AND GARLANDED AND BOOT LICKED.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 11, 2009 @ 7:05 pm
If supreme court would have given stay in the statues of dalit icons case , the existence of statues and monuments non dalit icons , creatyed by public funds , will be also in danger as per th supreme court judgement !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
“THE ARYANS ` INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY”…?
What? Are you now saying that Gandhi-ji was a Nazi ?
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. SHUKRACHARYA !
THE HINDUISM HONOURS THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS A GODS , THEREFORE THE HINDUISM IS NOT A RELIGION !!!!!
YOU ARE NOT POLITE TOWARDS ME . YOU ARE ABUSER PER EXLLENCE .
PLEASE WATCH YOUR WRITTTINGS .
I HAD SUBMITTED ALL THE INFORMATIONS IN SUPPORT MY WRITTINGS BUT YOUR TEAM IGNORED THESE AND STARTED ABUSING .
THE ABUSERS CAN NOT DO E-DIALOGUE !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 10, 2009 @ 8:14 pm
“THEN YOU HAVE TO DISCARD THE ..HINDU EVIL SCRIPTURES !!!!!”.
Why? Chumber, WHY? For one thing, you cannot dictate on who who should believe what.
Secondly, we have been polite to you and asked to provide any evidence why YOU should ANY belief be EVIL. This is your responsibility.
As of none, YOU have FAILED.
Sukra Charya said
“YOU ARE NOT POLITE TOWARDS ME .”.
Chumber,
Actually, Chumber one is surprised at your level of abuse. Many people on the forum, have been patient, having given good explanations and have just asked for evidence. Calling others as “behen_*hod” or “matha_*hod” may be acceptable in some rural parts of Punjab, but they are NOT acceptable here.
I know for certain that if one used the same words in public marketplace, people will either call him a lunatic (and put him in an asylum) OR if violence ensures, the offender goes home with severe injuries (if he goes home at all).
Being polite is a two-way street. YOU need to be polite FIRST. Unfortunately, this has not happened. You have made enemies even of those who wanted to be friendly to you. This is sad.
Being polite is a part of the Hindu tradition. But it is a part of Western tradition too. There, children are taught what words to use and what NOT to use, from the day they learn to speak. After seeing your language most
people feel sorry for you.
C . L . CHUMBER said
UNLESS YOU FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FILTHY LANGUAGE , YOU CAN NOT EXPECT DIALOGUE WITH A PERSON WHOM YOU ABUSED .
ABUSING AND DIALOGUE CAN NOT WORK TOGETHER !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 9, 2009 @ 10:12 am
Chumber,
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CONVEY ? ? ? ? ?
Sukra Charya said
July 9, 2009 @ 12:21 pm
Chumber,
Did you know that THE HINDU is owned by a Brahmin family?
Sukra Charya said
“WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CONVEY ? ? ? ? ?”
Since you feel that people of all other communities (“higher castes”) are BAD and tell lies all the time. Therefore, you cannot use papers like (THE HINDU, which is owned by some “upper-caste”), to support your claim.
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
I have already responded to this. Please go through and reply on the points raised so as to prepare a stage for a healthy and cordial atmosphere for a conntinued e-dialogue. I will stick to my word.I do not use any word that you consider Abusive.
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 14, 2009 @ 11:14 am
UNLESS YOU FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR FILTHY LANGUAGE , YOU CAN NOT EXPECT DIALOGUE WITH A PERSON WHOM YOU ABUSED .
ABUSING AND DIALOGUE CAN NOT WORK TOGETHER !!!!!
rajashekar said
July 9, 2009 @ 10:12 am
Chumber,
rajashekar said
Cont…..
And also language tht is considered filthy.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. M. K . GANDHI WAS WORST THAN THE NAZIS AS HE WAS THE STAUNCH FOLLOWER OF THE RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS !!!!!
HE TOOK FAST -UN-TO DEATH AGAINST THE SCs IN THE COMMUNAL AWARD DATED 18TH AUGUST , 1932 .
PLEASE READ DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES .”
WE HATE GANDHI AS HE WAS ALSO A CHARACTERLESS PERSON !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 13, 2009 @ 9:38 am
“THE ARYANS ` INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY”…?
What? Are you now saying that Gandhi-ji was a Nazi ?
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED ON THIS ISSUE AND DECLARED IT LEGAL .
Sukra Charya said
July 14, 2009 @ 11:47 am
chumber,
rajashekar said
There are four Vedas, the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda.
The Vedas are the primary texts of India. They also had a vast influence on Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism.
Traditionally the text of the Vedas was coeval with the universe. Scholars have determined that the Rig Veda, the oldest of the four Vedas is in existence and practiced by civilized humans of that time and from the time unknown to the inhabitants of this world and unknown when it was finally committed to writing since it is ( THE KNOWLEDGE) transferred vocally from one person to other(s).
The Vedas contain hymns, incantations, and rituals from ancient India. Along with the Book of the Dead, the Enuma Elish, the I Ching, and the Avesta, they are among the most ancient religious texts still in existence. Besides their spiritual value, they also give a unique view of everyday life in India for thousands of years ago. The Vedas are the most ancient extensive texts in an India and in deva bash (Sanskrit) language, and as such are invaluable in the study of comparative linguistics.
And the Upanishads are a continuation of the Vedic philosophy, and were written between 800 and 400 B.C. They elaborate on how a person can attain and realize the ultimate truth of life being an intellectual human unlike animals through contemplation and mediation, as well as the doctrine of do good, speak good, see good , the cumulative effects of a persons’ action , which contributes towards building up a civilized and harmonious society to achieve the former.
rajashekar said
Abrahamic religions on God and Their Gender.
Let us view how the Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam deal with God and gender. It includes both traditional religious views, and modern views of these faiths, especially as to how modern feminism has influenced the theology of these religions.
Monotheists hold a belief in one God as a fundamental religious principle.
In Judaism and Islam, God is believed to be sexless, traditionally referred to using male grammatical gender.
In Christianity, God is believed to be a Trinity, consisting of three persons in one God. The three persons of the Trinity are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God , the Father has traditionally been described with male imagery, and the Son is believed to literally be a male, with male sexual anatomy. According to Christianity God literally became incarnate as a human male, and many Christian teachings are derived from this point. God, the Holy Spirit, has been referred to using male, female or neutral grammatical gender.
Being continued……………..
C . L . CHUMBER said
The Hinduism is a political and violent religion !!!!!
It honors rapisyts , racists and fascists as gods !!!!!!
It recognizes caste / varna system !!!!!
It is deadly against the aboriginal Indians and women of all castes /varnas !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
“YOU ARE NOT POLITE TOWARDS ME .”.
Chumber,
– – –
Being polite is a part of the Hindu tradition.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. SHUKRACHARYA !
DO NOT EAT FOOD STUFFS AS THESE ARE PRODUCED BY THE SHUDRAS !!!!!
DO NOT WEAR CLOTHS AS THESE ARE MADE OF THE COTTON PRODUCED BY THE ABORIGINAL INDIAN FARMERS .
DO NOT DRINK WATER AS THE HAND PUMPS, TUBE WELLS AND WELLS WERE TOUCHED BY THE SHUDRAS !!!!!
DO NOT LIVE IN THE HOUSES / FLATS AS THE ARE TOUCHED AND BUILT BY THE INDIAN ABORIGINALS !!!!!
DO NOT ENTER IN THE TEMPLES AS THESE ARE TOUCHED AND BUILT BY THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ( SHUDRAS ) !!!!!
DO SUICIDE AS WHEN YOU WERE BORN , THE SHUDRA NURSE TOUCHED YOUR MOTHER`S UTERUS FOR DELIVERY AND YOU .!!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 16, 2009 @ 1:05 am
“WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CONVEY ? ? ? ? ?”
Since you feel that people of all other communities (”higher castes”) are BAD and tell lies all the time. Therefore, you cannot use papers like (THE HINDU, which is owned by some “upper-caste”), to support your claim.
C . L . CHUMBER said
WE ALL DALITS OF INDIA ARE COMPELLED TO RAJA DHALE`S WORDING FOR MRS. SONIA GANDHI , LADY MPs , WIVES OF MEN MPS OF PARLIAMENT FOR NOT USING THESE FUNDS ON THE DALITS . THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED TREACHARY !!!!!
IT IS MY ETHICAL DUTY TO TAKE NOTICE OF MR. KUMARPUSHAP`S SENTIMENTS !!!!!
I NEVER READ SUCH A STATEMENT WHICH REFLECTS THE ARROGANCE OF THE DEPRESSED AND OPPERESSED ABORIGINAL INDIANS AGAINST THE INDO-ARYANS !!!!!
ONCE I SAID AS THE NATIONAL SPOKESMAN OF THE SAHEB KANSHI RAM BACHAAO SANGHARSH COMMITTEE IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE AT JALANDHAR THAT MRS. SONIA KEPT THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT AGAINST SAHEB KANSHI RAM IN HER UTERUS !!!!!
THE JOURNALISTS APPRECIATED MY SENTIMENTS AND THEY WERE HELPLESS TO REPORT . BUT IT MAY BE IN THE CID RECORDS .
BEFORE THIS , MR. RAJA DHALE , A DALIT PANTHER LEADER OF MAHARASHTRA IN THE 7TH DECADE SAID IN A SPEECH THAT MRS. INDIRA GANDHI SHOULD KEEP THE NATIONAL FLAG IN HER UTERUS . HE WAS UTTERING ON THE ATTROCITIES ON THE DALITS ALL OVER INDIA .
NOW , MRS. SONIA GANDHI , CHAIRPERSON OF THE UPA GOVERNMENT DID NOT UTILIZED THE BUDGET ON THE DALITS .PLEASE READ ( C . L . CHUMBER said , July 7, 2009 @ 3:46 pm )
* UPA failed to use Rs 72,500 crore for Dalits: Study
COURTESY : http://www.hindustantimes.com/SectionPage/News_India.aspx?SectionName=IndiaSectionPage
MRS. SONIA GANDHI AND HER ALLIANCE AND ITS GOVERNMENT DID A CRIME FOR WHICH THETY MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS !!!!!
WE ALL DALITS OF INDIA ARE COMPELLED TO RAJA DHALE`S WORDING FOR MRS. SONIA GANDHI , LADY MPs , WIVES OF MEN MPS OF PARLIAMENT FOR NOT USING THESE FUNDS ON THE DALITS . THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED TREACHARY !!!!!
WE APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENTS OF MR. KUMARPUSHAP AND WARN THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL RULERS OF INDIA TO MEND THEIR WAYS !!!!!
KUMARPUSHP said
July 11, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
Dalits donot require resevation ,they require dalitstan where they can stay away from barbaric hindus,dalits have to keep knives ready to stab the bharat mata,s Uterus so she would not delivered any hindus in future ,we have to kill hindus in the womb itself.
C . L . CHUMBER said
What Mayawati Has Done
To The Dalits Of U.P.?
By S.R.Darapuri
Courtesy :
http://www.countercurrents.org/darapuri020908.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE ADIVASIS OF INDIA –
A HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION , CONFLICT AND RESISTANCE
— By C.R. Bijoy, Core Committee of the All India Coordinating Forum of Adivasis/Indigenous Peoples
COURTESY :
http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Dalit-tribal/2003/adivasi.htm
Sukra Charya said
Watch the following videos.
http://mumbaihangout.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3811&Item
C . L . CHUMBER said
BABA SAHEB DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” ANNIHILATION OF CASTE ”
DEAR VIEWERS,
I FEEL PLEASURE TO SUPPLY LINK OF BABA SAHEB DR. AMBEDKAR`S BOOK ” ANNIHILATION OF CASTE ” TO LOGIC END OF OUR DIALOGUE ON THE HINDUISM .
THE HINDU SOCIETY IS A CRIMINAL SOCIETY WHOSE GODS ARE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS .
THEIR SO CALLED WRITERS THREAT ME AND OTHERS EVEN TO KILL .
SHAHID BHAGAT SINGH ONCE WROTE THAT THE BIG STATES CAN BE DESTROYED BUT THE THOUGHTS COULD BE COUNTERED BY THE THOUGHTS ONLY !!!!!.
WE CHALLENGE THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL RELIGION AND ITS EVIL GODS TO COUNTER BABA SAHEB`S RATIONAL FINDINGS WITH REFERENCES !!!!!
Annihilation of Caste
LINK :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7482362/Annihilation-of-Caste
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR ADMINISTRATOR JI ,
I AM TRYING MY BEST TO SUPPLY THE VALUABLE RESEARCH LINKS FOR OUR ESTEEMED VIEWERS SO THAT THEY MAY READ AND UTILIZE . THIS IS THE VERY VERY REFERENCE AND SOURCE MATERIAL LINK .i HOPE THAT YOUR GOOD SELF AND THE VIEWERS WILL APPRECIATE THIS RARE LINK . THANKS .
C.L.CHUMBER
British Ruled India (1757-1947 )
by David Steinberg
David.Steinberg@houseofdavid.ca
Home page http://www.houseofdavid.ca/
1. Documentary Sources, Libraries and other Institutions
Periodical Literature – Historical Abstracts (http://library.dialog.com/bluesheets/pdf/bl0039.pdf ). Access provided by many academic libraries.
1.1 British Sources
British Library – India Office Records located at British Library, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2DB.
National Archives of England, Wales and the United Kingdom
Access to Archives – A2A – The A2A is a searchable database that includes the majority of India Office Records catalogues.
Sources for Imperial and Commonwealth History
Search
CAB Records of the Cabinet Office 1863-1997
CAB Records of the Committee of Imperial Defence 1863-1974
CAB 6 – Committee of Imperial Defence: Defence of India Memoranda (D Series) 1901-1939
House of Commons Parliamentary Papers (HCPP) – This gives access to texts of British Laws (e.g. all the government of India Acts) as well as many key reports tabled e.g. Command Papers (CD) such as the Crewe Report on the reorganisation of the India Office (CMD 207 1919); Report of the Joint Committee. Report and proceedings; Evidence, Appendices, Records and Indices (Indian Constitutional Reform) and Report, proceedings, and Records (Indian Constitutional Reform); annual Statement exhibiting the moral and material progress and condition of India
British Thesis Service (http://www.bl.uk/services/document/brittheses.html) – “… run by the British Library and supported by most UK universities – though there are a few significant omissions of research universities from its ranks. The BTS takes copies of printed theses produced by its members, and makes microfilm copies of them for loan or sale via the British Library.” [1]
Index To Theses (http://www.theses.com/ ) – A comprehensive listing of theses with abstracts accepted for higher degrees by universities in Great Britain and Ireland since 1716. There are just under half a million theses in this collection. Access provided by many academic libraries.
British Library Integrated Catalogue (http://catalogue.bl.uk/ ) – Records of British theses held in the British Library collection are included in the ‘Document Supply Material’ section of this catalogue.
1.2 South Asian Sources
INFLIBNET is an autonomous Inter-University Centre of the University Grants Commission (UGC) of India. It includes searchable:
* Books Database
* Serials Database
* Theses Database
Government Archives in South Asia: A guide to National and State Archives in Ceylon, India and Pakistan, ed – D. A. Low, J. C. Iltis, M. D. Wainwright.
1.3 Other Sources
Library of Congress Online Catalog
Dissertation Abstracts Online is a definitive subject, title, and author guide to virtually every American dissertation accepted at an accredited institution since 1861. Selected Masters theses have been included since 1962. In addition, since 1988, the database includes citations for dissertations from 50 British universities that have been collected by and filmed at The British Document Supply Centre. Beginning with DAIC Volume 49, Number 2 (Spring 1988), citations and abstracts from Section C, Worldwide Dissertations (formerly European Dissertations), have been included in the file.
ProQuest Digital Dissertations – key online searchable source. Access provided by many academic libraries.
Project South Asia – Web-based digital library for improving the study and teaching of South Asia
* Political History: Speeches, Letters, and Documents
Indian History Sourcebook
Papers of Sir Percy James Grigg, PC, KCB, KCSI
Tej Bahadur Sapru (1875-1949) his papers
H.R.H. the Duke of Connaught’s Address to the Indian Assembly on its Inauguration, 9 February 1921
School of Oriental and African Studies Library – London
Committee on South Asian Libraries and Documentation
South Asia Libraries in USA
Duke University Library – South Asian Studies (dissertations)
2. Bibliography of Books Articles and Dissertations
3. Wikipedia Articles (main Category – British rule in India)
Akbar
Aligarh Muslim University see also Sir Syed Ahmed Khan
Amritsar Massacre And General Reginald Dyer
First Anglo-Maratha War
B.R. Ambedkar
Anglo-Mysore Wars
Second Anglo-Sikh War
Ashram
Battle of Assaye
Awadh/Oudh
Aurangzeb
Bhagavad Gita
Bahadur Shah Zafar
Bengal famine of 1943
Berar
Black Hole of Calcutta
Bombay Presidency
Subhash Chandra Bose,
British East India Company and Company rule in India
British Indian Army, Military of British India
British Political Parties and Politicians
Conservative Party (see also Diehard Conservatism) – George Nathaniel Curzon, Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound, 4th Earl of Minto; Charles Hardinge, 1st Baron Hardinge of Penshurst; Frederic John Napier Thesiger, 3rd Baron Chelmsford; F. E. Smith, Earl of Birkenhead; Edward Frederick Lindley Wood, 1st Baron Irwin; Stanley Baldwin; Sir Samuel Hoare; Lawrence Dundas, 2nd Marquess of Zetland; Leo Amery; Victor Alexander John Hope, 2nd Marquess of Linlithgow, Lord Lloyd, Winston Churchill
§ Labour – Ramsay MacDonald, Clement Attlee; Sydney Olivier; William Wedgwood Benn (started as a Liberal but was labour when Secretary of State 1929-31); Stafford Cripps
* Frederick Pethick-Lawrence; William Hare, Earl of Listowel
* National Labour – Ramsay MacDonald
* Liberal Party – John Morley; Edwin Samuel Montagu; Rufus Isaacs, 1st Earl of Reading; Sir John Simon; Freeman Freeman-Thomas, 1st Earl of Willingdon
* UK National Government
British rule in India
British Raj
Cabinet Mission
Caste System; Social groups of India; Brahmins; Scheduled Castes and Tribes; Dalit (outcaste); Neo-Buddhism; All-India Scheduled Caste Federation; B.R. Ambedkar
Robert Clive
Commander-in-Chief, India
Constituent Assembly
Cripps Mission
Dominion Status, Balfour Declaration of 1926, Statute of Westminster 1931, responsible government and self-governing colony
Joseph François Dupleix
Emperor of India
All India Forward Bloc
Free Trade
Mahatma Gandhi
Gandhi-Irwin Pact
Government of India Act
§ Government of India Act 1909
* Government of India Act 1919 and Montagu-Chelmsford Reforms; Milner’s Kindergarten; Lionel Curtis (protagonist of Dyarchy used in the 1919 Act – author David Steinberg); Harry Hodson on the Round Table; Edwin S. Montagu speaks to the House of Commons on the Government of India Bill, 5 June 1919
* Government of India Act 1935 (author David Steinberg)
Governor-General of India – Viceroy of India (links to individual biographical information)
Gurkha
Hindu
Allan Octavian Hume
Hyder Ali
Indian Civil Service
Indian independence movement and Indian freedom fighters
Indian National Army and Arzi Hukumate Azad Hind
Indian National Congress and All India Congress Committee
Indian rebellion of 1857
Indian philosophers
Jammu and Kashmir, Instrument of Accession Kashmir and Kashmir Dispute
Jainism
Rudyard Kipling
Kitchener
Rani Lakshmi Bai
Languages and Scripts
1. Languages of India
2. Scripts – Brahmi, Devanagari, Bengali, Nasta’liq (derived from the Arabic alphabet).
Doctrine of Lapse
Lord Lloyd
Lord Lothian – Philip Kerr, 11th Marquess of Lothian
Lucknow Pact
Mohammad Ali Jinnah
Maharaja
Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya
Maratha Empire
Mughal Empire and List of Mughal emperors
Muslim League and Muslim
Nana Sahib
Nawab (includes links to various nawabs)
Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
Motilal Nehru
Nehru Report (author David Steinberg)
New Delhi
Nizam of Hyderabad
Partition of the province of Bengal
Partition of India
Vallabhbhai Patel
Battle of Plassey
Political integration of India
Princely States
Quit India Movement
Rajasthan
Rajputs and Rajputana
Red Fort
Republic of India and Pakistan
Indian Round Table Conferences 1931-1933 (author David Steinberg); Communal Award; Proposed Indian Round Table Conference 1922 (author David Steinberg)
Rowlatt Act
Sanskrit language
States Reorganisation Act
Tej Bahadur Sapru (author David Steinberg)
Valangiman Sankarana-rayana Srinivasa Sastri (author David Steinberg)
Siraj Ud Daulah
Satyagraha; Salt Satyagraha; Quit India Movement
Secretary of State for India (links to individual biographical information), India Office (author David Steinberg) and Under-Secretary of State for India (links to individual biographical information for some of the Permanent Under-Secretaries of State for India )
Sepoy
Sikhism and Sikh
Simon Commission and Sir John Simon
Social Darwinism
Subaltern (post-colonialism) – The Subaltern Studies Group (SSG) or Subaltern Studies Collective are a group of scholars in India, interested in the postcolonial and post-imperial societies of India in particular and the developing world in general. The term Subaltern Studies is sometimes also applied more broadly to others who share many of their views. Their approach is one of history from below, focused more on what happens among the masses at the base levels of society than among the elite. (Web definition_
Suttee
Swadeshi movement
Swaraj
Tatia Tope
Two Nation Theory
Vedic Tradition
Walchand Hirachand
Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquess Wellesley
4. Other Links
Provinces of British India
Library of Congress – India Country Study
Liberal political activity in India over the past 120 years
Sunset on the Raj – India 1945-48
The “Satraps’ Scheme” for Government of India Reform, 15th January, 1919
storyofpakistan.com
Partition of Bengal [1905-1911]
Simla Deputation [1906]
Establishment of All India Muslim League [1906]
Minto-Morley Reforms
The Lucknow Pact [1916]
Montague-Chelmsford Reforms
Khilafat Movement [1919-1924]
Simon Commission [1927]
Delhi Muslim Proposals [1927]
Nehru Report [1928]
All Parties Muslim Conference
Fourteen Points of M. A. Jinnah [1929]
Allahabad Address [1930]
Round Table Conferences [1930-33]
The Communal Award [1932]
Government of India Act 1935
Rule of Congress Ministries [1937-1939]
The Ideology of Pakistan: Two-Nation Theory
Emergence of Gandhiji – National Politics and Its Aftermath
Gandhiji’s Associates in India
Nehru Report – Muslim View
Pandit Motilal Nehru
GovernorGeneral of India
Lord Irwin
Poona Pact
[1] See Electronic Theses and Dissertations: a Strategy for the UK by John MacColl.
COURTESY :http://www.houseofdavid.ca/raj.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE RSS` WEEKLY THE ORGANISER ( 12TH JULY , 2009 ) PUBLISHED THE NEWS BELOW .
IN THIS NEWS THE RSS` INTELLECTUALS DID NOT DISCUSSED THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM IN THE CADRE CAMP WHICH STARTED 7TH JUNE AND CLOSED ON 27TH JUNE , 2009 AT DELHI .
THEY DISCUSSED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE JOINT FAMILIES BUT NOT DISCUSSED TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE / VARNA LIKE FILTHY SYSTEM . WHY NOT ?
THE INDIAN WORLD WILL HAVE TO ADOPT THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM AND EMPHASIZE ON THE INTER CASTE / INTER VARNA AND INTER STATE MARRIAGES TO GET RID OF CASTEISM AND REGIONALISM ETC. !!!!!
– – –
Sangh Samachar
INDIVIDUALISTIC THINKING , ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS – SURESH SONI
RSS Sahsarkaryavah Shri Suresh Soni described the individualistic thinking as the root cause of most of the problems in the world. He said people think only about themselves and not for others. That is why they are trapped in problems. Shri Soni was speaking at the concluding ceremony of second year Sangh Shiksha Varga in Delhi on June 27. A total of 208 shiksharthis from Delhi (60), Haryana (58), Punjab (43), Himachal Pradesh (25), Jammu & Kashmir (9) and 13 swayamsevaks from other Prants, underwent training at the Varga, that began on June 7. The first year Varga concluded the same day at Geeta Bal Bharati School in Shankar Nagar. Uttar Kshetra Sanghachalak Dr Bajranglal Gupt addressed the concluding ceremony of this Varga.
Referring to unique joint family system of Bharat, Shri Soni said if any member in the joint family is trapped in any problem the whole family starts resolving his problem and in this way the problem of one member becomes the problem of the whole family. The world will have to adopt this system any day if it has to get rid of the problems. Shri Soni quoted the speech of US president Barack Obama in which he said if the people of US did not change their life style the people of Bharat would dominate over them.
Dr Bajranglal Gupt said no country could make progress if it does not have power and self-respect. “The day a country losses its svatva and asmita, it soon losses its existence. The objective of all the activities conducted at the shakha every day is to make the country powerful. The RSS is working to materialise the dreams of great personalities of the country for the last 84 years. Since Bharat always worshiped shakti, we need to be fearless and powerful,” he added. A total of 301 swayamsevaks underwent training at the first year Varga. Swami Vichar Jnanananda, managing trustee of Anandpur Sewa Nyas, presided over the function.
COURTESY : http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=299&page=30
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Dear Chumber ji ,
I congratulate you for this link . I checked this link and found it rare .
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 22, 2009 @ 7:14 am
DEAR ADMINISTRATOR JI ,
I AM TRYING MY BEST TO SUPPLY THE VALUABLE RESEARCH LINKS FOR OUR ESTEEMED VIEWERS SO THAT THEY MAY READ AND UTILIZE . THIS IS THE VERY VERY REFERENCE AND SOURCE MATERIAL LINK .i HOPE THAT YOUR GOOD SELF AND THE VIEWERS WILL APPRECIATE THIS RARE LINK . THANKS .
C.L.CHUMBER
British Ruled India (1757-1947 )
by David Steinberg
C.L.CHUMBER said
HE RSS` WEEKLY THE ORGANISER ACCEPTED THE REALITIES IN ITS ISSUE DATED 26TH JULY . 2009 AS BELOW IN A BOOK REVIEW !!!!!-C.L.CHUMBER
UNDERSTANDING BHAKTI ( BOOK TRANSLATED FROM MALYALAM TO ENGLISH )
Puntanam and Melpattur: Two Measures of Bhakti, Vijay Nambisan (translator), Penguin Books, Pp 95, Rs 150.00
– – –
* The Namputiris or Namboodiris are generally supposed to be Aryan Brahmins who settled in Kerala, probably before the Christian era began.
* t is said that between 1575 and 1625, Ramanujan Ezhuttacchan, the father of modern Malayalam, who was from a low-caste Nayar family, gave the best-loved translation of Ramayana and Mahabharata besides reviving the Bhakti tradition.
* While Kabir, Mira, Eknath, Surdas, Nanak, Jnaneswar, Namdeo, Tukaram stormed the north, the Sangam poets, the Vaisnava and Shaiva saints were writing in the south their own Bhakti expressions.
Courtesy : http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=301&page=21
Sukra Charya said
WE CHALLENGE THE EVIL FOLLOWERS OF THE EVIL RELIGION AND ITS EVIL GODS TO COUNTER BABA SAHEB`S RATIONAL FINDINGS WITH REFERENCES !!!!!
Chumber-ji,
Sadly, most of your views are wrong.
1. Dr.Ambedkar is a human being – not a God. So he is bound to be wrong on some occasions. There are many views that are critical of Ambedkar. Have you ever read those views?
2. Hindu society cannot be criminal, just because you say so. You have refused to provide any evidence. So, other than repeating the same thing like a broken doll, does not mean much.
3. As regards Bhagat Singh – I gave you detailed answer on ….. Please don’t malign Bhagat Singh by bring him into this argument. He deserves better.
4. Also, you say, “SHAHID BHAGAT SINGH ONCE WROTE THAT THE BIG STATES CAN BE DESTROYED BUT THE THOUGHTS COULD BE COUNTERED BY THE THOUGHTS ONLY !!!!!.”. But Chumber-ji, you don’t want to destroy thoughts. You actually WANT TO KILL PEOPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
So, others are only REACTING to what you said. Maybe, if you are polite, others will be polite too.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Is India a Failed State? The chimera and the facts of slick marketing schemes by “India Inc.”
# India as World Power 1
# Superpower India Pt 2
# India’s budget– fit for a superpower
# Murder of 10 million Indian girl babies:Before or right after birth. The media is silent.
# India Balkanizing? Naxalite insurrection widening cracks in deep cavaties
# India: 3500-yrs of massacres of Dalit-Sudra Blacks by Arya-Brahmins
# Sudra Holocaust: Genocide of 1 million Dalits in India since 1947: About three million Dalit women have been raped and around one million Dalits killed from the time of Independence. This is 25 times more than number of soldiers killed during the wars fought after independence. That is why Dalits do not need Aryan culture or Hindu Dharma based on caste any more. …” [Dr. Tulsiram]
# All Dalits want to convert to Islam & build Muslim-untouchable alliance
COURTESY : http://rupeenews.com/2008/05/29/amnesty-int-2008-report-excoriates-horrid-india/
rajashekar said
Hi Chumber,
I am not going to ask you for clarification or sit typing various arguments citing various issues admitted by you under various lead heads in this blog. It is just not possible for you to come up with any logical thoughts forget about any ethical thoughts. So it is not logical and also ethical on my part to expect any such improvement on your part. Just leave it their.
So what I am trying to clarify here is that no one cares if dalits are converted to Islam or Christianity or any other religion that suits ones’ own convenience. Why only Dalits , any body for that matter, converting oneself from their present religion to any other religion, not necessarily dalits. It does not and should not make any difference or become a matter of concern .
In this independent secular country , religion and faith is not imposed but adopted in good faith and belief and rationally followed and practiced.
Only thing is that you have to prepare your dalits to have patience to put themselves into a prolonged and end less embarrassing situation that may come up during the course of evolution of the new found religion by you with the add on population and undergo insult ,humiliation at a later stage in any case since once gain those converted to other religion are being identified as Dalits only , like Dalit Muslim or Dalit Christian etc and not as the Original Muslims or Christians and therefore the treatment may be much worse if your argument is that you are ill treated by Hindus as per your admission and being treated in a moderately tolerable fashion by other religion .
Your conversion may only add to create another SUB CASTE with in those religion to which you convert and nothing more than that. Of course abundant population added in and to those religion.
At any point of stage you are hell bent by yourself to identify f with the existing and well evolved religion rather than developing your own path of wisdom to develop and create your own religion. I agree that perhaps you have not reached and attained such a very high intellectual level of wisdom to have one on your own. Is not that so?? WON’T IT SOUND LIKE THAT ??
You convert yourself to any religion you are tagged with that word Dalit. Because unless you identify yourself as a Dalit you are deprived of all those comforts and pampers that you get from the Indian Government. SO how and what mass conversions make difference you think. Of course do not consider this point of view as my way of asking you to remain in Hinduism if you think you are still in it.
Therefore, the only WAY that you shall FOLLOW to come out of the Dalit bracket is not by mass conversions or by indulging in propagation of lies and anti Hindu philosophy but by refusing the freebies and comforts given away by Indian Government under the reservation category and also by competing independently like any other community that does not fall under those reservation category . Other wise you people will keep on crying continuously for every thing that is not at YOUR reach for capabilities that you exhibit even after one million year but avenge to enjoy all those worldly benefits at some body’s cost and hard work. And still abuse them and advocate to kill them or virtually blackmail them for a forced marriage, instead of showing your gratitude to those community for accommodating you and scarifying their rights for the merits they secure for your own benefit under humanitarian consideration. Does it not look like that ??
ANY THING TO SAY FROM YOUR SIDE MR.CHUMBER
PS: PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THOSE WORDS – YOU,YOURSELF PERSONALLY. IT IS ONLY TO ADDRESS YOU .
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 26, 2009 @ 1:46 pm
Is India a Failed State? The chimera and the facts of slick marketing schemes by “India Inc.”
# India as World Power 1
# Superpower India Pt 2
# India’s budget– fit for a superpower
# Murder of 10 million Indian girl babies:Before or right after birth. The media is silent.
# India Balkanizing? Naxalite insurrection widening cracks in deep cavaties
# India: 3500-yrs of massacres of Dalit-Sudra Blacks by Arya-Brahmins
# Sudra Holocaust: Genocide of 1 million Dalits in India since 1947: About three million Dalit women have been raped and around one million Dalits killed from the time of Independence. This is 25 times more than number of soldiers killed during the wars fought after independence. That is why Dalits do not need Aryan culture or Hindu Dharma based on caste any more. …” [Dr. Tulsiram]
# All Dalits want to convert to Islam & build Muslim-untouchable alliance
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE FOLLOWERS , DEFENDERS OF EVIL GODS CAN NEVER BE RIGHT !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 23, 2009 @ 9:54 pm
Chumber-ji,
Sadly, most of your views are wrong.
C.L.CHUMBER said
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS FAR BETTER THAN YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .
DR. AMBEDKAR ACHIEVED THE CONSTITUTIONAL GOAL OF EQUALITY , LIBERTY , FRATERNITY AND JUSTICE TO EACH INDIA CITIZENS !!!!!
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS MODERN GOD
WHO THROWN THE EVIL GODS AND THEIR CASTE / VARNA SYSTEM IN THE GUTTER CONSTITUTIONALLY !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 23, 2009 @ 3:54 pm
1. Dr.Ambedkar is a human being – not a God. So he is bound to be wrong on some occasions.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Chumber is doing dialogue but the others are abusing him . They have nothing to say except abusing and blaming . They have not a single argument in defense of their Gods .
Mr. Rajashekar friend of Mr. Shukra Charya threatened Mr. Chumber to kill him mercilessly . But no one including Mr. Shukra Charya condemned Mr. Rajashekar `s threatening .
Mr. Chumber is polite but the others are not . I condemn their threatening strongly and urge the administrator of this blog to register complaint against Mr. Rajashekar . .
Sukra Charya said
July 23, 2009 @ 9:54 pm
But Chumber-ji, you don’t want to destroy thoughts. You actually WANT TO KILL PEOPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
So, others are only REACTING to what you said. Maybe, if you are polite, others will be polite too.
ToAStupidFellow said
Mr. Chumber is polite but the others are not . I condemn their threatening strongly and urge the administrator of this blog to register complaint against Mr. Rajashekar . .
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Yes, I too am interested to know who is the guy maintaining this blog by writing such stupid articles. It will be great if he files a case. Please bring Chumber to court. Let the court decide if that lunatic is polite or not.
Kumarpushp said
you go and ask your mother who is your father because you donot have any name,take your ass off from this blog.
rajashekar said
Hi Mr. Ramakrishan Sharma,
How are you and where were you all these days ?
Any way I appreciate your unconditional support to Mr. Chumber. Well all seems to be going on as usual with you.
I noted the contention of your writing addressing Mr. Sukra Charya wherein you accused me of threatening to kill Mr. chumber . Going by your accusation it appears and looks more like you are eating only grass and also smoking lot of grass or you are always in a drunken status that is why you are writing some thing not happened at all. Or you are suffering from a phobia , a disease basically related to mental health. In both cases I strongly advise you to immediately approach a good doctor to over come your pitiable condition.
And if you deny my diagnose then YOU CAN BE DECLARED AS A PROFOUND LIAR OFFICIALLY FOR ALL THE LIES YOU COME UP YOU RUTHLESS CROOK. When are you going to stop sucking Mr. Chumber’s thumb. He has never asked you to intervene in his matter , is not it ?? Or is my guessing true ?? !!!!. I do not think that he is such a week minded person that he looks up to you for any support who is weaker than him.
You state that Mr. Rajashekar friend of Mr. Shukra Charya threatened Mr. Chumber to kill him mercilessly .
When did I threaten to kill Mr. Chumber. Produce any evidence you have. Going by what you state I can only treat you as an illiterate drunken liar and nothing less than that.
STOP MAKING BASELESS ACCUSATIONS AND REMARKS YOU DIRTY LICKER.
I am not only Mr.Sukra Charya’s friend but every body’s friend including you and Mr. Chumber unless you people decide to treat me like your enemy. All these / those writings on your postings as well chumber’s in this blog are not meant to show my hostility but to mend your mind to think in a positive way. Of course it may look like a marvelous joke but never mind.
Take note of the following statement : But no one including Mr. Shukra Charya condemned Mr. Rajashekar `s threatening .
How can any one condemn a person with out any of his culpable act and indulgence in any anti social activity like the one you indulged now by your shameless allegation against me .
I can only conclude that your said allegation is only to prevent me and not only me but even Mr. Sukra Charya , from participating and continuing in e-dialogue with this blog since Mr. Chumber has miserably failed in providing proper justification other than those fictitious , un realistic and ridiculous in support of his views and comments apart from being unable to provide proper clarification on what has been questioned . This will not only expose his inability but also expose the degree of competency that he command in reasoning Mr. RK Sharma.
I can understand his utter failure in his ( Chumber’s) mission.
But it is not necessary for some one like you ( on Chumber’s advise , I guess) , not having any sharable knowledge and the required primary qualities to participate in these e-dialogues , to threaten me with dire consequences that I may face on registration of complaint . Urging this Blog’s administrator to take the matter up is childish and only proves the level of your maturity and shall not either stop me or Mr. Sukra Charya from participating in this e-dialogue as long as the administrator of this blog ban us permanently in support of stupid people like you.
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEAN. IF NOT UNDERSTOOD PLEASE STOP TRESS PASSING THIS BLOG AT ONCE AND START SUCKING LOLLYPOP
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
July 28, 2009 @ 3:06 am
Mr. Chumber is doing dialogue but the others are abusing him . They have nothing to say except abusing and blaming . They have not a argument in defense of their Gods .
Mr. Rajashekar friend of Mr. Shukra Charya threatened Mr. Chumber to kill him mercilessly . But no one including Mr. Shukra Charya condemned Mr. Rajashekar `s threatening .
Mr. Chumber is polite but the others are not . I condemn their threatening strongly and urge the administrator of this blog to register complaint against Mr. Rajashekar . .
Sukra Charya said
July 23, 2009 @ 9:54 pm
But Chumber-ji, you don’t want to destroy thoughts. You actually WANT TO KILL PEOPLE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
So, others are only REACTING to what you said. Maybe, if you are polite, others will be polite too.
Sukra Charya said
DR. AMBEDKAR WAS FAR BETTER THAN YOUR RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST GODS .
Ambedkar was a human being. Perhaps he was wrong, not on one count, but many counts. If you worship him, others may laugh at you. But no one will stop you from worshipping him. That is your right.
Most of the people on this forum have only asked you to return that courtesy.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THE PERSON , WHO THREATENED TO KILL ME MERCILESSILY , DO NOT HAVE EVEN A WORD OF SYMPATHY FOR THOSE INDIAN CITIZENS WHO WERE BURNT ALIVE WITH THE HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT MACHINERY IN NOVEMBER , 1984 AT DELHI , KANPUR AND BOKARO ETC .
THE FOLLOWERS OF THE FASCIST GODS CAN NOT SHOW SYMPATHY FOR THE HUMANITY !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
“Prime minister, permit me to make one thing clear. The depressed classes are not anxious, they are not clamorous, they have not started any movement for claiming that there shall be an immediate transfer of power from the British to the Indian people….”.
This is from “Worshipping False Gods” – a book by Arun Shourie. Mr.Shourie, is an extraordinary scholar, with many books to his credit. This book provides a different view of Ambedkar. This one is certainly purchasing.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Rajashekar ,
Can not you talk in a sober manner ? You call me foolish . But I can neither say you fool nor flower . You are all actually addicted to abuses and blames .
You wrote ,” I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note. ” This is true that you all are abusing , blaming , threatening even to kill Mr. Chumber in frustration as you have nothing to answer Mr. Chumber . I think that you called me foolish also in frustration .
As far Mr. Chumber`s remarks for Rajghat , he said that if the Supreme Court of India would give a judgement to dismantle the statues of the Dalit icons , then the Dalits would go to the Supreeme Court against the non-dalit icons` monuments , museums which were also built by the public money . What is wrong in it ? When the crores and crore of Indian live in the slums , a few burnt bodies live in many hundred acres at Rajghat ! Is this natural justice ?
You blamed ,” Since you started on his behalf now you don’t stop here. Continue with your further comments or stop straying around here as and when you feel the ground is strong..” I have replied to you well without abusing you . Mr. Chumber is my favourite writer , he is not the stooge of the manuwadi system like other dalits . I also like him because he never looses temper and counter you all abusers with patience . Is it not true ?
rajashekar said
July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Hi Ram Krishan Sharma,
You are foolish enough to interpret the way convenient for you to put it across with out reading between the lines. And how many times Chumber has made typical comments like that and where were you at that time with out making your protest. I made that comment only to exhibit my frustration and not to threaten him. Please note.
And as a citizen of this India do you think and endorse Chumber’s opinion that raj ghat where our Indian leaders are put to eternal rest should be pulled out of their grave to accommodate the dalits to inhabit throwing the dignity of this country into thin air.
Since you started on his behalf now you don’t stop here. Continue with your further comments or stop straying around here as and when you feel the ground is strong.
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
July 28, 2009 @ 3:45 am
Mr. Chumber is doing dialogue but the others are abusing him . They have nothing to say except abusing and blaming . They have not a single argument in defense of their Gods .
Mr. Rajashekar friend of Mr. Shukra Charya threatened Mr. Chumber to kill him mercilessly . But no one including Mr. Shukra Charya condemned Mr. Rajashekar `s threatening .
Mr. Chumber is polite but the others are not . I condemn their threatening strongly and urge the administrator of this blog to register complaint against Mr. Rajashekar . .
C . L . CHUMBER said
July 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
MR. RAJSHEKAR RIGHTLY WROTE AS BELOW :
* YOU SHOULD BE SENT TO GALLOWS AT ONCE WITHOUT SHOWING ANY MERCY FOR ALL YOUR SINS COMMITTED IN THIS BLOG .- a commanding brahmin.
** I AM BANKRUPT FOR THE PHRASE OF WORDS AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY TO WRITE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS ABOUT DRAGGING THE SUPREME COURT OF THIS COUNTRY INTO THIS MATTER .
rajashekar said
July 8, 2009 @ 11:22 am
Mr. Chumber,
C.L.CHUMBER said
BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS WERE ALSO HUMAN BEINGS !!!!!
BUT AMBEDKAR WAS NOT A RAPIST , RACIST AND FASCIST LIKE BRAHMA , VISHANU AND THEIR INCARNATIONS !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 28, 2009 @ 10:57 am
Ambedkar was a human being.
C.L.CHUMBER said
FEW YEARS AGO , THE RSS ORGANIZED A SEMINAR IN WHICH THEY DECLARED THE FIVE ENEMIES OF THE HINDU RASHTRA AS BELOW :
1 . SCs / STs / OBCs
2. RELIGIOUS MINORITIES .
3. FEMINISTS
4. COMMUNISTS
5.SECULARISTS .
MR. ARUN SHOURIE`S DUTY IS TO WRITE AGAINST THESE FIVE ENEMIES OF THE HINDU RASHTRA !!!!!
HE WROTE “Worshipping False Gods ” TO DEFAME DR. AMBEDKAR .
MR. ARUN SHOURIES ` GODS ARE THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS . I HAVE PURCHASED A COMPLETE SET OF HIS BOOKS .
WE CHALENGE MR. ARUN SHOURIE ” an extraordinary scholar ” TO PROVE HIS GODS ETHICALLLY CORRECT !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
July 30, 2009 @ 12:35 am
“Prime minister, permit me to make one thing clear. The depressed classes are not anxious, they are not clamorous, they have not started any movement for claiming that there shall be an immediate transfer of power from the British to the Indian people….”.
This is from “Worshipping False Gods” – a book by Arun Shourie. Mr.Shourie, is an extraordinary scholar, with many books to his credit. This book provides a different view of Ambedkar. This one is certainly purchasing.
Sukra Charya said
“A FEW YEARS AGO , THE RSS ORGANIZED A SEMINAR IN ..”.
Do you have any documents? Any evidence? Or is this another misguided attack on a group that you do not like?
Sukra Charya said
“..HE WROTE “Worshipping False Gods ” TO DEFAME DR. AMBEDKAR..”.
OK. Are you saying that Ambedkar DID NOT say these words? This is a “YES” or “NO” question – so a simple “YES” or “NO” will suffice.
C.L.CHUMBER said
WHERE`S SECULARISM , ASKS EMRAAN AFTER BEING DENIED HOUSE !!!!!
IANS 31 July 2009, 02:10pm IST
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MUMBAI: “Am I a criminal or a terrorist?” asked an upset Emraan Hashmi on Friday. The Bollywood actor alleged he had been denied a house he wanted Bollywood actor Emraan Hashmi and director Mahesh Bhatt at a press conference after Emraan said a housing society denied him a No Objection Certificate, in Juhu on Friday. (PTI Photo)
to buy in the upmarket Pali Hill area of Mumbai because he was Muslim. ( Watch )
The actor, who was not given a no-objection certificate (NOC), believes the housing society in Pali Hill was hiding the real reason for its refusal.
“This has political connotations, so they don’t want to talk about it openly. Yesterday (Thursday), they told me that I can’t get the NOC. I asked them why aren’t you giving me the certificate — am I a criminal, or a terrorist or have I done anything illegal?” Emraan told reporters here with his uncle and well-known filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt by his side.
“It is strange that they don’t tell you on your face that you can’t get a house because you are a Muslim. It would have been easier if they would have told me openly. What they told me is that they can’t allow me to live there because I am a serial kisser and my presence will have a bad influence on the children staying there.
“Being a celebrity if I’m facing problems in buying a house here, I wonder what kind of problems others would have been facing. All the time we are talking about secularism but with such incidents what secularism are people talking about?” asked the actor.
Emraan said someone suggested to him that he purchase the house in the name of his wife Parveen, who is a Hindu. “I can do that, but why should I do that?” he asked.
Bhatt said such discrimination was a serious problem plaguing the country.
“Even 62 years after independence, the virus of communalism is alive in an area like Pali Hill, which is known as India’s Beverly Hills where stars like Sunil Dutt lived and Dilip Kumar is still living there. It’s a serious problem and is the country ready to accept that communalism is still surviving?” he said.
“There are also certain societies in the area that do not give NOCs to non-Hindus,” he said.
Emraan, who featured in films like “Murder”, “Gangster – A Love Story”, wanted to buy a house in Pali Hill so that he could stay close to his parents, but the actor was refused the NOC by Pali Hill’s Nibbana Cooperative Society.
He has filed a complaint with the State Minorities’ Commission, demanding action against the society members. The society reportedly has mostly Hindus and a couple of Catholic families.
This is not the first time Hashmi has faced such a problem.
“I faced a similar situation in August 2007, when I was looking for a house in the same area; residents and brokers told me I would not be able to get a house because I was a Muslim. But I later managed to get one,” Emraan told a newspaper Thursday.
Earlier Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar had faced problems in getting a house in Juhu and TV actor Aamir Khan filed a litigation after being refused a house in Lokhandwala.
COURTESY :http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Mumbai/Wheres-secularism-asks-Emraan-after-being-denied-house/articleshow/4841509.cms
Sukra Charya said
“WHERE`S SECULARISM , ASKS EMRAAN AFTER BEING DENIED HOUSE !!!!!”.
It is exactly where it was before the question was raised. Right in front of us. Secularism does NOT guarantee a house. Simply being a Muslim does not give anyone special privileges. Also, in all probability, many Hindus have been refused too, IN THE SAME PLACE.
Many will not support Shabana Azmi, because of her leftist, anti-national stance. At one time, she spear-headed a movement to prevent a national-ID program. (That program seems to have been re-started now). But if it had been implemented before, many terrorist attacks could have been prevented. In a sense, one has to hold Shabana Azmi responsible.
That said, why would ANYONE give Shabana Azmi a house?
C.L.CHUMBER said
I sent this a condolence message to Mr. Hardev Banger , Canada on her mother`s demise . I hope this will be interesting for viewers . Thanks.
RAJ KAUR BANGER WILL BE ALIVE FOR EVER BY HER DESCENDANTS ` VIRTUES !!!!!
I am very much sad to know the demise of general secretary of Indian Buddhist Society , Toranto , Canada Mr. Hardev Banger`s mother Mata ji Raj Kaur Banger ( December 4 , 1915 – July 22 , 2009 ) from the www. ambedkartimes.com and Mr. Raj Kumar Oshoraj of Canada . There is no substitute of mother . A mother`s children are portraits of herself . Our mothers gave births to us and take care of us even at the fag end of their lives . That is why Punjab`s dalit folk singer Mr. Kuldip Manak recorded a song in Punjabi ” Maan hundi e maan dunia walio “. Mr. Manak sent a natural message that the world must realize that there is no substitute of mother . His song was very familiar in Punjab in the seventh decade of 20th century . Our younger brother Mr. Ravi Kumar was so much impressed by this song that he used to sing this song in a very decent voice like Mr. Manak . We often at night requested him to sing that song . This song united us under our mother `s leadership after the death of our revered father Mr. Punjab Rai Chumber , M.A . ( Eco ) , Diploma in Russian .
All the mothers love their children very much . Even at one stage they love their children even more than their husbands . This is due to their emotions that their children rested for nine months in their wombs . Many mothers die at the time of delivery . Every mother takes a risk to her life from the conception of her child to delivery . Every mother dares to give birth to another child ! Our mothers are better than our Gods ! Mothers gave births to Gods , Gurus , Saints , warriors , journalists , scientists and statesmen ! That is why a revolutionary Indian thinker late Acharya Rajnish said , ” The moment a child is born , the mother is also born . She never exited before . The woman existed , but the mother , never . A mother is something absolutely new .”
Once a warrior died in the battle field . His dead body was brought at home . All the relatives and friends were in shock and were weeping bitterly . But his wife was not weeping . This was very dangerous position for her life . A wise person suggested to bring her child . When she saw her child , she started weeping loudly . I imagine that even the mothers weep on their own deaths by thinking that who will care for her children and their fathers ! That is why Buddha advised us , ” Love the whole world as a mother loves her only child .”
We all are aggrieved on the sad demise of Mr. Hardev Banger`s mother and pay our last respect to her . Let us follow the path of our aboriginal Indian forefathers .
ANITA GUPTA said
I appreciate Mr. C.L.Chumber`s views on the mother which reflects that he is a staunch feminist . Our constitution consider women equal to men .
C.L.CHUMBER said
August 1, 2009 @ 8:36 pm
There is no substitute of mother . A mother`s children are portraits of herself . Our mothers gave births to us and take care of us even at the fag end of their lives .
All the mothers love their children very much . Even at one stage they love their children even more than their husbands . This is due to their emotions that their children rested for nine months in their wombs . Many mothers die at the time of delivery . Every mother takes a risk to her life from the conception of her child to delivery . Every mother dares to give birth to another child ! Our mothers are better than our Gods ! Mothers gave births to Gods , Gurus , Saints , warriors , journalists , scientists and statesmen ! That is why a revolutionary Indian thinker late Acharya Rajnish said , ” The moment a child is born , the mother is also born . She never exited before . The woman existed , but the mother , never . A mother is something absolutely new .”
Once a warrior died in the battle field . His dead body was brought at home . All the relatives and friends were in shock and were weeping bitterly . But his wife was not weeping . This was very dangerous position for her life . A wise person suggested to bring her child . When she saw her child , she started weeping loudly . I imagine that even the mothers weep on their own deaths by thinking that who will care for her children and their fathers ! That is why Buddha advised us , ” Love the whole world as a mother loves her only child .”
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE INDIAN STATES AND CENTRE GOVERNMENTS ARE SPONSORING SCAMS !!!!!
A Tribune Exclusive
Telecom scam may have cost govt Rs 20,000 cr
Swati Chaturvedi
New Delhi, August 3
It can only be described as the “great telecom rip-off” which may have cost the tax-payer a minimum of Rs 20,000 crores according to a top official of the Telecom Regulatory Authority conversant with the scam.
While the controversial DMK-nominated minister, Mr A Raja, is under concerted attack, his predecessors in the ministry under different governments, also share the blame as an investigation by the Tribune reveals.
Consider the following which lays bare the scam.
n Instead of auctioning scarce and precious spectrum, which is the world-wide practice, Mr Raja chose to go for a grossly undervalued licence fee of Rs 1,650 crores. Companies awarded the licence for 2g spectrum then proceeded to avail of the FDI policy in the sector to off-load 50 per cent to 74 per cent of their shares to foreign collaborators to make a killing as valuation jumped from Rs 1,650 crores to anywhere between Rs 9,000 to Rs 10,000 crores.
n Documents available with The Tribune prove that last year Unitech and Swan, after getting the licence at Rs 1.651 crores each ?sold stakes to foreign partners at a huge premium. Unitech sold 67 per cent for Rs. 6120 crores to Norway’s Telenor and Swan Telecom sold 45 per cent to Emirates telecommunications Corporation (ETISALAT).
n TRAI cried foul over the alleged under-valuation of radio frequency and stated in no uncertain terms “our recommendation has not been followed.”
Effectively what Mr Raja did was hide behind decisions of previous telecom ministers such as Mr Ram Vilas Paswan, Mr Pramod Mahajan, Mr Arun Shourie in the NDA government and then Mr Dayanidhi Maran in the UPA government. He justified the low licence fee by claiming it had been capped in 2001.
Questions arise that if in 2007 Mr Raja had taken the decision to give the licence without capping, how much should the government have charged ?
The other important question is whether the price of spectrum should be based on a market-based mechanism, which is the world wide norm, and recommended or approved by TRAI or should it be administered by the whims and fancies of the minister?
Despite several attempts, Mr Raja refused to comment on the issue to The Tribune. The Opposition has already described it as a monumental scam and demanded a joint parliamentary committee to be appointed to enquire into it.
It may be recalled, as first reported by The Tribune that 100 MPs across party lines have asked the Prime Minister through a memorandum to investigate the matter. The delegation was assured by the PM that he would examine the matter.
Meanwhile, Mr Raja continues to face an uncertain future as sources reveal that a special emissary from the Congress party will visit Chennai to ask DMK supremo Karunanidhi to nominate another minister. This is likely after the current Parliament session which adjourns on August 6.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090804/main2.htm
Sukra Charya said
“I appreciate Mr. C.L.Chumber`s views on the mother which reflects that he is a staunch feminist . Our constitution consider women equal to men .”.
Alas! There are others who have a different opinion.
They feel, “..dalits have to keep knives ready to stab the bharat mata,s Uterus so she would not delivered any hindus in future ,we have to kill hindus in the womb itself..”. A most barbaric stance I thought.
That posting is by one of Mr.Chumber’s most loyal followers:
KUMARPUSHP said
July 11, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
What do think of such sentiments?
Sukra Charya said
This message was directed to the person named ANITA GUPTA.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Can you deny that RSS and its off shoots are against the following cates / classes ?
1 . SCs / STs / OBCs
2. RELIGIOUS MINORITIES .
3. FEMINISTS
4. COMMUNISTS
5.SECULARISTS .
I can supply you the news etc . but you can not condemn because you are established manuwadi !!!!!
Sukra Charya said
August 4, 2009 @ 10:39 am
“A FEW YEARS AGO , THE RSS ORGANIZED A SEMINAR IN ..”.
Do you have any documents? Any evidence? Or is this another misguided attack on a group that you do not like?
Sukra Charya said
RSS being against Communists?
Who isn’t ? Who isn’t against the communists?
The Communist Party of India was formed in Moscow by Josef Stalin. During the 1962 war with the Chinese, the Communist Party of India (CPI) called Pandit Nehru – “the running dog of Western Imperialism”. Most probably, that was the last straw for the PM Nehru – and he had died early. Nehru was never insulted like this before. And no PM of India deserves this treatment.
Not to be outdone, Mr.E.M.S. Namboodripad, the CM of Kerala and a member of CPI(M), told the Western papers “We shall go from coalition to coalition, and WE WILL BREAK THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION FROM WITHIN”.
Here is the proof that the Communist Party is anti-India. And you are FOR the Communist Party?
—
On a closing note here is my evidence – where is YOURS?
Sukra Charya said
RSS being against Communists?
Who isn’t ? Who isn’t against the communists?
The Communist Party of India was formed in Moscow by Josef Stalin. During the 1962 war with the Chinese, the Communist Party of India (CPI) called Pandit Nehru – “the running dog of Western Imperialism”. Most probably, that was the last straw for the PM Nehru – and he had died early. Nehru was never insulted like this before. And no PM of India deserves this treatment.
Not to be outdone, Mr.E.M.S. Namboodripad, the CM of Kerala and a member of CPI(M), told the Western papers “We shall go from coalition to coalition, and WE WILL BREAK THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION FROM WITHIN”.
So you are FOR the Communist Party?
—
On a closing note here is my evidence – where is YOURS?
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
Mr. Chumber established himself that he was a deadly against the religious , social and monetary corruptions . We must appreciate him who rise the voice against the religious , social and monetary corruptions .
Some people have nothing in this blog except abusing , blaming and threatening to kill the writers like Mr. Chumber .
C . L . CHUMBER said
August 4, 2009 @ 3:14 pm
THE INDIAN STATES AND CENTRE GOVERNMENTS ARE SPONSORING SCAMS !!!!!
ANITA GUPTA said
Dear Shukracharya ji ,
I read your most sexy writing in this blog which shows the sickness of your mind . I also read the treatening by your fast friend Mr. Rajashekar to kill Mr. Chumber mercilessely . You did not condemn Mr. Rajashekar . Why ?
I also read that one of you baseless blamed that Mr. Ram Karishan Sharma is a Pakistani agent and you also baseless blamed that Mr. Sharma always wrote ” kill , kill “. Mr. Sharma asked you where did he wrote to kill others . But you kept mum . Why ? Another person endorsed the views that Mr. Sharma is truely an agent of Pakistan . What do you think that people have no memory ?
ToAStupidFellow said
Don’t allege crap Chumber. Provide the post where shukracharya and rajahsekhar have posted any such thing.
And its funny that you are using a woman’s name now (anita gupta after trying Ram kraishan sharma). But you are a bigger coward than any woman.
If you are a man, go file a case in the nearest police station and come to court and prove all your allegations.
ANITA GUPTA said
I hereby reproduce ( Mr. Sukra Charya said August 1, 2009 @ 10:11 pm ) in which Mr. Shukracharya blamed ” Mr. Rajasekhar,Most certainly, Sharma-ji is not an Indian. Quite possibly a Pakistani militant. With him its always, “Kill, kill, kill”.
Mr. Ram Karishan Sharma ( August 3, 2009 @ 6:34 pm ) asked , Where did I threaten to kill any body ? All our dialogue is on the record !
Mr. Shukracharya ! you adressed Mr. Rajashekar . He is a criminal who threatened to kill Mr. Chumber and confessed to me in writing in this blog that he threatened to Mr. chumber in frustration !
The criminals blame others ! I am an Indian moderate . You are the Hindu Rastra terrorists ! is it not true ? ”
Mr. Shukracharya kept mum . But Mr. Rajashekar , an irresponsible person came in defence of Mr. Shukrachary by endorsing his baseless blames on Mr. Sharma . He wrote (rajashekar said August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am ) Mr.Sukracharya,
I agree with you .”
I request the administrator of this blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com to check these irresponsible persons and register FIR against them as this blog should not be unethical and illegal persons to defame the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com by abusing , baseless blaming and threatening to kill the writers of this blog .
RAM KARISHAN SHARMA said
August 3, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
Where did I threaten to kill any body ? All our dialogue is on the record !
Mr. Shukracharya ! you adressed Mr. Rajashekar . He is a criminal who threatened to kill Mr. Chumber and confessed to me in writing in this blog that he threatened to Mr. chumber in frustration !
The criminals blame others ! I am an Indian moderate . You are the Hindu Rastra terrorists ! is it not true ?
Sukra Charya said
August 1, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
Mr. Rajasekhar,
Most certainly, Sharma-ji is not an Indian. Quite possibly a Pakistani militant. With him its always, “Kill, kill, kill”.
rajashekar said
August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am
Mr.Sukracharya,
I agree with you
Sukra Charya said
August 1, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
Mr. Rajasekhar,
Most certainly, Sharma-ji is not an Indian. Quite possibly a Pakistani militant. With him its always, “Kill, kill, kill”.
ToAStupidFellow said
Anita Gupta@Chumber@Ram Karishan Sharma,
If you are so insecure and feeling vindicated, go and FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW and prove in court that others have threatened to kill you. Chumber is the only person who has openly threatened to shoot people on this blog. So GO AND FILE A CASE RIGHT NOW and come to court and prove your allegations. Chumber, If you are a man, file a case right now.
Sukra Charya said
To the person named ANITA GUPTA,
“All our dialogue is on the record !”
Actually no. You may not be able to see the dialogue, because many the more offensive comments have been removed. I reproduce one such comment below. It was sent by Mr.Chumber, when I told him that being “gay” was a medical condition.
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Sukra Charya said
July 15, 2009 @ 9:18 pm
“HINDU SCRIPTS DESCRIBE THE HOMOSEXUAL CONDITION TO BE A ” BIOLOGICAL ONE ” !!!!!”.
Yes, the homosexual “condition” IS a biological one. Even the specific genes in the DNA that cause this has been identified. Why is this a problem?
—
Chumber’s response on July 16, 2009 @ 8:38 am
THEN ENJOY AND BE HAPPY !!!!!
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I will reproduce here my response:
No, Mr.Chumber, I am not gay.
In any case, neither the gay community NOR the scientists who were investigating, were waiting for your certification or your satisfaction.
Just wanted you to know.
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Rakesh said
I hardly see any caste based discrimination in my school, college, university, public hospitals (at least in cities). I never thought that caste attracts such fervent, passionate debate as witnessed in this page. In fact I am surprised. Websites like these promote hatred, discrimination and oppression and hence I sincerely request the author to withdraw the post.
I am born hindu, an agnostic by choice, and don’t believe in any silly caste / religion based discrimination.
I only have one thing to say. Don’t cling to the past. Live in the present. Stop blaming each other. My own as well as your own ancestors might have committed many blunders (knowingly or unknowingly). Human-beings EVOLVE. For example, there was this oppressive caste system being practiced before independence. We have all agreed to abolish that and moved on. Why do you people still whine about those things which happened before 7 decades ?
This one Mr. Chumber especially comes across to me as a pseudo intellectual who read up nothing other than those filthy pamphlets full of hateful political propaganda against so called “upper” castes in the name of social justice. You claim to own a personal library of 10,000 volumes and still whinge about caste based oppression ? To think that all those 10,000 volumes should be wasted on such a knuckle head as you is so sad. Better donate your books to some orphanage or disadvantaged school where they can be put to good use. Your poor language, grammar, reasoning, intellect, spirit of debate is a glaring example of the failure of our reservation system. So many Government funds wasted on your education! sigh.
kalbairav said
To all the sensible guys out here.
This fellow chumber seems to be a adamant person and not going to mend his ways and will continue to be an aberration.
I believe sensible persons should not waste their time when they know that a guy is acting ignorant simply to waste other time.
I am sure Chumber knows that he cannot and does not have answers to sensible people. I am most pained by his perverted views about Ambdekar’s love for savita being caste motivated and with ulterior motives. He is only concerned about R*PE and cannot understand anything else.
I am not for a moment telling chumber is bad. I believe he has the right to do what he wants. However, I only feel that a lot of resource is being wasted in trying to convince an apparantly incorrigible person.
You may consider ignoring views of chumber and chumber like people
Thank you for your patience
C . L . CHUMBER said
DEAR INDIANS ,
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY THIS WRITING WHICH CONFIRMS THAT OUR PMs ARE STOOGES OF THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND THE BRAHMINISM !!!!!
IS OUR COUNTRY A REPUBLIC COUNTRY ?
Indian Shuakat Aziz and Pakistani Manmohan Singh
BY
Shahnawaz Farooqui February 16, 2007
Tags: Kargil , Manmohan Singh , India , Shaukat Aziz , indo-pak , dispute , resolution
In one of his recent articles, India’s famous journalist, Mr. M. J. Akbar has unveiled an open secret. Writing with reference to ‘A Prattler’s Tale: Bengal, Marxism and Governance’ a book by India’srenowned intellectual and economist, Dr. Ashok Mitra, he has revealed that Dr. Manmohan Singh is in fact India’s ‘Shuakat Aziz’; i.e., a Washington’s man; i.e., a man sponsored by the World Bank and IMF.
The details of this news as reported by Mr. Akbar are both interesting, sensational and awful. It was the year of 1991. Mr. Narasimha Rao was the Prime Minister of India. The country’s economy was in real crises and the foreign exchange reserves had reached such an ebb that there were available only 15 days funds for imports.
Right at that time Washington offered Narasimha Rao to hold ‘secret talks’. In these secret talks, a secret threat was delivered either to accept the US agenda or to embrace disaster. But what was Washington’s agenda? In simple words, it was Dr. Manmohan Singh. M. J. Akbar writes with reference to Dr. Mitra that the threat proved effective. The Indian leadership laid down their arms and Dr. Manmohan Singh arrived in India right from Washington as India’s new Finance Minister. Today this very ‘Shaukat Aziz’ is India’s Prime Minister. But we must bear in mind that he is the first ‘Shaukat Aziz’ of India; while in Pakistan, the arrival of ‘Manmohans’ had started just after the assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan. But what did Dr. Singh bring with him?
A bag full of economic reforms; as the west has coined the term ‘reform’ as a replacement for ‘sabotage’. Before the arrival of Manmohan Singh, the economic system of India was a closed system. Dr. Singh opened its gates to Europe and America. You must have read in stories and novels and seen in movies how in the olden days enemies besieged a walled city; how did the siege prolonged sometimes for years and how sometimes the conspiring forces within the fort one night opened the portals of the city and let the whole host of enemies enter and pillage their own land and people. The Indian ‘Aziz’ as well as all the Pakistani Manmohans have done the same thing.
After these revelations of Dr. Ashok Mitra, we have become still more confident in our opinion that the Kargil Operation was also an essentially American-European Project. Manmohan Singh had already opened the latch of the gate and now it was about time to throw it wide open. For this however, it was necessary to pressurize India and Kargil provided its opportunity. We, for the first time in our history, beleaguered two divisions of Indian army and in such a way that it could only surrender or die of cold and hunger.
In this scenario, the Indian Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Behari Bajpai, directly requested the US President Clinton for help; and India was helped indeed. It will always be remembered in Indian history that the BJP, in spite of its avowed commitment to Indian nationalism, completely opened India for multinationals. Now Sri Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister of India and is engaged in fast completion of the third phase of ‘the sabotage’ or reforms. In Pakistan the Musharruf-Shaukat team has sold all the country in the name of privatization. Now there only remains the bidding of agricultural lands for corporate farming. And as far as Kashmir is concerned any thing can be expected as Washington’s people are sitting on both sides.
The weak and poor nations of the third world enthusiastically send their brilliant children to Oxford and Howard and think that they would return with more intelligence, expertise and knowledge. However nobody understands that many a times they return as western agents, working on deputation of World Bank and IMF. These people tell their fellow countrymen that they are not so far cultured enough to wash their faces properly. ‘Take this hanki of reforms, wipe your flowing nose, drink our intellectual mineral water and keep running on the path of progress determined by us’. They suggest their fellow people, who in general are still ignorant of the game that is being played with their lives and aspirations.
COURTESY : http://www.chowk.com/articles/indian-shuakat-aziz-and-pakistani-manmohan-singh-Shahnawaz-Farooqui.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
INDIAN REPUBLIC IS GOVERNED BY THE GLOBAL CAPITALISTS AND THE BRAHMINISM !!!!!
BJP wants PM to come clear on A Prattler’s Tale
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The BJP on Monday raised an issue over the claims of a communist leader in his book, which says that Manmomhan Singh was named as Finance Minister in the Narasimha Rao government on the advice of the United States.
BJP vice-president Yashwant Sinha demanded that Singh should clarify his position over the claims of writer Ashok Mitra, a former finance minister in the Left-ruled West Bengal, in his book A Prattler’s Tale.
“Washington had proposed two names for the Finance Minister’s post in the government. While the first person thought things over and declined the invitation, the second name on the list was sounded by Narsimha Rao and he readily agreed,” the BJP leader quoted excerpts from Mitra’s book.
He said that Mitra should disclose the identity of the person who, he claimed, was Washington’s first choice for the Finance Minister’s post.
COURTESY : http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-wants-pm-to-come-clear-on-a-prattlers-t/22605/
C . L . CHUMBER said
JAB TAK BHUKHA INSAAN RAHEGA , DHARATI PAR GHAMASAAN RAHEGA ! ( AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE WILL BE HUNGARY , THERE WILL BE A WAR AGAINST IT ON THE EARTH ! )
AS LONG AS THERE WILL BE THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPISTS , RACISTS AND FASCISTS , THE WAR AGAINST THE ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL EVILS CONTINUE !
I NEVER AVAILED SC STOPENED .
I ALWAYS AVAILED MERIT SCHOLARSHIPS FROM 5TH CLASS .
THE ATTROCITIES ARE NOT 7 DECADES OLD , THESE ARE STILL .
Rakesh said
August 10, 2009 @ 6:54 pm
Sukra Charya said
“JAB TAK BHUKHA INSAAN RAHEGA , DHARATI PAR GHAMASAAN RAHEGA ! ”
—
Zaroor. Is ka ae arth nahi hai, ki, hum doos-ray garib insaan ko maren!
A rough translation is as follows:
Sure. That does not give anyone the right to kill another, equally poor human being.
C . L . CHUMBER said
MR. EMRAN IS ALLOWED TO PURCHASE THE FLAT IN THE SAME LOCALITIES IN WHICH HE WAS DENIED THE FLAT EARLIER .
C.L.CHUMBER said
July 31, 2009 @ 3:09 pm
WHERE`S SECULARISM , ASKS EMRAAN AFTER BEING DENIED HOUSE !!!!!
ANITA GUPTA said
M/S SHUKRACHARYA AND RAJASHEKAR !
YOU MUST ANSWER TO MY POSTING , OTHERWISE YOU ARE BOTH CULPRITS .
ANITA GUPTA said
August 6, 2009 @ 6:38 am
I hereby reproduce ( Mr. Sukra Charya said August 1, 2009 @ 10:11 pm ) in which Mr. Shukracharya blamed ” Mr. Rajasekhar,Most certainly, Sharma-ji is not an Indian. Quite possibly a Pakistani militant. With him its always, “Kill, kill, kill”.
Mr. Ram Karishan Sharma ( August 3, 2009 @ 6:34 pm ) asked , Where did I threaten to kill any body ? All our dialogue is on the record !
Mr. Shukracharya ! you adressed Mr. Rajashekar . He is a criminal who threatened to kill Mr. Chumber and confessed to me in writing in this blog that he threatened to Mr. chumber in frustration !
The criminals blame others ! I am an Indian moderate . You are the Hindu Rastra terrorists ! is it not true ? ”
Mr. Shukracharya kept mum . But Mr. Rajashekar , an irresponsible person came in defence of Mr. Shukrachary by endorsing his baseless blames on Mr. Sharma . He wrote (rajashekar said August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am ) Mr.Sukracharya,
I agree with you .”
I request the administrator of this blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com to check these irresponsible persons and register FIR against them as this blog should not be unethical and illegal persons to defame the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com by abusing , baseless blaming and threatening to kill the writers of this blog .
Sukra Charya said
“Mr. Shukracharya kept mum.”.
Why do you think any of your requests be responded to? Throughout this entire dialog, many have requested M/s.Chumber et al. to adopt a more polite language. (No one asked him/her/whatever to give up his beliefs). That was the ONLY request – and even THAT failed.
So, we don’t think you are qualified to pass a judgement on ANYONE. Learn to talk like a civilized human being first.
rajashekar said
Hi Ms. Anita Gupta,
Don’t jump your guns with out knowing the back ground . I have been trying to post my replies but I get a message on the screen as shown below:
“Discarded”
So please request the Administrator to allow my postings appear in the blog then you will find my replies.
And in case this posting is not discarded, I shall immediately post my replies with out wasting a minute please mind.
Sukra Charya said
“YOU MUST ANSWER TO MY POSTING, OTHERWISE YOU ARE BOTH CULPRITS.”
Mr. Rajasekhar,
The hallmark of a terrorist is this attitude: He/She is NEVER at fault. Only society is at fault. The blame is ALWAYS on someone else. It doesn’t really matter who the target is: It could be a Brahmin, it could be a temple; It could be the PM, it could be the Constitution; it can be Gandhi, it can be Nehru or someone else.
We too have to realize our limitations. We can educate a person and give them fancy degrees. After that, we can only hope that they behave rationally. Sometimes we fail – and we see irrational rants like the one above.
C.L.CHUMBER said
THIS NEWS EXPOSES THE INDIAN JUDICIARY SYSTEM .
Consensus eludes CJs on All-India Judicial Service
R Sedhuraman
Legal Correspondent
New Delhi, August 18
The Chief Justices’ Conference 2009 has come out with a 21-point resolution, demanding the continuance of fast-track courts beyond March 2010 and setting up of the proposed 5,000 fast Gram Nyayalayas without insisting on matching grants from the states.
The August 14-15 conference, however, failed to arrive at a consensus on two proposals. One related to increasing the ratio of appointments to high courts from amongst judicial officers to 50 per cent of the judges’ strength, from the present one-third. The other was for formation of an All-India Judicial Service. The resolutions pertaining to both the proposals merely said: “Discussed.”
The meet accepted the proposal of Patna High Court Chief Justice for increasing the number of working days from 210 days to 220 days. “The Chief Justices of High Courts will explore the possibility of increasing the number of working days from 210 days to 220 days or increase the number of working hours by 30 minutes a day,” the resolution said.
On clearing the backlog of 30 million pending cases, the conference asked the HCs to “arrest arrears” of cases by ensuring speedy trial within a “reasonable period of time.” This could be achieved by conducting a scientific and rational analysis of the accumulation of arrears and preparing a roadmap for themselves and the subordinate judiciary.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, while addressing the joint conference of Chief Ministers and Chief Justices on August 16, had asked the judiciary to wage a war on pending cases and declare itself to be arrear-free in the interest of litigants.
The HCs could finalise the roadmap by taking into account the number of pending cases and the rate at which cases were being filed by the litigants and disposed of by courts, the conference, chaired by Chief Justice of India KG Balakrishnan, said in the 15-page resolution.
The resolution, made available today, reiterated the demand made last year for the setting up at least one family court in each district and additional family courts wherever necessary.
The judges also decided to include the Home Secretary in the committee for implementation of the resolutions as “he looks after the affairs of the HCs for the purpose of allocation of funds and other allied matters.”
The meet asked the HCs to take the assistance of experts for assessing the funds required for augmenting the infrastructure of subordinate courts, particularly ensuring a steady supply of electricity during working hours. State governments should be impressed upon the need for avoiding power cuts and for installation of power back-up facilities in rural areas.
The states would also be approached for the setting up of morning and evening courts of the subordinate judiciary. Another important resolution pertained to granting financial autonomy to the HCs, especially in regard to utilisation of funds for buildings, power backup, computerisation and residential quarters. The meet stressed the need for holding courts in jails by magistrates and increasing the strength of HC judges and of subordinate courts.
Action plan
Working days for high courts up from 210 days to 220 days
HCs to prepare roadmaps for clearing backlog
Uninterrupted power supply demanded for lower courts
Set up morning/evening courts
Exempt states from financial burden of Gram Nyayalayas
Grant financial autonomy to HCs
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090819/main1.htm
Sukra Charya said
“THIS NEWS EXPOSES THE INDIAN JUDICIARY SYSTEM….”.
Chumber-ji,
No Judicial System is ever perfect. In Islamic Saudi Arabia, they cut off the hands of a thief. So, that system is not perfect. In China, the number of people in prisons is the LARGEST in human history. If that system was perfect, how come so many people are in prison?
So, no system is perfect. And the Indian system is far from perfect too. Lets come up with suggestions on how to make it better.
ANITA GUPTA said
Mr. Rajasekhar and Sukracharya ,
The hallmark of a terrorist is this attitude to blame others without proof and when asked to give justification , they declare others terrorists . It is very shameful for you and you both are not ethically alive .:
Sukra Charya said
August 20, 2009 @ 3:31 pm
“YOU MUST ANSWER TO MY POSTING, OTHERWISE YOU ARE BOTH CULPRITS.”
Mr. Rajasekhar,
The hallmark of a terrorist is this attitude: He/She is NEVER at fault. Only society is at fault. The blame is ALWAYS on someone else. It doesn’t really matter who the target is: It could be a Brahmin, it could be a temple; It could be the PM, it could be the Constitution; it can be Gandhi, it can be Nehru or someone else.
We too have to realize our limitations. We can educate a person and give them fancy degrees. After that, we can only hope that they behave rationally. Sometimes we fail – and we see irrational rants like the one above.
ANITA GUPTA said
August 11, 2009 @ 2:47 pm
M/S SHUKRACHARYA AND RAJASHEKAR !
YOU MUST ANSWER TO MY POSTING , OTHERWISE YOU ARE BOTH CULPRITS .
ANITA GUPTA said
August 6, 2009 @ 6:38 am
I hereby reproduce ( Mr. Sukra Charya said August 1, 2009 @ 10:11 pm ) in which Mr. Shukracharya blamed ” Mr. Rajasekhar,Most certainly, Sharma-ji is not an Indian. Quite possibly a Pakistani militant. With him its always, “Kill, kill, kill”.
Mr. Ram Karishan Sharma ( August 3, 2009 @ 6:34 pm ) asked , Where did I threaten to kill any body ? All our dialogue is on the record !
Mr. Shukracharya ! you adressed Mr. Rajashekar . He is a criminal who threatened to kill Mr. Chumber and confessed to me in writing in this blog that he threatened to Mr. chumber in frustration !
The criminals blame others ! I am an Indian moderate . You are the Hindu Rastra terrorists ! is it not true ? ”
Mr. Shukracharya kept mum . But Mr. Rajashekar , an irresponsible person came in defence of Mr. Shukrachary by endorsing his baseless blames on Mr. Sharma . He wrote (rajashekar said August 4, 2009 @ 11:04 am ) Mr.Sukracharya,
I agree with you .”
I request the administrator of this blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com to check these irresponsible persons and register FIR against them as this blog should not be unethical and illegal persons to defame the https://dalitnation.wordpress.com by abusing , baseless blaming and threatening to kill the writers of this blog .
C.L.CHUMBER said
IN THE LOK SABHA ELECTION 2004 , THE CONGRESS AND BJP BOTH PROMISED THAT THEY WILL BRING THE BLACK MONEY DEPOSITED BY INDIANS IN THE SWISS BANKS .
THIS NEWS IS RELATED TO THIS ISSUE AND WE MAY WATCH IN ACTION THE SENSE OF COMMITMENT OF BOTH THE MANUWADI PARTIES .
Govt to look into Swiss banks’ no to share details
Vibha Sharma
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, August 24
The Congress today said the UPA government would look into refusal of Swiss banks to disclose account details of clients to India.
Assuring that the government was fully aware of the matter, Congress spokesperson Abhishek Manu Singhvi said the issue would be pursued. “The government promises to do whatever is in its power to deal with this important public issue. But there are some matters, which are beyond technical boundaries and jurisdiction of India. I can assure you that every step will be taken…The government will look into the matter of Swiss banks rejection to hand over details of Indian clients,” Singhvi said here.
He, however, refused to see any reason in the argument that maybe the government did not take up the issue properly with the Swiss authorities earlier. “It is because of efforts of the government that Swiss banks have elicited some response,” he added.
Notably, the Swiss Bank authorities rejected India’s request to disclose details of clients, saying that Swiss law and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) Model Tax Convention do not permit fishing expeditions and they would not co-operate for the indiscriminate trawling through bank accounts in the hope of finding something interesting.
They say that India will only be able to get a response if it files specific requests. Indians are said to be holding a huge sum of money, running into billions, in Swiss accounts.
The secrecy shield provided by Swiss banks was a issue of political debate in India, especially during this year’s General Election. Fighting black money was a central theme of the BJP’s campaign during the polls. The party promised to bring back the illegal money stashed away in Swiss banks and other tax havens abroad if voted to power. This had led the Congress to announce that it would take steps in this direction within the first 100 days of assuming power.
The UPA government recently said it had approached Switzerland seeking details about bank accounts held by Indians.
Speaking to mediapersons in New Delhi Finance Minister Mukherjee today said: “What can I comment? I will look into the matter and discuss the Swiss Banks rejection to disclose the details with authorities in banking sector.”
Meanwhile, BJP President Rajnath Singh said India should mount diplomatic pressure on Switzerland to get the account details.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090825/main5.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FOR DIALOGUE . THEY ARE EXCELLENT ABUSERS . THEY EVEN KEPT DICTIONARY OF ABUSES .
THE MANY TIMES DID NOT REPLY .
I AM ASTONISHED THAT THEY STILL NOT ABUSED AND BLAMED YOU . I THINK THAT THEY SPARED YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE VAISH BY NAME .
ANITA GUPTA said
August 22, 2009 @ 11:46 am
Mr. Rajasekhar and Sukracharya ,
The hallmark of a terrorist is this attitude to blame others without proof and when asked to give justification , they declare others terrorists . It is very shameful for you and you both are not ethically alive .:
hh said
only a madman like you can hallucinate that you are not an abuser.
if you are so sure that you are not an abuser, then come to court and prove it. Go and file a case right now. Or provide all your personal details including your TADA case number, so that we can file a case.
C.L.CHUMBER said
MR. BRAJESH MISHRA , NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR EXPOSED MR. L.K.ADVANI , FORMER HOME MINISTER OF INDIA ON THE KANDHAR ISSUE .
THIS SHOWS HOW THE RSS` OFFSHOOT BJP`S GOVERNMENT SURRENDERED TO THE TERRORISTS GLOBALY !!!!!
THEY MUST BE PUT BEHIND BARS WITHOUT FAIL !!!!!
Brajesh on Kandahar: Advani knew of terrorists’ release
PTI 27 August 2009, 04:31pm IST
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NEW DELHI: Adding to L K Advani’s woes in the midst of a crisis in BJP, former national security advisor Brajesh Mishra on Thursday said that
the former home minister was part of the NDA government’s decision to release three terrorists and to send Jaswant Singh to Kandahar for securing hostages’ release.
“The decision was taken by the Cabinet Committee on Security which has, you know, five members- – Prime Minister, home minister, finance minister, external affairs minister and defence minister.
“….once those demands were whittled down to three terrorists and no money and no interred remains (of some terrorist), then there was a unanimous decision of the CCS that in order to save the lives of 160 plus hostages and the aircraft crew, it made sense to release these three terrorists and get the hostages back,” Mishra told in a TV interview.
When asked if it was an unanimous decision, he replied, “Of course”.
Q: Was Advani part and parcel of it? A: Yes, of course.
Mishra, who is considered close to former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, said Advani was also aware of the decision to send external affairs minister Jaswant Singh to Kandahar to secure the release of hostages.
“Again the CCS met and Mr Jaswant Singh proposed that he would go to Kandahar to bring back the hostages and he explained that the Indian representatives who were negotiating in Kandahar – diplomats, IB, RAW – they had suggested that somebody should be there to take care of any last minute complications. This he informed the CCS and they agreed to send (him),” Mishra said.
When asked again if this was an unanimous decision, Mishra replied in the affirmative.
On whether Advani was a party to the decision, he said yes.
“Three members of CCS, George Fernandes (then defence minister), Jaswant Singh and Yashwant Sinha (finance minister) have already said this,” Mishra added.
The former NSA clarified that initially no one was in favour of any concession while dealing with the hijackers.
“To begin with, they wanted the release of 36 terrorists. They wanted $ 200 million. And they wanted the interred remains of some terrorist. Nobody was prepared to accept this. Each and every member (of CCS) was opposed to agreeing to those demands,” he said.
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C.L.CHUMBER said
ACTUALLY , MATA JI WENT TO MEET HIS SON KANSHI RAM ON 2ND DECEMBER , 2005 ALONG WITH MYSELF , SAHIB`S TWO YOUNGER BROTHERS HARBANS SINGH , SDALBARA SINGH ISTER , SWARAN KAUR , S. SANTOKH SINGH SALANA , PRESIDENT , THE SAHIB KANSHI RAM BACHAAO SANGHARSH COMMITTEE AND MY YOUNGER SON MR. JAN SANGRAM CHUMBER WHO MADE VIDEO OF MISBEHAVE DONE BY THE LADY SECURITY GUARDS WITH MATA JI AND MEN SECURITY GUARDS WITH US .
MATA JI WAS EXHAUSTED TOTALLY AT THIS MISBEHAVE .
KANSHI RAM `S MOTHER DIES PINING FOR HIM .
( THE TRIBUNE , CHANDIGARH , 22ND DEC. , 2005 )
Tribune News Service
Bunga Sahib (Ropar), December 21
She died pleading that Kansi Ram should be freed from the custody of BSP supremo Mayawati. His mother was desperate to see her elder son and had gone to meet him in New Delhi on December 1, but guards of Ms Mayawati did not allow in, said Dalwara Singh, brother of Kanshi Ram, who brought the body of his mother at Bunga Sahib village, about 25 km from here, this evening.
Bishan Kaur (96) died of a major heart attack this afternoon at the PGI, Chandigarh. Her condition had deteriorated after she was humiliated by the guards. Initially, she was admitted at an Anandpur Sahib hospital but when her condition did not improve, she was shifted to the PGI.
“Even in the morning, she appealed to all of us to take her to Delhi so that she could see her son but in vain. Our advocate has sent a fax message to Mayawati about the death through an SHO concerned in New Delhi and also appealed to her to bring him to the village to perform the last rites. The message had also been faxed to the Delhi Police Commissioner”, he said.
COURTESY : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20051222/punjab1.htm#2
C.L.CHUMBER said
DECODING THE ANCIENT SCRIPT OF THE INDUS VALLEY
By Ishaan Tharoor
Courtesy : http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1919795,00.html
C.L.CHUMBER said
TAJ BUILDERS USED HARAPPAN MEASUREMENT UNITS !!!!!
BY K. S. Jayaraman
The Tribune , Chandigarh , Sunday, September 6, 2009
Designers of the 17th century Taj Mahal, the finest piece of Mughal architecture, employed the same unit of measurement used by the Harappan civilization of 2000 BC, according to a new study reported in the latest issue of Current Science.
An ancient unit of length called angulam
An ancient unit of length called angulam, mentioned in Kautilya’s treatise Arthasastra dated 300 BC, has been used as the unit of measurement right from the Harappan times till the pre-modern era when the Taj Mahal was built Photo: Renu Manish Sinha
The study by R. Balasubramaniam of the Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur, has for the first time shown that the unit of length called angulam — mentioned in Kautilya’s treatise Arthasastra dated 300 BC — was used without a break by Indian builders for over 3,900 years until the British imposed their units in the 18th century.
The ancient angulam has been found to be equal to 1.763 modern centimetres, according to Balasubramaniam, a professor of materials and metallurgical engineering. He has carried out dimensional analysis of some of India’s historical structures, built during different times, to identify the measuring units used in their engineering plans.
He says he was surprised that angulam and its multiples vitasti (12 angulams) and dhanus (108 angulams) have been used as the unit of measurement right from the Harappan times till the pre-modern era when the Taj was built.
Balasubramaniam, who last year studied the dimensions of the 1,600-year-old Delhi Iron Pillar at the Qutub Minar complex, found that angulam and its multiple dhanus were used as the basic units of length in its design. For example, the total height of the pillar is exactly 4 dhanus, adds Balasubramaniam.
And now in a paper published in Current Science, Balasubramaniam has shown that the modular plan of the Taj Mahal complex is based on use of grids of sides measuring 60 and 90 vitasti.
He says the study has established that the design and architecture of the Taj is based on traditional Indian units codified in Arthasastra and that “there is nothing foreign” in its design.
“The fact that the unit of angulam of 1.763 cm could match very well the dimensions of historical monuments establishes the continuity of India’s engineering tradition through the ages for as long as 3,900 years,” says Balasubramaniam in his paper.
“With the new knowledge we can analyse all the important ancient structures in India,” he says, and hopes the findings “will open a new chapter in the study of metrology (science of measurements)”.
But how did the angulam tradition remain unbroken for so long? As quoted in the website of Nature India, Balasubramaniam believes the workers from the Harappan days were perhaps using some kind of scale “that was handed over through generations”. — IANS
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090906/spectrum/main4.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HAPPY HINDU NON-SENSE VAIDIK ABUSER CLUB !
I AS WELL AS THE https://dalitnation.wordpress.com ARE READY TO PUT OVER CASE IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT .
YOU ARE THREATENING US FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR BUT YOU NEVER FILED CASE IN THE COURT .
YOU SO MANY TIMES WROTE THAT YOU DID NOT HONOUR THE SUPREME COURT`S JUDGEMENT ON ” IDIOT ” .
FIRST OF ALL , THE COURT WILL ASK YOU AND WILL SEND YOU IN THE JAIL FOR DISOBEYING THE SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT .
PLEASE DO NOT BARK BY ABUSING US FREEQUENTLY . WHENEVER WE WILL MEET IN THE COURT PREMISES , THE PEOPLE WILL DEFACE YOU AS YOU WROTE THAT VALMIKI , AMBEDKAR , KANSHI RAM AND CHUMBER`S FATHER WERE RAPISTS WITHOUT ANY PROOF .
WE ARE READY FOR LEGAL BATTLE !
C.L.CHUMBER said
PERIYAR VS RAJA JI
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COURTESY: GNANPRAKASAM
By N. Sathiya Moorthy
No two ‘friends’ were more unlike each other than Chakravarti Rajagopalachari, the first Indian Governor-General, and E.V. Ramaswamy Naicker. Popularly known as Rajaji and Periyar, they fought over issues but did not share the kind of personal antipathy that dominates Tamil Nadu politics today.
Rajaji and Periyar clashed on ideology, policies and programmes. They didn’t spare each other, though it was Rajaji who was at the receiving end often. That was because he moved from one political office to another to become the chief minister of Madras state. From the opposition, Periyar could fire his political salvos at will, particularly after he had decided to keep his Self Respect Movement, which later became the Dravidar Kazhagam, as a social organisation instead of letting it become a political party.
Rajaji, who hailed from Salem, was an Iyengar Brahmin. Periyar, a native of Erode, was a Kannadiga Naicker, an equally orthodox community. He was also the hereditary trustee of a local Ganesh temple. Both started off in the Indian National Congress. Periyar, who became vice-president of the Tamil Nadu Congress Committee, left the party in the 1920s, as he was unhappy with the Brahmin hegemony within the party. Rajaji left the Congress to start the Swatantra Party after he resigned as chief minister.
The political differences between the two leaders peaked in the 1950s when Rajaji, as chief minister, introduced Kula Kalvi Thittam (hereditary education policy), which was mischievously misinterpreted as ‘caste-based education’ by the DK and the DMK. Periyar saw in it an evil Brahminical design to confine the children of artisans to their traditional workplace and to deny them higher education. His protests contributed to Rajaji’s early exit as chief minister.
Ironically, the 1960s saw the two leaders changing sides. Rajaji, who was supported by the minuscule but influential Brahmin community, backed the anti-Brahmin, atheistic Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam in the 1967 Assembly elections. The two Communist parties and the Indian Union Muslim League under Qaid-e-Millet Mohammed Ismail were the other allies.
Instead of supporting the DMK, Periyar, who was addressed as Thanthai by the DMK founder C.N. Annadurai and followers, sided with the Congress led by K. Kamaraj. It was Rajaji who won in 1967, but only to change his views on the Dravidian rulers shortly. He would side with the Congress (O) of Kamaraj in the 1971 polls, while Periyar’s blessings went to the ruling DMK-led alliance that included the Congress (I) led by Indira Gandhi.
If Rajaji wore white khadi like all Congressmen, Periyar preferred black, which signified protest as well as the general Dravidian complexion. While Rajaji was lean and bald, Periyar was squat with long hair and a thick beard. Despite their rivalry, they had a sort of mutual respect that bordered on friendship. For instance, when Periyar was faced with the moral dilemma of marrying young Maniammai despite the protests of his Dravidian followers, it was to Rajaji that he turned for advice. That marriage paved the way for the birth of the DMK. When Rajaji fell sick, Periyar, who was already in wheelchair, often called on him in hospital.
Courtesy : http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@&contentType=EDITORIAL§ionName=TheWeek%20COVER%20STORY&programId=1073755753&contentId=5905748
C.L.CHUMBER said
PLEASE THINK IT OVER :HOW THE DECEDENTS OF THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION LOST THE MODERN PERIOD BATTLE TO THE ARYANS POLITICALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY !!!!!
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IS THERE RECOGNITION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AND THEIR ADI-GURUS E.G. VALMIK , NAMDEV , RAVIDS , KABIR , CHOKHA MELS , TUKA RAM , DHANNA , SAIN AND MANY MORE ADI-GURUS IN THE HINDUISM AND THE BUDDHISM ?
WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL AGENDA OF THESE BOTH RELIGIONS AND THE BOTH RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES TO ANNIHILATE THE CASTE ?
THE BOTH RELIGIONS / SOCIETIES RECOGNIZE THE STATUES / IDOLS WORSHIP OF THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS .
THE HINDUISM AND THE RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS ARE THE MAIN RELIGIOUS CAUSES OF THE SLAVERY OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS AS IT DIVIDED THEM ON RELIGIOUS BASIS .
WHY NOT WE STRESS ON THE ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS .
WHY NOT WE AWAKEN OUR PEOPLE REGARDING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ?
WHY NOT WE START NON-RELIGIOUS AND NON-POLITICAL MOVEMENTS FOR THE ECONOMIC EMANCIPATION AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE ABORIGINAL INDIANS ?
THE BAMCEF DIVIDED IN MANY PARTS BETRAYED ITS POLICY OF THE NON-RELIGIOUS AND NON-POLITICAL MOVEMENT .
SOME BAMCEF WEBSITES HIGHLIGHTS BUDDHA ONLY . SOME PEOPLE THE BAMCEF AS BELOW :
B – BUDDHIST
A – AMBEDKRITES `
M- MAHAR
C – CHAMAR
E- EMPLOYEES
F-FEDERATION .
THIS MEANS BAMCEF LOST ITS REAL PATH AS BELOW :
B- BACKWARD CLASSES ( SCs , STs , OBCs )
A-AND
M-MINORITY
C-COMMUNITIES
E- EMPLOYEES
F-FEDERATION .
Ms MAYAWATI AND MANUWADIS ALLIANCED NOT ONLY POLITICALLY BUT ALSO RELIGIOUSLY OPENLY .
THE BSP`S SLOGAN WAS ” BSP KI KYA PEHCHAN ? , NILA JHANDA , HATHI NISHAN .” BSP`S IDENTITY KNOWN BY THE BLUE FLAG AND THE ELEPHANT ELECTION SYMBOL !
BUT NOW THE BSP WORKERS ARE COMPELLED TO NEW SLOGAN ” HATHI NAHIN GANISH HAI , BRAHMA , VISHANU , GANESH HAI ” MEANS THE BSP`S ELEPHANT SYMBOL IS NOW HINDU GODS TO THESE GODS DR. AMBEDKAR DISCARDED ON 14TH OCTOBER , 1956 !
DR. AMBEDKAR DID THE POONA PACT WITH GANDHI AND HIS HINDU CO. ON 24TH SEPTEMBER , 1932 TO BE HINDU WHEN HE TOLD THE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCES 1930-1932 A.D. , THE SIMMON COMMISSION AND LOTHIAN COMMITTEE EARLIER THAT THE DALITS ARE NOT HINDUS .
DR. AMBEDKAR BETRAYED THE DALITS AND BAMCEF AND MAYAWATI BETRAYED BOTH DR. AMBEDKAR AND SAHIB KANSHI RAM .
DR. AMBEDKAR DENOUNCED THE POONA PACT IN HIS FAMOUS BOOK ” WHAT CONGRESS AND GANDHI HAVE DONE TO THE UNTOUCHABLES ? ” HE WROTE MANY CHAPTERS BUT TWO ARE WORTH READING :
1. ARE NOT UNTOUCHABLES A SEPARATE ELEMENT ?
2. POONA PACT – A MEAN DEAL
DR. AMBEDKAR IN HIS MEMORANDUM TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY DEMANDED THE SEPARATE ELECTORATE WHICH WAS SNATCHED FROM THE DALITS BY GANDHI-AMBEDKAR PACT ( POONA PACT ) . SECOND , DR. AMBEDKAR DEMANDED SEPARATE SETTLEMENTS FOR THE DALITS / SCs . ACCORDING TO SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S SPEECH ON 6TH DEC. , 1996 AT AMBEDKAR CHOWK , JALANDHAR CITY , PUNJAB , DR. AMBEDKAR COULD NOT ACHIEVE THESE GOALS EVEN BEING THE LAW MINISTER AND CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSTITUTION DRAFTING COMMITTEE !
SAHIB KANSHI RAM`S MOVEMENT WAS TO NULLIFY THE POONA PACT SOCIALLY AND POLITICALLY . HE DECLARED IN HIS BOOK THE CHAMCHA AGE THAT THE POONA PACT CREATED CHAMCHAS AMONG THE SCs !
HE MADE HANDICAPS THE MASTERS OF THE SC CHAMCHAS POLITICALLY . BUT HIS OWN LIEUTENANTS BECAME THE CHAMCHAS OF THE HANDICAPPED GANDHIAN MASTERS WHICH RESULTED IN HIS UN-NATURAL DEATH .HE SACRIFICED HIS LIFE TO FINISH THE MASTERS OF THE CHAMCHAS . WE SALUTE HIM AND PLEDGE TO FOLLOW HIS PATH OF ” DO OR DIE ” !!!!!
C.L.CHUMBER said
62 MILLIONS SLUM DWELLERS , BUT INDIA WILL BE SLUM FREE : SELJA
Sat, Sep 12 03:36 PM
New Delhi, Sep 12 (IANS) India has a whopping 62 million slum dwellers but it aims to be free of shanties through a slew of schemes such as earmarking of 20 percent of developed land in all housing projects for this category, Housing and Urban Poverty Alleviation Minister Kumari Selja said here Saturday.
‘When our government first came to power in 2004, we had set out as our priority to cater to the needs of the urban poor. I am satisfied that states have now recognised that they need to plan for them,’ Selja said while listing out the achievements of the ministry in the last 100 days.
‘It is in the interest of all that the country is slum free.’
‘We will fail them if we don’t plan for them. Earlier there was no planning, that’s why slums came up without water or proper sanitation,’ she told reporters here.
With the aim of moving towards slum free status, she said they have launched the Rajiv Awas Yojna that aims to provide incentives to states that want to make their cities slum free. Under the scheme, slum dwellers will be given property rights.
‘We have received clearance from the Planning Commission recently on this,’ the minister said.
According to a 2001 survey, there are 62 million slumdwellers in India, she said.
Selja, who also holds the tourism ministry portfolio, said about 16 states have issued directives to reserve more than 20 percent of developed land in both public and private housing projects for the urban poor.
She said 500,000 houses for slumdwellers are in the process of completion. ‘About 48 cities in 21 states have undertaken earmarking of funds for the urban poor in their cities,’ she said.
Highlighting the ministry’s achievements, she said the Planning Commission has enhanced their allocation by Rs.5,043 crore.
The ministry has also launched a new scheme of affordable housing in partnership, with an outlay of Rs.5,000 crore for construction of one million houses for the economically weaker sections.
The scheme, part of the Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission (JNNURM), aims at partnership between various agencies. The JNNURM, which was launched in 2005, aims to address the infrastructure shortage and basic amenities of the urban poor living in slums in urban areas.
‘I can say we have achieved some success in moving towards our goal. But we have much more to do. We have a long way to go,’ she said.
Indo Asian News Service
Courtesy : http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090912/836/tbs-62-million-slumdwellers-but-india-wi.html
C . L . CHUMBER said
PUNJAB AYURVEDIC UNIVERSITY NAMED AFTER GURU RAVIDAS
( THE HINDUSTAN TIMES , CHANDIGARH , 17TH SEPTEMBER , 2009 )
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/ArticleImage.aspx?article=17_09_2009_002_004&mode=undefined
Prabhakara said
” Bramhins destroyed Deavidian Indus civilization” is an intersting proposition which implies several things like
1. There were only Dalits in Indus civilization
2.Bramhins were much stronger than dalits
3. Chanakya came to India along with other Bramhins several centuries before he was born in the present day Bihar or the Magdha of the olden days.
I am sure Dalit Nation will have some research conducted on these and other related important issues and establish history on a firm foundation and establish the role of Dalits and Bramhins in Indus valley civilisation.
C . L . CHUMBER said
LEGENDARY APE MAN SPOTTED IN SUMATRA .
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London, October 01, 2009
First Published: 13:01 IST(1/10/2009)
Last Updated: 13:34 IST(1/10/2009)
Ape ManA team of British explorers has claimed to have spotted a legendary ape man believed to inhabit an island jungle in Sumatra.
According to a report in The Sun, the ape man was seen by the four-strong team and their Indonesian guide.
Witnesses have described the beast as being about 5ft tall and say that it walks on two legs.
It is thought to be extremely powerful — with reports of onlookers seeing it ripping apart logs.
After a spate of sightings around Lake Gunung Tuju, in the Kerinci national park, a team from the Devon based Centre for Fortean Zoology — which investigates unknown species of animals — embarked on a two-week mission to the region to see if they could obtain evidence of the creature.
The explorers were tracking through dense jungle in Sumatra when two of them caught a glimpse of the famous ‘Orang Pendek’ — or short man.
The group brought back a hair sample and a piece of chewed palm from the island’s Kerinci National Park they hope will provide DNA evidence of the beast.
They also snapped a strange footprint thought to belong to the creature.
Sightings of the hairy human-like monster have been made in the area since colonial times — and it is alleged to be immensely powerful.
The explorers hope the sample of rattan palm, which is thought to have been munched on by the Orang Pendek, will contain some of its cells.
The palm and hair sample have been sent for testing.
The elusive Orang Pendek shares its habitat with the Sumatran Tiger, pythons, and Saltwater crocodiles.
According to Richard Freeman, the expedition zoologist and zoological director at the Centre for Fortean Zoology, the creature is an unidentified species of ape.
“We are not talking about a unicorn or a griffin, we are talking about an ape that’s unknown to science,” he said.
“It’s supposed to be a powerfully built upright walking ape. It walks on two legs rather than four – like a man, about five foot tall with dark fur – immensely strong,” he added.
The team, who have just returned from their two-week expedition, hailed it a success and are awaiting the results of the DNA tests.
Courtesy : http://www.hindustantimes.com/Legendary-ape-man-spotted-in-Sumatra/H1-Article1-460046.aspx
C . L . CHUMBER said
ACTOR SHINY AHUJA GOT BAIL IN A RAPE CASE AFTER THREE AND AN HALF MONTHS .
THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RAPIST BRAHMA AND VISHANU MUST LEARN A GOOD LESSON FROM THIS .
THEY MUST DISCARD THESE RAPIST GODS AND THEIR INCARNATIONS , OTHERWISE THEY WILL BE PUT BEHIND BARS LIKE SHINEY AHUJA !!!!!
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SHINEY GETS BAIL , ORDERED TO STAY IN DELHI .
Bollywood actor Shiney Ahuja.
MUMBAI: Three and a half months after his arrest for alleged rape of his domestic help, Bollywood actor Shiney Ahuja got bail on Thursday from the Bombay High Court on condition that he will stay in Delhi till the trial begins to ensure that there is no tampering of evidence.
The High Court asked the 36-year-old actor to pay a surety amount of Rs.50,000 within three weeks, surrender his passport and refrain from offering any inducement to witnesses, directly or indirectly.
“There are two aspects in such cases — an accused may try to flee or tamper with the evidence. In this case, since he is a permanent resident of Mumbai, he may not try to flee, and to ensure that there is no tampering of evidence, certain conditions must be put,” observed Justice A. P. Deshpande.
Shiney, who hails from Delhi, will have to report to the police station nearest to his place of stay in the Capital at regular intervals.
Reacting to the High Court order, the actor’s wife, Anupam, looking relieved, said, “I am overwhelmed to hear that Shiney has been granted bail. From Day One I have been saying that this is a frame-up. We have full faith in the judiciary. He will be finally back with the family.”
However, Shiney will have to spend two more nights in the Arthur Road Jail as his family could not complete some paper work. The Court is closed on Friday on account of Gandhi Jayanti. He will come out only on Saturday and will go to Delhi as per Court orders.
Shiney was arrested on June 15 after his maid lodged a complaint at the Oshivara police station that the actor had raped her at his residence.
The wife and child of the actor were not at home when the alleged incident took place. The Court ruled that Shiney would be permitted to come to Mumbai from Delhi only during the trial.
Earlier, the actor’s bail plea had been rejected twice by the lower court following which he moved the High Court. Shiney’s lawyers argued that medical and other evidence suggested that intercourse was with the girl’s consent. As per medical reports, there were no injuries on Shiney’s body barring one between two fingers of his hand,” they contended.
The police filed a 109-page charge-sheet against the actor accusing him of raping his 20-year-old maid. – PTI
COURTESY : http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/02/stories/2009100257290100.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
RSS`WEEKLY THE ORGANISER PUBLISHED A NEWS ‘ ARYAN-DRAVIDIAN DIVIDE A MYTH : STUDY ‘ IN ITS ISSUE DATED 4TH JULY , 2009 .
I WILL COMMENT LATER ON .
Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study
Hyderabad: The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred. A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations says there is a genetic relationship between all Indians and more importantly, the hitherto believed ‘‘fact’’ that Aryans and Dravidians signify the ancestry of north and south Indians might after all, be a myth.
“This paper rewrites history… there is no north-south divide,’’ Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a coauthor of the study, said on Thursday.
Senior CCMB scientist K Thangarajan added there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians had settled.
The study was conducted by CCMB along with researchers at Harvard Medical School, Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT. It reveals that the present-day Indian population is a mix of the genomic contributions from the Ancestral North Indian and the Ancestral South Indian.
Genetically One
Around 65,000 years ago, initial settlements began in Andamans & ancient south India. Another 25,000 years later, the ancient north Indians emerged.
Eventually, north and south populations met, giving rise to a different set Present-day Indians are a mix of north and south, with genomic strains from two distinct ancestors-the Ancestral North Indian and Ancestral South Indian.
‘Castes grew out of tribe-like groups’
HYDERABAD: A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations say there is a genetic relationship between all Indians.
The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally ‘‘upper’’ and ‘‘lower’’ castes and tribal groups.
‘‘The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,’’ the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different.
‘‘The initial settlement took place 65,000 years ago in the Andamans and in ancient south India around the same time, which led to population growth in this part,’’ said Thangarajan. He added, ‘‘At a later stage, 40,000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. But at some point of time, the ancient north and the ancient south mixed, giving birth to a different set of population. And that is the population which exists now and there is a genetic relationship between the population within India.’’
The study also helps understand why the incidence of genetic diseases among Indians is different from the rest of the world.
Courtesy: The Times of India
Courtesy: : http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=311&page=4
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
Mr. Prabhakara wrote ( September 28, 2009 @ 9:32 am ) as below –
” Bramhins destroyed Deavidian Indus civilization” is an intersting proposition which implies several things like
1. There were only Dalits in Indus civilization
2.Bramhins were much stronger than dalits
3. Chanakya came to India along with other Bramhins several centuries before he was born in the present day Bihar or the Magdha of the olden days.
I am sure Dalit Nation will have some research conducted on these and other related important issues and establish history on a firm foundation and establish the role of Dalits and Bramhins in Indus valley civilisation. ”
I hereby reproduce the complete writing under the title ” Brahmins destroyed the dravidian Indus valley civilisation ” as below –
” We dalits had created the greatest civilization on earth in Harappa and Mohenjadaro. The Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this. But out historians don’t even talk about this. We have the living proof of harappa and mohenjadaro in pakistan. My heart bleeds when I see those ruins. How cruel the brahmins are. This finished our civilization and drove all the people to tamil nadu. It is the great leader Periyar who has liberated our thoughts from this slavery. Periyar said Brahmins are like snakes. Kill them wherever you find them. We should follow periyar and reclaim our lost heritage of Indus valley civilization. We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
LET US NOW DISCUSS :
1 . The https://dalitnation.wordpress.com wrote dalits in a broader sense for the aboriginal Indians .
2. The dalitnation.wordpress.wrote ,” Brahmins who came from central asia and called themselves aryans were so jealous of this civilization. They came and looted us and took all over wealth. They raped our women, took away our cattle. The genocide of Hitler is nothing in comparison with this.”
Mr. Parbhakra wrote ,” Bramhins were much stronger than dalits .” The Brahmins were not much stronger than dalits / aboriginal Indians . They won by hook and crook which is recorded in their scriptures .
3 Mr. Parbhakra wrote.,” Chanakya came to India along with other Bramhins several centuries before he was born in the present day Bihar or the Magdha of the olden days.”
The dalitnation.wordpress wrote ,” We should identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra and used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization and teach these brahmins a lesson. Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
The dalitnation.wordpress cautioned the aboriginal Indians to ” identify the students of Chanakya who read the arthashastra .” I recently saw a book published on Chankya as management guru by the association of the Indian Industrialists !
The dalitnation.wordpress again cautioned ” used it to destroy Indus Valley civilization .” It means the readers of the Chankya`s Arathshatra are of destructive nature and they always use to destroy the socio-economic status of the dalits / aboriginal Indians . And it sum up as ” Chanakya’s strategy will not work any more.”
ANITA GUPTA said
NOT ONLY INDIA , THE ENTIRE INDIAN SUBCONTINANT IS MISGOVERNED BY THE RULERS OF THESE COUNTRIES .THE PEOPLE OF THIS AREA ARE LIVING UNDER SUBHUMAN CONDITIONS .
The Housing and Urban Poverty Alleviation Minister Kumari Selja said at Delhi on 11th September , 2009 ,” India has a whopping 62 million slum dwellers but it aims to be free of shanties through a slew of schemes such as earmarking of 20 percent of developed land in all housing projects for this category .”.
But now the UNDP Human Development Index lists India sliped at 134th among 182 countries and India fares poorly in quality of life .
The Tribune , Chandigarh dated October 6 , 2009 published the news reported by Aditi Tandon from New Delhi as below :
” While this year China figures among the only five countries across the world that improved their Human Development Index (HDI) rankings by three or more points, India continues to cut a sorry figure, slipping six points (from the last compilation) in the latest UNDP Human Development Index. Overall, however, India made progress on HDI, improving its value from 0.556 in 2000 to 0.612 in 2007.
” As against a standing of 128 in the previous year’s UN Human Development Report, India has been ranked 134th among the 182 nations surveyed in the latest report released globally in Bangkok and nationally in the Capital today. The slip represents poor progress on some indicators of people’s well-being, including life expectancy, literacy, school enrolment and GDP per capita.
” In China (ranked 92), along with Colombia, France, Peru and Venezuela, which improved their rankings by at least three points, the fillip has been attributed to increase in incomes and life expectancy. China, Colombia and Venezuela’s progress has also been driven by improvement in education, states this year’s report titled ‘Overcoming Barriers: Human Mobility and Development’ that focuses on migration. The report, released by Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia, concludes that disparities in life expectancy in the world can range up to 30 years. Despite progress in the last 25 years, disparities in people’s well-being in rich and poor countries continue to be unacceptably wide. The report was introduced here by Patrice Coeur-Bizot, resident representative of the UNDP.
” This year’s report represents the most extensive coverage ever of 182 countries. As for rankings, the top three ranked countries in the HDI are – Norway, Australia and Iceland. France rejoined the top 10 countries after dropping down for one year, while Luxembourg fell from the top 10.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091006/main7.htm ”
It shows that India is misgoverned by the rulers . Not India only , the entire Indian subcontinant is misgoverned by the rulers of these countries . The people of this area are living under the sub-human conditions .
C.L.CHUMBER said
September 14, 2009 @ 2:39 am
62 MILLIONS SLUM DWELLERS , BUT INDIA WILL BE SLUM FREE : SELJA
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
If the RSS wish to unite humanity on equality , quality , equity , liberity ,fraternity and justice , then its leadership must discard their evil Gods and the caste system . Its leadership must replace its evil Gods by the humanitarian Gods , Gurus and modern humanitarian leaders . Its leadership must preach against the evil Gods and the caste system . Its leadership must propogate and enrole the new membership only for the intercaste / intervarna married persons to annihilate the caste / varna system .
Its schools must be reserved for the intercaste / intervarna married teachers and other staff and the children born to the intercaste / intervarna married couples . Its and its off shoots`office bearers must be intercaste / intervarna married persons .
Its monoply of the Brahmins must be neutrolized !
C . L . CHUMBER said
October 5, 2009 @ 4:46 am
RSS`WEEKLY THE ORGANISER PUBLISHED A NEWS ‘ ARYAN-DRAVIDIAN DIVIDE A MYTH : STUDY ‘ IN ITS ISSUE DATED 4TH JULY , 2009 .
I WILL COMMENT LATER ON .
Aryan-Dravidian divide a myth: Study
C . L . CHUMBER said
I REPRODUCE THE LIST OF ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE DALIT VOICE ( Oct 1st – 15th 2009 ) FORTNIGHTLY WHICH ARE THOUGHT PROVOKING .
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Articles
COMMUNICATION : Brahminism will surrender only when it gets biological threat
COMMUNICATION : Brahminism as founding father of racism
Financial “experts” are frauds : India needs social change not economic gimmicks
COMMUNICATION : Brahmins in US behave exactly as they do in India
Fake scientist engaged in killing farmers & destroying agriculture
America shocked on hearing Brahminical media monopoly
Jaswant said truth on Jinnah
COMMUNICATION : DV is history : Should be preserved for future generations
Why marxists target only Muslim- dominated Bengal & Kerala?
C.S.D.S. STUDY REPORT : Brahmins alone control Indian media
Courtesy : http://www.dalitvoice.org/index.htm
indus mission of culture said
Mr. Chambar,
Why you are so silent about the Brahmin leading Maoist groups in our country who has been criminalizing the peoples movement and diverted it into bloodshed? Why they are killing our people? Why they are not fighting against HINDUTWA the seed of the injustice and inequality? The Brahmanical regiment destroyed our civilization, still they are missguiding, killing and protecting the four fold structure of MANU in the name of MAOISM.
C . L . CHUMBER said
VALMIKI COMMUNITY DECIDED TO COMPLAIN TO THE DGP OF PUNJAB AGAINST THOSE WHO BLAMED THAT ADI-BHAGWAN VALMIKI WAS A RAPIST WITHOUT ANY PROOF !!!!!
Mr. Happy Hindu ,
You please do not abuse as well as blame withoust reason .
To-day , I discussed with the Valmikis regarding the baseless accusations by the members of the Happy Hindu Indo-Aryan Vedik Club . They took serious notice and they decided to complain to the DGP , Punjab to arrest those persons who blamed that Adi-Bhagwan Valmiki was rapist . It is for kind informaation , please .
hh said
October 7, 2009 @ 9:21 am
hh said
Cut your stupid crap, Provide your details, We are waiting to file a case on you and drag you to court. Come to court and prove your nonsense.
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu ,
I also need the same information regarding your good self to file a court case against you but you never supplied . You know my address and contact number as you already admitted in this blog .
hh said
October 20, 2009 @ 10:34 am
hh said
where did my reply go?
dalitnation,
enuf of playing games. put back my reply to this guy and ensure he provides the details asked from him – this man certainly needs to be tried in a court.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE RULERS HAVE NO ETHICAL AND LEGAL RIGHT TO HELD THE SUCH EXPENSIVE GAMES UNTIL EVERY CITIZEN HAVE ‘ ROTI , KAPDA AUR MAKAN .’
Dear viewers ,
It is sad to know that a country , which have more than half of its population under below poverty line , is going to waste Rs. 1620 crores in the name of the games . The 75 percent people have not still sanitation and pure water supply facilities . The one fourth population of the metro cities live in slums
.There are no small scale industries where the youth can get employment .The people work under Sun but their representatives live in air conditioned rooms and tour in cars at the cost of government expenses .
The rulers have no ethical and legal right to held the such expensive games until every citizen have ‘ roti , kapra aur makaan ‘ .If the rulers continue to disobey their constitutional duties to establish the rule of equality , liberty , justice and fraternity to each citizen , the people may follow the natural law of justice .
Commonwealth Games budget doubled
Girja Shankar Kaura
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, November 5
The government today more than doubled the budget for the 2010 Commonwealth Games to Rs1,620 crore from the earlier Rs 767 crore. The decision was taken at a meeting of the Union Cabinet chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh here.
In another decision, the Cabinet also approved a proposal of the Department of Industrial Policy & Promotion, Ministry of Commerce and Industry to permit all payments for royalty, lump-sum fee for transfer of technology, payments for use of trademark and brand name on the automatic route without any restrictions, and subject to FEMA (Current Account Transaction) Rules, 2000.
Briefing newsmen after the cabinet meeting Information and Broadcasting Minister Ambika Soni said, “The cabinet approved the proposal of the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports for providing a revised budget of Rs.1,620 crore, as loan to the Organising Committee (OC) of the Commonwealth Games, 2010, at the prevailing government rate of interest.”
Soni said the Organising Committee hoped that “against the approved revised estimates it is expected to generate a revenue of about Rs.1,708 crore”.
Soni said many factors have contributed to increase in the amounts proposed in the revised estimates. “Sponsorship and TV rights, security, sustainability and environment, and ticketing” included in the revised proposal, were among the main factors raising the budget, the minister said.
The minister said that there had been no provision earlier for certain essential items for the successful delivery of the games.
“The components of rent for organising headquarters, technology which were practically nil in the initial budget, are now around Rs 175 crore and Rs 200 crore respectively. These have also contributed substantially to the increase,” she said.
Delhi would be hosting the 19th Commonwealth Games from October 3 to 14, 2010, in 17 sporting disciplines. Competitions will also be held for Elite Athletes with Disability.
Courtesy : http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091106/main4.htm
C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Happy Hindu ,
I will be ‘ happy ‘ when Mr.’Happy’ Hindu , staunch follower of the rapist , racist and fascist Gods , will find something to expose me . I never claimed that I am perfect . But I claimed that I would throw the rapist , racist and fascist Gods in the gutter .
It is true that Mr. M.K. Gandhi was a socio-political terrorist .When he was thrown out of the train in the South Africa , he felt humiliated .But when the untouchables of India got a separate identity recognition by the Communal Award , he took fast un-to-death to derecognize it . Why ? I am going to purchase Mr. Gandhi`s writtings in 100 vols. published by the Publication Division of India to expose the Rashtarpita of the Hindu Rashtra .
As far concerned with my ancestral claim that the Sanskrit is the language of the aboriginal Indians , my reasoning could not be challenged by you .You counter me with reasoning and proofs not by abusive language . To-day , I purchased four books on language research . One in English titled ‘ Grierson on Punjabi ‘ . Three in Punjabi – Dr.Muhieodeen Quadri Zore’s Bharati Bhasha Vigyaan , Babu Ram Saxena’s Bhasha Vigyaan and Dr. P.D. Gune’ Tulnatmik Bhasha Vigyaan published by the Language Deptt. , Punjab ,Patiala . I will prove that the Sanskrit is the language of the aboriginal Indians in which our ancestors wrote literature .
No one can pressurize to change one’s name .What is wrong in my name ? You change your bent of mind and discard the rapist , racist and fascist Gods .
hh said
Chumber,
Stop talking to me unless you provide your details.
Am not interested in knowing what books you buy or about your knowledge of sanskrit or any such rubbish.
You are just khaali-sthan trash and need to be jailed for your links and inciting sedition.
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear Kumarpushp ,
You wrote ,” Dear chumber ji,Why SC/ST/lower OBC are supporting the shiv sena and BJP because they donot know their power. ” I can dare to annyalize that the non- Brahmins are also Brahmins mentally . They and their present leadertship never differentiated from the manuwadis in actions . The so-called Bamcef intelligentia never raised a voice in favour of Shaid-e-azam Kanshi Ram when he was struggling for life .
Sahib Kanshi Ram struggled hard to nullified the Poona Pact . We still not understand the relevancy of the Communal Award announced on 18th August , 1932 . Our some flickering minded people celebrate the Poona Pact but never the Communal Award . Why ? Mr. M.K. Gandhi won by the Poona Pact which Dr. Dr. Ambedkar and Rao Bahadur Srinivasin gained by the Communal Award ! Every aboriginal Indian must read and understand daily Dr. Ambedkar’s book ‘ What Congress and Gandhi have done to the untouchables .’
The political parties of the aboriginal Indians – Akali Dal , Shiv Sena , BSP , JD ( U ) , Samajwadi Party , Telgu Desham , DMK , AIADMK , CPI , CPM etc must join hands to form a non-congress and non-BJP government at centre to liberate the aboriginal Indians from the slavery of the Indo Aryans .
Br. Baba Sahib Ambedkar declared two enemies of the aboriginal Indians – capitalism and the brahminism . Sahib Kanshi Ram built a big movement to counter these both but they joined hands at the global level . The manuwadis invited the foreigner capitalists / MNCs and denatinalised the govt. institutions to nullified the reservation in jobs for aboriginal Indians . The global capitalists deputed their agent Manmohan Singh as the finance minister under a brahmin PM Mr. Narsimha Rao of India . Mr. Manmohan Singh was never elected even a panch or sarpanch .Mr. PV Narsimha Rao was denied a congress ticket for Lok Sabha election by his congress party . But the same Mr. Rao was the PM of India after Mr. Rajiv’s death ! How ? Why ? Who made him the PM of India ?
Mr. Manmohan Singh upgraded as PM of India in 2004 AD who lost the lok sabha election . What a democratic tragedy in the biggist ever so called democratic country India . A rootless person politically is the PM of India !
In 2008 AD , Mr. Barrack Hussain Obama elected as the president of US . The Indo-Aryans joined in his cabinet . Is this not a certified global proof that the capitalists and the manuwadis joined hands globally .
In 2009 AD , the global capitalists and the manuwadis joined hands to finish the third front during the Lok Sabha general election . The RSS sabotaged BJP to stabilize the congress .
The aboriginal Indians must touch the socio-economic issues . Thanks .
C. L .CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
I am in the Maharashtra state on my family programme .I reached here on 15th November , 2009 .I will also do my field research work for my proposed books which will be published in English , Hindi , Punjabi and Marathi languages .The Maharashtra state is the cradle of the meadeval period Bhakati movement .It also produced many socio-economic revolutionaries in the modern period .Although shahid-e-azam sahib Kanshi Ram was a Punjabi but he initiated his movement from Pune ( Maharashtra ) to nullified the Gandhi – Ambedkar pact which is also known as the Pune Pact .
Our university level research scholars workonly in the libraries only .That is why , they do not know the ground realities .This is my seventh tour of this state since 1986 AD.
Gurunathan said
The indus valley civilization did not die because of aryans coming to that place. You guys need to read new book, thesis, research. You guys are stuck to some thesis initially formed by the colonial british raj. It is believed that there was some natural catostrophy that happened which made people to move to the plains of Ganga. That is why while Mohanjadero and Harappa are 5000 years old, the city of Varanasi is 2000 years old.
Whatever the case may be, I am proud to be a Brahmin. Inspite of 60 years of suppression Dravidians are unable to suppress our expansion in knowledge and growth.
But inspite of 60 Years of appraising, by Periyar and Anna who were actually hooligans, Majority of the dravidians still live in abject poverty. This is because for 60 years they have just been bashing Brahmins for their injustice, but they have hardly done anything to improve the state of the people. And it is never going to improve. These Dravidian will still be endlessly trying to play the SC/ST cards and will be sucking. It is evident in movies, you guys cant bear a dark looking tamil actress. You guys go for fair looking north indian actresses who can hardly speak the “Dravidian language”.
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE RESERVATION MUST CONTINUE AS LONG AS THE CASTE IS NOT ANNIHILATED
Dear Sarang ,
We do not want reservation in cricket or in govt. jobs if the bent of minds of the selection committee is not manuwadi .There must be no public schools so that the students may read in the same governments schools.There should be no tution centres and coaching institutions .The manuwadis and their govts. still issue awards in the name of Arjuna who was not meritorious as compared to Eklavya . The manuwadis and their govts. still isuue awards in the name of Daronacharya who did not permitted addmission to shudra Eklavya .When the great Eklavya self studied and was perfect more than Arjuna , the manuwadis cutted off his right hand’s thumb to made him handicap .
First of all , Shiva ji’s deceadant Shahu ji Maharaj of Kohlapur ( Maharshtra ) implemented reservation for the non-Brahmins on 26th July , 2001in his state Kohlapur .Then Mr. M.K.Gandhi and Dr. Ambedkar signed a pact on 24th September , 1932 at Pune to admit the untouchables / SCs as part of the Hindus and reservation for them in govt jobs .The reservation is not a concession to this class .This is the share of this class in the jobs .
THE RESERVATION MUST CONTINUE AS LONG AS THE CASTE IS NOT ANNIHILATED
sarang said
November 16, 2009 @ 7:55 am
So brother you want reservation in the cricket
OK cancel the reservation in the gov. job or in education any one of them
& take it in cricket.
Note: Jab koi compitision se darta hai tab reservation ki bat karta hai,
Reservation Ke 60 sal ho gai hai aur kitnr sal hona
C . L . CHUMBER said
THE BRAHMINS AS COMMUNITY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO CREATE HURDELS IN IMPLEMENTING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE TRUE DEMOCRACY .
* YOU MAY BE PROUD OF A BRAHMIN BUT WE ARE PROUD TO BE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
WHAT KINDS OF NEW KNOWLEDGE YOU BRAHMINS HAVE AQUIRED IN 60 YEARS AND BEFORE THIS WHICH IS USEFUL FOR THE HUMANITY .HOW MUCH NOBLE PRIZES BRAHMINS HAVE WON ?
* Please let us know why you are proud to be a Brahmin
* Dear Brahmin guy ! your good self have nothing to say which we can notice .You are only boasting to be a Brahmin .You must be proud of an Indian citizen !!!!! .
* Shiv ji ‘s temples are every where in India but Brahma’s temple is no where except Pushkar .Why ?
* There was no natural catostrophy . The English men advanced from south and east towards the north and west of India to capture India .The Indo Aryans like Mughals advanced from west to North-east-south sides
* They ( Brahmin Pandas ) are still enjoying sexually the Bengali widdows
Gurunathan said
November 20, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
( ! ) The indus valley civilization did not die because of aryans coming to that place. You guys need to read new book, thesis, research. You guys are stuck to some thesis initially formed by the colonial british raj. It is believed that there was some natural catostrophy that happened which made people to move to the plains of Ganga. That is why while Mohanjadero and Harappa are 5000 years old, the city of Varanasi is 2000 years old.
MY (C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : Neither the Indus valley civilisation died
nor the Indo-Aryans died .The desecandants of the aboriginal Indians are still fighting with the Indo-Aryans whether they ( desecandants of the aboriginal Indians )are converted to the Islam or the Sikh religion or the Adi-Dharam or the Buddhism or what soever their religion .The Indo-Arayans not only destroyed the cities of the Indus Valley civilisation but they also enslaved the aboriginal Indians till date .The Indo-Aryans ‘ leaders M/s Gandhi , Neharu , Bal Ganga Dhar Tilak also admitted that they were Indo-Aryans in their writings ! You can not erase these writings . I wrote an article titled ‘ who say Aryans are not foreigners ? ‘ in first ever souvenir in 1985 AD on Babu Mangu Ram Muggowalia founder of the Adi-Dharam edited and published by myself .In this research article I quoted the writings of these Indo-Aryans ‘ leaders M/s Gandhi , Neharu , Bal Ganga Dhar Tilak and many others with references .No one dared to challenge me till date .
As for as your writing ” You guys need to read new book, thesis, research. You guys are stuck to some thesis initially formed by the colonial british raj. ” is concerned , I advise you to read the research book on Indus Valley Civilisation written by Mr. Naval Viyogi in Hindi and in English distributed by the international level publisher on Indology M/s Moti Lala Banarsi Dss , New Delhi .
The Varanasi was the capital / head quarter of Shiv ji aboriginal Indian icon .The Indo-Aryans ‘ leader / king Brahma made his capital at Pushkar in Rajasthan state of India . Shiv ji ‘s temples are every where in India but Brahma’s temple is no where except Pushkar .Why ? I wrote somewhere about this episode in detail in this esteemed blog https://dalitnation.wordpress.com .
You wrote ” It is believed that there was some natural catostrophy that happened which made people to move to the plains of Ganga. ” There was no natural catostrophy .The English men advanced from south and east towards the north and west of India to capture India .The Indo Aryans like Mughals advanced from west to North-east-south sides and they built Indo-Aryan temples to propogate their philosophy to crush thThe English men advanced e aboriginal Indians .They debarred the aboriginals to enter the temples , study and even to walk on the commom roads .They ( Indo-Aryans ) made their lifves worst than a hell .They invented the DEV DASSI SYSTEM to enjoy sexually the daughters of the aboriginal Indians .They ( Brahmin Pandas ) are still enjoying sexually the Bengali widdows of the so called higher castes in Varanasi and Mathura both Indo-Aryan religious places in Uttar Pardesh state .
( 2 ) Whatever the case may be, I am proud to be a Brahmin. Inspite of 60 years of suppression Dravidians are unable to suppress our expansion in knowledge and growth.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : Please let us know why you are proud to be a Brahmin. What is the definition of a Brahmin varna ? There is also divisions in Brahmins also ! Which category do you belong ? There are superior and inferior Brahmoins ! Are you inferior or superior brahmin and what is its basis ? What kinds of suppressions on Brahminms ? Are they debarred from education ? Are they debarred from franchising ? Are they debarred from walking on common roads ? Are they debarred in government jobs ? Are they debarred their constitutional rights to have property or right of expression or right to adopt any religion ?
YOU MAY BE PROUD OF A BRAHMIN BUT WE ARE PROUD TO BE ABORIGINAL INDIANS !!!!!
WHAT KINDS OF NEW KNOWLEDGE YOU BRAHMINS HAVE AQUIRED IN 60 YEARS AND BEFORE THIS WHICH IS USEFUL FOR THE HUMANITY .HOW MUCH NOBLE PRIZES BRAHMINS HAVE WON ?
( 3 ) But inspite of 60 Years of appraising, by Periyar and Anna who were actually hooligans, Majority of the dravidians still live in abject poverty. This is because for 60 years they have just been bashing Brahmins for their injustice, but they have hardly done anything to improve the state of the people. And it is never going to improve. These Dravidian will still be endlessly trying to play the SC/ST cards and will be sucking. It is evident in movies, you guys cant bear a dark looking tamil actress. You guys go for fair looking north indian actresses who can hardly speak the “Dravidian language”.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : Dear Brahmin guy ! you are the worshipers of the rapist , racist and fascist evil Gods. That is why revered Periyar and Anna were against the Brahminism .They were not terrorists . They were socio-economic democratic and constitutional revolutionaries . They wanted to establish constitutional equality , equity , quality , liberty , fratenity and justice to every Indian citizen ! They were not against any caste , creed , gender and religion . They were against the evils and the evil persons to establish the constitutional ideal society .. Is it not true ?
Your good self wrote ” this is because for 60 years they have just been bashing Brahmins for their injustice, but they have hardly done anything to improve the state of the people. And it is never going to improve. ” Did the Brahmins ever appologised for their injustice done to the aboriginal Indians ? Did the Brahmins as community changed their bent of minds ? Did the well educated Brahmin community ever discarded their rapist , racist and fascist Gods ? What is doing the Brahmin community for the non-Brahmins ? There is negative answers and THE BRAHMINS AS COMMUNITY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO CREATE HURDELS IN IMPLEMENTING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE TRUE DEMOCRACY .
As far concern your blame ” they have hardly done anything to improve the state of the people. And it is never going to improve .” It is the foremost duty of the state to improve the state of their citizens .The aboriginal Indians have captured the political powers in many states of India during the last 60 years and the condition of the aboriginal Indians have improved but not satisfactory .They succeded in capturing the chief justice post of the Supreme Court of India . They succeded in capturing the post of the Rashtarpatis . Even they captured the posts of deputy prime minister , home minister , defence minister also .
Babu Jagjivan Ram , deputy PM of India had full majority to prove it on the floor of the parliament .But the day he was expected to prove it , the nominated PM of India recommended to dissolve the LokSabha so that Babu ji could not became PMof India . Next Shahid-e-azam Saheb Kanshi Ram tried his best to capture the post of Prime Minister but he was offered the presidentship ( Rashtarpati ) of India but he denied .He did speech in the Lok Sabha regarding this offer in presence of Mr. AB Vajpayee then PM of India . He was abducted and killed as he wanted to be PM of India .We are determined to improve the socio-economic state of the Indian society by capturing the state power democratically .
I also want to comment on your blame also . Your blame is ” It is evident in movies, you guys cant bear a dark looking tamil actress. You guys go for fair looking north indian actresses who can hardly speak the “Dravidian language”.”
Dear Brahmin guy ! we are neither producing nor directing these movies .You Indo-Aryans are producing and directing these movies. We have neither radio / FM stations nor TV channels .We are only audiences and we are compelled to watch what you Indo-Aryans present us on TVs / radios / FMs / theaters . Is it not true ?
Dear Brahmin guy ! your good self have nothing to say which we can notice .You are only boasting to be a Brahmin .You must be proud of an Indian citizen !!!!!
C . L . CHUMBER said
ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES INCLUDING BSP ARE MANUWADI POLITICAL TEAMS .THE CONGRESS AND BJP ARE PLAYING A PASSING GAME TO BEFOOL THE VOTERS OVER TINY AND USELESS ISSUES .THE CONGRESS ORDERED ARMY TO ATTACK AT THE GOLDEN TEMPLE BUT THE SAME CONGRESS COULD NOT SAVE THE BABARI MOSQUE . WHY ? BOTH THE CONGRESS AND BJP KILLED IN THOUSANDS THE INDIAN CITIZENS IN DELHI AND GUJARAT RESPECTIVELY . THEY BOTH AND MAYAWATI CAUCUS KILLED A BIGGEST EVER INDIAN DEMOCRATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHEB KANSHI RAM . – C.L.CHUMBER
CENTRE TO EXPEDITE MOSQUE DEMOLITION CASE
By Neena Vyas and J. Venkatesan
ACTION TAKEN REPORT SAYS SPECIAL COURTS TO TRY COMMUNAL RIOT CASES UNDER CONSIDERATION .
ENACTMENT OF A COMMUNAL VIOLENCE BILL BEING CONSIDERED .
NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO PROSECUTE ANYONE .
NEW DELHI: The 13-page Action Taken Report tabled in Parliament on Tuesday, along with the report of the Liberhan Commission that probed the Babri Masjid demolition, said the government accepted the recommendation for a law to prevent misuse of religion.
The government “accepted” recommendations 1.7 and 1.9 for “a special separate law providing exemplary punishment for misuse of religion, caste, etc.,” and that there was need for “swift prosecution and effective implementation of the law…”
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : There is already provision that the Election Commission of India must take action against the religious activeties of the Political leaders .But the officers of the commission are lethargic and they could not take action against the irresponsible leaders especially the BJP leaders of Ram Janam Bhumi movement .
Ms Mayawati as CM of UP did not permit to start criminal cases against Mr. Advani company . Why ? It confirms that Mayawati is the stooge of the anti-constitutional manuwadi elements .
Who will break this unconstitutional alliance of the political parties ?
( 2 ) The government also accepted a recommendation that the Election Commission take serious note of complaints by citizens of misuse of religious sentiments by political parties through an appeal to their faith. The ATR says the government will refer the matter to the Election Commission.
It said enactment of a Communal Violence Bill to prevent and control riots and setting up special courts to deal with them were under consideration.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : The election commision is the ADDA of the Brahminist Pandas . It did never take action against BJP’ s unconstitutional religious activeties .Why ? Mr. Advani several times claimed that BJP would construct the Ram Mandir Temple if the BJP came to power . What did action taken against BJP by the election commission and other law enforcing agencies .IT REGISTERED AN FIR AGAINST MR. HANS RAJ HANS AN AKALI DAL ( BADAL ) CANDIDATE FROM JALANDHAR ( RESERVE ) LOK SABHA SEAT .HIS FAULT WAS THAT HE DELIVERED A SPEACH IN THE GURDWARA .
( 3 ) The ATR makes no reference to the indictment of top BJP leaders, including L.K. Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi, Kalyan Singh and leaders of various Sangh Parivar outfits made in the report.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES INCLUDING BSP ARE MANUWADI POLITICAL TEAMS .THE CONGRESS AND BJP ARE PLAYING A PASSING GAME TO BEFOOL THE VOTERS OVER TINY AND USELESS ISSUES .THE CONGRESS ORDERED ARMY TO ATTACK AT THE GOLDEN TEMPLE BUT THE SAME CONGRESS COULD NOT SAVE THE BABARI MOSQUE . WHY ? BOTH THE CONGRESS AND BJP KILLED IN THOUSANDS THE INDIAN CITIZENS IN DELHI AND GUJARAT RESPECTIVELY . THEY BOTH AND MAYAWATI CAUCUS KILLED A BIGGEST EVER INDIAN DEMOCRATE SHAHID-E-AZAM SAHEB KANSHI RAM .
( 4 ) The Commission said the constitutional scheme to separate religion from politics was intended to insulate issues of governance from those of theology.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : This is alredy exists .A political activist filed a case against the ruling Akali Dal in a court at Hoshiarpur for Akali Dal ( Badal ) contesting SGPC election .This activist submitted two constitutions of the Akali Dal to the court which Akali Dal submitted to the chief election commission and the Gurdwara Judicial Commission .
( 5 ) The government said it would “take steps to expedite” the hearing of existing cases related to the demolition of the Babri Masjid in the special courts in Rae Bareli and Lucknow.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : It is a legislative joke ! Seventeen years have been passed .The Justice delayed is justice denied !
( 6 ) The recommendations cover 19 pages and are grouped under seven main heads, each with several clauses. There is no specific recommendation to prosecute anyone.
The report itself indicts 68 persons but the recommendations do not point to even a single name fit for prosecution or any other action.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : There is a Punjabi proverb ” Kutti Choraan naalmili hoyee hai .” The guarding bitch is in conievance with the thieves !
( 7 ) In response to recommendations relating to weeding out communal elements in recruitment to civil and police services and not allowing them to seek political patronage, the government simply “noted” the recommendation and said the procedure of review of an officer’s performance would be strengthened.
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : What is doing to filter the democracy to save it from unconstitutional elements ‘ entry in the politics ?
( 8 ) The government agreed with the recommendation that Parliament, the Legislatures, the elected governments and the political parties must rededicate themselves to ensure a secular India, whether by strengthening the existing provisions in the Codes of Conduct or in election related laws. The ATR says, “Whether the code of conduct and whether election-related laws require amendments will be referred to the Election Commission.”
MY ( C.L.CHUMBER ) ANSWER IS : THE LAW ENFORCING AGENCIES HAVE LOST THEIR INTEGRITY .THE UPA GOVERNMENT HEADED BY A SIKH PM COULD NOT DELIVER JUSTICE TO THE FAMILIES OF THE THOUSANDS SIKHS WHO WERE KILLED BY THE CONGRESS .
Courtsey : http://www.hindu.com/2009/11/25/stories/2009112558510100.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN NOT ONLY THE RSS BUT ALSO THE ENTIRE HINDU SOCIETY HAVE TO REPENT FOR BABARI MOSQUE`S DEMOLITION !!!!!
Dear viewers ,
It is established fact that both the Congress government at the centre and the BJP government at Lucknow did nothing to stop the demolition by the RSS .If the Congress` centre government dismissed the BJP`s U.P., M.P. and Rajasthan governments , the president of India mist dismissed the Congress` government at the the centre as the both BJP and Congress governments were equal rsponsible for the demolition of the Babari Mosque .
Mrs. Indira Gandhi ordered to demolish the Akal Takhat , Amritsar by indian army`s blue star operation .Mr. Atal Behari ajpayee described her as Durga .S. Parkash Singh Badal condemned the blue star operation . Now the same Vajpayee and his BJP and Mr. Badal`s SAD ( Badal ) are ruling the Punjab .
Now the RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat said ,” There is no question for the Sangh to RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. (AP Photo) regret for what had happened and maintained that their full support to the “Ram temple movement” will continue. ” It means that RSS do not recognizes the constitution and the laws of the land .
He continued ,” Whatever happened was connected with the movement for the construction of the Ram temple. The sentiments of the karsewaks were hurt that also included many Muslims. So the question for the RSS to regret does not arise,”
Mr. Mohan Bhagat must know that King Ram of the Ayodya dynasty was the incarnation of Vishanu who raped pious and innocent Adi-Mata Varinda w/o Adi-Maha Bhagwan Jalandhar .King am banished his innocent and pious wife Sita and murdered innocent and pious Shudre aint Shambuk . Sita and Shambhuk`s followers have also sentiments . ONE DAY WILL COME WHEN NOT ONLY THE RSS BUT ALSO THE ENTIRE HINDU SOCIETY HAVE TO REPENT FOR BABARI MOSQUE`S DEMOLITION !!!!!
No question of regretting Babri Masjid demolition: RSS
PTI 5 December 2009, 03:04pm ISTText Size:|Topics:RSS
Babri Masjid
CHANDIGARH: Seventeen years after the Babri Masjid was pulled down, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Saturday said there was no question for the Sangh to RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. (AP Photo) regret for what had happened and maintained that their full support to the “Ram temple movement” will continue.
Addressing a meet-the-press programme here, Bhagwat said the pulling down of the structure was not any conspiracy, but a spontaneous reaction from the karsewaks “whose sentiments and emotions had been hurt”.
“Whatever happened was connected with the movement for the construction of the Ram temple. The sentiments of the karsewaks were hurt that also included many Muslims. So the question for the RSS to regret does not arise,” he said.
Without naming any one he said, “afsos jinko karna chahiye woh karein” (those who ought to regret, should do so).
When asked to name any prominent Muslim leader who participated in the “karsewa” on December 6, the day when the mosque was brought down, Bhagwat said, “There were many Muslims. Prominent names that I can remember include (senior BJP leader) Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and another leader from Mumbai, Muzaffar Hussain”.
He stressed that the Sangh’s full support to the Ram temple movement, which was being run by Sant Mahatama religious leaders), will continue as it had extended its support in the past. “The Sangh works as per their direction,” he added.
“Whether Ram temple will be built with the support of the government or through any court directive or by change of heart (consensus among different sections of people), but we are committed to this (the movement for its construction),” he said.
He said in fact after the 1992 Babri Masjid demolition the interaction of the Sangh with other communities, including the Muslims and the Christians increased.
“Our intentions are clear. We have no enmity with any community,” Bhagwat said, adding that the Sangh has not been properly understood by the people.
“To understand the Sangh one has to come in its fold for a couple of years. The taste of sugar is felt only after eating it,” he said.
Bhagwat said that propaganda against the Sangh is also creating misconceptions about the organisation. “Now the misconceptions about the Sangh are being removed,” he said adding that his media interaction here, the first ‘Meet the Press’ programme by any RSS sanghchalak was also a step in the direction of clearing the misconceptions.
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C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear Viewers ,
The Indo-Aryan fundamentalist RSS` English weekly the Organiser , New Delhi
,December 27, 2009 published an article which we reproduce for the sake of information as below :
A FORGOTTEN CHAPTER OF ANCIENT INDIA
Aryan tribes and Dramila societies coexisted and interacted for mutual benefit
By MR Mallya
As Tamil developed, combined with the Indo-Aryan it produced a literary tradition in Maharashtrian Prakrit of which the Sattasai is the most famous example. This southern literature was so rich that its ideas and conventions were probably taken by such great Sanskrit poets as Kalidasa and made into an integral part of the new Sanskrit tradition.
Ancient India has often been pictured as Dravidians occupying the Indus civilisation, while the Aryans were supposed to have come later, displacing them southwards. The history of North India was given prominence, with the Rig Veda, Mahabharata, the Buddha, Alexander and the Mauryan empire.
There was some reference to Cankam literature in the far South (Pandya) but none was sure of the ancient dates. Tamil land i.e. South India was rarely mentioned in the history textbooks until the Pallavas and the Kadambas formed their kingdoms. The Mahabharata refers to Pandya kings. So also Ashoka’s inscriptions refer to Chera, Pandya and Cholas as border kingdoms that must have existed about 300 BC.
The South with Dravidian culture was interacting with the North even from early times of the Rig Veda and Panini. It produced the old Tamil grammar Tolkappiyam. Some Dravidian loanwords figure in Rig Vedic time, that must have happened as early as 1500BC. This early interaction is hardly touched upon by historians in the north who do not known old Tamil. But scholars who known Tamil and Sanskrit mention valuable data for writing our ancient history, enriching both civilisations.
Unfortunately these studies have been isolated as literary studies to be compared with Sanskrit, Prakrit, etc. One ought to regard it as part of ancient history in its sociopolitical narration, as now suggested.
An interesting book Passages: Relationships between Tamil and Sanskrit edited by Kannan M and Jennifer Claire, Pondicherry, that outlines the profound and intimate relationship of Sanskrit and Tamil from very early times till the age of the Cholas, has been published by the ‘Institute Francais de Pondicherry’ in collaboration with the Dept. of Tamil Chair, South East Asian Studies, University of California, Berkeley, the USA 2009. It contains valuable articles by scholars in the field Indian or foreign.
It will be rather narrow to regard it as merely dealing with the interaction of two languages, instead of a fruitful interaction of two civilisations from the time of the Vedas to the present.
We have been unfortunately brought up on the notion of Aryan conquerors versus Dravidian civilisation and even to this day there is an academic debate whether the Indus script is Dravidian or Aryan. If the two communities coexisted and interacted with each other and they were slowly evolving scripts like Tamil Brahmi and Prakrit/ Sanskrit Brahmi in different areas of the vast Indus Saraswati civilisation, there should be no difficulty in understanding the variation in scripts that adds to the richness of ancient Bharat. This is the unconscious message that the various articles in the book give the reader. That it is emanating from Tamil scholars who often know Sanskrit, confirms it.
In the above book the articles including the foreword and introduction by the Editors and essays of I Mahadevan, George Hart, Leslie Orr, etc. convinces us of the coexistence and interaction of the two cultures from an early era. I have attempted to summarise the salient features of their remarks as aiding in a proper reconstruction of ancient Indian history.
(One need not get entangled in certain claims from both sides of having contributed considerably to the other culture. We can leave it to literary pundits and concentrate on the essentials of Tamil Sanskrit interaction and History)
Early stage of Tamilakam
Mahadevan: The earliest contact between Dravidian Indo-Aryan is evidenced by a few Dravidian loanwords in the Rig Veda. (1500 BC).
Correspondingly, Indo-Aryan loanwords form Prakrit and Sanskrit occur in Tamil Cankam literature (200 BC-200 AD).
Recently large number of coins, seals and rings have been unearthed at river beds of Amaravati near Karur, and South Pennar and Vaigai. The legends are mostly in Tamil and some are in Prakrit. They pertain to 3/2nd century BC and later. At that time the Tamil script was modified from the Brahmi to suit the phonetic pattern of Tamil.
Jean Filliozat: Tamil of course is an ancient language, parallel to Sanskrit from whom loanwords have been borrowed now and then, as also from Prakrit but its literature was autonomous. That does not mean absence of fruitful contacts with Prakrit, and Sanskrit.
The Tamil grammar Tolkappiyam does indicate some knowledge of Vedic Pratisakhyas and of the Nirukta. These were utilised with a fine feeling of the genius of the Tamil language different from Sanskrit.
Another parallel adoption was an ideal akin to Dharma of Ashoka. It was the general and universal good order typified in Buddhist forms, but also in Brahmanical ideas of cosmic, social and ethical norms like Rta. This was the composite creed of Ashoka.
Parallel to it was the Tirukkural, an admirable book on the practice of virtue, where Aram is mentioned without any sectarian bias, an ideal of good order of universal interest.
Tamil had developed autonomously, with its own poetry. But on other matters of knowledge books in Sanskrit were of use in the South.
George L Hart: In a large measure, the history of South Asia is the story of the interaction of the Dravidian and Aryan languages and their cultures, from as early as the Rig Veda. Though Tamil was autonomous and developed independently they borrowed from each other and it is impossible to determine which the source is.
By the time of Cankam literature around the first century, the Indio Aryan languages had started to impinge on the Southern Dravidian languages.
In certain areas Tamil folk literature was enriched by sophisticated musical and performative elements that has been later refined as Carnatic music, Bharatnatayam, etc.
As Tamil developed, combined with the Indo-Aryan it produced a literary tradition in Maharashtrian Prakrit of which the Sattasai is the most famous example. This southern literature was so rich that its ideas and conventions were probably taken by such great Sanskrit poets as Kalidasa and made into an integral part of the new Sanskrit tradition.
The Sanskrit, Tamil and North Indian tradition made deep inroads to produce the great poems of Alwars and Nayanaars. This awakening of religion that flourished in the South was, exported back to the North were it produced many saints and poets who enriched modern Hinduism.
The situation in Chera (Kerala)
MR Raghava Varrier: In Chera the social impact was somewhat different though both were Dravidian. Sanskrit influenced Chera in a major way. When an early Chera king eulogised for having performed a yajna ritual for progeny, it means that his ideal changed into that of a chief of the Vedic time. As the custodians of the Vedic ritual forms that were taken seriously by the kings, the Brahmins became a principal group in the society.
In Chera the brahmanical agama temple worship became common and also the natysastra which slowly evolved to Kathakali.
Following the above changes, Manipravalam, a hybid literary style of Sanskrit and Malayalam made its appearance on the Kerala literary scene and marked a separate stage in the literary history of Malayalam. The use of Manipravalam was as a medium for traditional scientific knowledge of ancient India such as Rastratantra, (political science) Ayur Veda, (health science), Jyotirganita (astronomy), Vastuvidiya (architecture), etc.
In short, the cultural contact of the South with the North in general and Kerala in particular was wider than what is generally believed..
It is from the Grantha characters that the Malayalam alphabet developed.
We have made a brief survey of the sociopolitical happenings in the South of Ancient India before the Southern kingdoms came to be formed and when Brahmanical and Sanskrit influences became more prominent.
This early impact needs to be given importance in ancient Indian history as reflecting aspects of a composite culture from very early times, regardless of whether Aryans were indigenous or were migrants from outside India.
(The writer can be contacted at Chaitanya, 120, Grihalakshami Colony, 2nd stage, 3rd Main, Kamla Nagar, Bengaluru-560 079)
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C . L . CHUMBER said
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C . L . CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
The Tribune , Chandigarh ,Sunday, December 13, 2009 published the book review under title ” The marvels of Indus Valley by Mr. Kuldip Dhiman ” of the book ” Harappan Technology and its Legacy written by Mr. D. P. Agrawal.The publisher of this book is the Rupa & Co. in Association with Infinity Foundation.
Its pages are 332 and the price is not mentioned.For the review , please click :
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091213/spectrum/book2.htm
C.L.CHUMBER said
Dear viewers ,
The RSS’ weekly the Organiser , January 03, 2010 published an article ‘
Caste: Some thoughts ‘ written by MSN Menon to ‘ think It Over ‘ as below which predicts the latest thinking of the RSS .- C.L.Chumber
CASTE SOME THOUGHTS BY MSN MENON
Krishna says in the Gita: “The four-fold caste system has been created by me according to the differentiation of gunas and karma.” If so, the present caste system is a grotesque parody of the original intention.
There are, three gunas: Satvic, Rajasik and Tamasik. The nature (character) of a person is made, Krishna seems to say, by the way the gunas combine in man. Naturally, men are born unequal and they remain unequal. The Greeks, too, divided men into three categories: wise, courageous and temperate.
But Thiruvalluvar says in the Thiru Kural: “all men are born equal. What makes them different are their occupations”. Who is right-Krishna or Thiruvalluvar? Of course, Krishna; if the nature (character, personality) of a man is made up of gunas and they are combined differently in men, they cannot be equal. And it is the proportion in which the gunas are combined that determines whether a man will be wise, courageous or temperate.
Thiruvalluvar was a weaver like Kabir. The Kural, which is almost as old as the Vedas, is a collection of 1330 maxims. It is clear from Thiruvalluvar’s life that spiritual progress has nothing to do with the social status of a person. He called upon people to opt for an occupation which one could do in a praise-worthy manner. What about the occupations that are not praise-worthy?
While Thiruvalluvar believed that one could choose one’s caste, Krishna says: “Better one’s own duty (to which one is born), though devoid of merit, than the duty of another. Thus Krishna condemned men to their hereditary castes for ever. Men have been in the caste trap ever since.
Caste has been a controversial subject ever since its inception. The Brahmins themselves refused to accept the division of work, which denied them the right to work as doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. these dissenters were called Lautikas. And those who stood by the orthodox position were called Vedikas.
Manu wanted to prevent confusion in the caste system. He was, therefore, strict. Which is why he imposed punishments on those who violated the system. No doubt, he added to the mischief.
During the Vedic age, the concept of caste was vague. There was no definite opinion on the nature of caste or on its origin. Thus, in a dialogue between Brigu and Bharadwaja (architects of the Vedas) the former opined that caste differences arose from skin colour. Bharadwaja disagreed. He said that there were so many variations of skin colours even within a caste that colour could not be the basis of caste. It is clear from this dialogue that all legends and myths about the origin of caste must be treated as false.
Much has been made of the so-called cruelty of Manu, especially against the lower orders of society. Some correction is called for here. It is seldom spoken that Manu was the man who changed the system of trial by ordeal-the most ghastly judicial system known to man, to trial by a set procedure. This is why Sir William Jones and others spoke highly on the role of Manu in the advance of the Indian judicial system. Even James Mill, the imperialist historian, says: “They (Manu laws) display a degree of excellence far beyond what is exemplified in the more enlightened countries. Two more facts: In Syria, the king used to flay the skin of his victims before they were massacred. In Rome, they were thrown to the lions or kept in the dungeons till death after blinding them. And in our own times, we have the “gas chambers” of the Nazis. I do not think that Manu’s punishments were more ghastly. Manu should be known as a reformer.
Caste had no authority. Even the writers of the Vedas were not clear about its merits. Mahavira did not accept it. Nor did the Buddha. Which is why admitted into his Sangha Upali, the barber, Sunita, the scavenger, Punna the slave girl and Ambapali, the courtesan. The Buddhists believed that caste blinds the moral imagination.
There is a belief that Manu was partial to the Brahmins. No, he was not. In fact, he made an example of the Brahmins by imposing severe restrictions of their life. The balance of forces, we are told between castes was maintained by enforcing on Brahmins the duty of study, teaching and worship. Manu forbade the Brahmins from trading and other gainful occupation. Brahmins, who tended cattle, who traded, who practised mechanical arts were to be treated as Shudras, Manu said.
In Manu Samhita, the seniority of a Brahmin was declared to be neither birth nor age nor wealth, but knowledge. It is stated in the Mahabharata that it was not pedigree or class but by deeds that one became a Brahmin. Even a Chandala can become a Brahmin by his good deeds.
To conclude, “No religion on the earth, “says Vivekananda, “preach the dignity of humanity in such a lofty strain as Hinduism and no religion on earth treads upon the poor and the low in such a fashion as Hinduism.”
Dear reader, are we to condemn Hinduism for this ghastly error? No. Why? Because it is what alone makes us proud.
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Ravanan.K said
Anyhow time is begin to fuck all Brahmins
sukracharya said
ravanan,
U know wat?
The demon king of ramayana by ur name was the son of a brahmin sage.
hope u r happy wth that
Shah Alam said
Who was civilized and who was invedor is not matter in the decaying capitalism. Capitalism & only capitlaism is the the enemy of modernity and freedom of humanity; because labour has produce value but capitalist class exploit the the value by dint of private ownership of property. If there is no private propety there is no proverty, no expliotation, no class, no state, no army-police, no court, no boader and boundary and there is no killing only peace and eternal peace. Lenin cheat and betraying Marx, So I.M.F the world lord and there is all misseries for working people. Only the solution avoied all nesty debate about so called civilization or invassion which defeated by Capitalism and which ruled all over the Glove. So come forward to unified the working class of the world in a single organisation. In details- http://www.icwfreedom.org
Another INDIAN said
dalitnation pls dont spit utter nonsense and venom.before you vomit pls read dis
http://www.indiaforum.org/india/hinduism/aryan/page3.html
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Jarod said
Your a total racist. Assuming what your saying is even true, the people who commited these atrocities are long dead, and blaming innocent people just because they have the same genese or colour as the invaders just proves you have more in common with these so-called Aryan/Brahmin invaders than their modern ancestors
Hindu Pragmatist said
Futile attempts to bring some spurious legends to Dalits. I’m a big fan of Indus Valley civilization and hope that we know its secrets soon. We still have no clue of who the Harappans were and ended up. They could have ended up as Brahmins or non-Brahmins or might have been totally wiped out. But, it is a proven fact that Harappans worshipped Pashupathi and other Hindu gods & that they had elaborate rituals like the Mohenjadaro baths suggest. They didn’t wield weapons and had no concept of war. Given their characteristics most likely they should be closely related to Brahmins. But, this is again a speculation.
Hindu Pragmatist said
Indus-Brahmin civilization and Vedic civilization are so closely related that they must have similar origins.
Anu said
God, people in this site are brainwashed and crazy. Chumber needs to be on lots of medication ASAP.
Periyar is a fraud and Karunanidhi is the biggest one. He has amassed crores and crores. They have made TN Karunanidhi &Sons Pvt ltd. He isa double faced Jerk. People in Tamil Nadu will be better off (especially the dalits) if they cut this crap, go vote for someone else. The only thing you have done by beleiveing all the BS doled out by Periyar(Who lived off Pillayar temple trust money), Anna, Ponna, Karuna etc etc is make them rich.
You still live in ghettos, no private company will employe you and government can only do so much. So go get a life.
And Ravanan K time is not beginning to f** any Brahmin. Inspite of all the oppression, we are the most successful.
Anu
God!!!
Suresh Reddy said
Brahminism and hinduism is one and the same and an alien import into India. Brahminism is the curse of India. No dalit & sudra should rest until this evil ideology of violence and enslavement is eradicated from India. Brahminists have been vanquished in south india, pretty soon they will meet the same fate in the north as well. Good riddance.
Indian said
Dude, You should probably read the studies and reports of Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (India) and Harvard School of Public Health on genetics of Indian people. No one is native of India. Everybody came at some point of time. While Dravidians came 45000 years back Aryans came 35000 years back. And there were about 20-30 other identifiable groups who came to India at different points of time. So the land either belongs to nobody or everybody. Even among Davidians and Aryans there are many subgroups. There are over 200 subcastes in Dalits itself. You don’t marry each other. So what is point in blaming others. Indian constitution has provided you an opportunity of reservation. Make use of it. You don’t have unity among yourselves. A Dalit who comes from village takes government job and happily settles in city. He never looks back at his people and help them. He earns a good salary but makes his son again use reservation. This is what is happening. You first catch the culprits among your own Dalits. Then point fingers at others.
Regarding Harappa Mohanjodaro, they were destroyed by floods. That is why they are submerged in mud. Archaelogists found no weapons to prove invasion. The cities existed in 1500 BC. But India is much older. Ramayana Mahabarata happened much earlier(8000 BC) which involved Aryans. Harappa Mohanjodaro are typical Aryan cities and not Dravidian. Look at the Mohanjodaro face sculpture (you can find in google). It is a typical Aryan face.
India is a very very old civilization and had a vast geographical coverage in the past – from Afghanistan to Tamilnadu. Obviously you find difference in skin color as the latitude of the earth changes. It doesn’t mean that they are different race. All are Caucasians only. You find skin change in Europe also. Spanish and Greek are little dark with black hairs(they look like North Indians and Pakistanis). If you go just 500 km north to northern europe you find very fair, blonde hairs, blue eyes and different face shape. Does it mean that half europeans are Aryans and other half are Dravidians?? 🙂
v r rey said
The saints/Saibaba names huge spiritual business is very big to pandits and preaching relegion become rules to india means one day they become value less. Every where fraud is attempt. The whole of India from Afganistan to till Kanyakumari once Dravids rulers country and with dirty Pandits now caste system and these panditsentered in India.It is base to them begger to ruler everyone in India are pandits,and it is called Informer
who are these pandits,and this surely may become slaves in dravidian country future and it is god dreams
suresh kumar said
IIf you go through history with a sane analytic mind, it is quite crystal clear that India witnessed waves of invasions right from the pre-historical era. And it is quite natural that the aryans came from central india to indian sub-continent (in this regard one should see that linguistic, cultural and other similarities of aryan segment moved towards india and proto Iranians). the western writers have stated that the natural phenomena may be the reason for the destruction of indus valley civilization. if that be the case, it may also be quite natural that these civilizations were also not immediately replaced by the Aryan ones because nobody would prefer a devastated area for settlement. But the history suggest the opposite. Thus, in fact there is a possibility that Aryans came to northwestern India and replaced the natives. And the indigenous populations were pushed southwards and eastwards by the invading Aryans. And in fact verses of Aryans texts says that the non-believer should be killed (similar to jehad) is sufficient for one to assume that these local elements were overpowered by Aryans and for the very sake of their life, some of them adopted the invading faith while the other segments moved towards other parts of India, to escape aggression and to safeguard their culture. This is the same case with muslim invasion also. The fact mentioned above can very well be evident from the fact that Aryans to this date has good resistance in the present day tamil nadu which is the farthermost area in India when see from north-western India and the last area to which the hardcore native elements escaped other than sri lanka. After entering northwestern India and gangetic plain, some of the Aryans moved dowards south India not in search of good life but in pursuit of fleeing Dravidians. In this case, their intention is not to politically subjugate them but only to make them civilized with their so-called noble ideas! Here they succeeded and the natives were subjugated. The Aryans placed those native elements in power (say cheaters to the native population) who are faithful to them. This information can be confirmed from the fact that the earlier Dravidian kings were made to frequently declare their allegiance by way of inscriptions and assuming titles that they are they xyz of hindu culture and uphold vedic dharma. However, all the subjugation of native by Aryans is not without bloodshed. There were frequent wars and attacks between these elements and these constitute most of the literature of Aryans texts in which the natives were vilified as rakshasas. On subjugation, the natives were made to uphold the truthfulness, magnanimity and divinity of Aryan gods/elements and to believe that their people are evil, wicked and immoral. In this era of subjugation, the Aryans were careful that even the pious but nationalistic elements in native leadership should not be allowed any room. In one of the poems commemorating Onam (festival of kerala and related to the arrival of mahabali), it is written that in the mahabali era there were no cheating, lies like etc. Here one should wonder how the virtuous king was replaced/killed and a dummy was placed upon by them by the Aryan elements. The dubious way in which the “mahabali”, the symbol of virtue and ruler of pre-historic kerala is removed/killed is a case in point. Here also it is told that it was accomplished by immoral route. Although Aryan texts swear million times that their culture is virtuous, if you go for unbiased reading of their texts and history, you can have the idea that their culture has nothing to do with virtue but it is fraud. The numerous instances given in their literary texts gives the impression that for their holy ends, they would do anything even brutal ones, which would then be justified as for the uphold of dharma. In this fight for supremacy, the native elements which were straight-forward were ultimately beaten by the cunning and cheating Aryans. It is well known that that Aryan society is divided into four classes. During the course of history, with the interaction of Aryans and natives, some of the acceptable native elements were given the status of shudras and others were branded as outcasts. While reading the history of India, it seems that the invading Aryans and the muslims did the same thing. Subjugation of the natives and their conversion to the superior faith. While the native Dravidians were totally subjugated by the Aryans, the mulsims were not successful in subjugating the aryans. After subjugation of Dravidian elements and after getting fully satisfied with their allegiance, the Aryans doled out some concessions to Dravidians by assimilating their local deities and heroes in to the hindu list of gods. Thus, most of the Dravidian deities like the elephant headed god of maharashtra area, murugan from tamil nadu area, ayyappa from kerala and balaji from Andhra Pradesh were entered this list. This is by way of making ridiculous stories and most of these new gods were related to lord siva. In this regard, one should understand the fact that ayyappa lived in modern era after the arrival of muslims (since vavar, friend of ayyappa was a mulsim) and the linking of such modern era to an ancient era (the time of siva) is quite stupid. Further, lord balaji also lived in modern era and was quite popular in Andhra area. He was famous for marrying his love after successfully winning the challenge given by his mother-in-law for producing enormous amount of money. That man was also given the status of god and was made venketeswara, the incarnation of Vishnu. Regarding the various incarnations of Vishnu, one thing needs to be said. Most of these avatars are the symbols of Aryan domination over natives and it is believed by the Aryans that Vishnu help them to dominate over others. But the irony is that Vishnu could not help these Aryans when there were under severe attack from the muslims. Thus, the very incarnation theory sounds illogic and many illogical things are there for us to read from those holy scriptures and texts. Though the Aryan texts were full of aspersions and vilification of native elements, the natives were not fully made submissive by the fact that while in north India dasara and diwali are celebrated to commemorate the killing of ravana and arrival of victorious rama, the Dravidians are not made to do the same since ravana was a Dravidian king. Instead they were asked to celebrate these festival to commemorate other instances (eg. Killing of narakasura again a dravidian etc.). One should wonder how I could make such evaluation which may seems to them as illogical and they may even think that Dravidians at that time might not be such foolish to accept the false virtues of Aryans and their people’s wicked nature. Here it is to be said that it was their plight and they were made to submit at the point of sword first which was later withdrawn after the natives surrender totally to Aryan culture. The reason for Ram’s entry into holiness is that he re-asserted Aryan pride by taking revenge on ravana and getting back sita. Now as a keen reader and analyst of past things, my heart burn when I realize we as Dravidians were made to loose everything that we had and we were even made to praise their ruthless Aryans’s false virtues and to denigrate our own forefathers only to please these Aryans. The most pathetic thing about the ghost of subjugation is that a lot of our own writers get rewards and wrote foolishly about the virtues of Aryan actions/dhrama and the notoriety of actions of Dravidian ancestors by making such slavish gesturs. Here someone may question me that how could such Dravidian writers were so foolish? To them, I have a genuine question to ask. Before the advent of western civilization, no one here protested against the inhuman practice of sati and so many other inhuman practices. The understanding of things were vague and the people believed more in mysterious nature of things and ideas than the reality. The people were forced to limit their thinking to the line drawn by the Brahmins. In this regard, I want to say something. Regarding Brahmins, it should be right to say that they developed a mechanism to sustain their own interests and periodically they reviewed and modified them to further their interests. There were occasional protests mostly from kshatriyas and some time from vaishyas. The Brahmins handled the protests of kshatriyas by way of sometimes usurping thrones (sunga, kanwa and other examples) and by way of attacks (here it may be recalled the innumerous kshatriya killings by a Brahmin in hindu mythology). The Brahmins made shudras suffer for long by way of denying any type of opportunity to them. For providing passing relief to other castes about their fate and to fend any possible protest/attack , the Brahmins invented the theory of karma and stated that the fate of each men in this birth is the result of his doings in the previous birth and that if somebody does good in one birth would get a Brahmin birth the next time. Further, the ruthless persecution of Buddhists in Indian soil by hindus and muslims should be a bloody chapter in Indian history but no one is dared to speak truth. It was not the inferior principles or practices that led to the decline of Buddhism in India but the ruthless persecution. It can be evident from the fact that while a lot of outsiders embraced Buddhism nobody from outside never readily embraced Hinduism since its principles can hardly enthuse any outsider. This is a fact. Hindu society cannot rightly be called a society, it is strictly compartments. While reading the hindu mythological stories, I often felt that what for these gods (omnipotent) come and stay in earth only for a petty living/deeds. Those men got immortalized not for any sublime reason just like the petty deification of local heroes and their entry into hindu list of gods. While comparing with the other religions of the world, hindu religion sounds inferior. The present day ills of Indian society (outright corruption, ignorance, complete selfish interests prevailing over general interest etc). If the culture is great, it should generate virtuosity and values which is very much evident in the present day India. These things perpetuated in this culture for centuries only at this stage of civilization that we could see how bankrupt this culture actually is and that too when we make parallel comparison with other people of the world.. The Brahmins restricted the education only to guarantee supply of labour. They put a water-tight caste system. They could never come out of their illusive wall and see the truth. This is the same case with them even now just like the muslims who are also adamant to turn their faces against truth. And still they think that their knowledge of things were great and they were actually scientific. What an irony! On the one side, they believe that jyotish is scientific and you can relieve the horrific influence of grahas by way of wearing stones. On the same note, they believe that all incidents are pre-determined. They term those things which they could not understand as spiritual and speak about things that does not exist. They intentionally make people suffer for thousands of years and at the same time talk about fate. They could not see the injustices around but were ready to offer “shanty” (peace) to people by way of their petty teachings. Simply I can say, their actions were one sided. Nothing is pious about them but only to serve self-interest in the most extreme way. As an educated, rational and sensitive Dravidian, I do not find any interest in the Aryan religion, principles. Further, though I do not entertain any ill-feeling for the Aryans (because the same incidences happened in various places all around the world in the pre-historic era) I cannot deify the notoriety of the foes (the ruthless persecutors) of my ancestors and in the same breath defame my forefathers by submitting to the discredited Aryan culture and religion. That is why I do not practice the religion of Aryans now. There are plenty of better options available for us. At this stage of human civilization, religion itself is a curse and not a boon. But at the same time, I also oppose those immature comments/feelings expressed in these columns (by chumbel, happy hindu, sanatan) saying that this elements should be rooted out like that. Respect and adjustment with other people is a necessity and way of life. That is where the culture lies. Thus you can not take revenge for the wrongdoings of the past. Here you may like to refer to Ramjanmabhoomi issue. If the hindus are all out there to take revenge on muslims for the actions of the remote past, then Aryans and caste hindus should ask themselves the questions that what if the other people who suffered perpetually at the hands of Aryans/caste hindus starts to take revenge? . Thus there will be no end if everybody seeks revenge on others for their past doings. Better adjust with them. But acceptance of an invasive culture and religion at the ignominy of defaming of their original culture is somewhat shameful enough and shows that how coward these people are. Thus I can not at least be another vibheesan who cheated his family and own people but were later made by king by the Aryan invaders.
srivathul said
First of all who said to you that all bramhins are aryans fool understand dravidians are blak in colour aryans are white in colour can i show you numbers of bramhins blak in colour, and aryans are different bramhin is different dont blame any body without proof, You dravidians are illitrates and become infiriarity complex people so you want to grab everything specally tamils are shit eaters periyar is a basterd family if you follow him you will die of leprosey combined with AIDS wich will reflect in swineflu amd you will not be burried or fired anywere and will be thrown to dogs and foxes.
HUMAN said
Why you bramins have bifferent types of name by they can cassified. EX: saravana,rama,visnu and why people do marrage @ adi month only because all the prices are down and more of clearing sale.and 5 days marrage because on that month no one else use the hall right? By your name people in higher levels identyfy you and you can the benifits yaa.please mail me if iam not right.Anand anand.jency@gmail.com
vijay kumar Meerut said
untouchablility is the bane for those who were real habitants of this land they had structured the oldest civilisation viz indus civilisation of the world which was copletly vanished by the varna-system coined by brahmins intrueded in this land as an aryans 3000-4000 years ago.i am the victim as you of this ugly practice.
vijay kumar Meerut said
your comment is motivating for those who have been victim of this hoorible and unnatural practice of thes migrated brahmins. shadilal, bahadurgarh, haryana
vinnu said
this blady tamilians can never think above this.Periyar was just a bum licker of british. he was an opprtunistic who tried to divide people by his provocative speeches, writings. Come on guys move on, stop this cheap talk
RAjthilak said
I concur with many sensible people here.If there was untouchability practised by many in the past and of course today also, it is a great crime against humans. The clarion against untouchability was given by U. V. Swaminatha Iyer and Subramanya Bharathi, who opposed untouchability to the core. many elements of today , representing many political outfits , who practice anti-brahminism not because of they support people who are sufferers of the crime, but they have to make their living out of such brahmin-bashing. It is a shame that we Indians, never realized the divisive nature of the British and the people who ruled for more than 2 centuries. In this context even the other invaders of India , including the Moghuls have been divisive and only because we as Indians were and are divided still, that these divisive forces survived and flourished and still flourishing. Of course, there are many societies were such discriminative practices are being made still , even today. In USA and Britain , non-white coloured , especially Asians are ill-treated in many circumstances. That does not mean that all whites are bad or evil. In a society there will be many elements who have vested interests. Those civilized and developed countries address such issues in a very matured manner. For over 250 years of freedom, USA did not have even a single non-white President , until Barak Obama. We had dalit presidents even as soon as we got freedom, like Dr Rajendra Prasad and non-Hindus are presidents like Dr Fakurudin Ali Ahmed and of course Dr Abdul Kalam. Where is the need of brahmin bashing here in India? Also USA , the purported most advanced and civilized nation in the world has not got a women as the head of state or president in all its 250 years of freedom. But we Indians had Mrs Indira Gandhi. As such we have more freedom , than any other country in the world and no other country has the rights to preach us about equality of genders or caste or color or culture. We know how to conduct ourselves. Do those people understand where we are heading to, with this attitude of brahmin bashing?? If you say Brahmins are only a minority in this country , then they have to protected and not admonished , also can you drive them away. if so specify where should they go. Do those people who do this brahmin bashing have any place which they can suggest?? The Government of India and especially Karunanidhi’s Govt in Tamil nadu has not put to death the assasinator of Mr Rajiv Gandhi , LTTE Nalini in so many years. Even if such people can be excused, why the brahmin bashing ?? and the Govt of India , the UPA Government has invited the terrorists of Kashmir , including the hurriyat and other extremist elements who are against India to the core. Imagine peace talks with sworn anti-India elements and terrorists and doing the brahmin bashing. In what way brahmins are responsible for the present day problems of dalits and other downtrodden people of India. What a pity our country is still in the dark ages. In fact in many villages, it is the non-brahmin upper castes who are vehemently ill-treating the dalits and not the brahmins. The vanniyars of Tamil Nadu are opposing the entry into the temple of many dalits in many parts of Tamil nadu and in the north India it is the upper caste Hindus other than the brahmins. Do the so called dalit champions veeramani , karunanidhi , etc gang , speak against those upper caste Hindus. Does the followers of periyar have the guts to say that practicing the religion of Islam is not rational and is incorrect and wrong and insensible and that people should not believe that Allah or Jesus are not God and that these Gods are also false?? Can any of those so called “rational” leaders say all this. They are cowards and talk ill of only Hindus religion. Are you guys not ashamed of yourself . Instead of doing this lady like activity, you people can wear bangles in your hands and wear a saree. If you do have a muschtache ,remove it , because it is considered a symbol of manhood and not required or does not grow for women
Jai Hind
confused said
Can someone just show me the historical proofs; are the Dravidians, Aryans, a mixed, or an assimilated race the original inhabitants of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro? Were these two civilizations destroyed by invaders or by a 300 years drought? Are Dravidians’ languages classified under Indo-European? Is my teacher wrong when she said that Sanskrit was the original and ancient language of India or at least North India? As a student studying ancient civilizations, I am confused. There is almost no controversy on Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Greek and Chinese civilizations.
confused said
Thanks. I have already got the answers from internet web sites.
Rajan Varghese said
Yea, Ofcorse Aryans do first the Teory Devide& Rule, They migrated to India & Demolish “Siyndhava Civilisation’ They adopt Vrnasrama, Untucheability & Slavery. That happened on 1700 BC to Till. Some were in INDIA still be going on.
Sanskrit is newage dead languae, it start only 1400 Years ago, Bleddy Bhramins You Know? Tamil Language is 6000 Year old with solid Evidence, (9000 year old tamil Veda is ‘CHAMAYA VEDA” Distroyed By migrated Brhamins in the year AD 1200. Bhramins &Their byproduct Sudras allways Lying. They are Geebels.
ismail said
who so ever written this article is right because of these brahmins the world trade centre collapsed, tsunamis are coming , so much pollution on the earth,nuclear weapons were developed,saddam hussein died,bin laden died all because of these brahmins oh god protect us from brahmins and send some dalit as our saviour
Rajan Varghese said
Ismail….. ? You are not ISMAI, I want to speak with Having Spinalcde peoples.
First you go and study History……..
Sankhaparivar writers last few years hardly trying to cover Aryan Migration.
Can them point a single evidence in Vedas or Upanishads about Mohajadaro Harappan Civilisaton?.
Pasupthi Siva & Linga vership was Draveedian ( Rudra is not Siva, Rudra was a
smaller God in Vedha, “Vedha always crying ” Indra” please help us from these Linga worshippers”)
SIVA The ultimate God of Draveedians,
First Bhramins degrade Siva as Chandala (Dalith) and then Surrender in 800 AD by Marry White Parvathy (Jains Padmavathy) And give “Muruga”(Draveedian Only God Son not “SKANDHA” )& North Ganesa then Place Them to Himalayas ( Thi Sivapurana was done in 1200 AD) Vedas are from Iran side, Very similarities with Parsy ‘AVESTHA’. Sanscrit is anew generation Indo-Europian language? Only 1200years old, But Tamil had solid evidence it is 6000 years back.
In Tamil Sankham Litterature(500BC.) You can see many comments about white and “Red color aryans” Aryans living in Punjab side( This is clear evidence of Aryan migration). Chera’s are Paraya’s (Dalith’s clear evidence in Sankham Literature)
Even go to Himalayas, A normal man can Identify, Kedar nadh, Badari nadh and all himalayan temples are Budha Vihars.( Ambedkar knows these things)
Even all over India “Budha”& Jaina Churches converted as Hindu temples.
All Budha stachues distroyed by Sankaracharya or his devotees 1200Ad.
At last black “Yadava Krishna” & “Chandala Siva” got cross- thread (Poonool) MADE THEM BRHAMINS
Vedas INDRA AND MANY GODS VANISHED.
NB. Divide & Rule is Aryans theory, Varnasrama, Slavory, Untouchability.
That is the cause people converted to Islam, Sikh & Christian.
Rajan Varghese said
HE IS NOT ISMAIL…. He is a SUDRA (By product of brahimin) Foot lickers of bhramin” Sudras are Brain Washed Dhalids. “Slavers are like dogs, everytime barking for them” They are so called Hindhus. They are tottal 15% of tottal Population. Leave them…………
Shankar Ilango said
as time passed by SOME Brahmins still think in their illusion mind that they are still superior to normal human being.I ve seen that from the way they talk to walk. i don know when they would come to normality .Btw you have any scientific back up for Brahmins destroying Indus Civilization me being a dalit really curious to know?
Avinash said
they are superior mate…..atleast in academic terms they are….see the SC cut-off for any national exam and then compare….they are shamefully lower than general ones…..so you openly agree that after studying in same schools as we have, you still need quotas to crack exams…..and what makes you think you dumb people could create Indus Valley Civilization…..first acheive something worthwhile…then criticize Brahmins
Shankar said
Oh, under identical condition your(SC) performance is very poor.It reflects your mental ability. Even 2 to 5 marks out of 100 may be your selection criteria. How can you think correctly about any matter
Octopole said
Nope, no evidence whatsoever. Just as ridiculous as Aishwarya Rai being a Dalit.
You losers need another hobby. You’re the vast majority of the country and still need reservations because you people are dumb as a door knob. Is there any accident that all the Nobel Prize winners from India are Brahmin?
HUDSON.T.A'RAN said
ooh wht r these arguments about brahmines .To say truely they are selfished natured. In villages they think that they are the superiors. These castes are all created by brahmines and they announced them selves as higher caste uh dirty dumbs .actually dravidians are the kings ruling india in the ancient time dravidians has the civilization did aryans[bhramines] has it? is there any hist0rical facts. They created the history that they are the superiors uh thats not valid they copied the dravidian culture .Aryans won because they were more in number and here less
Narendra said
Learn to spell, reservation-boy.
And take a look at your grammar, before you declare yourself superior.
Could we please revoke the reservations and other handouts?
The only thing you people have ever accomplished are high fertility rates, that’s it.
deepakdalit said
grammar……..he he he
appease britisher by your grammar
sandeep khatri said
I am from Vaishya caste.someone once told me when every child is born in brahmin family they are made to recite 4 vedas and during upanayan cermony they are made to chant 4 vedas thru gryha and sruta yagnas and then their father tell them this:
“we are not from India we are from outside. dont forget we are from outside but we are born to rule all indians even born to rule ksatriya and vaishya not only sudras and dalits. Use every form of lies, treachery, cheating but always control others and rule over them”.
I dont know how true this is but I have observed the behaviour of most brahmins…..most of them are huge cunning ……i cannot even describe by words.
this Hinduism of today is full of lies…….most of it is not original hinduism……brahmins follow only vedas and sacrifices…….Puranas, ramayana, mahabharata even upanishad is only lie……..believe me folks i am telling truth.
Vijay said
I’m a South Indian Brahmin. I had my Upanayan about 18 months ago. I can confirm that what you heard is bullshit.
Octopole said
Really? Is that why India sucks because you low-lifes are the majority and still can’t seem to get a functioning country and seem keen on defecating out in the open.
Avinash said
Dalits created the Indus Valley Civilization……but they simply could’nt fight off the invading Aryans from Central Asia….so they all trekked for more than 3000 Kms to reach Tamil Nadu(from Pakistan)..crossing the Satpura, Vindhyas,Aravalli and what not…so the author claims that the Dalits were physically inferior to the Aryans and they just let themsleves get raped(Mughals also conquered Delhi…but this did not end Hindusim in the sub-continent)……also if Dalits are so intelligent to have created a civilization……why do they need quotas and reservation to enter the elite institutions….i mean look at the SC cut-off for any exam……it just makes me laugh how fool they are….btw only a fool can write such a thing…cant stop laughing…ha ha ha!!!!!!
sohambaba@live.nl said
A message from civan harapana! the Nazi,s have lose the second worldwar,and after this war they where emigrate to the USA and have help to create the NASA.and the have make America a ferry powerfull country.But now the American goverment and the Nasa are sceart for the comming of the planet niburu! The great black giants of niburu shud come back on earth with milions of them,to destroy the racist Nazi regime and the brahmins of this world! many of the white poeples and brahmins walk over to ficht agains the NAZI,s! the old harapana propechy is comming out.The great giant Annunaki poeple know what,s happend in this world and will send Great armys of giant sadhus,and milions of giant aliens shud come on earth.The great black harapans from NIBURU shud come back on earth to destroy the evil BRAHMINS and NAZI,s. and than the shud come a new paradise on earth..
Vijay said
Dravidian Brahmin here.
Almost everyone ITT except China Man is retarded. Anyone who actually believes the Aryan Invasion nonsense was true needs to stop believing British lies, and actually look at the historical evidence..
please stop brahmin bashing said
Dear dalit nation,
before writing any article first get some good knowledge about what your writing, this shows you only want to highlight only about brahmins as creul race on earth, this shows your lacking knowledge about our histroy and ur writing r senseless please all of u brahmins and non brahmins before commenting anything further read the article on the following link.
http://udaypai.in/?p=12
sohambaba1008@live.nl said
I am a great protector of the black(Dravidian culture) and i have secret old Dravidian propecy,s.the most of this where destroyed by brahmins! our old culture don,t belive in the Veda,s,but they belive in old Tantra religions from before the time of the Veda,s.We dont belive in the racist Arian gods of the Veda,s!.We are the followers of lord Shiva! a god before the religion of the racist Vedic/arian/brahmin invaders! who have raped our black women,s,and killed our harapana civalisation in north India, and lie about the truth history of India! Brahmins have give pakistan to muslims,beqause they k,now ,the muslims where good to destroy the old black Indian/civalisation proof,s.Now the brahmins used the name muslims as our invaders, to make the brahmins clean.Buth the brahmins are our real destroyers. I go to make a own international organisation Called! CivanHarapana.I am bussy with it now,to make it.Hara hara mahadev! my e-mail=sohambaba1008@live.nl. greetings!
chivanharappana@hotmail.com said
NEW! http://www.civanharappana.com international Vamachari org. some of my texts are in DUCH language,but you can translate them in inglish. with a free translation program on the internet! greetings CIVAN! founder of Vamachari civanism Tantra!
CIVAN said
watch now! http://www.civanharappana.com from HOLLAND! fuck the genocidial Brahmins. Sudip Annunaki ki jai!
Shankar said
you are really mentally sick.Logiclly you are dead.If possible, compeet in identical condition.
Satyaprakash Shankar said
The exist only ONE Periyav in all Tamil Nadu, H. H: Periyav Jayendra Saraswati Shankaracharya SWamigal, who is surely dearest to the decent Tamils than a corrupt politician preaching British-style iter-hindu hatred and fanaticism.
B.K.Satyanarayana said
There is an old saying that people who live by sword will perish by sword.The Brahmins no doubt exploited other castes for the last 5000 years. The early Indo-Aryan kings were terrorized by them.They had the power to throw away any king.The kings were mortally afraid of them and had to get up from their throne,go and receive the Rishi,wash his feet and put the dirty water on their head and invite them to sit on their throne.They had the power to drive away the Indra (the supreme leader of the indo-Aryan clan and appoint a noble king(one who had done a hundred Yagnas ) as a new Indra.Because the very existence of Indra dpended on the pots of ghee and goats and sheep supplied to him from the Brahmins.They had the authority to make an impotent king to get his wives impregnated through a Rishi appointed by them.The case of Sri Ram has already been discussed about.The same episode continued in case of Pandavas.The entire Kuru Vams appears to be cursed for generations. King Shantanu it seems was very indiscreet and inhuman. As a young man his hobby seems to be that he would go the banks of the river Ganga,catch hold a beautiful girl of the fishermen,spend some time with her and when the ungrtunste girl gave birth to a child ,kill both the girl and her baby.It appears that he had done this seven times.But during the eighth time the intelligent girl suspected that something like that was going to happen to her and ran away with her infant.She knew that the only place where her infant son was-the ashram of Rishi Parasuram where no Kshatriya king would dare to enter.The boy grew up to be a fine young man.Perhaps the unfortunate mother was caught and killed.The Brahmins who are experts in creating great white-wash stories created the story of Goddess Ganga and described as to why she had to kill her seven new born sons and she was stopped by the great king during the eighth time.The face of truth can be covered by a pot of gold.But Nature has its own method of punishing the immoral humans.At a later date when King Shantanu wh was bitten by the same old urge went to the father of a chief of fishermen asking him to give his daughter Satyavati in marriage,the chief of fishermen clearly told the king that he would consent to the marriage only if he promised in public that he would take care of his daughter and also make a promise that he would make her son the future king.The king could not make any such promise and returned to his capital.The sexual licence had hit the the king so badly that for four generations no body in his dynasty could produce a son.They had to depend on Brahmins to get successors.The curse of nature seems to be so hard that even the wife of Abhimanyu had some problem while deliverin a baby.The child would have died but for the timely medical help provided by Lord.Krishna the black yadav.
Nature is a great leveller.The indiscretions committed by Brahmins have since long starte bearing fruits.The nature created various castes which are as intelligent and more powerful than the Brahmins.They have challenged the supremacy of the Brahmins and started displacing them in every field.Children of other castes are faring well in copetitive exams.They are kicked out of power in Southern states,in U.P. and Bihar.Now people are exploited by politicians,beaurocrats&Industrialists..
Jim said
Please understand who is the brahmin and sudra.If u know brahma (god) u are a brahmin.Instead of hating people try to love him.It the the way of our thinking which make one brahmin or sutra.
i care said
Hey i am wat u cal as a dalit and we are definitely working in d field to make the united india a great nation. We dont distinguish people and we all live like a family. First V.T.Rajshekar, u r proud about our civilisation and if u want to bring it out to the world do some archaeological researches man. Don’t ever put it up like this it’ll destroy our unity. Then commmentors think twice before u do anything. A single matchstick can cause terrible things. Past is past guys;Act in the present.
Octopole said
Hahaha! Keep lying to yourself. You don’t have the brains to create a civilization. You should get on your knees and thank the Brahmins. Without them, you’d be indistinguisable from troglodytes with brains to match.
dane said
fuck u octopole stupid bastard.Your words “Get on ur knees” proves your brahmins’ arrogance
Octopole said
F word’s the best you can do. Every time you open your mouth, you prove how inferior you are. Quit while you are ahead.
civanharappana said
The vedic Arthvans and rateshvars have Destroyed the mohenjo-dato and the harappana. They also have used nuclair atomic wapons agains the black skin Aboriginals. And later the vedics have also commit an genocide agains mongoloid poeple from the Chinese. Beqause many black skin harappan poeples fles to South China, and they are also know,n as the black yueh, maravar, and pandians. They still have a 100% non vedic civa religion. like me!, beqause I am also an acient harappana relic. The brahmins later have changed the dead black corpses in place for mongoloid corpses. The hide the genocide agains the black skin snake nose poeples. There are stil black non vedic Tantra kenners of me Alife. That,s why I will warn China to close the Chinese borders for vedic visitors. My poeple don,t Gelieve in the racist Veda and the genocidal racist Brahmin books. The Brahmins are no Indian race, because they are acient racist Bastards. They where throw out the Persian country beqause an religious war agains the Persian Faravahar poeple. In that time the Faravahar rules Persia. Dear greetings and blessings from civan. http://Www.civanharappana.com world,s hardest truth!
ecosoc said
Support recognition of indigenous peoples and dalits (in S.Asia) as having rights in environmental stewardship. They could automatically be co-opted into local and other committees (forest, rural, municipal, national/ international, developmental etc). These groups have historically been/are in the fore of ecological activity.
And highest in terms of humanity and wisdom. I think we may have been too clever and busy exporting 0s
Sainath Shanbhag said
Shudras were Pioneers into Medical and Architect Fields till early 1800s
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The Aryan Migration/ Invasion is a myth. Please check the result of Human Genome project. All Aryans were from India.
Please do NOT believe in the History written by British(our history textbooks) – still continued in our schools. Please refer the internet on the latest studies. Look at videos/audios or Rajiv Dixit and the likes which are based on the facts collected from the Parliament discussion in London during 1800s. Read the “Return of Aryans” by Pankaj S Gidwani, which presents facts with proof. Check with the local communities who have been maintaining a lineage (called Gotras) – for instance GSB Brahmins, or check with the local Tribes of different states about their history. The fact is different from the one in the Text Books.
All the Indians including people from South were Aryans. Dravidians term was a term of recent past. Many Brahmins have Dravid as their surname. (Rahul Dravid). Aryans include Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. This is division of labour just as we see today. Some do Priestly activity, some warriors, some businessmen, some Engineers/Doctors(Shudras) etc. This type of profession is Natural in a family (a family is generally mostly full of doctors or engineers or architects ) though there are always exceptions – as it happened in past too.
If someone from a priestly family does a bad job, he would be looked down upon- he would be called a Shudra – untouchable. More Untouchable than the Doctor Shudra or Engineer Shudra.
When you go to a temple, the visitors including Brahmins would not touch the inner diety or the Brahmin priest who would be giving Tirtha and Prasad. Once the priest is done with his job, he would come out and have to interact and touch the Shudra Doctor or Shudra Engineer or Shudra Farmer. There is no ill feeling in us about this. Unless someone foreign would see the temple incident and make a propoganda and incite us in hate for one another.
Shudras were never looked down upon. This fact was engineered by British. Shudras were too good – Mostly Pioneers into Medical and Architect Fields till early 1800s – when British introduced a rule saying It would be a crime if a Shudra family involved in Architecture would continue with Temple or Building Architecture. Same with Shudra Family involved in Surgery .. The Gurukuls (who taught All the verna class commonly) were made illegal.
Please check Rajiv Dixit talk on Indian Education System based on data collected from the British Parliament discussion during 1800s.
Gurucharaney,
Sainath Shanbhag
ecosoc said
Hmm…another essentialist reading of history…
Aditya said
please visit this website and all the acheivements in this page was done by a brahamin. periyar was a person who had inferiority complex.
http://www.vaarso.com/ancient-india-wisdom.html
so simply don’t blame a Brahmin and get your facts right. I am proud to be a brahamin as all the acheivements of ancient India was done by a brahamin. what did your ancestors do except for cleaning toilets?
Rajan Varghese said
British Ruled around 140 years in India, All Brahmins are boot- lickers of British. They gave their women to them, Rajastan ariyan families still marrying British lords, All enterd in Indraprsta coridoor that time, Pig skin People……
ecosoc said
‘Cleanliness’ fetishism has led particular castes to eject their wastes into the environment/neighbourhoods , and onto other castes (subsequently ‘certified’ as impure).
Brahminism will continue its environmental depradations if it clings to this culture!
Would you ostracise your left hand because it washed the arse?!
zbohajheru said
Sanskrit originated in Ethiopia from the Amharic. Go do your research. Clean that All men come from Africa we blacks are the true descendants our history is older caucasoid. Hurts doesnt it. Bow down to men darker stronger and much smarter in otherwords you are a genetic defect! 🙂
Octopole said
The last thing Indians need is your Afrocentric nonsense. Indians are no more closely related to you than are Europeans or East Asians, not even the darkest ones. Learn some genetics before you post such rubbish.
zbohajheru said
I dont know who u are and really don’t care but if you have any common sense at one point in time everyone was black. That is why KRISHNA is black and the sanskrit language can be found in India and Africa. Your jealous because you are a neandertroll a genetic defect a barbarian and a rapist and a pervert a thief of religion. Basically a piece of shit. I have blood family in India and we relate to the same struggle. Your racsist caste and civil rights. My people are dark with strait jet black hair and some have curly and notty knappy hair. Go suck your your motha. Africans can be seen in buddhists temples in the Ajanta caves. You dare battle me go sit your ignorant not knowing ass down you european cracka I will destroy you. Every buddhist and Hindu temple has negroids u dumb bitch what! Everyone knows the infamous statue of the girl dancing at mohenjo daro is also black. Even in America there is a place in Ohio known as the serpent mound(naga) where they found a tomb with a man having 100% negroid features standing 9ft tall. HIS TIME OF DEATH 11000BC SO SHUT THE FUCK UP WHORE. BOW DOWN N KEEP IT MOVIN. SERPENT MOUNDS ARE LOCATED ALL OVER THE US AND THERE BLACK PEOPLE HERE BEFORE THE SLAVESARIVED IN ST. LOUIS MISSOURI. I WILL CRUSH YOU CAVE MAN. FURTHERMORE. AFRICANS IN INDIA READ IT WEEP THAT WHY D CASTE WAS SET UP U ASS HOLE. I AM 6 FT. 2 I WILL PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY SNAP YOUR NECK.
zbohajheru said
I went and researched where you got the notion to post nagas are mongolian. No nagas or the serpent race ruled Mongolia, Southeast Asia, Himalayas, Australia, New Genie, and India. The Hindus refer to them as the root race! Sorry chump. Go do your research and explain to me why thier hair is knotty or curly. White ass whole! U LOSE. Nagas are known as a cosmetic superior race that white stole their religion and culture from nagas or niggas from AFRICA SHINING BEINGS
zbohajheru said
Why do you allow these white cave men on this site. They think they are Brahmin because of the caste? The Amharic, Tamils nagas(mons) and they were called mons because they were master sailors that use the monsoom wind to sail the ocean while you dumb ass white people thought the world was flat. Have you ever seen a Melanasian, they have knotty hair African shit brain. The Olmecs in Mexico dumb ass go look the negroid features in 30000 ton sphere heads. These and other Dalit tribes had a trade route that extended along the southern hemisphere near the equator around the globe for 15000 years. This dumb white thrash thinks because some of them hv a few strands of DNA from India they are hindu and buddhists. Jack ass all people have DNA from all over the world no one is 100%. One more thing Actoass you think White people are from India shit for brains dream on. You come from the caucaus mountains you people are cave men cannibals. Go find out why you were left there because my ancestors kicked you out because men were screwing men and vice versa with the females you gay fag.
Octopole said
Listen idiot, you want to know who I am? – I’m an Indian and we definitely don’t need you Afrocentric nuts to tell us about our history. And what the hell does the Serpent Mound in Ohio have to do with this. I live in MN so don’t give me this nonsense BS. Secondly, Nagas are Mongoloid people. They have nothing to do with Negroids. Negroid DNA among Indians is a big, total zero, zilch, cipher. Genetically, the Europeans are more closely related to you than Indians and the lower caste Indians are even less related than the upper class Indians. So take your divisive garbage elsewhere. All Indians are very closely related to each other irrespective of their caste. Your brand of Afrocentric nonsense is the laughingstock of the world. You people are nothing but culture vultures, imagining everything from Krishna, Buddha and Jesus as being black. Go find some Gods in your own backyard in West Africa. Here’s a typical Naga person. If you think she looks Negroid, then you need glasses.
And I’m not white. I am Indian and I love all Indian people irrespective of their caste. And we don’t need you outsiders to tell us about our history and culture.
And finally, I see you resort to your natural inclinations. How about linking some genetic studies that show Indians are Negroid instead of threatening to “snap” people’s neck simply because they don’t buy your BS.
zbohajheru said
The king is back 2 set the record strait. First of all there are 2 main tribes of nagas one is mongoloid as you potrayed and otha is African Negroid you jealous white immigrate you are like one of those white boys that grows dreads fakead phony you are of European Roma descent that is why you are so defensive. A white cracka wanna be Dalit that ancestors migrated into India from Pakistan or Iran oh I forgot Britain gay fag, a country of homos.
The African Nagas in India can be seen at this website click on Naga people.
http://www.wikipedia.org/naga_people.
Dont forget I know what you white hindus do to dark skinned Indians. Alot of them have been executed by European Romas.
Pertaining to the African influence in the Ajanta caves take a good look at d murals, they are predominately brown and black, one is even referred to as the dark buddha.
http://www.shunya.net
Pertaining to the tribes in southern India the Dalits (Telegu, Kannada Malayalam, Tulu, Kurumba, and Tamil.) Also the other 11 Dalit tribes I did not mention the Jarawa tribesand the confluence with pass are stated to be undeniably of African descent from around 100000bc by European scholars. Furthermore, concerning your European Roma dreams that all Indians are white which has been discredited, A synopsis has been tested and proven concerning halotypes and gene markers. The Alu gene originates in only Africa. The gene is known as the “jumping gene” a transposable DNA sequence that reproduces by copying itself and inserting itself on chromosome locations.
The study also PROVED the purest race is the negroid. Whites and Asians are composed at 60% made of Negroid and Indian chromosomes. Various negroid groups and isolated Indo negroid groups are of the purest chromosomes races. The negroid strain is found in most labeled “non negro” aryans at a much greater amount.
The marker Llcl (pk3) he iz a bad mutha.
http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/dravidians
http://www.inquirewithin.biz
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com
Did nt mi tela soundboy yardfuc ayut SIT DOWN. I M AFRICAN WITH A STRONG PREVALENCE IN INDIA COCKROACH U GOT STEPPED ON. I JUST MASHED YA ASS. INDIAN UNITY YOU R A WHITE BOY FROM ENGLAND YOUR A WANNABE AHA I FUC ED YA HEAD UP SIT DOWN YOU STUPID IGNORANT BITCH. IM AFRICAN WE ARE EVERYWHERE EVEN IN YOU IMAGINE THAT ONE OF THE PUREST RACES. IM IN NYC WITH MY INDIA PEOPLE THAT ARE DARKER THEN ME WE ARE WAITIN! ILL BUST YA ASS U CRACKA U HV NO COUNTRY WHITE THRASH!!!!
zbohajheru said
Actoass Log on these sites I listed them incorrectly and when you go to wikipedia scroll down below the mongoloid look at the difference in skin color and hair texture.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/naga_people
for the dark ajanta
http://www.shunya.net/pictures/south%20india/ajanta/ajanta.html
alu gene
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/africans%20are%20the%20purest%20race%20of%20people.html
Octopole said
At least be smart enough to go through your own links before sending them. Here’s a Naga woman from your link. Does she look Negroid to you? If you think she bears a resemblance to you, then you need glasses not to mention a brain. And I’ve seen the Ajanta caves in person so you can’t fool me there either. Your third link is an Afrocentric nonsense website.
Here’s a link to a genetic study. Look carefully as to which populations the Nagas cluster with – surprise, surpise – the Chinese.
Click to access 2009_Nature_Reich_India.pdf
So stop giving me this Clyde Winters, Runoko Rashidi garbage and try to find some history in your own backyard.
Octopole said
Here’s a little more education for you.
1. You’re no king.
2. There are only one group of Naga people. Stop telling us about our own people. We know them better than you.
3. Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Tulu and Malayalam are not Dalits you idiot. They’re languages and I speak a couple of them myself. Here’s a Tulu woman for you to admire.
http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/1920311/aishwarya-rai-spring-fever-cannes-02/
And here’s a Tamil woman:
http://www.india-forums.com/celebrity/224/hema-malini/gallery/pictures/19974-hema-malini.htm
Here’s a Malayalee guy:
http://www.fearnet.com/news/news-article/m-night-shyamalan-has-series-development-fox
Here’s a Tamil guy:
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2010/11/covert-affairs-sendhil-ramamurthy-psa-will-you-pledge-to-take-a-stand-against-hate.html
Do they look more like your relatives or mine?
And before you open your big, fat mouth, learn what an Alu sequence is. Instead of spending your time on Afrocentric garbage, learn real science; otherwise, you just look ike the idiot that you are.
I gave you the definitive genetic study on the Indian population. All you can respond with are afrocentric nonsense.
zbohajheru said
Look here you ignorant white euro roman actoass research has been redifined concerning the first major explorations out of Africa around the world. Your just a jealous white boy. I teach at a university what do you do for a living? Im also working on PA degree. So that means Ive taken Bio I and II Chem I, etc. White people are not noted in history for migrating into India in pre ancient or any period prior. Take it like a man. The dark people of India are a extension of Africa you will not change my mind or historical facts. I really dont care what you think! Basically the Moores brought Europeans out of the dark ages. You are beyond stupid saying there were no major migrations out of Africa. Plus we have oldest known skeletons with modern features. I guess that s a L I E. People like you need to be slapped in their head.
Octopole said
You teach at a University? That explains why our education system is failing. You can thank Affirmative action for that. No Asian would be able to get anywhere near a University with your command of knowledge or should I say, lack thereof.
Listen idiot, firstly, I’m no man and certainly not white. Second, I come from a family of Doctors and Physicists. Thirdly, here’s another lesson for you. Genetic distance between you and the dark South Indians is .33, genetic distance between you and Iranians is .21. You do the Math. Percent of Negroid DNA in Indians is a grand total of ZERO. And get rid of that strawman argument. No one’s disputing the Out of African theory. The point is that you are not any more related to an Indian than you are to a Chinese or Japanese. You are equally separated from pretty much all non Africans with the exception of those that are geographically close to Africa. And the white people you so like to defame are closer to you genetically than any Indian. You’re just another Afrocentric idiot who’s ashamed of your own history and wants to feel good by stealing other people’s history.
Sniper said
I found one thing in this website. All your allegations are baseless. You have no proof of these events and I noticed that all dalits have inferiority complex.
Sniper said
when archeologists stdied the skeletions of the harrappan people the found traces of radioactivity in the remains. Now don’t accuse brahamins of bombing Harappa.
manisekhar said
madhigamunda brahmins invented zero with out which world is nothing if dalits such a talent why reservation
manisekhar said
madhiga=dalit 60 years reservation u increased pig population forward cast should cut your reproductive organ heil brahmins and heil forward cast
ecosoc said
P.S: Periyar was great because he swam against the tide
prasanth said
First of all i clear that i m from a orthodox family….upto my Knowledge i Will comment some views….Well absolutely THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION were dravidians…my point of view is it should be existed wen all the continents were existed as one continent called “PANGEA”…before that THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION should be existed…surely Tamil will be their Language…but the main disadvantage is that Tamil didn’t have their written scriptures…..after that Aryans invaded Bharatha varsha(India’s pre Name) from central asia nd europe….but there is no proof of aryans completely Devastated the civilization….The Varnasara Dharma made by Aryans were surely a bad.. one…but the information in Vedas was fantastic and all the informations were scientifically proved….Now the History is past…what happens today is many brahmins understood their wrong,but wat about other caste…..nobody can interrupt that padayachi people’s are tapping the level of adi dravidarsis this correct….i m not supporting brahmins…I m talking about present Issues…what the answer from Mr.T.V.Rajasekhar
Manjunath M Nanjundaiah said
Long before there was a noble region in south east asia which attracted few destined africans at around 65000 years ago. In there was a different peoples of contrast skin (in-humans call ‘race’) because of where they lived. The south of that region had more humid condition helped to keep the original melanin of human kind which is the pure essence. There was a region in north west of that sanctity bestowed with 7 rivers of life and matriarch of them called ‘saraswathi’. Enlightenment was the prize for few who made of pious and they called themselves ‘arya'(noble). Now, who can see the color of there skin with enchanted eager of hate in the blood which of only ‘red’ in mind and of political wet dreams of despising and dividing people by region and language. The bloody ancestors of this region of idea at god known dark age with the filth of selfish motive made ‘kali’ for long haul in work created that demon called ‘caste’. Today as i stand here reading this filth of hate, i condemn my so called caste and my ancestors. I cant bear this land being rouged once again by this brutes who are the same as what was there counter-parts were at that dark time with LIMITED KNOWLEDGE with more egos and bundle of selfishness to keep the region divided. Oh! SARASWATHI these land being robbed again and again by this VARNA -BRAHMANA(not a caste) without renunciation of passion, selfishness and arrogance, goddess kindly give the knowledge of pureness here to the soul of ‘ARYAVRATA’. Can you see your children s being HATERS OF WHAT WE WERE AND NEED TO BE. The agenda of the artificial skinned should not be the last laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????
vivek said
Let me ask u a Question if Brahmins had destroyed the Indus valley ..how can they create Vedas,how can they write Upanishads…There is no doubt that Britishers filled ears Between us
because they were jealous because Indian Rishi munis were More intelligent them for example –
Bhaskarcharya(Said about Gravity and also Equation before 500 years of Newton)
Aryabhatta( developed trigonometry about 80% not like that those of Greeks who stole it from Egyptians) …
Just Google — Macaulay letter India ( They also destroyed Our ancient education system)
Indus valley was destroyed by Europeans of Portugal,Britainand many.
Maxmuller rewrote the history and write that brahmins destroyed Indus valley and also eats Cow…how can this possible?
Even now no Hindu or muslim or south Indian eats cow…..how can they eat before ?
“This paper rewrites history… there is no north-south divide,” Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said at a press conference here on Thursday.
Chanakya was great – he said that a Women is pure and great…but the western Philosopher like Arastu said that Women is like cloth which cannot be were for the lifetime and she is use and throw…..
One more thing ..i must remind u that upto 1950 ..the sayings of womens in the court was not helded in high manner ..Because of there western philosophy
Siv said
Bitchess u guys don’t even no India all are stupids of aryans came to India but did not drove they came as refugee but we accepted them adopted something useful from them therefore creating a unique religion called Hinduism but the are is another religion which has greatest than Hinduism that right Buddhism found by a Hindu prince …so and so but the concept of arya and Dravidian was found by Europeans and claimed aryans were superior bcos both were of same color and taking this my brothers here fighting like anything and not to mention bitch politicians who making use name of race and since most North Indian who are in central govt thinks they are aryan trying to suppress Dravidian pride indirectly supperiding Indian glory I still weep for ma country but Brahmins did do some crime to this country but u should not that all Brahmins or not aryan reason the trading of Havana was attributed to Dravidians than aryans so now say who created caste u won’t to blame some one for downfall of our country blame Greeks ,Muslims Europeans but don’t forget they introduced some new culture to our country prod to say we are one of the unique culture in the world with all culture Japan becam just a decade before but we ? That’s why I say I am Indian not an Dravidian long live ma country long live Gandhi long live periya long livethiruvalluvar long live subash chandra Bose jai!!!hind!!! Bharataha Thai valaga
A proud India from tamilnadu
vivek said
Let me ask u a Question if Brahmins had destroyed the Indus valley ..how can they create Vedas,how can they write Upanishads…There is no doubt that Britishers filled ears Between us
because they were jealous because Indian Rishi munis were More intelligent them for example –
Bhaskarcharya(Said about Gravity and also Equation before 500 years of Newton)
Aryabhatta( developed trigonometry about 80% not like that those of Greeks who stole it from Egyptians) …
Just Google — Macaulay letter India ( They also destroyed Our ancient education system)
Indus valley was destroyed by Europeans of Portugal,Britainand many.
Maxmuller rewrote the history and write that brahmins destroyed Indus valley and also eats Cow…how can this possible?
Even now no Hindu or muslim or south Indian eats cow…..how can they eat before ?
“This paper rewrites history… there is no north-south divide,” Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said at a press conference here on Thursday.
jimi said
I truthfully dont understand why you argue with the satanic dmanisi’s. Look at what this so called gothic white thrash did to his own people i mean children. What about China China man one your clansmen went stabbed ova 20 children. Oh yeah concerning homosexuality which is now a trend evolving from Greece and Lesbos island. I could go on and what about the f-up in Oregon! These actions I mean behaiors did not just start they havbeen occuring althrough ancient history these are demons. Stealing religious doctrines, burning libraries and lenothing good has or will ever come from these demons. They are so proud and lofty with the recent technology that is causing cancers, genome defects, and various otha deseases. Vedas come from the north demons try ton o convince themselves and others they are rightous. All religions and people came from out of east Africa. Sit Demon u and your ancestors will burn in a family fire.
Octopole said
No they don’t. Indian religious philosophy originated in India. Stop trying to steal other people’s culture and religion.
zbohajheru said
If you do your research the divinity created two major influental tribes in Africa. One that significant importance was the tribe known as the Amharic which is located in Ethiopia. These were the originators of the Sanskrit language being the history and artifacts in recent studies range from 7 to 2 mill and bones from 200,000 bc to 35,000bc. Furthermore the underground engineering designs beneath the surface cannot be compared to none other except so called indigenous tribes in south America. To be more specific why is a identical sanskrit language found in Africa and India? I know it hard to except but the Brahmins did not originate the rig vedas if the history of the Amharic is older. It is quite clear how the whites in America stole many ideas and inventions from the blacks or dalits in America. At times they choose to rape and murder dalits nagas mons nubians. In India I have read about Brahmins and other tribes in India murdering and raping Dalits at an excessive rate in recent times! To say u are peaceful and take credit for what the black people taught you shows you have no honor. Why all of a sudden would a material warlike tribe of people from an elite class decide all of a sudden to get rid of there material possessions. This was a learned behavior. Pertaining to the Nagas who migrated into India in Ancient antiquty there ethnicty is also negroid. The nagas were the serpent race noted for being able to activate their chakras something the racially biased brahmins also took credit for. Watch them as they migrated into ankor wats notty headed tufts of hair. Look at the engineerings of that hydraulic city? Jealousy? Are you blind or stupid possibly both black have sailing the earth and trading since 11000 bc go do your research. I am your teacher king the black krishna, Ajanta, Ashoka, Sambho. The truth is we are the superior race you can find stone effigies of us all over the world my ancestors left them here for us to shame you! Finally look at what your pale euro brother did to those children in conneticut thats your history demon stealing and murdering.
Octopole said
Just more Afrocentric nonsense from you. There are no Negroids in India. Nagas are Mongoloids. Your history is in Africa so stop appropriating other people’s religion, history and culture to you. And learn some basics in genetics.
zbohajheru said
Dumb ass i feel sorry fi ya mutha. Lololol nagas have knotty hair you ass fuc. They are found all ova d world. They are also known as mons. I will continue to make u look stupid
Octopole said
There is no Sanskrit in Africa. African languages are part of the Afro-Asiatic family whereas Sanskrit is part of Indo-European languages. Many of the Dalits in India are Indo-European. Read this genetic study on the North Indian Dalits and weep.
European Roma descended from Indian ‘untouchables’, genetic study shows
Roma gypsies in Britain and Europe are descended from “dalits” or low caste “untouchables” who migrated from the Indian sub-continent 1,400 years ago, a genetic study has suggested.
Gypsies have long believed they have origins in India, citing common Sanskrit words in their languages and photographs of darker-skinned ancestors in South Asian clothes, while earlier research has offered some scientific support for their suspicions
Now a study led by Indian and Estonian academics, including Dr Toomas Kivisild of Cambridge University, has confirmed their origins in the Indian sub-continent, and even identified the location and social background from which they emerged.
The findings have been welcomed by Britain’s Gypsy Council, which said it would help to promote understanding of Roma people throughout Europe. “We are Britain’s first Non-Resident Indian community,” said council spokesman Joseph Jones.
The study, which was published this month in the journal Nature, examined Y chromosomes in DNA samples to compare the genetic signatures of European Roma men with those of thousands of Indians from throughout the sub-continent.
Scientists from Hyderabad’s Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology collaborated with colleagues in Estonia and Switzerland to compare more than 10,000 samples, including from members of 214 different Indian ethnic groups. They were analysed to match a South Asian Y chromosome type known as “haplogroup H1a1a-M82”, which passes down male bloodlines, with samples from Roma men in Europe
While there were matches with samples from men throughout the Indian sub-continent, the closest match and the least genetic variation occurred with those from north-west India
When the researchers overlaid the closest matches onto a genetic map of India, the highest density was in areas dominated by India’s “doma”, “scheduled tribes and castes” – the low caste dalits or untouchables who suffer widespread and generational discrimination and usually do society’s dirtiest jobs.
The researchers believe the descendants of today’s Roma gypsies in Europe began their westward exodus first to fight in wars in what is today Punjab between 1001 and 1026 on the promise of a promotion in caste status.
Later, they left to flee the fall of Hindu kingdoms in what is today Pakistan, with many setting off from near Gilgit.
The exodus to North Africa and Europe suggested they may have been early refugees from the spread of Islam into the Indian sub-continent. Dr Kivisild said the study had provided “evidence for the further interpretation of history of what kind of processes were triggerimg these movements
Gypsy groups in Britain trace their own roots back first to Egypt – where they believe the name “gypsy” comes from – and beyond that to India. Joseph Jones of the Gypsy Council said early photographs show British gypsies with Indian facial features and styles of dress until 100 years ago.
He said the new study was helpful because it had scientifically confirmed the Indian origin of Britain and Europe’s Roma community and that their common heritage should be accepted now by newer Indian communities in Britain. “We’re not outcasts here. I don’t care if we are associated with dalits – I don’t live in a community where caste exists. I do feel a bit Indian, I’ve always felt an affinity with Indians,” he said.
Gypsies were first noticed in Britain in around 1500 and acquired a reputation as itinerant craftsmen, traders and horse dealers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl…udy-shows.html
Now Dumbass put up or shut up. Post studies from reputable geneticists that show Indians are Negroid.
zbohajheru said
If you look at the pharoahs from EGYPT and lord Shiva they both have Cobras not snakes on their heads snake mounds in America so huge they can only seen by planes. The nagas are known as the serpent race. I kno it hurts!
chandan said
For hundreds of years, the Harrapan Civilization thrived in what is today northern India, Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan. From ca. 2600-1900 B.C.E, the cities of Harrapa and Mohenjo-Daru, along with thousands of smaller towns, developed into a society that became as sophisticated, and in some ways even more so, than their western neighbors in Sumeria, Syria and Egypt.
The Aryan Invasion Theory
Unlike these corresponding western cultures, around 1900 B.C.E. the Harrapan Civilization disintegrated. Great cities emptied, and the people disbursed into isolated towns, or they simply moved further east to merge with the cultures in the Ganges region. Scholars have begun to reject old theories that an invasion of the Aryans into the subcontinent was the cause of this dispersal.
There is currently no historical or archaeological record which shows that the Aryan people ever invaded the region. A violent end of the Harrapan culture would presumably have left some remains of the conflict in the region but, as yet, nothing has been found. Instead, there is reason to believe that the people of the Indus-Saraswati Valley were largely peaceful and relied upon river-born commerce to maintain their way of life.
The Evidence Of Natural Disaster
The written record left by the Harrapans breaks off dramatically as the culture neared its end. This ancient language is as yet not deciphered, so it is impossible to know exactly why its use diminished as the society fell apart. In other cultures, the decline in the use of writing and in record keeping has often been seen as a sign of a series of prolonged natural disasters.
The most common held theory used to explain the decline of the Harrapan culture is that climatic changes lead to a long term drought. This environmental disaster, coupled with repeated floods that devastated the arable land, would have been followed by famine and pestilence. The result would have been a natural migration of many people out of the region. This would explain the steady decline in the use of writing and trading seals, as well as the increasing isolation of those population centers that remained.
The Possibility Of An Ancient Tsunami
In C.E. 2001, on India’s Republic Day, a massive earthquake devastated the Kutch region. Based on the evidence gathered from studying this earthquake, some geophysicists have begun to theorize that such a disaster could have been responsible for the end of Harrapan civilization. This theory is based upon the premise that a massive wave could have reached inland, traveling up the Indus and Saraswati Rivers simultaneously. This massive inundation would have flooded the area, as well as shifted the course of the Saraswati so much so that it eventually dried up completely. Any survivors of such a disaster would have had little choice but to abandon much of the devastated region and its now isolated communities.
The Saraswati River Runs Dry
However, some of the circumstances surrounding the fall of this ancient culture are no longer entirely reliant on theory. The geological record does show that the Saraswati River, one of the main arteries of trade for the Harrapans, dried up completely sometime during the early 20th century B.C.E.
Regardless of the cause, this change in the local geography would have been enough, in itself, to cripple the river based society since it was the rivers, and the barge traffic that used them as trade routes, which united the thousands of towns and cities. Commerce would have gradually ground to a halt as ports became inaccessible, and new methods of surviving, including evacuating the area, would have become necessary.
If, following any of these disasters, the surviving people moved east in large numbers, as has been suggested, then they must also have developed new artistic styles for their pottery and other wares. By doing this, and by adopting other customs found in the lands they settled, the Harrapan people managed to blend in so completely with neighboring societies that their culture vanished from history.
Sources:
Sardesai, D.R. India: The Definitive History,(Westview Press, Boulder, 2008.)
Copyright Robert McRoberts
Ajaz Rehman said
‘THE’ Definitive History says it all.
One cannot stick to intractable assertions of path dependency without accounting for (repeated) contemporary political, cultural problems and manifestations.
A Modi’s task is clear cut- repress the shit out of dissidence, then the suraj of one’s own assertions (alone) can shine_ a process repeated through much of history, not just Manusmriti
cunnin_g bra Man said
India can not progress until there are bra man in India.
Raja Rajan said
Surely I am greatly blessed to go through this wonderful website . At last God the Creator everything Himself has decided to wipe out the Cruelest and Ugliest Brahminism from this Holy Land India . On behalf of Brahmins ,who is going to beg for pardon for all their inhuman atrocities in the Indian Indian History ?? . “TRUTH ALONE WILL TRIUMPH .” Of course Time has come for God to Prove His Strength against the Evil .
Octopole said
Is that why your country looks more and more like a toilet everyday? Brahmins are not your problem; your stupidity is.
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raju said
Until unless we are not aware of our self every one try to guide or cheat.
whether they are Brahmins Britishers or our present politicians…it is a law. so gain knowledge to deal with society and be conscious about your own mind.
indian said
ppl…meaning of arya in Sanskrit is ‘Nobel man’ the meaning is miss interpreted arya as a rays in Indo aryan migration theory…this theory miss led the ppl making Dravidian as a different rays…dividing them in caste and highlighting one group as aryan and another as Dravidian…
if u look at the logic…ravana is a brahmin….and Rama is also a brahmin as both descend from lord brahma…by meaning any one is an aryan if he is a Nobel man…aryan is not rays ….ravana was an evil trying to take over other woman…hence he was killed by lord Rama…try to analyze the holy texts In right way….Indo aryan theory is fake Google for it…it was a British policy to divide us…
Rama is also a Dravidian…read this….
1)Ikshvaku as a race came out of “Manu Riksa” as
was mentioned in Gita Chapter 2 or 4 by Lord
Krishna , who gave the Vedic lessons to Manuriksa.
“Iksa” means sugar cane and Vak means speech.
Peruvians were ancient Purus. Kurus came after
Purus only. Riksa clan was from King Nahusha of
Nahustan. King Nahusha was biten to death by
serpents during the time of Agastya Rishi.
2)He is remembered in Hindu scriptures as a
righteous and glorious king. In some versions, he
is the son of Vaivasvata Manu (formerly the
Emperor Satyavrata of Dravida), one of the two
central characters along with the Lord Matsya
incarnation of Lord Vishnu in the Matsya Purana.
He is born to Manu after the deluge which sends
the King’s ship to the top of the Malaya Mountains
in the Dravida country.
3)In Hindu mythology, Satyavrata, Sraddhadeva
Manu or Vaivasvata Manu ( Sanskrit: वैवस्वत मनु) is
one of the 14 Manus , and the son of Vivasvat ,
hence his other name Vaivasvata Manu. [1] He is
considered the progenitor of the current
Manvantara, which is the 7th of the 14 that make
up the current Kalpa , each Kalpa making up a day
of Brahma.
Satyavrata was born to Saranya and Vivasvan
and was the King of Dravida during the epoch of
the Matsya Purana. Vaivasvata Manu’ once caught
a talking fish who begged him to rescue it. The
fish claimed a Great Flood was coming and it
would wash away all living things. Vaivasvata
Manu ”” put the fish in a pot, and then, as it grew
larger, into a tank, a lake and then the ocean .
While in the ocean, the fish told Vaivasvata ‘Manu
to build a boat. He did so and when the flood
arrived, the fish (actually Matsya) towed the ship
by a cable attached to his horn .
He married Shraddha and had ten children
including Ila and Ikshvaku , the progenitors of the
Lunar Dynasty and Solar Dynasty respectively.
4)Lineage details below as per the Valmiki
Ramayana
1. Lord Brahma
2. Marichi (son of Brahma)
3. Sage Kashyapa (son of Marichi)
4. Vivasvan (Surya) (son of Sage Kashyapa)
5. Manu (Vaivasvatha) (Father of humanity)
6. Ikshvaku (Manu’s son)
7. Gushi (son of Ikshvaku)
8. Vigushi (son of Gushi)
9. Baana (son of ViGushi)
10. Anaranya (son of Baanan)
11. Brithu (son of Anaranyan)
12. Trisanku (son of Brithu) – he got his own
heaven with the help of sage vishwamithra
13. Thundhumaaran
14. Yuvanaswa
15. Maandhatha
16. Susanthi
17. Dhuruvasanthi and Prasanejith
18. Bharatha (son of Dhuruvasanthi)
19. Asitha
20. Sagara
21. Asamanja
22. Amsumaa
23. Dileepa
24. Bagiratha (He brought Ganges to Earth from
Devaloka and so Ganga another name Bagirathi)
25. Kaguthstha
26. Raghu
27. Pravritha a.k.a. Kalmasha-paatha
28. Sangana
29. Sudharshana
30. Agnivarna
31. Seekraga
32. Maru
33. Prachuchrugana
34. Ambarisa
35. Nahusha
36. Yayati
37. Naabaaga
38. Ajan
39. Dasaratha
40. Rama
41. Luv and Kush (Sons of Rama and Sita)
I dont know why ppl still fight based on stupid aryan theory..aryan is not a rays..Rama is a universal god
sunal said
Your article is antiquated. Caste system aside. Genetics have proven that the people of the Indus valley civilisation and the Vedic cultures are on in the same. We have all, north or south been in India for several thousands of years and probably came out of Africa has as one people that slowly travelled north and south tens of thousands of years ago. One developing closer to Nepal and one in the south. Long before we first domesticated animals or invented the whee.
sagarjee said
how can you tell that brahmans destroyed our culture? In fact only brahmans developed in culture. The credit goes to only brahmans for the development and civilization. My heart also started bleeding when i read your comment. Think before using words.
hobbyie said
Ravana is the great grandson of Brahma. By the way, everyone on earth at the present Kalpa comes from present Brahma. Brahma is not a single person. It is a title like a president. Rama was black. There was no Aryan dravidian division in very ancient times.
Aryan invasion theory is based on battle of 10 kings. King Suda’s side was lead by sage Vasishta and the other kings (some of them from persian side) was lead by sage Vishwamitra. Both sides were under sages from same school of thought. Problem with AIT is King Sudas of Indian side won and crossed over to west LOL. the movie LOTR is loosely based on this story. Vasishta and Vishwamitra are like Gandalf and Saruman. Devas are like Elf’s. King sudas won with the help of Devas. This could be why Devas became bad guys in zoroastrianism.
Don’t forget when Ravana died, his wife mourned O Aryaputraaa.
Asura’s are half brothers of Devas. Ironically the current Manu Vaivasvata who is associated with the notorious Manusmiriti was a south Indian king LOL.
British made up the Dravidian aryan theory because they were once called Mleccha and they wanted to become the aryan. Aryan was the term used to denote who followed vedic tradition. dravidian was a term to denote direction south. There was no race called Aryan huh.
Descendants of many Brahma’s sons were known under different names. Those from Brahma’s son Manu were called Manavas. Those from Kashyapa and Diti were called Daityas. Those freom Danu and Kashyapa were called Danavas. There are many other groups like that. They are all from Brahma.
hobbyie said
Just like muslims fight each other in middle east, people who are in control of resources make divisions among people to make it easy for them to control the resources. That is the main purpose of religion. LOL
Sharad Kumar said
The breaking india…..By rajeeev Malhotra is answer of all this bullshit..
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For god’s shake and for the shake of the nation…..Unite Unite
And !@#$ this castism whomsoever is responsible but it must be end now….
neemkapaudha said
simple question why in south both lower cast and upper cast are dravids ..
Saurav Bhasin said
Just take a DNA sample from a person from Tamil Nadu, A Brahmin from probably Uttar Pradesh and probably a DNA from a Khatri — you will see that India has effectively 3 races which have mixed and counter-mixed at different periods of time in Indian history.
Of course I am excluding those folks from NE India – they are Mongoloids.
Adios
M. P Mishra said
We should not fightover trifle issues as no one knows the truth.
M. P Mishra said
Indian history is highly complex, written mostly in twisted ways and with biased minds by the foreign invaders.since when the worms of politics have crept into our age old social harmony, the entire atmosphere has become poisonous. we are quarelling over imaginative mythological stories.every cast is seeking its history and Kingdom in remote past. Some so called intelligentsia are manipulating the truth.they have brainwashed minds. No one knows the truth but these egoistics claim as if they know everything.I am tired of far fetched hypothesis we must make our mind to look for social harmony and integration.
sanchayansarkar said
I have conducted extensive research on this topic . The argument is completely baseless and there is no evidence , scientific or archaeological, that can support it . The culture of Indus Valley is similar to Hinduism than any other culture. Worship of rivers, glorification of the bull , etc. These also extensive roots in the Vedas. I agree with the social problems of India but it has been created with the distortion of the varna system . If the Aryans were so called conquerors and great fighters , why din’t they ever expand outside India ? It’s strange . Isn’t it ? That a bloodthirsty group never expanded? .
A K Christ said
It may be true? What do you want? You want isolated country from Indian according to your % of people(dalits). If you are in unity, Christian & christian country like UK, USA, France, Australia & Pakistan can pressurize to India for separating the new country for dalits. I can guide you how it be possible? But for it you will have to pay me my guidance fee & money. Without money I can’t help you.
sandeep said
Sir, I think the bhramins are those community who are available in this univers for kind of the people as well as creatures ,how can you say that they destroyed any upper given community…can you give any reason which make me satisfy that you have correct information about the bhramins.acording to me the bhramins are founder of the universe
Suvankar dey said
Beggars,stop claiming our culture,
Sharma said
Get the fuck off,,a true brahmin never had never has and never would rape anyone.I’m brahmin but im not trying to support that merely based on what I’m born.True Brahmins who are not rapists im talking about them,they may have done some wrong things in past which include they were wise (wisdom is brahmins)advisors for the kings,and kinds were heartless mughals and other hindu kings we all know that they were cruel people they were the ones who had armies who raped not the brahmins,you can’t blame the only brahmin race responsible for rapes,,rapes actually originated from European British emporers like Alexander who invaded and did all the shit things with innocent civilization he was ruthless leader,,even British know that themselves, ,read some fucking history,,real brahmins are only advisors and strategy planners for battles(yeah it was there work ,,maybe they had worked for some bastard rulers who were kings back then like mughals or brits and not only that…….even Asians know how fucked up mughal emporers were in past ,mughals were also true rapists ever heard a fucking name of Genghis khan?read his fucking geograpghy history how he was born and his army captured the entire fucking asians and their women.he fucked whole mangolians chinese and russians in present.get fucked.you blame brahmins?motherfucker don’t you have any idea to make wise outcome from the present situation of brahmins?no fucking tell me ,,how many brahmins at present are getting married? Not only in overseas they are getting miserably pathetic even to marry in their own race.In India Indian brahmin girls are so much brainwashed that they are getting fucked with other races then brahmin bous themselves.And present situation is that,they are either forced to move out of countries to other shitty countries which are already populated and captured dominated for years by mughals and Christians coz they are ruthless everyone knows they are converters which they have learnt from mughals.Or otherwise you can go to kumbh mela and see how many brahmins in varansi area and others are unmarried living lives of “babas and spirituality and shit”.Brahmins of present are most fucked up race and only mughals and Christians are responsible for it.They have fucked budhdhist people too (similarly).fuck you all.And by the way dalits are Hindus too you are hindu yourself,,don’t talk shit about brahmins you’re race of brahmins yourself.you’re just brainwashed by British information.Don’t read the fake stories.They put it their on purpose.